how is it working
#7+X-Bag in TL
tight harbor
sharp condor
why sprint for 35 pieces
tight harbor
skull
spring minnow
sure but then the issue is other things
tight harbor
it creates lotta issues
charred walrus
encourages strider gameplay
tired flame
why sprint for 35 pieces
cause 7+x is the first 35
fresh ermine
encourages strider gameplay
how so
sharp condor
why make it so taht's better
fresh ermine
you can still see your queue and accomodate your board acordingly
tight harbor
speed limit in first 5 bags when 
fresh ermine
u just like stack. for the first couple of bags
like openers and with less memorisation
replied to the wrong message oop
spring minnow
rng freestyle just loses out to speed
fresh ermine
I don't see how someone going fast in 7+x is different from someone going fast in 7 bag
wise storm
cause rounds aren't being decided in the first 20 seconds now and players actually have to play midgame
tight harbor
I don't see how someone going fast in 7+x is different from someone going fast i...
you can't really reliably stack b2b in 7+x without going ooga booga tetris and a lil bit of T spin
because of rng
and no bag counting
fresh ermine
you can't really reliably stack b2b in 7+x without going ooga booga tetris and a...
you definitely can
it's just harder
tight harbor
it's just harder
which means it loses out to speed
fresh ermine
you would loose the exact same way to a speedy opener guy
tight harbor
no?
fresh ermine
how so
fresh ermine
1pps gap is easily survivable
then also survive this with the opponent stacking tetrises
tight harbor
then also survive this with the opponent stacking tetrises
it is harder to survive when your pieces are rng
but yep that's not really the problem
fresh ermine
you can't defend with an opener so you sre required to think more
tight harbor
the problem is that
open lion
were they always rng or no?
tight harbor
there are less varieties now
mental storm
you can't defend with an opener so you sre required to think more
defensive opener maining 
tight harbor
and the midgame is very dull until like 2min marks
fresh ermine
were they always rng or no?
what ?
tight harbor
because of garbage flow
open lion
nvm
tight harbor
so like no real risk until someone get to high b2b
not much counterspike and stuffs
fresh ermine
is the job of the player to create those spikes or counterspikes
fresh ermine
I have played quite a few tl games and custom games
tight harbor
the game only gets to how it is like in 7bag at like 2min marks
before that it is kinda dull
fresh ermine
i genuinely don't understand how it would feel that different for you
tight harbor
I have played quite a few tl games and custom games
how do you feel about the gameflow?
fresh ermine
how do you feel about the gameflow?
the same apart from the opening phade, where it is a little bit awckward
but that's just because we are no used to it
we need to also have in mind that our experienced differ because of our playstyles and rank
tight harbor
true
sharp condor
i share nuru's opinion
fresh ermine
I gtg but for the record, I'm in favor of 7+x or similar modifications
buoyant drum
man if there's going to be a public poll about whether to keep 7+x or not it has to be at least a week long and seasonal 
open lion
idk nuru opinion
barren lava
i like 7+x
open lion
kirby
barren lava
no opener pressure with no passthrough to counter it
obtuse flicker
As an opener main, i think this is a very interesting idea that should probably be tested and explored
barren lava
what rank r u
obtuse flicker
I don't think it'll solve the opener main problem since tki will still be doable, but its an interesting start
obtuse flicker
what rank r u
A
obtuse flicker
Having this as a seperate queue would probably be the best way to implement this
barren lava
theres not enough players to split queue
obtuse flicker
Someone will inevitably find a way to pco with 7+x bag though
obtuse flicker
theres not enough players to split queue
Wdym
open lion
the only thing this solves is stats because we dont die without sending a single thing
obtuse flicker
If this does get implemented im immediately dropping to B+ or something
fossil charm
omg did he call me slurs again
tired flame
Someone will inevitably find a way to pco with 7+x bag though
It's still doable
buoyant drum
what if the garbage delay was longer on round start? then decayed as the round went on
buoyant drum
or it started like how garbage works in qp then went insta like regular
tired flame
what if the garbage delay was longer on round start? then decayed as the round w...
wouldn't this buff pc loop cause they get garbage later?
buoyant drum
yeah no this would buff plonks as well
sage plume
Increasing garbage delay would basically be 5 pps pc looping with basically no way to cancel unless you matched the speed and efficiency
mystic yoke
yup
sharp condor
also pretty sure these changes are targeted towards lower ranks
barren lava
7+x or the garbage ones
sharp condor
well both right
well 7+x
garbage delay doesn't really affect erranks that much
which would defeat the idea
barren lava
itll only be a matter of time until new openers develop that use 7+x
sharp condor
i will believe that whne i see one
there is over a million first bag combinations now so i think it will be very diffuclt
fossil forum
omg did he call me slurs again
how many deaths threats you got so far?
tired flame
itll only be a matter of time until new openers develop that use 7+x
it's kinda hard to setup though cause 10 bag and only 5 piece previews
i doubt any openers like how it is currently will exist
buoyant drum
is this explanation sufficient? i heard some other explanations though
tired flame
is this explanation sufficient? i heard some other explanations though
nope it doesnt explain well at all
primal gale
how many more bag combinations does this give over regular 7bag?
7! * 7! * 7! * 7! for the 4 bags
* 7! for the extra pieces (/3! /2! because the order of the extra pieces within each bag doesn't matter)
* (10 choose 3) for where the extra pieces go bag 1
* (9 choose 2) * 8 * 8 for the other bags
/ 2⁷ because each extra piece can be interchanged with the regular piece in that bag without affecting the actual queue, so this corrects for doublecounting
barren lava
i think the explanation ingame is fine
buoyant drum
is it appended to the first few bags or mixed with them?
barren lava
technical stuff can be found from the wikis or community
pseudo heron
the in-game explanation conveys it effectively without digging into the technical details, so it's great
it's mixed
buoyant drum
patch notes has it as well:
pseudo heron
the fact that they're mixed makes the calculations harder
barren lava
over a million now
i can see PC-end openers become less prevalent, while TD openers would be relatively unchanged
primal gale
7! \* 7! \* 7! \* 7! for the 4 bags
\* 7! for the extra pieces (/3! /2! because ...
this comes out to a little over 585 quintillion different combinations for the first 35 pieces versus the usual 3.2 quintillion
increasing the combinations by a factor of 180
pseudo heron
what's the number of possibilities for each individual bag?
sharp condor
i can see PC-end openers become less prevalent, while TD openers would be relati...
try make a td opener
still mica
so first 4 bags has extras then next no extra?
pseudo heron
correct
still mica
thx
pseudo heron
the extras count goes 3, 2, 1, 1
barren lava
try make a td opener
idk any TD openers
mystic yoke
I saw someone make most of an MS2 opener vs me a couple times
primal gale
what's the number of possibilities for each individual bag?
first bag has 7! * (7 choose 3) * (10 choose 3) / 2³ or 2646000 combos
pseudo heron
wow!
sharp condor
sorry for short responses, i'm in game
but my intuition tells me memorised td openers are almost impossible too
mystic yoke
I wonder what SS and lower opinions are on these settings
primal gale
second bag is 7! * (4 choose 2) * (9 choose 2) / 2² or 272160 options per first bag
primal gale
after that third bag is 7! * 2 * 8 / 2 = 40320 options per valid first and second bag
oak coral
I just saw this
I'm probably gonna lose 300 tr next time I play tl
primal gale
and the last one "only" has 7! * 8 / 2 = 20160 options
sharp condor
barren lava
art class when i have to separate the cool colors from the warm colors:
sharp condor
lol
buoyant drum
lol
buoyant drum
55 <:crossed:686649473690239062>
9 <:check:920674133740765255>
trolled
primal gale
this comes out to a little over 585 quintillion different combinations for the f...
