#Sin master race general

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spark forum
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No matter how much i concentrate on weaving, no matter what kind of buffs i use, no matter which rotation i choose.....my damage numbers are just bad

random nova
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You have mboost set?

blissful harbor
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mb boost set really ads towards burst, specially in pvp

spark forum
random nova
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Which weapons do you have

spark forum
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Gbg Dagger + Sword +11/+10

safe charm
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low crit ?

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acc set maybe helps

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and shards ofc

lime badger
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Any idea what strike resist tiamat has?

blissful harbor
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@grizzled current

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he prob knows

blissful harbor
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@safe charm that was close i got your sm in a throw dagger when u guys jumped there

safe charm
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xD

blissful harbor
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was at most 2m away so hhe got luckyt

safe charm
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^^

spark forum
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Hey fellow Sins: are you upgrading your 5 slot BT gear for the PvE Content or just wait for 6 slot because 5 slot isnt worth it?

blissful harbor
spark forum
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200 DPS are not that bad 🙂

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On the other hand the investment for all 6 slot is maybe not worth it

blissful harbor
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avg

ivory lance
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Allthough if you don’t plan to enchant it for the pve bonus 50e as attack set is very good too, was easier to socket as well

blissful harbor
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true

random nova
spark forum
random nova
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isnt the next best gear lvl 60 for sin? since the new one from 2.8.5 looks useless besides some pve def

safe charm
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gonna be hard socket+ench 60 lvl gear ngl

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market sucks currently

safe charm
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yeah same i think

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abg/cav+50e

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maybe cav cloth if i trade in newer medal idk

blissful harbor
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then wait 3.2 to get rest accs 3.2 upgradeable

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so i can have diff ring/earring for good swaps

ivory lance
blissful harbor
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yea upcoming stuff is like 850-900 crit

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agent atm is 900

random nova
blissful harbor
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yea full atk5s

random nova
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and since his gear didnt got updated since 3 months , this run should be the gear displayed

blissful harbor
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having 50% crit is roughly 15% more avg dmg

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prob more with rng luck offhand rng dmg

random nova
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but how do they get more crit when both rings only give accu and atk

blissful harbor
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yea they dont

rocky cloak
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Should be arround 165 dps, if nothing has changed since 2016 :D

blissful harbor
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1/0.8= 1.25
main hand + skill 1.25x25+25=56.25
offhand autos 1.25x25=31.25x0,9= 28.125 ( offhand efficency)
crit effectivness 84.375x1.15

with 50% crit its avg 97 more dps

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i actually forgot offhand, so i added it

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rng play a huge factor, due to offhand efficencly not reaching 100%

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specially with crits, i just normalized crits for now

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thats roughly 2.5% more dmg if u have 4000 dps and add 25 green atk

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it all ads up for shure, but better to put in enchantment + , as white atk is 10% more efficent then adding atk stones

rocky cloak
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Autohits are 2 separate hits damage wise.

blissful harbor
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yes as i stated above, i forgot offhand x)

rocky cloak
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Autohit + 2 skills per second is average

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Good sins will do more

rocky cloak
blissful harbor
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still avg wil prob be around 100 dps extra

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able to do 1 auto animation( mh+oh) and 2 skills is not going to be many, due to game engine

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except those we know can do fang chain + 3 auto atk animations during 1 sec

rocky cloak
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Its not hard to be above 4 hits/second

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And i didnt understand your math tbh, but i dont really want to argue 😅

blissful harbor
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thats KR ping, not many will be able to have these

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1 auto animation + 2 skills

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in 1 sec

random nova
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that normal 😄

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legit way is 4 in 1 sec

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5 is kinda sus

rocky cloak
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Trust me, any above average sin is above 4 hits on atkspeed cap

blissful harbor
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yea but adding 2 auto animations 2 skills is not normal, do that for full pheisos and u prob have ahk macro

rocky cloak
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Even up to 4.5

blissful harbor
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u have to add human error to calc, else its not gona be a good parse

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ppl aint gona do that perfectly, specially with roughly 20-35 ping with gf servers

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for 6-8min straight

rocky cloak
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There are legit 50 sins on atreia doing 4hits/s on a stationary boss

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Its average

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Not even good

blissful harbor
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stationary bosses that matters does not exist anymore in our current patch tho

rocky cloak
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Phaestos is stationary no?

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Next boss aswell iirc

blissful harbor
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thats avg 7 min fight

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xD

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no one does that perfectly

rocky cloak
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Why not?

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Also as i said

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Its average

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If youre good you will be way above those counts

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By average i mean its the average of top 100 sins

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Not that people who started yesterday will do it

blissful harbor
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cutout from eu top 1 sin eu pheistos

rocky cloak
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Who is top 1 sin phaestos?

blissful harbor
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faramys

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when i mean auto, i aint ++ ing mh + oh, 1 auto is 1 mh + 1 oh

rocky cloak
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Lets say it like that

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I know 10 sins that did 4hits/s on hyperion back in 4.x patch

random nova
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say some names

rocky cloak
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And people improved since back then

blissful harbor
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checka

rocky cloak
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Meilo, me, riv, crit, tsunave‘s sin :D

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Some french sins aswell

blissful harbor
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again checka taking fast animation carv+ sigil

random nova
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french sins xD

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next you say ichirow or kezwich

spark forum
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When do we get a new PvE Set? With 3.0 or 3.2?

blissful harbor
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nanahira is top 1 sin shugowizard

rocky cloak
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Flurry did it aswell iirc

random nova
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who else?

rocky cloak
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Ye cant tell about that

blissful harbor
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there is a physical limitation and hard to perfectly weave long fights, due to human error

rocky cloak
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I‘d need to check some arm files but im at phone :c

blissful harbor
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and boses atm beside old AF tahabata and padma there is no dummy fight any more 😦

rocky cloak
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Ouh actually i think i made a mistake. I calculated with arm hits because thats what we used back then :D but i think sword rng hits are counted there aswell

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Still im pretty sure its more than possible

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But maybe not for average players

random nova
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you mean auto atk, skill, auto atk, skill whole fight?

rocky cloak
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Nah

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That sounds below averagee

random nova
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and what is pro for you?

