🦇┊darknests

[lethal wren]

We've run tests using only T1 troops on DN6 - kill all the troops with p5 fam attacks... Lose by a tiny margin because the wall doesn't go down

For what it's worth, T2 troops is enough to kill a DN6.

[ashen vessel]

Imagine 400k defeats 5m in real life

[iron jasper]

Hello, are DEF stats useful when we attack? I saw darknest DEF army research so i became curious.

[amber topaz]

not much

[iron jasper]

Hi, thanks for your reply. Do you know how much is the equivalent in % attack cav if i increase by 36% my DEF cav for example?

[lethal wren]

About a quarter

[iron jasper]

Hi, thanks for your answer. :)

[gilded hound]

It IS possible to memorize which heroes = which troop comp, right? Helpbot is just wrong about it? Or are you saying it’s not the same comp every time?

[livid canyon]

Heroes don't determine the comp at all. Sometimes they happen to match, sometimes they don't

[lethal wren]

It's totally random.
Darknests are weird. The comps are random, the fams are random, the heroes and leader... None of it makes sense. Occasionally something matches up and people think that's a pattern or a trick to knowing what's in them, or what the formation will be. But there isn't. You have to guess

[trim forge]

There is some correlation but it is probably not consistent across all troop types and dn levels. But at least for cav hero dn6s, you can predict the comp.

[lethal wren]

No you can't.

There's correlation because there's only 3 troop types and many heroes, so statistically likely that you see some that match. But it's random. I've seen people run a nest to "prove" their theory about the DN hero predicting what the comp will be, and it turns out to be a cav hero with a mostly range nest in inf phal.

[trim forge]

Thats just my experience running 3xDN6s every day. For example I've yet to see a frostwing dn6 that is not majority cav.

[lethal wren]

I run more than that daily. And I have seen frostwing DN6 that aren't mostly cav, not even with cav front

[trim forge]

I never said anything about front

[lethal wren]

You said comp. I said it's not the case and I've seen otherwise many times.

[cedar nova]

[lethal wren]

Correlation is not proof: it's observation bias

[trim forge]

Comp =/= front. In my experience cav hero dn6s like frostwing will more likely than not be skewed towards cav troops.

[lethal wren]

"more likely to be skewed"
Doesn't mean it's true. Doesn't mean it's always. I've seen many times when it wasn't

[trim forge]

I didnt claim that it is always the case or the same across all troop types or dn levels. Still useful information.

[lethal wren]

"But at least for cav hero dn6s, you can predict the comp."

You kinda did claim that at least for cav DN6 it is the case

[trim forge]

Find me a cav hero dn6 eg frostwing/sabre/jade that does not have cav as the most troops. I'd be happy to post a scout of the first 5 i see as well. Like i said, more likely than not

[lethal wren]

So it's only for cav? But the other troop types 😂😂😂
Because it's random

Not to mention, the troop comp doesn't help if you get a bad counter

[trim forge]

I mean if its mostly cav and inf front, still easy to break through front

[lethal wren]

If

Except when it isn't

[gilded hound]

Isn’t this easily proven or disproven by scouting and recording hero/fam/troops of multiple DN?

[trim forge]

Exactly

[lethal wren]

Yeah. And I've disproven it so many times I'm sick of it

Even IGG freakin acknowledge that it's RANDOM. Any correlation is coincidence

The heros and fams will indicate which troops are likely to have more hitting power, but the lineups are randomly generated.

[gilded hound]

I’m going to scout my own to find out. But if you’re trying to disprove what he is saying, it’s easier to post scouts of two different DN with the same heroes and completely different comps.

Then, boom, disproven

[trim forge]

Yep agreed

Gimme a sec

[lethal wren]

I've done it many, many, many times

[gilded hound]

But Mith, we can’t reasonably trust that you won’t leave out data that goes against what you’re trying to prove, so you can’t really do anything here.

[gilded hound]

I’m not saying you need to, but if you’re replying to him so much about it, you might as well post the same evidence you’ve shown before instead of wasting words that still won’t convince him.

[trim forge]

Note the timestamps. All scouted just now. Its too small a sample size for sure.