I came to realize my original calculations were off by a factor of 12 because of shit I didn't consider, this is the actual number
barren lava
primal gale
the per-bag calculations are correct and they do in fact multiply to that 585 quintillion number
still a factor of 180 is a HUGE increase for the first 5 bags
pseudo heron
first bag has 7! * (7 choose 3) \* (10 choose 3) / 2³ or 2646000 combos
wait, when you're doing the (10 choose 3), why does the order not matter?
buoyant drum
how does this compare against something like chess, in combinations
i understand that chess isn't rng
but still
vast matrix
opening with this is a power move
primal gale
wait....
shit
maybe the 7 sextillion was correct after all
primal gale
wait, when you're doing the (10 choose 3), why does the order not matter?
yeah making both of them choose 3 is wrong
pseudo heron
let's say that my first bag amounts to this:
normal: _ S T O _ Z _ I L J
extra: O S Z
wouldn't this alone have six combinations?
primal gale
you can justify one of them being choose 3 no matter which one you pick but that forces the other to be factorial
good catch
that gives...
15,876,000 for bag one
544,320 for bag two
40,320 for bag three
20,160 for bag four
and over 7 sextillion overall (2160 * 5040⁵ to be precise)
pseudo heron
that's amazing
primal gale
you can justify one of them being choose 3 no matter which one you pick but that...
I love when my first instinct is correct but my faulty math later on makes me "correct" myself (I'm second-guessing a right answer and replacing it with nonsense)
pseudo heron
lol that's such a mood
buoyant drum
ain't no way OP is here
split flame
I feel like this topic has gone a little wild.
buoyant drum
6193 messages
primal gale
I feel like this topic has gone a little wild.
mission successful, you sowed the seeds of chaos... dare I say evil
mystic yoke
giga sdpc
sharp condor
lol
rare crystal
when does this end time wise today (probably been asked)
atomic gorge
7+3, 7+2, 7+1, and just kill the extra T piece?
im honestly not really sure i would rework it entirely
every 7 pieces SHOULD have a t piece
sharp condor
hmm
open lion
where is poll
buoyant drum
what poll
open lion
theres only a mucho poll
boreal drift
Welp we've almost hit 9x the original message count of this thread pre-7+x
open lion
what fav type of pringle
buoyant drum
they don't sell pringles in my country, so none :(
open lion
:(
unreal sky
im a fan of the new 7+x changes and i would like it if they were implemented permanently in some form
obviously there's still some problems, but maybe you could make like a filtered version of the possible bags to solve that?
honest oriole
what about no extra t piece in the first bag perhaps?
sharp condor
that gives...
15,876,000 for bag one
544,320 for bag two
40,320 for bag three
20...
i'm not convinced this is correct
my thinking was you have 7! combinations for the first 7bag
and then you select 3 pieces for the X, which is 7 * 6 * 5
and then you can insert the first piece in 7 positions, you can insert the second piece in 8 positions, and you can insert the third piece in 9 positions, so you do 7 * 8 * 9
and then finally you remove duplicates so you divide by 2 ,3 times
and you end up with 7! * 7 * 6 * 5 * 7 * 8 * 9 / 2 / 2 / 2 = 66679200
primal gale
and then you can insert the first piece in 7 positions, you can insert the secon...
can insert the first piece 8 different places
before the first piece, and after each of the pieces
warm galleon
Just chiming in my opinion, I think the 7+x change in TL is fantastic and I would like to see it become a permanent fixture
barren lava
teto
primal gale
teto
barren lava
teto ris
buoyant drum
maho failure
sharp condor
can insert the first piece 8 different places
one of the ways will be redundant
take ZSIOLTJ and insert a z piece
slow nimbus
i think 7+x bag is good and watching people be mad over their own inability to adapt to the change is even better
primal gale
one of the ways will be redundant
that's what the dividing by 2 at the end is for
sharp condor
no
consider like
ZSIOLTJz and zSIOLTJZ
that's what the dividing by 2 is for
you're talking about ZzSIOLTJ and zZSIOLTJ
so you're removing this redundancy twice
primal gale
yeah and what's the difference between that and zZSIOLTJ/ZzSIOLTJ
that's not removing the redundancy twice
buoyant drum
this is the edge case though what if you had something in the middle, you're always going to have a duplicate right?
primal gale
because zZSIOLTJ is one way and ZzSIOLTJ is the other, just as ZSIOLTJz and zSIOLTJZ make a pair
sharp condor
ok i'll make a thread
nvm i can't lol
aABCD, AaBCD, ABaCD, ABCaD, ABCDa
aBACD, aBACD, aBACD, aBACD, aBACD
aBCAD, BaCAD, BCaAD, BCAaD, BCADa
aBCDA, BaCDA, BCaDA, BCDaA, BCDAa
suppose we have a 4bag of ABCD
and we insert anotehr A piece in
mental storm
actually guys i think we should keep this ruleset
sharp condor
ABaCD is identical to aBACD
huh
you divide by 2, 3 times
/2 /2 /2
for the 3 duplicate pieces
bold citrus
people still doing combinatorics in here
are they doing it right tho
aggg, no one pinned the most precise explanation by o sk
720 * 7
sharp condor
and you end up with 7! * 7 * 6 * 5 * 7 * 8 * 9 / 2 / 2 / 2 = 66679200
this was my answer
66 million
bold citrus
4140?
sharp condor
7! is 5040
sharp condor
that's not removing the redundancy twice
hmm i may be incorrect
but then that would still make my answer larger
7! * 7 * 6 * 5 * 8 * 9 * 10 / 2 / 2 / 2 = 95256000
bold citrus
This one
mortal scroll
7! * 7 * 6 * 5 * 8 * 9 * 10 / 2 / 2 / 2 = 95256000
i got 10! * (7 choose 3) / 8
7C3 ways to determine the pieces in the bag, 10!/8 ways to arrange them
primal gale
that's the 15,876,000 I got
mortal scroll
:thmubup:
pseudo heron
ABaCD is identical to aBACD
order matters, so these are two separate outcomes
ABaCD and aBACD, however, are identical because a and A are the same pieces
oops, wrong message
I quoted the wrong thing or I misread it
okay, I definitely misread it
whoops!
