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Legendary Creature — Zombie God
Flying
You may reveal the first card you draw each turn as you draw it. Whenever you reveal an instant or sorcery card this way, copy that card and you may cast the copy. That copy costs 
less to cast.
When God-Eternal Kefnet dies or is put into exile from the battlefield, you may put it into its owner's library third from the top.
4/5
rotund forge
note: I disassemble most of my decks between playing them. That's why I have so many lists.
reef trout
Re: kefnet(s), I think I really like big fliers as a mono-u commander because it provides you a serviceable win-con in the command zone, beyond whatever additional text the commander tends to have.
prime snow
How does that work out for you. And clique too? It seems not thst good as a commander but I like the idea of it
rotund forge
Kefnet either wins or people get terrified and I get focused. Its won more by beating people up with wizards though. 😅
Clique needs a reworking atm. But the main wincon is probably strixhaven stadium.
[[Strixhaven Stadium]]
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Artifact
: Add 
. Put a point counter on Strixhaven Stadium.
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to you, remove a point counter from Strixhaven Stadium.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to an opponent, put a point counter on Strixhaven Stadium. Then if it has ten or more point counters on it, remove them all and that player loses the game.
rotund forge
[[Donal]] and [[Reflections of Littjara]] help a lot since you can get 3 faeries for each one you cast
rotund forge
Well it hurts that you have Orvar as a comparison
[[Unctus]] vehicles is silly, but I deleted the list I made for it.
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rotund forge
[[Unctus, Grand Metatect]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Vedalken
Other blue creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card."
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a blue artifact in addition to its other colors and types. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either 
or 2 life.)
2/4
prime snow
I think if it didn't have the turn limit or something it would be better. I was looking into Donald Duck here but like, it's sort of just not there
I feel like it's one of those cards that really could have either used an extra color or have a easier casting for the flyers
rotund forge
This is @vivid pulsar 's version of the Unctus vehicles idea that is better than mine was https://www.moxfield.com/decks/eqahSgp4ckCb67wqPQCmFw
prime snow
Well it hurts that you have Orvar as a comparison
tbh I don't consider them the same. Donal does it for free and has an actual synergy. It's just that he's sort of just lacking unforts unless you have flash enablers.
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4256332 does this look/feel solid?
gentle quartz
I've wanted to make a saproling deck for a long time, ever since my "Verdant Force" was a super impressive "there goes the neighborhood" card way back in our college playgroup circles.
Anyways -
I have it narrowed down to [[Slimefoot, the Stowaway ]] or [[Thelon of Havenwood]] but I cant decide which one to go with. I had never even heard of Thelon, which makes me kinda of like that idea just because of that. But Slimefoot is the well known one for a reason.
I contemplated Atraxa just because I thought it would be amusing to play Atraxa Fungus (Spore Counters) and just be way our of left field with her - but probably not. lol
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Legendary Creature — Fungus
Whenever a Saproling you control dies, Slimefoot, the Stowaway deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life.
: Create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.
As Jhoira restored the Weatherlight, a mushroom growing in its hold unexpectedly became her first crew member.
2/3
Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Each Fungus creature gets +1/+1 for each spore counter on it.
, Exile a Fungus card from a graveyard: Put a spore counter on each Fungus on the battlefield.
"The sight of my thallids still thriving is a bittersweet welcome to this cold waste."
2/2
rotund forge
https://archidekt.com/decks/4256332 does this look/feel solid?
I'm sorry I was away. It's at least worth trying but you may need more instants.
vivid pulsar
If you wanted to build white-blue tokens (with convoke and spell mechanics), what commander would you choose?
graceful knot
Lulu, Loyal Hollyphant // Feywild Visitor
Gives you a ton of easy themes (tap creatures, flyers, tokens, counters) and an interesting restriction on them (must make something leave the battlefield to get your major benefit)
vivid pulsar
[[feywild visitor]]
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vivid pulsar
Oh, that thing.
graceful knot
You don't seem pleased to see it 😅
I built lulu as tap-stuff-for-value and its a cute build
but with red
rotund forge
[[Gale, waterdeep prodigy]] and [[inspiring leader]] or [[veteran soldier]]?
rotund forge
I can't decide between 3 ways of building [[Zimone and Dina]]: cEDH, human aristocrats combo or "teen detectives" a clue-based deck
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Legendary Creature — Human Dryad
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, target opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
, Sacrifice another creature: Draw a card. You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped. If you control eight or more lands, repeat this process.
3/4
rotund forge
It's thematically appropriate, and they work well with both Eloise and Lonis even if they don't make clues themselves.
rotund forge
@vivid pulsar I just realized with your azorius convoke. Unctus can draw so many cards if it's blue heavy
mossy marsh
@vivid pulsar How do you resist taking apart two decks to make one super deck???
vivid pulsar
<@254711002904526848> How do you resist taking apart two decks to make one super...
What do you mean?
mossy marsh
Funneling staples, better landbase, and powerful draw spells into one new deck rather than dispersed across my various other decks. Would take 2 decks worth of part/cards to make one new deck using both strengths
zinc minnow
Best 99 creature for a horsemanship deck in blue?
prime snow
Best 99 creature for a horsemanship deck in blue?
[[grazil]]
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vivid pulsar
Funneling staples, better landbase, and powerful draw spells into one new deck r...
Honestly? Build with less colors, don't repeat color combos. Less overlap = less fighting for staples.
Also, don't feel obligated to run a card because everyone says you SHOULD. Only use staples when they actually serve the main purpose of your deck (or if you're aiming for cEDH or cEDH-adjacent power).
raw token
So, I want some card advantage in Gruul, and... hmm, this might be better as its own thread
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mossy marsh
Honestly? Build with less colors, don't repeat color combos. Less overlap = less...
Solid advice, I might need to lay off mono black or 
lands for a bit. Legit out of swamps across three decks and I was eyeing [[Illuminor Szeras]] 🤐
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Necron
Secrets of the Soul — , Sacrifice another creature: Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"Immortality is not quite the same as invulnerability, but it is close enough."
3/3
rotund forge
For new Elenda, I'm so glad they just reprinted [[Champion of Dusk]]
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rotund forge
OK, so, what would the best rx commander be for a risk/gambling deck that's not going to be "eat all the time" coinflips
graceful knot
maybe the forgettable one that exiles top two instead of draw?
rotund forge
😆
I'm trying to think about what would actually work best for [[Arcane Bombardment]]
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rotund forge
Hrm, maybe Neera
vivid pulsar
I'm trying to think about what would actually work best for [[Arcane Bombardment...
Best Arcane Bombardment commander is probably new Urabrask imo
rotund forge
I'd been thinking about that one too.
tardy prawn
I've popped off with it in my Codie deck once
vivid pulsar
I also pulled it off in Solphim pretty well
Since he's a controllable discard outlet
graceful knot
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t_6QqZkWQEKby8rrMyG2dA
Anything I might have missed for a budget humans aristocrats build under Tayam?
rotund forge
I still stand proudly in supporting [[Icatian Moneychanger]] in tayam.
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rotund forge
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t_6QqZkWQEKby8rrMyG2dA
Anything I might have mis...
You decided to include some combos in the end?
I know you were looking to avoid them originally.
graceful knot
Aye, since the deck is tutorless (if you dont count Pyre) and isn't something that can just go off at a moments notice like orvar or abdel, it felt pretty safe to do so. Especially as im already limited to humans so the amount of aristocrats effects is pretty limited in scope
If I wasn't type-locked I'd take them out
rotund forge
Yeah
graceful knot
But I made sure to actually type lock the deck with a singular exception for DD as that seemed fair to include
rotund forge
Rallier with Saffi or Kaya's Ghostform does a lot.
graceful knot
Bunrei+ashnod also works, as does some combinations of like 5 cards that I will figure out during play
rotund forge
I'm somehow increasingly a fan of human combo decks. 😅
graceful knot
They can do a surprising amount for being single-type! Me and a friend in my reg group have a burning dislike for single-type decks as we find them to be incredibly samey and boring usually so it feels nice to do something that isnt "I make ten guys and then I make those ten guys really big"
rotund forge
Any more human combo feels like "Hey, do you want to play elves or goblins but want a little more support to not be a complete glass cannon? points to humans"
graceful knot
Humans having access to a suprisingly large amount of graveyard stuff (mostly incidental over the years) is really nice.
I've seen mardu humans do really well
rotund forge
I've been thinking about Tayam "artificers" since Brothers War.
graceful knot
As penance for making this a combo deck im making abdel adrian into a combat deck that actually cares about his tokens rather than just "how many times can I loop blinks in a turn"
While also dismantling my kinda boring selesnya tokens deck (prava/kamahl) for parts for it
Boy howdy though I wish there were more interesting green backgrounds. If its not master chaf it may as well not matter.
RBG is also good but ineffective for abdel
oh my god planeswalkers in abdel kinda go hard 👀
graceful knot
done some preliminary testing.... I think I accidentally made the deck better.
rotund forge
Abdel?
graceful knot
yup
Making a buttload of vanilla 2/2s is surprisingly effective when you can include things like [[huatli raptor]] and [[boreal seven]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Druid
: Add 
. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells with no abilities.
Creatures you control with no abilities can't be blocked by creatures with abilities.
"I've had my adventures. All I wish now is to sit in peace and speak with the pines."
2/4
graceful knot
I'm working with less actual blink cards now from lack of blue but the difference is barely noticeable 😅
I figured there'd be less combo and even that hasn't ended up being true thanks to ewit and emiel 💀
I'll have to take out all the manarocks if I want no combo I guess
heady flare
Morning folks! I'm in a bit of a pickle here to settle on the number of lands for me list, anybody have a minute to hash it out?
rotund forge
Sure!
heady flare
Thanks mate 🙂 It probably does not come as a surprise that everybody is building myr decks these days and I'm no exception, but I'm not sure how to gauge my lands. I have a sol ring, mana vault, plus all the colored dork myr and palladium in here. Thank being said, almost all my lands are the artifact bridges that come in tapped, but there's an amulet of vigor in the pile. Currently, it's sat on 35 lands, including Urza's and Tron lands
Long story short is I'm trying to fit a [[March of Progress]] in and I'm wondering if I chop a land or not
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Sorcery
Choose target artifact creature you control. For each creature chosen this way, create a token that's a copy of it.