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ichirow style and use 3 auto atk and 3 skills in same second?

blissful harbor
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Assassins, due to their DW mastery level 5
each of their non-critical offhand attacks have 20% chance that their pre-defense total damage will be reduced to 90%. Roughly, without factoring in enemy physical defense:
For normal hits, 80% chance of dealing full damage, 20% chance of dealing 90% damage.
For critical hits, 64% chance of dealing full damage, 32% chance of dealing 90% damage, and 4% chance of dealing 81% danage.

blissful harbor
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thats what i meant

rocky cloak
blissful harbor
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u weave timer those for animation canceling

random nova
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i thought sins doesnt weave

blissful harbor
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still perfect weaves + cancel animation in 7minutes no human will do that perfect

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
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The exact perfect millisecond? Noone will do it :D

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But there are people who trained that shit for years and you wouldnt be able to tell if there was one failed weave in 10 minutes

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
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Hm

grizzled current
lime badger
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How does the wall of lament work?
Can you reset boss or there's only 1 try?

sullen pilot
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10 attempts

lime badger
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Thanks!

cinder wind
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Hello, I'm wondering if this type of GS is available on this patch and if it's anygood compared to other choices, thx

safe charm
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i think it is in menotios godstone bundle

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maybe slayer godstone bundle aswell

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but not worth

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new ench system makes it half a second

blissful harbor
gusty plank
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ERIC THE GURU xD

blissful harbor
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no guru

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just redhead

gusty plank
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agents soon ?

blissful harbor
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yy

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gelk

gusty plank
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ahmm must be dreamin

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is it real so many crits dafaak

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even i dont crit that much lol

safe charm
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Ouch

spark forum
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Looks like normal life as a sorc player

restive vessel
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hey guys anyone know exactly how much crit u need for pvp with food+scrolls+Clear foucs

blissful harbor
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850+

restive vessel
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Som ppl told me 850 som told me 900 so wasn’t sure what to aim for

blissful harbor
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geared will have between 350-400 strike resist

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850 is the lowest amount u need vs +10 armor and gbg accesorys

ivory lance
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Yea, 2 pieces cava full crit (chest/pants) puts you at nice position imo. 870 crit with food then

restive vessel
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kool thx guys

vapid gyro
ivory lance
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Eric knows something we dont!

gusty plank
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what about spell resist

ivory lance
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Dont think we can reach any number of spell resist that matters im only at 33 with full ET

gusty plank
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i reach 39 with egbg

blissful harbor
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even pve we should start aiming for 850-900😂

vapid gyro
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Yeah, seeing how many sr lvl 58-60 mobs have might as well go for the same crit cap for both pvp and pve lol

blissful harbor
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think its mostly bosses, i know pheistos is ~850 crit and agent is 900

vapid gyro
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What about mobs?

blissful harbor
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no idea tbh

vapid gyro
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Ok, doesn't really matter

vapid gyro
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Is the healing effect from Blood Rune increased in 3.0 onwards or is it supposed to be effective in the current patch?

blissful harbor
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imo it should heal double xD but it heals like 2.3k pve what i seen atleast

vivid wagon
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With best mboost set 4.3k heal or 4.5k depends on fire resistance from the target (mob) or debuff from sorcs or sm/sin

safe charm
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revenge xD

blissful harbor
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fumbled my slideshots too xD so missed my runes

blissful harbor
vapid gyro
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Will try later

vivid wagon
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i don’t mean the dmg u deal on the mob (I mean the life leech) but if u notice the heal rune is always a double hit on the target the second dmg don’t appear in the chat/dmg log that’s almost the leech u get. @blissful harbor

blissful harbor
vivid wagon
blissful harbor
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green sum popping

blissful harbor
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i just miss weaps

vivid wagon
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heal rune deals normally more dmg then the normal silence rune rly funny xD

blissful harbor
vapid gyro
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If it's just to deal runes, then weapon doesn't really matter as long as it's 6 slot, does it? Like you could get away with 50e or 55e gold weapon for example

blissful harbor
vapid gyro
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Yeah, makes sense

vivid wagon
vivid wagon
blissful harbor
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still 12% pvp dmg is alot , when it hits quite hard

blissful harbor
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so its dmg + dmg leech

vivid wagon
blissful harbor
vivid wagon
blissful harbor
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wish it was 4k pvp heal tho, jsut heal idc about dmg

vivid wagon
blissful harbor
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something to dispell wintry and i be happy

vivid wagon
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
vivid wagon
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problem is double para is nice if it proccs but ppl have mostly paralyze resistance if u gamble with godstone blind and something else would be stronger maybe silence but only 3.5 sec right now vs geared ppl not worth to use dispelpotion (depends on situation)

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right now i play para/atk slow

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on mboost gear poison/blood for random gs proccs and later cover u have 10% chance for poison debuff 20 sec only for switching into rune skills rly funny xd

blissful harbor
vivid wagon
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yes

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but its on second weapon procc is so rare that u kill your own silence/cover