sorry lol
I have a tendency to misread things like that
hybrid pine
I wonder what the probability of having the right bag for this is. I just somehow caught a lucky break
hybrid pine
I'm being stupid. All I needed was that second L to spawn in the bag so it's actually like 1 in 7 on paper I guess
God now I want to see a 7+x bag tournament
pseudo heron
bag 1
7! * (7 C 3) * (10 P 3)
-----------------------
2^3
7! ::: number of regular bag outcomes
7 choose 3 ::: ways to pick pieces from the extra bag (order does not matter)
10 permutation 3 ::: ways to insert the pieces into the current bag (order matters)
2^3 ::: avoid double-counting the three extra pieces
alternatively, you can do (7 P 3) with (10 C 3); the order only matters in one place
just explaining the "why" behind the math 😛
open lion
if i get lucky enough can i stickspin pc
open lion
idk who is insane enough to calculate this
idk
i've never done this
i still wouldnt cause its temporary
winged tartan
to be honest, this being the subject of discussion again* when it should evidently have a straightforward answer is an indication of insanity
this is irrelevant to the thread 
open lion
its temporary anyways at least for now
winged tartan
osk should KILL everyone who uses opener
open lion
everyone would be 💀
winged tartan
to provide the services 
long palm
no im dead
winged tartan
anyways i updated my prediction
open lion
my tr better not be rollbac
fossil charm
ok fuck it i bothered just writign a script
open lion
what
fossil charm
theres 453,600 combinations for bag 1
open lion
ono
late oracle
huh...?
fossil charm
cuz people keep asking how many possible permutations there are
open lion
see darkportal is gonna disappear tmrw
fossil charm
actually wait i may be stupid
winged tartan
open lion
zaptor bad pin
late oracle
oh
sharp condor
lol
open lion
perfect bag
open lion
idk if ppl will play 7x after its removed
wild geyser
i feel like this kinda removes some aspect of skill in the game
honest oriole
honestly starting with ss or zz isnt even that bad
you can just tuck into each other
wild geyser
i get it with people disliking sdpc and pc loops
but tki is also really hard to do anymore
which is skill based
rare crystal
is it getting reverted
honest oriole
is it getting reverted
after weekend
rare crystal
i've been checking the environment
wild geyser
6-3 is more difficult to start
rare crystal
and like
dusk forge
Why did they even implemented it in ranked and not quickplay just like april fools thing....
rare crystal
it's still there
winged tartan
yeah quickplay is useless for defining this
open lion
i agre
dusk forge
Or make a 2nd ranked lobby to test thing?
winged tartan
and it was tried in quick play, ironically i remember people not really noticing
dusk forge
Like it affect the tr rank
wild geyser
yea
open lion
i just think there should've been a warning and it would've been ok
open lion
i climbed back to X
sharp condor
i just think there should've been a warning and it would've been ok
yea at least they added it after lol
winged tartan
i just think there should've been a warning and it would've been ok
my guy this is the warning
wild geyser
its something weird
winged tartan
sharp condor
was that always there
cursive sierra
damn the 4widers are back
sharp condor
oh lol wtf
open lion
i just mean like 2 seconds after
honest oriole
after a bit
winged tartan
and if you think the 30 minutes or so this wasn't there was AWFUL, ok then
but now is now, and the warning is there so
sharp condor
so no then zz
wild geyser
and if you think the 30 minutes or so this wasn't there was **AWFUL**, ok then
can make the warning bigger
open lion
well not that bad bassically everyone with didscord knew
wild geyser
i just skimmed over it lol
sharp condor
yea i have friends who just didn't see it
wild geyser
or make i a pop up notif
wild geyser
yea i didnt see it
chilly robin
That’s on you ngl
wild geyser
tunnel vision
open lion
i seee hugeeeee gap
chilly robin
The warning is big enough
honest oriole
its very visible
pseudo heron
it's definitely been there for at least 10 hours
winged tartan
yea i have friends who just didn't see it
frankly if they didn't see that, i don't see them reading patchnotes about this either
charred walrus
honest oriole
i just put the 2 z piece on right
sharp condor
next pieces are IITT
honest oriole
next pieces are IITT
i actually got triple t lol
charred walrus
still fine
sharp condor
ok I piece is good actually
winged tartan
this wasn't an instantaneous timeline, but i guess it wasn't 30 minutes
winged tartan
i was still a little late to only begrudgingly posting that message
charred walrus
t overhang
wild geyser
i feel like tl should just be kept normal
sharp condor
"just a game" is a silly mentality
winged tartan
it's also immediately noticable, you'll lose one game at most and as osk always says
open lion
do u have to code the msg in or can u drag and drop a text bubble
winged tartan
wat
open lion
code warning into the game
winged tartan
it's html, people don't like it when you call that code
vast matrix
it's not visible in my screen
open lion
oh
vast matrix
not complaining bc i already knew
but it's not visible for me unless i scroll down lmfao
primal gale
it's not visible in my screen
there's a setting to get rid of that ad box isn't there
vast matrix
there's a setting to get rid of that ad box isn't there
is there
winged tartan
yop
winged tartan
primal gale
has the same effect as using an Adblock on browser
open lion
?
vast matrix
well i didnt know about toggling ads i just wanted to prove that it's possible for the warning to not be visible 😭
primal gale
again, you'll play one game, realize stuff is weird, and quit if you don't like it
heck I'm one of the biggest opener mains out there, I'm basically a joke for how opener reliant I am, and I still played it
iron blade
frankly if they didn't see that, i don't see them reading patchnotes about this ...
what if we had this instead
chilly robin
Make it flashing
winged tartan
well i mean just moving it above the matchmaking button alone would interrupt people's muscle memory
vast matrix
well i mean just moving it above the matchmaking button alone would interrupt pe...
which would be for the best
for a warning
charred walrus
SELECT ALL BAGS WITH 7+X captcha
long palm
SELECT ALL BAGS WITH 7+X captcha
hybrid pine
Pop up dialog (replace Peter Griffin with the actual message)
winged tartan
dusk forge
frankly if they didn't see that, i don't see them reading patchnotes about this ...
