More tarot cards / QP2 mods

[smoky isle]

Now it's just pure stacking skills

[teal swan]

just prepare for an 60 long i piece drought

[jovial nimbus]

For how failing to cancel with this works, I guess DELAYED PIECE SPAWN entry and 300 GARBAGE ARE?

[warm osprey]

Well it really is ×3

×4 is maybe you're playing tyrant

[warm osprey]

Well even tyrant wouldn't appear easily, it required to survive at least 8 mins 20 sec on F1

[wet moss]

?

[wet moss]

here from teh future: if there's 2 bombs in a garbage line, you have to clear both of them to clear it. (source: Dimentio's Doomsday during '6 wide + 2 wide' ruleset. that might change if this ever implemented, idk)

[south swallow]

very funny …..

just the former

[jovial nimbus]

Garbage entry delay is to slow down, just so the slow and painful demise part makes sense.

[elfin frigate]

ok what about this

conversion

tarot card: death

in every 7-bag, select 2 pieces

and say it with me

convert the LEFT piece...

into the RIGHT piece

[dark fjord]

Omg balatro

[indigo ferry]

The Sun
The most bottom row of coloured minos (without garbage minos in that row) evaporates.
Evaporation rate increases per floor.
-# Q=mcΔt

• The hue of the minos will gradually turn white before evaporating.

[void lotus]

i dont like the flavor text but other than that its a cool idea

[indigo ferry]

I changed it to the original flavor text, tho it's a bit on the borderline

[elfin frigate]

that one's even WORSE

[indigo ferry]

Here. Take it or leave it

[elfin frigate]

that's the best we're gonna get lmao

the one before that sounded very overly sexual lmao

[indigo ferry]

I didn't like it either but who knows

I want to do a cooking reference like searing a steak or smth, can't think of smth great

[void lotus]

remember that it's okay to not include flavor text if you don't have ideas you like

[tepid shadow]

idk if its been requested before

and its kinda silly idea

how about s1 ruleset card

that doesnt allow allspin at all and b2b is chained instead of surged

[void lotus]

interesting

but what about it + allspin

[tepid shadow]

make it so u cant combine allspin maybe

[void lotus]

mmm ehh

[tepid shadow]

if there is way more tarot cards some will not be combinable anyway

i think

[indigo ferry]

Make it a reverse then

[void lotus]

reverse modifier with no base modifier

[elfin frigate]

you must play 30000m on the non-existent base mod to unlock the reverse mod

[fringe lion]

Does evaporation trigger gravity?

Does it move the lines above downward or leave the upper lines floating?

[fringe lion]

My idea of the sun:

The Sun

The topmost coloured row periodically turning white and disappears. The rate of disappearance increases as you stack closer to the top, and also as you climb to the higher floors.

-# Do not stack too close to the sun.

The Sun Reversed -- The Fall of Icarus

Garbage falls from above instead of rising up from below. The bottom-most row of your coloured stack periodically disappears and leave the rest floating.

-# You flew too close to the sun. Your wings were clipped. Now you are to drown in the sea of your own hubris.

Removing lines from the top is going to be pretty evil

It means your spin setups will be ruined every few moments

As for garbage falling from above... just ask puyo puyo players

[indigo ferry]

Yes

[indigo ferry]

I'll just stack a bunch of I-minos on one side and chill

Pretty exploitable by mech heart ngl

[fringe lion]

Yeah, spin-setups is the definition of "flying too close to the sun"

You're forced to play 6-3

Or sneak in some TSDs at your own risk

[indigo ferry]

So it's just a 40L in disguise

[fringe lion]

Mayhaps

[indigo ferry]

Would be a nightmare to play this with all spin

[fringe lion]

Icarus is going to be pretty chaotic to play though

[indigo ferry]

Or that's just talentless lmao

[indigo ferry]

Consider how miserable it feels when playing damnation, meh

[fringe lion]

It's going to be a different kind of misery though

Damnation garbage can't be cancelled, but only rolling in 2 for each non-clears

It still leave your top setups intact

If you can't cancel Icarus garbage, it means your whole setup is ruined and you have to start over on top of the garbage lines that had just fallen

And god forbid there's more than 8 lines of garbage in the queue

[indigo ferry]

Does the garbage behaves like puyopuyo garbage?

[fringe lion]

Not quite

[teal swan]

is it just "bam 4 rows of garbage but theres nothing below the hole so die lmao"

[fringe lion]

The base of the fallen garbage will rest on top the highest part of your stack

[indigo ferry]

The garbage has to be instantaneous then

[fringe lion]

Yeah

[fringe lion]

I suppose you can exploit that with I-piece on regular sun. Which means you have less I-piece for something else, but at least you can do spins.

[indigo ferry]

Reverse: Black Hole
The base of the board is replaced by a black hole (endless pit). All rows (coloured minos, garbage lines, permanent lines) will sink into the endless pit at a continuous speed. The sinking rate increases per floor. 10 permanent lines is given at the start. Game will end by topping out or if the board is empty.

• permanent line debuff will be reducing board height instead.
• When garbage lines come into the board, all rows stop sinking until the all garbage lines are recieved. (to avoid jank, garbage lines only come in when the rows on the board are aligned with the grid lines)
• clutch clear is disabled.
• you can only climb by sending attack or cancelling garbage (to avoid stalling even tho stalling does very linited benefit)
  -# Everything will be emerged to a singularity.

[void lotus]

that kinda goes hard actually

[elfin frigate]

honestly

it's awesome

it kinda does the thing that does, where it gives you a buff and a nerf simultaneously

[void lotus]

i assume the run just ends if there is nothing left to suck in

[fringe lion]

I think the each line sunken should enter your garbage queue

[indigo ferry]

Yeah. It looks dumb to hard drop pieces into the void directly lol

[void lotus]

i dont agree tbh

well

maybe

[indigo ferry]

That would be out of theme

Also, that would be so annoying when every sec the board stop for a garb line

It feels like your gears aren't greased and keep getting stuck

[void lotus]

well

[elfin frigate]

can the lines stop sinking when there is a fractional amount of lines?

[void lotus]

wouldnt the sucking be per-tile too

or

[fringe lion]

Object won't simply disappear upon falling into black hole. They emit energy as they're being torn apart and fallen into the event horizon.

[void lotus]

does it actually animate between tiles

[indigo ferry]

If the board is empty, the whole board will just collapses into nothingness(gg)

[elfin frigate]

oh btw

[fringe lion]

Or, if the board is empty, the black hole begins sucking down the board height

[elfin frigate]

you know how in real life

black holes do this thing after a while called hawking radiation?

maybe that could be a debuff like 15 minutes down the line

where your board goes KABOOM and sends 4 lines of garbage to everyone in the same floor

board go kaboom = die

[void lotus]

nuh.

[elfin frigate]

yuh.

[fringe lion]

Nah, just make the black hole permanently eat the board height instead if there's nothing else to feed it

Instead of instant gg

[void lotus]

simulating a huge surge break is bad maybe

[elfin frigate]

it's 4 lines to like a couple dozen people

[indigo ferry]

You can't do anything if there's nothing on the board anyway

[void lotus]

which is a >100 surge break.

[elfin frigate]

alright then what about like

people within 30m of you

[fringe lion]

But you can still place the block?

[elfin frigate]

for higher floors that's like 4-5 people

[void lotus]

just like

discard the garbage idea maybe

sorry

[elfin frigate]

after that, make it eat your next previews and your hold piece and your APM display and your climb speed meter and your PPS display

[fringe lion]

Nah

[indigo ferry]

You can hard pieces into the endless pit yeah but you can't build at all right?

