I'll be totally honest, Ishai is probably better just to get Bant colours to run all the best land creature support.
But like... I don't wanna build a 3 color deck 😭
#General deckbuilding Q&A and Short Discussion
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rapid cloud
My land creature commander is Jetmir, fwiw. Turn all lands into creatures, drop Jetmir and have an army of buff double striking trampling vigilant lands.
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My land creature commander is Jetmir, fwiw. Turn all lands into creatures, drop ...
Ooh that's actually pretty cool
Finally figured out a deck that could maybe run 2 partners and a companion together decently
[[Zirda]] [[Livio]] [[Alena, Kessig Trapper]]
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for 
any time you could cast a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost 
less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
, 
: Target creature can't block this turn.
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Legendary Creature — Human Scout
First strike
: Add an amount of 
equal to the greatest power among creatures you control that entered the battlefield this turn.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Halana and I have a bond that'll never be broken."
4/3
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[[Livio, Oathsworn]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Knight
: Choose another target creature. Its controller may exile it with an aegis counter on it.
, : Return all exiled cards with aegis counters on them to the battlefield under their owners' control.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2
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Boros Flicker... and activated abilities.
Much of which need to tap, without Summoning sickness...
Yeah this doesnt work well lmao
If there's anything that's been done well so far, it's making it so hard to even play 2 commanders + companion
Another I've though about that could work is Yoshimaru + Vial Smasher + Obosh
But Obosh is just so restrictive...
rapid cloud
Ooh that's actually pretty cool
I like it a lot, it incorporates a fair amount of the Lands Wrath precon, blue would be nice for new Tatyova but I can live without
tight moat
Yeah cool
frosty pike
Looking for suggestions on win conditions for this deck, I find it sometimes having issues closing out games
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IrIQO1pQI02kiX6N5vY_6Q
also yeah Toggo is on the wishlist for now
rotund forge
Looking for suggestions on win conditions for this deck, I find it sometimes hav...
You have two prophetic prisms in your list.
Is one supposed to be a [[Prismatic Lens]]?
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Artifact
: Add 
.
, : Add one mana of any color.
It bends not light but mana, aligning its chaotic currents into the sharp angles necessary for the mystic's purposes.
frosty pike
You have two prophetic prisms in your list.
holy yeah, it's a dragonspark reactor now.
can't believe I missed it
rotund forge
It happens!
tight moat
I keep making go tall decks for some reason, my decks can do different things but all want to win the same way 😭
Hell, now I'm in the mood to build a freaking mono-red deck around Inferno of the Star Mounts. Except it's actually [[Akroma, Angel of Fury]]
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Legendary Creature — Angel
This spell can't be countered.
Flying, trample, protection from white and from blue
: Akroma, Angel of Fury gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
6/6
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Is Akroma worse than Inferno? Probably, but her Morph does let you play her on curve and the protections are pretty helpful.
I want to say I get bored of going tall all the time, but then it wins and it feels good to just blow out people with big numbers lol
cloud prism
I’m trying to figure out what new decks to build as i take some of mine apart.
Would love some ideas for 1-2 color decks
cloud prism
I generally play combo decks but would love to branch out as well
cloud prism
This is pain
tight moat
The new Titania is pretty strong, a player at my LGS is having good success with it
Geist of Saint Traft has been on my mind a little bit lately, I just don't know how you build him besides Voltron or control
Or both lol
Astor is great in the 99 of Equipment decks, a Vehicle deck with him sounds pretty nice tho
Cadric legends tribal sounds fun though I don't really see many people playing him
graceful knot
I really wanna try Shanid with Backgrounds as a subtheme? Just seems like a neat idea
tight moat
Yeah that could be interesting
graceful knot
Not sure what the rest of the deck would be but shanid herself has access to I think ~12 useful ones
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[[Popular Entertainer]] with her granting menace is pretty cool
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@graceful knot
graceful knot
All the black backgrounds are excellent too, as are almost all the red ones. White ones require a bit more building but will work fine
Sort of a token based build with a focus on the commander/backgrounds
tight moat
All the black backgrounds are excellent too, as are almost all the red ones. Whi...
This reminds me of EDHrec's Commander Commander deck
Except they play 4 colours.
So this could be like that deck but for Mardu colors
graceful knot
Kinda! I thought about doing it that way but I think it's putting too much pressure on shanid being alive
cloud prism
Cadric legends tribal sounds fun though I don't really see many people playing h...
Cadric is hard to build for in my experience. I tried him once and it didn’t work but was considering giving him another shot
Pared the list down to 5
tardy prawn
Titania would be my pick. Seems like a fun take on mono-green
cloud prism
I decided on Astor first, then Jirina, then Vorthos
I’ve wanted to do boros equipment for a long time now, and Astor is my favorite legend from DMU.
tardy prawn
Valid
cloud prism
And Jirina leads humans which human tribal is a classic me deck
My first really serious deck was Kyler
And Vorthos
Idk what i’m gonna do with her but i really want an Un-deck
And its gonna win with [[Door to Nothingness]]
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Artifact
Door to Nothingness enters the battlefield tapped.
, , Sacrifice Door to Nothingness: Target player loses the game.
Only a madman could create such a door. Only an imbecile would open it.
cloud prism
Cause what wackier way to win than killing someone with Door?
prime cave
I am building [[Niine-Fingers Keene]] and trying to build more or less on theme according to her history. The WIkia says: "Nine-Fingers was always well-protected by her cadre of personal bodyguards known as the Lady's Court. They were six female protectors, two of whom were wizards, that were wholly and perfectly devoted to their mistress. She rewarded their loyalty with lavish recompense" So...there aren't a lot of female wizards that are that powerful that I have found, so I went with Sheoldred, the Apocalypse and Tasha Planeswalker for those. What are some other imposing women in MTG? Titania, Liliana, Hurkyl, etc.
Also, I don't think anyone in MTG has a nail in their head...so not sure how I will rep that, heh 😦
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[[ashnod flesh mechanist]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Deathtouch
Whenever Ashnod, Flesh Mechanist attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, create a tapped Powerstone token.
, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Create a tapped 3/3 colorless Zombie artifact creature token.
1/1
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[[azami, lady of scrolls]]
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[[drana, liberator of malakir]]
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[[tergrid, god of fright]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Menace
Whenever an opponent sacrifices a nontoken permanent or discards a permanent card, you may put that card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Fear is her one true companion.
4/5
Tergrid's Lantern
Legendary Artifact
: Target player loses 3 life unless they sacrifice a nonland permanent or discard a card.
: Untap Tergrid's Lantern.
When Tergrid was a child, her shadow tried to kill her. Only her lantern keeps it at bay.
mossy marsh
Is turning [[Guile, Sonic Soldier]] into an artifact the only way to get "bonus" charge counters on them? Figure that and extra combats are the main ways to spear head this kind of deck. Is that other people's take as well?
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tardy prawn
Proliferate is always an option
mossy marsh
🤔🤔🤔🤔
mossy marsh
[[Flux channeler]] would help get a hearty stack with the artifacts...
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Immard/Guile should've EtBd with a charge counter already on it...
That or if he had haste
Cause he just has zero immediate value
And the payoff is... 4 damage to something
I really want to like him more but I just can't.
Slight nitpick as well, Flash Kick shouldve granted flying, not lifelink. The games never let him recover life using it
Flying for a turn makes sense when it shoots him up off the ground lol
wheat mango
In my Raffine deck, I currently have [[Toxrill]] as one of the reanimation targets. While he is very good, I am tempted to replace him with [[Reya Dawnbringer]], because she doesn't force my opponents to deal with Toxrill or just have all your creatures automatically removed
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Legendary Creature — Slug Horror
At the beginning of each end step, put a slime counter on each creature you don't control.
Creatures you don't control get -1/-1 for each slime counter on them.
Whenever a creature you don't control with a slime counter on it dies, create a 1/1 black Slug creature token.
, Sacrifice a Slug: Draw a card.
7/7
wheat mango
Oh I should probably add the actual question: How salt inducing is Toxrill in your opinion in a deck that cheats high manacost cards on the table by discarding and raising?
Because while I do really like the card, I can see it maybe annoying some people
I guess it's not really an issue though? This is why you have exile removal in a deck?
graceful knot
Toxrill is a fucking nightmare, but I'd play it first before making decisions because you have to see how your folks react to it
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wheat mango
Or [[Dream Trawler]]
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graceful knot
Toxrill is simply better, easily so, but it's definitely one of those playgroup specific things. I don't think we will see one often if at all in my group for instance
mossy marsh
I really want to like him more but I just can't.
I mean this is true, I just trying to see them more of a [[zurgo helmsmasher]]
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mossy marsh
Granted I also was deck building challenged to build Guile from the street fighter set, would have preferred the red cyclone but eh.
tight moat
You probably could play a Voltron deck with him just fine
You're in all the colours for it
So you just stick to granting lifelink and indestructible
But yeah, my first impressions of him were trying to take advantage of the ability and use it multiple times a turn
tardy pebble
hi guys. I am dissasembling my Yuriko deck, the gameplay is too linear and it's really not fun to just draw cards and then tutor for huge mana costs and kill the whole table at once. I am looking for suggestions on what decks i could build to repurpose most of the cards (the ninjas i'm getting rid of). Here is the list^:
https://archidekt.com/decks/3637050#Yuriko,_the_Tiger's_Shadow
wheat mango
I haven't really looked at everything, but [[The Scarab God]] is the same colors, I think?
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Legendary Creature — God
At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent loses X life and you scry X, where X is the number of Zombies you control.
: Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie.
When The Scarab God dies, return it to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.
5/5
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hi guys. I am dissasembling my Yuriko deck, the gameplay is too linear and it's ...
[Anowon]
[[Anowon]]
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[[Anowon, the Ruin Thief]]
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@tardy pebble Anowon has a same general style to Yuriko, where you're wanting to just yeet unblockable dudes at your opponent. You just focus on Rogue Tribal instead of general unblockables and ninjas.
There's a reason my Anowon deck has it's nickname
graceful knot
No full decklist or anything yet but looking for [[Mr. Orfeo]] cards that have the spirit of [[general marhault]], forced blocks.
Examples being [[viscious battlerager]] or [[engulfing slagworm]].
tardy prawn
[[Predatory Impetus]]
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tardy prawn
Oh, you mean stuff that takes advantage of forced blocks?
abstract cobalt
What’s everybody’s opinions on 4c decks, either with the 4c legendaries or partners?
true gust
Has anyone tried [[Squee, the Immortal]] Voltron with Stickers? I feel like he's the perfect general for stickers, but red is not really a good fit for stickers ( https://scryfall.com/search?q=(oracle%3Asticker+OR+oracle%3A{TK})+id<%3DR+-set%3Asunf+-type%3Aattraction+legal%3Acommander ), so I wonder how it'd work
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Oh, you mean stuff that takes advantage of forced blocks?