There is patchnote?
open lion
mak butter
iron blade
ok i was testing something to see how this would look and i clicked it and it instantly threw me into a game
winged tartan
There is patchnote?
no there's not, but i saw a lot of people ignore the last few ones lol
bold citrus
ok i was testing something to see how this would look and i clicked it and it in...
swap the text from the button
bold citrus
text, not containers
winged tartan
bold citrus
enter matchmaking has big font you can use
iron blade
well either way thats probably gone by now
winged tartan
ehh it's been spoken about, namely by garbo
winged tartan
im already in game
so quit yappin and win 
bold citrus
nice font
iron blade
so quit yappin and win <:ultreme:676946101143863343>
ok hold on
honest oriole
i have 100% winrate in 7-X
iron blade
ok done
severe spindle
how many pieces does this change again..
slender torrent
my guy this is the warning
took just 3 tls to appear
honest oriole
how many pieces does this change again..
it adds 7 pieces total?
bold citrus
thought Solstice was U, hmm
honest oriole
3 in first bag 2 in second and 1 in third and fourth
sharp condor
your first 35 pieces are affected and then it goes back to normal
winged tartan
took just 3 tls to appear
oh you knew 
dusk forge
it adds 7 pieces total?
Nah it add extra suffering
iron blade
but thanks for the compliment 
honest oriole
Nah it add extra suffering
sounds like someone cant live without their openers
this is actually really helpful for me because im already trying to open games with 6-3
slender torrent
what if we had this instead
What about being able to mash de button only if you check mark a box aggreing with the terms
honest oriole
mmm yes pco
bold citrus
you hover the queue button and colors invert, light theme highlighting the warning
honest oriole
i think it would be funny to hit X with 7+X but i also kinda want to earn it
slender torrent
@winged tartan if you guys actually threw this thing on tl im openning a better alternative
dusk forge
Make a 2nd rank for this thing .....
winged tartan
are you threatening me with a competing tetris video game because i am not the person to threaten with this sort of thing
dusk forge
Is all i can say if you want to add this thing
long palm
queue splitting was already discussed
slender torrent
#1234284921795772446
bold citrus
just 3 minos on the board and boom
dusk forge
Now im just playing just to lose to my muscle memory
iron blade
What about being able to mash de button only if you check mark a box aggreing wi...
I agree to the terms and conditions and Tetra League privacy policy.
hardy beacon
GUYS Could we get a 20 wide league and iteks in it from tf like all hidden piece for opp watever for a fair and dynamic game without relying on the oppressive opener that anyone could learn if they want
bold citrus
I understood half of it
cursive sierra
Im in support of a hidden queue
bold citrus
there, deciphered
winged tartan
what's happening is more shitposting 
cursive sierra
Messing with board bags is too chaotic
bold citrus
just 2 next pieces
cursive sierra
I think doing the 1/2/4 preview for the first 3 bags would solves quite a bit of problems
bold citrus
first piece pentomino, then rest is normal 7-bag
cursive sierra
I dont think speed is the problem?
cursive sierra
Tetrio isnt as speed reliant as other games
cursive sierra
Even though it’s unlimited tuning
hardy beacon
same as opener
slender torrent
what's happening is more shitposting <:kogori:714221972858339378>
Isnt the entire thread shitpost taken in game
sharp condor
I think doing the 1/2/4 preview for the first 3 bags would solves quite a bit of...
i still like this idea
cursive sierra
Tec and jstris are speed reliant
winged tartan
no
sharp condor
🤔
quick sapphire
I think realistically changing the bag system from 7 bag to 7 ( something something ) is a good start to spice up tetrio and create a competitive format that isn't generally used in "stacker" games.
I absolutely welcome the idea. It doesn't even need to be 7-X.
slender torrent
it def is
honest oriole
isnt like literally the main appeal of tetrio over the others are uncapped speed
sharp condor
i feel like speed has way more impact in tetrio compared to tec
long palm
yeah
sharp condor
idk about main appeal
cursive sierra
Remember the Tetris friend with the koreans
sharp condor
but it's a main appeal
sharp condor
tetrio has like the highest pps gaming
charred walrus
i feel like speed has way more impact in tetrio compared to tec
Wait u can win with less speed in tetrio
cursive sierra
If anything 7+x buffed speed
sharp condor
Wait u can win with less speed in tetrio
can't you in tec
charred walrus
If anything 7+x buffed speed
this
slender torrent
If its to add 7+x when buffing 4widing
hardy beacon
they need to also force the opp to hold when a player holds like mutal hold
its only fair
long palm
mutual hold would be an awful idea
charred walrus
can't you in tec
Surely 90dpm cant actually beat like 120 right
cursive sierra
Flat stacking with x+7 is easier than t-spinning in 7+x lol
sharp condor
i think it's mostly because in tetrio lots of players trade efficiency for speed
whereas in TEC people are like all slow so efficiency is usually a lot closer
if that makes sense
cursive sierra
Just because tec is slower than tetrio doesn’t mean it’s less speed reliant
Tec’s speed problem is precisely due to speed cap
split flame
Here are some response from** few streamers **had from this topic, (Rough explanation):
1.Great, main reason: great game play, not just openers anymore, not as much 4-wide as people thinks, more variety.
- This could be a weekly thing, do not have separate mode for this.
These are not my words, Since I don't even do TL.
cursive sierra
If you’re slower at 1 point you’re slow for the entire game in tec
dusk forge
Why dont in lower rank they just lower the fire power of an btb and pc if the problem is about they cant counter it properly
So they can more focus on how to stack and survive properly
slender torrent
Here are some response from** few streamers **had from this topic, (**Rough expl...
If you dont even do tl why even you had to put that on their mind 
spring minnow
Here are some response from** few streamers **had from this topic, (**Rough expl...
variety is crazy i do have to say
cursive sierra
We need to establish if the problem is with the lower rank or the higher rank
winged tartan
well a lot of people keep on claiming that 4wide is rampant, the only solution to the new bag system
split flame
If you dont even do tl why even you had to put that on their mind <:serikabwah:1...
that is indeed a great question just maybe wanted to see a change
winged tartan
If you dont even do tl why even you had to put that on their mind <:serikabwah:1...
i mean you are literally motivated to make people think that
spring minnow
as in a crazy thing to say
its either bad freestyle or well stacking
4w if you 4w
slender torrent
I would play 4w TL over 7+x
cursive sierra
It’s just flat stacking for tetrises
dusk forge
Im my case i just too dumb to think what to do because there is no more opener
spring minnow
9-0
cursive sierra
Maybe the mode is too immature for people to to t-spin
dusk forge
So i just die before putting my 5 block or i missdrop because keep remembering how 7 bag was
vast matrix
ok i beat an U rank, keep the change
cursive sierra
But aside from openers, I see a lot more pps spam now
spring minnow
ye
wild geyser
what it looks like for me
dusk forge
Just look the few first piece and do the rest whitout looking at preview
tired flame
Im my case i just too dumb to think what to do because there is no more opener
current thought is to stack 4w, 6-3, 5-4 or 9-0
vast matrix
ok i beat an U rank, keep the change
(JOKING) (except the part where i did beat an u rank)
wild geyser
i use web version
honest oriole
no because people in X can downstack cheese
spring minnow
literal days because you can wait out lock delay for 57240493289024230 pieces
split flame
This topic is very controversial. I just added the idea for funs, didn't think it would escalate like this
honest oriole
bro who is stalling that long lmao
sharp condor
bro who is stalling that long lmao
me
chilly robin
everyone
spring minnow
opponent has spotty connection:
spring minnow
seize the opportunity
slender torrent
This topic is very controversial. I just added the idea for funs, didn't think i...
since you have that strange power pls #1020069354366324766
winged tartan
This topic is very controversial. I just added the idea for funs, didn't think i...
well if you didn't make the thread, osk would've lol
not to pick on you but your creation of the thread wasn't exactly influential as far as the topic goes
sharp condor
Xrazoc is my hero
slender torrent
wtf
split flame
not to pick on you but your creation of the thread wasn't exactly influential as...
