#Sin master race general
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You have mboost set?
mb boost set really ads towards burst, specially in pvp
i do
Which weapons do you have
Gbg Dagger + Sword +11/+10
Any idea what strike resist tiamat has?
@safe charm that was close i got your sm in a throw dagger when u guys jumped there
xD
was at most 2m away so hhe got luckyt
^^
Hey fellow Sins: are you upgrading your 5 slot BT gear for the PvE Content or just wait for 6 slot because 5 slot isnt worth it?
its premium, not that big of a deal 🙂 maby ads 200dps tops for 5 extra 5atk
200 DPS are not that bad 🙂
On the other hand the investment for all 6 slot is maybe not worth it
Allthough if you don’t plan to enchant it for the pve bonus 50e as attack set is very good too, was easier to socket as well
true
25 atk extra is alot when you reach higher stats
Question is: do we need to enchant it for the new PvE Content? Or is "normal" BT Gear with +5 att enough?
isnt the next best gear lvl 60 for sin? since the new one from 2.8.5 looks useless besides some pve def
ngl i pro gona stay gbg/cav combos with 50e mb/ma swaps
24 atk just not worth it for that amount of investment XD
im prob gona ofc get first 60 ap earring/ring
then wait 3.2 to get rest accs 3.2 upgradeable
so i can have diff ring/earring for good swaps
Not sure, but seems like quite a bit of crit is needed for these new pve instances too. Would imagine 50e is enough for the instance coming in a few days. If I could afford it I would make BT with 75 enchant bonus for pve however.
Even 5 slot BT might be enough, we’ll have to find out 😛
https://myaion.eu/PvEPlayerSession/20779356 this kr sin is top 4 in kr, but has 37% crit overall
yea full atk5s
and since his gear didnt got updated since 3 months , this run should be the gear displayed
having 50% crit is roughly 15% more avg dmg
prob more with rng luck offhand rng dmg
but how do they get more crit when both rings only give accu and atk
yea they dont
25 attack * 4 hits/second + 50% critrate
Should be arround 165 dps, if nothing has changed since 2016 :D
4 hits per sec u wont do
1/0.8= 1.25
main hand + skill 1.25x25+25=56.25
offhand autos 1.25x25=31.25x0,9= 28.125 ( offhand efficency)
crit effectivness 84.375x1.15
with 50% crit its avg 97 more dps
i actually forgot offhand, so i added it
rng play a huge factor, due to offhand efficencly not reaching 100%
specially with crits, i just normalized crits for now
thats roughly 2.5% more dmg if u have 4000 dps and add 25 green atk
it all ads up for shure, but better to put in enchantment + , as white atk is 10% more efficent then adding atk stones
Autohits are 2 separate hits damage wise.
yes as i stated above, i forgot offhand x)
Sorry i only read first few lines :D
still avg wil prob be around 100 dps extra
able to do 1 auto animation( mh+oh) and 2 skills is not going to be many, due to game engine
except those we know can do fang chain + 3 auto atk animations during 1 sec
Its not hard to be above 4 hits/second
And i didnt understand your math tbh, but i dont really want to argue 😅
took a clip from highest dps above char had on his best dps boss
thats KR ping, not many will be able to have these
1 auto animation + 2 skills
in 1 sec
Trust me, any above average sin is above 4 hits on atkspeed cap
yea but adding 2 auto animations 2 skills is not normal, do that for full pheisos and u prob have ahk macro
Even up to 4.5
u have to add human error to calc, else its not gona be a good parse
ppl aint gona do that perfectly, specially with roughly 20-35 ping with gf servers
for 6-8min straight
There are legit 50 sins on atreia doing 4hits/s on a stationary boss
Its average
Not even good
stationary bosses that matters does not exist anymore in our current patch tho
Why not?
Also as i said
Its average
If youre good you will be way above those counts
By average i mean its the average of top 100 sins
Not that people who started yesterday will do it
Who is top 1 sin phaestos?
say some names
And people improved since back then
checka
again checka taking fast animation carv+ sigil
When do we get a new PvE Set? With 3.0 or 3.2?
nanahira is top 1 sin 
Flurry did it aswell iirc
Ye cant tell about that
yea mouse over poison canceling i know he had x)
there is a physical limitation and hard to perfectly weave long fights, due to human error
I‘d need to check some arm files but im at phone :c
Its not that hard
and boses atm beside old AF tahabata and padma there is no dummy fight any more 😦
Ouh actually i think i made a mistake. I calculated with arm hits because thats what we used back then :D but i think sword rng hits are counted there aswell
Still im pretty sure its more than possible
But maybe not for average players
you mean auto atk, skill, auto atk, skill whole fight?
and what is pro for you?
ichirow style and use 3 auto atk and 3 skills in same second?
oh rng is real, specially on crits
Assassins, due to their DW mastery level 5
each of their non-critical offhand attacks have 20% chance that their pre-defense total damage will be reduced to 90%. Roughly, without factoring in enemy physical defense:
For normal hits, 80% chance of dealing full damage, 20% chance of dealing 90% damage.