[elfin frigate]

the black hole will eat anything

even your apm display

[fringe lion]

if you can hard drop fast enough and make the floating platform smh

Not to mention there's going to some garbage rolling in

To support your build

[indigo ferry]

You can't place on the base.

That's why I give you 10 perm lines to begin with

[fringe lion]

Depends on how fast the lines are sinking

Let's say the black hole eats 1 line/s

That's 10 mino gone per second

So you can outbuild the sinking lines by dropping at least 2.5 pps

[indigo ferry]

No.

Your objective is to survive the sinking, if there's nothing on the board, the sinking wins, just like if you fall into quicksand in movie, you die. Thank you.

[void lotus]

yeah you cant place on the floor yea

question:

what if you place a piece via overhang such that it is on a mino, but part of the placed piece is in the floor

[indigo ferry]

As long as there's something (even a line pixels of the mino blocks), it's ok

[void lotus]

so like

act as if the black hole is literally just empty space

?

[indigo ferry]

It's a endless pit, you can say that ig

[fringe lion]

So, the piece just simply disappear if placed on the unsupported area?

[indigo ferry]

It endlessly falls into the endless pit

[teal swan]

nice idea

however
perpetual stall

[void lotus]

literally why would you if youre trying to

win

there is zero benefit to stalling

it actually harms you a lot

cause youre trying to outrun the sinking

[void lotus]

im so confused why this would ever be viable in any capacity

[teal swan]

stall until end of floor

or in f10
never

let the rocket under the board carry you

[void lotus]

you literally cant.

[teal swan]

wdym you cant

[void lotus]

"stall" then what. the black hole kills your board

[teal swan]

mino gets sucked out
put a piece
mino gets sucked out
put a piece

[void lotus]

so just

[teal swan]

argue this

[void lotus]

well you start getting mega garbage first of all

getting to next floor from that also requires you to fan outward to make the stack

[teal swan]

[void lotus]

but im sure one thing could be added that ruins stalling more

[teal swan]

good argument, however

mino gets sucked out

[void lotus]

??

[teal swan]

the garbage lines get sucked out

go back to loop

[void lotus]

yeah but you get MEGA garbage if you stall for too long

[teal swan]

yep

wait for the black hole to do the thing

they get sucked out
put a piece

[void lotus]

mega as in death

[teal swan]

just suck them out

mega don matter

powerstack
garbage in
clutch clear a few times and mino get sucked out
repeat

[void lotus]

well

whats your fix idea then

[teal swan]

make it per piece

[void lotus]

??

[teal swan]

piece-based

ye

put a piece down
black hole does its thing (or not)

[void lotus]

not nearly enough explanation

[teal swan]

black hole dont do anything when no pieces are placed

[void lotus]

the point is to outrun it tho.

if youre too slow it leaves you behind

[teal swan]

if its a time-based thing then there needs to be another idea

[indigo ferry]

I mean, garbage.

[teal swan]

ye

[void lotus]

they said tank garbage and wait for it to sink

[teal swan]

put slabs of minos to the sides like a c4w and wait for it to sink

and since lines sinks faster the higher up the board is
its able to scale up against increasing garbage

[void lotus]

what about something to do with climb speed

climb speed becoming depleted being another fail condition

and then something that affects it

[teal swan]

possible
but beware of similarities

[void lotus]

what does tyrant do to climb speed

[teal swan]

board falls

[indigo ferry]

I think you imagine the sinking speed to be crazy fast at f10 but actually it should be manageable for at least s ranks.
It's easy to fix this. You just need to send attack or cancel garbage to climb

[void lotus]

thats not climb speed

[teal swan]

the board jsut falls

[void lotus]

thats LITERAL speed OF falling

im on about climb speed, the coloured bar

[teal swan]

and the board falls faster
climbing speed is reduced to mult

[void lotus]

isnt fall speed in tyrant decided by floor

[teal swan]

yep

[void lotus]

doesnt csp still give passive climb even if its covered by fall speed

[teal swan]

not in

[fringe lion]

No

Tyrant CSP doesn't passively climb for you

[void lotus]

hm

[teal swan]

its a mere mult for attack sent only

[void lotus]

what i said bears i think no resemblance to that then

[teal swan]

back to black hole how to differentiate it from whiile still being "climb speed becoming depleted being another fail condition"

climb speed zero still climbs

[void lotus]

its already differentiated

[fringe lion]

starts game
0 csp
insta gg

[teal swan]

HAHAHAHAHA

[void lotus]

youd start with some obviously..........

😔

[void lotus]

it is after all just Literally Normal Climb Speed but you fail if it bottoms out

[teal swan]

only by technicality
i wounln' count that

[void lotus]

it has no similarity to tyrant CSP except that it is still the Climb Speed Meter

which is the one thing that cant really be changed i think, unless you make it a semi-central mechanic

its not "only by technicality"

tyrant CSP is Just Normal Climb Speed but without the passive +0.25n m/s

(and also with the harder maintaining, like expert)

[teal swan]

if i was seeing this mod id be saying -lite even with the minos getting sucked out
there needs more differentiation than a nerd stat

[void lotus]

literally how are you ever comparing it to tyrant

explain

[teal swan]

board falls down

[void lotus]

it does not

[teal swan]

damn

[void lotus]

the one similarity doesnt even exist

WAIT A SECOND

[teal swan]

so this would be insted be "no climb speed = board dies"?

[void lotus]

you can only climb by sending attack or cancelling garbage (to avoid stalling even tho stalling does very linited benefit)

maybe we should both read next time

[teal swan]

xd

[void lotus]

so uh yeah

theres

the solution

lmao

[teal swan]

oh nah its edited

i swear that wasnt there before

[void lotus]

pretty sure it was

i dont remember "clutch clear disabled" being the last one

WAIT

clutch clear disabled too

and your method involved clutches didnt it

[teal swan]

damn this feels like the clunkiest mod to have been suggested today

ye

[void lotus]

wow

[void lotus]

well

the mod seems fine

[teal swan]

it is

[void lotus]

clunky how btw

[teal swan]

no clutch clear in a game of clutch clears

[void lotus]

"a game of clutch clears"

are you sure

[teal swan]

yeah

[indigo ferry]

I mean...

[void lotus]

whar?

[teal swan]

all that is fine ish

the lack of passive climb is fine ish

[void lotus]

ive done maybe two or three clutch clears ever

so

idk what game youre playing

[indigo ferry]

He's playing o spin mini double

[teal swan]

just regular tetrising

[void lotus]

how much are you relying on clutches

[indigo ferry]

With clutch you can just stall till everything sink. I'm not dumb man

[teal swan]

i know im just saying that feels a bit weirdge imo

[void lotus]

didnt the current clutches also not exist until beta

old clutches were just if lockout would kill you but you cleared a line

which was almost never anyway

because you needed lockout to be enabled

[fringe lion]

The Moon

Only O-spins count as "difficult clear".
-# Praise the moon

The Moon Reversed: The Loon

Only O-spins send lines
-# Insanity is the only thing you can hold onto

[void lotus]

[teal swan]

real

[indigo ferry]

Just like what osk has said, no kagari in The Moon, it goes to garbo can.

[fringe lion]

O-spin doubles counts as full-spin and named "Kagari-Spin Double" instead in The Moon and The Loon.

-# totally not kissing up the dev team

Okay, so:

The Moon

Combos are disabled. Only O-spins count as "difficult clear". Other clears (e.g., T-spins, other spins, quads) are treated as regular clears and break B2B. O-spin doubles counts as full-spin and dubbed "Kagari-Spin Double".
-# Praise the moon. Praise be Kagari-sama

The Moon Reversed: The Loon

Same effects as The Moon, but only clears with O-piece send lines.
-# At the height of insanity, madness is the only thing you can hold onto. Kagari-sama yamete kudasai

[void lotus]

this is obv joke right

[fringe lion]

No?

