#General deckbuilding Q&A and Short Discussion
wheat glen
Thoughts on that?
It's not meant to be cedh, or high power
Just a fun deck that can polymorph tokens
And have interactions
Well polymorph is more of a backup plan
The goal is ofc to make tokens and prowess to boost them and win
prime snow
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qaD5SuYAlEiHYvEZDDL-YA
inevitable betrayal isn't that good without cheating it out imo
oh wait
narset, i am silly
[[Ancestral Vision]] should be in here for the funsies
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Sorcery
Suspend 4—
(Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with four time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Target player draws three cards.
tribal jetty
Do you all think I could get away with removing [[Demonic Tutor]] for [[Diabolic Intent]] specifically in this deck? The only reason I'm considering this is because I'm kinda broke rn lol
graceful knot
Have you considered Grim? One more mana but no additional cost
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Sorcery
Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.
Spell mastery — If there are two or more instant and/or sorcery cards in your graveyard, add 
.
graceful knot
Or [[final parting]]
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tribal jetty
You could always run a cool tutor like [[dark petition]]
Five mana for a tutor is just begging for it to be countered, at that point
I think Intent is a good sacrifice since I still need to buy Dockside Extortionist, Ancient Copper Dragon, Deadly Rollick, Deflecting Swat, the shock lands for Mardu, AND Vampiric Tutor
rotund forge
What about [[Wishclaw Talisman]]
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Artifact
Wishclaw Talisman enters the battlefield with three wish counters on it.
, 
, Remove a wish counter from Wishclaw Talisman: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. An opponent gains control of Wishclaw Talisman. Activate only during your turn.
rotund forge
[[$wishclaw talisman]]
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royal pewter
if i was to play [[brimaz blight of oreskos]] as my commander and i used something like [[victimize]] to bring something back into play from the graveyard, would that trigger my commander?
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Cat
Whenever you cast a Phyrexian creature or artifact creature spell, incubate X, where X is that spell's mana value. (Create an Incubator token with X +1/+1 counters on it and "
: Transform this artifact." It transforms into a 0/0 Phyrexian artifact creature.)
At the beginning of each end step, if a Phyrexian died under your control this turn, proliferate.
3/4
royal pewter
in other words, would that count as casting the card
still hemlock
no
still hemlock
in other words, would that count as casting the card
victimize simply puts two things into play, casting usually has a cost or enabling effect and uses the stack
victimize still a good card when your commander makes tokens
royal pewter
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tME7A8S77kWFsnBkmLGwxQ
so far this is what ive got but im not sure if it gets enough use out of my commander and its effects
i also think i might need more lands
young patrol
I'm super excited to play [[Obsessive Astronomer]] and [[The Sound of Drums]] in zirda and needed to tell someone.
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature is goaded.
If enchanted creature would deal combat damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage instead.
: Return The Sound of Drums from your graveyard to your hand.
prime snow
[[Zirda]]
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for 
as a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
, : Target creature can't block this turn.
3/3
reef yacht
Need a quick bit of help to add Smothering Tithe to this deck
rotund forge
It looks like you got it?
reef yacht
I took out syr konrad but wanted feedback first.
spare marsh
is this where I would go to request some input on a couple cuts?
looking for 3-4 cuts from this, specifically for the cards in the "Considering" section (I say 3-4 despite there being 4 cards there as I don't want to buy a Phyrexian Dreadought just yet, and if that piques your interest in this hellish brew, I say good) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/XHwiqWpoeUSGG4amH0kYSw
rotund forge
Drivnod feels off with 5 dies triggers (if you get skullspore nexus in)
I guess it is an 8/3 though
spare marsh
I guess it is an 8/3 though
yeah it’s a weird one, being an 8/3 is why it’s in there but it could probably come out, I’d want it to come out for the Dreadnought though
rotund forge
Mm. Dreadnought with skullspore nexus is definitely hilarious.
I'm sorry I didn't sleep and then fell alseep.
spare marsh
Dreadnought is also 3 mana draw 12 if Shadowheart is out lol, I'll make a slot for it eventually
I think I'm at a pretty good mix of creatures and stuff so I guess looking at niche synergy pieces is how to do it? Chatterfang might be too cute...? Bootleggers' Stash might not be amazing since it's 6 mana do nothing?
wheat mango
I'd like three thematic (preferably cheap money wise) boardwipes for my zombies deck, suggestions are very welcome. 😄
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rg9NzVHaW0mjJPbhP4kzww
spare marsh
I'd like three thematic (preferably cheap money wise) boardwipes for my zombies ...
well here's one: Toxic Deluge is under $10 rn and one of the best boardwipes in the format full stop, probably at least a bit thematic too and a great pickup regardless
wheat mango
Looks like a really good one, but I'd prefer to stay under $3 per boardwipe 🙈
wheat mango
I added [[Crippling Fear]], [[Necromantic Selection]], and [[Decree of Pain]]
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Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Draw a card for each creature destroyed this way.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Decree of Pain, all creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
royal pewter
I'd like three thematic (preferably cheap money wise) boardwipes for my zombies ...
[[$Necrotic Hex]]
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royal pewter
[[Necrotic Hex]] There you go.
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wheat mango
Ah awesome, thanks
I probably even have that one, from the looks of it it's in the Grave Danger starter deck
I should look tonight
slate sluice
I've been tinkering with this deck since the doctor who precons came out and I think it's finally done and working as expected so I wanted to show it off because I haven't seen many River Song decks that try to actively use her second ability to kill people.
Because it's pretty hard to force people to scry, surveil and search. I also added alternate wincons with Niv Mizzet, Parun and The Locust God along with card draw support
royal pewter
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/SmzvMWHpokaZUKXJFSMEFw
does anybody have suggestions for this deck, i jut found out there was a shark with wings😂
slate sluice
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/SmzvMWHpokaZUKXJFSMEFw
does anybody have suggesti...
I would include cards that jumped the shark in MTG not sure which ones would fit though. The walking dead and stranger things are something that people consider to not fit with MTG
royal pewter
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/e7WenFTkf0W72MmR1GfhHw
i think this is my favorite vampire commander atm, markov is just to broken for me
Also does [[sanguine bond]] combo with [[blood tribute]]
royal pewter
[[sanguine bond]]
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spare marsh
looking for 3-4 cuts from this, specifically for the cards in the "Considering" ...
if anyone cares, I ended up dropping Blood Artist (don't need a 4th of this effect since I draw a ton of cards) for The Skullspore Nexus, Rampant Growth for Sakura-Tribe Elder (plays better with creature strategies), and Altar of Bhaal for The Great Henge (Altar always felt a bit slow and clunky, and it exiling a creature is notably worse than saccing since I don't find myself making a ton of creature tokens in testing, certainly not as many as I'd expected to when I put it in the deck in initial theorycrafting)
still gotta find a cut for Phyrexian Dreadnought but I think that is a task for future me when I decide to void my wallet to buy one :)
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glad geyser
Yeah it would have to be one of the two
rotund forge
they're literally the only two choices
glad geyser
Yeah lol
reef yacht
I got [[Tarrian’s Soulcleaver]] and I wanna add it to this deck.
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has vigilance.
Whenever another artifact or creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
Tarrian's holy weapon still holds a fragment of his dark power... and his hunger.
robust echo
#1186884581463445524 anyone 💌✨🎯
young patrol
Trying to retrofit Zirda to make all the good sun-themed cards spicy plays. Sunforger, Second Sunrise, the Celestus. There's not that much mechanical overlap but it feels so thematic.
tardy prawn
Zirda does synergize with Sunforger really well.
young patrol
It does! Unfortunately Second Sunrise is not an especially good protection spell to find with Sunforger since it must be cast after the stuff you're trying to protect have been destroyed.
Which means that if I'm going to Second Sunrise, I want some decent proactive uses for it which requires a mechanical realignment from all the flicker stuff I had already been lining up to do and will warrant looking at sac outlets.
I think Izzet Chemister comes back into the list...?
young patrol
Does Approach of the Second Sun have a salt score?
rotund forge
I would be shocked if it didn't. One sec
young patrol
I didn't see anything on the page for the card itself
young patrol
I would be shocked if it didn't. One sec
But same
rotund forge
1.28
You have to expand it out in table view.
Less salty than Doomsday but saltier than Ancient Copper Dragon
In comparison, Hushbringer has a 1.3
young patrol
[[hushbringer]]
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young patrol
Scrolling to it in the top 100 page helps to get my bearings for it. I don't think I'll end up running it but it's definitely thematic and the shell it would be going into would make the subgame trivial.
young patrol
While I absolutely love the boros shenanigans produced by Pulsemage Advocate + Mindclaw Shaman, I think I have to finally cut the latter (Zirda) at the very least to make space for actual on (mechanical) theme cards.
dire solar
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/btzy8jQ2LU-pChw6S2qMyw Looking for replacement/addition to search targets for fierce empath. Hoarding broodlord is really good, but I'm pretty low on woodland bellower.
spare marsh
[[Kogla Titan]] and [[Bane of Progress]] are my favorite fierce empath gets personally
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Legendary Creature — Ape
When Kogla, the Titan Ape enters the battlefield, it fights up to one target creature you don't control.
Whenever Kogla attacks, destroy target artifact or enchantment defending player controls.
: Return target Human you control to its owner's hand. Kogla gains indestructible until end of turn.
7/6
hidden oriole
how many draw spells is the recommended amount to put in a deck usually?
dire solar
Depends on the deck. Do you have a list? Value engines/Search effects are also good.
You don't need a lot of draw if you can get value in other ways.
hidden oriole
Just working on ratios for this deck, since sometimes it can brick
Especially without captain, so I’m looking at other ways to generate card advantage
dire solar
Looking right now. What is your budget like?
hidden oriole
I’d say 50 dollars, I can stretch it to a 100 maybe
dire solar
I got a few. Syphon Mind, Mystic Confluence, Hostile Negotiations, and Stinging Study are all One-Time draw. Notion Thief, Talion, the Kindly Lord, Sygg, River Cutthroat, Ghostly Pilferer and Verity Circle are all reusable forms of card advantage.
I would also add ponder and preordain for consistancy.
slate sluice
I was wondering if anyone could help me with my doctor who Saga deck ( Tom Bombadil)
I wanted have Gallifrey Stands as my wincon and actually be able to do it with 13 Doctors and not just changeling shenanigans.