For critical hits, 64% chance of dealing full damage, 32% chance of dealing 90% damage, and 4% chance of dealing 81% danage.
auto atk skill autoatk with perfect weave timers for 7min + window
thats what i meant
If you weave every single skill you will not do as many hits as possible
u weave timer those for animation canceling
i thought sins doesnt weave
still perfect weaves + cancel animation in 7minutes no human will do that perfect
roughly 50% of our total dmg is autos xD
Depends on what you mean by perfect
The exact perfect millisecond? Noone will do it :D
But there are people who trained that shit for years and you wouldnt be able to tell if there was one failed weave in 10 minutes
ofc i will, everyone is equal to same ranking system
Hm
ye phaistos, velator and prob wall are at around 330 strike resist
How does the wall of lament work?
Can you reset boss or there's only 1 try?
10 attempts
Thanks!
Hello, I'm wondering if this type of GS is available on this patch and if it's anygood compared to other choices, thx
i think it is in menotios godstone bundle
maybe slayer godstone bundle aswell
but not worth
new ench system makes it half a second
also that stun is lowest of lowest priority, any other stun and godstone cant overwrite it
ERIC THE GURU xD
agents soon ?
ahmm must be dreamin
is it real so many crits dafaak
even i dont crit that much lol
Ouch
hey guys anyone know exactly how much crit u need for pvp with food+scrolls+Clear foucs
850+
Som ppl told me 850 som told me 900 so wasn’t sure what to aim for
geared will have between 350-400 strike resist
850 is the lowest amount u need vs +10 armor and gbg accesorys
Yea, 2 pieces cava full crit (chest/pants) puts you at nice position imo. 870 crit with food then
kool thx guys
You meant 350-400 strike resist surely xD
Eric knows something we dont!
what about spell resist
Dont think we can reach any number of spell resist that matters im only at 33 with full ET
i reach 39 with egbg
yes lol, i wrote crit needed🤣
even pve we should start aiming for 850-900😂
Yeah, seeing how many sr lvl 58-60 mobs have might as well go for the same crit cap for both pvp and pve lol
think its mostly bosses, i know pheistos is ~850 crit and agent is 900
What about mobs?
no idea tbh
Ok, doesn't really matter
Is the healing effect from Blood Rune increased in 3.0 onwards or is it supposed to be effective in the current patch?
new one better is
imo it should heal double xD but it heals like 2.3k pve what i seen atleast
With best mboost set 4.3k heal or 4.5k depends on fire resistance from the target (mob) or debuff from sorcs or sm/sin
revenge xD
yeye we even now xD i just wanted to snipe quest xD
fumbled my slideshots too xD so missed my runes
thats big if its that on 1,6k mb dam, just seen roughly 2.3-2.5k on tog ;P
i don’t mean the dmg u deal on the mob (I mean the life leech) but if u notice the heal rune is always a double hit on the target the second dmg don’t appear in the chat/dmg log that’s almost the leech u get. @blissful harbor
yy i tought u mean the "heal" leech"
I have 50e and 2x gbg dagger on mboost
green sum popping
dam thast overkill hah xD
i just miss weaps
Nah the first hit is mostly 2.8k or 3k something like that
heal rune deals normally more dmg then the normal silence rune rly funny xD
i havent seen it do that kind of dmg like radiant lol XD
If it's just to deal runes, then weapon doesn't really matter as long as it's 6 slot, does it? Like you could get away with 50e or 55e gold weapon for example
yea pvp dmg is more on gbg currently so
Yeah, makes sense
Important is the main weapon for magic accuracy the rest is only the slots like u said
If u calc the double hit with healrune it does more dmg
still 12% pvp dmg is alot , when it hits quite hard
yea 2.5+3k i did just now
so its dmg + dmg leech
Ye but healrune has a shit animation in pvp even with set switch or u Jump cast it 🤣
yea only way i use it is to heal pve or bypass shield for that last pop if they low under shield xD
In Arena it’s almost a Fullheal on the mob
yy big
wish it was 4k pvp heal tho, jsut heal idc about dmg
Pussybubble From Cleric or 10k shield sorc/ bodyguard
yy xD
cant wait for throw dagger to give me a boner everytime i use it in 3.0
something to dispell wintry and i be happy
For group pvp or vs Templar matchup it will give u abit „a gamechanger“
yy and ow sms just popping spirit sub to get fear in xD
cant wait to get 3.2 sword in oh for 70 ma+ XD
Good point
what your opinion on double para or having silence oh and para mh ?;P
problem is double para is nice if it proccs but ppl have mostly paralyze resistance if u gamble with godstone blind and something else would be stronger maybe silence but only 3.5 sec right now vs geared ppl not worth to use dispelpotion (depends on situation)
right now i play para/atk slow
on mboost gear poison/blood for random gs proccs and later cover u have 10% chance for poison debuff 20 sec only for switching into rune skills rly funny xd
does atk slow dispell radiant?