[candid jolt]

I'm so over this debate coming up over and over. Ann is right. Stop arguing about it. The heroes, leader, comps, and formation is random.

People constantly coming in saying there's a correlation always admit that is usually and most of the time or half the time but not always and only on certain types... Because it's not a thing.

Stop arguing about it. And stop perpetrating misleading info.

[trim forge]

Just thought it was useful info for discussion :/

[gilded hound]

I’m not arguing. I have no idea which is true. I asked the question to begin with. And I can’t tell who is right so now I’m just going to collect my own data.

[lethal wren]

I'm literally over caring. If people want to believe whatever, there's no point trying to convince them. Last time I did this I posted a bunch of screenshots and finally shut everyone up, but this comes up so regularly.

I have much, much bigger sample sizes.

[gilded hound]

But if this comes up over and over, can I suggest having the evidence that disproves it on hand to post instead of having the same argument over and over?

[trim forge]

Like just pin it

[gilded hound]

I just wanted to know the answer, not start an argument.

[trim forge]

Yea idc about "winning" an argument. Its a discussion board, i have not said anything that would be disrespectful.

[lethal wren]

Like this you mean?

For the record: I didn't run that one. It was someone in my guild doing it to "prove" the heroes mean something argument

[maiden charm]

Nah, if you send only infantry then it for sure counters the "random" archers

[trim forge]

Thats just one darknest, and i was specifically talking about cav hero dn6s. I would agree frontline appears to be completely random.

[candid jolt]

Let it go Ann. Let people be wrong.

[lethal wren]

Dafuq you talking about? That was an inf blast 🙄

[gilded hound]

Hold on, so we see the data on that DN. Now we need another DN with that hero and a different lineup or front, and that disproves the theory that you can predict troop comp by hero. Isn’t that the theory?

[maiden charm]

Dafuq you didn't understand. Even if archers were on front, having only infantry as the hero pic suggests works

[maiden charm]

^

[lethal wren]

https://c.tenor.com/-lih1d9bV3QAAAAM/facepalm-annoyed.gif

[lethal wren]

That one already disproves the theory

[trim forge]

Specifically it was that cav hero dn6s usually have more cav than any other troop type. Im not making a blanket statement across all dn levels and troop types, because for the others it can be pretty random but that doesnt mean it is all random.

Been saying that all along. And if i see proof otherwise, thats fine too because id be curious to know.

[gilded hound]

You’re talking about something different than me. My question is: can a DN troop comp be predicted based on the hero. To make it more specific, can a dn6 comp be predicted by the leader of the DN.

[trim forge]

For cav hero for dn6, i have been able to predict to a fair degree of success

[lethal wren]

A fair degree of success doesn't mean it's proof.

And it doesn't play out well on Antiscout nests.

[gilded hound]

But data supporting that still doesn’t ever tell you if that is always the case. But one pair of DN with the same hero but different comp immediately disproves the theory.

[lethal wren]

If it's not Antiscout, who cares what the leader is anyway since you just scout it

[trim forge]

It helps with anti dn too, for example ess28

[lethal wren]

I have run so many Antiscout ess28 that the comp inside and formation hast zero correlation with the hero.

Sometimes it does. But sometimes I flip a coin and get heads

[gilded hound]

And it’s ridiculous to go back and forth on something that can easily be disproven with screenshots of those two DN. This isn’t going to solve anything or change anyone’s mind. I’m just going to do my own scouting and gather data.

[lethal wren]

It's as good a method for guessing as any. But it's proven to be not a given. Because they're random.

[trim forge]

Yep i would suggest that as well

[lethal wren]

It's the same as the people who go on about opening boxes at certain numbers gives better drops. It's all random and makes no difference

[trim forge]

I dont ascribe to that

[lethal wren]

Or the "tricks and hacks" for winning jackpot in lab

[gilded hound]

I’m not supporting you either. You came in here arguing the theory is true and can’t prove it. A few screenshots of supporting data still don’t prove it true.