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
vivid wagon
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weird short pronouncing xd

blissful harbor
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xD

mild storm
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is it worth sacrificing 30 attack for 100 crit for the PD and WoL

ivory lance
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Are those stats with or without food/crit scroll? For wall you don’t need as much crit as for PD

mild storm
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its with attack food and crit scroll

random nova
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Which weapons do you have

mild storm
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abg

rocky cloak
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For phaestos its 100% worth it, even going for critfood there with ur stats

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WoL i was fine with just food+scroll, but i didnt test how much crit is actually needed

mild storm
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so this wouldnt be overkill for PD?

rocky cloak
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830 is optimal if people are correct

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So 767 + crit mantra is pretty much ideal

mild storm
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thank you

ivory lance
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Wol is like 700-750 crit so full atk set is still fine there. You do need loads of accu for no parrying though 😛

silk current
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Magic boost set is really necessary ?

rancid ledge
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Realy op

random nova
cinder wind
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do you have a link to a budget/best magic boost set ? 😄 is e50 best for magic boost or you can get better ?

random nova
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i only have sw 6 slot, but you could start with tac gear, e50 or higher is good and useful if you dont fuck up the switch between sets

blissful harbor
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best budget is 50e, best is cavalier/squad suicide

best pve is sw🤓

safe charm
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Sw mb looks pointless af xD

blissful harbor
safe charm
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Gl with that

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Its good if u switch with syn otherwise dps tradeoff aint rly match

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But better for sure

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But ingame set is slowing me down af

blissful harbor
safe charm
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E50 king

blissful harbor
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it is ye

cinder wind
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Thanks guys, so if I read you correctly e50 for MB and for MACC (but e40 is good too) and when you want to have a MR set what do you use ?

blissful harbor
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gbg

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55e evasion
gbg Mr
50e mb/ma
cavalier acc
40e acc ( good acc , but u are glascannon)

silk current
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can you tell me best pve set for now

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and stats i am gonna need

blissful harbor
random nova
silk current
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and for daggers and sword ?

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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else its crafted L58 weap/legion commander dagger + crafted/legion commander sword

ivory lance
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Yea, if you have big wallet you can buy wall of lament weps (if anyone drops em) 😄

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Having the dagger would likely solve all of your parry issues in that instance too

blissful harbor
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how much acc is needed

ivory lance
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2.5k~

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i had 4 % parry on our last run

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But it really does not matter for the clear

ivory lance
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All I know is that a dagger sold for 200kk

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But as the instance is so new it will depend on drop rate for future prices I guess

silk current
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Thanks

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how crit i am gonna need for dungeons

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how much*

blissful harbor
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~670 , phaeatos ~850. agent ~900

silk current
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is there a dps guide for sin ?

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for dungeons

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and stigma build just for dungeons

random nova
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you think someone new has scripts? xD

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only thing he learns is weaving

silk current
blissful harbor
random nova
blissful harbor
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something to pratice is always good

random nova
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and didnt someone posted in discussions that flurry used 3 atks and 3 skills in one of his runs

blissful harbor
random nova
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so legit that you cant do it yourself or what?

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Never seen anyone cry this much about hacks

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my bad, hacks are ok and good for a game !!!

blissful harbor
random nova
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sounds like you can do it

safe charm
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the guide its bad af anyways

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he explains weave at least

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the rest is not needed

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good to know but still

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nobody does slideshot chains etc for f+ buff

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beast fang slideshot is worth to know at least

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geodata is so shit tho

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if it was better would be nice

silk current
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guys ı am 37 😄

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i couldn't do jumpshot 😄

ivory lance
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I'ts not something that is neccesary anyways. It's pretty nice if you pull it off against UD in pvp as the fang chain does not pull back the target then, but otherwise there is not much use at all imo 🙂

blissful harbor
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always nice to have something to be better at, there is some cases where i like to slide fang chain or beast fang in pvp when tracking targets

grave falcon
blissful harbor
grave falcon
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i never quit, i only do breaks

gusty plank
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i can teach you jumpshot its ez on pvp though kinda rare to use maybe if u start with it or chase some1

blissful harbor
grave falcon
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2 year break harold

blissful harbor
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3.0-> 3.4 huge buffs inc

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even 3.5 with no fly restriction on skills🥳

grave falcon
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crazy

blissful harbor
# grave falcon crazy

atm throw dagger works on ground, no cd shared with ambush 3.0 it also dispell shield effects

grave falcon
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does it dispel 4k dp from temp?

blissful harbor
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nezekan?

grave falcon
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yy

blissful harbor
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idk? just that im unshure

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it dispells bodyguard atleast

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spirit sub, stone skin, boic

grave falcon
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op

blissful harbor
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15m backstep stun into unbreakable hide I with +40% speed

grave falcon
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ah ye this i know

blissful harbor
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later in 3.2 something, flash of speed also put u in hide I

grave falcon
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nice anti auto target patch, they actually need to press something else

blissful harbor
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😂

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3.4 slayer 2m range

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3.4 explosive burst is instant 11m stun ( can also be socketed without needing normal stigmas before it)

grave falcon
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the cast one?

blissful harbor
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yy

grave falcon
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interesting

blissful harbor
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first row after normal stigmas can have diffrent version called ”meta” so u can ditch deadly poison

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and still socket sensory with meta version

grave falcon
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ohh so also QD will be easier to use

blissful harbor
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QD gets buff 3.0

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extra dmg on poison AND stunned target + knockdown

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shadowfall in 3.0 , it also resets focused evasion CD on use

grave falcon
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wtf

blissful harbor
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lightning slash/agonizing slash and asassination get animation locked removed🥳