dam yea i have good rng on proccs, think i gona do ms slow for now x)
ms slow?
movement speed slow x)
weird short pronouncing xd
xD
is it worth sacrificing 30 attack for 100 crit for the PD and WoL
Are those stats with or without food/crit scroll? For wall you don’t need as much crit as for PD
its with attack food and crit scroll
Which weapons do you have
abg
For phaestos its 100% worth it, even going for critfood there with ur stats
WoL i was fine with just food+scroll, but i didnt test how much crit is actually needed
so this wouldnt be overkill for PD?
thank you
Wol is like 700-750 crit so full atk set is still fine there. You do need loads of accu for no parrying though 😛
Magic boost set is really necessary ?
Realy op
If you wanna do 6k+ hits then yes, in bt even 13k crits
do you have a link to a budget/best magic boost set ? 😄 is e50 best for magic boost or you can get better ?
i only have sw 6 slot, but you could start with tac gear, e50 or higher is good and useful if you dont fuck up the switch between sets
best budget is 50e, best is cavalier/squad suicide
best pve is sw🤓
Sw mb looks pointless af xD
10% better pops if u +13/12 it😌👏
Gl with that
Its good if u switch with syn otherwise dps tradeoff aint rly match
But better for sure
But ingame set is slowing me down af
u dont have +13 sw atk and +13 sw cloth 6 slots?🤓🤡
E50 king
it is ye
Thanks guys, so if I read you correctly e50 for MB and for MACC (but e40 is good too) and when you want to have a MR set what do you use ?
gbg
55e evasion
gbg Mr
50e mb/ma
cavalier acc
40e acc ( good acc , but u are glascannon)
stormwing 6 slot
Its pretty cheap now, cause no one can socket that shit

yellow or orange ones ?
and for daggers and sword ?
eternal. orange
best avaliable is prob dual brigade general weapons
else its crafted L58 weap/legion commander dagger + crafted/legion commander sword
Yea, if you have big wallet you can buy wall of lament weps (if anyone drops em) 😄
Having the dagger would likely solve all of your parry issues in that instance too
how much acc is needed
How much is it
All I know is that a dagger sold for 200kk
But as the instance is so new it will depend on drop rate for future prices I guess
~670 , phaeatos ~850. agent ~900
best dps guide is prob
and practice, practice,practice
thank you
forward momentum is also good to practice for extra 10%
you arent doing it either, so why recommending it? you should know how painfull it is, if something isnt doing for you so you can concentrate on skills
not on every atk, some rotations i like doing it and its nice to practice
something to pratice is always good
and didnt someone posted in discussions that flurry used 3 atks and 3 skills in one of his runs
everything in video i possible legit
so legit that you cant do it yourself or what?
Never seen anyone cry this much about hacks
my bad, hacks are ok and good for a game !!!
slideshot and weave good to cancel out animation is not hack tho xD
since you think its a norm for sins, make video of you doing it 🙂
sounds like you can do it
the guide its bad af anyways
he explains weave at least
the rest is not needed
good to know but still
nobody does slideshot chains etc for f+ buff
beast fang slideshot is worth to know at least
geodata is so shit tho
if it was better would be nice
I'ts not something that is neccesary anyways. It's pretty nice if you pull it off against UD in pvp as the fang chain does not pull back the target then, but otherwise there is not much use at all imo 🙂
how to perform best and what needed is 2 diff things tho
always nice to have something to be better at, there is some cases where i like to slide fang chain or beast fang in pvp when tracking targets
On classic it's not hard, they improved it to slideshot
u back for sin ? didint u quit👀
i never quit, i only do breaks
i can teach you jumpshot its ez on pvp though kinda rare to use maybe if u start with it or chase some1
havent seen u online, if u ofc not rerolled or maked other name
2 year break 
coming back good, sin getting stronger
3.0-> 3.4 huge buffs inc
even 3.5 with no fly restriction on skills🥳
crazy
atm throw dagger works on ground, no cd shared with ambush 3.0 it also dispell shield effects
does it dispel 4k dp from temp?
nezekan?
yy
idk? just that im unshure
it dispells bodyguard atleast
spirit sub, stone skin, boic
seen tiamat stigma we got 2.7?