Well I didn't even think anyone would push this topic this far to begin win
winged tartan
the reason this was such a bombastic rollout is specifically because nobody was pushing the topic anymore 
fading spire
7+x can be fun, but I would hate for it to be the new norm ngl
sharp condor
fax
spring minnow
ye
sharp condor
the reason this was such a bombastic rollout is specifically because nobody was ...
it could have been less bombastic
like announce it before people queue or something
winged tartan
how often are you going to say this
slender torrent
Well I didn't even think anyone would push this topic this far to begin win
I literally read that at morning and I was like
"lol funny stuff for custom lobbies"
after my work I went to tl to refresh my mind and then that happens :|
winged tartan
if that notice was above the queue button, shifting it downwards, i'd argue that the notice would've been more impactful than an announcement in #news
sharp condor
i think it would have been nice to have a popup after you click tetra league
dusk forge
This topic is very controversial. I just added the idea for funs, didn't think i...
What did we even do to deserve this mode
fading spire
well, I wasn't surprised by it because I did notice the thing, (and I stopped caring much for TL) but I can see how some people were peeved
sharp condor
if that notice *was* above the queue button, shifting it downwards, i'd argue th...
yea i think most people don't really check #news
slender torrent
What did we even do to deserve this mode
I mean the mode isnt bad
fading spire
i think it would have been nice to have a popup after you click tetra league
adding on to this, it can just be a one-time popup for when you first queue
slender torrent
but be obligated to play it on ranked system is kinda..
winged tartan
i keep mentioning the
drifting veldt
What did we even do to deserve this mode
nerf stinky opener mai ns
vast matrix
is it bm to say something about the bag in the in game chat
chilly robin
no unless ur blaming the bag or something along those lines
split flame
I May not be a true TL gamer but I can relate most of these stuff everyone is talk about here
vast matrix
we had this like s s o o bag and i typed "this bag" and the other guy didnt say anything i wonder if he thought i was trolling or something lmao
i just found it funny
winged tartan
no unless ur blaming the bag or something along those lines
well blame the game, not the player
honest oriole
should be fine
winged tartan
you're entitled to express your opinion, unless your opinion is derogatory towards people
slender torrent
winged tartan
sticker because it's literally a TL popup
anyways yeah
vast matrix
good
split flame
I'm very curious what the end results we get from this massive topic.
dusk forge
I'm very curious what the end results we get from this massive topic.
A massive hate from me ofc
slender torrent
Aint no loop
honest oriole
4w is op now mfs when they learn how to cancel cheese
quick sapphire
Not met a single 4 wider yet.
daring moss
nerf 4 wide
quick sapphire
I've played around 20 matches so far.
vast matrix
i also dont 4wide because i've always sucked at it so i cant myself prove it's actually good or not lmao
i hope it is not actually meta because that would suck a lot
charred walrus
Do you opener main
vast matrix
damn i was only a little bit i went from like 23k to 22.8 and stayed there lol
mystic yoke
Cad review 7+X-Bag
TL history aside (my MDs are exposed lel) I'm missing openers as "a segueway into controlling midgame".
7+X bag feels like it's taking alot of pathing and continuations away and just playing blind
is it good? sure yea, but it's not only "kills openers" but kills "how comfortable I am for the next 7 bags"
well, not that I'll say whether that's good
but sprinters just run away with not needing to be fancy
charred walrus
Bro ive trolled opener super hard at least 3 times by now
By just like trying to find a tsd
and failing
so i just stack like a 1pps d rank for 10 pieces
mystic yoke
I've been trolling by trying to find PCs
dusk forge
I drop 200 rank.....
vast matrix
i hate when i use first t to build tsd and then the second t is super late and my board becomes ultra messy
slender torrent
I've played around 20 matches so far.
oh ur higher rank than me now
vast matrix
building 9-0 is probably safer if tki-ish is not available
drifting veldt
this change is wacky i hate it now
mystic yoke
By just like trying to find a tsd
me when i try to do a TKI-ish bag but T is 11th piece
slender torrent
I have mech 10% of the times
charred walrus
me when
slender torrent
I just have to be luck enough to get it 5 times in a gamr
vast matrix
"tki-ish" is my new favorite term
solemn grove
i hope it is not actually meta because that would suck a lot
gonna be meta if and only if 7+x stays
vast matrix
gonna be meta if and only if 7+x stays
we dont know that
charred walrus
Ok wait there should totally be like
Time at the start of each round
to examine the bag
charred walrus
me when
and come up with funny 👍
I mean i guess u get 3 seconds but like
Im plonker
slender torrent
Im plonker
where 3app game
dusk forge
I drop 200 rank.....
So im gonna say that the way you try to stop opener main is succeed...... and maybe also made them crying blood and losing sanity
did i enjoy it? No.
Why? You put this thing on sunday... the day where i can play almost fulltime.... and you made it 24 hours...... also im an opener main so duck this mode
severe spindle
Rip kuro
mystic yoke
just osk
slender torrent
I drop 200 rank.....
lol 200 rank
mystic yoke
pls pls test removing PCs one day
slender torrent
I went 24.3k to 19k
dusk forge
From top 400 to 600 is big gap
sharp condor
pls pls test removing PCs one day
won't affect majority of players at all
winged tartan
yeah lol
mystic yoke
then pls do it
sharp condor
most discussion will probs just come from opener mains
cuz you woulnd't reall ynotice it if you are the opponent
it would just be like playing a regular opponent
dusk forge
Now i will need fo win like 20-30 times to just to back to my rank
severe spindle
From top 400 to 600 is big gap
I dropped 100tr ..
charred walrus
pls pls test removing PCs one day
Time to be sad after midgame pcs
drifting veldt
bro
mystic yoke
midgame pcs are part of the bullshit
severe spindle
And theres so many more wides in use now
slender torrent
I dropped 100tr ..