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in 3.0

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we also gain killing spree in 3.0

grave falcon
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ye that was default in 3.0 , so they give it back

blissful harbor
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sigil strike turned into NORMAL skillbook in 3.0

patent kelp
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have fun

patent kelp
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gearing sin

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with atk5

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and other shit

blissful harbor
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compiled list of changes until 3.4 so far @grave falcon

grave falcon
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atk 5 still default in this patch? I was full atk 5 in 1.9

patent kelp
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and in higher patches too

blissful harbor
patent kelp
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ah ye

grave falcon
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okok

blissful harbor
grave falcon
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how much medals for the full set adn how much average a day farmable?

blissful harbor
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can check total cost here

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3.0 gbg and elite suicide/cavalier armor + accs 50% ap cost reduction

gbg weaps/eternal 55 wings 10% ap reduction

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704 medals for full cavalier set ( new eternal accuracy set)

1155 platinum medals for full gbg excluding wings and helmet( tiak main Q helmet really close)

525 azure medals for full 55e armor

grizzled current
lime badger
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Does wall of lament need as much crit strike as phaistos?

rocky cloak
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No, its a lot less. Maybe 700 or so

lime badger
silk current
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Are my stat okey for, beshmundir, padmarashka and wall of lamnent ?

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If its not what do i need

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these stats are with food and crit scroll

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And also i have tac nco weaps and 50e set

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should i do a mb set for dungeons

random nova
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get tahabata sword from tempus and flarestorm dagger if you have the kinah for it

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and set is with atk 3 stones?

silk current
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3 attack and 17 crit

random nova
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bt should be doable, but 421 atk is very low, thats like having steel rake set, for lament you wont hit anything since you need 2,4k+ accuracy, for padma idk and atk still low

silk current
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i have money

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2 padmaraska is okey ?

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ho w much attack do i gonna need

rocky cloak
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depends on how you play and how good your group(setup and players) is

silk current
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we all are newbies

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i am buying bt set now

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1 piece left

rocky cloak
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if youre all new you should maybe forget about wall of lament for now

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if youre party isnt chanter +2x sorc or smth with similar dps

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(individual skill(ping) matters in there aswell, if you lack gear and youre new to the game its gonna be hard)

silk current
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1 chanter, 1 cler, 1 bow, 1 temp and me as sin

rocky cloak
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wall of lament is 4 people

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its doable with any class, having cler+temp makes it a bit harder imo though. it really depends on gear and if you know how to dps

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for any other dungeon your setup is nice btw, but i guess you know

silk current
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we try it but couldnt do bt

silk current
rocky cloak
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Im not 100% sure but i think the dagger is what you want

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The one with 36 atk and 65 crit or so

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Not sure if its dagger or dirk

random nova
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with both padma daggers

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full atk and crit buff food

silk current
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now i bought irascible padmarashka dirk

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i think i have to buy padmaraska dagger now

random nova
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get ready for another 150kk+ xD

silk current
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than what should i do

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socket +5 ? and enchant weap?

random nova
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thats the thing with sin, you need 6 slot and atk 5 xD

random nova
silk current
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How much does +10 cost?

random nova
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Now probaly 50kk+ but before 2.8 way cheaper

silk current
random nova
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But your problem is the dagger you bought, its pointless without other padma dagger

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It doesnt give you extra atk

silk current
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yea i noticed that 😄

random nova
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Do you have 7 crystals from tempus?

silk current
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i use that 😄 nought a bow

random nova
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Get the sword next time and use it with tac dagger for now

silk current
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with which stones i can get +10

random nova
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Like lvl 80-85

silk current
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Does it make sense to make a +15 set with level 30 items for a +75 set bonus? Someone said that if I do this I will get a 30% drop rate.

patent kelp
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you need lvl 55 eq at least

random nova
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You can go for 3 parts +13 and other 3 parts +12

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But only worth it if you have 6 slot bt gear

random nova
silk current
random nova
silk current
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i couldnt compare

random nova
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If you want to +13 gear and socket it you will need probably 2kkk

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If not more

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Most people, even sin whales go for gbg weapons and make them +15 and use them in pve aswell

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If you want to spend alot then i would just do that

silk current
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i am doing that because i dont have any medals

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its req 320 medal

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its too much time

random nova
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Yeah it takes a while xD

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Until then just go tac dagger and taha sword i would guess

silk current
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i bought one padma

random nova
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Dagger?

silk current
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dirk

random nova
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You played aion before?

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Cause kinah go by really fast

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So keep that in mind

silk current
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10 12 years agı

random nova
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There is nothing worse than spending 800kk whatever on going +15 and then ending up at +10 still

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Atleast if u do gbg +15 it will be beneficial in both pve and pvp

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But yeah takes a while

silk current
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then padmarashka weaps+10 and +0 set

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okey right ?

random nova
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its ok, just takes some time till a group sell it

silk current
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yep only 2 items left

patent kelp
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yo guys

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some sin doesnt wanna buy mastarius extend sword?

blissful harbor
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no only offhand worth is alukina, due to 19% atkspeed

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best compromise is dual extend daggers for worse atkspeed

patent kelp
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big sadge

solemn atlas
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@Hydeel Broo, sorry man yesterday I wanted to do more but as I was helping the guild with the dailies they were rushing me and I was already getting overwhelmed! If you want when you have free time let me know and we'll do more! Have a nice day!

ivory lance
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@grizzled current Poked me!

ivory lance
blissful harbor
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we dont socialize, we keep distance

ivory lance
blissful harbor
ivory lance
blissful harbor
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u better not be taha or asmo

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last swede i saw was taha asmo

ivory lance
blissful harbor
ivory lance
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On Taha we had a swede chanter ye

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Hallon

blissful harbor
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just transfer to atreia, start over

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x)

ivory lance
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No need, already have all the gear!