15m backstep stun into unbreakable hide I with +40% speed
ah ye this i know
later in 3.2 something, flash of speed also put u in hide I
nice anti auto target patch, they actually need to press something else
😂
3.4 slayer 2m range
3.4 explosive burst is instant 11m stun ( can also be socketed without needing normal stigmas before it)
the cast one?
yy
interesting
first row after normal stigmas can have diffrent version called ”meta” so u can ditch deadly poison
and still socket sensory with meta version
ohh so also QD will be easier to use
QD gets buff 3.0
extra dmg on poison AND stunned target + knockdown
shadowfall in 3.0 , it also resets focused evasion CD on use
wtf
lightning slash/agonizing slash and asassination get animation locked removed🥳
in 3.0
we also gain killing spree in 3.0
ye that was default in 3.0 , so they give it back
sigil strike turned into NORMAL skillbook in 3.0
have fun
compiled list of changes until 3.4 so far @grave falcon
atk 5 still default in this patch? I was full atk 5 in 1.9
and in higher patches too
850-900 crit and atk
ah ye
okok
3.0. 55 fabled and gear below will only cost medals 🙂 ap removed😌
how much medals for the full set adn how much average a day farmable?
3 azure medals/day tempus instance
19.6 platinum medals / week ( weekly quest) 9 quests
ebony medals
2 weekly quests
6 daily pve
1 daily pvp 7 kills
sieges
ebony 1:1 exchange platinum
platinum 1:2 exhange azure gold medals
can check total cost here
3.0 gbg and elite suicide/cavalier armor + accs 50% ap cost reduction
gbg weaps/eternal 55 wings 10% ap reduction
704 medals for full cavalier set ( new eternal accuracy set)
1155 platinum medals for full gbg excluding wings and helmet( tiak main Q helmet really close)
525 azure medals for full 55e armor
yes
Does wall of lament need as much crit strike as phaistos?
No, its a lot less. Maybe 700 or so
Thanks
Are my stat okey for, beshmundir, padmarashka and wall of lamnent ?
If its not what do i need
these stats are with food and crit scroll
And also i have tac nco weaps and 50e set
should i do a mb set for dungeons
get tahabata sword from tempus and flarestorm dagger if you have the kinah for it
and set is with atk 3 stones?
3 attack and 17 crit
bt should be doable, but 421 atk is very low, thats like having steel rake set, for lament you wont hit anything since you need 2,4k+ accuracy, for padma idk and atk still low
depends on how you play and how good your group(setup and players) is
if youre all new you should maybe forget about wall of lament for now
if youre party isnt chanter +2x sorc or smth with similar dps
(individual skill(ping) matters in there aswell, if you lack gear and youre new to the game its gonna be hard)
1 chanter, 1 cler, 1 bow, 1 temp and me as sin
wall of lament is 4 people
its doable with any class, having cler+temp makes it a bit harder imo though. it really depends on gear and if you know how to dps
for any other dungeon your setup is nice btw, but i guess you know
we try it but couldnt do bt
irescable padmaraska dirk is okey ?
Im not 100% sure but i think the dagger is what you want
The one with 36 atk and 65 crit or so
Not sure if its dagger or dirk
now i bought irascible padmarashka dirk
i think i have to buy padmaraska dagger now
get ready for another 150kk+ xD
thats the thing with sin, you need 6 slot and atk 5 xD
maybe +5 and if you are rich +10
i think i am never gonna be like a sorc 😄
How much does +10 cost?
Now probaly 50kk+ but before 2.8 way cheaper
But your problem is the dagger you bought, its pointless without other padma dagger
It doesnt give you extra atk
yea i noticed that 😄
Do you have 7 crystals from tempus?
i use that 😄 nought a bow
Get the sword next time and use it with tac dagger for now
with which stones i can get +10
Like lvl 80-85
Does it make sense to make a +15 set with level 30 items for a +75 set bonus? Someone said that if I do this I will get a 30% drop rate.
you need lvl 55 eq at least
You can go for 3 parts +13 and other 3 parts +12
But only worth it if you have 6 slot bt gear
If you want that you are gonna need to buy alot more kinah tbh, its not worth atm with the state of the game
" with the state of the game" What do you mean by that?
Have you seen the price of manastones, enchantment stones and how many people quit the last few days?
i just started manastones are 2m always to me 😄
i couldnt compare
If you want to +13 gear and socket it you will need probably 2kkk
If not more
Most people, even sin whales go for gbg weapons and make them +15 and use them in pve aswell
If you want to spend alot then i would just do that
i am doing that because i dont have any medals
its req 320 medal
its too much time
i bought one padma
Dagger?
dirk
10 12 years agı
There is nothing worse than spending 800kk whatever on going +15 and then ending up at +10 still
Atleast if u do gbg +15 it will be beneficial in both pve and pvp
But yeah takes a while
its ok, just takes some time till a group sell it
yep only 2 items left
no only offhand worth is alukina, due to 19% atkspeed
best compromise is dual extend daggers for worse atkspeed
big sadge
@Hydeel Broo, sorry man yesterday I wanted to do more but as I was helping the guild with the dailies they were rushing me and I was already getting overwhelmed! If you want when you have free time let me know and we'll do more! Have a nice day!
@grizzled current Poked me!