[void lotus]

it should be

[fringe lion]

Maybe less of a joke if I allow regular O-clears to send lines in The Loon

[void lotus]

o spins are entirely unviable

100% unviable

the gameplay would just be nospin

moon would be quad spam, loon would be 2w

[fringe lion]

Give it Asc rotation

[void lotus]

that makes it possible but still probably unviable

would still just be worth it to quad spam

loon maybe different

[fringe lion]

I was thinking about disabling combos and make non-o spins clears sending max 1 line

Just to twist the arms

But that would be too brutal as the reg mod

[indigo ferry]

Reverse: Forfeiture
2 laws from Judgement will be applied periodically. If a law is violated, it turns grey (becomes inactive until 2 new laws are refreshed)
Additional laws in Forfeiture:

• No placing ? pieces and every ? piece must be placed within 3 seconds.
• No clearing garbage lines.
• No non-spin clears.
  Violating any one of the laws will be punished by one of the following.
• next 10 pieces are s/z
• all btb clears only worth 1 line of attack.
• each combo gives one wound line.
• all I-pieces will be replaced by other pieces for the next 30 pieces.
• hold is locked for 30 seconds.
• queue is hidden for 20 seconds.
• bag will be completely random for the next 20 pieces.
  -# Fighting against the absolute power.

[vestal plinth]

what about people who does infinite pc
(idk if they even exist)

[vestal plinth]

also
how do i ospin properly

[indigo ferry]

You can't pc in this

There's always smth on the board

[vestal plinth]

did i not disable ping

[indigo ferry]

You did

[vestal plinth]

ok

[wet moss]

Well.... you can, until those permanent lines are gone at least.

[indigo ferry]

Nothing on the board = gg

[wet moss]

that's not what i mean.
what i meant is, you start with 10 permanent lines right? can't you just PC until right before all the permanent lines disappear?

[indigo ferry]

What's left on the board after pc?

[vestal plinth]

is it possible to pc with permalines

maybe it is (since it was possible to do it with wound)

maybe not

but

idk

don't ask me

[wet moss]

dude, i don't think you understand yourself bro.
Of course nothing, but since permanent lines don't count as clearable stuff, PC is possble

[indigo ferry]

I haven't done a pc with perm lines. You should've explain yourself better

and I don't gaf about whether you can do pcs or not

[vestal plinth]

i don't purposely do pc so idk
(when i do pc, there is 99.99% chance that it is accidental)

can we have req lowered if those weird(?) and hard mods get added

[frozen hedge]

the question is how unlocks are gonna be done if these mods get added in the first place

not lowering existing mod requirements

[indigo ferry]

I can safely say new mods will more likely to be limited time mods instead of regular

After is added, qp2 feels easier to play. After is added, qp2 feels harsher to play ( was unplayable)

[fringe lion]

Hostile Garbage -- The Star

Garbage is at max messiness, but also generated based on the hole heights. Garbage hole will tend to appear more often at the columns with higher bottom hole heights (lowest possible garbage favour). Targeting graces are disabled.

-# Oooh, look at the constellations on the board!

[fringe lion]

Hostile Garbage Reversed -- The Delirium

Same base effect as The Star. A random row on your board, including garbage rows, will be inverted at a quickening interval as you climb to the higher floors.

-# As your consciousness slips, all you see are the stars as your vision fades to nothingness.

[smoky isle]

I swear it's definitely something that stacked dice (Reverse wheel of fortune) is already doing

garbage in stacked dice is filled with nothing but pure hatred

[fringe lion]

I'm not sure how messiness works though

Loaded dice is just extra (or max) messiness

So, not sure if it already included the hostile garbage mechanic or not

In this mod, if the column has no hole, then the entire column height is used for garbage generation

[smoky isle]

there's already a value in the game called garbage favor

that roughly translates to how easy it is to dig

[fringe lion]

Which means in something like C4w, garbage will appear under the block and not the well

[smoky isle]

https://github.com/had0j/io_qp2_rule_eng

if you've played stacked dice then you'd know that it is infact full of spite and hate

[fringe lion]

Okay, so that hostile garbage is covered

Gotta think of something new

[smoky isle]

so hostile garbage is just stacked dice without the 69 frame clear delay and donuts

[fringe lion]

Well, seems like the loaded dice has the same -25 favour as the wheel

Hostile garbage will be at -55

Just like Mess + Expert

[smoky isle]

so starts at -55 and goes down to -82?

[fringe lion]

Going below -55 has no additional effect

It's just going to be as bad as -55 for the entire run

[indigo ferry]

Reverse: Graveyard
Similar to Death, unlimited deaths are granted with a cost of debuff per death. Climbing mechanics are the same as Death.

Board spawns with 20 lines of permanent lines. Minos (coloured or garbage) of the most bottom row (above permanent lines) turns dark grey one by one. Colour changing rate increases per floor. If all 9 minos in the that row turn dark grey, the row turns into a permanent line. Otherwise, the line can still be cleared.

Bag size is 7 before and after the first forced death (by the 20 permanent lines). Bag size increases by 7 per death (7 -> 14 -> 21).

• permanent line debuff will not be erased by death.

-# Buried and forgotten forever.

[vestal plinth]

can i try this

good i think

[teal swan]

its supercharge or be supercharged

[vestal plinth]

"Board spawns with 20 lines of permanent lines."
tyrant except fatigue applies 12 minutes earlier

[teal swan]

playable warlock after doing a quad into a triple

LXIX - Perish

[vestal plinth]

idk what it is

[teal swan]

ust imagine the whole bard filled with ugly allspin lines

[vestal plinth]

i suck at but ok

btw

is clutch disabled in

[teal swan]

clutch enabled

[vestal plinth]

(idt i should say this here but)

hmm

then

umm

idk how to say this but

if it does clutch

then

there should be another mino after making a mistake (unless that is from spin zero)

but

of course

there isn't

(if it is, then i am just stupid)

[teal swan]

[vestal plinth]

i don't have unlocked so can you try

unless you don't really care

[teal swan]

i dont got a clue what you've just typed here

[vestal plinth]

maybe i am just stupid

but is it possible to clutch after getting 20 wounds?

[teal swan]

ye

just need to spin clear a few lines and then downstack all outside the board

[vestal plinth]

since i don't even have it unlocked
can you give me proof pls

i mean

i want to see that

[teal swan]

im too bad to clutch 6 times for that

[vestal plinth]

just clutch only once then

idt it is meant to be possible (to survive after getting 20 wounds)

[teal swan]

ltr

[waxen oriole]

Unlimited deaths until what?

[void lotus]

Altitude remaining stationary for 10 seconds will result in game over.
(Normal Death card concept)

(because you can only climb via bonus altitude)

[waxen oriole]

I was referring to graveyard

[void lotus]

"similar to Death,"

its the port from non-reversed

[teal swan]

this is hard
i literally cant do this without playing a regular allspin run

[fringe lion]

The Death

Every time you reach the upper floor, your board shrinks by 1 row.

-# Nothing lasts forever.

The Death Reversed: The Living Dead

Your board only have 4 rows. You can't cancel garbage. Garbage only comes in 1 per non-clears. You attack and be attacked by everyone in the same floor you are in.

-# Living on the borrowed time before the oblivion.

[indigo ferry]

Harder last stand?