It works fine but the mana base is sort of driving me crazy.
I've never built a five colour deck before and I struggled a lot with the manabase because of budget. I just wanted to use the lands I had, however I now have a lot of taplands and I tend to get flooded since I raised the land count from 36 to 39, while before I was stuck unable to cast spells due to not having enough mana or the wrong colours.
I mainly included the taplands because they're searchable with farseek, three visits and untamed wilds.
trim rock
[[Elven Chorus]]
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Enchantment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
"A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath!"
trim rock
I think this could be a great way to not only have some more top deck playmaking potential, but letting your creatures become mana dorks is excellent for mana-fixing.
Also if you do use taplands you should also add [[Spelunking]]
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trim rock
It replaces itself and makes all your taplands come into play untapped which is excellent for heavy colored decks.
@slate sluice
slate sluice
Those are great suggestions. Especially spelunking because I already have it and didn't realise how good it is in this deck @trim rock
trim rock
Glad to help!
charred sail
New to EDH.
Planning to build mono green elves as my first deck. What kinds of interaction should I look for? I don’t quite want to play solitaire.
Beast Within seems good but its just 1 card
reef yacht
Beast Within seems good but its just 1 card
Beast Within, Return to Nature, Krosan Grip, Fog, Naturalize to name a few
trim rock
[[Kenrith's Transformation]] [[Bushwack]] [[Contest of Claws]] @charred sail
charred sail
@trim rock thanx! Never seen contest. Seems like a very strong, if heavily situational card!
glad geyser
<@343572033910603787> thanx! Never seen contest. Seems like a very strong, if he...
It’s a very new card
charred sail
For me everything is new!
I last competed at around M13
is [[Legolas's Quick Reflexes]] a worthy inclusion into [[Marwyn, the Nurturer]] deck?
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever another Elf enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Marwyn, the Nurturer.
: Add an amount of equal to Marwyn's power.
Midwife to mothers and leader to all.
1/1
charred sail
It seems situational and is on a pricy side.
last wind
is [[Legolas's Quick Reflexes]] a worthy inclusion into [[Marwyn, the Nurturer]]...
I'd say if any deck is outright asking for LQR, Marwyn is it
It's an uncounterable ritual+removal spell that doubles as a counterspell vs spot removal. She's also going to be big enough that the reach can also matter. Cards insane, only thing going against it as said above is its price
charred sail
THX
I'm feeling so overwhelmed
Like they did print a bunch of cards over the past 10+ years
But also the resources nowadays are just wow
I got into a flgs today with my old binder
and figuring out the prices was so easy - we jsut looked up stuff online and bang bang bang a fair exchange was made in under a minute\
I'm very torn on [[Kamahl's Will]] as well. It's cmc is high but interaction is premium in mono-G? But it only works with non-indestructable creatures.
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vivid pulsar
I'm very torn on [[Kamahl's Will]] as well. It's cmc is high but interaction is ...
There’s a lot of great interaction in green these days, I don’t think that Kamahl’s Will is super good in most decks
vivid pulsar
Has anyone tried building Scam in commander? I'd love help if so.
hidden oriole
Is Vashta Nerada a good add for Ngathrod?
vivid pulsar
Is Vashta Nerada a good add for Ngathrod?
I've tested it there, and yes, it was great in longer games. A bit slow, to be sure, but relentless.
And reliable, unblockable damage from horrors is what the deck needs.
hidden oriole
yeah, I've noticed that. I've been running consistent mill sources to help ngathrod, but having evasive horrors definitely helps as well
hidden oriole
With regards to scam, what commanders have you been looking at?
round mist
Has anyone tried building Scam in commander? I'd love help if so.
I think there recently was an article on EDHrec where they built it using reanimate-spells, with H&K as commander
queen ivy
Has anyone tried building Scam in commander? I'd love help if so.
I’ve heard Brenard is cool for it, the evoke creatures die and come right back
daring nest
hello, can merfolk precon be upgraded to match power level 7-8 at my local LGS. I am new to magic but my group has all veteran players. They have high power level decks so I don't want to be a headache and make them switch decks when i come to play. Most of them don't have precons or something at my level so I figured I can make few changes. If that doesn't work, do I have to build a new deck with new commander etc?
graceful knot
Hakbal can very much keep up at higher level tables. It's a strong source of card advantage and board presence by itself, plus access to combos and strong typal staples.
daring nest
Hakbal can very much keep up at higher level tables. It's a strong source of car...
how would I go on the upgrade process? what cards are to change and what new cards would I buy? Is there a pre made moxfield list I can follow? I have seen $50 precon upgrade but not sure how relevant that is
queen ivy
I focused more on the +1/+1 counters and making cheap merfolk, I’ll send my list
I need to buy like 4 copies of [[Court of Garenbrig]], it’s so good
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queen ivy
It’s a luminarch aspirant that draws cards and doubles counters for 1 more mana
daring nest
I focused more on the +1/+1 counters and making cheap merfolk, I’ll send my list
what would you estimate the power level of this deck be
is it good enough to play at local lgs?
queen ivy
is it good enough to play at local lgs?
Yeah, 100%
I’d, in all seriousness, put this at like a 7-7.5
It has no fast mana and I believe no tutors, it can get up and go pretty quick but if it’s slowed down it doesn’t recover well
daring nest
what card would you add to recover from a board wipe for example
i was thinking wrap in vigor might work?
royal sail
[[silkguard]]?
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royal sail
oh that's just hexproof, thought it was indestructible too
daring nest
Those are the main ones
whats the win condition on your deck/how to win
daring nest
how does curse of swine work can i replace that with something else
graceful knot
Curse of the swine is reaaal nice tbf.
Mass targeted exile removal is superb for clearing problems for a combat deck
queen ivy
Yeah, that’s a holdover from the precon, you target x creatures and exile them, then each person makes a number of pigs equal to the number of creatures that were exiled from their board
It’s pretty great
queen ivy
[[Counterspell]]
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daring nest
ok
queen ivy
[[Abjure]]
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daring nest
@queen ivy 1 more question: boseiju any replacements? that card is also too expensive
queen ivy
I’d honestly just say to use a basic
daring nest
everything else i can do
queen ivy
I wouldn’t recommend going down on lands
daring nest
ok sounds good
queen ivy
Could do an mdfc like [[Bala he’d recovery]] or [[khalni ambush]]
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Instant
Target creature you control fights target creature you don't control. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
"The difference between life and death in Ora Ondar is about three seconds of startled screaming." —Raff Slugeater, goblin shortcutter
Khalni Territory
Land
Khalni Territory enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
"If you wander into the Khalni Garden without knowing the signs of a scythecat's territory, you're not going to live long enough to learn." —Raff Slugeater, goblin shortcutter
queen ivy
[[Bala recovery]]
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Sorcery
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
"Always have a backup plan." —Doral, Bala Ged guide
Bala Ged Sanctuary
Land
Bala Ged Sanctuary enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
"I know it's around here somewhere." —Doral, Bala Ged guide
daring nest
whats mdfc
daring nest
oh nice
queen ivy
Gimme a second, I’ll take a look at some other options
daring nest
no worries
queen ivy
[[Temple of Mystery]] is another good option
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Land
Temple of Mystery enters the battlefield tapped.
When Temple of Mystery enters the battlefield, scry 1.
: Add or .
daring nest
I have most of these cards with the precon, I would have to spend some money so I was just looking at what I have to buy
queen ivy
Especially for your exploring
daring nest
ok
queen ivy
I have most of these cards with the precon, I would have to spend some money so ...
Yeah feel free to @ me or reply to something and I’d be happy to offer more budget options
daring nest
ok
vivid pulsar
How many Swamps do you think you need to run before you decide to add [[Cabal Coffers]]?
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Land
, : Add for each Swamp you control.
Deep within the Cabal's vault, the Mirari pulsed like a dead sun—and its darkness radiated across Otaria.
reef yacht
I would say a Minimum of 25
If its monoblack
Otherwise, you’d need to have about 15 IMO to run it in a dual color deck
spare marsh
I’m on it with 10 basics + 1 shock + urborg = 12 in shadowheart, but that deck draws so many cards it’s easy to find both halves
I don’t necessarily believe in a minimum like that, just feel it out, if it feels right then do it
charred sail
Which one is better to try as a starter deck for a local cEDH circle
royal sail
Which one is better to try as a starter deck for a local cEDH circle
you might try joining the discord server for cedh marwyn, it looks like it’s linked on the first page
they’ll probably have more in-depth feedback
charred sail
Found it
vivid pulsar
Two decks:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/QHpZ5gE4E0O0j4rGHYUuxA
https://www.m...
I'm not a Marwyn expert, but the "cEDH Marwyn" one looks better to me.
They only vary by 10 nonbasic cards -- you could also hybridize the two.
I'd include something like this set
charred sail
Yes, I’m also trying to find place for [legolas quick reflexes]
vivid pulsar
Oh, were those two not playing it??
Yeah, that needs to have a slot
Cut any other untap effect tbh
It's the best one ever made
charred sail
I also cant find the card irl
charred sail
The more I goldfish Marwyn the more confused I get (－‸ლ)
vivid pulsar
The more I goldfish Marwyn the more confused I get (－‸ლ)
How so?
charred sail
Well, I’m new to commander in general. But that deck feels overwhelming a bit with all the different avenues towards a going infinite, be actually assembling a win.
What are even mulligan priorities?
shrewd kiln
https://archidekt.com/decks/6340214/spectrum
so I'm thinking of building the five-color deck, with as much 5-color-matters and general multicolor synergy as possible. biggest issue right now is mana: do I go Gates or 5-color basic land types? also, the deck got surprisingly cramped already and I'd like to see what I can remove
graceful knot
Well, I’m new to commander in general. But that deck feels overwhelming a bit wi...
Have you played other formats of magic before? Feels like jumping in at competitive level multiplayer might be like. The deepest end to jump in 😅
charred sail
Have you played other formats of magic before? Feels like jumping in at competit...