Both really, though most of the newer "must be blocked" stuff I have on a sidelist
somber sentinel
Are there any lands that fit into a "Phyrexian" them to you? Any color works, and I'm already aware of the Phyrexian Text lands.
somber sentinel
A lore tag! I disnt even know that one. I tried art and art-tag already haha
tardy prawn
Lore checks through all the text on the card for the mentioned term
somber sentinel
Oracle does not
tardy prawn
Lore is Oracle+Name+Flavor then
rotund forge
I'm trying to think if there are any interesting wincons for mono-u that aren't: "labman", mill opponents, ballista, aetherflux reservoir or go-wide. Because those are the list I have. I group mind-control U in go-wide.
raw token
Force feeding is kinda like mill, but different?
whole swan
[[Mirrodin Besieged]]
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I'm trying to think if there are any interesting wincons for mono-u that aren't:...
Infinite turns is another
rotund forge
True. I may have lumped that into "draw your deck" just the long way round.
abstract cobalt
True. I may have lumped that into "draw your deck" just the long way round.
One of the ways my Talrand deck can win is infinite mana into Capsize or Memnarch
rotund forge
Memnarch is in group mind control but is relevant to the deck idea.
rotund forge
Force feeding is kinda like mill, but different?
It's harder to be foiled by a shuffle titan at least.
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Memnarch is in group mind control but is relevant to the deck idea.
Well, it’s different when you use infinite mana to steal every single permanent on the board
When you infinite capsize/Memnarch, they tend to accept the scoop
rotund forge
Basically I'm looking at [[Jetfire]] and can find several ways to have infinite mana on t5-6 and trying to think what I want to do with it.
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Flying
Remove one or more +1/+1 counters from among artifacts you control: Target player adds that much . This mana can't be spent to cast nonartifact spells. Convert Jetfire.
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Jetfire, Air Guardian
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (As long as it's your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Flying
: Convert Jetfire, then adapt 3. (If it has no +1/+1 counters on it, put three +1/+1 counters on it.)
3/4
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There’s always [[Walking Ballista]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Walking Ballista enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Walking Ballista.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from Walking Ballista: It deals 1 damage to any target.
0/0
rotund forge
I said ballista.
abstract cobalt
Sorry, missed that
rotund forge
One is that [[Farmstead Gleaner]] gets to become "pili-pala at home" with [[Grand Architect]]
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Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Farmstead Gleaner doesn't untap during your untap step.
, 
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Farmstead Gleaner. ( is the untap symbol.)
When it finishes the harvest, you'll have nowhere to hide.
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Creature — Vedalken Artificer
Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Target artifact creature becomes blue until end of turn.
Tap an untapped blue creature you control: Add . Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
1/3
abstract cobalt
There’s some silly land shenanigans with the Moonfolk
Especially considering Mystic Sanctuary is an Island
spare estuary
I am looking for ways to punish decks that play too many small noncreature spells, i.e. removal and card draw, without grinding the game to a halt. My idea so far is [[Ruric Thar]] with creatures like [[Prowling Serpopard]] to ensure that my spells get through. I want to punish decks that use "do nothing" or extra turns the most while "honest" combat strategies should be able to play around him.
I've also seen [[Rocco, Cabaretti Caterer]] but I don't like the idea of being able to tutor for the right hatebear every time (something something Iona)
Do you think there are any other legendaries/archetypes I should look at before I tinker around with the big ogre?
rapid cloud
Ruric will draw a lot of hate, and you’re missing white for the best hatebears. [[Yasharn]] is a great hatebear, and in good colors. I also like Rocco since it’s pretty mana intensive to tutor for stuff it feels fair.
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[[Crush of Wurms]] or [[Army of the Dead]]
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Sorcery
Create three 6/6 green Wurm creature tokens.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
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[[Army of the Damned]]
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Sorcery
Create thirteen tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Sometimes death comes knocking. Sometimes it tears down the walls.
wheat mango
[[Crush of Wurms]] or [[Army of the Dead]]
What's the context?
young patrol
What is the upperbound on the number of colorless lands in a 2-color deck?
Currently I'm at around 6.
spare estuary
that really depends on the amount of coloured pips your cards have, if you're running coloured ramp like talismans etc.
As an extreme example, my Teshar deck requires only one white pip on turn 4 for it's game plan, so I can get away with 9 colourless lands
A friend of mine plays an edric flying men deck which runs maybe 10 spells that have generic costs at all, so he doesn't run any colourless lands iirc (also not the right deck for sol ring probably)
If I wanted to estimate I would try to find the average amount of coloured pips I need on a turn and then use a calculator like this one:https://aetherhub.com/Apps/HyperGeometric
graceful knot
So [[gurgling anointer]] and [[gixian puppeteer]] have a super sweet parallel, they also form the worlds worst loop if you have a non-creature sac outlet and [[homocidal seclusion]]. Is there any way I can make this loop function with a less dead card while staying in monoB? No mana producing altars thanks
(If you want to use this in golgari+, One with the Kami and Grafted Wargear form an infinite without having to use dead cards)
spare estuary
[[Nightmare Lash]]?
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graceful knot
hm certainly doable but would have to have a very good lifegain engine alongside it to get much use out of it
abstract cobalt
Time to figure out which of 50 decks these go in
young patrol
Looking for some quick budget suggestions for a utility land to replace High Market in a bant clones/flicker deck. I'm cutting High Market to restrict the number of on-board lines people have to check.
young patrol
Lacking other physical options, going to try [[Grove of the Guardian]] in the short term since I want more ways to apply pressure later in the game when it's time to end things.
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Land
: Add .
, , Tap two untapped creatures you control, Sacrifice Grove of the Guardian: Create an 8/8 green and white Elemental creature token with vigilance.
young patrol
Moorland Haunt is looking extremely appealing too. Gonna experiment.
rapid cloud
Finally took the plunge and moved from Thalisse over to mono white with [[Ellyn]] and [[Inspiring Leader]]. Got my first game in tonight and it had an excellent showing. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LyocrqbQAkWjCGzYsl-O-Q
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Legendary Creature — Human Peasant
: Look at the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of tokens you created this turn. Put one of those cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
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rapid cloud
I didn't even consider the untap synergy with Halo Fountain and Ellyn but it's pretty sick, was one turn away from the Halo Fountain win early before a board wipe.
And I love the incremental value of Ellyn rather than mass card draw; make a bunch of tokens, see a bunch of cards but you can only pick one. Really fun deck.
rapid cloud
Also [[githzerai monk]] is a helluva good way to clear the board for an alpha strike
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rapid cloud
If anyone has any additional spicy mono white tokens tech not included in the list I’m open to it as a newcomer to the lifestyle
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[[Heraldic Banner]], [[Wedding Invitation]] [[Legion’s Landing]] [[Elspeth Sun’s Champion]] [[Harmonious Archon]]
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Artifact
As Heraldic Banner enters the battlefield, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color get +1/+0.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
Artifact
When Wedding Invitation enters the battlefield, draw a card.
, Sacrifice Wedding Invitation: Target creature can't be blocked this turn. If it's a Vampire, it also gains lifelink until end of turn.
RSVP at your own risk.
Legendary Enchantment
When Legion's Landing enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 white Vampire creature token with lifelink.
When you attack with three or more creatures, transform Legion's Landing.
"I claim this land in the name of the queen." —Adrian Adanto of Lujio
Adanto, the First Fort
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Legion's Landing.)
: Add .
, : Create a 1/1 white Vampire creature token with lifelink.
rapid cloud
Oh I need to put [[wedding announcement]] in there
abstract cobalt
[[Wedding announcement]]
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Wrong wedding
rapid cloud
Lol
Same wavelength
Gotta grab a heraldic banner, that’s excellent. Harmonious archon I’ve always been underwhelmed by but combine it with my background and suddenly all my tokens are 5/5s and that’s pretty sweet
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[[Master of Ceremonies]] [[Launch the Fleet]]
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Sorcery
Strive — This spell costs more to cast for each target beyond the first.
Until end of turn, any number of target creatures each gain "Whenever this creature attacks, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token that's tapped and attacking."
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If you were running more creatures I’d recommend [[Oketra’s Monument]]. You are running enough spells for [[Monastery Mentor]] to do work.
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Legendary Artifact
White creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a 1/1 white Warrior creature token with vigilance.
"The worthy shall respect the worthy. In the afterlife, all will stand united." —Monument inscription
rapid cloud
Yeah I had monument in the original list but not enough creatures to trigger it. Almost considering cutting the Defiler but it did work in the first game I played so it’s got momentum to stick around for a while
Lots of good stuff to consider here. Archon and wedding announcement I know I have somewhere, I really like heraldic banner and legion’s landing. Probably want to play it a bit first to get a better feel for it
tacit cobalt
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DZoPK8eY30KveUAfdBZjRw
New brew coming at y'al!
rustic berry
I'm running a 5 color Ur-Dragon Deck and currently am running my BOMB sorcery [[Selvala's Stampede]]. This card can sometimes win me the game on the spot, but I recently discovered [[Majestic Genesis]]. While a tiny bit more expensive, I feel like it's just as good, if not sometimes better. What do you guys think?
rotund forge
I'm running a 5 color Ur-Dragon Deck and currently am running my BOMB sorcery [[...
I think it has the ability to be better but the floor is a lot higher on the stampede.
Because there's still the chance of whiffing with the Genesis, if still low.
[[Ur Dragon]]
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Legendary Creature — Dragon Avatar
Eminence — As long as The Ur-Dragon is in the command zone or on the battlefield, other Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
Flying
Whenever one or more Dragons you control attack, draw that many cards, then you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.
10/10
rotund forge
You're guaranteed at least one creature with the stampede.
I'm sort of including getting permanent types you don't want if you're looking mainly for creatures as a whiff.
So think Lands and Sol Ring.
So this isn't big enough to do a new thread. I'd been looking at doing a "Young Pyromancer" themed deck in UR but I think it should probably go to UBR to include [[Sedgemoor Witch]]. Since there aren't any commanders that have that effect, is there one you think would be best? https://edhrec.com/commanders/ubr I keep looking at Cormela, Anhelo, Zevlor or Jeleva
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rotund forge
Zevlor would probably be more likely to support a non-W weenie strategy since it works on heavy removal.
tardy prawn
Mmm, it'd be particularly neat to do Anhelo and then run anthems of some form
So you can sac 1/1s for casualty
lone shore
Bad moon, metallic mimic, adaptive automaton. What else does grixis have at 3 or less?
rotund forge
nod but then it starts going into, well why not (original) Jodah or Najeela for effects/anthems in W and G
tardy prawn
Mmm, I was also thinking bout the red one turn power buffs, which both could push for a win and accomplish the intended effect for a turn
lone shore
Battlecry works.
rotund forge
There's also like [[Ferocity of the Wilds]]
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rotund forge
Which pushes into some interesting places with the BR DMU legends
[[Garna|DMU]] and [[Lagomos|DMU]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 2/1 red Elemental creature token with trample and haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only if five or more creatures died this turn.