Is the yellow and blue bird representing sweden?
u seen sweds wait at busstop?
we dont socialize, we keep distance
Såklart!
eru goo elr
Ingen gbgare här inte!
nice another svensk
u better not be taha or asmo
last swede i saw was taha asmo

wait, did u have a swed chanter that quit?
hehe i tried
u got mb swap too? :3
still a few medals behind xD so i wait to get everything instand in 3.0 instead xD
hehe
atleast we can skip 60 armor pieces
ye looks good as a new main att set
the missing acc we will get back from new accs and new weapons later patch
Yea, might stack AP and go for that second set which has potential bonuses on attack though. If it’ll end up having same stats. But guess it depends on our patch speed
the thing is with 3.0 we dont need much
i do need 1x ring 1x earring phys for swapping
so after that ill just go 60 set
3.0 part 2 buy rest of accs, and if needed make another gbg weapon to 13 for 7 tokens
@ivory lance you know what, if all of those stats get buffed from the lets call it 60e set
and it ends up same stats as normal 60
then it could be rly good to just skipp normal 60
but we will have to wait for an actual statt comparison
Yea exactly that’s what I was thinking too. Would just feel subpar to have the same set without the effect thingy. But we’ll have to see both stats and roadmap 😛
are you getting cav cloth?
i will have to switch some mitril to black gold to finish 2nd cloth set in 3.0
Yea I’m gonna start getting after my next 2 accu pieces. So in like 200 medals or so. Will likely have to switch quite a bit start of 3.0 to finish it tho
But I do want that macc
Ahh that’s nice. Gonna be good to not have to use 40e for acc anymore 😁
You getting full cava for MA too?
ye
rn i have 55e pn acc which gets me to like 2870 +-
those 3 cav pieces with gbg chest pants will be 2984
with macc candy
so enough for rangers
Yea that is very nice
What tokens you mean?
60 pvp weapons you buy diff
10% steps with chance of full weapon or 1 token
10 token = full weap
+13 gbg or higher can be turned into 7 token
Thanks @grizzled current
What do you think guys is it worth to use para godstone instead of silence in main hand in current patch, or better wait for new weapons?
Just use para now, no one knows what state the game will be in, in 3.2+. Alot of people massquiting anyways
general best in rng sense is double para, else para + movespeed slow is good, para+ blind also
but 3.0 blind gets nerfed and its in a worse state so not worth it imo then
double airbind when xd
thats not sane having😂
imagine if effect bypasses rs buff effect👀
vitalash radar hack (got vid)
let them be, they need it to win
haha lol
he has heard you using buffs
you can hear it if you Play with sound on
thats why you never prebuff in hide
& if you do from far away and not melee range
still tho the jump moment is pretty sus
if he heard or saw log he should pop eye
if cd he can run instant or w/e but jumping the moment he engaged without eye
Instead of finishing the mob, he is running 10/10
wtf u mean i buffed when i was 30 m away
this isnt the only time he done that
even w/o buff when i go near him he do fe
Every cheater will tell you that he could hear your steps 😂
need test how much is sound range
i do wonder how far away u need to be to not hear 😂 i have never had issue if u just buff like 15m away
should be 20m max?
dam u beat me
xd
we could try xD
i dont think its so far tbh, would not make sense
hm
10m+ no sound is my qualified guess
i have nothing on except those sounds😂
Hmm, doesn’t silent buffing work? I don’t play with high enough sound so not sure myself. (Never hear others buffing in hide)
Silent buffing as in jump > land > cancel animation + sound at least on your client side
No logs if u buff in hide
Silent buffing should work
buffing should not make any sound tbh😂
didnt they change that , 2.7 patch i think
?
i think i saw smth in patch notes smwhere
Did you ever saw logs of a sin buffing himself in hide?
See*
I mean its easy to test
But either you cant see it or i got some bad news for elyos because apparently nobody is able to use the logs :c
u dont see buffs in logs if he hide
u dont see first skill used in hide either
or first auto, most likely
yeah never paid attention too it since i play with only sound effects on so
other the usuall all class logs that i see
What’s the problem?
how many meters u have to be away from target, so they wont hear buff sound, i personally havent checked distance, i just go feeling
It also depends on the height difference should be round about 50-60 meters it depends on heigh difference BUT the video looks rly funny I mean it looks rly obvious because even if he listened to the buffs from hide it was maybe 35-40m away his reaction was rly rly late if he rly listened to it. His reaction began when the sin was behind him rly strange - at the end Support will check it if its reported and if u have a guy with 0 knowledge they will say they need more infos or the person has to put you in target something like that
And sound options u can modify it
you say alot meters i dont think that much
Depends on your game options yes
for example if u are in colosseum arena and u stay on the completely opposite u will hear the sound to if your options are correct it is 50-60 m
hmm yee idk maybe its because of stage
Ye like I said before 😅. I mean at the end your video was good and it’s rly obvious how the guy reacted
gona have to test it
New skills 58 no drop it ? Russian server have it
they drop
with 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance
and from world boss
Hey, new assassin player here. The free e50 weapon, should I get dagger or sword? I was thinking dagger and combining it with taha sword, does that make sense?
hmm ok, thanks @grizzled current
🙂
634 atk😂
in pve set?
how much atk u got
Can you get higher dps than sorcs in dungeons? Like padma or stormwing
Ofc, but need overgeared, sorc just 2.7kmb
do you using wtfast or exit lag ?