I was playing some standard before and I’ve played limited profitably back in the day. Way back in the day, some 15-20 years ago.
turbid turret
Really loving the idea of [[silas renn, seeker adept]] curious what other peoples preferred non Rograkh pairing was
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graceful knot
I play Silas/Ardenn, with a focus on equipment creatures and equipment with coloured mana costs to keep the deck varied from the usual voltron goodstuff.
I've gotten so much value from [[shard of glass]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may mill two cards.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
vivid pulsar
Really loving the idea of [[silas renn, seeker adept]] curious what other people...
I played against Silas/Akiri recently and it was a beating
turbid turret
im kinda thinking about ravos and just playing like mid rangey value esper
queen ivy
I’m not much a fan of Silas but if I was to use him, he’d be great with a lot of equipment commanders, but artifact creatures could be really cool
sterile mantle
Same for me but i would probably go with Dargo in order to sac Ichor Wellspring and friends and recast em with Silas
opal roost
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/H6LDfYeiukeFy13oLGHJWA
any suggestions for this? rule is no card over 50 cents.
sterile mantle
Would add some Landfall cards, there are enough cheap ones. Rampaging baloths, [[geode rager]], [[primeval bounty]], [[retreat to kazandu]], [[akoum hellkite]]
sterile mantle
oh and the new evolving wilds land [[promising vein]] would probably work nicely
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Land — Cave
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice Promising Vein: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
United under the banner of the Brazen Coalition, pirates put aside their feuds to plunder the underground bounty.
round mist
Would add some Landfall cards, there are enough cheap ones. Rampaging baloths, [...
avenger of Zendikar, 2c Omnath, Lotus Cobra...
sterile mantle
avenger of Zendikar, 2c Omnath, Lotus Cobra...
Those are the best ones for sure, but i'm not sure how you can fit those into a "no card more than 50c" deck 😉
might require some creative accounting
round mist
Those are the best ones for sure, but i'm not sure how you can fit those into a ...
You would be surprised how cheap you can get some cards in foreign languages :p
sterile mantle
You would be surprised how cheap you can get some cards in foreign languages :p
As a proud owner of a chinese unwinding clock i am in fact not surprised 😅
Getting 12 italian cards might count as the aforementioned creative accounting
worn whale
i have a deckbuilding conundrum
i'm making a deck and my commander is 2 mana, how averse should i be to playing other cards at 2 mana?
currently i have 18 cards at 2 mana which feels like far too much especially when they're never going to get cast on curve
round mist
currently i have 18 cards at 2 mana which feels like far too much especially whe...
ignoring instants, card draw and sorcery-speed interaction, how many are left?
worn whale
9 ish
worn whale
down to like 7
round mist
down to like 7
cool. Those 7 are the ones that would be possible cuts, if you draw too many 2-drops, which I could see, with 18 overall
I wouldn't go much under 15 personally, but you need to see how it pans out
queen ivy
cool. Those 7 are the ones that would be possible cuts, if you draw too many 2-d...
Mana curves are a myth /s
This is a better example
round mist
Mana curves are a myth /s
that is why I personally prefer work with deckstats for everything but testing, as they have a better breakdown of the card types etc.
queen ivy
Moxfield does a pretty good job at breaking it down
sterile mantle
Hello friends, need some cuts (and recommendations ofc) for my Ayara (the new one) reanimator draft:
https://archidekt.com/decks/6366235/rakdos_ayara_reanimator
rotund forge
@queen ivy for the deck idea in the other channel [[kynaios and tiro]] exists and 4c covers a lot.
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
I’m sorry, I’m bouncing between like 3 servers rn in conversations, which deck idea was this again?
queen ivy
OH
RIGHT
I’m with you now
Yeah, that would definitely work
I don’t recall black having a lot of prominently LGBT people outside of Alesha
queen ivy
It was mostly a joke I think. But, still
I’m always down to entertain deck ideas. My problem lies in that im not completely familiar with the full list of LGBT people and ideas that lie in Magic’s lore
rotund forge
I don’t recall black having a lot of prominently LGBT people outside of Alesha
[[Parnesse]]
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
See, I wouldn’t have known that
rotund forge
She's married to [[Errant|SNC]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
Defender, haste
, : Copy target spell you control that wasn't cast. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Few know her face, but everyone knows her work.
0/3
rotund forge
Their wedding is the basis of one of the New Capenna stories
queen ivy
I c
Is there a decent wincon in this deck? I’m trying to think of some commonality between the cards we can take advantage of but all I really come up with is that they’re all creatures lol
rotund forge
These are the ones I can think of + small search. Several of them have multiple cards. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/KaP9NB7SPEaQKFf8yHTlDQ
Lands/Tokens
Are what stands out to me
queen ivy
We can definitely use different printing of the same character which can help
rotund forge
Tokens: Saheeli, Oviya, Adeline, Cadira, Huatli and Myrel
Oh, Alharu too on tokens
K&T, Erinis, Nissa, Huatli for lands
Some of them like Chandra and Nissa have so many versions >_>
queen ivy
Yeah, I feel like you could definitely lean on them if you had to
The phyrexianized Nissa is a banger too
Along with the new [[ascended animist]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Planeswalker — Nissa
Compleated (
can be paid with or 2 life. For each paid with life, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Create an X/X green Phyrexian Horror creature token, where X is Nissa, Ascended Animist's loyalty.
−1: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
−7: Until end of turn, creatures you control get +1/+1 for each Forest you control and gain trample.
Loyalty: 7
rotund forge
That was on the list
I bulked it out a bit.
I know [[Displaced Dinosaurs]] doesn't fit outside of the fact it makes nearly every permanent in it so far a 7/7
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
I think non-sapient creatures could be fine used sparingly
rotund forge
Pantlaza is Huatli's raptor, who's also on Heartbeat of Spring.
queen ivy
I think that’d be a fair include too
rotund forge
But yeah, Displaced Dinos, attack with Myrel, enjoy making 7/7 artifact soldier dinosaurs.
round mist
Hello friends, need some cuts (and recommendations ofc) for my Ayara (the new on...
I like what you did, but you could look into more 2-for 1- deals, like Junji, or Phyrexian delver. on the other side, you can probably a few of the beefy creatures, such as avatar of slaughter
sterile mantle
I like what you did, but you could look into more 2-for 1- deals, like Junji, or...
I do like junji, but could be risky if i can't sac him to anything. And i didnt add delver because i thought "thats just a free 3/2" but i didn't think about the fact that his reanimated creature stays on the field permanently
And yea i will have to cut one or two of the beefy bois, though i really don't want to
graceful knot
Junji is also a flying body that hits people fairly hard and is hard to block well/great to block with, I don't think I could complain about that
round mist
also, you can sac him to ayara's reffect
sterile mantle
Only on her frontside and i often find myself evaluating beaters on effective they are when reanimated with her backside. And if i can't sac Junji, it's just a mediocre attacker in the air
It might still be a correct include but i don't know if i got enough sac outlets
opal roost
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1kTECqiO8U-sEVJMB2Z3Yg
Amalia with Lurrus companion? Any suggestions?
vivid pulsar
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1kTECqiO8U-sEVJMB2Z3Yg
Amalia with Lurrus compan...
given the low curve, stuff like Ad Naus is your friend!
hidden oriole
Could run Welcoming Vampire or Tocasia’s Welcome for card draw? If you find yourself lacking there
queen ivy
Could run Welcoming Vampire or Tocasia’s Welcome for card draw? If you find your...
You cannot, [[Lurrus]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2
queen ivy
Welcoming and tocasia’s are both 3 mana
hidden oriole
Ohh, 😦 my bad my bad
round mist
Welcoming and tocasia’s are both 3 mana
there are some other options, the wellsprings for example, or some "eggs"
charred sail
Hi, guys!
My question is - with quite a low curve and low land count, isn't it better to take more lands instead of mana rocks?
casual commander, commander CMC is 3
neon dagger
Does anyone have a solid manabase for a 7/8 power level group hug deck?
I was looking at the different 3/4 color commanders that I could potentially use and I don't have all of the OG duals.
queen ivy
Hi, guys!
My question is - with quite a low curve and low land count, isn't it b...
Imo yes, hitting your lands every turn is more important
charred sail
and it's free
queen ivy
Does anyone have a solid manabase for a 7/8 power level group hug deck?
Check lands, bounce lands, tango lands (like [[Prairie stream]]), pain lands, pathways, triomes, and if you want to go a little higher on budget shocks and fetches are usually the best ones.
hollow latchBOT
Land — Plains Island
(: Add 
or .)
Prairie Stream enters the battlefield tapped unless you control two or more basic lands.
The continent of Ondu is a vast plateau crisscrossed by deep trenches and meandering rivers.
charred sail
Yup! I have a deck with a super low curve that runs zero ramp.
How low is you super low curve?
How many lands do you run?
Not even sol ring for ramp?
queen ivy
See picture, 35, yep. The colorless mana wasn’t very useful
I’d request a decklist before I prescribe anything concrete.
neon dagger
See picture, 35, yep. The colorless mana wasn’t very useful
Yeah, I was planning on building something like this : https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5535317#online
queen ivy
Something to also remember is that deck is built to draw 3+ extra cards a turn ideally
neon dagger
I have every shock and fetch thanks to Modern
I have Savannah because of my Enchantress edh deck
Trying to puzzle out the rest of the manabase
I'm assuming shave a land for Fellwar Stone?
Maybe checklands?
charred sail
I’d request a decklist before I prescribe anything concrete.
https://archidekt.com/decks/6406972
Spellslinger mid-budget Ghyrson Starn for casual.
queen ivy
Maybe checklands?
Check lands for sure. Your mana base is almost exclusively typed lands, so the check lands are perfect replacements for duals
charred sail
I'm very new to Commander, so I'm aiming for a "level 6" deck according to this definition:
queen ivy
I’d definitely say it’s about that level
I’d be personally more comfortable bumping that up to 35 lands and 10 ramp, but if it works for you then more power to ya
charred sail
I’d be personally more comfortable bumping that up to 35 lands and 10 ramp, but ...
Now you have me confused. Ramp in Izzet is only rocks as far as I can tell.