1/3
lone shore
[[Heraldic banner]]
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Artifact
As Heraldic Banner enters the battlefield, choose a color.
Creatures you control of the chosen color get +1/+0.
: Add one mana of the chosen color.
rotund forge
But then you're choosing a color and they're sort of all over the place, B, R and W
Iconoclast's are W, Pyromancer is R, Witch is B and Saheeli's are colorless
[[Saheeli Sublime|War]]
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rotund forge
Note it may be enough for its own thread now
lone shore
Blitterblossom, Jadar, Dreadhorde Invasion, Ophiomancer. The tokens that're the most easy to obtain are mostly black
rotund forge
OK, I made a thread and copied the text from here into an attachment https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1062418004719190166
cloud prism
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6g-tfWhzY0SSsXrSY-jyJg
looking for some cuts to add the cards in "considering" to this Magus Lucea Kane X Tribal deck
abstract cobalt
[[Riku two reflections]] and add green instead of black? Lots of token support in green and particularly Simic
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay . If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of that creature.
2/2
rotund forge
[[Riku two reflections]] and add green instead of black? Lots of token support i...
I appreciate that but it loses Sedgemoor Witch, one of the cards I was most keen to include.
rotund forge
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6g-tfWhzY0SSsXrSY-jyJg
looking for some cuts to ...
Is it supposed to mainly be a hydra deck or just agnostic on that front
I'm mainly wondering why Mistcutter over say [[Rosheen]]
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Legendary Creature — Giant Shaman
: Add . Spend this mana only on costs that contain 
.
Night after night, Rosheen babbled about a bygone sunlit world, her every word dismissed as a madwoman's ravings.
4/4
rotund forge
Of your considering Sylvan Offering could be changed to Awaken the Woods
cloud prism
yeah thats fair
rotund forge
It makes a similar number of creatures for you except these make mana and don't give them to an opponent
Into the Wilds should be Unbound Flourishing
Wilds is slow, can whiff and flourishing just plays into the gameplan of the deck.
This is a me issue but I'm not a fan of [[Old One Eye]]
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cloud prism
i love it
rotund forge
That's why I said it's a me issue
rotund forge
I know most people do like it, so it's a heavy "take that suggestion with grain of salt."
cloud prism
i can see why its a bit eh
like if you're between this and craterhoof its a no-brainer
i think its fantastic as a stand-in
rotund forge
Just to check (though I probably also know it's a case of you don't have one) [[$Kodama|neo]]
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rotund forge
nod
cloud prism
yeahhhh
i'm gonna cut Mistcutter for now
but rolling thunder and zendikar resurgent def need to go in. Thunder is a wincon and resurgent is so pushed
rotund forge
Maybe Zendikar instead of Song of Creation?
Also adds mana production and draws cards but doesn't make you discard your hand. Also though it's 3 more it's probably easier to cast because 1 pip color instead of 3.
@cloud prism Did you get the deck or individual cards?
And if the deck do you still have all the parts?
Was wondering about [[Clamavus]]
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rotund forge
It just adds up fast and you have a lot that care about P/T
Hrm... 80% of your mana pips are G and only 20ish for the other two colors. But generation is even across all 3
rotund forge
Probably would make sense to cut one basic of each non-G and use the green temples instead?
I'm still trying to figure out what to suggest to change for Thunder
Fwiw this is where my brain has been while working on doing my own list for her https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Bc528bm9Yk6eDSGrsuTSfg
abstract cobalt
My favorite line of play with Tyranids is getting Clamavus, Master Biomancer, and Trygon Prime into play together. Bonus points if you can get one or more of Hardened Scales and Aanimar, Soul of the Elements out as well.
With Lucea Kane it’s easier than you think when you have things like Green Sun’s Zenith and Finale of Devastation to grab two
weak axle
i like a lot big splashy mana spells and spell synergies and shenaningans so i got some spellslinger commanders. thing is that i often find myself with very few pieces on the board, especially creatures and those little creatures i have are almost always there for their abilities not to chump block. so how does a spellslinger deck usually protect itself? can you give me some videos of plays where there is a lot of spellslinger action? i am watching command zone but it seems to me that they always have super big boards!
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cloud prism
mutation isn't good when its copied
rotund forge
Unfortunately no. It's good if you"ve gone wide but not a copy
manic violet
I have 3 return creature from graveyard to hand, and 2 any card, and then 2 animate deads, is that too much for a deck? I do have 7 boardwipes lol maybe that's excessive too.. for a dragon/planeswalker deck that uses bridge
graceful knot
This question feels too open ended. The answer is... no, but 7 boardwipes will make you no friends
manic violet
I play against token makers.. both the green and artifact.. only way to get 1 or 2 out before swarmed 😦 Or should I be looking at tutoring them with blue?
graceful knot
If you're having issues with tokens it might be worth running specific token hate. [[leyline of singularity]] makes your permanents tap for esika's ability, while turning off tokens getting to exist
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graceful knot
but tbf bridge decks usually run a ton of wipes, just the downside of playing superfriends really
abstract cobalt
i like a lot big splashy mana spells and spell synergies and shenaningans so i g...
Tokens generated by casting spells. Deeka, Talrand, young pyromancer, and so on
weak axle
Tokens generated by casting spells. Deeka, Talrand, young pyromancer, and so on
oooh i seee 🙂 thanks!!!
tardy prawn
What're y'all's favorite copy spells? I'm specifically looking for some for my Grixis vampire etb deck
abstract cobalt
What're y'all's favorite copy spells? I'm specifically looking for some for my G...
[[Galvanic Iteration]]
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Instant
When you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Better potent than predictable.
tardy prawn
Sorry, favorite like, permanent clones or copies
Mb, mb
Like [[Rite of Replication]] or [[Clone]]
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Sorcery
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
rapid cloud
[[Irenicus’s vile duplication]] is solid. Are you wanting to specifically copy Evelyn (so legendary copies)?
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tardy prawn
Either way. Evelyn or [[Malakir Bloodwitch]]
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rapid cloud
I’m a big fan of [[cursed mirror]]. [[jaxis]] is also an interesting idea in evelyn
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Artifact
: Add .
As Cursed Mirror enters the battlefield, you may have it become a copy of any creature on the battlefield until end of turn, except it has haste.
Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
, , Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
Blitz (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/3
rapid cloud
Discard a card to make an evelyn (or whatever) copy, get the etb, and draw a card when it dies to legend rule or at end step
Actually brb finding space for Jaxis in my evelyn deck
abstract cobalt
This deck says Be’lakor but it’s built around clone effects to get more ETBs. It has a lot of clone effects and is Grixis, feel free to compare what I’m using here
tardy prawn
Jaxis is a really cool idea. I'll also check out this list.
rapid cloud
Jaxis is actually so good the more I think about it. Discard a card to exile 2 cards from each library and draw a card.
rapid cloud
Yeah my evelyn build has a bunch of good ETBs.
tardy prawn
Originally I had it focused on theft effects, but having like, 5 different exiles all with different rules really sucks
rapid cloud
I had more clones in my original list but it got to be overwhelming so I dialed it back and focused more on just doing vampire shenanigans. I do still have Displacer Kitten which is so damn busted in there. Get more cards but also reset the “one cast per turn” clause on evelyn.
abstract cobalt
I really like having the three effects of Kitten, Orvar, and Duplimancy all in the same deck
rapid cloud
I also love any deck where I can play prosper in the 99
abstract cobalt
I also love any deck where I can play prosper in the 99
Prosper in the 99 is my jam. Love him in Anje Falkenrath in particular
rapid cloud
Just sad I do most games on Spelltable these days and I won’t play evelyn on Spelltable.
Gotta get to the LGS one weekend
abstract cobalt
Managed to play an entire game with Anje last week with her and Prosper out, managed to go the entire game and never failed to cast the madness cards I discarded
Ended up closing it out with Dragon Throne of Tarkir, Rakdos has to dig deep for its Craterhoof
rapid cloud
The first game I played evelyn in was a 3-pod so slightly nerfed and it didn’t matter. She ran away with value, I kept exiling my opponents’ removal so they couldn’t hit her. Such a fun deck
Maskwood nexus is hilarious to turn my opponents’ creatures into vampires to use against them
abstract cobalt
I was planning on building Evelyn as my main Grixis deck until BeLakor showed up
I was planning on focusing on synergy and payoffs for playing the opponent’s decks
rapid cloud
I had the Strefan deck but couldn’t figure out how to build it the way I wanted until evelyn. It’s really nice that her hybrid costs means I didn’t have to do much tweaking to the mana base, there’s a splash of blue in the deck but not much and I can cast her without any blue sources
tardy prawn
I was given a free Planar Portal precon, and I turned it into Evelyn
rapid cloud
Hell yeah. Evelyn is sick
tardy prawn
Honestly one of my fave decks
Maybe... Third? Fourth? Out of my 10
It's funny how much meming about Wulfgar has made me more proud to play Wulfgar.
rapid cloud
Yeah I think I need to head to the LGS week to get in some Evelyn games
graceful knot
Wulfgar seems cool, very sad to see him get eclipsed so quickly but I prefer him over two swords still :p
tardy prawn
I'm number one two swords hater because I play Wulfgar
graceful knot
wulfgar won't make me happy as a commander but he will go into Mr Orfeo
abstract cobalt
Giada won(stole) her first ever game, and Bruse/Tymna won its second game after a strong first game.
tardy prawn
Hm. How many nonbos is too many? I have a mono-black equipment deck, And Sword of Sinew and Steel seems really good; Problem is, I have 8 black effects that want to target or attach to my commander.
rapid cloud
I don’t know the answer but I had a realization that my [[inspiring leader]] background for Ellyn turns off card draw like welcoming vampire which makes me sad.
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rapid cloud
Nonbos suck
manic violet
Is there a card similar to rhystic study that has low requirement of blue? 1-2 max?
graceful knot
What do you mean by "low requirement"
rapid cloud
[[mystic remora]] is the only thing similar to Rhystic in blue I’m aware of
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Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .
graceful knot
Do you count [[minds eye]] lol
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Artifact
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may pay . If you do, draw a card.
"Ideas drift like petals on the wind. I have only to lift my face to the breeze."
manic violet
[[mystic remora]] is the only thing similar to Rhystic in blue I’m aware of
Anything in another color?
graceful knot
[[esper sentinel]]
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Artifact Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever an opponent casts their first noncreature spell each turn, draw a card unless that player pays , where X is Esper Sentinel's power.
The more Esper changes, the more he refuses to.