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change its text by replacing all instances of "target" with "each.")
rotund forge
Ahh
I was working on building Myr, I may go back to it, but I sort of got put off with a "I'm just building worse Najeela" realization.
Do you have a draft list up right now?
Because that will change the answer re:lands
heady flare
I'm putting it up in moxfield currently
I realise 100 cards is not enough cards to do everything I want 😂 As for Najeela well, yes, but... I had one of her and my friends do NOT want me rebuilding that hahaha
rotund forge
I have a really pretty foil etched Najeela I would want to build but I need to have a regular group to play her
heady flare
Omg same hahaha
Here @rotund forge , sorry it took six business days to enter I was on my phone
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Land
Path of Ancestry enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity. When that mana is spent to cast a creature spell that shares a creature type with your commander, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
rotund forge
It will scry you more over the course of the game and not give it to your opponents
Yes, it does lose you at least 1 myr token and could potentially scry 2 twice if reflections is on the battlefield but I just like the regular scry.
heady flare
Makes sense.
There's a few myrs and wincons I wanted in there I might swap for less performant Myr like Parcel and Convert
That being said my worry is I'll end up casting my myrs for free because of cost reducers and then path does nothing, right?
rotund forge
Which us the benefit of parcel myr
heady flare
Sac to draw, but I don't really like it
rotund forge
Or [[knighted Myr]]
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Artifact Creature — Myr Knight
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Knighted Myr, it gains double strike until end of turn.
"This one fights like a leonin!" —Jor Kadeen
2/2
rotund forge
It's more you can't get them to be free because colored pip
heady flare
Knighted has the advantage of getting double strike often because of Urtet
Oooooooooooooooooooh
Okay path it is lok
rotund forge
I didn't worry about reducers just because they get removed regularly
heady flare
My playgroup is on the softer side so we don't mess with interactions too much and in the end Ugin is not too easy to remove
rotund forge
For reference, this is the list I got to last of what I "want to do with it" https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Fb1JMk0BaUmNtomhAJxRGA
heady flare
Jesus I hadn't seen that jhoira yet
rotund forge
And is obviously missing interaction, etc
heady flare
I want to cycle Superion and Propagator in, as well as Organic probably. Also looking at getting that charge counter myr and the reactor that says if 20 tokens win hahaha
rotund forge
[[Dynaheir]] is the one I got most excited over of non-myr inclusions though
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Haste
You may activate abilities of other creatures you control as though those creatures had haste.
: When you next activate an ability that isn't a mana ability this turn by spending four or more mana to activate it, copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
4/4
rotund forge
Since her activated ability copies Urtet's
heady flare
Solid point there
Ah dang I forgot to get a genesis T.T
I'm also questioning the relevance of Mondrak, wondering if it's not either overkill or not really enough token generation to make it worth it
rotund forge
nod
heady flare
Which one are you nodding for 😂
rotund forge
I can see what you mean on Mondrak. If you can move the indestructible counter that makes it more worth it
Like with [[Nesting Grounds]]
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Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto another target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.
heady flare
I already have an Elesh Norn monowhite that uses a Mondrak, but that one has a bunch of etb tokens; in this case, it really just adds a myr to Urtet's
rotund forge
4 to battlesphere
heady flare
True
heady flare
Man. I move with the proposition of creating a 150 cards format for edh
rotund forge
LOL
heady flare
I always get stuck with cuts 😭
rotund forge
I keep cutting Karn, the Living Legacy each time I try to add it
Shrine of Loyal Legions is flavorful but you have 8 W spells and no proliferate
heady flare
Yeah he's probably going to get shot down, and Shrine as well
Darksteel reactor, yay or nay?
rotund forge
Unless you're putting charge counters on in some other way that's a very long timeclock
[[Darksteel Reactor]]
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heady flare
That Myr that puts charge counters + anything that allows me to detap it I was thinking
[[Core Tapper]]
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Artifact Creature — Myr
: Put a charge counter on target artifact.
Sacrifice Coretapper: Put two charge counters on target artifact.
It converts the faintest surges of power from Mirrodin's core into usable energy, providing endless power for Memnarch's creations on the surface.
1/1
heady flare
With either Dramatic scepter, Clock of omens or even unwinding, it speeds it up considerably
rotund forge
Yeah it helps.
heady flare
And it's a fun Mirrodin flavored win I feel
Welp, I've probably polluted this thread enough, it's running long a bit 😅thanks for your input and your time, though
rotund forge
I hope it was helpful!
Rachel Weeks had an interesting twitter thread yesterday about how she uses the scryfall tagger function to focus her deck construction and how it makes things faster.
rotund forge
still hemlock
Tags are so useful
prime snow
The Emrakul bot some servers use can actually do discord searches with tagger
rotund forge
Yeah, I hadn't thought about using them to keep on theme. I don't know that it's going to make its way into my normal way of doing things but I'm going to at least try it.
warm salmon
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GRfsC0GhgEW_HztOuDvtdA
So I need to cut 12 cards for my samurai tribal to make it an even 100 but idk what to cut, I got 1 idea of cutting sigil of valor but I don't quite know what else to prioritize removing
rotund forge
I don't know if you have enough instants/sorceries for Toshiro Umezawa
I'm not fond of [[Eater of Virtue]] because so many of the keywords are conditional on samurai. So if they're exiled they won't provide anything.
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature dies, exile it.
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
As long as a card exiled with Eater of Virtue has flying, equipped creature has flying. The same is true for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, haste, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, protection, reach, trample, and vigilance.
Equip
rotund forge
Upriser Renegade feels like I need to do math to check it.
I don't think Nagao is worth it. You're mostly attacking with one samurai at a time so you're potentially committing to just attacking with him alone. see other text later.
I don't know that I would cut Sigil of Valor, just because it's more pseudo-Exalted triggers.
OK, so looking at extra combats, you'd attack with Raiyuu first, his ability would trigger once, Akki's would be once. Then attack with everything and Godo. Godo triggers twice. Nagao would give everything +4/+4 on the 4th combat step.
+6/+6 on the last one.
OK so that is worth it if you're doing it as an overrun.
rotund forge
Oh wait. The untap with Godo would only be once. Same with Akki Battlesquardron.
I'm sorry. I'm having a food reactrion.
rotund forge
So you'd have 2 attack steps with Nagao, two where one creature attacks and one where any creature with vigilance could attack.
tardy prawn
[[Nagao]]
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rotund forge
[[Nagao, Bound by Honor]]
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rotund forge
So if Isshin is out each time Nagao attacks it gives +2/+2 to all samurai. But the extra combat triggers are weird
tardy prawn
Mmm, extra combats with Isshin are tough because all the untaps happen at once; Raiyuu does somewhat evade that problem tho
rotund forge
I was trying to help @warm salmon with cuts on the deck and then my brain decided to go running.
I have Isshin in my Syr Gwyn deck because it avoids the samurai pseudo-exalted problem
tardy prawn
I was gifted a Foil alt art Isshin recently as a birthday gift and insult
rotund forge
Insult?
tardy prawn
I am a known Wulfgar player and advocate
rotund forge
Ahhh
So like if someone gave me a Tivit because they knew I liked playing Sharuum
taking this to #commander at this point though because my brain will forget
vale wren
I'm building a mono green elf tribal commander deck, and was planning on using [[Fryalise, Llanowar's Fury]] as my commander. Anyone have any other mono green elf commander recommendations that could replace her? She seems really good for elf tribal, but I'd like input regardless.
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Legendary Planeswalker — Freyalise
+2: Create a 1/1 green Elf Druid creature token with ": Add ."
−2: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
−6: Draw a card for each green creature you control.
Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury can be your commander.
Loyalty: 3
graceful knot
Mono Green has like a million elves. Marwyn is a classic but a little boring. My personal fav take on elves is [[jaheria friend]] and [[master chef]] for both generating mana and making bigger tokens/elves plus opening up proliferate lines. However, freyalise is really fun and I'd stick with her if you're comfortable with it.
graceful knot
[[Jaheira, friend]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Elf Druid
Tokens you control have ": Add ."
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"The Harpers' movement grows, but it needs sunlight to blossom. We can be that light."
2/3
vivid pulsar
I'm building a mono green elf tribal commander deck, and was planning on using [...
[[Marwyn]] is a good one if you want to go combo-y
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever another Elf enters the battlefield under your control, put a +1/+1 counter on Marwyn, the Nurturer.
: Add an amount of equal to Marwyn's power.
Midwife to mothers and leader to all.
1/1
vale wren
ooo I'll pick her up too
rotund forge
So I'm going to Commandfest Richmond and signed up for the "boxing league" ticket (it actually worked out as being a better price) and I'm trying to figure out in advance what the actual best strategy is for this set.
Because the fixing is really weird for this set and pretty heavily basic aligned.
The best I've been able to come up with is "If I open Atraxa I run her as the commander" just because proliferating opponents' battles seems like a sensible option.
prime snow
So I'm going to Commandfest Richmond and signed up for the "boxing league" ticke...
What;s the boxing league?
rotund forge
Basically, you buy a draft booster box and build a Commander deck
My husband and I were going to buy a box anyway so...
I don't think it's a true league where you can add booster packs from different sets every week
It was $100 for the weekend ticket and $250 for the booster box ticket.
And had a deckbox, 4 arcane signets and 8 promo path of ancestry (4 foil/nonfoil)
When a booster box starts at $170ish getting one for 150 along with all of the other stuff made sense.
prime snow
that's a lotta money...
rotund forge
Yeah... I'm in my 40s, don't have children and have been really lucky. It helps.
midnight hound
Hello, how does birthing pod work in Commander? I see a lot of decks built around birthing pod and I want to up my Myrkul lord of Bones deck’s potency. Is it really just tutor or draw until you hit pod then go off?
vivid pulsar
Hello, how does birthing pod work in Commander? I see a lot of decks built aroun...