I was thinking about more lands instead of rocks, not more land & rocks.
queen ivy
I’m saying if you can I’d find cuts to get them there
But yes, if you have to choose one or the other I’d say cut rocks for lands
Also you’re missing at least one ramp source
charred sail
I'll do more goldfishing, but so far (~10 runs) total amount of mana seems sufficient.
queen ivy
[[Curse of opulence]]
hollow latchBOT
charred sail
I listed it under "protection", but its there.
queen ivy
I'll do more goldfishing, but so far (~10 runs) total amount of mana seems suffi...
And like I said, if it works it works! I know people who consistently run less than 30 lands cough @elfin moss cough
charred sail
A quick rules question, if I may?
queen ivy
Yeh
charred sail
Yep, thanks for the confirmation!
I'll try it as it is - going to flgs tomorrow. Goldfishing is nice, but doesn't replace actual games 🙂
neon dagger
If I posted my Anikthea Enchantress list could anyone here suggest what to trim for Demon of Fate's Design?
neon dagger
I'm trying to decide what to cut to potentially put in Imperial Seal as well as Demon of Fate's Design.
elfin moss
And like I said, if it works it works! I know people who consistently run less t...
running more than 33 lands in non-landfall decks give me hives yes
round mist
If I posted my Anikthea Enchantress list could anyone here suggest what to trim ...
it depends a bit on what you want to add. My immediate instinct would be to try out more card draw, so someting along the lines of Phyrexian Arena or Greed?
neon dagger
it depends a bit on what you want to add. My immediate instinct would be to try ...
I'm a slight bit worried about killing myself between Sylvan/Vampiric/Arena or Greed/Demon of Fate's Design tbh
When my deck kicks into gear it kicks into gear
Demon of Fate's Design in general should greatly accelerate my kills
Basically the majority of the deck leans towards midrange/having some wipers
But the rest goes towards dropping into my sledgehammers/kill cards
round mist
When my deck kicks into gear it kicks into gear
in that case, how about a [[resurgent belief]] or siimilar effect?
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
Suspend 2— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with two time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Return all enchantment cards from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Auras with nothing to enchant remain in your graveyard.)
neon dagger
Aaahhh Resurgent
I feel like I'd need more milling to make that work at full efficiency, maybe?
Or it could be a safety net.
round mist
if you want to make it work at full capacity yes, more milling.Plus, your commander sort of wants to do that, anyways, so it might be worth looking into
neon dagger
Not at all a bad card though
round mist
[[brilliant restoration]] is probably the most budget version of that effect to start with, plus NEO wasn't that long ago, so I bet your LGS still has a couple lying around
hollow latchBOT
neon dagger
Btw what's the average land count for a deck?
queen ivy
I usually go anywhere from 34-36
If it’s a landfall deck then I’d shove as many as you can in, max 43
neon dagger
34 to 36?
Interesting
What about decks with ramp pieces/rocks?
I'm still trying to understand the mana base philosophy behind EDH deck building
Modern & Pauper are entirely different
graceful knot
I've noticed that 36 almost always means I miss a land drop at some point. I tend towards 36-38 these days. The mana consistency is worth losing a card.
opal roost
I made a lot of changes to the list. Any more advice?
neon dagger
What cards are there for 1 to 3 mana that can put a card from Library into Graveyard?
I already have Entomb & Unmarked Grave
graceful knot
Technically the wrong mana value but there's always [[final parting]]
hollow latchBOT
opal roost
What cards are there for 1 to 3 mana that can put a card from Library into Grave...
Buried Alive
round mist
I normally go for 33 plus 1 for each colour that I play (so, monocoloured is running 34 etc.), and mana rocks rounding out to 40-45. Not counting MDCFs, and I normally have a low curve, so missed land drops don't hurt me that much
neon dagger
Buried Alive is close but dang, it's for creatures only eh
round mist
you could run [[gravebreaker lamia]] which costs more, but is an enchantment
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment Creature — Snake Lamia
Lifelink
When Gravebreaker Lamia enters the battlefield, search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
4/4
graceful knot
you could run [[gravebreaker lamia]] which costs more, but is an enchantment
It's lurrus companion
round mist
It's lurrus companion
oh, I thought that was for the Anikthea-deck
neon dagger
It is meant to be for my Anikthea deck
Gravebreaker Lamia is a decent high end
I can play it off of either Demon of Fate's Design
Or Entomb/Unmarked ->
Also works with copy effects
neon dagger
oh, I thought that was for the Anikthea-deck
Thanks, I think I found a winner! 🙂
graceful knot
Oh I'm confused then 😅
neon dagger
No problem!
But Gravebreaker is decent for what I'm looking to do.
It's able to be dropped for free off of Demon of Fate's Design
And it works with enchantment copying
I assume you thought I was playing Lurrus because of the mana value
WAIT
Lurrus let's me reuse my Entomb/Tutor cards/Unmarked
Lurrus might be a puzzle 🧩 that fits too!
Hhhmm low volume of 1-3cmc cards though
gentle quartz
What about decks with ramp pieces/rocks?
This is purely my personal metric
I start with 36 lands.
-1 per 3 rocks of any kind and/or direct land ramp that costs 3 or more
-1 per 2 ramps spells that cost 2 or less
+1 per 3 spells that costs 5-6
+1 per 2 spells that costs 7+
Minimum 34
I count all rocks the same, lesser than pure ramp because I see a lot of artifact destruction. The meta here is Austin doesnt tend to see much mass land destruction, so I value it higher
So, if I have Sol ring, arcane signet, and cultivate thats -1 land. Then I have natures lore and rampant growth, thats another -1 land. Etc.
turbid turret
how many shapeshifters y'all think is acceptable in an unsupported typal strategy before the gimmick loses its charm?
queen ivy
Infinite
I don’t think changelings take away from the theme
And anyone who says it does is being kinda ridiculous
Especially if it’s unsupported
round mist
I would set the limit at about 1/3, just to make sure whichever type it is gets enough screen time, but on a purely logistical level, Umaru is right
gray nest
If you've got more shape shifters than the actual type, that's not a whatever typal, it's a shape shifter typal deck
That's not a bad thing but yeah
queen ivy
Meh. Usually you’ll have all the best payoffs for that particular type you’re going for. That’s what sets changeling typal apart from whatever type you’re wanting
eager axle
To anyone: On average how much card draw do you tend to run in a deck? Low-Mid power level in mind.
graceful knot
Depends if I have other forms of advantage. Muldrotha/Carmen/Chainer have gy access for cards so I can afford to replace some draw with mill effects as those are still accessible cards to me.
Otherwise, I'll try to have at least one of my removal pieces go card neutral (think [[necromantic selection]] or [[deathsprout]] ) and then fill on somewhere between 8-15 sources of card draw depending if I have draw in the CZ.
Low power I tend to want more draw because each of my cards has lower impact by itself, so I need to see more of them in a game to have a worthwhile effect
sterile mantle
To anyone: On average how much card draw do you tend to run in a deck? Low-Mid p...
10 minimum if my commander doesn't draw by itself, but i usually try to hang around 12
queen ivy
I try to make as much overlap with my theme as possible but if I can’t do that I’d say about 12-15
opal roost
Can somebody look over this rough Anzrag Banding deck?
vivid pulsar
Can somebody look over this rough Anzrag Banding deck?
https://www.moxfield.com...
...oh, that is a hilarious idea (and name)
still hemlock
I'm a big fan of [[embercleave]] with Anzrag except when other people do it
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each attacking creature you control.
When Embercleave enters the battlefield, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip
royal sail
Can somebody look over this rough Anzrag Banding deck?
https://www.moxfield.com...
[[dolmen gate]] keeps your creatures alive, fogs keep everything alive so if you force blocks on anzrag you get continual attack trigger value
hollow latchBOT
charred sail
I need help picking a casual commander.
Has to be white/white+.
Has to do with artifacts.
Has to play slow, value game.
Budget is not essential.
Trying to get my dad into EDH, he used to play MTG way back in the day, brought me into it as well.
Talked to him last weekend, explained to him how the format worked, but so far he is very uncertain if he’d like it.
His only idea for commander from the days he played was [[Mageta, the Lion]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Spellshaper
, , Discard two cards: Destroy all creatures except for Mageta the Lion. Those creatures can't be regenerated.
In the jungle of war there is always a Lion.
3/3
charred sail
But I can’t figure out how to make this a good commander.
So I asked him what he feels he would like and we came up with the list above.
I also know he doesn’t like playing popular stuff, never liked it even in Standard, so I don’t think he’ll like Urza
round mist
I need help picking a casual commander.
Has to be white/white+.
Has to do with a...
I mean, there's Breya, Sharuum, Ardenn and Silas, Wyleth, as well as every white legendary cat that was ever printed
round mist
But I can’t figure out how to make this a good commander.
The game plan with this would likely be to cast a bunch of indestructible creatures and then win that way... but that seems miserable in a casual game
charred sail
The game plan with this would likely be to cast a bunch of indestructible creatu...
Agreed
Breya is too multi-coloured and too popular, I feel
Sharuum is interesting
He didn’t like partners idea
What about the legendary cats and artifacts?
Wyleth/other voltrons are more about going fast and taking people out, not about building up value, no?
round mist
What about the legendary cats and artifacts?
they work well together. Nazahn, both Kembas, Balan, Rakshah, from the top of my head
round mist
Wyleth/other voltrons are more about going fast and taking people out, not about...
true. But that's Boros for you
round mist
Yeesh... technically, Lurrus is also an option
Mono white has Oswald and Lita, and both of those seem fun
round mist
If we go ravnica guilds he’s azorius
Azorious actually has a number of good artifact commanders, if you are cross referencing EDHrec, for example
Tameshi and Belisarius seem like pure value and could be a good fit
charred sail
Looking at edhrec now
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV doesn’t do much with artifacts but seems very flexible overall.
round mist
yeah, Augustin is always an option... or Brago maybe?
charred sail
Brago implies attacking and connecting with it.
I feel he would prefer defense / preventing overs from winning while building value
But, yeah a lot of great options in Azorius
I have a lot to think about
Thank you!
eager axle
I feel he would prefer defense / preventing overs from winning while building va...
Arcades, the Strategist?
Also wouldn't recommend GA IV or Brago unless he wants to jump right into having a bad rep commander.
rotund forge
If you stay in mono-w there's also [[Teshar|dom]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
But, in terms of Mageta, indestructible creatures and/or planeswalkers would work.
rotund forge
Of course, because I can't sleep because of pain I've thought up a Mageta list finally. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PTE3T5htgkOQ078Z_9EGCQ
sterile mantle
I need help picking a casual commander.