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Cross server is all you need for ow pvp anyways

blissful harbor
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true lol

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but asmo :/

ivory lance
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more pvp for asmos

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😛

blissful harbor
ivory lance
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hehe i tried

blissful harbor
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u got mb swap too? :3

ivory lance
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my gear is stuck on +13/12

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Yeye ofc

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E55 mb, abg/cava main

blissful harbor
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still a few medals behind xD so i wait to get everything instand in 3.0 instead xD

ivory lance
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hehe

blissful harbor
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atleast we can skip 60 armor pieces

ivory lance
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yee

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The lvl 60 gear looks juicy tho

grizzled current
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ye looks good as a new main att set

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the missing acc we will get back from new accs and new weapons later patch

ivory lance
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Yea, might stack AP and go for that second set which has potential bonuses on attack though. If it’ll end up having same stats. But guess it depends on our patch speed

grizzled current
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the thing is with 3.0 we dont need much

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i do need 1x ring 1x earring phys for swapping

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so after that ill just go 60 set

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3.0 part 2 buy rest of accs, and if needed make another gbg weapon to 13 for 7 tokens

grizzled current
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@ivory lance you know what, if all of those stats get buffed from the lets call it 60e set

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and it ends up same stats as normal 60

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then it could be rly good to just skipp normal 60

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but we will have to wait for an actual statt comparison

ivory lance
grizzled current
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are you getting cav cloth?

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i will have to switch some mitril to black gold to finish 2nd cloth set in 3.0

ivory lance
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Yea I’m gonna start getting after my next 2 accu pieces. So in like 200 medals or so. Will likely have to switch quite a bit start of 3.0 to finish it tho

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But I do want that macc

grizzled current
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yea i finished full cloth mb

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now 3x leather for acc

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then ill start 2nd cloth

ivory lance
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Ahh that’s nice. Gonna be good to not have to use 40e for acc anymore 😁

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You getting full cava for MA too?

grizzled current
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ye

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rn i have 55e pn acc which gets me to like 2870 +-

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those 3 cav pieces with gbg chest pants will be 2984

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with macc candy

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so enough for rangers

ivory lance
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Yea that is very nice

gusty plank
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gf try to keep up the demand and supply of manas when everyone has 5-6 + sets

grizzled current
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60 pvp weapons you buy diff

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10% steps with chance of full weapon or 1 token

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10 token = full weap

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+13 gbg or higher can be turned into 7 token

lime badger
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Thanks @grizzled current

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What do you think guys is it worth to use para godstone instead of silence in main hand in current patch, or better wait for new weapons?

patent kelp
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double para

random nova
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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but 3.0 blind gets nerfed and its in a worse state so not worth it imo then

safe charm
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double airbind when xd

blissful harbor
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imagine if effect bypasses rs buff effect👀

gusty plank
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vitalash radar hack (got vid)

blissful harbor
gusty plank
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got more

blissful harbor
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haha lol

ivory lance
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Eye 3

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OP

pale monolith
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you can hear it if you Play with sound on

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thats why you never prebuff in hide

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& if you do from far away and not melee range

safe charm
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still tho the jump moment is pretty sus

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if he heard or saw log he should pop eye

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if cd he can run instant or w/e but jumping the moment he engaged without eye

random nova
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Instead of finishing the mob, he is running 10/10

gusty plank
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wtf u mean i buffed when i was 30 m away

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this isnt the only time he done that
even w/o buff when i go near him he do fe

lime badger
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Every cheater will tell you that he could hear your steps 😂

safe charm
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need test how much is sound range

blissful harbor
safe charm
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should be 20m max?

blissful harbor
safe charm
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xd

blissful harbor
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we could try xD

safe charm
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ye

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most time u hear buffs they behind u

blissful harbor
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i dont think its so far tbh, would not make sense

safe charm
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hm

blissful harbor
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10m+ no sound is my qualified guess

safe charm
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he could play sounds 100% tho

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volume

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but yeah

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should be a meter limit

blissful harbor
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i have nothing on except those sounds😂

ivory lance
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Hmm, doesn’t silent buffing work? I don’t play with high enough sound so not sure myself. (Never hear others buffing in hide)

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Silent buffing as in jump > land > cancel animation + sound at least on your client side

safe charm
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should work prob

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but logs will be there no?

rocky cloak
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No logs if u buff in hide

vapid gyro
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Silent buffing should work

gusty plank
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next time i ll buff from sanctum lol

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share the test results plz

blissful harbor
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buffing should not make any sound tbh😂

safe charm
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?

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i think i saw smth in patch notes smwhere

rocky cloak
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Did you ever saw logs of a sin buffing himself in hide?