Depends on the deck, a bit! It's generally a powerful toolbox option, and there's SOME lists completely built around it (usually with Vannifar as the commander), but others use it more generally for value or finding a specific combo piece
midnight hound
Interesting. That makes sense why the engine works so well in myrkul, having the sacced creatures come back as enchantments and still getting the benefits from the pod search. Thanks!
quaint notch
hey eveyone, do you think theres enough "modified" support to make a Gruul "modified matters" deck? Ive been trying to put together a Kibo deck and it seems like a fun way to do it but I alos have to fit monkey tribal in there
rotund forge
Yes. I would say there's definitely enough modified support. At least if you pick a version of what that means (equipped, enchanted, counters)
vivid pulsar
hey eveyone, do you think theres enough "modified" support to make a Gruul "modi...
There's currently only 20 cards which mention "modified" in those colors, but probably only half are good. However, green gives you a lot of general support for enchantments, so you could definitely make things work with modified as a sub-theme.
prime snow
hey eveyone, do you think theres enough "modified" support to make a Gruul "modi...
search "otag:synergy-modified id:gruul" in scryfall.
However, what you're really looking for is +1/+1 counter shennigans and auras/equipment to use.
rotund forge
So, I definitely extend modified to picking what sort of modification and going from there. But still am basing it around the "modified" cards
quaint notch
Yeah thats kinda what i was thinking, maynbe more "counters matter" than modified but still using things like invigorating hotsprings to make it all mesh
thanks everyone
prime snow
gentle quartz
hey eveyone, do you think theres enough "modified" support to make a Gruul "modi...
One of the two precons was Grull Modified Matters
I really like the idea of the new Backup mechanic -
I'd like to make a deck that really focuses on THAT, but everytime I start upgrading the precon or starting from scratch, it just ends up looking like every other Naya +1/+1 matters.
Any suggestions on how I can really hammer in on the backup stuff to keep it feeling...special
rare void
Is [[Black Market]] in a HigherPower Level still a good card? Or not worth?
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Enchantment
Whenever a creature dies, put a charge counter on Black Market.
At the beginning of your precombat main phase, add for each charge counter on Black Market.
zinc pagoda
Is [[Black Market]] in a HigherPower Level still a good card? Or not worth?
Imho its good but not great at high non cdh
rare void
Imho its good but not great at high non cdh
Thx
graceful knot
It never quite makes the cut in my chainer, despite it probably being able to put in big work. I could remove Painful Quandry for it I guess but I kinda prefer the card/life loss from painful over just activating chainer more/hardcasting big guys.
vivid pulsar
I really like the idea of the new Backup mechanic -
I'd like to make a deck that...
Blink focus, I think?
vivid pulsar
Is [[Black Market]] in a HigherPower Level still a good card? Or not worth?
It's a tricky card to evaluate. It's super powerful if nobody destroys it, but it's slow and costs a lot of mana
graceful knot
How do you balance a theme vs a competent gameplan when the commander/theme is what you start with? I really want to do [[kamiz]] with a "no literal card draw" restriction. So only like [[impulse]] effects or replacement effects instead. Obviously I think [[spirit of the labrynth]] is neat and useful but I want the deck to have a defined wincon and I'm not sure what this deck... wants.
quick ingot
I wanna build an alora deck with focus on combat triggers, like on attack and on combat damage since she gives unblockable.
What colors would you say have the best support? I'm thinking red or green?
rotund forge
[[Alora]]
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prime snow
I wanna build an alora deck with focus on combat triggers, like on attack and on...
[[far traveler]] allows you to "cheat" the Drawback
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prime snow
Blue has a lot of good unblockables and draw trigger stuff as is
[[grazi]] for example
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rotund forge
I wouldn't say it's much of a drawback. If you use [[Guild Artisan]] you get most/all of the cost of any creature you re-cast
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature attacks a player, if no opponent has more life than that player, you create two Treasure tokens." (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Your discerning eye for value makes you nearly impossible to swindle.
quick ingot
Yeah i wasnt really debating what specific background, more the color. I want to use combat triggers because they are fun and not used a lot because its usually hard to connect
rotund forge
Yeah. It's also nice that she's a rogue. So [[Haunted One]] could also work, even if it doesn't really give an attack trigger itself
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vivid pulsar
How do you balance a theme vs a competent gameplan when the commander/theme is w...
Hm. Here's my question: what about that idea appeals to you? If you figure out what the "draw" is, it can help narrow your deckbuilding. If your struggle is balancing sub-themes, I suggest searching for cards and play patterns that can fit in either "half"
graceful knot
Honestly I hate to say it but it's a combination of "I just think it's a neat restriction to try to work with" and I like the idea of breaking parity on spirit of the labrynth and using the increased selection to build a more toolboxy deck. But that's not narrow enough for my brain to be able to make something of. I think I just need to decide a wincon beyond "I hit you a little bit with a guy who gets a little bigger"
rare parcel
Any other recs for a mono colored commander looking for fun and unique? [[Barin, Master Wizard]] seems fun
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
, Sacrifice a permanent: Return target creature to its owner's hand.
"Knowledge is no more expensive than ignorance, and at least as satisfying." —Barrin, master wizard
1/1
prime snow
Any other recs for a mono colored commander looking for fun and unique? [[Barin,...
[[minn]] is someone who can take advantage of barin's trigger.
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prime snow
You're basically running a lot of cantrips in it and stuff that helps you get an extra card off draws to build up illusionists. One of the things people don't realize is that Minn's ability is any permament, meaning that you can do 0 cmc things, like Islands. Mono U Ramp, indeed.
rare parcel
I like unique decks that are fun but still can win
vivid pulsar
I like unique decks that are fun but still can win
What does fun mean to you? As in, what does your ideal game look like? What sort of game actions bring you joy?
rare parcel
Seeing new ways to win that are surprising and effective
rare parcel
I currently run 3 common commanders and I’m trying to branch out to something more unique and mono colored.
Lathril, Scion-ur dragon and Admiral becket brass.
tardy pebble
Hello guys, i have made a Teysa deck, but play testing i feel like it's not consistent. If i get a good hand i crush the game, otherwise i do nothing at all...
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to improve it? (cuts/adds)
https://archidekt.com/decks/3720122
prime snow
I currently run 3 common commanders and I’m trying to branch out to something mo...
Have you looked into [[orvar]]
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graceful knot
It's unique but also very popular and extremely powerful
prime snow
I'm working on [[minn]], and Im trying to figure out good repeatable draw stuff
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agile thistle
I'm working on [[minn]], and Im trying to figure out good repeatable draw stuff
[[oona’s grace]]?
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prime snow
perhaps
somber sentinel
https://vxtwitter.com/archidekt/status/1651676464654217238?t=YpaezpwquIrJqs2owENOZA&s=19
Big news for any deckbuilders on Archidekt, such a crazy useful feature.
tardy prawn
That's huge!
somber sentinel
I literally wrote a whole python script that I could copy paste my scryfall-fu into so that I could get a huge list of cards as the start of a deck (say, every single saga for a new commander?) Then could import in that list. Knowing I can just drag over the results...
reef yacht
Trying to get more card draw spells into my breya deck. Anyone have recommendations?
vivid pulsar
Trying to get more card draw spells into my breya deck. Anyone have recommendati...
Any specific type of card draw, or just in general?
reef yacht
Any specific type of card draw, or just in general?
Was thinking mostly in general but i started doing some digging and found a few things that worked. Like [[Keep Watch]] [[Monumental Corruption]] and [[Reverse Engineer]] most what I found was in blue. Haven’t checked black yet
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Sorcery
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Draw three cards.
The Hold, an illegal research facility in a derelict merchant ship, became a wellspring of renegade intelligence.
somber sentinel
Trying to get more card draw spells into my breya deck. Anyone have recommendati...
For Breya something like [[shimmer dragon]] has to be an auto include yea?
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reef yacht
You would think, but Im in the process of cutting it to lower average cmc.
Most games at my meta don’t last long enough to get a Shimmer Dragon out and make it count
reef yacht
For Breya something like [[shimmer dragon]] has to be an auto include yea?
But yeah Is in the deck but not for much longer. Stuff ive been thinking about is in the considering bin
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agile thistle
[[Ichor Wellspring]] you can bounce it , sac it , clone it
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reef yacht
It was in the deck in one of the first iterations but ended up getting the axe.
Mostly need to add more instants and sorceries card draw. Been removing the sackable stuff from the deck lately too.
agile thistle
Shit. thats probably my favorite draw spell in anything with artifact or sacrifice support
reef yacht
I have artifact decks with sacrifice focused playstyle. But breya iM leaning her more to combo win and how to get there ASAP
Wurmcoil Engine
Unctus
Shimmer Dragon
Myr Retriever
Padeem
Those are on the verge of getting cut. Also need to add boardwipes too.
agile thistle
have you looked through the cedh lists? maybe you can get some inspiration from there
reef yacht
I have but most of it doesn’t touch artifact synnergies from what I’ve seen
agile thistle
Yeah it might have to be an older list for that
reef yacht
The deck has been under construction since I got it. Just now getting it closer to the end. Just the final tweaks that need to be made
And since I’m also foiling it, it makes the process take longer. And not really trying to make it full cEDH, but really getting closer to it for sure. Did you check the list?
agile thistle
I gave it a quick look. Theres certainly some stuff you could still be moving around imo but it looks pretty solid
reef yacht
I have the issue where I run out of gas rather quickly and I have to do a lot of topdecking to get anything going but during that I am playing lots of scary things and that tends to make me a target quicker than anyone else.
I got taken down to 16 yesterday while everyone else was at 35+ life because I had Mirrodin Besieged and Reckless Fireweaver on board.
But nothing to really close out the game.
reef yacht
I gave it a quick look. Theres certainly some stuff you could still be moving ar...
What do you suggest from the considering bin?
agile thistle
Id probably start with adding a few more rocks. youre at like 9, including the 2cmc cost reducers, id be at at least 12. I'd also likiely axe 2 lands.
from the considering list,
thought monitor might aid in your draw issues
demonic tutor is great
grim less so but still good
Windfall I'd include for sure, specially with more ramp for that t2-3 wheel
Damn is good but I would include Toxic Deluge first
Swords to Plowshares over dispatch, maybe both but id do path to exile instead
Your cut list seems fine, but I would add Utter End
Nim deathmantle is a solid combo outlet but youre also cutting the sac support sot it feels a bit awkward to me, but you could swap it for like t he fireweaver
I also feel like you're missing the new Goblin Welder and possibly scrap mastery, specially if artifact wipes are a concern.