1/1
rapid cloud
Yeah Esper sentinel. Are you looking for any draw engine or specifically something that triggers off of opponents casting/something that taxes opponents?
manic violet
Just card draw without getting them angry.. have some symetrical ones like howling mine/etc but want to maybe get rid of them to something like reward me for you doing stuff
rapid cloud
May I introduce you to [[flumph]] and also [[smugglers share]] in white.
manic violet
Do you think Smuggler's Share with a mine would get out of control? I'd have 5+ cards every turn.. have to discard... no madness cards hmm
rapid cloud
Smugglers share works best with cards like howling mine where you’re forcing your opponents to draw extra, yeah.
Discarding to hand size is a good thing, it means you get to pick your 7 best.
graceful knot
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edh-is-about-casting-your-commander/?cb=1673697383
Will probably make a full on thread later, this link is mostly for reference.
So im building "dungeon storm", currently I think my other combos (liliana/shambling ghast and thran/putrid) are just getting in the way, but im not sure what else I can do to benefit from casting acererak a lot. Obviously incubator and medallion would be nice but they're both out of budget, as are the spensive black mana doublers. Is it worth putting in Tendrils of Agony even if the only time it will win is when im already casting acererak enough to secure a victory?
prime cave
So I'm building kinda Voltron Nine-Fingers Keene (9FK) and my pod is really, really stack-focused. Lots of Force of Will, Force of Negation, Cyclonic Rift, etc. As an idea, the current meta is Pope (Grand Arbiter Augustin IV), Barrin with Shackles/Sower of Temptation and Flicker effects on Sower, and a wildcard deck that's either Brallin/Shabaaz Swans of Bryn Agoll or something more casual. I feel Keene's Ward - Pay 9 Life will help a bit but wondering if it would be worth going deeper into City of Solitude (since my deck is almost always Main Phase) or Dosan, the Falling Leaf, etc.
proud elm
So my Playgroup is doing this thing, where we all took a precon and we have precon games. Each Game gets some challenges and if you succed in one challenge you get points.
With those points you can now buy upgrade to your precons. You can spend points only for one cards, one point equals 1€ so we can buy for 2 points a card that is worth 2€ etc. (there are more rules, but that isnt important for my question).
Im playing Firkraag Dragons and Goad and i have no idea how to upgrade the original precon reasonably. I have 8 points, so for example 8 1€ cards or 1 8€ card.
Anyone got some recommendation for good cards in firkraag that arent expensive?
rare void
Iam thinking about 2 Signets in a 3 color Deck i play like a 8-9 Powerlevel
and iam not sure if i should run them or just stay with the talisman
Sometimes 3 mana feel a little bit slow
nocturne imp
im thinking of making an equipment deck for [[wilson, refined grizzly]] and am debating between [[flaming fist]]/[[agent of the shadow thieves]]/[[sword coast sailor]]. having trouble deciding which one i should use
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Legendary Creature — Bear Warrior
This spell can't be countered.
Vigilance, reach, trample
Ward (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
2/2
graceful knot
I play agent of shadow wilson, the deathtouch indestructible trample is so worthwhile for ensuring that blocks do not in fact matter, and you can always attack into anything because of it. Sword Coast gives him too little benefit imo, but flaming fist is also great for all whites combat tricks and counter interaction
tight moat
Flaming Fist also lets you play enchantress along with Voltron via Auras
Or get all of the white Equipment support
So Flaming Fist sort of gives you the most options
opal roost
I’m looking to build a mono-black control deck that revolves around getting value off repeated casts of [[Saw in Half]]. So far I have [[Kokusho]], [[Junji]], and Gary as the payoffs, but are there any other good Saw in Half targets in mono-black?
rotund forge
[[Ravenous Chupacabra]]?
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tardy prawn
Wurmcoil engine?
rapid cloud
The triniforms. [[phyrexian triniform]] and the one from the Osgir deck.
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Golem
When Phyrexian Triniform dies, create three 3/3 colorless Phyrexian Golem artifact creature tokens.
Encore 
(, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
9/9
rapid cloud
[[triplicate titan]]
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rapid cloud
Kill your 9/9, get back 18 power/toughness
tight moat
Now what if I did that... Every turn
- Feldon
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abstract cobalt
I’m looking to build a mono-black control deck that revolves around getting valu...
[[Gray Merchant of Asmodel]]
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Creature — Zombie
When Gray Merchant of Asphodel enters the battlefield, each opponent loses X life, where X is your devotion to black. You gain life equal to the life lost this way. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to black.)
2/4
graceful knot
Now what if I did that... Every turn
- Feldon
[[piru the volatile]] yes.... what if...
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Legendary Creature — Elder Dragon
Flying, lifelink
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Piru, the Volatile unless you pay .
When Piru dies, it deals 7 damage to each nonlegendary creature.
Chasms of dueling energies course within her.
7/7
tight moat
royal pewter
Trying to decide 1 of the 3 commander options for zombie tribal. I want to do either Tormod (W. Friend) / Wilhelt as main win con is Gravecrawler + Phraltar for it.
manic violet
Would you say a codie genesis deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6iOyvm8kTs is power level like 4? (Lol cardsrealm calculator shows 1..) I mean counters and thassa win easily against it.. so it's not like Rog/Silas Ad Nauseum deck, what would you say? This just a fun deck that may win or like has enough bang at turn 4/5 to really go?
graceful knot
yo @raw token sorry for the tag but do you happen to have a list up for your Prime yet? my last bits for mine are arriving this week and while it feels mostly kinda there, it could definitely do with refinement...
What I have discovered is that my high curve makes cloning Combustible extremely funny
Oh I don't draw 3? Take 10 peasant
raw token
I may be misremembering, but I'm not sure what you are referring to? Sorry, its probably me being an idiot
If its an Optimus Prime list, its probably Carson you were talking to!
graceful knot
FUCK
Uhhhh most likely yes
You both have mainly blue pictures and now I feel terrible
I have been the fool
raw token
Haha, its okay!
graceful knot
I will try that again in an hour when the shame has left me...
raw token
Honestly I was panicing a little as saying I would upload a list and not getting to it sounds like me
There are things I am very organised on, but if I make a list on paper I often fail to get it uploaded
graceful knot
I think they were on a similar theme to me too (clone/blink) which was neat as most things I have seen for it are voltron or pure counters builds
I really need to get my paper lists online because they just simply are not rn
Makes talking about them harder lol
royal pewter
Hey all! Hope this is the right place to put this.
I've been rebuilding all my commander decks recently, taking them all apart and putting 'em back together from the ground up, migrating to Moxfield, writing primers etc. I've also been doing something I call Holistic Deckbuilding™️ where I'm building all the decks at once and only allowing one deck per card, so no getting extra copies/proxies of my favourites. This means if there's a cool (say) red card I really wanna run but isn't quite a good fit for the deck I had in mind, I'll try and find a home for it in another deck instead, basically always considering where the best home for a card would be rather than just getting multiple copies like I used to do. The effect of this is that there's more cards I get to play with overall, because there are no duplicates across my collection (Sol Ring being the current exception ... and lands, of course).
I've found it pretty enjoyable putting a deck together and thinking, 'oh hey this would be great in this other deck', and basically trading cards between decks to make both decks fresher. With only one copy of each, the cards feel like more valuable resources. When I draw a genuinely great card I appreciate it all the more because it's the only deck where I could have drawn the Dockside (for example). And it challenges me to find fun alternatives to what would be considered 'staples' to fill out other decks. The cards become tailored to the deck rather than just being packages of the same good draw, ramp etc to fill things out.
Better for your wallet, too :)
I just wanted to share incase anyone else wants to try it out, because I've really benefited from it
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tight moat
The Boros precon is essentially Rebel tribal, doing effectively the same thing, just with more Equipment synergy now, instead of poison
I can't wait to get it lol
rapid cloud
If anyone wants to put eyes on this list and suggest a cut or two I’d be very grateful. At this point I really don’t want adds, I want to get it cut down and then I can play test and decide if I want to make any more adds from there.
rapid cloud
Down to the Final Cut, someone stop me before I cut a land.
cloud prism
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/7xckD5EbD0aiiNHrdSWxmQ
Trying to figure out what else to add to this
[[glissa sunslayer]] attack/combat damage triggers galore
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Legendary Creature — Ogre Shaman
: Heartless Hidetsugu deals damage to each player equal to half that player's life total, rounded down.
Hidetsugu held over a dozen oni in blood oath. At his touch, rocks scorched. At his word, cities burned.
4/3
rotund forge
Do you think [[Unctus]] mono-U vehicles would be boring?
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rotund forge
[[Unctus, Grand]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Vedalken
Other blue creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card."
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a blue artifact in addition to its other colors and types. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or life.)
2/4
graceful knot
That seems like a cool use case tbh
rotund forge
It just seemed like an interesting use case for some cards like [[Silent Submersible]]
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rotund forge
And [[Alandra, Sky Dreamer]]
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frosty pike
deck sounds dope
rotund forge
Just need to finish cutting it down then. I always worry about mono-u decks. I love them but I don't want to make something that would be too uninteresting at this point.
royal pewter
I have an.. odd idea
UW Superfriends, which has been done before. But, with Shorikai as commander.
graceful knot
card advantage blockers and a wincon in the cz all at once, what a silly robot... Good stuff for superfriends though!
especially with all the tasty untap abilities on blue walkers. A couple of those ults are crazy with shorikai
royal pewter
I think you only go for planeswalkers who either draw or care about artifacts, but like
Karn, Narset, Teferi, Tezzeret. All of them either care about card draws, or artifacts.
Like um, I started running Hero of Dominaria because nostalgia piece. But I've found he can be legitimately hard for people to deal with, especially as I've likely accrued a bunch of board wipes. Moment THoD ults however? Game is functionally over as I've likely pumped up the draw from Shorikai to hell and back.
graceful knot
New Wanderer for sure too, card is bonks
works by itself and gives you a real boardstate
royal pewter
I think she's interesting, but I'm not sure if I would. She's definitely cute however.
I dont think I like it however, admittedly.
graceful knot
Any planeswalker that works entirely by itself for no drop in resource is worthwhile to me, but im a different kinda guy and id rather not play superfriends as wipe.dek which is how they mostly end up
royal pewter
I like this, as it likely has a wipe when needed, but it doesn't need to spam it
As the deck has a win con besides Superfriends
graceful knot
"what if shorikai just domed you 3 times" is pretty nice
royal pewter
Narset Transcendent is an auto include for example. As you're just checking top card of deck 3 turns, then staxing.
graceful knot
Plus any combo shenanigans
royal pewter
Shorikai is nice as he just needs to resolve 3 times to start smiling at folk
And, I do run the 2 vehicles which crew him without the pilots also
It does also mean you have a whole lot of non-creatures for Flux Channeler, neat
royal pewter
I need to remember Red Sun Twilight for whenever I get around to building Hinata, that seems a natural inclusion.
As just, getting to blow up and copy every artifact opp's control is pretty pog
rotund forge
[[Red Sun Twilight]]
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rotund forge
I worry that my brain both wants to use that on all my artifacts when they're indestructible AND hopes my husband never considers that for his Hinata.
abstract cobalt
In the middle of upgrading the Ixhel precon on a budget. Figure I’ll test the poison waters
royal pewter
I worry that my brain both wants to use that on all my artifacts when they're in...
