Auction buyouts rules update

[north shell]

Making a thread here so mods can communicate upcoming changes

soon™ but feel free to give thoughts

[dusty coyote]

Buyout should be black and white with no wiggle room, and it should be honored by both parties.

Either that or they should not exist.

[primal lagoon]

honestly, shouldn’t have them. Feels more like a trade leads to lots of unhappy people and miscommunication on everyone’s end and people can end auctions at any time when accepting a bid anyways is more just used when someone wants to make sure they get the pokemon and no one else which defeats the point of the auction.

[north shell]

yeah there's both sides

we've been discussing that back and forth

ill give what we've currently got proposed soon

i want to clean it up

[green condor]

No cancel the buyout in my opinion and just let the auction run if u are satisfied with a bid u can close it

[dusty coyote]

That's also a good way forward. Hosts already have the power of accepting any bid whenever they want for whatever reason.

Buyout is just signaling you want an auction to go big.

[wide peak]

I agree, you can remove buyouts and let people end early normally if they are satisfied with an offer. Without the rule/mindset that come along with buyout.

accepted top bid stays binding for both parties so I think it would be easier, if someone wants to top it they can

and the host isnt forced to accept a lesser deal

I think it serves everyone equally

[sage pecan]

no buyout, bids only, host accepts bid they are satisfied with, ????, profit

[wide peak]

I think the term itself brings issues for some reason, no one should be forced to accept a bid/buyout, for example if its from a new discord account

[keen patio]

I'm on both sides for buyouts

I like them for the simple fact I don't have to keep track of what I offered and it's done, but also I don't have to keep checking the auction.

However I can see why they are also an issue because atm people can come behind and bid past the buyout. However I feel if you do set a buyout, then you should be aware that you risk potential of the what could have been and you DO have to honor it.

The issue then with having buyouts is sometimes people do not know what they have. I've seen auctions where people bid crazy just because of someone's OT.

Easiest fix is to just remove them and let the auctioneer decide what they want to accept overall.

[pseudo carbon]

+1 for buyouts, they dont need to be eliminated altogether. OPs dont have to include them. OP should also be able to accept/deny like any other bid

[dusty coyote]

I disagree, Peppa, it'll just lead to disgruntled buyers. Either offer a buyout and honor it or don't

[keen patio]

If buyouts are to be kept in then they NEED to be honored. If that is an issue, just remove them. There doesn't need to be confusion going forward on the issue.

[dusty coyote]

Less ambiguity = less work for mods

[north shell]

that auction there was literally fault of all 3 parties involved

[latent birch]

I think if a buyout is stated by an auctioneer and the buyout is met it should be respected regardless of higher bids.

This being said, I can also see why the auctioneer may feel like they are losing out in which case I think having some other term may be a better fit. For example lets say an auctioneer sets a "Closing Bid" of 10 balls once the bid is accepted it can start a 5min timer where if no other bids are made they win the auction (timing can obviously be adjusted this is just an example). This way if someone want to set a buyout they can or if someone sets a "closing bid" there is still a chance for them to get outbid however given the closing bid is likely high it would be unlikely.

[hollow niche]

no buyouts. better we hook in all the alt accts bidding high bc that's when we really see who's been ban evading

[keen patio]

Yep just set a snipe protection

[pseudo carbon]

ok, but there are 200k in this server and there are bad actors.

which I guess doesnt make it any easier lol

[hollow niche]

i agree with this take

[dusty coyote]

That's what middlemen are for

[finite hawk]

keep it on topic please

[dusty coyote]

[cunning gust]

I think if a buyout is activated then it has to be accepted regardless if someone would be willing to bid higher, if your that inclined to put a buyout on your auction, you should accept it, if you feel the buyout was too low then set it higher next time

[keen patio]

I agree, it's better to overshoot your buyout if you want one. This way you know you're satisfied. That's what a buyouts purpose is, both parties are satisfied.

[north shell]

coming soon to a rules update near you

this is mostly final

__BUYOUTS: __

• If you are setting one, you can ONLY set a buyout from the beginning of your auction.
• A buyout has to be an exact number or value and clear to bidders what you are seeking.
• Using point systems is okay, but if a "X" points buyout is set, the host does NOT get to pick and choose if they don't like the combination(s) offered.
• Once a buyout offer is made, you must accept it. Snipe protection does not apply to buyouts.

**Ignoring a buyout, adding a buyout midway through or using buyouts to fish for bids will get you permanently removed from the trading and auction section of this server. **

[keen patio]

I think I'm the end, removing buyouts is def the easiest option but I'll admit I'll be a little sad cause I did like to use them in my auctions and others cause I'm lazy with tracking items / mons.

[pseudo carbon]

based rule, thank you

[keen patio]

Can we set 2 buyouts? One for pure apris and the other as just the pts met?'🤔

[north shell]

does it say you cant

[torpid rose]

Fair point. I guess with a buyout as long as the terms are listed clearly I don’t think there would be an issue

[keen patio]

Well, it's better to establish it now cause the whole previous issue that happened wasn't well laid out and it's why we are here now. 👍

[signal pecan]

I may sound dumb but what if a bidder offers a specifically a buyout bid even if you don't have one set? Since I've had that happen on my auctions before

[north shell]

then its not a buyout bid

an the bidder is stupid

[signal pecan]

gotcha, thanks

[short zodiac]

sublimesarge has given 1 Gen Rep to dumbseal

[dusty coyote]

It's just something you have to consider closing the auction for

[north shell]

thats just a high bid

[eternal summit]

if you're nitpicking the rules now you don't really want to do auctions

[north shell]

if they back out of the bid, they'll be punished

[dusty coyote]

Now is the best time to nitpick 🙂

[north shell]

dont bid something if you dont intend to follow through

[cunning gust]

This is clear enough for me

[finite hawk]

also just a PSA. if we find (the same) people trying to find loopholes around anything, we will be moderating more strictly in the future.

but PLEASE. we highly depend on reports. so keep using #reports if something is up. we don't wanna babysit every auction

[north shell]

if you give me a headache im banning you

thats being added to #rules

[finite hawk]

pretty much

[cunning gust]

Best rule of the lot 😂

[lavish mantle]

it's over chat

[north shell]

we did our best to make it as clear as possible

if its not listed, or not there, please your brain first and intuit the rules

the spirit of the rules and auctions matters a lot

[eternal summit]

You gotta watch 3 episodes of storage wars before coming into auctions from now on