[fringe lion]

Last stand with a side of damnation

[vestal plinth]

forwarded because i wanted to see them

does it count the floor boundary stop thing

(where your meter is halted until you clear line)

wait

it doesn't even exist

another problem: is it possible to get meter within 10 seconds

nvm just need to quad every 10s

nvm tsd also works

[vestal plinth]

is it possible to 4wide in that mode

(is it rounded down individually or is fraction carried over)

[pine grotto]

The Living Dead movie

[tiny lake]

Reversed

[vestal plinth]

another attack will send 1 less (chosen at random)
w h a t

[tiny lake]

It will never roll for the same attack type

[fringe lion]

Impotence

You cannot attack or cancel garbage.

-# Resistance against God's will is futile.

This is meant to be a reversed mod

Not sure what tarot this will fit.

[vestal plinth]

give me some example

[tiny lake]

If mini spin single gets weakened, it will never roll for it again. The game will choose another attack to weaken

[vestal plinth]

it says EVERY attack sends 1 less

EVERY + another = ???

[tiny lake]

At the start, quad will send 3 garbage, and if it gets chosen to be weakened, it will send only 2

[vestal plinth]

doesn't mini spin send zero or something - some guy (@vestal plinth) who can't spin triple

[tiny lake]

The game will not choose to weaken it again

mini spin singles/doubles don't send lines

[vestal plinth]

i mean

wasn't that zero already

wait what

ok whatever

[vestal plinth]

if double is chosen
does it send -1

(1 -> 0 -> -1)

[fringe lion]

What if you can't send attack at all?

Attack 0
Cancel 0

You can still climb according to its regular value though

[tiny lake]

No

It can't go any lower than 0

[fringe lion]

Judgement

At the start of the game and every 30 seconds, a random piece is chosen. Throughout the 30-second duration, clearing lines with pieces of the same chosen shape will not send lines.

-# Resign yourself to god's judgement.

Impotence (Judgement Reversed)

Your attacks send no lines. You cannot cancel garbage.

-# To defy god's will is futile.

[tiny lake]

Another reversed one

[vestal plinth]

i want to try it

because whynot

[indigo ferry]

I just looked at the multiplyer table on tetrio wiki. A quad at 5 combo does 9 lines so maybe I need to change how the nerf works cuz you can just ds + quad which worth 1-2 lines after 3 deaths { 9/(2 x 3) }

[vestal plinth]

...

[indigo ferry]

Maybe I should just completely disable quads

[vestal plinth]

that's weird

[indigo ferry]

I changed it to divided by 4 instead of halved which I think can balance the situation cuz before any deaths it's just normal gameplay

[vestal plinth]

what if i forget to clear line for 10s and just die out of nothing

[indigo ferry]

Now 2 deaths divide the attack by 16

[vestal plinth]

ok

what does deal 16

maybe wumbo can

[indigo ferry]

12 combo quad

[vestal plinth]

the fact that it must be 16 in single mino, makes it even worser

[indigo ferry]

Get punished for afking. I don't think low ranks can't do a quad every 10 seconds right? Double and triple also does something

[vestal plinth]

but at very beginning

idt double/triple give something

[indigo ferry]

I believe they can do 9-0 within 10 seconds right?

[vestal plinth]

idk but ok

[fringe lion]

I'd adjust some fatigue texts:

• 10:00 - Your being is fading away...
• 12:00 - Your time has come...

[smoky isle]

-# there is a flat +1 increase to targetting factor at 3, 5 and 7 minutes

[vestal plinth]

that hurts

[tiny lake]

Slightly revised

[pine grotto]

Hanged man is supposed to be upside down of the board.

[indigo ferry]

No one liked it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[fringe lion]

Hanged Man

Every 30 seconds, the board turns 180 degrees.

-# Wisdom can only be acquired by learning both sides of the matters.

Crucifixion -- The Hanged Man Reversed

In addition to Hanged Man effect, the T-pieces become cross-shaped hexominoes that cannot be rotated.

-# Nail yourself to a cross and become a martyr.

This is what T-piece will become in the Crucifixion

[fringe lion]

By rotating the board every 30 seconds, you can't just rotate your monitor to cheese the effects as would be the case if just putting the board upside down.

[indigo ferry]

Upside down board has been suggested and considered to be a bad idea in jstris

[void lotus]

you could

if you have a swivel monitor

or

just press the rotate screen shortcut that most common OSes have

[pine grotto]

That's good idea

[elfin frigate]

even easier if you have an ipad connected to a keyboard

just do the thing phigros players do

"ipad-spin triple"

[vestal plinth]

T-pieces become cross-shaped hexominoes that cannot be rotated.

but tspin is major source of attack

[vestal plinth]

"t-spins send a flat 2 regardless of lthe number of lines cleared"
what about tspin zero

[vestal plinth]

seems like good idea (???)

not tarot but some idea:
cannot cancel garbage, but receive 0.75x, and garbage enters slower

reverse of that: 16 height + cannot cancel + receive 1.25x +

idk if that is good, or it can fit into tarot or not

[indigo ferry]

Feels so similar to damnation to me ngl

[vestal plinth]

hmm

true

just some idea so it might be ass

[frozen hedge]

ok what kind of stack would you need to fit this

(and keep in mind it comes once PER BAG)

there's no way you can make a j/l dependency once every bag

[smoky isle]

Add on it
Uses 14-bag, (7+7) with 7 pieces spawning in the normal position and 7 pieces spawn in 180
Reversed version uses 7+7+crucifix if you want to keep to the theme

[polar elk]

#1350523516549595196 (0 messages) was moved here.

[fringe lion]

Good idea

[dark fjord]

Phigros mentioned

[runic totem]

XIII Death - you friken die

[elfin frigate]

all runs are 0.0m

[plain flower]

What if there was a mod that just suggested to turn off b2b charge

whole game would change

[elfin frigate]

this is just a harder invis....

[dark fjord]

Card: The Hanged Man
Mod: Chained
Effect: B2B chaining replaces B2B surging, b2b bonus increases faster but any spins other than T will not increase b2b (but keep them)

Reverse mod: (no fancy name)
Effect: B2B surging replaces chaining. You drop height (like ) but gain natural height if your b2b is over 4, in the other side your surge will be depleting to gain natural height, all spins counts to surge. You will start losing height again once surge is fully depleted

Season 1 TL goes brrrrr

[languid crescent]

another silly idea: garbage lines are injected into random rows between the bottom and the highest non-empty row in your stack

[elfin frigate]

I'm sorry I have to make another card game reference

in every 7bag, destroy 1 piece

[smoky isle]

Just

7x7 randomizer

49 is basically 52

[fringe lion]

Ah yeah "All-Micro"

Non-T spins are counted as "Micro Spins" which neither break nor contribute to B2B chain.

[void lotus]

that should be a suggestion but like with a different name

[white hornet]

would nano-spin give -1 b2b

[fringe lion]

Maybe ?

Reducing the b2b chain by 1 instead of breaking it

[dark fjord]

Bring b2b chaining back with this modcard :3

[hasty niche]

pico-spin gives -2 b2b

[vestal plinth]

w h a t

what happen if i get into b2b debt

[smoky isle]

break it and you hit yourself

also loses altitude

[white hornet]

have -50 b2b and youre at 0m, you go floor -1

[oak junco]

crazy idea

[elfin frigate]

no it's where it's a 6-bag randomizer, where one random piece from the seven is excluded every bag

[oak junco]

idk what to call this but basically when you clear lines, top of your stack goes down in accordance to your clearing. so, when you clear enough lines, the pieces spawn area can go into the garbage thingy, killing you

[elfin frigate]

so technically you could have a 30-piece long drought of I pieces if you rolled the I piece 5 times in a row

[fringe lion]

You just don't get B2B

The minimum would just remain at 0x

[elfin frigate]

floor -1 is osk's basement

[vestal plinth]

isn't minimum -1x
(i saw tetrio calculator somewhere, and it said b2b is -1 when it isn't b2b clear)

[frozen hedge]

Yeah, non-b2b is b2b x-1, first 'difficult clear' is b2b x0

[tiny lake]

It won't send

if you clear 0 lines

In other words, T-spins have a max cap of 2 damage

[vestal plinth]

ok

[oak junco]

lmao

don't mind that

[elfin frigate]

reversed last stand (double reversed volatile):

all incoming garbage below 8 lines is converted to a single garbage line

otherwise, raise incoming garbage to the power of 1.3

8^1.3 is 14.9 lines, i've survived more

[rare iron]

4w mod but you get 4 times as much garbage to compensate

[elfin frigate]

there are people who have gotten 490 combos in 4w mode

in 2 minutes

[fleet yoke]

So I asked what Awakened made were and what they would do, and I have some ideas for some awakened mods in mind.