NoPing for me works better, u need try ur BEST GPN cuz its variable and dependes on ur ISP
currently no, due to hurricane strike u cant if they luck out on crits
we are strong second, theoretical
use to be nr1, but thats OG times
Currently yes
depends on the dungeon, i'd say its possible for smth like padma
Depends on assa gear, trust me if have SW full attack +5 abg weap or padma weaps +10 and off set Cloth 50/55e or SWcloth with mb 25/27 u do more DPS than any sorc on single target 🙂
all depends on how fast you are killing padma tbf
Padma is no viable example bc we have to be killing adds broo
1 min 50 sec killing time 2.8
2 min 3 sec 2.8
the diff is just gona be more later, due to strike resist in pve gutting our manastones
Just do the fulltank way as sin in padma. That’s the best way!
only way😂
Why fulltank sin when u can fulltank sorc
It can go much higher with what I said before!
still, raw stats dors not do us any favors currently or later, sorc just get better and better, atleast they where hardgated behind mana before
I'd say this is possible in our current patch already
oh
it is current patch, right? :D
its 2.8 numbers yes
hurricane strike just makes sorc top dps to god dps😂
theoretical possible that is
wish strike resist was not a thing i pve, just for the sake or atk manastones
we lose about 40-50 atk, thats ALOT xD
spell resist is no way similar impact as strike resist are for us
more like 30 attack
and magical classes lose 10-15% crit or so
its similar in my opinion, but ye.. as i said: it doesnt really matter
(spell resist is pretty annoying for us aswell though)
10-15% crit is no way near as impactful on sorcs x)
but rather then talking subjective terms, i think we end the discussion as we are to far apart with our opinions 😄
its simple math though 🫠
u say its simple but u say strike/spell resist does not matter, thats where your simple math ends tho, thats why its no idea to have a discussion based on subjective terms
quite alot variables to consider
30 attack * 4 hits/sec (50%crit with 2.3x multiplier) = 200 dps
15% crit for sorcs are on average 7.5% more dps (1.5x multiplier)
so if your sorc has 2 working fingers - 15% crit on him are way more dps than your 30 atk.
phaestos has more than 150 spell res probably, but im not too sure about that
so.. other bosses are better for sorc if they want to battle sins
u cant add it like that tho, u forgot the offfhand efficiency around autos
so its less?
if i test it on dummys, i gain 30 damage per hit for 30 attack in manastones, sword gets 33 if double hit proccs
so.. its 205 dps maybe, my bad
its not about 2 strike, its about dual wield proficiency
we lose out way more then cloth classes does
alot more variables for sins that are and will screw us, its far from simple math
every hit its always that?
maybe my test was to simple, i cant tell
but for every green attack i gained 1 more damage on each hit
yes
205 for 30a attack sounds alot 😂
ye i wrote wrong
yea i not arguing that u believes u 😂 as i tought u tried it
most top sins orn bosses thats not 2.7 dummys atm are rocking also -10% crit
on one seems to go for 50% 😂
so theyre stupid?
the korea sin had 52% and does way more damage than most top sins confused
even if he doesnt play too good
korea 3.0 parses?
oh, nevermind. that was padma i think
padma is just stupid, its like a dummy with no resist needed
but yea if u just ad 30 atk vs 150 spell resist, and consider sorcs have roughly base of 25% spell crit, thats like 3% less dmg va ~20% less
i mean you lose 30 attack if you go for crit cap
roughly, depending on your weapons and so on
so on lower bosses you gain 30 attack and sorc gains 15% crit or whatever
870 or something for pheastos ?
830
u can 30 atk and 7% hit rate
seems sins have 3-7% blocks on phestos
no wtf
maybe their chanters are slacking with inspi
but ye, thats again depending on your weapons anc accessories
top 10 prob run gbg accs
you gain 100 accu or so if youre not doing pve with pvp accs/weapons
i do wish the pve % accs from wall also had some crit ontop of % and +7 atk it had
useless equiping it
its worth
i havent seen they gona ad pve neck +16 atk😂
well
26 crit on ring are 1.5 manastones
7 attack 1.4 manastones
you gain 1% pve attack
ye
I mean phaestos is not very melee friendly either. You have much better uptime as ranged
he has pvp belt, agent only pve belt in existence still?