I do kinda feel like R is being wasted here though. I think where red really shines when playing artifacts is when youre saccing them
reef yacht
Id probably start with adding a few more rocks. youre at like 9, including the ...
Been considering adding the Mana Crypt but i should get colored rocks instead.
I wanted to focus on red sac but its turning more into other stuff. Im removing Wurmcoil Engine because it tends to be stuck in my hand and is not a combo I go out of my way to get. I tend to go for Sword of the meek and Marionette Master/Fireweaver/Psychomancer + Thopter Foundry/Sly Requisitioner
Been also thinking on getting Aetherflux Reservoir but I don’t want to add 20 different combos
agile thistle
If you have a crypt id 100% add it
reef yacht
I don’t, but I’m adding a ton of expensive stuff for this deck. Foiling cards remember? XD
agile thistle
Lmao well if you want to and can grab one, I’d do it. A second sol ring is always worth running imo
reef yacht
This’l be a deck I won’t be able to bring to casual tables at the end. XD
agile thistle
I don’t really love the marionette master too much here tbh. Its fine if you have like ashnods altar because then you can combo it with Deathmantle (though dunno why you’d do that over breya, maybe if something is sealing her activated ability?)
Sword of the Meek x Thopter foundry is honestly winning you the game regardless of having a hard out. Its giving you infinite life and infinite tokens at instant speed. They’d need a boardwipe that hits artifacts and bring you down from 9999999999 life
agile thistle
I’m not sure I’d add ashnods unless you’re going to go in a bit harder on saccing stuff, but yeah thats one of the typical breya lines
reef yacht
Wurmcoil & Marionette getting cut then yeah? Add Nim?
agile thistle
I think so, yeah
reef yacht
Thanks for the help. Does give me a bit more perspective to go through. Spells to prioritize and such
reef yacht
Anyone good with landfall?
tardy prawn
I've worked with it a couple times
reef yacht
I've worked with it a couple times
I made an azusa deck and I just need pointers as to how to make it better before I start spending money on buying the deck. I want to get it as good as it can get before I buy it.
I also need to cut some stuff but yeah
mossy marsh
Contemplating rebuilding my [[Gnostro Voice of the Craigs]] where it basically was spellslinger spell copy with bonus round copying. Looking at the newer cards like [[Temporal Anchor]] it got me wondering if that was the missing piece
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Legendary Creature — Chimera
: Choose one. X is the number of spells you've cast this turn.
• Scry X.
• Gnostro, Voice of the Crags deals X damage to target creature.
• You gain X life.
3/3
rotund forge
@shrewd kiln I poked at Pia builds and I got 7 thopters that sort of made sense. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/K2DmsP4cakOYDgDd7rSp9A
Including [[Mirror Entity]]
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Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X and gain all creature types.
Unaware of Lorwyn's diversity, it sees only itself, reflected a thousand times over.
1/1
reef yacht
I think so, yeah
Did edits to breya. Added more card drAw and cut like 2 creatures.
reef yacht
So I’m making a mardu goblin deck and I’m having trouble cutting cards
tranquil cove
Does anyone have some card recommendations for a Djeru and Hazoret deck? I have one put together kind of, but I'm wondering if there are any must-have cards for that specific commander
tardy prawn
[[Djeru and Hazoret]]
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tardy prawn
[[Aurelia, the warleader]] or [[Karlach, fury of Avernus]]
mossy marsh
Contemplating rebuilding my [[Gnostro Voice of the Craigs]] where it basically w...
Turns out Polymorph effects are actually fairly difficult to set up when you are incrementally scrying into exile...anyone got recs on ways to tutor [[the temporal anchor]] into play in Jeskai beyond whir of invention
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
: Target artifact creature's controller sacrifices it. That player may search their library for a noncreature artifact card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"Artifice sundered the world. It shall not again wreak such sorrow."
2/2
rotund forge
[[Reshape]]
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[[Tezzeret the Seeker]] (though he needs to tick up at least twice)
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[[$Transmute Artifact]]
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tardy prawn
God, his ult is so bad but he also really doesn't need it
rotund forge
I always forget it says "until end of turn"
mossy marsh
[[Shape anew]] maybe???
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mossy marsh
Maybe just use polymorph into anchor and use rest of deck into Exile based spellslinger???
rotund forge
That's true, if you build it so it's the only option.
Or like, one of 2-3 where the others are similar power
tardy pebble
Can someone recommend me a fun Izzet spellslinger commander that i can build? The only 3 blue cards i currently own that are worth over 2$ are Rhystic Study, Mana Drain and Cyclonic Rift from a Yuriko deck i dissasembled last month
tardy prawn
I've heard good things about [[Rootha]]
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Legendary Creature — Orc Shaman
, Return Rootha, Mercurial Artist to its owner's hand: Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Art is never finished. Merely abandoned."
1/4
tardy prawn
[[Kari Zev and Baral]] also seems neat
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rare parcel
What are the thoughts on the new secret lair commander deck
terse dust
Hello. I'm wondering if adding [[Collective Voyage]] in my Mayael the Anima deck is a good or a bad idea.
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rotund forge
What are the thoughts on the new secret lair commander deck
It's interesting. My husband got one not because he liked the full list as much as he had the same idea for a secret lair deck like a week before it was announced.
rotund forge
Hello. I'm wondering if adding [[Collective Voyage]] in my Mayael the Anima deck...
I would say it depends on how much your opponents are likely to pay into it.
terse dust
Yeah, that's true ... It's a lot more political than it is at first glance. Especially when you'll reap the benefits after all of them as the lands come into play tapped.
rotund forge
[[Tempt with Discovery]] is 3 more to cast, is asymmetrical, it gets any land and they don't come into play tapped.
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rotund forge
So the question is, is 4 mana for one guaranteed land without any having to go to your opponents, better than 2 mana for one tapped basic land and each opponent getting one.
terse dust
Quite a dilemma 😉
rotund forge
Because I think I'm maybe looking for the wrong thing, are there any cards that allow you to put a card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under an opponent's control without the nonlegendary clause?
of [[Beamtown Bullies]]
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Legendary Creature — Ogre Devil Warrior
Vigilance, haste
: Target opponent whose turn it is puts target nonlegendary creature card from your graveyard onto the battlefield under their control. It gains haste. Goad it. At the beginning of the next end step, exile it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
4/4
prime snow
Because I think I'm maybe looking for the wrong thing, are there any cards that ...
Not really.
prime snow
[[Tempt with Discovery]] is 3 more to cast, is asymmetrical, it gets any land an...
tbh the issue is that people aren't going to pay for it the first time lol
rotund forge
That is the point
Is 4 mana for the best land you don't have in play cheap enough if it has the ceiling of 4 lands?
sterile mantle
Any juicy tech for new Polukranos that one should consider? Looking to run more reanimator instead of the more classic hydra type
rotund forge
[[Lifeline]]
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rotund forge
[[Polukranos|MOM]]
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: Transform Polukranos Reborn. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Polukranos, Engine of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Hydra
Reach, lifelink
Whenever Polukranos, Engine of Ruin or another nontoken Hydra you control dies, create a 3/3 green and white Phyrexian Hydra creature token with reach and a 3/3 green and white Phyrexian Hydra creature token with lifelink.
6/6
rotund forge
Flip Polukranos, cast any hydra with base power and toughness of 0/0 for x=0
ex: [[primordial hydra]]
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rotund forge
Two Green mana becomes lots of 3/3 tokens
sterile mantle
Flip Polukranos, cast any hydra with base power and toughness of 0/0 for x=0
Yeah, that's the gameplan
With lots of cheap "return target creature with mv 1/2/3" effects
terse dust
Hello everyone. I feel like something is missing in my Mimeoplasm deck. It's based around milling my opponent and using their graveyard (and mine) as resources ... Any thougts or advices are welcome ! https://deckstats.net/decks/134188/3043782-mimeoplasm-v2
Nota, the land base is still under construction.
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4413997 thoughts? This doesn't seem to work as well as I want it to
errant sentinel
Trying to build a Jund politics/forced combat deck. I'm really thinking about bhaal because I can choose what gets goaded. But I'm not sure though if that's trying to make the deck do to much, splitting between sac outlets, recursion, and forced combat cards?
prime snow
[[bhaal]]
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prime snow
[[bhaal,]]
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prime snow
[[Bhaal, Lord of Murder]]
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prime snow
Trying to build a Jund politics/forced combat deck. I'm really thinking about bh...
It's one of them "Jund Em Out" decks, so just having aristocrat mechanics is probably good enough here.
You're going to want to kill a buncha creatures so you'll probably want stuff like [[blood artist]], [[plumb the forbidden]], [[oversold ceme]]
rotund forge
Quick question. I'm looking to try and finish a deck tonight and I'm wondering if anyone has any feelings about these three. [[Saheeli, Gifted Artificer]], [[Ob Nixilis|MAT]] or [[Pia Nalaar|MAT]]
rotund forge
[[Saheeli the Gifted]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
+1: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
+1: The next spell you cast this turn costs less to cast for each artifact you control as you cast it.
−7: For each artifact you control, create a token that's a copy of it. Those tokens gain haste. Exile those tokens at the beginning of the next end step.
Saheeli, the Gifted can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4
still hemlock
In what context?
rotund forge
In terms of them as the commander of a deck.
Either playing with or against them.
I went in on a deep dive in Arena over the weekend for them (substituting the 3 mana war of the spark Saheeli) to see if I liked them.
And they all came out about even. In paper form they all have the benefit of wanting to play cards I've cut from decks over the years, etc.
Like Ob Nixilis and [[Hellrider]]
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rotund forge
I'm basically looking to build something fun for me that's not... too unfun?
[[Slimefoot and Squee]] was on the shortlist too, but I think that will be less fun for other people
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Legendary Creature — Fungus Goblin
Whenever Slimefoot and Squee enters the battlefield or attacks, create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token.
, Sacrifice a Saproling: Return Slimefoot and Squee and up to one other target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3
rotund forge
Plenty of fun for me
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4413997/minn_but_im_going_to_friggin_lose_it does this need more ramp
rotund forge
That gives a 502 error
It works now for some reason
You went Meloku-self mill-labman win?
prime snow
You went Meloku-self mill-labman win?
That or Naru/Sublime Epip
rotund forge
So, where are you having problems with Minn, just making sure you have enough cards each turn?
Or speed?