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See*

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I mean its easy to test

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But either you cant see it or i got some bad news for elyos because apparently nobody is able to use the logs :c

blissful harbor
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u dont see buffs in logs if he hide

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u dont see first skill used in hide either

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or first auto, most likely

safe charm
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yeah never paid attention too it since i play with only sound effects on so

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other the usuall all class logs that i see

vivid wagon
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What’s the problem?

blissful harbor
vivid wagon
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It also depends on the height difference should be round about 50-60 meters it depends on heigh difference BUT the video looks rly funny I mean it looks rly obvious because even if he listened to the buffs from hide it was maybe 35-40m away his reaction was rly rly late if he rly listened to it. His reaction began when the sin was behind him rly strange - at the end Support will check it if its reported and if u have a guy with 0 knowledge they will say they need more infos or the person has to put you in target something like that

vivid wagon
gusty plank
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you say alot meters i dont think that much

vivid wagon
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for example if u are in colosseum arena and u stay on the completely opposite u will hear the sound to if your options are correct it is 50-60 m

gusty plank
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hmm yee idk maybe its because of stage

vivid wagon
gusty plank
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gona have to test it

rancid ledge
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New skills 58 no drop it ? Russian server have it

patent kelp
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they drop

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with 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance

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and from world boss

reef fog
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Hey, new assassin player here. The free e50 weapon, should I get dagger or sword? I was thinking dagger and combining it with taha sword, does that make sense?

grizzled current
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50sword makes more sense

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try to rush gbg dagger with all the medal gain

reef fog
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hmm ok, thanks @grizzled current

grizzled current
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🙂

blissful harbor
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634 atk😂

grizzled current
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in pve set?

blissful harbor
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yea, dont have pvp yet

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slacking and buying everything instant in 3.0 instead

blissful harbor
silk current
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Can you get higher dps than sorcs in dungeons? Like padma or stormwing

solemn atlas
silk current
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do you using wtfast or exit lag ?

solemn atlas
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NoPing for me works better, u need try ur BEST GPN cuz its variable and dependes on ur ISP

blissful harbor
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we are strong second, theoretical

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use to be nr1, but thats OG times

rocky cloak
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depends on the dungeon, i'd say its possible for smth like padma

solemn atlas
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Depends on assa gear, trust me if have SW full attack +5 abg weap or padma weaps +10 and off set Cloth 50/55e or SWcloth with mb 25/27 u do more DPS than any sorc on single target 🙂

blissful harbor
solemn atlas
blissful harbor
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2 min 3 sec 2.8

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the diff is just gona be more later, due to strike resist in pve gutting our manastones

ivory lance
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Just do the fulltank way as sin in padma. That’s the best way!

blissful harbor
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only way😂

patent kelp
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Why fulltank sin when u can fulltank sorc

solemn atlas
blissful harbor
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still, raw stats dors not do us any favors currently or later, sorc just get better and better, atleast they where hardgated behind mana before

rocky cloak
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oh

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it is current patch, right? :D

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
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ye i saw it, doesnt even look like he played it clean

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but ye.. same for sorc

blissful harbor
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hurricane strike just makes sorc top dps to god dps😂

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theoretical possible that is

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wish strike resist was not a thing i pve, just for the sake or atk manastones

rocky cloak
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well, bosses got spell resist aswell

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doesnt matter tbh

blissful harbor
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spell resist is no way similar impact as strike resist are for us

rocky cloak
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more like 30 attack

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and magical classes lose 10-15% crit or so

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its similar in my opinion, but ye.. as i said: it doesnt really matter

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(spell resist is pretty annoying for us aswell though)

blissful harbor
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but rather then talking subjective terms, i think we end the discussion as we are to far apart with our opinions 😄

rocky cloak
#

its simple math though 🫠

blissful harbor
# rocky cloak its simple math though 🫠

u say its simple but u say strike/spell resist does not matter, thats where your simple math ends tho, thats why its no idea to have a discussion based on subjective terms

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quite alot variables to consider

rocky cloak
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30 attack * 4 hits/sec (50%crit with 2.3x multiplier) = 200 dps

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15% crit for sorcs are on average 7.5% more dps (1.5x multiplier)

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so if your sorc has 2 working fingers - 15% crit on him are way more dps than your 30 atk.

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phaestos has more than 150 spell res probably, but im not too sure about that

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so.. other bosses are better for sorc if they want to battle sins

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
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so its less?

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if i test it on dummys, i gain 30 damage per hit for 30 attack in manastones, sword gets 33 if double hit proccs

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so.. its 205 dps maybe, my bad

blissful harbor
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its not about 2 strike, its about dual wield proficiency

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we lose out way more then cloth classes does

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alot more variables for sins that are and will screw us, its far from simple math

rocky cloak
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show me snif if i test it its +30/33 damage

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per hit

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just flat

blissful harbor
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every hit its always that?

rocky cloak
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maybe my test was to simple, i cant tell

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but for every green attack i gained 1 more damage on each hit

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yes

blissful harbor
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205 for 30a attack sounds alot 😂

rocky cloak
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not 30 manastones

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30 attack

blissful harbor
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ye i wrote wrong

blissful harbor
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yea i not arguing that u believes u 😂 as i tought u tried it

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most top sins orn bosses thats not 2.7 dummys atm are rocking also -10% crit

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on one seems to go for 50% 😂

rocky cloak
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so theyre stupid?

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the korea sin had 52% and does way more damage than most top sins confused

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even if he doesnt play too good

blissful harbor
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korea 3.0 parses?

rocky cloak
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oh, nevermind. that was padma i think

blissful harbor
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padma is just stupid, its like a dummy with no resist needed

rocky cloak
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ye

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phaestos it seems like sins dont want to deal damage, i agree

blissful harbor
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but yea if u just ad 30 atk vs 150 spell resist, and consider sorcs have roughly base of 25% spell crit, thats like 3% less dmg va ~20% less

rocky cloak
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i mean you lose 30 attack if you go for crit cap

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roughly, depending on your weapons and so on

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so on lower bosses you gain 30 attack and sorc gains 15% crit or whatever

blissful harbor
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870 or something for pheastos ?

rocky cloak
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830

blissful harbor
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seems sins have 3-7% blocks on phestos

rocky cloak
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no wtf

blissful harbor
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looked from 1-10 top😂

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some have 0 and top have like 7%

rocky cloak
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maybe their chanters are slacking with inspi

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but ye, thats again depending on your weapons anc accessories

blissful harbor
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top 10 prob run gbg accs

rocky cloak
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you gain 100 accu or so if youre not doing pve with pvp accs/weapons

blissful harbor
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u have roughly 2.4k acc in pvp

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without chanter

rocky cloak
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i know

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my wall of lament beauty! c:

blissful harbor
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i do wish the pve % accs from wall also had some crit ontop of % and +7 atk it had

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useless equiping it

rocky cloak
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its worth

blissful harbor
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i havent seen they gona ad pve neck +16 atk😂

rocky cloak
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well

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26 crit on ring are 1.5 manastones

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7 attack 1.4 manastones

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you gain 1% pve attack

blissful harbor
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ye

rocky cloak
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so..