[maiden charm]

No correlation, but ok

[lethal wren]

It's all random nonsense, but people believe the hell out of it

[trim forge]

Then try for yourself and see

[gilded hound]

Well I WANT there to be an easy way to predict it, and I hope it’s true, but I also kinda hope I get the data proving it isn’t true so I can know for sure. Otherwise I’ll be wondering forever.

[trim forge]

I mean only one way to find out

[lethal wren]

I'm not denying that pretty often the hero correlates with whatever the majority of troops inside is. But often means not always. I just linked to a screenshot that proves it.

That should be the end of the story. There's one that doesn't fit the pattern. Therefore it's random. You can't tell.

I don't have the report anymore because I raided a bank just earlier and it was over 100 attacks 😂 but literally just yesterday someone in my guild ran an ess28 anti with a cav hero, so they sent range... It was almost entirely range inside the nest in range wedge

[trim forge]

So if it is the case 9 times out of 10, it is still random?

[lethal wren]

But sure, if you really have just one type that you're strong against and you want to save time scouting, go ahead, focus on the ones that have the hero you like. Doesn't bother me

Unless you're in my guild and repeatedly insisting that you know better because of the heroes, even though I'm the one running dozens of nests and consistently winning, while you're trying and failing and then blaming IGG or something... Do what you like

[trim forge]

Anyways, thanks for the discussion. That was way too long to be talking about darknests imo 😂

[lethal wren]

I agree on that.

I'm out

[compact wave]

Quick question, did darknest get stronger in last time ??

[lethal wren]

Nope.

[maiden charm]

Hahahaha an impossible win

[maiden charm]

Nope, as you can see we won by losing lol

[hollow phoenix]

The trap killed counted as losses and there were more traps lost then the coalition troops lost so you won

[maiden charm]

Not according to this

[maiden charm]

Hence the impossible, unless Ann was wrong

[hollow phoenix]

The wall for your dn was broken so you won which is what ann said

[maiden charm]

Hmmm, I see. I guess twasnt impossible after all

[livid canyon]

Yeah darknest morale doesn't drop until wall is down.

[lethal wren]

We were talking about this. Which was a defeat. Because they didn't break the wall

[lethal wren]

The Wall is broken in this one. You can see clearly where it says Defences: Wall HP... Left: 0

Wall broken. Won.

[iron jasper]

Sometimes yes but not always

[iron jasper]

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[sick garden]

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[solar lark]

New darknest hero hootclaw

[lament fractal]

Goblin

[meager current]

[ashen vessel]

Did they copy paste clash of clans goblin

[stone patio]

@ornate crest is there a guide for the new Darknest heroes?

[lethal wren]

The darkest heroes isn't an accurate indicator of darknest comp.

The original "guides" weren't created by IGG, they were created by users who didn't update it in years because they know it's not accurate.

Tagging whatever random staff member isn't going to help and it's against this servers rules

[livid canyon]

Range lead, inf fams, cav front

[open gull]

mixed DNs are torture

[lethal wren]

bUt ThE LeAdEr TeLLs yOu wHaT's iNsiDe!

Herp derp

[meager current]

must be a bug, it was a range leader

[amber topaz]

no way it happens all the time to me

the leader doesn't always decide the lineup

[meager current]

I was joking

[amber topaz]

[livid canyon]

Were you though?

[meager current]

yea to annoy Ann

[lethal wren]

Oh. I thought you were joking along too and I laughed. Try again😂 I'll play along

[cloud night]

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[livid canyon]

Tf this ain't a bedroom so wake yo azz up

[lethal wren]

But it's so dark and nest-like. Feels like a bedroom

[autumn vector]

What’s the best formation to send for cav dn

[lethal wren]

The DN is cav or you're sending a cav blast?

If you mean sending cav, I'd use inf wedge with buffers

[iron jasper]

Admins pls if you can see my chat dm I me pls

[plush phoenix]

Dn 6 get harder and harder

I think igg fix it a little

[soft torrent]

anyone know what troop type crabby hero is?

[lethal wren]

Heroes don't affect the formation, so it's irrelevant. The correlation is just that: correlation, not causation.

[valid knoll]

why did you post your igg id?