[frozen hedge]

they will not add mods that make climbing easier.

[vestal plinth]

hold 25 ??????????????????????????

[elfin frigate]

there was one easy difficulty mod i think someone recommended in a github feature request

jump start

you start at 50m and green climb speed, skipping the awkward floor 1 mess

it could stop the people we all know in QP2 who never get past 5m because they keep spamming harddrop whenever they misdrop

[vestal plinth]

that has lot of problem

1. fatigue (you need to make that fatigue happens faster by 1 (or 1.5 or 2) minutes so they don't get unfair advantage)
2. mastery (just die 600 times and you master mod)
3. after all, there is no reason not to use it, if it exists

[elfin frigate]

1. yeah that's fair
2. disable or drastically weaken mastery for easy mods
3. make it unranked

[vestal plinth]

maybe you can use it to unlock mods, but not ranked or badge

and you don't gain mastery

(idk if it should be dealt with fatigue if it isn't ranked and doesn't give mastery)

[elfin frigate]

also another mode i saw at one point

zen mode

send and receive no garbage

still climb as normalk

hidden from leaderboards

meant for people who just want to experience what f10 is like but are too bad at the game

like me

[vestal plinth]

and like old me (except i reached f10 today, skipping death at f8 and f9)

that's good idea i think

but

idt osk would like it if everyone gets free access

[elfin frigate]

you can't unlock normal mods with zen mode specifically

because you can just play and not worry about dying at all

[vestal plinth]

then probably you can't gain mastery either

but then

just use youtube or something to watch someone reach f10

[elfin frigate]

not the same

lmao

[vestal plinth]

idt osk will add it since that's pointless

umm

[elfin frigate]

anyway i'm gonna try and reach f9 again, i gotta lock in

[vestal plinth]

what if osk use that to reach f10

(???)

[vestal plinth]

but it says your record is 1474.8m
ok

😦

(DX243 tried but then died)

[elfin frigate]

if you know then exactly what altitude did i die at

[vestal plinth]

(except i wasn't focusing)

solution: search tetra channel (919.7m)

[elfin frigate]

(buzzer noise)

[vestal plinth]

BRUH

[elfin frigate]

anyway ima try again

[vestal plinth]

off by 0.1m = osk stole 0.1m

[warm osprey]

I'm wondering about a thing
here that is based on more mods and it seems that there are some reversed mods here
how about to let normal(no mod) could have a reversed?
something like T-only(T-spins+), or no b2b surge and something else?

[vestal plinth]

"normal(no mod) could have a reversed?"
🤔
interesting
but
does it make sense to reverse nomod when concept of it is reversing a mod (or a card)

[indigo ferry]

I was thinking about a mod that uses s1 rule, and it's reversed being a mix between nes tetris rules and tetris99 rules.

[warm osprey]

the "reset" button let me think could used for it

[fleet yoke]

Some ideas i were reading were pretty clever and here's my idea for expert

Awakened Expert - [Beginner]

• Any garbage sent will take twice as long.
• You can cancel any garbage before it gets received.
• you can climb 75% faster than the regular board.

[smoky isle]

I made a suggestion about easy qp a while back

Basically makes it a separate unranked mode

For people who wants a more relaxed experience

(And people who can only play at 0.5 pps)

You have a separate set of cards in Explore The Tower mode that are toggleable individually. Runs are considered unranked and they are not compatible with the normal set of cards

[fleet yoke]

That's nice! What do they do?

[smoky isle]

https://discord.com/channels/673303546107658242/1345657734078660608

The subtext was me shitposting and should not be taken seriously

Also wrote it with the already existing systems in mind

[fleet yoke]

Some of your ideas seem very interesting, and were thinking of the same thing, like this one:

My Idea:

Awakened Messy Garbage - [Clean Garbage]

Garbage becomes significantly cleaner by ~60%. Every time you receive garbage, there is a 5% - 10% chance that the garbage will change columns.

Your Idea:

Beaten Path - Clean Garbage
-# Quad Quad Quad Quad Quad Quad

• Garbage is considerably cleaner
• Change During Attack changed from Floor3% to Floor2%.
• Change Between Attack is set to 0%
• If used along with Explosive, the bomb tile now has Floor*5% Change During Attack but still 100% Change Between Attacks

[smoky isle]

Yea so garbage messiness is floor based

It is 3*Floor% and 2.5x that for during/between attacks respectively

But in practice thanks to garbage favour it actually is 0/0/0/0/0/5/10/fuck/fuck/20

I just realized that beaten path would make it practically perfectly clean all the way to F9 so garbage favour might also need to be nerfed by 33%

As for what I was smoking with Better Together
Revive runs are unironicly fun to do and I wished that there was a way to be able to have them as sidequests in a normal QP run, where if you do it when convenient or go out of your way to do them you're awarded with a small/decent burst of climbing speed (not altitude) to conpensate for your efforts

[hoary patrol]

easy qp 💀

so it doesnt come

[smoky isle]

Aw so that is non negotiable

[indigo ferry]

Easier mods means more garbage in qp so def no

I can already imagine no mod players getting bombarded by cleaner garbage players

[smoky isle]

-# The Tyrant players casually flinging 70-100apm while being stuck at F1

[fair seal]

oh yeah recommended reading: https://blog.osk.sh/post.php?p=6737fdef0666f3.20808811

[indigo ferry]

The Star
Extra garbage rains from the top of the board in form of monominos (5 lines of garbage = 5 garbage monominos + (5 - 3) lines of regular garbage lines (minimum: 1) ). Garbage monominos cannot be cleared by filling the row until a piece is placed on top of the garbage monomino. Clearing a line with garbage momomino will not break back-to-backs.

Reversed: Meteor Shower
Meteorite spawns occasionally. A meteorite will spawn 20 meteor lines at row 21. After 30 seconds, the meteorite will strike the bottom of the board and raise meteor lines. Meteor lines function like permanent lines but will disappear after 30 seconds.
-# --Meteor lines look like permanent lines but with a kagari face on it--

A shield can cancel one meteor line per shield power before the meteor strike. Doing a spin clear of a certain piece, specified by an objective, can increase the shield power by 1 per spin clear, from 0 to 20. Doing the specified piece spin twice consecutively can add bonus +1 power to the shield. O-spins are enabled by rotating the piece before clearing lines. (If the objective specifies s spins, only s spin clears can raise the shield power)

Garbage receiving is the same as The Star.

[mellow hinge]

Update:
The Empress: Every 10 garbage lines, a void mino may have a 50% chance of spawning. You can feed the void mino a certain amount of pieces/minos to remove it.
The Heirophant: Doing 3 clears in the same column consecutively will be punished with a column lock. When a line is cleared in the locked column, a line of garbage will be injected into the board.
The Hanged Man: Your boardstate (not your whole board) flips every 35 pieces.