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its 100% worth

blissful harbor
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theres new pve rings is 3.0 i believe

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1.2%

ivory lance
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I mean phaestos is not very melee friendly either. You have much better uptime as ranged

blissful harbor
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he has pvp belt, agent only pve belt in existence still?

rocky cloak
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i hate that those rings doesnt have hp tbh :c

ivory lance
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Some sins like me also tank the fker so we have 0 dps! 🥲

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
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what does phaestos do that you need to step away from him? :c

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(except adds)

blissful harbor
ivory lance
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As tank you have the puddles, then ofc 10m skill

rocky cloak
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as tank yes, oobviously

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but as dps

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i cant remember stepping away

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maybe if lasers are suuuuper unlucky

ivory lance
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Yea it’s not that much diff, but still gotta get into melee range after getting blinded

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So you waste a bit more time

rocky cloak
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sin step + dash

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takes me 1s

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its longer for sorc to get back melee

ivory lance
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Sure, but they can use skills on range too

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Not saying it’s huge diff but I think it’s more melee unfriendly

rocky cloak
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ye but phaestos is not nearly as bad for sins as wol for example

ivory lance
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Haha yea for sure

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At least wol mechanics are super easy to do

rocky cloak
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i mean

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most sins that cared about ranking are gone no?

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is there anyone tryharding?

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doesnt look like it

ivory lance
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Surely, not sure we ever had many tryharding?

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Maybe 1 or 2

rocky cloak
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1.x times there were a few, but nowadays..

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i should make a vid of my phaestos runs :'D

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i spend first 2 phases jumping arround him unbuffed and practice slideshotting

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3rd phase i start using buffs

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and powershards only phase 4

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enough for top 10

ivory lance
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Hehe

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Ye in my runs I feel like I use now 30% of the time

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With the new event it’s a joke to run it too

rocky cloak
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so when nimble goes tryhard?

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next week i want to see 6k dps phaestos

ivory lance
#

Sure, I’ll do that with the pvp set I’m tanking on where I’m already way over capped in crit 😅

blissful harbor
ivory lance
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I’ll try!

rocky cloak
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nah its not hard

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huge hitbox

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only gets interesting if people place puddles all arround him :D

blissful harbor
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xD

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i cant bother pve tbf

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not same rush as many other mmos with better pve, i dont find if funny due to bugs and shit

random nova
#

only thing you need in phaestos is a chanter and glad and you see dmg increase xD

blissful harbor
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dont forget sm

tough portal
vapid gyro
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That's decent for a start. You could aim for the eternal PvP accs next if you like PvP. That way you'll have the necessary accuracy and crit to perform

tough portal
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well its in the starting point set gbg dagger + gbg acss, next week i ll get dagger then acss

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then gbg sword + 55e pilus set cuz i get the chest for free

ivory lance
#

Looks fine yea, personally I wouldn’t bother getting 55e leather if you plan to get 50e though

tough portal
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i have 50e right now

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i see so i ll save ap for 3.0 cuz what i inderstand 3.0 ap weps will not be available

ivory lance
#

Yea might be a better option for long term to just save, 55e might make you a bit more tanks but a bit worse offensive.

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You can always plan to get a MB switch set come 3.0 with just medals too (55e will only cost azures)

tough portal
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i see so for mow 50e os still best offensive set

ivory lance
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ET > 50e > 55e

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But that will cost you ton of medals ofc

tough portal
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ok thx

blissful harbor
ivory lance
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Aha, or that then ye

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Can you trade down azures to gold?

blissful harbor
#

i think u can, but not 100% shure

random nova
random nova
blissful harbor
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look at pvp % dmg on offhand

random nova
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But that bonus 70 macc on the pve sword is crazy

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No idea if pvp sword got it aswell

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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or just have it oh ma in hybrid mb/ma set to reach good ma

silk current
#

Can anyone recommend a full pve stigma build?

blissful harbor
#

mostly use the same or just tiny diff

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when most of our dmg actually are from auto atks

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~1-2% is from runes

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sigil strike gets implemented into skill book in 3.0 so u got 1 more freebie there

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only ”pve” stigma i would recommend is Deadly Abandon, thats shit pure pve

solemn atlas
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Rune burst if have mb set

blissful harbor
#

these prob roughly min stigmas , rest is mostly up to personal preference

blissful harbor
solemn atlas
blissful harbor
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yea np, but total with every rune across the fight is prob 5-6% dmg tops

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if u have mb swap

blissful harbor
#

its monday, its okay😆

solemn atlas
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Y its monday...hahahah

random nova
#

eric if you only would use more usefull stigmas... did you ever thought about going for beastly scar and rune burst since you have mb set?