i hate that those rings doesnt have hp tbh :c
Some sins like me also tank the fker so we have 0 dps! 🥲
yea but thats like evey boss except padma, old tahabata and a dummy 😂
60 once have
As tank you have the puddles, then ofc 10m skill
as tank yes, oobviously
but as dps
i cant remember stepping away
maybe if lasers are suuuuper unlucky
Yea it’s not that much diff, but still gotta get into melee range after getting blinded
So you waste a bit more time
Sure, but they can use skills on range too
Not saying it’s huge diff but I think it’s more melee unfriendly
ye but phaestos is not nearly as bad for sins as wol for example
i mean
most sins that cared about ranking are gone no?
is there anyone tryharding?
doesnt look like it
1.x times there were a few, but nowadays..
i should make a vid of my phaestos runs :'D
i spend first 2 phases jumping arround him unbuffed and practice slideshotting
3rd phase i start using buffs
and powershards only phase 4
enough for top 10
Hehe
Ye in my runs I feel like I use now 30% of the time
With the new event it’s a joke to run it too
Sure, I’ll do that with the pvp set I’m tanking on where I’m already way over capped in crit 😅
practice, its hard on him?👀
I’ll try!
nah its not hard
huge hitbox
only gets interesting if people place puddles all arround him :D
xD
i cant bother pve tbf
not same rush as many other mmos with better pve, i dont find if funny due to bugs and shit
only thing you need in phaestos is a chanter and glad and you see dmg increase xD
dont forget sm
fellow sins i made my current set and my starting point set. What do you thinki its a good start or i sohuld change something? https://aiongear.fun/eng/eu28/assassin?build=6848f373-f81a-4f58-903f-19c0beed0dd5
That's decent for a start. You could aim for the eternal PvP accs next if you like PvP. That way you'll have the necessary accuracy and crit to perform
well its in the starting point set gbg dagger + gbg acss, next week i ll get dagger then acss
then gbg sword + 55e pilus set cuz i get the chest for free
Looks fine yea, personally I wouldn’t bother getting 55e leather if you plan to get 50e though
i have 50e right now
i see so i ll save ap for 3.0 cuz what i inderstand 3.0 ap weps will not be available
Yea might be a better option for long term to just save, 55e might make you a bit more tanks but a bit worse offensive.
You can always plan to get a MB switch set come 3.0 with just medals too (55e will only cost azures)
i see so for mow 50e os still best offensive set
ok thx
50e too will only cost medals, so u could get 50e cloth for medals then
i think u can, but not 100% shure
Why does he have para gs on a pve weapon? Is this cause in their patch one pvp weapon is enough for max pvp attack?
You can but it is rng between 1 gold or 2 silver medals and i think it costs kinah aswell
yes
look at pvp % dmg on offhand
He seems to be using 2 pve weapons, i assume he has a pvp sword aswell
But that bonus 70 macc on the pve sword is crazy
No idea if pvp sword got it aswell
no it dont
u have pve sword for oh ma set👀
or just have it oh ma in hybrid mb/ma set to reach good ma
Can anyone recommend a full pve stigma build?
there is nothing saying a optimaö pve build
mostly use the same or just tiny diff
when most of our dmg actually are from auto atks
~1-2% is from runes
sigil strike gets implemented into skill book in 3.0 so u got 1 more freebie there
only ”pve” stigma i would recommend is Deadly Abandon, thats shit pure pve
Rune burst if have mb set
1-2% rune dmg is with mb set😂
Ohh didnt read hhhhh
yea np, but total with every rune across the fight is prob 5-6% dmg tops
if u have mb swap
i do that sometimes to, TLDR and just asume😂😂😂
its monday, its okay😆
eric if you only would use more usefull stigmas... did you ever thought about going for beastly scar and rune burst since you have mb set?
beastly scar probaly the most op dmg wise for what it is
at this point you are just talking out of your ass to farm comments or something
i mean i understand your pov always like to stir something, but why not elaborate on that reply as to why im doing that? and why you do not agree Deadly abandon is not a pirr pve stigma?
because you posted that build and say 1-2% is from runes, when someone ask for pve stigmas
and thats where your problem lies
rune dmg
and then this
rune vs runes is a whole new meaning what u want to get forward
want me to pull numbers from top contenders ? as u like myaion so much😃
ok and thats your argument to not go full pve stigma and just go for useless pvp build? i like that flash or deadly poison or sensory boost or blinding burst, top 4 pve stigmas
dude, min maxint is a WHOOLE NEW meaning
if u dont have a full pt min maxing for parsing its no use
xDD ok
With the state of the game you will still get rank 1 on sieges with pure pvp build
But yeah if someone asks about the best pve stigmas to minmax then yeah it is a valid discussion to have
one that ask for pure pve build, i would rather give them something that works both, current state of stigma shards and everything
they asked a recommended, and imo i recommended a 90% working one
then give him the right one and not useless pvp shit that has 0 impact
just because you play boring afk mode everytime doesnt mean he will too and might improve
one of a reason why most sins just dont get it, when they get builds like that, they will try try and try, but nothing happens
if you look at the difference in % u would think a logic person repeat and practice core functions and core gameplay before they start implementing other things, then after u nailed that, u would move on to min max
most sins? lol where u get these numbers?
who cares about the % when its random if you crit things or not, every run is different and its already proven that full pve is better than that useless pvp build
Guys maybe you could try to help newbie who asked for build instead of arguing...? 😅
STATISTICLY SPEAKING, the avg %of what dmg instancea thats u deal towards a boas is roughly the same
already game him a working one for 99%, melone just likes to argue top0.5% mindset
then why is your dmg below average on some runs? you play with pvp build or im wrong?
you already use mb set, but somehow isnt doesnt work for whatever reason
so your dmg should be even higher than what it is right now
but its pointless at this point, going back and forward
You can use this build for pure pve.