Has to be white/white+.
Has to do with a...
[[Losheel, clockwork scholar]] fits all of those. You accrue value by playing artifact creatures, my deck is focused around producing an artifact creature token/blinking one artifact creature each turn to draw a few cards per turn cycle
hollow latchBOT
charred sail
Arcades, the Strategist?
Also wouldn't recommend GA IV or Brago unless he wants...
Oh wow! This seems neat! Very cool!
And yes, probably not looking for bad rep commanders.
However me with my whole dozen of games of EDH don't know much myself.
That's why I am asking!
charred sail
Of course, because I can't sleep because of pain I've thought up a Mageta list f...
I'll have a look at this properly after some sleep! Thank you!
charred sail
[[Losheel, clockwork scholar]] fits all of those. You accrue value by playing ar...
This sounds really cool, too!
I'll look into it with fresh head!
Wow-wow-wow, guys! Thank you so much for the feedback!
charred sail
A question - if i exile a card with [[Containment Construct]] can i still play it after the construct is dead?
hollow latchBOT
graceful knot
yes, as long as its the same turn it was exiled.
rotund forge
My thinking was with discarding 2 with mageta you could possibly least play a land by exiling it
You meaning the person piloting it since I know it's for your dad. ||And I am self-conscious knowing i may possibly am older than he is. It's an exciting time in my life.||
charred sail
My thinking was that Mageta is not going to be out early. As he is slow and expensive, the deck should be able to function without him and when punch with board-wipe with a twist - be it by making it one-side with protection or fast with haste or something.
I don't expect people to allow "wrath at will" to stick around for long.
rotund forge
Oh they absolutely won't. It's just a comander I've been thinking about for a while and happy to finally have a break in it
Are you trying to stay with older commanders?
Also, since we're talking about him having played in Prophecy, what was the last set he played?
THe list I made was also an attempt to be very budget conscious since he'd just be coming back to playing
I have a Sharuum deck fwiw. I don't know how he feels about playing combos, but it's the most common way I've seen her played.
How does he feel about the Baldur's Gate series?
vagrant stream
I'm planning a -1/-1 counter deck, and really want to go Jund if I can (so I can add scorpion god, but also the good golgari stuff), but I'm struggling finding a good commander to synergize with the rest of my stuff.
Any suggestions? Currently thinking of Kresh so he will benefit from the proliferate stuff I'll add. Other consideration is Xira, Golden Sting to add some much needed card draw
I'm not completely against the idea of just going golgari and running hapatra as my commander, I'll probably end up doing that unless I find a jund commander that I Really want to build around
rotund forge
I'm planning a -1/-1 counter deck, and really want to go Jund if I can (so I can...
So, It's sounding like you're trying to avoid the current popular Jund commanders, is that right?
ex: Korvold
Also I know that made me sound like a bot... I'm just trying to be helpful and also sound things out
eager axle
There aren't any Jund commanders explicitly suited for -1/-1 counters. So if you go Jund it would basically be pick one you like for whatever it does instead. e.g. +1/+1 counters or card draw as you mentioned.
If you go 
instead of 
, you lose Scorpion God but gain a ton of proliferate options. And then Volrath becomes a commander option.
Otherwise, Hapatra works just fine too.
rotund forge
Kresh is interesting because it works with [[Yawgmoth, thran]] and how the counters will balance each other.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Protection from Humans
Pay 1 life, Sacrifice another creature: Put a -1/-1 counter on up to one target creature and draw a card.
, Discard a card: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
2/4
rotund forge
I do think Xira has a good synergy too
vagrant stream
Oh yeah definitely was looking at Yawgmoth, but my worry about that card (beside the price tag) is that it can go infinite kill combo with nest of scarabs/hapatra and obelisk spider. That might be too high power level for my table lol
rotund forge
IF you're open to partners there's [[Nadier, agent]] and [[tana, the bloodsower]]
vagrant stream
Korvold is a bit too expensive I think for my first homebrew commander deck but it's definitely in the "ideas" section lol.
Thinking I might start it off as golgari with Hapatra as commander, it's a great card to be able to recast if it does lol
I'll check out those decklists tho maybe I'll find a nice jund commander there xP
vagrant stream
There aren't any Jund commanders explicitly suited for -1/-1 counters. So if you...
Oh damn I like Valrath haha I'll keep UBG idea on the backburner
eager axle
I'm thinking about switching my Atraxa to Volrath soon myself actually. lol
queen ivy
Huh.. I never realized how spicy [[Falthis]]//Tana is
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
Tana gets menace, deathtouch, and trample
rotund forge
I hadn't known Korvold's price was that high. The deck cost less than it seems to be now. -_-
spare marsh
[[$korvold]]
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
[[Korvold fae cursed]]
hollow latchBOT
spare marsh
[[$korvold, fae-cursed king]]
hollow latchBOT
spare marsh
teamwork makes the dream work
spare marsh
I was curious because I know there's one in my trade binder, lol
vagrant stream
Do y'all recommend moxfield or tapped out for edh?
graceful knot
Assume you mean Moxfield?
vagrant stream
Wtf autocorrect 😂
graceful knot
That's my preference. Tapped out is kind of ancient now and moxfield gets regular QOL updates
sterile mantle
I prefer Archidekt personally but if i had to choose between moxfield and tapped out, i would absolutely go with moxfield. Tapped out is just ugly, im sorry
eager axle
I switched from TappedOut to Moxfield a couple years ago. The look of TappedOut never really bothered me but it sometimes had performance issues and Moxfield has more features and some nice QOL things that make it easier to work with.
vagrant stream
Yall ever use top decked?
spare marsh
I like moxfield over the others, personally to me it feels like what tappedout could be if they updated their site since like 2007
I was a hardcore tappedout boomer before
every time someone links a topdecked list I sigh inwardly personally
eager axle
Fwiw, Moxfield is probably the most commonly used at this point. There are a handful of options though, and in the end whichever one you decide you like working with most is fine.
As long as it has some basic features like card names, pictures, and some basic grouping/sorting, other people will be able to read it. You're the only one who really has to work with it.
queen ivy
Archidekt has been making moves to up its popularity by sponsoring people more recently
I use moxfield personally
eager axle
Archidekt definitely would have been my guess for #2.
spare marsh
yeah it's basically moxfield or archidekt
seems like most people use and like moxfield, and archidekt is the polarizing option
personally I hate it and I can't put a finger on why but the people who like it seem to REALLY like it
queen ivy
Their tag system is what I don’t like
You can basically only put stuff in one category
Global tags on moxfield have helped me a ton
spare marsh
their interface and displaying view just feels inefficient to me in a way moxfield doesn't
queen ivy
Though it seems I’m the minority there because I see very few people use the tag system
spare marsh
I think that's it
queen ivy
Yeah. Also defaulting to card image piles is 🤮
eager axle
Global tags are 
queen ivy
Global tags are <:SheldonPogChamp:1024766579394760737>
I’m glad I’m not alone in this. Idk if people can see the tags I have in decks I link but I feel like they help me perfectly summarize the form and function of every single card in the deck
spare marsh
I feel like a weirdo lmao I just don't use tags
I group shit by card type and that's what make ssense in my brain
eager axle
When building or refining decks, do you ever sort the cards into purpose instead of type or mana cost?
queen ivy
My global tags are Ramp, Draw, Game Enders, Removal, and Protection/Recursion
spare marsh
When building or refining decks, do you ever sort the cards into purpose instead...
I think about it in my head but I don't sort by it
eager axle
Eh, close enough. Tags are just that.
spare marsh
<- cracked brain
queen ivy
Yeah I don’t really care much about the card type, much more about the function of the card
Plus moxfield has that little banner at the bottom that you can click through and it tells you how many of each card type you have
graceful knot
Moxfields tester is also good enough you can use it as a digital spelltable
Takes a bit of shortcutting practice but it's very competent
queen ivy
I don’t use its goldfish function much but its test hand function is awesome
graceful knot
I playtest using it religiously before I make a full deck purchase.
vagrant stream
Any feedback on this -1/-1 decklist? Assuming most of it is par for the course since I leaned pretty heavily into the EDHrec suggestions. Also I went "as budget as possible". Any card over 5$ in the list is something I already have. If you see any glaring inconsistencies/weaknesses or areas to improve on, I'd love any feedback
Cheers!
eager axle
Comparing my list quick, I notice no Midnight Banshee or Soul Snuffers. Looks like a good start though.
vagrant stream
Could you share your list? (Pretty please)
eager axle
Half poison/Half -1/-1 counters Atraxa but there's a sliver of overlap. lol
Also, a helpful thing you can do on Moxfield if interested:
eager axle
I wouldn't know. lol
queen ivy
I almost exclusively use my phone for moxfield lol
In fact, outside of work, my steam deck and pirating anime I haven’t really touched my actual pc in almost a year lol
eager axle
Just opened a deck on my phone. Yep. The highlighter's there.
royal sail
I playtest using it religiously before I make a full deck purchase.
same! my only problem is the deck i’ve been doing that the most with recently is chock full of things that rely on opponents doing things which is harder to simulate
eager axle
I didn't even think about things like Vhati il-Dal. I wonder if there'd be any other good options like that. Sudden Spoiling is the first that comes to mind but it makes 0/2's.
charred sail
Also, since we're talking about him having played in Prophecy, what was the last...
Coldsnap, I think, or whatever it was called - the first Ice/Snow themed set in the 2000s
charred sail
How does he feel about the Baldur's Gate series?
Not playing any rpgs. Old school wargame player/designer.
I’ve started pulling him back with DanDan recently, played a couple precon games with us.
charred sail
I have a Sharuum deck fwiw. I don't know how he feels about playing combos, but ...
Sharuum is the 6cmc Esper Sphinx?
As long as the lines aren’t too convoluted, I think he is fine.
Although he’d probably wouldn’t like something too steamlined that would lead to tutoring the same thing over and over every game.