It just feels a really good auto include. As it's good no matter what stage of the game you're at
Early game? Mana rocks are yours now
Late? Good gods the amount of targets
mossy marsh
@still hemlock was it you with the Precursor golem project or is my memory foggy from last year
still hemlock
that's me!
I had an izzet list last year, and I'm currently working on a bant list
what's up?
mossy marsh
I had an izzet list last year, and I'm currently working on a bant list
Was think white green or bant myself
Green adds the partner splicer but what's nice is you also gain this Lil gem
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mossy marsh
I mean in the deck, then again that would magical land
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mossy marsh
Right storm is not mage craft :sad_face:
@still hemlock thoughts on using birdbrain as the bant cmdr? Mystic forge cooked into the cmd zone for churning out golems via golem foundry and salvage splicer?
still hemlock
I mean, I'm planning to just put precursor golem in the command zone 😛
falco could work with enough setup
mossy marsh
[[Precursor golem]]
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mossy marsh
House rule?
still hemlock
house rule 🤷♂️
mossy marsh
Okay was like scratching my head on how you had Precursor in the zone xD
still hemlock
the izzet version had [[brudiclad]] in the zone with some other minor token stuff going on
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still hemlock
but it didn't do much without precursor golem
abstract cobalt
Looking for cards that involve both tokens and lifegain, in esper
rapid cloud
I’d start with the Alela lifegain EDHRec page. https://edhrec.com/commanders/alela-artful-provocateur/lifegain
abstract cobalt
Thx
rapid cloud
It’s mostly soul sister stuff tbh
But worth a look
Poor [[crested sunmare]] gets pulled out of my binder so often but never ends up making the cut for a deck
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rapid cloud
I really wanted to try it as a secret commander in a weird [[shameless charlatan]] deck
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ": This creature becomes a copy of another target creature."
You see your next disguise in every stranger's smile.
abstract cobalt
Almost nothing beyond the obvious in those Alela suggestions. Talking about my Marneus deck got me thinking how to add more lifegain to it, as that has been an issue for the deck. Soul sisters isn’t the worst idea, was looking for something more specific to the token theme. The most interesting suggestion was new Sheoldred. I hadn’t considered that, gaining two life for each card drawn in Marneus sounds interesting, as well as Sheoldred serving as a lightning rod protecting cards that matter more.
rapid cloud
Vito is obvious but that activated ability is a great game ender if you have a big board. Blocks don’t matter anymore if they lose life either way
abstract cobalt
I guess with the activated ability that makes sense. I had overlooked Vito as the deck doesn’t really gain life from other sources as it currently stands
rotund forge
Do they need to be on the same body?
Or does something like [[Griffin Aerie]] work where it's a delayed trigger for the lifegain.
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rapid cloud
I’ve run Vito as a wincon in go-wide decks that don’t have other lifegain and it’s super effective
abstract cobalt
Griffin Aerie is kind of a “adding tokens to a lifegain deck” sort of card, where I’m looking more for “adding lifegain to a tokens deck”. The deck currently is loaded with tokens and lacking life gain.
And the deck tends to lose life merely by existing
rotund forge
Mm.
rapid cloud
[[Angel of destiny]] also good in go-wide
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rotund forge
[[Wingmate Roc]] is possibly the best I'm seeing
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rapid cloud
Oh and my favorite [[path of bravery]]
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abstract cobalt
I think I’m likely to fall back on the soul sisters plan. The deck is tokens but not very aggressive. Soul Sisters works for the sit on the pile and watch it grow plan. I do like Vito as a wincon though, the deck can use another.
vivid pulsar
I probably should ask here, actually -- are there any good mono-red forms of card advantage which synergize with a burn strategy?
Ideally, they should do at least one of the following:
- Generate card advantage when I burn creatures/players
- Have a burn mode AND a card advantage mode (like several Chandra walkers)
- Be a noncreature card (or have moderately high toughness), so that I can slam Blasphemous Act without wiping out my own card advantage
Commander is [[Solphim, Mayhem Dominus]]!
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, it deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
, Discard two cards: Put an indestructible counter on Solphim, Mayhem Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
5/4
abstract cobalt
[[Risk Factor]]
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abstract cobalt
@vivid pulsar
still hemlock
[[soulfire eruption]]
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vivid pulsar
vivid pulsar
[[soulfire eruption]]
Card is great but I’m not convinced that I’ll consistently hit 9 mana honestly. Though I suppose it’s fine to have a few dead cards since my average game will involve discarding at least two cards (for Solphim’s indestructible ability)
still hemlock
Listen, it says “deal a bunch of damage and draw a bunch of cards” in red 🤷♂️
vivid pulsar
Hahaha fair
still hemlock
Plus between rituals, treasures, and Neheb 9 mana isn’t as hard as it sounds 😉
still hemlock
Also
It might get cut and that’s fine
But I’ve only ever lost one game after resolving a mana geyser
vivid pulsar
True! Card is a huge burst
rapid cloud
I’m leaning into loot effects and including Conspiracy Theorist and Containment construct plus currency converter and maybe the badgersaur. I figure I’ll definitely be discarding at least two cards per game so having those effects around can’t hurt anyway, and looting is efficient
Also there’s [[sin prodder]]
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rapid cloud
High risk but fun and thematic
And the red court gets monarch involved for extra draws while burning people
graceful knot
my buddy who's shtick is building weird shit is receiving his najeela SL soon, he wants to build it jank (he had a budget casual winota that he took apart for being too "boringly good" for context)
I have no idea how you would do this when the card runs itself but also has access to every legal card ever printed and works for any strategy, has anybody ever seen a genuinely casual oriented/jank najeela? What did it do differently?
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my buddy who's shtick is building weird shit is receiving his najeela SL soon, h...
Red green colors only, as warrior tribal
Or red WHITE even
graceful knot
Might push him into jund maybe, chaos warriors and all. Kamigawa has a lot of neat effects in boros for attacking alone with her, and I mentioned an exalted theme or plane specific thing. I like that shes good for companion builds too (that aren't jegantha)
Group hug also works as none of her effects are bound to you, the controller
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reef yacht
<@435869219041837077> try the embodiments
Oh neat
mossy marsh
[[Embodiment of fury]]
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reef yacht
I wish I knew how to search for cards that care about lands etb through scryfal without the Landfall keyword
rapid cloud
[[yedora]] is an auto include as board wipe insurance if you’ve mass animated your lands
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reef yacht
Also been tempted to just build Mono-Green [[Jolrael Empress]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Spellshaper
, , Discard two cards: All lands target player controls become 3/3 creatures until end of turn. They're still lands.
"I need no army. I have Jamuraa."
3/3
reef yacht
She… calls to me for some reason
mossy marsh
I just set restrictions to card text "land" set color identity format and types of permanent I am allowing
reef yacht
I just set restrictions to card text "land" set color identity format and types ...
Oh thanks. That can work
mossy marsh
Scryfall.com is great for remembering for you the mechanical components of a card. Oh I also set to most recent set rather than alphabetical
reef yacht
Would Jolrael be a viable commander?
Though she is more of a game-ender and boardwipe protection by making opponent’s lands into creatures
mossy marsh
[[Awaken the Woods]] [[life from limb]]
mossy marsh
[[Life and limb]]
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mossy marsh
Wait for awaken the woods to cool down a bit though
reef yacht
Yeah. I wanted to also do stuff with [[Kormus Bell]] and [[Urborg, Tomb]]
reef yacht
Also [[Living Plane]]
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mossy marsh
[[$Livinh plane]]
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rapid cloud
I run [[jetmir nexus]] as a landfall tokens/land animator deck
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rapid cloud
Eh I drop Jetmir after I’ve built the board so I don’t need haste
reef yacht
Idk. Raggadragga makes them more dangerous. Don’t like that Raggadragga needs to be on board tho, makes him removal magnet
mossy marsh
What was the snake spirit
reef yacht
What set?
mossy marsh
[[Patron of the Orochi]]
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Legendary Creature — Spirit
Snake offering (You may cast this card any time you could cast an instant by sacrificing a Snake and paying the difference in mana costs between this and the sacrificed Snake. Mana cost includes color.)
: Untap all Forests and all green creatures. Activate only once each turn.
7/7
reef yacht
Oh that dude. I have one laying about somewhere
mossy marsh
Big untap
reef yacht
I want to make degenerate shit but my wallet disagrees
Like I can make an artifact deck that is decent enough to hold its own, but, anything else, I need to buy. 😅
Ok i’ll be honest. I want to make a land-focused deck. I’m between either Mono-Green with Jolrael or Toski, gruul Raggadragga or Jund with og [[Xiria Arien]]
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Legendary Creature — Insect Wizard
Flying
, : Target player draws a card.
A regular guest at the Royal Masquerade, Arien is the envy of the Court. She appears in a new costume every hour.
1/2
mossy marsh
I cannot build artifacts for the life of me
reef yacht
My expertise is tokens and artifacts
mossy marsh
Want to build golems so bad
reef yacht
You’d need a combination of flicker effects, the Splicers and etb doublers. Almost a Brago deck tbh. Haven’t played with it yet.
mossy marsh
I wanna do WG or Bant though T_T
reef yacht
Hmmm… bant would give you access to blue and white where all the splicers are, but… uhhh… hmmm.
You can probably do [[Ich Techik]] with a white/blue partner
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reef yacht
[[Ick-Tekik]]
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[[Ich-Tekik]]
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mossy marsh
[[Salavage splicer]]
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mossy marsh
Bah
reef yacht
Yeah. So flicker effects can be done with him…
Hmmm.
[[Kelesh]]?? As a partner? Idk whay other parner commander would be good for it in white
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reef yacht
[[Keleth, Sunmare Familiar]]
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reef yacht
Or just use the piper for the colors
mossy marsh
I was thinking arm wrestling champ as a hidden cmdr
reef yacht
[[Arm Wrestling Champ]]
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mossy marsh
The salvage splicer
rapid cloud
Ich-Tekik with [[rebbec]] is my chosen golem pair
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reef yacht
Rebec also prevents you from targetting your stuff FYI
rapid cloud
Yeah but why would I want to do that
reef yacht
If you want to bounce your white Splicers like [[Blade Splicer]] or [[Master Splicer]]
reef yacht
Yeah. He can work in the 99
mossy marsh
No as cmdr
reef yacht
That and [[Mycosynth Golem]]
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Artifact creature spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost less to cast for each artifact you control.)