Because, looking at your list it feels like you're split between the "Naru-Meha Wizard" train and "Small draw spells" tack
prime snow
So, where are you having problems with Minn, just making sure you have enough ca...
Both.
Yeah. I'm sort of split. I think maybe I should remove this all and consider trying to aim for small draw spells?
rotund forge
I'm looking at your list and poking at it to see
I think you'd maybe do well to swap to more of a passive draw
With like [[Academy Loremaster]] or [[Sage of the Falls]]
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Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player may draw an additional card. If they do, spells they cast this turn cost more to cast.
As a young student, she dusted the shelves of Tolaria's great library. Now, she writes the books that line them.
2/3
prime snow
Sage feels kind of expensive, but maybe Loremaster?
prime snow
With like [[Academy Loremaster]] or [[Sage of the Falls]]
Loremaster seems neat, my only "issue" is more it's a howling mine effect, even with the tax, so not sure. Maybe if I keep faerie mastermind?
rotund forge
Still poking
rotund forge
Basically this is where my brain is but still cutting to 100. Trying to stay more with the Naru Meha train https://archidekt.com/decks/4559176/copy_of_minn_but_im_going_to_friggin_lose_it
[[Ceremonial Knife]] [[Read the Runes]] are the two big suggestions
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage, create a Blood token." (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
rotund forge
The knife is cheap to cast, buffs power by 1 without changing toughness and creates a blood which can be used to draw later
[[Smuggler's Copter]] is another big suggestion
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rotund forge
Minn can crew at least once for a block draw, and if Unctus is out that triggers a second draw from Minn tapping
Controversial suggestion: I swapped Lightning Greaves out for [[Winged Boots]] because the ward would trigger Baral
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has flying and ward . (Whenever equipped creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Equip
Get carried away.
prime snow
[[Ceremonial Knife]] [[Read the Runes]] are the two big suggestions
Knight might be interesting yeah. I think the trickiest thing is drawing on others turns
the deck doesn't seem to loding right now, huh
prime snow
Not showing up for some reason. If you want, just share it on moxfield.
rotund forge
rotund forge
Jin is nice but he can be a difficult lift
prime snow
Yeah, I got him but I feel like maybe it's better to keep those for something else.
rotund forge
The reason I cut counterspell was the double blue and only being a counter
prime snow
Yeah, that makes sense.
[[archmage's charm]] was something I was looking at as a future inclusion
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rotund forge
If you can get it so that can be convoked yeah
I tried to put addition suggestions that were more budget friendly
Oh! [[War Room]]
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Land
: Add .
, , Pay life equal to the number of colors in your commanders' color identity: Draw a card.
A figure is moved on a map, and the tide of war changes.
rotund forge
Is worth knowing it exists but U needs it least
Trying to remember [[$archmage's charm]]
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rotund forge
[[$cephalid coliseum]]
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rotund forge
I would maybe say the coliseum over the charm since the prices are close
[[Cephalid Coliseum]]
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Land
: Add . Cephalid Coliseum deals 1 damage to you.
Threshold — , , Sacrifice Cephalid Coliseum: Target player draws three cards, then discards three cards. Activate only if seven or more cards are in your graveyard.
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Tribal Artifact — Wizard Equipment
Equipped creature has "Whenever you draw a card, this creature gets +1/+1 and gains flying until end of turn" and ": Draw a card."
Whenever a Wizard creature enters the battlefield, you may attach Diviner's Wand to it.
Equip
rotund forge
Which is a wizard and doesn't draw opponents cards
prime snow
aha aha
prime snow
thanks btw
rotund forge
I have it to 100 cards now. So far the earliest has been t5 for Meloku/altar
rotund forge
New [[Jolrael|MAT]] is she the best commander for arcane spell synergy?
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reef yacht
New Jolrael looks neat. I wanna build it but its a heavy investment. Always like the idea of man lands
tardy prawn
The best arcane spell commander is Kalamax
rotund forge
The best arcane spell commander is Kalamax
Because splice copies?
tardy prawn
mhm
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4578781 decided to try out a new commander, any easy/cheap suggestions to make?
tardy pebble
any tips on how to power up this deck? I feel like it sometimes runs out of gas
https://archidekt.com/decks/4565392
rotund forge
Out of gas as in it runs out of cards or runs out of damage?
[[Muddle the Mixture]] or other spell tutors could do a lot
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Instant
Counter target instant or sorcery spell.
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)
rotund forge
[[Grinning Ignus]] is a combo with Birgi and Grapeshot.
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Creature — Elemental
, Return Grinning Ignus to its owner's hand: Add . Activate only as a sorcery.
On rare occasions, a Prismari student will summon an elemental that shows such promise that it's permitted to stay and enroll.
2/2
tardy pebble
Out of gas as in it runs out of cards or runs out of damage?
Kind of both... If i run out of spells i can't buff my commander or fill my board, etc
i threw in a [[Pull From Tomorrow]] to replenish my hand when this happens, but was wondering if [[Dig Through Time]] would be better. I guess not right? Since it gets me only 2 cards.
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Instant
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put two of them into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
tardy pebble
but it's great card selection wheras the pull from tomorrow just get me cards
rotund forge
They're both good. Butbyou're right it's more card selection
Dig also gets around card draw restrictions
Since they're put into your hand you can still use it if there's a [[Notion Thief]] on the table
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rotund forge
Quick question: I'm updating Neyith and I'm trying to choose 2 of 3 possible 7-drops. Which of the following would you go with? [[Foe-Razer Regent]], [[Engulfing Slagwurm]] or new Etali?
rotund forge
Foe-Razer is a card I've had in the deck since I made it and it has both never turned up and never felt like I needed to tutor for it.
I've tutored for the Slagwurm just because I've needed the lifegain.
So that probably answers my question
shrewd kiln
unless it was Dragon tribal, I've surprisingly found [[Ulvenwald Tracker]] to be more useful than Foe-Razer Regent
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Creature — Human Shaman
, : Target creature you control fights another target creature.
"Peace will come to Innistrad, but only after all abominations have been dealt with, one by one."
1/1
rotund forge
unless it was Dragon tribal, I've surprisingly found [[Ulvenwald Tracker]] to be...
I love that card and was honestly part of the reason I wanted to build the deck.
And almost did "Secret Ayula partner" in the first version
[[Ayula]]
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rotund forge
[[Ayula, Queen]]
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rotund forge
Just because of the silly combo: Ayula + [[Words of Wilding]] + Ashnod's Altar + Greater Good
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Enchantment
: The next time you would draw a card this turn, create a 2/2 green Bear creature token instead.
"Instinct is undaunted by terror, unchained by logic. It is the path from which all other paths diverge." —Volume V, The Book of Life
terse dust
[[FECUNDITY]] is combo also with words and ashnod's altar.
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reef yacht
Gosh that’s gross and I’m all for it. Now I need to make a deck that abuses that
rotund forge
fwiw a similar combo is available with WBX with [[Mite Overseer]]+token doubler+[[Elas Il Kor]]+ashnod's
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Creature — Phyrexian Soldier
First strike
As long as it's your turn, creature tokens you control get +1/+0 and have first strike.
: Create a 1/1 colorless Phyrexian Mite artifact creature token with toxic 1 and "This creature can't block." (Players dealt combat damage by it also get a poison counter. can be paid with either or 2 life.)
4/2
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4617166 any thing that feels like it should be cut? My lgs is higher ended.
rotund forge
I'm trying to finish up [[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep]] and it's being harder than I'd expect. Mainly because of the number of board wipes that seem natural inclusions.
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Legendary Creature — Merfolk Noble
Vigilance, ward
Whenever you cast a Kraken, Leviathan, Octopus, or Serpent spell from your hand, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is that spell's mana value. You may cast a spell with mana value less than X from among them without paying its mana cost. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
4/5
reef yacht
I'm trying to finish up [[Kiora, Sovereign of the Deep]] and it's being harder t...
I feel it. Sometimes you just gotta choose 2-4 and roll with it
rotund forge
This is the second iteration I got after the first game https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0yOEqCelCUyCNK3udorn3Q
rotund forge
FWIW, the deck is interesting so far. It's definitely "Simic" so I'm assuming it will have a limited lifespan of being OK and I'm taking advantage of it now.
reef yacht
Haven’t had a chance to look at it
reef yacht
FWIW, the deck is interesting so far. It's definitely "Simic" so I'm assuming it...
Kay, got a chance to take a look at it. Seems really neat to play tbh. How has it worked for you so far?
rotund forge
When I say it's simic, it really lives and dies on its engines more than anything else.
That's why I increased the number of creature tutors after the first game with [[Primal Command]] and [[Shared Summons]]
reef yacht
Ooo. (never played a TRUE simic deck myself so unfamiliar with it)
I mean, I like the style of the deck from what I saw.
rotund forge
The first game I flooded hard. And I was stuck top-decking to try and get any of my card draw.
reef yacht
ooof
rotund forge
I had 15 mana available and just nothing to cast.
reef yacht
surprised you don't have Guardian Project
unless I missed it
the card ominous sea? The enchantment, seems too slow for me at least
rotund forge
That's partially flavor and partially something I can exile with Tamiyo
reef yacht
oh
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Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
Compleated (
can be paid with , , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Tap up to one target artifact or creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−X: Exile target nonland permanent card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of that card.
−7: Create Tamiyo's Notebook, a legendary colorless artifact token with "Spells you cast cost less to cast" and ": Draw a card."
Loyalty: 5
reef yacht
Perhaps adding The Great Henge or Guardian Project or another form of consistent card draw will help you a bit more tho
I guess Dragon Wings can be cut
you have some merfolk too. [[Maeve]] for some shenanigary?
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Legendary Creature — Siren
: Goad target creature. Whenever that creature attacks one of your opponents this turn, you draw a card. (A goaded creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able, until your next turn.)
Her haunting tune drowns out the percussion of snapping masts.
3/4
rotund forge
Maeve is a Siren
Dragon Wings actually is one I'm wary of cutting. Just because it's a cheap way to give flying if I have [[Stormtide Leviathan]] out and Wonder is gone
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rotund forge
I know it can finish games on its own but I'd like to be able to attack with more than 3 creatures.