Assassin's step will increase your mobility.
Aethertwisting is must have
In the endgame instances.
Rune burst is juicy if you use mboost swap.
that is true for every sin though*
u know when these runs are? 99.9% of my runs is registered with sr gear
because u only look at what u want to look at, pull your head out the ass and humble yourself
i never run serious at all pve at this point, i would if i would have premade
and this instance you went with sr ?
you said you have sr gear
so either you are brain damaged or something else is wrong right now
i dont understand
But why you have to be this condecending? You would talk like this irl?
dude i never said i had sr gear, read
.
my bad that run was definitly the 0,1%
if u compare my run with top 1, thats 1.28 minutes vs 2.41 minutes, ad slacking on that and you have your answer
sometimes you need to sit down, read and compare, rather then speaking without thinking
@blissful harbor according to your Myaion profile you shouldn't teach ppl how to play Sin, no offense mate 😊
you are right, i should read discord all day, tell other sins useless shit and then dont do it ingame my self
and to put the cherry on top
your gear last updated from 2.9.24
that does not mean every run is wity new gear,
https://myaion.eu/PvESession/4457404 you used sr gear or what?
according to myaion? bro nothing myaion is valid if u cant run with premade and make valid runs
why would i even bother min maxing like a retard dps on that? bro i would not even care in the world, that run i had tac nco dagger and taha sword
its legit not even tryharding xD
why would i? can clear 99% not even trying to tryhard
i would consider tryhard if i get more time to find premade that i prob wont due to reasons
my hours when i play during the day are not on my side
do u have premade?
for your instances you dont need premade
so non premade va premade is same dps on records?
i think u need to go back to school if thats not any difference
no, but kill speed does however increase your dps ALOT, specially if its 1 minute and 13 seconds slower then top condender. meaning top contender is 45.35% faster
give up? im arguing tour facts check😂 u keep pulling it out from someone or your own ass
u think i would even do serious pve in 42% crit also?
lets keep it german as u guys have autobahn
what would most likely drive faster?
tuned car with optimal parts
or
a toyota corolla stock
the ol reliable corolla 😂
corolla takes u from A to B reliable for 20 years😂
i know my parents have an old one xD
would not suprise me if u also where made in the car😂
Ye but you going only 30 in that corola while racing the other guy 😐
fuel is concentration, corolla speed u just cruise as far as u need🤓
exactly everyone should play at there own pace
everyone starts of with a kickbike into corolla and if the can afford it they get side bish bugatti
my side bish is a witch xD
ye its aged 50
what brand?
tribunus 😂
Thanks i did almost did this but i cant find assassins step 🤷♂️
And guys no need for arguing that hard
the main problem is that i want to play sin
but i cant do enough damage for dungeons
And i am tryin hard to catch up
Just for that i build a sorc to complete bt
But i dont like sorc
So i have to do more dps
😄
You can buy assassin's step from global broker, or try to buy it from ppl that selling it directly from tiamat.
back to basics to learn, i weaving properly? canceling animations?:) many smal corrections here and there will add up
mb swaps is a few % in the end
what are your stats?
now its like that
but i couldnt find padma dagger
i have only dirk
fellow sins , should i aim for 803 crit without clear focus ? or with it?
Without
i see , then what purpose clear focus serves only on pve?
mostly everything need roughly 650 crit, except pheistos 860 something and agent 900
agent you meant battle of the agents?
nothing u should go for imo x) hard to even dps it to begin with due to cluster pvp
i think without a chanter i had parry in BT with 2268 accuracy, so if you care to hit everything above then aim for 2400+ and with chanter 2500+, would even go for abg dagger + a sword that have accuracy and atk on it, manastones make a huge different too, if you run around with atk +3, you lose 60 atk when 5 parts are 6 slot
padma dagger is kinda ok, but you lose so much atk on offhand, only if you cant be bothered to get everything above because of kinah
or get 2x abg instead
i tought the real heroes got veille/masta dagger/sword 
if he has the kinah for it, sure
i have 2 6 slot and 3- 5 slot
full attack 5
weapons +10-13?
padma dirk doesnt have extra atk, that sucks the most
how is it going with farming medaills?
do you buy telos and tartarus?
sure, but dont buy telos for 30kk or something and rather go with 2-3 people

if i test it its +30/33 damage