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beastly scar probaly the most op dmg wise for what it is

random nova
blissful harbor
random nova
# blissful harbor

because you posted that build and say 1-2% is from runes, when someone ask for pve stigmas

blissful harbor
#

rune dmg

blissful harbor
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rune vs runes is a whole new meaning what u want to get forward

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want me to pull numbers from top contenders ? as u like myaion so much😃

random nova
# blissful harbor and then this

ok and thats your argument to not go full pve stigma and just go for useless pvp build? i like that flash or deadly poison or sensory boost or blinding burst, top 4 pve stigmas

blissful harbor
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dude, min maxint is a WHOOLE NEW meaning

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if u dont have a full pt min maxing for parsing its no use

random nova
#

xDD ok

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With the state of the game you will still get rank 1 on sieges with pure pvp build

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But yeah if someone asks about the best pve stigmas to minmax then yeah it is a valid discussion to have

blissful harbor
# random nova xDD ok

one that ask for pure pve build, i would rather give them something that works both, current state of stigma shards and everything

blissful harbor
random nova
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then give him the right one and not useless pvp shit that has 0 impact

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just because you play boring afk mode everytime doesnt mean he will too and might improve

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one of a reason why most sins just dont get it, when they get builds like that, they will try try and try, but nothing happens

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
random nova
#

who cares about the % when its random if you crit things or not, every run is different and its already proven that full pve is better than that useless pvp build

lime badger
#

Guys maybe you could try to help newbie who asked for build instead of arguing...? 😅

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
random nova
#

you already use mb set, but somehow isnt doesnt work for whatever reason

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so your dmg should be even higher than what it is right now

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but its pointless at this point, going back and forward

lime badger
rocky cloak
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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i never run serious at all pve at this point, i would if i would have premade

random nova
#

and this instance you went with sr ?

blissful harbor
#

dude u think i serious dps in tarta?

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i just casually doing it talking in vc

random nova
#

you said you have sr gear

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so either you are brain damaged or something else is wrong right now

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i dont understand

random nova
blissful harbor
random nova
#

my bad that run was definitly the 0,1%

blissful harbor
#

sometimes you need to sit down, read and compare, rather then speaking without thinking

lime badger
#

@blissful harbor according to your Myaion profile you shouldn't teach ppl how to play Sin, no offense mate 😊

random nova
#

you are right, i should read discord all day, tell other sins useless shit and then dont do it ingame my self

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and to put the cherry on top

#

your gear last updated from 2.9.24

blissful harbor
random nova
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
random nova
#

its legit not even tryharding xD

blissful harbor
#

why would i? can clear 99% not even trying to tryhard

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i would consider tryhard if i get more time to find premade that i prob wont due to reasons

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my hours when i play during the day are not on my side

blissful harbor
random nova
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for your instances you dont need premade

blissful harbor
#

i think u need to go back to school if thats not any difference

random nova
#

you think premade = only way to get dmg or what?

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just give up

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
#

u think i would even do serious pve in 42% crit also?

blissful harbor
safe charm
#

the ol reliable corolla 😂

blissful harbor
safe charm
blissful harbor
rocky cloak
#

Ye but you going only 30 in that corola while racing the other guy 😐

blissful harbor
#

no problemo

safe charm
#

but which engine will die faster the one who is faster right?

#

it burn more and more

blissful harbor
safe charm
#

exactly everyone should play at there own pace

blissful harbor
safe charm
#

my side bish is a witch xD

blissful harbor
safe charm
blissful harbor
#

dam ripe witch

blissful harbor
safe charm
silk current
#

And guys no need for arguing that hard

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the main problem is that i want to play sin

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but i cant do enough damage for dungeons

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And i am tryin hard to catch up

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Just for that i build a sorc to complete bt

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But i dont like sorc

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So i have to do more dps

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😄

lime badger
#

You can buy assassin's step from global broker, or try to buy it from ppl that selling it directly from tiamat.

blissful harbor
#

mb swaps is a few % in the end

random nova
silk current
silk current
#

but i couldnt find padma dagger

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i have only dirk

tough portal
#

fellow sins , should i aim for 803 crit without clear focus ? or with it?

patent kelp
#

Without

tough portal
#

i see , then what purpose clear focus serves only on pve?

blissful harbor
tough portal
#

agent you meant battle of the agents?

blissful harbor
#

yes

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archery class

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or oneshot cooldown pvp hero mb build x)

blissful harbor
random nova
# silk current now its like that

i think without a chanter i had parry in BT with 2268 accuracy, so if you care to hit everything above then aim for 2400+ and with chanter 2500+, would even go for abg dagger + a sword that have accuracy and atk on it, manastones make a huge different too, if you run around with atk +3, you lose 60 atk when 5 parts are 6 slot

random nova
# silk current now its like that

padma dagger is kinda ok, but you lose so much atk on offhand, only if you cant be bothered to get everything above because of kinah

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or get 2x abg instead

blissful harbor
#

i tought the real heroes got veille/masta dagger/sword shugowizard

random nova
#

if he has the kinah for it, sure

silk current
#

full attack 5

random nova
#

weapons +10-13?

silk current
#

+10 main hand padma dirk

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second tac naco +0

#

i couldnt fine dagger padma

random nova
#

padma dirk doesnt have extra atk, that sucks the most

silk current
#

i am gonna make +13 weap

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and +10 set

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for %10 pve

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thats why i dont rush for ab

random nova
#

5 parts +13 and one +10 for 10% buff

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or one part +12 and other +11

silk current
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that part not a problem

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its just money

random nova
silk current
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i have 170

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medal but no ap 😄

random nova
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do you buy telos and tartarus?

silk current
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i didnt buy till now

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should i ?

random nova
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sure, but dont buy telos for 30kk or something and rather go with 2-3 people

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okey i will

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should i buy padma dagger