I’m thinking as a control player he’ll like some telegraphed “inevitability”-type wincons like “thousand years calendar” or “approach of the second sun”.
hollow latchBOT
opal roost
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t_b0OauNDkKikjSMqXzvFw
I'll be honest, this list is a joke for my playgroup. It's the clue precon, but I changed the cards so it feels like a Tivit clue precon instead.
I was wondering if any of you had any better replacements than what I came up with. I tried to stick close to what the original inclusions were doing
charred sail
[[The council of four]]?
I was looking at them, too.
I came in not sure what would the options be. Now I’m drowning in options. Chat is fantastic :3
hidden oriole
Is it worth it to buy a commander deck for the parts you can use to upgrade/make other decks? Considering buying one of the precons just for that reason
queen ivy
Which one? Usually the answer is yes but I don’t wanna skunk you
hidden oriole
Looking at deep clue sea right now
The value on it is insane, and I could use some of the cards for Lonis
queen ivy
I agree. Lots of cool investigate cards. From what I can tell these precons have great reprint value
hidden oriole
Yeah, Ayt ayt thanks
vivid pulsar
I was a hardcore tappedout boomer before
I miss when everyone was on TappedOut, not least because I was well-known there 😂
spare marsh
lmao
vivid pulsar
in the Olden Days ™️
Moxfield lacks the... "social media" aspect that TappedOut had
(for better and for worse -- T/O got pretty scummy in the end)
but it's a better deckbuilding site in every way
spare marsh
I had a deck that took off on tappedout but somehow I'm more proud of the one that took off on moxfield despite much less success
vivid pulsar
I had a deck that took off on tappedout but somehow I'm more proud of the one th...
What are those two decks, out of curiosity?
spare marsh
What are those two decks, out of curiosity?
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/new-dank-city/
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tnqAwp_rgk2Y-eJBKqKglw
kinda miss that abzan deck but wow it was a pile
vivid pulsar
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/new-dank-city/
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tn...
Back in The Day ™️ these used to be some of my better-known decks on T/O:
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-ten-plagues-locust-god-cedh-primer/
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/judgment-day-avacyn-the-purifier-edh/
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/toxic-relationship-hapatra-edh/
But now I think my only deck which really "took off" on Moxfield is this one:
vivid pulsar
damn that LP deck really did take off though huh
I'm a little stunned that it took off so much, but once you cross a certain threshold of notoriety it sorta fuels itself
spare marsh
yeah it seems like above 2-3 likes on moxfield even if it's just a list with no effort put into a primer it gains at least a little steam
vivid pulsar
Nothing else I've made on Moxfield has crossed +100 unfortunately
spare marsh
...awfully good motivation to finally write that primer up for Kodama honestly
vivid pulsar
...awfully good motivation to finally write that primer up for Kodama honestly
yeah, primers definitely get more attention! They're also just fun to write, ngl
I should write primers for my other current decks
Unfortunately then people also expect you to upkeep them
Which is hard to devote the time to
spare marsh
I think the only other deck I have that's interesting enough for a primer is shadowheart
maybe I'll use that one as practice
never wrote a primer other than the one of dubious value on that old abzan list on tappedout
vivid pulsar
yeah it seems like above 2-3 likes on moxfield even if it's just a list with no ...
I find that ~25 likes is the place where things really start rolling on Moxfield, for a primer -- since that generally puts you at the top of the "filter by likes" search, first your "filter by views" ranking surges to the top, then people just keep upvoting it since it's the top result
Especially if it's a new commander
I've found that once one of my decks crosses +25, it generally spikes to +75 or so over a few months
(On TappedOut, that threshold used to be about +100, at which point attention start rolling in a self-sustaining way)
vivid pulsar
If you want me to beta-read over any of your primers, feel free to tag me in my deckbuilding channel
spare marsh
I may just
couldn't help but notice that you have the current top ranked Kodama West on moxfield too, lol
vivid pulsar
I'm very much not one to game the "meta" on the deckbuilding sites
I don't really put effort into it -- I don't promote my decks, I just like writing good and fun primers as a creative writing exercise
But yes, sometimes they take off 😂
spare marsh
that's reasonable tbh
vivid pulsar
couldn't help but notice that you have the current top ranked Kodama West on mox...
Yep 😂 I don't really try to do this, but I think I have the top ranked lists for about... fifteen commanders right now?
Maybe 20, there's a few which have been passively creeping up when I'm not paying attention
spare marsh
I'll make stealing one from you my goal then lmfao
vivid pulsar
I'll make stealing one from you my goal then lmfao
You have my absolute blessing! 😄
Please displace me, nothing would make me happier than being dethroned
(Except on Avacyn, Yenna, or Light-Paws: if you displace me on those you die muahahaha)
spare marsh
lol
young patrol
The same question for 3-4-5-6 is 1 in 9?
eager axle
A + B - (A and B)
brazen lake
Hi! I’m not sure if this is the right place to post but I was thinking of brewing some sort of turbostasis type deck. Using things like howling mine or Kami of the Crescent moon to give everyone draw and locking down the game with stasis or other stax and using like viseling/black vise/fate unraveller to do damage and toss in some wheel effects. My issue is I can’t figure out who to use as a commander. The obvious choice is nekusar but I feel like his cost is too high and he just does what a lot of cards in the deck already do but at a high cost
graceful knot
Hi! I’m not sure if this is the right place to post but I was thinking of brewin...
If you want to do it as a Staxy deck, Tevesh//Kraum gives you draw, wincons, and grixis colours. It's also very doable in azorius with Kwain/Council of Four, or especially in Heliod Radiant Dawn. They tend to have combo finishers since otherwise you're just holding 3 people doing nothing for an hour but with psychosis Crawler and other artifact ways to hurt people it's doable without.
I could also recommend Bralin//Shabraz as stax-wheels since it gives two variants of wincon
echo wadi
I really want to make a deck with [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] but I don't know how I should build it other than I do want to get the 9 [[Nazgul]] in it because I feel like it'd be pretty thematic for Sauron, should i build it with wheeling and reanimation in mind or something like that?
royal pewter
I really want to make a deck with [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] but I don't know how...
my opinion [[Sauron, lord of the rings]] works much better in a reanimation deck by using him as a finisher, the dark lord sauron i feel works much better in a control theme where you want to protect him for continual value. you could also go the route of getting your army through for damage so you have a continual card draw engine that's very hard to interact with. honestly he is really open ended especially in grixis. grixis is really good at removal and control but thats just my first take at the card.
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rapid cloud
Been thinking about a PionEDH deck, and struggling with wincons for a [[Queen Kayla]] deck. I could do something really annoying like a stax lock combo, but otherwise I don’t see any combos or any obvious wincons.
Anyone have any thoughts before I move on to another commander?
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
, : Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards. You may choose an artifact or creature card with mana value 1 you discarded this way, then do the same for artifact or creature cards with mana values 2 and 3. Return those cards to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/3
rapid cloud
It is weirdly shocking how limiting the cardpool for pioneer feels despite being plenty big, I love it.
raw token
A direct wincon? I don't know. Artifact creature beats?
round mist
or just [[approach of the second sun]]
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graceful knot
Been thinking about a PionEDH deck, and struggling with wincons for a [[Queen Ka...
I mean you are wheeling through the deck a bit, is it worth playing buccaneer?
rapid cloud
Buccaneer is definitely on the list, as is reckless fireweaver.
My worry with creature beats is just having a way to close out, we’ve gotten a handful of good white finishers but most aren’t pioneer legal.
rapid cloud
[[Graaz]] is a decent option for a mass buff I guess.
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queen ivy
Buccaneer is definitely on the list, as is reckless fireweaver.
My worry with c...
Hasn’t Boros beats been, like, every Boros theme of every set for the last ten sets now
Also, [[Caprocti sunborn]] is perfect here
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rapid cloud
Hasn’t Boros beats been, like, every Boros theme of every set for the last ten s...
Sure but closing out a multiplayer 40 life game is different than a 1v1 standard game. I do like that discover guy, seems v good.
queen ivy
Yeah, but trust me when I say “this creature has evasions/is big” is still a fantastic reason for inclusion
Do you get kaladesh in pioneer? [[bomat courier]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
Whenever Bomat Courier attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Bomat Courier: Put all cards exiled with Bomat Courier into their owners' hands.
1/1
royal sail
kaladesh is in pio yes
rapid cloud
Ooh I’m thinking maybe Dina aristocrats/lifegain is the move, just based on my collection at the moment
queen ivy
I’d have to peer through my stuff to see if I could offer commander options
rapid cloud
Plus the Golgari pool of removal/ramp is strong for pioneer
queen ivy
Yeah. I’m sure golgari has the inexorability in pioneer commander to be quite proficient
rapid cloud
Might go with Beledros over Dina but either way I think a lifegain golgari brew is the move
quiet knot
Can someone give me a good rakdos dragon who's a valid commander?
graceful knot
I mean both Bladewings are good
But what's really scary is [[ganax]] [[iron Throne]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever Ganax, Astral Hunter or another Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/4
queen ivy
Ganax in general is gross
queen ivy
But what's really scary is [[ganax]] [[iron Throne]]
I prefer [[haunted one]]
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spare marsh
if the idea is to build dragons in Rakdos maybe look into [[Rivaz of the Claw]] as well as he's cool af
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Viashino Warlock
Menace
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon creature spells.
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard.
Whenever you cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard, it gains "When this creature dies, exile it."
3/3
spare marsh
despite not being a dragon himself
vivid pulsar
Hey, has anyone tried assembling a Judge’s Tower? I need help finding cards (especially recent ones)
royal sail
[[panglacial wurm]]
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eager axle
Besides doublers, what are some of the best cards for gaining finite amounts of life?
graceful knot
[[Ikra shidi]] stacks with existing life link
hollow latchBOT
hollow latchBOT
round mist
[[verdant sun's avatar]]
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alpine hound
Help with 4 cuts 😢
hidden oriole
Mobile garrison and return to dust seem a bit clunky
Rhys is good, but I guess I’m just wondering how often you’ll be able to use his activated abilities, especially the last one?
But yeah those three for me so far haha. You can try playtesting how often you get to have +1/+1 counters on your creatures to enable Rishkar’s mana ramp ability, cuz right now it seems like your deck focuses more on making tokens over having counters, which is more a subtheme. Given that I’d consider cutting Rishkar as well. If you want a card that does what Rishkar can but better for your deck, check out [[Jaheira]]. as a side note Intangible Virtue seems like it should be in the deck
hidden oriole
[[Jaheira, Friend of the Forest]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Elf Druid
Tokens you control have ": Add ."