I dropped almost 5k :3
dusk forge
I drop 100tr....
severe spindle
Same
charred walrus
midgame pcs are part of the bullshit
Midgame pcs are super funny and not very deadly
drifting veldt
i can find lst and then i cant even continue because the next t piece is 20 pieces away this is so aids lol
dusk forge
Imagine gaining only 5 tr every win ans losing 15 tr every lose
slender torrent
Midgame pcs are super funny and not very deadly
I think midgame pc much more deadly due margintime tho?
lament elm
i can find lst and then i cant even continue because the next t piece is 20 piec...
just double up
sharp condor
Midgame pcs are super funny and not very deadly
unless it goes into 1st-3rd and ur opponent is dpc main 😭
charred walrus
Midgame pcs are super funny and not very deadly
i use tsmds in vs so that explains why i like this
sharp condor
I think midgame pc much more deadly due margintime tho?
midgame pc during margin time is very rare
drifting veldt
just double up
no 🙂
slender torrent
midgame pc during margin time is very rare
Well happens
sharp condor
so
slender torrent
I think midgame pc more common to happen on margintime tho
sharp condor
🤔
charred walrus
I think midgame pc much more deadly due margintime tho?
anything is deadly in margin time
mystic yoke
huh?
sharp condor
yea lol
slender torrent
anything is deadly in margin time
nah
sharp condor
quad quad is deadly in margin time
mystic yoke
is that because you're bad at finding PCs niya?
spring minnow
gravity is deadly in margin time
charred walrus
gravity is deadly in margin time
Bro i swear
U would think that X ranks are fine with gravity
But i like legit just die
slender torrent
is that because you're bad at finding PCs niya?
I mean I pced mech once or twice
spring minnow
ye
sharp condor
x ranks probably have less practice with high grav
slender torrent
sharp condor
lol
dusk forge
I can get pc sometime up to 3 but its 1 in /7 chance
lament elm
But i like legit just die
???
tired flame
U would think that X ranks are fine with gravity
gravity in quickplay is why i avoid it its comparable to margin time though maybe that why a lot of x ranks play it?
dusk forge
guys opener main spotted
I have my blitz rank for a reason
slender torrent
quickplay is only playable bc of margintime
sharp condor
using quickplay as gravity practice is maniacal
spring minnow
high grav devolves into inf ds simulator with m ore mds
charred walrus
No its because high apm in qp os funny
sharp condor
ye
dusk forge
guys opener main spotted
Also we fought already before
slender torrent
hmm
sharp condor
Also we fought already before
must have been a while ago
dusk forge
Far
sharp condor
lol
tired flame
i did a 30+ minute ft7 to maintainance boot me out, too bad it didnt save it so i know the match length
sharp condor
your name does look familiar thuogh
solemn grove
actual zombie
sharp condor
wow lol
dusk forge
Also some people just straight up trolling an opener rn by making them stay in infinite ds
charred walrus
Wait ok I try to find tspins and open with like a tsd
But like i can see people just
Inf skimming
dusk forge
Thats
lament elm
paying the 35p taxes
severe spindle
Inf skimming
Thats the entire playstyle now..
mystic yoke
ive been watching people cancelling and cheesing me
mystic yoke
i just wanna do ultra
wet vine
It’s still possible to be like efficient tbf
but not consistently
daring moss
i do the 7 piece pc but only because i like gambling for a perfect clear not actually using it like its viable
open lion
Why so many 2 pps in x but average so high
charred walrus
im plonker
mystic yoke
samer
charred walrus
lots of striders
daring moss
Why so many 2 pps in x but average so high
i heard low and high x is a big difference
wet vine
because 24.9k will uhh make the average higher
charred walrus
im arguably high x
wet vine
im arguably high x
nearly 960 so yes lol
mystic yoke
ye my MD rate is exposed
open lion
I got like 80 apm 2.4 pps in 7 x
slender torrent
im trying to mech
vast matrix
sharp condor
wtf is a 7 piece pc
vast matrix
??
open lion
Nothing
sharp condor
i do the 7 piece pc but only because i like gambling for a perfect clear not act...
o discord didnt scroll
solemn grove
I hate that tl has just become inf ds
actually still applies regardless of 7+x
high u onwards is where you have to defend using hard line clears
basically anything lower than 4 lines in one attack is a nothing burger, spikes are the main unit of determining top-outs
slender torrent
upvote keep 7+x till ninetales get U rank
open lion
Till nine TAILS gets x rank
wintry spruce
i think its good that openers dont kill ppl anymore but it was really fun when they add a lot of clean garbage to the game that just pingpongs between boards
now some people just straight up afk at the start
bc most people struggle to make spikes from nothing even in high U
it seems healthier now just.. significantly more boring and drawn out
golden drum
bc most people struggle to make spikes from nothing even in high U
This is me 
And I'm in mid X lmao
solemn grove
tbh nothing much changed at high u onwards
lower ranks though,, wa
golden drum
I've just messed around with 7+X in custom 1v1s
molten pecan
openers really arent a problem if youre at a certain rank u should beable to survive openers at that rank
long palm
Got murdered by an 24.92k tr person
golden drum
From my experience a lot of people just start cheesing
slender torrent
golden drum
openers really arent a problem if youre at a certain rank u should beable to sur...
Depends on how fast they opener
hardy beacon
no i will not learn a core mechanic that everyone has been enjoying and learning about 20 years; tetris needs to change so i dont get sad when i lose to a gamer who earned his ability
mortal scroll
And I'm in mid X lmao
ive rarely seen actual spikes in mid x
like
half the sets go by without a post opener spike
long palm
Stephen's 7+X review:
Firstly, I didn't play TL as I main SDPC, one of the many openers that got nerfed to the ground in 7+X bag. I knew my TR was at risk so I instead did FT7 friendlies in lobbies.
7+X bags are really jarring, especially when getting pairs of unhelpful pieces like L and J as the random pieces in bag 1 of 4.
Early (first 2 bags) - PC clearing being nerfed by RNG was the plan of 7+X, and it works effectively.
Midgame (bags 3 into margin time) - sure, midgame pcs exist at this point, kind of standard gameplay with more PC's
Margin time - pretty much inf ds
It's a 7/10 temp change for me, as I was planning on improving my efficiency in midgame anyways, considering most players above my rank usually spam lines of cheese.
The fact that the first 35 pieces of a game, which usually is ~20s at SS, has to be completely in the hands of RNG kind of makes the first 35 pieces really painful to work through.