Henge is probably the better option just because it also gives counters.
reef yacht
Maeve is a Siren
I for some reason thought she was a merfolk
rotund forge
Yeah, it's weird, most sirens in MtG fly
reef yacht
just giving options. unsure what else to suggest for cutting tbh
rotund forge
[[Malcolm|CML]]
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rotund forge
[[Malcolm|CMR]]
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Legendary Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to your opponents, you create a Treasure token for each opponent dealt damage. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2
reef yacht
Sirens tend to fall sooo under my radar my brain did not register they were a creature type
isn't there a merfolk that when you deal combat damage, you draw a card?
[[Scroll Thief]]
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rotund forge
fwiw, I have a copy of [[Serpent of Yawning Depths]] I just haven't been able to find it
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reef yacht
Maskwood mostly so the deck is consistently drawing you cards. That or [[Arcane Adaptation]]
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rotund forge
In comparison, after I added the tutors, I was able to start cranking out multiple 9/9s a turn with Spawning Kraken
reef yacht
well, as long as it works.
just feels like it needed more card draw. i saw way too little.
rotund forge
Yeah, I think I see 8 pieces at the moment. (WAR Kiora, Cold Eye Selkie, Stormsurge Kraken, Aesi, Urban Evolution, Garruk's Uprising, Reconnaissance Mission and then a half mark each for Kenessos and In Search of Greatness)
reef yacht
oh. hmm. Now I have to look at my decks and see how much card draw I added. XD I tend to skip card draw (as in not add a lot) if I have a lot of tutors in the deck. OFC i am now trying to add card draw to my decks, but still.
I think the one that has the most card draw in my decks is my Mondrak deck
rotund forge
I know some people say 10-15 pieces of card draw.
[[Return of the Wildspeaker]] is a planned addition for burst.
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rotund forge
[[Tribute to the World Tree]] is one I've been thinking of too instead of the henge
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reef yacht
oh that would work. I mostly recommended henge because it functions as several different things and is all around good
rotund forge
3 green vs 2 in a deck with as much ramp as this one has isn't hard.
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Creature — Leviathan
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, you get 
(three energy counters).
Pay : Return all other creatures to their owners' hands. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6
reef yacht
its not like you wont be able to play it for 2 green
i had a friend who could abuse aethersquall with Riku
as a commander
he also needed the other whale but yeah
graceful knot
So; Aristocrats. How do you make a deck that wants to have a bunch of little guys not just die to whatever combat deck is running around each game? It seems whenever im testing for Tayam (humans only) that if anybody was on anything that even LOOKS like a board state decides its time for me to die that my options are very limited.
Unfortunately due to my build im very restricted and can't just sporefrog loop (sad I know)
I do feel though, since im moxfield testing, that its very easy to forget a lot of these creatures probably have bigger power than I know (I dont put the +1 counters on I just kinda remember lol) and might dissuade attacks more than I think.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t_6QqZkWQEKby8rrMyG2dA The list, for reference.
rotund forge
How do you want your deck to win, in general?
Is it mainly the Saffi combo lines?
Looking at your list generally they can definitely be big quickly
My husband sort of uses [[Anafenza, the Foremost]] as a wipe deterrant.
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graceful knot
hm that is certainly a 3 cmc or less human
rotund forge
Who puts counters on things
graceful knot
indeed!
rotund forge
Is that something that happens a lot though, with people using a lot of removal to pick off things?
graceful knot
Not massively, I tend to play the most removal in our group and this is the smallest amount I've run in a long time
rotund forge
[[Bess Soul Nourisher]] could be fun with the horn
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graceful knot
I'd prefer not to put in a card on the basis of a single card (that doesn't do anything when combined with all of the enters with counters effects)
rotund forge
Yeah, that was more of thinking of my own humans deck, but that's [[Maja|Kaldheim]]
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graceful knot
Maja might be a fine addition to be fair
Its a nice buff and the deck can certainly abuse landfall a little
sure it can't be brought back normally, but that isn't a huge issue when 70% of the deck can
Gonna cut an enchantment for her methnks
probably take out fecundity, I like it a lot but it needs a deck a little more focused than this one I think
rotund forge
nod
rotund forge
@graceful knot I just remembered another card. [[Inspiring Call]]
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graceful knot
I did have this in my maybe pile tbf
I WISH I could afford a Pithy for this deck man.
rotund forge
There's not a considering list showing up, so I didn't know that ^_^
graceful knot
Just in my brain :p
rotund forge
My brain was just poking at what I would do for Tayam humans because I found two weird cards.
[[Warden of the First Tree]] and [[Reverent Hunter]]
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Creature — Human
: Warden of the First Tree becomes a Human Warrior with base power and toughness 3/3.
: If Warden of the First Tree is a Warrior, it becomes a Human Spirit Warrior with trample and lifelink.
: If Warden of the First Tree is a Spirit, put five +1/+1 counters on it.
1/1
Creature — Human Archer
When Reverent Hunter enters the battlefield, put a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to your devotion to green. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to green.)
1/1
graceful knot
hunter isn't bad tbf, warden feels too mana intensive when that could be more tayam activations lol
rotund forge
Especially with [[Evolved Sleeper]] costing less for similar level ups
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Creature — Human
: Evolved Sleeper becomes a Human Cleric with base power and toughness 2/2.
: If Evolved Sleeper is a Cleric, put a deathtouch counter on it and it becomes a Phyrexian Human Cleric with base power and toughness 3/3.
: If Evolved Sleeper is a Phyrexian, put a +1/+1 counter on it, then you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
1/1
rotund forge
I feel like I'm missing something with this https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pjfE0W_0QUCplBB4CNILKQ
tardy prawn
Why Ozolith?
rotund forge
I thought I took that out
It was the phyrexian tokens with the counters if I'm remembering correctly
rotund forge
Well, I made a list (the link is still the same but significantly different from what I posted earlier) now I'll get to see how it goes.
rotund forge
@bright drift If you're looking at that sort of combo (dockside bouncing), what about storm finishers like [[Grapeshot]]?
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rotund forge
or [[Tendrils of Agony]]
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bright drift
<@304692776178810880> If you're looking at that sort of combo (dockside bouncing...
yeah I added the torment of hailfire (which does excactly what grapeshot does, but better with the urborg+cabal)
rotund forge
Yeah. I was just thinking of things that might be more "interesting."
bright drift
I actually got this far already: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BU99f1MDt0qtkFOSiTG0fA
just might have to add some mana rocks+muddle/diabolic intent/storm-kiln artist/
cabal ritual might get cutten out too
rotund forge
Mind Slicer feels like it's outside the realm of "fun" it sounded like you're looking for.
bright drift
It is little bit outside of my comfort, but adding the discard package is prolly very strong 'control'+wincon
And needed something to make apprentice necromancer good
rotund forge
mm
reef yacht
I’m half tempted to build Elesh Norn MoM but I don’t think it’ll be received well at the LGSs I go to
Been loving making mono-white decks.
opal roost
I’m considering making [[ayara, widow]] as a mono-black reanimator deck with [[burnt offering]] as the only “red” card. Are there any Rakdos reanimator cards that are so good that I should include them? I’m thinking that 6 mana Rakdos demon that makes everyone discard their hand on end step could be good, but anything else worth looking at?
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, Sacrifice another creature or artifact: Ayara, Widow of the Realm deals X damage to target opponent or battle and you gain X life, where X is the sacrificed permanent's mana value.
: Transform Ayara. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Ayara, Furnace Queen
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elf Noble
At the beginning of combat on your turn, return up to one target artifact or creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
Ayara cherished her new machine servitors just as much as she once did her many suitors: not at all.
4/4
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Add X mana in any combination of and/or , where X is the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"My foes serve me twice: in dying, and in death." —Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
prime snow
I’m considering making [[ayara, widow]] as a mono-black reanimator deck with [[b...
There's a lot of nice red cards honestly that you should consider some
[[Jaxis the troublemaker]] for example
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
, , Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
Blitz (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/3
prime snow
[[Feldon of the third path]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
, : Create a token that's a copy of target creature card in your graveyard, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"She will come back to me."
2/3
prime snow
[[Chainer, nightmare adept]]
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reef yacht
So I made some edits to my Drafna deck. Not as Random Blue Goodstuff since I needed to remove some stuff in order to add an actual win-con. Just need someone to give it a glimpse and see any other ways to win I may be missing or general feedback updates. First Mono-U deck I made.
rotund forge
The only thing I'm seeing is you probably want the Urza metalcraft land
[[Urza's Workshop]]
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Land — Urza's
: Add .
Metalcraft — : Add for each Urza's land you control. Activate only if you control three or more artifacts.
Urza eventually came to understand Tocasia's lessons on clarity of purpose. Perfection became his goal, and all other matters fell away in its pursuit.
rotund forge
Since you have tron in there
reef yacht
Yeah. Thats the plan long term.
reef yacht
Since you have tron in there
Already in my to buy.
reef yacht
I'm a little confused by Extraplanar lens
Its been sitting in my collection for awhile with nowhere to put it in. Have played the deck only twice
rotund forge
Fair. I just wanted to make sure you noticed that everyone is going to get double u from islands ^_^;
reef yacht
Oh ok. Yeahz its fine. Don’t worry about pointing it out.
I honestly forgot it was everyone gets double high tide.
But have yet to draw Sun and Lens
rotund forge
nod
I'm now picturing the absolute glass canon idea of planar lens, gauntlet of power and high tide.
where one island (for everyone) taps for UUUU
reef yacht
👀
Most of my meta at least uses mostly black in the colors
Not a lot of blue-centric decks tbh.
Think I should add Tutors?
rotund forge
If you do probably [[Tezzeret the Seeker]]
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reef yacht
Indeed. I did have an issue where I had Drafna, two [[Powerstone Shards]] and Illusionists bracers
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Artifact
: Add for each artifact you control named Powerstone Shard.
"Light passing through a powerstone is refracted by eternity and colored by planar energy. I wonder how the world appeared through Urza's eyes?" —Teferi
reef yacht
I also had Urza the one that taps artifacts for blue and Encroaching Mycosynth
I was told I could win, but I don’t see it.
So drafna was an artifact but I couldn’t untap him to keep copying the powerstone shard
rotund forge
How many lands?
reef yacht
35
rotund forge
on the field
reef yacht
Oh, I don’t remember. Turn 10?