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"The Harpers' movement grows, but it needs sunlight to blossom. We can be that light."
2/3
alpine hound
Hm yeah I noticed that as well re the subtheme. I was thinking of removing Rishkar too. I just have these great enchantments for doubling +1/+1 counters and it feels like a waste lmao but maybe that’s fine. Thank you!
dusky needle
I am running [[kibo, uktabi prince]] and it is really underperforming despite having a ton of potential. The biggest issue at the moment is that if the commander isn't out or gets removed too many times, the deck totally stalls. Are there any creatures that does something similar to it? My deck revolves around artifact hate.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Monkey Noble
: Each player creates a colorless artifact token named Banana with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add or . You gain 2 life."
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control that's an Ape or a Monkey.
Whenever Kibo attacks, defending player sacrifices an artifact.
2/2
eager axle
Which part do you find yourself missing most? Opponents needing artifacts to hate on, pumping your monkeys, or hating the artifacts?
dusky needle
Which part do you find yourself missing most? Opponents needing artifacts to hat...
It's that the monkey/ape creature type aren't very impactful without Kibo in play. The past few times I played him, the deck was dead in the water without him.
Last game he was removed 5 times. Which, is some indication that others saw him as a threat.
eager axle
Do you have other good anthem or pump effects? e.g. Blossoming Bogbeast, Beastmaster Ascension, Pathbreaker Ibex, etc.
dusky needle
I've got Pathbreak Ibex (underrated card imo). Ascension is a good suggestion. I have some counter adds in there like hardened scales, so it shouldn't be too hard to acheive.
eager axle
All the good counter cards I know off the top of my head are white so I can't suggest them. lol
rotund forge
Underrated?
dusky needle
Thought about running [[Viashino Heretic]] to take advantage of artifact hate.
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Viashino
, : Destroy target artifact. Viashino Heretic deals damage to that artifact's controller equal to the artifact's mana value.
"The past is buried for good reason."
1/3
dusky needle
kinda mid if there's only treasures/bananas in play tho
eager axle
Do you have Liquimetal Torque to make your artifact removal even better?
dusky needle
yep. Working on getting mycosynth lattice. I appreciate the brainstorming btw
rotund forge
OK, so the reason I asked about why you thought it was underrated is because I'm trying to have an idea of what your group is like.
What are you running to protect Kibo?
dusky needle
[[inspiring call]] lol. I really have no reason to bitch. I bought this deck preassembled by my lgs last year. Did some minor tweaks, but I haven't done a complete break-down of all the typical things you'd do when making a deck.
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
Do you have a list up online?
dusky needle
I do not
rotund forge
OK
dusky needle
OK
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/oCgUiNENY0qrcI7nOXCUog didn't take too long
dusky needle
@eager axle uploaded ∆ my deck list, if you had any thoughts 💭
eager axle
Hmm... Idk if anything particular immediately catches my eye. It checks some of the basic boxes I look for, but also I could see how it would stall out. Makes me think of my token deck which I've still never managed to find the right balance of getting creatures and getting them big enough to be threatening/close out.
reef yacht
Hmm... Idk if anything particular immediately catches my eye. It checks some of ...
Token decks you either go wide or tall. Its difficult to do both
dusky needle
Well, the guys I play with are pretty removal heavy. A lot of decks online don't feature protection. So, I will adjust it to have at least 3-4 pieces.
reef yacht
Same here. Though from my playgroup, I’m the one who runs the most removal of them all.
reef yacht
I'd like to change Cybermat for something much more impactful. Any recommendations?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/rXVz7eLCd0i0jKRaja-PnA
rotund forge
Any of the the [[soldevi adnate]] trio?
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Human Cleric
, Sacrifice a black or artifact creature: Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"People love to follow fools; they don't feel so alone then." —Sorine Relicbane, Soldevi Heretic
1/2
rotund forge
[[Priest of yawgmoth]] [[illuminator szeras]]
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Phyrexian Human Cleric
, Sacrifice an artifact: Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed artifact's mana value.
1/2
Legendary Artifact Creature — Necron
Secrets of the Soul — , Sacrifice another creature: Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"Immortality is not quite the same as invulnerability, but it is close enough."
3/3
graceful knot
Szeras is a pretty clear winner to me bc artifact and bigger body, but also can't sac artifacts
Which could be a downside dependent on your balance of non-creatures
reef yacht
Any of the the [[soldevi adnate]] trio?
I tried running adnate in the deck but i always opted to not even cast it
Yeah, Szeras could work?
graceful knot
If you're not casting adnate when it was there I don't see why you'd be casting szeras tbh
reef yacht
I can recur Szeras with artifact recursion. hmm. Maybe something more like [[Cybermen Squadron]]?
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reef yacht
or [[Cyberman Patrol]]
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graceful knot
I made 9 of those in my last [[mishra eminent]] game 😅
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graceful knot
It's "my creatures are unblockable" but with fundamental differences!
(You can still block, you'll just die)
reef yacht
haha. I always wanted to make Mishra precon work but my brain couldn't make it happen
glacial lark
Hey! Just wondering how you’re supposed to play [[Fynn the fangbearer]]. He just seems really bad? He dies to removal, has a game plan that relies on him being on the field at all times, and seems to have the problem most infect decks have with killing one player and getting mobbed up on. What am I missing?
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graceful knot
You're not missing anything
You're "supposed" to play a bunch of deathtouch creatures, cast finn before combat with protection in hand, and try for low to the ground aggro in monogreen.
It's very telegraphed and not usually particularly fun or consistently strong
rotund forge
My husband has it in his "alternate wincon" Rigo deck but I think all of the wins in it are highly telegraphed in the same way.
prime snow
how many shapeshifters y'all think is acceptable in an unsupported typal strateg...
As many as you need I feel tbh.
Kinda depends on what you're going for though.
quiet knot
Can someone find me some absolutely massive sorceries and instants to cast in temur? Stuff that usually costs way too much mana to be useful but would be much better if cheated in
queen ivy
Of course you’ve got some that’d help cheat other spells in, [[aminatou’s augury]]
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quiet knot
They need to go into the graveyard, i should've mentioned that
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
Create two 1/1 blue Bird creature tokens with flying. Take an extra turn after this one. Exile Alrund's Epiphany.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
queen ivy
This is a good start lol
This should give you a big ol’ list of ones you can pick through
[[apex of power]] has honestly done a lot of work for me before
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quiet knot
The main problem I'm having is that, even with 3 or 4 extra turns, I can usually only kill one or two people :(
Having only 8 creatures in my deck might have something to do with that
queen ivy
Perhaps, what’s the commander?
quiet knot
Perhaps, what’s the commander?
Fugitive doctor + Martha Jones
queen ivy
[[martha jones]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Woman Who Walked the Earth — When Martha Jones enters the battlefield, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, Martha Jones and up to one other target creature can't be blocked this turn.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
3/2
hollow latchBOT
Instant
Counter target spell.
Investigate three times. (To investigate, create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Everyone has something to hide.
queen ivy
Thinking of ways to make clues
quiet knot
Thinking of ways to make clues
Never have an issue with clue production, nor card draw, and mana is more than perfect
queen ivy
Fair enough
Could always do big spells that get big stuff
Or x spells, those are always real big
quiet knot
[[The fugitive doctor]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
When The Fugitive Doctor enters the battlefield, investigate.
Whenever The Fugitive Doctor attacks, you may sacrifice a Clue. When you do, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
4/4
queen ivy
Ohhh right
quiet knot
Lul
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quiet knot
https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/509/call-forth-the-tempest
That's true
queen ivy
[[insurrection]]?
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
[[thunderous debut]] [[treacherous terrain]]
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
Treacherous Terrain deals damage to each opponent equal to the number of lands that player controls.
Basic landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
queen ivy
Oh hell yeah! On of my favorites, [[call the skybreaker]]
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quiet knot
Oh hell yeah! On of my favorites, [[call the skybreaker]]
This one doesn't seem too good, because I wouldn't put a 4 mana 5/5 flyer in my deck
queen ivy
But retraceeeee
I know it ain’t good lol, I just like it
Retrace is one of my favorite mechanics
quiet knot
Doesn't flashback exile it?
quiet knot
That doesn't sound too good, I'm gonna be honest
If it was "retrace: discard a sorcery or instant" I'd be all over it
quiet knot
Oh, okay
💯
The other two seem promising
Treacherous terrain combined with [[tempt with discovery]] sounds awesome
hollow latchBOT
queen ivy
[[reshape the earth]]
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quiet knot
[[reshape the earth]]
I've considered this, but once I'm at 4 mana I really don't need to ramp at all, so it ends up just taking up a slot I could be using for a massive spell to cheat in
quiet knot
You could always just slot in some big ol’ burn spells
I've thought about it
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quiet knot
[[Body of research]] is usually funny on turn 6
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quiet knot
https://scryfall.com/card/pls/61/goblin-game
I cannot even comprehend
queen ivy
Just don’t be the person with the least amount of items, ez
quiet knot
Just don’t be the person with the least amount of items, ez
What is an item
queen ivy
Anything, really. I think the ruling recommends you use dice or simply write down a number
quiet knot
Why is this commander legal
queen ivy
I think it’s one of those goofy cards that came out before un-sets were a thing
And it just is
I think it’s perfectly fun for commander tbh, it’s like the perfect place for the card
eager axle
Goblin Game is ballin'. How dare you suggest it shouldn't be legal.
Also, if you're playing big spells, [[Kaboom!]]
hollow latchBOT
royal sail
[[Rousing Refrain]]
[[Venture Forth]]
[[Inspiring Refrain]]
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Sorcery
Add for each card in target opponent's hand. Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end. Exile Rousing Refrain with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Sorcery
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a land card. Put that card onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. Exile Venture Forth with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3—
Sorcery
Draw two cards. Exile Inspiring Refrain with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
queen ivy
[[Rousing Refrain]]
[[Venture Forth]]
[[Inspiring Refrain]]
Love these ones
round mist
also, [[charnel serenade]]
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Sorcery
Surveil 3, then return a creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it. Exile Charnel Serenade with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
rotund forge
[[chronomantic escape]]
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Sorcery
Until your next turn, creatures can't attack you. Exile Chronomantic Escape with three time counters on it.