Compared to the other 7+N game modes, this has reasonable potential but may need some randomization changes.
grand topaz
Firstly, I didn't play TL as I main SDPC,
🤔
grand topaz
ok so my review is that i was playing TL for 6 hours with 7+X and i don't think i've ever had so much fun in TL in a very long time
but i did get blitz mained by exactly 1 person, apparently with 1 mil blitz score they can still get past it via magic, sometimes
open lion
Uhh tki or lst and pco prob still work
grand topaz
you generally didn't need to be like "oh, early O, then i have to TKI with 3+ pps" ugh
slender torrent
my review:
I still can mech sometimes, so kinda funny
golden drum
They generally do
open lion
Plus mech but it needs to bassically be mid game I think
slender torrent
no
open lion
Opener? Cause new bag?
grand topaz
i told some tetrio players i know that 7+X is up and they said "there's less aggression at the start" and another was "this was a massive blast, please osk make this change permanent".
slender torrent
I ignore how broken the first 02391209 bags are
and it suddently becomes mech later
30% of the times
10% it just works as fine
open lion
Some ppl like it some hate it
molten pecan
grand topaz
i will happily give up my opener for the sake of having more fun in all ranks
open lion
At most the game will prob be split apart into 2 tetra leagues
If they wanna implement this
grand topaz
it's funny how fun this game would be if openers weren't ruining it
open lion
It’s just an opinion tho
molten pecan
it's funny how fun this game would be if openers weren't ruining it
yeah and we should limit pps to 1.5 for everyone so it isnt ruined for slower players
open lion
If the game were split to two I’d play the 7 x cause the opener mains would be too good for me to opener them
grand topaz
yeah and we should limit pps to 1.5 for everyone so it isnt ruined for slower pl...
ha ha very funny
mental storm
hey, where'd my hax go
open lion
I kinda like the silent reply
grand topaz
I kinda like the silent reply
i don't like desktop notifications but i like being notified, so i use it a lot
be the change you wanna be, they said
open lion
Yay
long palm
how bout 7+x every week
Seasons vibe
quick sapphire
Ok I'm gonna be completely honest.
Biased part
I absolutely loved the change to the bag system. The matches I played today are some of the most enjoyable TL matches I've played in a long time. Not worrying about getting SDPC'd at 2.5pps every other round is a real breath of fresh air for me.
While I didn't win every match ( Naturally ) I don't believe I tilted once all day which is a first in a long time for me.
The fact you can still use openers but there is an increased RNG about it is perfect and enough to bring more variety to the start of every round for me.
The bag changes really punish opener mains which is huge for a freestyler like me so I was always gonna vote for it to remain.
Unbiased part
The change in bag system is in general a net positive change to tetrio.
It brings more variety to the way the beginning of each round plays and therefor adds more creativity to VS.
You're still able to do some openers with a bit of luck but the overall concept of things like "kill" openers and people that main "kill" openers ( such as SDPC ) will really struggle with the changes.
This could potentially drive people away from the game because the way they used to enjoy playing has gone and they may not wish to continue playing and make the adjustment to a different playstyle.
On the other hand other people may return to the game to try the shift in gameplay and potentially re-spark their interest in playing the game of a day to day basis.
As with all changes to tetrio. There will almost always be people that love it, and those that hate it.
It's important to strike the right balance.
Having a seperate playlist for this isn't the answer. It would split the playerbase too much. Especially in areas where queue times are already multiple minutes.
I'd love to see it permanent ( or any alternative form of bag other than 7 bag ), but that's again just personal bias.
long palm
W ninetales post
oblique apex
i want skill in the game keep 7+x
mystic yoke
the two sides of the playerbase
quick sapphire
I have genuinely not enjoyed TL as much as I've enjoyed my games today.
long palm
the two sides of the playerbase
Opener vs freestyle
royal galleon
I fully share the sentiment there, was genuinely refreshing to play this game without an overcentralizing opener meta
golden drum
I'm conflicted with this change rn lmao
On one hand I hate how I can't do any more unconventional openers. I also feel like a lot of people are starting to cheese/inf ds .
On the other hand it also feels nice not facing any annoying openers like sdpc
dusk forge
I still hate it
mystic yoke
I'm conflicted with this change rn lmao
On one hand I hate how I can't do any m...
"people starting to cheese" is just failing to adapt
quick sapphire
I still hate it
And that's absolutely ok 
.
All opinions are welcome.
Mutual respect is important.
golden drum
Yeah
grand topaz
I'm conflicted with this change rn lmao
On one hand I hate how I can't do any m...
i find that if you guard the openers because they didn't get the PC + you don't die to the c-spin, then they already just start inf-ds-ing for 3 minutes anyway
mystic yoke
depends on the rank
grand topaz
possible, they win against me no matter what lol
mystic yoke
24.5-24.6 are like, they feel really floppy attacks but they are midgaming
royal galleon
I'm honestly under the track that versus stackers in general are getting stale with 7-bag
charred walrus
yeah and we should limit pps to 1.5 for everyone so it isnt ruined for slower pl...
i agree
royal galleon
Having this slight change to the randomizer made so much of a difference
charred walrus
Midgame is literally the same minus the initial addition of some clean
Like i thought people would be on infskim mode
royal galleon
The midgame is fine, yeah
slender torrent
i want skill in the game keep 7+x
you say as opener wasnt a skill that people learn by repeating it 02930293293 times
charred walrus
But the reality is people are always on infskim mode without clean garbage
mystic yoke
something I learned is that Im starting the sets vibing by sending clean
charred walrus
you say as opener wasnt a skill that people learn by repeating it 02930293293 ti...
Its an overly repetitive skill that can stifle the creativity and freshness of the underlying game
bitter basalt
- Good things
- cool
- its very new so rank really depends on skill
- bye bye sdpc dpc loop and tsar cannon
- bad things
- not 70apm stride games
- more cheese lines
- why my field being C rank
- apm is a lot fluctuating
hardy beacon
tetris is inherently repetitive and its a core part of the appeal
rugged ether
and people are constantly trying to plonk me
send more tss/ tsm
mystic yoke
that doesnt keep the board clean
hardy beacon
theres only 7 pieces and u clear a line with them literally thats all we are doing
charred walrus
I feel the C rank field lmao thats me when theres not an obvious tsd
mystic yoke
saaaaame
royal galleon
Plonk is essentially waiting for you to send a medium clean attack, the counter is to make a big spike so that tanking isn't feasible
It's a rock-paper-scissors game
charred walrus
theres only 7 pieces and u clear a line with them literally thats all we are doi...