It was last saturday
Urza was giving me most of the needed mana and how I was able to play most of my stuff.
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Untap enchanted creature.
: Enchanted creature gains flying until end of turn.
: Enchanted creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
: Enchanted creature gets +1/-1 or -1/+1 until end of turn.
rotund forge
or [[Freed from the Real]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Tap enchanted creature.
: Untap enchanted creature.
When a strong mind moves, form and energy shift to heed it.
reef yacht
Oh, this is good.
rotund forge
I'm trying to figure out what they were seeing because it sounds like there was something else
reef yacht
Oh. Everything else was tapped. My friend just showed me I had two Powerstone Shards, enough mana to bounce it back with Drafna and recast it and tap Powerstone Shard for 2 colorless
But Drafna needs blue to bounce and I needed to copy the shard in order to go infinite but I was unable to untap drafna. Hence the need for untap ways for him.
Correction. Everything but three mana was tapped.
rotund forge
I don't know what they were seeing then
reef yacht
Its fine. Just wanted to see if someone else had any insight I was maybe missing.
cloud prism
Currently brewing a [[breya, etherium sculptor]] deck built around the Decepticons and artifact creatures and need some suggestions
Only rule of the deck is: no non-artifact creatures.
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Artifact Creature — Vedalken Artificer
Artifact spells you cast cost less to cast.
The greatest masters of the craft abandon tools altogether, shaping metal with hand and mind alone.
1/2
cloud prism
[[breya, etherium shaper]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Human
When Breya, Etherium Shaper enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 blue Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying.
, Sacrifice two artifacts: Choose one —
• Breya deals 3 damage to target player or planeswalker.
• Target creature gets -4/-4 until end of turn.
• You gain 5 life.
4/4
reef yacht
Uhh. Necrons help a lot
reef yacht
Currently brewing a [[breya, etherium sculptor]] deck built around the Deceptico...
Have that decepticon look to a degree. Hmmm
For functionality purposes, here’s my build. I have more artifact decks I can share in the colors.
cloud prism
Uhh. Necrons help a lot
I only own [[Anrakyr]] and [[trazyn]]. Never got to pick up the Necron deck
cloud prism
Anrakyr is in the pile already
reef yacht
Oh. Hmm. Just cards I recommend are the one that gets you necrons when artifacts leave the graveyard, [[Canoptek Scarab Swarm]]
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reef yacht
And [[Canoptek Spyder]]
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frosty pike
Looking for creature win conditions in my Volo/Criminal Past changeling deck. Seems to be able to go out of the gates running, but struggle to close out games .
rare parcel
What’s the best card in blue green commander deck for voting? [[galadriel of lothlyrn]]
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prime snow
What’s the best card in blue green commander deck for voting? [[galadriel of lot...
What do ya mean?
[[Expropriate]] is an obvious pick
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graceful knot
There definitely seems like enough for a cool Bant politics deck but the commander slot is hazy.
cloud prism
What’s the best card in blue green commander deck for voting? [[galadriel of lot...
The real answer is [[illusion of choice]]
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cloud prism
Its almost better to go all but red to dip into black
You can grab either Atraxa as your commander, or grab a pair of Multicolor partners
Dipping into black also gives you the ACTUAL best voting card: [[tivit]]
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cloud prism
[[tivit, seller]]
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Legendary Creature — Sphinx Rogue
Flying, ward
Council's dilemma — Whenever Tivit enters the battlefield or deals combat damage to a player, starting with you, each player votes for evidence or bribery. For each evidence vote, investigate. For each bribery vote, create a Treasure token.
While voting, you may vote an additional time. (The votes can be for different choices or for the same choice.)
6/6
cloud prism
I personally would go Big Atraxa just for the colors and only cast her if you need the card draw
rare parcel
Thanks all
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4703399 how does this work
graceful knot
surprised at the lack of mana barbs
prime snow
surprised at the lack of mana barbs
Didn't know if it would make the price cut. Might add it tho
reef yacht
So… need to add a clock of omens, Unwinding Clock and a Fabricate. Any feedback on what can be cut?
rotund forge
So… need to add a clock of omens, Unwinding Clock and a Fabricate. Any feedback ...
I keep thinking one of those planeswalkers should be cut-able, but I also know I wouldn't want to or which one is the better option to.
reef yacht
I keep thinking one of those planeswalkers should be cut-able, but I also know I...
Im willing to cut tezzeret since I saw yesterday I have enough card draw already. I haven’t used karn yet
rotund forge
I still have never liked Inkwell Leviathan, but I distrust shroud, so it's a personal failing.
reef yacht
Lol I just like the idea of on-cast, making a copy of it
Plus this is half serious, half good stuff
rotund forge
I know, I'm just saying what things I'm not wild about
reef yacht
Its fine. XD yesterday i managed to take like 10 minute turn without any mana from lands (i had like 4 copies of Powerstone Shard) and managed to keep casting Thought Monitor for one Blue which I managed to get by shennanegary.
I need ways to untap Drafna tho
rotund forge
[[Dross Scorpion]]?
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rotund forge
[[Mirran Spy]]
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reef yacht
I was looking at Mirran Spy at one point
graceful knot
Mirran spy is on my "cards to break" list
Definitely doable I just haven't bothered trying yet.
cloud prism
Works with Teshar Scrap trawler loops
Get a creature that mills, deals damage, or makes mana
rotund forge
Thre are a good number of loops it makes too with the [[retraction helix]] artifact combos
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gains ": Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand."
Where the geometries of the world collapse, a master of the aether can harvest power beyond comprehending.
rotund forge
And emry
reef yacht
Oh. Hmm. I wonder how can it be done with drafna
rotund forge
Oh right, [[Clock of Omens]] with the cards like [[Battered Golem]] once Drafna is an artifact
reef yacht
Oh right, [[Clock of Omens]] with the cards like [[Battered Golem]] once Drafna ...
Never understood how Battered Golem helps with combos.
cloud prism
Because it can untap itself at will, effects that require tapping it can be repeated as long as you can have artifacts ETBing
for example, it can make infinite treasures with Ashaya and Bootlegger's stash
reef yacht
How can it be applied to drafnav
cloud prism
[[drafna]]
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cloud prism
[[drafna, founder of lat-nam]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Advisor
: Return target artifact you control to its owner's hand.
, : Copy target artifact spell you control. (The copy becomes a token.)
Alongside his wife, Hurkyl, Drafna built a legacy of scholarship that endured for millennia.
2/1
cloud prism
You can use Retraction helix and ornithopter to make infinite storm to brainfreeze your entire deck and win with Thassa's oracle.
Golem is a storm engine, mostly
You can use Urza Lord High Artificer to turn it into a mana engine
reef yacht
Hm. I see. Thanks for the perspective. I don’t think I want to make it into a storm win more deck though.
rotund forge
This is the other problem my brain wants to make storm decks.
reef yacht
Idk how to go about making storm decks and how to make em fun
prime snow
So… need to add a clock of omens, Unwinding Clock and a Fabricate. Any feedback ...
you could add [[errant, street-artist]] too
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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
Defender, haste
, : Copy target spell you control that wasn't cast. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Few know her face, but everyone knows her work.
0/3
prime snow
Idk how to go about making storm decks and how to make em fun
You can probably go with [[the howling abomination]], [[aeve]], [[Thrasta, Tempest's Roar]]...
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Legendary Creature — Dinosaur
This spell costs less to cast for each other spell cast this turn.
Trample, haste
Trample over planeswalkers (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the controller of the planeswalker it's attacking.)
Thrasta, Tempest's Roar has hexproof as long as it entered the battlefield this turn.
7/7
prime snow
[[aeve, prog]]
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prime snow
or [[vadrik]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
If it's neither day nor night, it becomes day as Vadrik, Astral Archmage enters the battlefield.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast, where X is Vadrik's power.
Whenever day becomes night or night becomes day, put a +1/+1 counter on Vadrik.
1/2
prime snow
and [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]]
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Legendary Creature — Tyranid Human
Ward (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Three Autostubs — Whenever another source you control deals exactly 1 damage to a permanent or player, Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph deals 2 damage to that permanent or player.
3/2
reef yacht
you could add [[errant, street-artist]] too
Interesting.
prime snow
This is basically the sort of deck Errant wants to be in
Her effect is very cheap if you're already copying a lot of things.
reef yacht
So my boss has Sefris and I’m helping him make it better
I suggested cards like [[Razorlash Transmogrant]] underrated and good.
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Artifact Creature — Zombie
Razorlash Transmogrant can't block.
: Return Razorlash Transmogrant from your graveyard to the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it. This ability costs less to activate if an opponent controls four or more nonbasic lands.
3/1
rotund forge
Does said boss have the list up online?
And if you're suggesting Transmogrant, yeah definitely [[Heartless summoning]] make it die right away
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Enchantment
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control get -1/-1.
"They won't be winning any beauty pageants, but they'll do the trick." —Enslow, ghoulcaller of Nephalia
reef yacht
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HC8NSYV4aUSxmg7FAcc4-w
This is his deck
rotund forge
Huh
That's a mix of things
It looks like a "cards I own" selection
It has some theft elements that are confusing
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
It can a bit. i'm poking at the list quickly too, trying to detangle it
reef yacht
Lol.
I keep telling him to come play with my playgroup.
[[Scourge of Nel Toth]] feels like a good include for it tii
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Zombie Dragon
Flying
You may cast Scourge of Nel Toth from your graveyard by paying and sacrificing two creatures rather than paying its mana cost.
"May all the cairns of Jund be toppled." —Meren of Clan Nel Toth
6/6
reef yacht
Also [[Vogar]]
hollow latchBOT
reef yacht
There is a serious lack of card drS
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Merfolk Wizard
: Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded an instant or sorcery card this way, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
, Sacrifice Vohar, Vodalian Desecrator: You may cast target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard this turn. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/2
rotund forge
[[Rona, Herald]]
hollow latchBOT
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Transform Rona. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)Rona, Tolarian Obliterator
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Rona, Tolarian Obliterator, that source's controller exiles a card from their hand at random. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield under your control. Otherwise, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"At last, I am compleat."