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
royal sail
last i checked, you can’t run white or black cards in a RUG deck
rotund forge
Of the cycle
Sorry I missed it was specificially for a deck and thought people were talking about the cycle
And people forget the W one because it was first
round mist
(same for me, except black)
eager axle
Does Magic have any cards like Dark Snake Syndrome here? Specifically looking for increasing damage dealt to everyone. Not half each time (e.g. Havoc Festival), faster than ++1 per turn (e.g. Armageddon Clock).
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round mist
[[descend into avernus]]
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eager axle
2x > x but still relatively slow. And it ramps everyone hard. :x
round mist
apart from that, there's [[sulfurix vortex]], but that is even slower
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queen ivy
2x > x but still relatively slow. *And* it ramps everyone hard. :x
Nothing that does increasing amounts other than descent I’m afraid
There are a lot of burn effects though, and lots of damage doublers
teal delta
So the hypothetical conversation goes:
Player a - "hmm, I'm not sure what i can do right now"
Player b - "huh, i havent got anything for this"
Player c - "i just don't know how i can win"
Me - "oh yeah, you guys lost a couple turns ago, you just didn't notice"
I think this is the next commander deck I wanna build; but what is all your opinions on which commander and/or deck plan this is, because I'm not sure I know... I was first tempted to say Stax but that isn't exactly subtle; then Combo, but that's more explosive all at once. Its probably some kind of value engine? Have you played with or against what I'm getting at?
rotund forge
I've seen a [[Garth One Eye]] be like that. It was an old border deck that was based either stealing opponents creatures with cards like [[Merieke]] or grave pact effects
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Choose a card name that hasn't been chosen from among Disenchant, Braingeyser, Terror, Shivan Dragon, Regrowth, and Black Lotus. Create a copy of the card with the chosen name. You may cast the copy. (You still pay its costs.)
A humble appearance belies a master's skill.
5/5
Legendary Creature — Human
Merieke Ri Berit doesn't untap during your untap step.
: Gain control of target creature for as long as you control Merieke Ri Berit. When Merieke Ri Berit leaves the battlefield or becomes untapped, destroy that creature. It can't be regenerated.
1/1
teal delta
Stealing stuff might be a jam. My numbers tell me I need a Temur or Grixis deck 😅
prime snow
So the hypothetical conversation goes:
Player a - "hmm, I'm not sure what i can ...
Stax can be subtle or other decks in regards to flicker and such, where the effects locked you out of the game and you actually don't know that yet.
royal pewter
Without changing other cards, who would be a better commander for this deck: Talion, the Kindly Lord or Rilsa Rael, Kingpin?
Talion can consistently come down t3 but card draw is dependent on how well I know opponents and whether opponents are willing to play around Talion or not. Granted, I keep notes of all the games I play and have an above average knowledge of common plays in various decks.
Rilsa Rael can consistently come down t4 and has a lower ceiling for card advantage (3/5 of undercity rooms offer card advantage, so three cards every five turns) but a higher floor. Initiative is a card advantage engine that can't be removed via interaction though, which means when games devolve into slogs or I play a creature such as Massacre Girl wiping the board I won't be setting myself behind much.
I play this deck in metas where I start the pregame chat with explaining that I'm not running combos, tutors, or fast mana besides Sol Ring and I want to win with combat damage. Whether opponents adapt to this is up to them. I know people have a tendency to make changes to a deck out of boredom with change for the sake of change, and I'm not immune to this while I'm playing commander only once a month or so.
rotund forge
That's really hard. I'd lean Rilsa based on the last step of the underdark and the creatures in that list.
royal pewter
A friend also texted me to use Rilsa, saying it flies under the radar at our LGS while he watches less experienced players get irate over Talion and target because of it. "Less boogeyman effect."
rotund forge
I'd agree with that too. I have a pEDH Rilsa deck and it doesn't have the same luxury there but it does in regular edh
teal delta
Stax can be subtle or other decks in regards to flicker and such, where the effe...
Any particular cards or commanders you have in mind with this thought for example?
livid condor
This is a lot less of a deck building question and more of a channel question but like how the hell do I navigate this system? Like do I have to make a thread for everything that isn't a question? I want to say this dozens of threads by legitimately have no idea how many and so many die within like a couple comments, half of which I assume are moxfield or scryfall links. How can I even be sure a thread has what I want without adding to the problem?
real rune
I am building this sliver doctors deck, it's mainly slivers with some doctors cards for tutors and win conditions, what should I change? https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6757404
quiet knot
I am building this sliver doctors deck, it's mainly slivers with some doctors ca...
Have you considered [[clara oswald]] ?
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real rune
Yes, also [[roaming throne]], it would be a cheaper clara, but it didn't do much ingame, the deck only has like 5 slivers with triggered abilities
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As Roaming Throne enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4
real rune
It would be very good with [[constricting sliver]] or [[the fourteenth doctor]] but not much more
quiet knot
It would be very good with [[constricting sliver]] or [[the fourteenth doctor]] ...
what about [fist of suns] for the morophon combo
[[fist of suns]]
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Artifact
You may pay rather than pay the mana cost for spells you cast.
"It is all in my grasp. Every petty dream, every grand scheme, every soul, every fear. It all flows through me and from me." —Memnarch
real rune
I just realized throne doesnt work with the fourteenth doctor lmao
Its funny you said that, I just cut it from the deck some hours ago
If I don't have morophon on board it just doesn't do anything
quiet knot
If I don't have morophon on board it just doesn't do anything
It's funny though :(
real rune
The only card that costs more than 5 mana is morophon
Yes, that is why it was in the deck, but it just didnt do anything
It wouldn't be difficult to pull off because I have a lot of sliver tutors that can get morophon, but I'm not going to add artifact tutors just for fist of suns
quiet knot
Well, the idea is that if you have fist of suns already then you tutor for morophon, and if you have morophon then fist of suns is just a bonus
idle arch
I have this aristocrat deck that seems pretty strong when goldfishing, but I haven't played this kind of deck before. Anything I'm missing? I know phyrexian altar is really good but I don't know if I can afford it rn, but it's on my radar
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AC55Bkeec0iQKB4gC8y_fw
prime snow
Any particular cards or commanders you have in mind with this thought for exampl...
[[Lavinia of the Tenth]] etb looping for example
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prime snow
Honestly part of the "issue" with Stax usually involves the fact that players don't know they've lost yet and so keep playing
Also: Commanders that care about spells
rare parcel
[[Rivaz of the Claw]] or [[Faeburrow Elder]] for my Ur-dragon deck?
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Legendary Creature — Viashino Warlock
Menace
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon creature spells.
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard.
Whenever you cast a Dragon creature spell from your graveyard, it gains "When this creature dies, exile it."
3/3
Creature — Treefolk Druid
Vigilance
Faeburrow Elder gets +1/+1 for each color among permanents you control.
: For each color among permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
Its wide-reaching roots draw more than water.
0/0
queen ivy
[[Rivaz of the Claw]] or [[Faeburrow Elder]] for my Ur-dragon deck?
Rivaz, it’s less mana but lets you get a dragon back every turn
Invaluable
round mist
actually, why not both? Consistency is always a boon
queen ivy
actually, why not both? Consistency is always a boon
I mean, usually when someone asks “should I run x or y” it’s because they only have one slot
round mist
I mean, usually when someone asks “should I run x or y” it’s because they only h...
fair
obtuse dagger
i wonder if slime against humanity and dragons approach could be combined to give [[pellweaver helix]] a home...
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rotund forge
Huh, on cards I hadn't seen the oracle adjustment on [[wall of souls]]
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rotund forge
It makes sense, but for some reason I hadn't thought it would be able to be directed to a planeswalker.
graceful knot
You know what.. I never clicked that. I had it as a fair but fun value piece in Dragons Approach decks and never once caught on that it would just kill people.
It might not since it says "card"?
stable gate
Hey I have an idea built around getting big mana cost spells in the graveyard (maybe with some sort of cycling) and using this to enable stuff like delve and collect evidence
Are there enough set up/payoffs for this?
round mist
Are there enough set up/payoffs for this?
setups? yes, [[buried alive]] for instance. Payoffs? I am not deep enough into MKM to answer this, but for pure reanimator, definitely
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stable gate
For setups I was thinking more like [[street wraith]]
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stable gate
Cyclers with decent cmc
For payoffs I found these: [[conspiracy unraveler]], [[analyze the pollen]]
graceful knot
For payoffs I found these: [[conspiracy unraveler]], [[analyze the pollen]]
[[Fugitive doctor]] is a fairly solid one, and works with the karlov clue support
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Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
When The Fugitive Doctor enters the battlefield, investigate.
Whenever The Fugitive Doctor attacks, you may sacrifice a Clue. When you do, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
4/4
graceful knot
If you're discarding or otherwise dumping things with [[oriq loremage]] it's pretty scary
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Creature — Human Warlock
: Search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle. If it's an instant or sorcery card, put a +1/+1 counter on Oriq Loremage.
Nothing can quell the Oriq's thirst for the forbidden secrets of the past.
3/3
raw token
I always kinda had an idea about finding a way to build an [[astral slide]] commander deck.
But I don't even know who I would have lead it
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graceful knot
The classic is Zur
trim rock
[[Jo Grant]] and a Doctor seems good.
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Each historic card in your hand has cycling . (, Discard that card: Draw a card.)
Whenever you cycle a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Jo Grant.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
3/2
trim rock
@raw token
raw token
Yeah, that's possible!
coarse stump
does anyone here have any experience with [[Ephara, God of the Polis]]?
whenever I try to build her, the deck is either wildly inconsistent or I'm going nowhere fast
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spare marsh
I built her but kind of had the same experience so I shelved the project for now
coarse stump
I am pretty sure, somebody somewhere has to have a version of the deck that works decently well in a mid-powered pod. But I have yet to find that person 😂
spare marsh
the issue I had is it was easy enough to keep up in the mid game but my opponents closed the game out and I just... didn't
coarse stump
which route did you go with her? Blink, Tokens, Flash? a mixture of the above?