find me two cheese races that are the same
charred walrus
striding is kinda op
mystic yoke
striding is giga strong, wym
charred walrus
but its been op so whatever
hardy beacon
maybe create a cheese league then atleast theres a point in that
wet vine
I feel the C rank field lmao thats me when theres not an obvious tsd
lmaooo literally me
ill be like: wtf is life
oblique apex
memorization =/= skill
wet vine
when i can't find tsd
royal galleon
striding is countered by effective plonking, plonking is countered by effective spike timing, spiking is countered by striding
mystic yoke
if i take an obvious shachiku, how memorized is that
half bone
hi I thought this was good
some bags were truly terrible but at least I know my opponent was also suffering
that's my review
bitter basalt
stride at opener -> my field being c rank -> opponent plonking -> die
rugged ether
tspins aren't skill because you memorized the setup
hardy beacon
i asked the question last night at what rank is the opener thing a problem where players are bullied and the only answer i saw is ss
literally its not true
if someone loses to opener in ss its absolutely whatever
go and learn one
winged tartan
you have sent less than 100 messages in the server, why should everyone immediately yield to your knowledge of this community
charred walrus
if i take an obvious shachiku, how memorized is that
its slightly different from other shachikus cuz ur board and queue are different
hardy beacon
and the lower it is the less relevant it becomes
charred walrus
unless ur an opener main no 2 games play out the exact same
mystic yoke
i dont like naming "memorization isnt skill" in total right
long palm
if someone loses to opener in ss its absolutely whatever
SDPC nukes go brrrrr
hardy beacon
like players are serious about openers being unfair in c or b even a
long palm
10s rounds
hardy beacon
really?
wet vine
tspins aren't skill because you memorized the setup <:tf:1064614662479556618>
there's prolly tons of variation in tspin, it's mostly tspin vision
hardy beacon
let alone ss
charred walrus
and if u are an opener main then every round plays out in one of 2 ways
hardy beacon
i mean come on
royal galleon
Openers plague everywhere up to low X lmao
charred walrus
i dont like naming "memorization isnt skill" in total right
memorization is a skill, i just dont like how repetitive opener gaming is
slender torrent
im feeling laggy
long palm
and if u are an opener main then every round plays out in one of 2 ways
Spin the Rng wheel
quick sapphire
you have sent less than 100 messages in the server, why should everyone immediat...
slender torrent
memorization =/= skill
define skill for you
charred walrus
Like i want to see something new not the same 35 piece placements every game
wet vine
school is memorization mostly
quick sapphire
school is memorization mostly
That's generally how school works. 
long palm
dos how many hours do you have in tetrio
hardy beacon
1500+
charred walrus
Its genuinely cool when i find a tsd tsd quad setup but not so when i build sdpc for the 3000th time
winged tartan
(they've been above SS rank for at least 3 years now)
wet vine
That's generally how school works. <a:CH_Kek:742284778409164801>
yep and yet u get a certifcate for it
queen barn
super biased but i loved the 7+x bag
grand topaz
Like i want to see something new not the same 35 piece placements every game
the irony that people's argument "for opener" is that it "offers more variety" and then place the same 28 pieces in the exact same position in every single game over 1200 hours
quick sapphire
super biased but i loved the 7+x bag
I'm super biased too!!! 
tired flame
I think i can handle the strange queues, just not hte starting bag
grand topaz
It's everything I always wanted, 7+X that is
tired flame
seeing ninetales freestyle mko and 5-4 and doing b2bx4-5 koing hte opponent within 35 pieces was interesting
rugged ether
the irony that people's argument "for opener" is that it "offers more variety" a...
i like being sent 3 pcs and surviving. it gets the adrenaline pumping fr
long palm
seeing ninetales freestyle mko and 5-4 and doing b2bx4-5 koing hte opponent with...
lol damn
queen barn
it is still very possible to build tsd or tss in early game but its a lot more interesting and it actually forces you to consider your opening pieces
tired flame
seeing ninetales freestyle mko and 5-4 and doing b2bx4-5 koing hte opponent with...
But i also think if opponent chose to stride 35 pieces then play midgame would had wrecked
quick sapphire
seeing ninetales freestyle mko and 5-4 and doing b2bx4-5 koing hte opponent with...
I've been a freestyler for as long as I can remember. It's my absolute favourite way to play.
To hell with metas or kill openers.
grand topaz
I kept freestyling STSD, somewhat unsurprisingly
royal galleon
I honestly prefer adapting to an entire queue over looking for the ordering of 1 or 2 pieces and then muscle-memorying an opener
tired flame
I've been a freestyler for as long as I can remember. It's my absolute favourite...
they can go more brainddead stride 35 pieces out of 7+x then midgame and wreck you while you slowly try to freestyle the 💀 5 bags
which you ropponents didnt from what i saw
but my matches was just that
quick sapphire
they can go more brainddead stride 35 pieces out of 7+x then midgame and wreck y...
Do you think I fear ... midgame!?!?!? Hah! I haven't feared midgame since the days of facing matthew.
grand topaz
they can go more brainddead stride 35 pieces out of 7+x then midgame and wreck y...
I had 2.3 pps in some games even with 7+X which is like, my usual speed even with 7-bag
Freestyle isn't slowing me down haha
wet vine
it's nice/fun for practice, i still won't consider it
queen barn
its nice not getting nuked in 6 seconds
on the other hand i miss nuking people in 6 seconds
red blaze
As someone who play non guidelines more often, even if it is too early to evaluate it since I only played like 3 ish TL games with that, I think it is good
tired flame
I had 2.3 pps in some games even with 7+X which is like, my usual speed even wit...
yeah maybe it's just a me needing to playmore and try out 7+x more if it ever comes back
i just 9-0 quad then go down
royal galleon
Yeah my stats with 7+X did not change from regular TL
charred walrus
My “average speed” is dropping cuz im not getting stride 3pps opener rounds
grand topaz
i just 9-0 quad then go down
Significantly more reasonable opening damage than sdpc/dpc/sdpc/dpc
quick sapphire
In all honesty I really feel like it hasn't gone on long enough for a lot of people to come up with a fair decision of their like or dislike of the changes.
charred walrus
But my actual speed isnt gonna really change that much
mystic yoke
its nice not getting nuked in 6 seconds
on the other hand i miss nuking people i...
i miss controlling with opener
cos my goal wasnt ever to kill, just to keep b2b
tired flame
I still think #1233972737576276040 would be a more fair compromise
long palm
In all honesty I really feel like it hasn't gone on long enough for a lot of peo...
That’s true yeah
tired flame
though idk if it will be exploited theorycrafting
queen barn
i missed gamushiro counterspike 😔
mystic yoke
but gamu sucks
long palm
I only did customs
royal galleon
Omw to host a 7+X tournament
quick sapphire
When 
get double 
in the first bag and they cry because they have to waste a .
grand topaz
In all honesty I really feel like it hasn't gone on long enough for a lot of peo...
I started playing it and loved it from start to finish lmaooo tho I did somehow still get blitzed but only once
minor coral
Omw to host a 7+X tournament
quick sapphire
I've gone up massively in TR compared to the start of the day.
queen barn
my rating has increased a substantial amount but my average stats got fucked
severe spindle
I honestly just feel like midgame is dead and not as fun for me bc everyone just kinda switched to inf ds and cheese
grand topaz
When <:rank_x:758747882215047169> get double <:piece_t:731324131550822510> in th...
Meanwhile top-X uses 2 T to make fractal quad lmao