[vestal plinth]

"a line is cleared in the locked column" -> what
"Your boardstate (not your whole board)" -> whatx2

[mellow hinge]

what i mean by a column lock is this

if a piece that touches the locked column(s) clears a line, a line of garbage will be injected into the board for every column touched

[vestal plinth]

hmm

how do i unlock then

[mellow hinge]

you may clear lines in the unlocked columns to unlock them

also for the boardstate thingy this is what i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ8fnrA59oA&t=348s

but not for every piece

so for every 35 piece your boardstate will do a 180 flip and will flip again in the 36th piece and so on

i might consider changing the piece req because that may encourage 5 bag looping

[smoky isle]

24

[mellow hinge]

yeah 24 works

[mellow hinge]

Update:
The Hanged Man: Your boardstate (not your whole board) flips every 24 pieces.

[smoky isle]

including the garbage lines?

[mellow hinge]

probably not

[bold flower]

The Hanged Man = upsidedown board

[mellow hinge]

ipad users:

[celest cloak]

The Moon
Receive 2x garbage
The garbage queue works differently. Instead of pending garbage entering your board after a small delay, garbage instead accumulates in your garbage queue, where it initially cannot be cancelled. After a floor-based garbage limit has accumulated, it then changes color and can be canceled. It then enters your board after a period of 5 seconds.
Dynamic garbage limit:
F1: 10 lines
F2: 12
F3: 15
F4: 18
F5: 22
F6: 26
F7: 30
F8: 35
F9: 40
F10: 45

[indigo ferry]

Tetris 99 ahh stalling 4w gameplay

[elfin frigate]

Overcharging:

The mod has four different settings, 200%, 300%, 400%, and 500%. Each setting multiplies surge but also multiplies garbage ingoing.
200%: 2x surge, 2x garbage
300%: 3x surge, 4x garbage
400%: 4x surge, 7x garbage
500%: 5x surge, 12x garbage

[smoky isle]

so like
extra clean garbage

while letting you surge harder with quads

that's barely a debuff

[white hornet]

12x garbage sounds stupidly difficult already 😭

[smoky isle]

Becomes 9x after taking targetting grace in account

[hasty niche]

hear me out

there should be a secret fatigue effect for all spin

2 hours (wound lines are now permenant garbage)

and u get achievement if u get that fatigue

[elfin frigate]

the longest time survived in QP2 is like 50 minutes

no one would reach 2 hours lmao

[novel rapids]

Your battery overcharged 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% Infinite Ultimate Infinity Absolute Ʊ%

[wet moss]

oh no.
osk knew

[jovial nimbus]

I'm overcharging the battery to ↁ%.

[teal swan]

i'd like to order a stack of

[tiny lake]

Starting an omega mod concept

[tiny lake]

The table on the top is the garbage delays for each mod

[tiny lake]

That's the point

And on a related note, reversed mods are already fine enough

[fresh falcon]

I see your attempt at pushing Shirase to TETR.IO

[elfin frigate]

what symbol even is that

[elfin frigate]

do note that a windup on 500% mode would be 48 lines each

[smoky isle]

survivable

[elfin frigate]

if you don't already have a surge going you're screwed^2

[jovial nimbus]

N E V E R

[vague meadow]

We need shirase in tetr.io 🙏

[upper pike]

TGM4 will have a Shirase-like mode :D

[elfin frigate]

also should i make an icon for the mod i suggested

nvm i'm terrible at icons

[vague meadow]

I can do it for you

[elfin frigate]

i mean you can try lmao

i tried sketching something out in MS Paint until I realized I'm bad at designing anything

art-wise

[vague meadow]

Show me the sketch
I already have something in mind tho

[elfin frigate]

oh shit i forgot to save it

i can try and make a new sketch tho

[vague meadow]

Alr :>

[indigo ferry]

Goofy ahh mod:
Each piece can only rotate 6 times and only rotation kicks (not stationary kicks) can send attack or cancel garbage. Single/double/triple are still counted.

[vague meadow]

what color do you want it to be?

[elfin frigate]

orange maybe

[vague meadow]

Oki, i'll start when i turn on my pc
Maybe tomorrow

[wheat star]

Should I rework this into a reverse Duo variant?

Changes I would make would be so

• after 30 seconds, the gravity of the balance would increase bit by bit making harder as time goes on

• And revive challenges difficulty also be tied to how much imbalance there is.

[elfin frigate]

what if

a duo mode where you have 2 people plus an assister

the assist sends only 0.15X as much garbage (with cumulative rounding) and when they die, both of the main duo-ers do one revive task

[wheat star]

Now I wonder

what happens when the assist is dead and one of the duos?

[elfin frigate]

the duo-ers take priority

assister comes afterwards

[vague meadow]

So a Trio?

[elfin frigate]

yea kinda

only one person needs supporter

[elfin frigate]

what if

promising garbage: all garbage intake is now ^^1.1

[winter saddle]

death

[elfin frigate]

not really, tetration to the 1.1 height doesn't do much for lower values of N like how much garbage you receive

[elfin frigate]

that being said, I can't find a tool that calculates tetration with non integer height

[white hornet]

there was some approximation but yeah
calculating a non-integer tetration is just
j

begs the question if it really has a solution

[elfin frigate]

what do you mean it's just J

[white hornet]

j.

[elfin frigate]

also doesn't balatro jen's almanac mod have jokers that have tetration

with noninteger values

[white hornet]

thats how i express things when like
not sure how else to respond to just complication

[white hornet]

very likely uses an approximation of it

which is fine ig

[elfin frigate]

how

[white hornet]

idk why i nitpick this though
i did check sourcecode of omeganum and break_eternity

[elfin frigate]

did they help

i'm surprised that they apparently have built in functions for tetration

i thought that would be a different library entirely lol

maybe you could check a game that has tetration operators used

revolution idle has an upgrade that reduces cost by a tetrational amount really late-game, that's where i would begin

[white hornet]

not sure if i really should get in depth with how non-integer tetration operation work
since this is outside the thread's main topic

since i brought this up very very randomly 😭

[vestal plinth]

there is calculator where i can do x^^1.1
(note: nvm it just does x^x^0.1)

calc table (floored at 2nd decimal)
x / x^1.1 (by chatgpt) / x^^1.1 (by that calculator)
1 / 1.0 / 1.0
2 / 2.1 / 2.1
3 / 3.3 / 3.4
4 / 4.5 / 4.9
5 / 5.8 / 6.6
6 / 7.1 / 8.5
7 / 8.4 / 10.6
8 / 9.7 / 12.9
9 / 11.1 / 15.4
10 / 12.4 / 18.1
11 / 13.7 / 21.0
12 / 15.1 / 24.1
13 / 16.4 / 27.5
14 / 17.8 / 31.0
15 / 19.2 / 34.8
16 / 20.5 / 38.8
17 / 21.9 / 42.9
18 / 23.3 / 47.4
19 / 24.6 / 52.0
20 / 26.0 / 56.9
21 / 27.4 / 62.0
22 / 28.8 / 67.3
23 / 30.2 / 72.9
24 / 31.6 / 78.8

[elfin frigate]

so 24 spike becomes 79 spike

only slightly harder than last stand

[vestal plinth]

is hard for me (for some reason)

btw

does it make sense if someone say that "any attack w/o windup is less than 8" (before any modifier)

[elfin frigate]

yea that makes sense

trying to calculate that post-tetration would be nine separate nightmares

lmao

[vestal plinth]

what i wanted to ask:
if it enters like 12 then 8, is it 12^^1.1 + 8^^1.1 or (12+8)^^1.1

(first is 37.0 / second is 56.9)