4/5
reef yacht
Oh
rapid cloud
That’s fair. Can always hold rebbec back to be an overrun of sorts when you’re ready to swing
mossy marsh
[[$mycosynth golem]]
reef yacht
Rebecc and Mycosynth Lattice is a game winner
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rapid cloud
But actually I have toyed with [[ghired]] Naya golems
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reef yacht
Used to be 15$ and it sucks. Had a chinese version but got rid of it because I don’t know the effect by heart
[[Ghired, conclave]]
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reef yacht
I need to update all my token decks to be more consistent. And figure out how to make an Orzhov token deck
rapid cloud
Yeah that one. Populate your golems, and gives you red artifact stuff and [[alibou]]
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reef yacht
Oh love the interaction. Boros is another color combo i cant make work
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Enchantment
Whenever a nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of that creature. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
mossy marsh
[[Tuktuk]]
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mossy marsh
[[Tuktuk the explorer]]
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rapid cloud
Unfortunately I had to give up the dream of Solphim devils, there just aren’t enough good token generators in mono red. So it’s Zurzoth for now with Solphim in the 99, and we pray that WotC keeps giving us more ways to make those juicy little 1/1s that love to go pop so that one day the Mayhem Dominus can take the helm.
There’s the first draft list, don’t sort by the tags they’re a mess from trying some different methods of brewing and I haven’t gotten to cleaning it up yet
It is very fun that [[fiendish duo]] is a devil
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royal pewter
More I reflect on it, the more I really just like ichormoon gauntlet as a card. I think it's definitely pushed design, but it also allows the possibility of superfriends outside of green.
Like I'm still juggling the idea of a Shorikai superfriends deck in my head, going through the logistics of it, and... it looks good? Ichormoon Gauntlet lets you pump really fast, and Shorikai is also able to keep untapping Chain Veil
whole swan
[[Shorikai]]
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Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
, : Draw two cards, then discard a card. Create a 1/1 colorless Pilot creature token with "This creature crews Vehicles as though its power were 2 greater."
Crew 8 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 8 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
Shorikai, Genesis Engine can be your commander.
8/8
royal pewter
Essentially, deck is standard artifact good stuff with shorikai as draw engine
But all your shorikai untappers also u tap chain veol
whole swan
Ah. I was wondering how Shorikai would direcrly untap stuff 😅
wind abyss
[[Shorikai]]
ive seen this deck as a control deck that polymorphs the pilots into big chunkers, a little different than a standard value deck
mossy marsh
Contemplating if there is enough equipment support in Esper for Bane, Lord of darkness to buff toughness to drop larger creatures into play with the self sac theme most people do
Like [[mask of grisselbrand]] [[bonehoard]] would be major includes
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has flying and lifelink.
Whenever equipped creature dies, you may pay X life, where X is its power. If you do, draw X cards.
Equip
The legacy of evil lives on.
Artifact — Equipment
Living weapon (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 0/0 black Phyrexian Germ creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +X/+X, where X is the number of creature cards in all graveyards.
Equip
rapid cloud
[[bane, lord]]
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mossy marsh
Or would it be to niche?
rapid cloud
It could be fun. Idk how strong but it seems like a cool idea. And with white you at least have equipment synergy/support.
rotund forge
Contemplating if there is enough equipment support in Esper for Bane, Lord of da...
There are some pretty high toughness equipment pieces. ex: [[Slagwurm Armor]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +0/+6.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
mossy marsh
I just know Esper has the artifact hardware/synergy just only known the precons of imperium 40k and dungeons esper.
I am a crats or cast multiple spells a turn mage at heart so bit out of my wheel house despite having a decent set of esper lands xD
rotund forge
nod I can understand that. I definitely like Esper a lot. I've been considering "defenders" Bane. Because I apparently need to make toughness matters decks and every Esper deck I can...
rapid cloud
Could check out the Ardenn/Silas Renn EDHRec page to get some basic ideas but I think it’s got enough support to work
mossy marsh
I just figure getting to 4 or 5 toughness unlocks nearly the entire "crats" so just getting 1 or 2 toughness is huge
rotund forge
rapid cloud
Ah yes [[sea legs]]
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mossy marsh
I been avoiding pitiless and phyrexian altar for no reason other than trying to avoid infinite. Due to oops infinite
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I been avoiding pitiless and phyrexian altar for no reason other than trying to ...
Respect
mossy marsh
Respect
Ashnods is a different story, I tend to end up with "finite" or burst that by design could fizzle
Ashnods at least requires enough card draw to filter back to color with signets ect
mossy marsh
https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Aesper+format%3Acommander+%28t%3Aaura+o...
Mortar pod seems interesting, grants a sac outlet, body and 0/+1 which is checking several boxes!!
Now I gotta brew myrs or Bane🤔
rapid cloud
Anyone built [[queen kayla]] and have some tips? I’m worried I’m fixating too much on trying to balance 1/2/3 drops and it should just be more of a reanimator deck across the board
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Legendary Creature — Human Noble
, : Discard all the cards in your hand, then draw that many cards. You may choose an artifact or creature card with mana value 1 you discarded this way, then do the same for artifact or creature cards with mana values 2 and 3. Return those cards to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/3
graceful knot
Honestly if all it does is wheel me repeatedly I'm happy. The getting stuff off her ability is just icing
rapid cloud
That’s fair. What would you build around to win off of then?
graceful knot
A bunch of 1-3s sounds like it'd make a decent equipment deck honestly. A lot of really solid cards in that mana range. Anything that cares about stuff being in grave works too. Zirda companion would be super cool.
I think it doesn't really push you into anything so you could be quite open with it still. Boros is more interesting than people give it credit for.
rapid cloud
Zirda companion/equips is a cool idea. I already have her in the 99 of the list.
I like it as an evolution of my old Osgir build, but more of a general reanimator and not so focused on artifact value town
graceful knot
I just built [[Lulu loyal]] [[guild artisan]] as like, "creatures with tap abilities and flyers" and it seems to be a pretty all round solid deck! Tapping etali to dome somebody for 6 then doing it for on their turn too for 7 with [[burning anger]] is a blast
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature attacks a player, if no opponent has more life than that player, you create two Treasure tokens." (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Your discerning eye for value makes you nearly impossible to swindle.
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has ": This creature deals damage equal to its power to any target."
"With rage as your forge, your hammer can smite anything."
rapid cloud
[[etali]]
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rapid cloud
[[etali primal]]
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graceful knot
Attack for the trigger, untap on end step, tap down as removal/burn when needed.
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Sorcery
Until end of turn, permanents you control gain ": This permanent deals 1 damage to any target."
"A single item acting as lantern and lance? Now that's military efficiency." —Brev Grezar, Boros lieutenant
graceful knot
all cause I wanted to use [[siege striker]] lol
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graceful knot
no, pinger taps are less effective than id like compared to other big tap effects in those colours
vehicles are wack for it
rapid cloud
Oh fair. Yeah I’ll have to take a look at my list and see how far off from Zirda companion I am, I imagine it’s not too far
reef yacht
So trying to get my breya deck close to cEDH (as close to the line as possible) and aside from Tutors which are in my to do list, Is there anything I should know I’m not aware of I should add and cut? I need to add card draw too. Just need a quick reference
opal roost
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PiKX9AvP60mTUJ4gF8vdBQ
Very basic green ramp deck. Goal is to assemble additional land drops + a crucible of worlds effect to constantly get lands out.
Am I missing anything super obvious?
tardy prawn
[[Primeval Protector]]
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Creature — Avatar
This spell costs less to cast for each creature your opponents control.
When Primeval Protector enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control.
The earth shook in support of their cause, offering a champion of its own.
10/10
tardy prawn
Often in the 1-4 mana range, enters as a... 17/17 haste with Runadi? And then also gives all your other stuff counters.
tardy prawn
Should prolly run [[Dryad Arbor]]
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Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has ": Add .")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1
opal roost
Forgot about Dryad Arbor. Good call.
barren light
I’ve found myself in a bit of an EDH rut and am looking for outside inspiration. Which commanders do you folks find to be the most fun (however you interpret that) to pilot and also to play against?
tranquil cove
What are some good dimir Wincon cards/combos? I have a [[Tasha, the Witch Queen]] deck that I've found can get me into some good board states, but I have trouble getting anything out that really finishes things for me. Any suggestions?
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rapid cloud
If you're running a fair amount of instants/sorceries yourself, [[Candlekeep Inspiration]] can help those tokens get through. Are you looking to finish off with your tokens specifically, or just any old wincon?
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rapid cloud
Tasha also wants to mill opponents, so you could run stuff like Mindcrank, Altar of the Brood, Mesmeric Orb, Altar of Dementia to accelerate that, but mill as a wincon can be tough without a combo (which is also doable)
Kicked [[Maddening Cacophony]] alongside [[Baral]] wins the game (and both are good on their own).
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Sorcery
Kicker
Each opponent mills eight cards. If this spell was kicked, instead each opponent mills half their library, rounded up.
Jace traced Nahiri to the Singing City, but the magic of the ancient ruins threatened to overwhelm his mind.
rapid cloud
Not Baral, [[Bruvac]]
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tranquil cove
If you're running a fair amount of instants/sorceries yourself, [[Candlekeep Ins...
really any old win con, but i'm interested in how the tokens can be turned into one
rapid cloud
Yeah if I were building Tasha I’d lean into the mill wincon and then have some ways to utilize the tokens either to get more mill like mindcrank and the altars, or with pump effects (kinda rare in blue though)
tranquil cove
awesome, thank you for the advise! really appreciate it
graceful knot
I use tasha as an engine to [[knowledge pool]] and either teferi or Arcane lab lock the game state and then cast my opponents graves forever without interruption and slowly beat folk to death with 3/3s.
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graceful knot
But that's not as fast/ fun as others, just a pet card that's already good in tasha (haha make demons) plus a little spice
tardy prawn
Huh. [[Nimble Extortionist]]
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tardy prawn
[[Nimble Obstructionist]]
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Creature — Bird Wizard
Flash
Flying
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Nimble Obstructionist, counter target activated or triggered ability you don't control.
3/1
tardy prawn
That could let you get a spell through knowledge pool lock. Neat.
sweet forum
Not sure if I should start a whole thread, but I’m working on my “Modular” Dragon deck, and need some help fleshing out the shell of the deck
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/On3V4YtZE02Y5KqVSMcN_w
The current list is missing almost all creatures because the plan is shuffle a random selection of dragons into the deck every time I play it, with the shell largely remaining intact
So what I really need help with is mana base, support spells, and non-creature permanents
reef yacht
So I need some card draw in this deck and idk what to cut to add the spells I have on the side.
rotund forge
I don't see anything in the sideboard?
reef yacht
I don't see anything in the sideboard?
I made it all with stuff I had laying about and haven’t added anything to considering. I have stuff here at home and kinda have an idea on what to add. Just wanted suggestions on cuts. My fault for not being clear
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reef yacht
I’ve only played the deck once and found out it needs more card draw. Also superion is kinda badass since I can make him bigger and I have ways to cheat him out without using myrs to cast
reef yacht
[[Myr Superion]] is a card I've wanted to like and always ends up clunky.