5/5
rotund forge
Just for the loot effect
reef yacht
Mjm
rotund forge
Rona untapping with Acererak or Ebondeath casts too
reef yacht
Razorlash & Gravecrawler
rotund forge
[[Tormod|CMR]]
hollow latchBOT
hollow latchBOT
reef yacht
I’m thinking on making a decklist myself and sending it his wayz
We need to make cuts.
rotund forge
Yeah, I have one that's 105
reef yacht
Lol. I also told him to add sack for card draw and tutors
rotund forge
[[Dockside Chef]] feels like a good include
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment Creature — Human Citizen
, Sacrifice an artifact or creature: Draw a card.
The squirming is how you know it's fresh.
1/2
rotund forge
It's cheap and cross typed (creature/enchantment)
So Braids, Cataclysmic Gearhulk
ugh, this is where I am https://www.moxfield.com/decks/pNDcd1zzg0ujn6Yycppgxg
reef yacht
Indeed. i think I have one I can actually give him due to not using it myself
rotund forge
I keep looking at some at the top end and going "I should suggest cutting that" but also realizing that's cutting for me and my aversion to more expensive creatures.
graceful knot
Top end is where sefris shines, you usually never cast them cause you want them to be free
rotund forge
Yeah, as I said I know those would be bad suggestions to cut
reef yacht
I told hom to cut cataclysmic but idk how useful it’ll be in the deck
rotund forge
I could see Noxious being good.
reef yacht
Also needs more mana rocks
rotund forge
Agreed there.
reef yacht
Idk what to suggest though. Hmm.
rotund forge
I put in [[Relic of Legends]] and [[Sarevok's Tome]]
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
Tap an untapped legendary creature you control: Add one mana of any color.
"If the worst parts of history can repeat themselves, it stands to reason that the best parts can as well." —Teferi
Artifact
When Sarevok's Tome enters the battlefield, you take the initiative.
: Add . If you have the initiative, add instead.
, : Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Activate only if you've completed a dungeon.
reef yacht
To b3 honest, i suggested Ashnod’s and Phyrexian Altars
rotund forge
Ashnod's was a suggestion too. I tried to keep "lower" and [[$phyrexian altar]]
hollow latchBOT
reef yacht
He earns more than I do. He can afford expensive shit
reef yacht
I just build stuff I know whats going to help. Recommended Deadly Dispute and Reckoner’s Bargain
Probably Sign in Blood should be suggested also suggested Loran of the Third Path
I honestly wouldn’t run Ashen Rider. And is soooo hard for me to justify it.
rotund forge
I'd almost suggest [[Archon of Cruelty]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
Just because it handles a lot of different things even if it's not as universal as the Ashen rider
reef yacht
Indeed. Creature control can help with token decks in a sense. I personally prefer spot removal with spells on key pieces like enchantments and such. But idk what his skill is atm when playing. Haven’t seen it
Or creature-focused decks in general
As removal I really like [[Overwhelming Remorse]] for this deck.
hollow latchBOT
Instant
This spell costs less to cast for each creature card in your graveyard.
Exile target creature or planeswalker.
Tocasia's face haunted his vision. The explosion still rung in his ears. Mishra kept running and never once looked back.
rotund forge
I'm looking to make cuts on a [[Goldberry]] list and have put the link in my deckbuilding thread. While it looks like there are a lot of cards to cut, I'm pretty quickly paring it down.
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Legendary Creature — Nymph
: Move a counter of each kind not on Goldberry, River-Daughter from another target permanent you control onto Goldberry.
, : Move one or more counters from Goldberry onto another target permanent you control. If you do, draw a card.
"Fear nothing! For tonight you are under the roof of Tom Bombadil."
1/3
prime snow
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HC8NSYV4aUSxmg7FAcc4-w
This is his deck
Could use [[white-plume adven]]
hollow latchBOT
reef yacht
Sooo… any suggestions to make this better? I suck at Traditional aristocrats and it feels like it can be better.
tardy prawn
I'd recommend a few more slow and consistent engines, that create tokens on death in place of some of the one off token makers. Pawn of Ulamog is a great one
Also, maybe your creature count is low for this? But [[Hallowed Spirit keeper]] has been surprisingly strong in my Teysa build
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prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4742135/minn_but_for_reals_for_reals_ does this look good
rotund forge
I like it overall. The only thing I don't like is ever-watching threshold. What are your restrictions for suggestions.
prime snow
I like it overall. The only thing I don't like is ever-watching threshold. What ...
Price basically, rhystic is a card i would like but can't nab right now
reef yacht
So been trying to get this to work. Biggest issue is card draw.
rotund forge
Price basically, rhystic is a card i would like but can't nab right now
Mm. Sorry I couldn't reply earlier. I see you put mystic remora in, I think that's a better option.
mossy marsh
[[King of the oathbreakers]] with auras, do they fail to target or phase out with the spirit???
hollow latchBOT
reef yacht
[[King of the oathbreakers]] with auras, do they fail to target or phase out wit...
this is a question better suited for #mtg-rules-questions
mossy marsh
I reposted it there, thought I had removed it here already
reef yacht
its fine. just saw this.
mossy marsh
Thanks for the reminder though
reef yacht
No Probs.
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4413997 been working on my minn list, bringing out an older one
prime snow
[[King of the oathbreakers]] with auras, do they fail to target or phase out wit...
Equipment and auras phase out with spirits
young patrol
Are there any cards in a Gyruda shell that can get back all my clones? I really liked Dusk/Dawn for that in Bant, but this Grima deck will need a black version.
Gyruda as companion is preventing, like Patriarch's Bidding on shapeshifter since it's odd mv.
The closest it looks like is [[Empty the Catacombs]] but that looks a bit risky and narrow.
hollow latchBOT
young patrol
Maybe just Oversold Cemetary?
still hemlock
[[twilight's call]][[haunting voyage]]?
hollow latchBOT
Sorcery
You may cast Twilight's Call as though it had flash if you pay more to cast it. (You may cast it any time you could cast an instant.)
Each player returns all creature cards from their graveyard to the battlefield.
Twilight falls. We rise. —Necropolis inscription
Sorcery
Choose a creature type. Return up to two creature cards of that type from your graveyard to the battlefield. If this spell was foretold, return all creature cards of that type from your graveyard to the battlefield instead.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
still hemlock
expensive but
young patrol
voyage is perfect
it didn't have "each" and didn't show up in search
All the cool spells I want to play cost 5 or 7 😭
I guess I could just put Gyruda in the 99 of Grima, but the skeleton thus far looks like it supports Gyruda as a companion minus the top end I had wanted.
still hemlock
my scryfall search was o:"all creature cards" mv:even
young patrol
mv:even makes things way easier 👀
still hemlock
yeah mv:even/odd is super clutch for obosh and gyruda
prime snow
Learn scryfall.com tagging
terse dust
Hello, how do you use [[hunting grounds]] ? I'm wondering if I should play it in my Karador and Mayael decks (https://deckstats.net/decks/134188/2643500-karador-ghost-chieftain and https://deckstats.net/decks/134188/2743170-mayael). What do you think about it ? Is there any prerequisite for playing hunting grounds ?
hollow latchBOT
young patrol
Are you asking how it works?
Karador is probably a deck that can use it easily since you're already trying to fill your graveyard, though if you're JUST doing mill, you may end up running out of creatures in hand to play for free. [[Phyrexian Reclamation]] might be solid in combination, though that makes Karador itself a bit redundant.
hollow latchBOT
Enchantment
, Pay 2 life: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
Death is no excuse to stop working.
terse dust
I know well how it works and my concern was exactly how I can use it to the fullest. I didn't think about phyrexian reclamation to refill my hand with creatures to be put into play with hunting grounds. I thought about the number of card drawing assets. I can't evaluate if I'm playing enough of these in Karador.
Putting Hunting grounds into mayael is not easy because I don't reach threshold often.
tardy pebble
anyone has an aragorn, the uniter list to share? looking for ideas
still hemlock
@sharp meadow has an all multicolor list iirc
sharp meadow
I sure do! Entirely multicolor to the point of no artifacts (no sol ring arcane signet or anything like that!)
sharp meadow
Damn, I can't believe you have lands in there
Right? SMH can't even follow my own restriction to a T.
rotund forge
So been trying to get this to work. Biggest issue is card draw.
https://www.mo...
I realized a card that may work for Drafna
[[Errant, Street Artist]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
Defender, haste
, : Copy target spell you control that wasn't cast. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Few know her face, but everyone knows her work.
0/3
reef yacht
I realized a card that may work for Drafna
Neat
rotund forge
Now, you have to pay for her too, so it could be expensive depending on the artifact. But like mana rocks?
reef yacht
I have ways to reduce Activated Abilities plus Illusionist’s Bracers. It helps
Also have Lithoform Engine in the deck
reef yacht
Now, you have to pay for her too, so it could be expensive depending on the arti...
Any other equipment that doubles activated abilities?
tardy prawn
[[Battle mages Bracers]] sadly, red.
hollow latchBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has haste.
Whenever an ability of equipped creature is activated, if it isn't a mana ability, you may pay . If you do, copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Equip
rotund forge
Yeah you basically are on the Peregrine Dynamo, Bracers, Lithoform Engine and untappers as ways to repeatedly copy I think.
reef yacht
[[Peregrine Dynamo]]
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
, : Copy target activated or triggered ability you control from another legendary source that's not a commander. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
Jhoira stumbled upon an ally, not just a good source of spare parts.
1/5
reef yacht
Drafna is my commander… unless you cound the copy as not from the commander as a sourcd
rotund forge
You'd be copying errant
reef yacht
Oh right. Hmm.
reef yacht
You'd be copying errant
I did finally remove Inkwell Leviathan to add Mycosynth Lattice (mainly for mana fixing) since paying two colorless for one colored does not help my end game plan when it comes to filters. Wish it was one for one
rotund forge
nod
rotund forge
What if we can clone a Mulldrifter that we cast for 1 mana? Drafna says we have that technology.
last wind
Actually with Izzet on the brain, I run a [[Zellix]] + [[Guild Artisan]] mill deck rn. I'm thinking of giving it a polymorph package, but instead of going for creatures I aim to hit enchantments. Currently the main win con is milling with [[Altar of the Brood]], what are some non-omniscience enchantments that might be worth running?
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Horror
Hive Mind — Whenever a player mills one or more creature cards, you create a 1/1 black Horror creature token.
, : Target player mills three cards.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
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