[elfin frigate]

it's the first one

second one would be insanely unbalanced

[vestal plinth]

true

[elfin frigate]

garbo get in here we're trying to cook

[vestal plinth]

:volatile: + that = 💥

???

emoji fail

[elfin frigate]

it's mod_volatile

[vestal plinth]

+ promising garbage = 💥

[elfin frigate]

i want it to be like different tiers of volatile, and promising is the highest tier

volatile means like

fragile

and a promise is the most fragile thing that there can be

refer to the lover's day event

[vestal plinth]

if someone sends you 12
then:
standard = 12
= 24
promising = 24.1
= 36
+ promising = 48.2 or 78.8 (depending on order)

how does windup work with / / promising garbage

[elfin frigate]

windups threshold increases per windup (8, 20, 40, and then any left over goes to the 4th chunk)

also, i should say that comes after promising, so that no bad things happen

[vestal plinth]

table (promising)
x / x^^1.1
4 / 4.9
8 / 12.9
12 / 24.1
16 / 38.8

wait

we need to deal with decimal first

(round / ceil / floor / carryover)

[elfin frigate]

use RNG rounding

[vestal plinth]

ok

[elfin frigate]

e.g. 11.5 would mean 11 lines, plus a 50% chance of 1 extra line

[vestal plinth]

windup:
1: 12~24 (4+8+extra)
2: 25~38 (4+8+12+extra)
3: 39~ (same as 2)

uhh

why did i end up with conclusion that makes windup 2/3 same

wait it's and

i am stoopid

something(?):
when you send attack, it doesn't
when your combo breaks, all attack (that didn't sent because the thing above) releases at once
(ppt2 moment except i never played it)

[elfin frigate]

incredibly OP

not good

if you're wumbo and get a 60 spike, you could send like a 300 spike

to someone with promising garbage

[vestal plinth]

hmm

also realized I did windup calc wrongly

I'm stoopid

[vestal plinth]

with that logic
get b2b 63x
and that will happen i think

[elfin frigate]

yeah but getting B2Bx63 is harder than getting a good 4W setup

and either way

surge attacks are split up amongst multiple players

[vestal plinth]

then make that also split

problem solved

[elfin frigate]

yeah that makes sense

also maybe i should define the other tiers of volatile garbage

first is just volatile garbage (2x receive, 2x cancel)

then laststand (3x receive, 1x cancel)

then Powerful Garbage (^1.2 receive)

and finally Promising Garbage (^^1.1 receive)

i kinda wanna make a feature request thread full of all of the ideas i have in a notepad document all at once

even tho most of them are garbage shit

[smoky isle]

What if mod+

the bridge between a tarot card and the reversed mods

all-spin that checks last 2 moves
volala but 3x receive 2x cancel
No hold + 3 Next
Messy pure hatred (garbage favour locked on -100)
Gravity 20G at start without lock decrease
double hole is 100% at all floors

invis is every idk 12s?

[wet moss]

All-Spin: How would you communicate that UI wise?
Volatile: looks good ig
No hold: same as above
Messy: can't go below -55 (i think that's Expert F10)
Gravity: THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OH MY-
Double Hold: Diabolitical
Invis: idk about this

[mellow hinge]

maybe invis can turn into xray?

[smoky isle]

ig for all spin you can move the second last move to the left side of the current move

or downwards

like the second move indicator is in the green area or something like that

also for Messy how about Full Scatter at start

[elfin frigate]

gravity 20G is free. 20G is not a problem for like 80% of modern tetris players

just press rotate a few times

[vague meadow]

aand i just realized that it said "overcharging", not "overcharged"

[elfin frigate]

holy shit thank you

this looks awesome

lmao

[vague meadow]

I'll do a reverse version too

[vague meadow]

you're welcome :3

[elfin frigate]

reverse of overcharged......?

[vague meadow]

yes

[elfin frigate]

i think i have an idea

[vague meadow]

i have an idea too

[elfin frigate]

reversed overcharged: you can still pick the same settings (200,300,400,500%)

BUT

the surge multiplier is X, the garbage multiplier is X^2.

5x surge = 25x garbage

someone sent you a double? too bad you die now

[vague meadow]

i had another idea
Name: Broken Battery
garbage mulitiplier stays, but no surge multiplier
surge breaks automatically upon activating

[elfin frigate]

so you just

[vague meadow]

so if you reach b2b x 4, it breaks instantly

[elfin frigate]

can't surge??

[vague meadow]

pretty much

[elfin frigate]

what if

you make the surge timed

i.e. if you don't increase your B2B again within 5 seconds, it breaks

[vague meadow]

not bad

[elfin frigate]

what the fuck dude, you're COOKING

[elfin frigate]

garbo get in here

this guy is peak art designer

[vague meadow]

nah i actually suck at doing more complex things

[elfin frigate]

don't ever lie to yourself ever again

you got me???

[vague meadow]

ok

[lament ocean]

Hey, could you give me a better explaination for the moon? I feel dumb for not knowing what it does.

[lament ocean]

also is there like a list of the best ideas for each card or something?
just asking

[tulip island]

My dumb mod idea:
Return

send additional garbage to yourself in 10-100 seconds for each 2 lines you send to someone else

“To succeed, you must overcome yourself”

[frail wolf]

risking getting lambasted for this:
The Hanged Man(???): Garbage constantly spawns (like Survival Timer in Custom Game) (rate increases per floor)
The Fool (april fools event): Allowed Spin: Stupid, but No Garbage Blocking

[elfin frigate]

garbage blocking = garbage cancelling, right?

[frail wolf]

yes (garbage blocking is tetrio's term though when you make a custom game)

[elfin frigate]

sh ok

what i thought of for april fools mod was maybe like

a mod that's either stupidly easy or stupidly hard

an idea i have for a stupidly hard one is Pentominous Garbage

[smoky isle]

Bleeding Hearts but your partner is dead

oh wait there's a delay

[elfin frigate]

Garbage received is ^^^1.08, garbage blocked is ^^^1.05.

if you're confused i highly recommend looking up what pentation is

[frail wolf]

i cant determine if you referred to my april fool's mod as stupidy easy, but considering the amount of garbage you'll recieve in the higher floors, i dont think this is the case?

[elfin frigate]

nah pentominous garbage is stupidly hard

it's not impossible to survive

but it's difficult

[dark fjord]

Hell naw garbage incremental

Wait now why dont we intergrate Antimatter Dimensions into TETR.IO

[elfin frigate]

eternity pieces

piece study 181

[dark fjord]

Piece dilation

:)))

[elfin frigate]

you gain 1% of your height per second

[elfin frigate]

that could actually work lmao, just really hard game

no T or I pieces

[dark fjord]

Tetrio became incremental

[elfin frigate]

height gain is ^0.5

csp is ^0.7

garbage is ^2

[dark fjord]

Wait

Dilation ^everything?

[elfin frigate]

wdym

[dark fjord]

No i dun wanna deal with 400 garbage windup

[elfin frigate]

too bad :)

[dark fjord]

Gain and cancel got ^1.1
Climb ^0.7
Climb speed decay ^1.05

:))))

[elfin frigate]

nooooo

[dark fjord]

How about integrate Lai’tela?