[void mica]

Need troop comp

Rally leader t3 and all allies has t4 i have to win against dn5 with t3

[livid canyon]

Find an easier dn5

[void mica]

@livid canyon

[livid canyon]

The first one is easier if it's infantry front. Attack it with cav blast and see.
If you don't win, then you should scout around some more

[void mica]

My inf stat is 308 with t3

And army attack 110

[livid canyon]

Is that your best

[void mica]

Yes

[livid canyon]

Hm.. what are your range stats

[void mica]

260

[livid canyon]

You can look for a dn that has mostly range and little to no cav at all in it

[void mica]

Cav 250

My inf is better than other 308

I will dind

[livid canyon]

Alright

Get into fury if it's safe for you, get a level 60 prisoner and altar boost if possible

[void mica]

Check this one

@livid canyon

[livid canyon]

Go for it. If it's range front you should win

Are there any fams in the dn

[void mica]

@livid canyon

[livid canyon]

Hm that might be tough. But give it a try.

[void mica]

Yeah

[gaunt beacon]

Imagine using light mode

[amber topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/dazzling-supernatural-glaring-blinding-bright-gif-20385074

[void mica]

Anybody here tell me what I use again range wedge in dn fast

3 min for rally fast

@iron jasper

[void mica]

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[amber topaz]

[zenith peak]

If sending a inf rally with buffers.. you can use range wedge

[glad terrace]

well rng wedge if wall wasn't broken or perhaps if there is a garrison... otherwise can do inf phal

[lethal wren]

What kind of darknest has a garrison?

[glad terrace]

A special kind

[amber topaz]

[zenith peak]

1%win .. 400 range atk

[hollow phoenix]

What fams

[glossy swift]

Do we can manipulate the darknest front line depending up the troops and formation we are using

[cursive spruce]

no

[placid breach]

my brain just stopped working after reading the first 3 words 👍

[glossy swift]

Lol ignore my grammer , it never makes sense to me too lol

[glossy swift]

Can we*

How buffers manipulate the wall interaction?

[lethal wren]

Actually yes you can.

But only in certain situations

Moulman is not fully correct on that

For the most part you can't, but particularly with nests that have range/cav inside you can force a formation change. Send full range with 4 cav troops in cav phal - do not send even 1 inf troop it will mess everything) then you force the cav to rush out of the wall. You can run it twice and deliberately fail one time before you run it correctly and see that the formation does in fact change. There's a few cases where this can happen.

[cursive spruce]

well, didn't get the question this way but yes the cav can run out

[lethal wren]

It's not just that they run out. The formation changes. If you fail it and then run correctly you'll see on the report that the nest has a different formation.

[amber topaz]

[earnest violet]

My first DN6 win, I think...

Without any T5s 😄

And non-maxed DN researches + F2P.

[earnest violet]

Just won another one.

[chrome kraken]

Not congratulations 😙

[tidal crow]

for gems, is there any difference between ess 14 and ess 10 since they are the same color. will essence 14 give more gems than essence 10?

[lethal wren]

Not noticeably

[tidal crow]

okay thanks!

[sweet hamlet]

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[zenith peak]

There will be difference

[willow fossil]

Guys can anyone help me?

I'm doing dn5 for 1st time

Going with infantry,which army line to use

I know all counters but darknest is different so please help

[livid canyon]

Use range wedge . Add some buffers though

[willow fossil]

Ok thank you;) ❤️

1-2 player have sent some range and cav it will be ok?

[amber topaz]

yes some buffers won't hurt

[willow fossil]

130k range lol

And 40k cav xD

[livid canyon]

Like 1000 cav and range each

[livid canyon]

Too much. If the dn is inf front, it will make you lose morale

[willow fossil]

I sent that range and cav back

[willow fossil]

I already added 50 range and 55 cav lol

[livid canyon]

Only the rally lead adds buffers to the rally except they say otherwise

[willow fossil]

Yes

Thank you ☺️ for guiding;)

[willow fossil]

@livid canyon i won xD

[restive furnace]

21 cav join 19+

[gaunt beacon]

Sorry missed it

[lethal wren]

Set 1 hour

[amber topaz]

Crap Not enough fillers

[lethal wren]

Too late the nests respawned

[dense sentinel]

Relaunch