Most of the stuff I’ve considered cutting are the non-myr creatures like Sai and such. Mainly just bcuz they don’t do much to advance my boardstate. Probs replacing them with stuff like Jhoira card draw, the Necron that draws me cards and such. Shimmer dragon. Etc.
rotund forge
Yeah. I had made a myr deck ages ago and that definitely has influenced my view of it.
But that was also original Jor Kadeen and like 2011.
reef yacht
Yeah. I had made a myr deck ages ago and that definitely has influenced my view ...
So far I want to add Thought Vessel, Shimmer Dragon, Encroaching Mycosynth (Maybe Mycosynth Lattice is better over this), Arcum Dagsson, Akroma’s Memorial, Ashnod’s Altar and Rhystic study, but idk what to cut
rotund forge
Is enthusiastic mechanist as the cost reducer just because you had one easily on hand?
reef yacht
Is enthusiastic mechanist as the cost reducer just because you had one easily on...
I have to admit i have about 10 of those in my bulk
Kinda want to add Mirrorworks back because I forgot I can do my fav janky combo in this deck
feral fable
Anyone know what the ruling is when using Worlds Beyond cards and their refaced versions? For example, since they have different printed names, can you run E Honda, Sumo Champion in the command zone while running Baldin, Century Herdmaster in the 99?
still hemlock
you cannot. As far as the game is concerned, they have the same name
sweet forum
Anyone know what the ruling is when using Worlds Beyond cards and their refaced ...
On the Universes Within version it’ll say on the bottom “SLD=###” and match the same collector number as the Beyond version
feral fable
you cannot. As far as the game is concerned, they have the same name
Cool. That's what I figured but wanted to make sure. Thanks!
feral fable
On the Universes Within version it’ll say on the bottom “SLD=###” and match the ...
Cool, thanks!
rotund forge
Kinda want to add Mirrorworks back because I forgot I can do my fav janky combo ...
That's always a good reason to add those back in.
reef yacht
That's always a good reason to add those back in.
So far the deck is slow. I may need to add ramp to the deck too. Is so hard to so in an artifact focused deck. I usually don’t need ramp spells. I think I may be out of my depth with this thing haha. I’ll make a deck building post about this later.
rotund forge
I finally finished a playable draft of the Boros Blink Dragons deck idea I had. I'm looking forward to trying it tonight because it's theoretically the highest mana value deck I've ever made. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/xi2AQg08pEqxo1XAu1ooDA
young patrol
If I wanted to enchant each permanent with a song of the dryads, are there ways to make that many copies of it?
Maybe something with estrid's invocation?
Ivy with aura graft on isochron Sceptre?
rotund forge
[[Radiate]] or [[Radiant Performer]] should work right?
rotund forge
OK not radiate. I misremembered it
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Slower way would be [[Followed Footsteps]]
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frosty pike
What are your go-to unconditional draw spells? Building [[Ganax Astral Hunter]] and [[Feywild Visitor]] on a budget and am looking to up the draw spell count
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Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever Ganax, Astral Hunter or another Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/4
young patrol
Skullclamp + Trinket Mage?
I'm often playing a critical mass of common looters that loot without mana investment.
Given that you're doing combat, you can also consider monarch and initiative.
But for drawing specifically, I tend not to play many bulk draw spells but I like Manafold Insights and Fact or Fiction for my purposes.
Enclave Cryptologist straddles both sides of that
young patrol
https://scryfall.com/card/c21/54/radiant-performer
I'm actually super excited about this because the deck already has four cantripping land auras that would draw gobs of cards while making a dumb number of constellation triggers / devotion.
tardy prawn
Fact or Fiction is top tier generic draw spell
young patrol
How would [[Bladegryff Prototype]] work with Radiant Performer?
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glacial spear
Hey I have a quick question. Are there any mass reanimation effects along the lines of [[Living Death]] in Temur colors (or colorless)
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sweet forum
How would [[Bladegryff Prototype]] work with Radiant Performer?
I want to say it just blows up every non land permanent you don’t control
tardy prawn
[[Grimoire of the Dead]]
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Legendary Artifact
, , Discard a card: Put a study counter on Grimoire of the Dead.
, Remove three study counters from Grimoire of the Dead and sacrifice it: Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. They're black Zombies in addition to their other colors and types.
tardy prawn
Hey I have a quick question. Are there any mass reanimation effects along the li...
I think that's the only option
glacial spear
thank you!
young patrol
I want to deck my opponents with [[Grothama]] in Gruul
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young patrol
It seems like the effort of making a creature arbitrarily large would also be sufficient to just kill a player in combat or through some other means though
rotund forge
To deck everyone else though wouldn't you have to make their creatures total power larger than the size of their deck?
young patrol
Yes
Or make one creature really big and just fight it
or make Grothama an indestructible creature with 0 power and fight a bunch of times and then sacrifice it
rotund forge
Just wondering, has anyone tried [[Symmetry Matrix]] in any decks?
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Artifact
Whenever a creature with power equal to its toughness enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay . If you do, draw a card.
"Achieving perfection is simple. Watch, I'll do it twice." —Mishra
rotund forge
I'm trying to figure out if the performance I had was normal or not.
I know it technically is a do nothing artifact but it felt really easy to trigger in the mid-late game in token decks.
When a lot of w or r are card neutral or symmetrical.
graceful knot
its a do nothing in the same way that mentor of the meek is, it might be on paper but its rate of draw is really something to behold once it sticks
rotund forge
nod
Keeping a reliably full grip of cards and multi-spelling with the boros dragon list I made between it and [[Idol of Oblivion]] was wild.
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
: Draw a card. Activate only if you created a token this turn.
, , Sacrifice Idol of Oblivion: Create a 10/10 colorless Eldrazi creature token.
"Arise, great one, and cleanse the world of our enemies!"
glacial spear
Keeping a reliably full grip of cards and multi-spelling with the boros dragon l...
i love this card in my Kemba list
reef yacht
So one of my Wishes to make a good EDH deck out of [[Xira Arien]] og card and I’d like ideas. I considered MLD but scrapped it. Anyone got any good ideas
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Legendary Creature — Insect Wizard
Flying
, : Target player draws a card.
A regular guest at the Royal Masquerade, Arien is the envy of the Court. She appears in a new costume every hour.
1/2
reef yacht
Group hug?
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
not that one... [[Mad Ratter]]
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rotund forge
Also apparently I failed at syntax and vowels... [[Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 green Cat creature token.
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
"Humans bring nothing but suffering and deceit. They are not welcome in my forest."
1/2
zealous condor
Looking to put together 2 commander decks, picks up Windgrace pre con to upgrade and still looking for another Commander to build out. First time building and playing in paper, any recs for second deck are welcome! Apologies if this isn’t the right place for this
rotund forge
Looking to put together 2 commander decks, picks up Windgrace pre con to upgrade...
Hello! I have two questions. How long have you been playing? What sort of decks have you liked playing (on Arena/MTGO, drafts or 60 card paper formats)?
zealous condor
Hello! I have two questions. How long have you been playing? What sort of decks ...
Hi! I’ve only been playing since Kamigawa, so a little over a year. (So not very long) I’ve really enjoyed Mono White midrange, Rakdos Midrange, Selesnya.
Typically play Standard, but on draft I tend to go more for Rakdos
rotund forge
Have you looked at the starter decks? I've heard that both the Rakdos deck and the Selesnya ones there are good starting points.
If you can find the AFR Prosper deck (Planar Portal) I know that one is also popular but I'm not sure about its current price.
zealous condor
Have you looked at the starter decks? I've heard that both the Rakdos deck and t...
I’ve taken a look before but might need to spend some time seeing what a potential upgrade path would look like for me
zealous condor
If you can find the AFR Prosper deck (Planar Portal) I know that one is also pop...
Prices don’t seem too bad, appreciate the rec!
rotund forge
If you go to build your own (there has only been one mono-W precon) based on Mono-White midrange decks in standard and W commanders: Giada, Elesh Norn (ONE), Lyra, Ao the Dawn Sky, or Teshar (if you don't go the combo route) might all work.
But going with the precon, especially when you're first starting, just makes more sense to me personally. If only for lower initial investment.
zealous condor
If you go to build your own (there has only been one mono-W precon) based on Mo...
This is super helpful!!! I really appreciate it
zealous condor
But going with the precon, especially when you're first starting, just makes mor...
Yea precon might be the least overwhelming for now. So many options
rotund forge
I've been playing the format for a decade and I still will work on a deck and get stuck on cutting the last 10 cards for several months. 🙃
zealous condor
I've been playing the format for a decade and I still will work on a deck and ge...
Hahaha I fully expect it, been listening to some podcasts lately and seems that once something is working and you get used to it, always difficult to make changes (don’t ‘fix’ something that’s not broken lol)
rotund forge
For some people yeah. I try to keep working on decks and update it when it hits a point I think it could be a significant improvement
rotund forge
So, I found out there's going to 2HG Commander games at Commandfest Richmond. If my husband and I were building two decks for that, what do you think the best commander choices would be?
I've been thinking [[Kenrith, the Returned]] should be one but I don't know if it should be [[Shadrix Silverquill]], [[Gluntch, the Bestower]] or if there's an even better one to look at.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
: All creatures gain trample and haste until end of turn.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Target player gains 5 life.
: Target player draws a card.
: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under its owner's control.
5/5
rotund forge
The unfun option would be 2x thoracle consult decks.
vivid pulsar
So, I found out there's going to 2HG Commander games at Commandfest Richmond. If...
One deck has counterspells and takes extra turns (since turns are shared)
The other deck plays for some kind of non-combat wincon
That's generally been my experience with the most successful 2HG EDH decks
rotund forge
Interesting. I was wondering
@vivid pulsar I'm working on a zedruu x blim deck pair and they fit into that pattern
Except zedruu also has ugin's nexus and only has "target player" extra turns
mossy marsh
So taking my crack at "sweaty hands/high power" and opting for 
MLD/ Enchantress - Sagas. Please direct comments to #1055291026874568764
Decklist: https://archidekt.com/decks/3453744
rotund forge
I think I have mostly workable drafts for the idea except I still need to cut 1 card from Zedruu.
quick ingot
anyone familiar with general or boros in general have any inishgts on cards i could have missed before i buy the missing cards? Looking for cool synergy cards, left out staples on purpose
warm salmon
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/y8WBrPLny0mtc4j7Wg4V1g
After playing with my first deck, I got the itch to make another one, and Isshin looks too cool to pass up, I'm trying to think of other attack triggers that won't make this more expensive than it already is, and would yall consider 35 lands too many?
graceful knot
I would consider 35 too few by about 3
deep crypt
I'd love to use Gandalf the Grey as a commander, in theory, but i'm not hyped about his abilities, does anyone have a suggestion about him?
i'm usually not a great deck builder, so i'd love a second opinion about him
whole swan
Wait for the other Gandalfs to be previewed. There is no use to building a deck months before release anyways
deep crypt
oh for sure i'm gonna consider also the other 2 gandalfs, but izzet is my favourite color combination, so i was hoping to use The Grey
raw token
How strong do you want to go? How do your games usually play out?
deep crypt
def not competitive, i like to play tuned decks with clear win plans but in a casual setting
i was trying for a while to find a nice spellslinger deck but i haven't found yet something i like, so maybe gandalf could be it
raw token
The Greys big ability is the spell copy, so plan around that, the untapping is not so great but nothing stops you copying something, burning folks, then play a cantrip to put him on top and immediately draw him to be ready to go next turn
graceful knot
blink spells in blue exist and probably have some kind of combo
but all the effects are useful by themselves
raw token
[[Twinning Staff]] seems like a good friend of his
hollow latchBOT
Artifact
If you would copy a spell one or more times, instead copy it that many times plus an additional time. You may choose new targets for the additional copy.
, : Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
deep crypt
blink spells in blue exist and probably have some kind of combo
true blinking him would be a refresh and more mana efficient i guess, but i wonder how many such effects would i need to put into the deck
graceful knot
Depends what the rest of the deck does!
deep crypt
https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/383/twinning-staff
true, nice
graceful knot
You could focus into it and just be an izzet blink deck, blue for advantage and blink, red for rituals and spell copies and both for etbs
But there's not a huge amount. Probably enough to be useful though
But that is likely the least fun way to do it lol
deep crypt
the problem is i already have an inalla etb deck, so an izzet one would be kinda redundant
graceful knot
Yeah I totally see that
deep crypt
https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/383/twinning-staff
i could go all in with doubling / coping spell matter
i've been also suggested by a friend a topdeck singergy, but i'm not sure if i see it
tranquil cove
Is there any way to make an oil counter EDH deck with oil counters as the main focus? Or are there too few cards centered around the mechanic for it? Specifically with [[Migloz, Maze Crusher]]
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Beast
Migloz, Maze Crusher enters the battlefield with five oil counters on it.
, Remove an oil counter from Migloz: It gains vigilance and menace until end of turn.
, Remove two oil counters from Migloz: It gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
, Remove three oil counters from Migloz: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
4/4
graceful knot
its definitely possible though I wouldnt say that migloz is a particularly great choice for it
tranquil cove
Who would you say is the best choice?
graceful knot
Its got a reasonably middling ceiling also, like there is synergy but not a lot and you'll have to put work in to decide your wincons
Something that has access to blue for all the proliferation support honestly, if you can find a nice temur commander id say roll with that but its perfectly doable with migloz it just might not be very consistent
tranquil cove
Ah fair enough. Just had fun using oil counters at a prelrelease and figured I'd ask others if it was something to build.
graceful knot
best thing for migloz i think is trying to use greens limited self-bounce effects to keep him oiled up on demand
like he is pretty chonky if you spend mana on his abilities but the limited uses etc. may become an issue in longer games
tranquil cove
Ah yeah, I used the haste phyrexian that gives 2 counters as a way to put more counters on stuff. And I pulled vorinclex that puts more counters on, plus a few creatures that can proliferate
rotund forge
I wonder if [[Riku, of the Two Reflections]] could be a good oil counter temur commander.
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may pay . If you do, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of that creature.
2/2
rotund forge
Oh or [[The Swarmlord]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
since it doesn't care about what type of counters the creature had on it.
vivid pulsar
For anyone who has a landfall deck, how many lands do you run? Of those, how many are basic?
rotund forge
RG omnath has 38 lands (40 w mdfc) 24 of those are basics
Ich tekik/akiri have 36 lands with 18 basics
Tatyova was similar to omnath
I run [[Gaea's Touch]] though
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Enchantment
: You may put a basic Forest card from your hand onto the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery and only once each turn.
Sacrifice Gaea's Touch: Add .
snow vessel
I'm debating Mono green and mono white
I want to do things and not fumble and fall
rotund forge
@snow vessel Do you mean that you're looking at playing them because that's happening when you play the other colors?
vivid pulsar
I'm debating Mono green and mono white
I want to do things and not fumble and fa...
- Less gender-specific profanity (and less profanity in general), please -- this is an all-ages server 🙂
- What do you want the deck to do? Are you having a problem where you die too early?
snow vessel
1) Less gender-specific profanity (and less profanity in general), please -- thi...
Edited post as informed!
I want to be able to make plays early on. I often feel my decks end up high cmc and it just doesn’t work
snow vessel
<@144882165744664576> Do you mean that you're looking at playing them because th...
I picked these colors due to their power scale and budget friendl ness
Any suggestions for theme or commanders would be appreciated
quaint notch
I think im goign to start brewing a Skrelv Voltron deck. I don't have his hive yet but to heck with it
rare void
Is [[Llanowar Elves]] a Good joice for 5 Color Creature Heavy deck?
hollow latchBOT
Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
As patient and generous as life, as harsh and merciless as nature.
1/1
still hemlock
It’s pretty far down the list of dorks that are good in a 5c deck
rare void
thx
tropic kindle
i'm at my nonsense again. today i'm trying to make a Swords tribal. now obviously this'll have to include all the Swords of X and Y (and some other cards that incidentally have a Sword in it.). the question is: what would make a good commander for this deck
rotund forge
[[Balan]]?
hollow latchBOT
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Cat Knight
First strike
Balan, Wandering Knight has double strike as long as two or more Equipment are attached to it.
: Attach all Equipment you control to Balan.
"What weapon will you bear against one who's mastered them all?"
3/3
rotund forge
New Kemba or Jor Kadeen too. I'm just trying to think of cards that wouldn't be messed up by color protections.
tropic kindle
hm. these do look useful
reef yacht
Re-made my Saskia deck yesterday from the ground up. Looking for someone to give it a quick look and see if it’s up to stuff.
astral ember
I would start the post with a question:
What is the difference between cEdh and EDH?
For some it is the use of combos, for others it is the use of top mana rocks, I could go on and on because there is no clear and precise difference.
I am a player of both cEDH and EDH and although I continue to create decks without too many strong and expensive cards I always have the same problem, for some my deck is fine but for others my deck is too much. My opinion is that I think a lot of EDH players assemble decks not following the parameters of the game:
Drawing too many lands doesn't like anyone, having too high an amount of high-cost spells is not convenient, it makes us unresponsive is too passive during the game, then why can't EDH decks be assembled following the parameters of cEDH decks?
Why not use accessible cards is very performant like "Monkey spirit guide" , "dispel", "mystic elf" or "jewelled amulet"?
To solve this problem I decided to create decks composed of only commons and uncommons but following the parameters of cEDH, I leave 2 links in description, I would like to know what you think. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Em9rUtME2UmY2UU10gUDLA - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TDWeOH9MD06HoZmOyfP84A
upbeat temple
I’m working on a 5c creature combo list with a reanimator subtheme atm. The deck has 10 fetches 10 duals and most shocklands, as well as most of the better 5c lands (e.g. City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Exotic Orchard)
I have a slot that is dedicated for a direct draw spell, and I’m torn between a few options. Here are my top contenders:
- [[ Painful Truths ]]
- [[ Shadow Prophecy ]]
- [[ Fact or Fiction ]]
Painful Truths is a reliable draw 3 lose 3, but it’s sorcery speed.
Shadow Prophecy can be up to peek 5 draw 2 and is instant, but it does not synergize with the 5c lands. Selectively putting things in the graveyard is good for the reanimation.
FoF is classic and would be good, the only negative aspect is it being a 4 drop instead of 3.
I think I’m leaning most towards FoF or Painful Truths, but anyone have a take on this on what they’d prefer to run?
Decklist: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/v0kucjyeRkG7HUTxlv45OA
opal roost
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/guZ6_Dm2Vk2GHHNOpNo9Ug
Can I get some help? I need to make 4 cuts before I start working on the manabase. The gimmick of the deck is that it runs every single creature that can be played for 0 unconditionally. Scion lets us go into Ancient Brass Dragon as an additional reanimation piece or Ancient Silver Dragon to draw into stuff, with Klauth serving as a haste enabler that refunds the mana spent to give Scion haste.
rotund forge
OK, so, the new knight commander, do you think exalted auras, flash or mill?
graceful knot
Flash to take advantage of Nymris?
I think auras is wasted here compared to the all time great fairy, but the other two are cute ideas
rotund forge
Well there's the new knight in the secret lair
that gives all your auras exalted
Hopefully this works [[Xenk]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
And it's in the right colors to also have Bruna and [[Sovereigns of Lost Alara]]
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
Xenk doesn't show up on Moxfield for some reason
There are other flash knights though in addition to Nymris
Who's the great fairy? I'm not familiar with that nickname.
Alela?
Esper knights with flash: https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aknight+o%3Aflash commander:esper
rotund forge
@prime snow What are you looking for from a mono-U commander?
prime snow
<@189054466996174848> What are you looking for from a mono-U commander?
not sure, i feel like something to get my ADHD brain to pay attention during people's turns is the biggest piroity, with the side piro of having an excuse to use my Mystic Archive [[mind's desire]] in somehting
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
nod Have you looked at [[Najal, the Storm Runner]]?
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Legendary Creature — Efreet Wizard
You may cast sorcery spells as though they had flash.
Whenever Najal, the Storm Runner attacks, you may pay . If you do, when you cast your next instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.
5/4
rotund forge
I know not mono-U but something that works well with cards like Minds Desire.
And enables sorceries at instant speed on its body.
Oh! [[Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios]] possibly? You can do her as mostly mono-U.
hollow latchBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Discard a card: Return Jadzi, Oracle of Arcavios to its owner's hand.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a nonland card, you may cast it by paying rather than paying its mana cost. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield.
5/5
Journey to the Oracle
Sorcery
You may put any number of land cards from your hand onto the battlefield. Then if you control eight or more lands, you may discard a card. If you do, return Journey to the Oracle to its owner's hand.
To find Jadzi, one need only wander.
prime snow
Yeah that oculd work too. I don't need it to be mono U, but I don't have the best mana base so I think keeping it to 2 colors might be for the best.
Jadzi might be interesting for a ramp + spell deck too. I haven't tried UG yet but I have a few good UG lands.
Hm
rotund forge
These are my current mono U decks: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_MzRStFvYE-iX9zZ6Cac2Q
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/K-AIVoukbkujSDDlVZAYIw
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/twrPU29D2EyuS2-54N_OhQ
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1O0sU8xUNUGS3rwfaG5bNQ
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FC-9ZS_NrkW42OU-Q5noOA
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kCFnXV60dkmJw9QqWoRDhg
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/e3xSpzKJ4UCXVBUlr6DTUA (this currently has ~102 cards in the list because I'm doing an update)
prime snow
[[kefnet]] is neat for landful stuff
hollow latchBOT
rotund forge
This doesn't look like it posted https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kCFnXV60dkmJw9QqWoRDhg
It's not that kefnet, [[God Eternal Kefnet]]