[elfin frigate]

what is laitela again

is it the one with darkmatter dimensions

[dark fjord]

Yea

[elfin frigate]

dark matter blocks

[dark fjord]

O WAIT

I HAVE A DUM IDEA

CEL5 AS MOD

So climb speed is capped at lv4, but you use this mod with other mods to gain memories of corresponding mods except Ra

[vestal plinth]

what happened

here

[vestal plinth]

^1.2 is higher than ^^1.1 for 1~5 (same for 6)
and according to osk's logic
if no windup appears
then every attack is 1~7
without windup, 28.5%? chance that promising is actually harder than that

[runic totem]

fool is epic im up for it

(stupid spin flows in my veins for years now)

[wicked flicker]

you probably murder everyone then die instantly tbh

especially if everyone in the lobby has it

[frail wolf]

lol

[elfin frigate]

i have an idea

now that hyperspeed is restricted to nomod now

maybe there could be a setting where you can turn on hyperspeed as a setting, but you don't actually have hyperspeed

i.e. you still can't get

[smoky isle]

Actually yes visual HS would be cool even if it's just visual

[elfin frigate]

that you can unlock after reaching hyperspeed X number of times

so your first time seeing HS is actually real

[fair seal]

add a toggle that only serves to visually confuse people

if this is about record keeping, the API still reports split times even if you don't get hyperspeed

[elfin frigate]

i mean there are cases where you may want to see split times during gameplay, but are too noob to actually reach hyperspeed given its' sorta-reasonable-sorta-absurd requirements

don't you have to get mint climb speed in F2 or before to get it then?

[void lotus]

i think it shouldn't have all the fancy shmancy stuff

unmoving unrainbow splits, and maybe a large overall timer up top like in HS that stands out more than the small board stats

and no schnellfeuer

[elfin frigate]

aww:(

[void lotus]

the song is SPECIAL

[elfin frigate]

to be fair schnellfeuer can help one focus a lot better

one time i turned music off in TETR.IO and had schnellfeuer playing in YT music in another window

and THAT was the only time i ever reached F9

[void lotus]

only time I've used alt music is when I put on the SpeedRunners (2016) music in qp

the vibe fits but eh not worth it

[elfin frigate]

oh

also

maybe there COULD be a feature where the game displays your pace and height to next floor

pace = ([1650-altitude]/average altitude per second up to this point)

height to next floor = height to next floor

[void lotus]

to next floor probably won't matter

cause of the background and the slowdown and the fact that players probably memorize the heights after long enough

[smoky isle]

No T piece
You get no T piece
Your bag is 7-T

Reversed would make it a 20 bag (5x4 without T nor I pieces

Idk why but my brain told me to say it

[indigo ferry]

So meta would be this + all spin. They'll be a fixed combination

[vestal plinth]

how do you play then

[vestal plinth]

convincing osk to revert the change would be faster
(but it won't happen, so neither that)

[frozen hedge]

hyperspeed was made modless only due to mech heart

but that now mech heart is basically dead, the change should be revertable, but idk if it will be

[warm basin]

guys hear me out

"advanced quick play"

where we stuff all the other tarot cards and make them as hard as the reversed cards

since honestly most of the easy modifications are already taken and the difficulty is limiting creativity a bunch

also make them unstackable with other mods to not get into a problem with mod combos

[polar elk]

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[pine grotto]

Judgement will be random fatigue effects in every one minute.

Basically, fatigue have +2, +3, +5 permanent lines and 25% more garbages.

Besides, my fatigue idea are, when you droped every bags you will have a chance to get a big block.

[fringe lion]

This base mod actually went into this year's APF lmao.

[indigo ferry]

The fool being penta is kinda low effort imo ngl a lil disappointed. The fool I just come up is garbage holes shifting position for every 3 - 5 pieces, and rev fool being garbage holes shifting a space to the right every 2 seconds.

[wicked flicker]

there was like, some design behind it with tarot stuff

don't want to speak for the guy (garbo) but he did say a lil on stream i just don't rember where

[indigo ferry]

The only thing a remember he said on stream is April's fool is meant to be unplayable

I just reviewed half of his stream

[wicked flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/live/mpc0fsD_3Xs?si=Gi6df1jsDmiFIV_u&t=9817

found it

[indigo ferry]

The interpretation of the tarot card itself is a bit off but fair enough ig.

[fringe lion]

Still funny Garbo said he wanted to unalive himself after playing it

[indigo ferry]

He deserves it

[smoky isle]

What goes around comes around

[elfin frigate]

that makes sense until you remember that the last couple April fools events were actually absolute bangers

and fun to play

Kaliente mode was one of the best things to come to tetr.io

[elfin frigate]

if HE said that then that's a problem in and of itself

[indigo ferry]

I remembere and I like nuke

[upper pike]

the reversed version was the funny part

[polar elk]

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[elfin frigate]

there's duo mode

what about centi mode

100 players

and all attacks are undivided

we getting floor 10 in 4.2 seconds with this one

[elfin frigate]

here's what my idea for the april fools mod would've been:

the gambler

Height gain for each attack is logarithmically randomized between 0.2X and 3.0X

this yields an average of 0.64x height on average

[vestal plinth]

logarithmically randomized
does that mean you take number between log(0.2) and log(3.0) then multiply attack by 10^(number)

[elfin frigate]

yea

[vestal plinth]

me: doesn't know actual value of those logs

-0.69897~0.47712

some idea: you cannot ko (this disables luck factor i think)

[polar elk]

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[novel rapids]

maybe feature-request should be renamed to ideas, so its not implied

[teal swan]

sent here by kagari

[fair seal]

ok but like this is the first time they've ever mentioned this idea i think they're just trying to declare "i'm better than whoever designed this"

but yeah feature ideas is already more accurate than what we have now

[teal swan]

damn

[elfin frigate]

i mean it is still a net negative

you will on average gain only two-thirds of average height

[novel rapids]

yea its just i feel that with calling it "feature request" it might imply to people that people enter things here and we will just immediately go "Yeah let's add this" as if it's well, a "feature request"
it kinda is a holdover from infdev when this actually made sense
ig we talked abt it before too but yk

[subtle totem]

Then you can't send lines. Thus you can't be offensive

[foggy hull]

if a no next box card is ever made for an event, id like to suggest the reversed is similar to asceticism but takes classic nestris mechanics it didnt use

0F lock delay, no wallkicks, tetrises are the only way to send/cancel garbage (as a reference to that being the only effective way of scoring points), and maybe disable hard drop if thats still too easy

[smoky isle]

so if you press soft drop with inf sdf once you instantly die

[foggy hull]

i completely forgot about inf soft drop lmao

if thats an issue then either soft drop becomes replaced with a preset 1G, some kind of ARE gets added, or its just kept in because its funny

but regardless itd probably make no hard drop a no go

[smoky isle]

Sonic drop

Wait nvm classic

Well

u could make it tgm1

[foggy hull]

maybe, maybe

i think a modern classic gives me enough of my tgm1 fill though

[smoky isle]

True, true...

[frozen hedge]

isn't Nestris lock delay closer to 1-2f

[foggy hull]

its the moment it tries to go down when it touches the stack, so i guess it depends on your definition

[wet moss]

Actually, no.
it depends on the gravity.

[fresh falcon]

NEStris does not have lock delay, instead it locks if the piece tries to fall but encounters an obstacle

[vestal plinth]

i mean: can attack, but can't actually ko

[subtle totem]

If you attack, you get credit for the ko until the next person attacks. Doing that would require a complete explination of the system. Not a great fix

Death
Would be a cool idea if the card had themes of floor 6 and fatigue involved. It starts out normal (or maybe one debuff) and slowly as you climb (based on height), you get random debuffs, some permanent, some temporary. Here are some ideas:

Monochrome Colour Scheme (messes up some faster players)
Lines are wounded before entering
+1 Perma line
Messier garbage
10% more garbage
Reduce next queue
Increase invis time
Inject lines
Increased targeting

NOTE: Fatigue level 1 starts still at 8 minutes and level 5 starts at 12 as well. Nothing changes in that regard.

Also, if you had and invis time is increased by 5 seconds, it ends up being 10 seconds. Just an FYI.