#VGC Beginner, needing advice

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simple olive
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So I've recently gotten into the VGC. Farthest I've gotten is Pokeball Tier and I feel like I'm stuck there. Maybe it's cause I'm bad at teambuilding, maybe it's poor battle strategies... whatever the case may be, I need some help from someone more experienced. I've got my team that I want to use but I need it improved upon since bad teambuilding. Thanks so much<3

rich rapids
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whts the team?

simple olive
rich rapids
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hmm

simple olive
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Maushold will not have Chople Berry, it will most likely end up with Wide Lens

rich rapids
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battle me 👀

simple olive
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after i get done testing out someone's dozo + tatsu i gotchu 👀

rich rapids
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mhm

simple olive
rich rapids
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1198s code

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single or double

simple olive
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doubles

rich rapids
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alr

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should i use my good team or my "good" team

simple olive
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pfft

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either one

rich rapids
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bet

simple olive
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i love lechonk

rich rapids
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just wait

simple olive
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best team 2023

rich rapids
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fr world champ team?

simple olive
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exactly

rich rapids
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good luck!

simple olive
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indeed, good luck!

rich rapids
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ur gonna need itt

simple olive
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woooo spooky lechonk team

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omg are they all shiny

rich rapids
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yes

simple olive
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i commend your time spent

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getting those

rich rapids
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i have 3 full boxes of shiny lechonks

simple olive
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wga

rich rapids
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only

simple olive
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wha

rich rapids
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hehehehaw

simple olive
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i cannot

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i love lechonk

rich rapids
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same

simple olive
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yesss

rich rapids
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fr

simple olive
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went out with a bang

hushed kernel
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Could you send your EVs?

simple olive
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yep!

serene merlin
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Please make a pokepaste if u can

simple olive
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alr

hushed kernel
# simple olive Sorry if something is unclear, bad photo

But your team doesnt really have a lot of synergy. You should always use armarouge with indeedee, expanding force is too good to pass up, you're focusing on HO which is fine, your speed control is lackluster, dozo completely rips this team apart. Murkrow is just a better tailwind setter and prankster haze should patch up a lot of weaknesses. Ditch one of these mons for indeedee, or just don't use armarouge. Don't run defensive goldy, use specs/scarf. No reason to run muscle over choice band on palafin, focus punch is garbage use icepunch/zenbutt
ditch thunder fang on chomp, rock slide is just better.

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also what is kilowattrel doing here instead of murkcrow

serene merlin
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You might also need to consider adding paradox pokemon

hushed kernel
simple olive
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oh crap i forgot they were added this season

hushed kernel
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wait what

simple olive
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no no they were added season 3

hushed kernel
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paradox is legal??

simple olive
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right now yeah

hushed kernel
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i still can't use them in ranked wtf

serene merlin
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Wdym

hushed kernel
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when were they added

serene merlin
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Series 2 started 6 days ago

simple olive
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yeah

serene merlin
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6 days ago

hushed kernel
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Oh yeah

serene merlin
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Literally every team is paradox mon

simple olive
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yeah lol

hushed kernel
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shoot

simple olive
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idk how to use them properly though, it seems like they'd be good

hushed kernel
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okay yeah that changes everything

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but everything i saidstill applies

serene merlin
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Dondozo isn't as prevalent now but you definitely want an answer

simple olive
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mm yeah true

hushed kernel
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why would you use brute bonnet

serene merlin
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Cuz it's strong

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Huge attack, rage powder, spore

hushed kernel
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amoongus

serene merlin
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Amoongus has no offensive pressure

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Brute bonnet can ohko stuff

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Amoongus is still good but it has a different role

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Brute bonnet is basically meowscarada 2.0

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But with more utility

hushed kernel
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Brute bonnet also has no regenerator, no fairy resist, no fighting resist

serene merlin
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You can tera out if u need

hushed kernel
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also 4x weak to u-turn

serene merlin
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But again, it has a different role

hushed kernel
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it's just mid af

serene merlin
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It's role is both damage and utility

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Have u even seen recent tournaments

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It's great

hushed kernel
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7/32 top cut had brute bonnet

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10/32 amoongus

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another amoongus W!!!!

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theres like 16 iron hands though so

serene merlin
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Amoongus is strong, but brute bonnet isn't mid

hushed kernel
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fluttermane and ironhands completely shred it, attacking stats are good but still extremely slow
252 SpA Choice Specs Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Brute Bonnet: 482-570 (132.7 - 157%) -- guaranteed OHKO
200+ Atk Choice Band Iron Hands Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Brute Bonnet: 662-780 (182.3 - 214.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Protean Meowscarada U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Brute Bonnet: 408-484 (112.3 - 133.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Although I do play more singles, I still feel it's way too slow to be a significant threat on the field

simple olive
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maybe run it in a tr team since it's so slow

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a lot of pokemon used now are pretty fast

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at least in my experience

hushed kernel
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troom psychic terrain armarouge expanding force is very strong yea

serene merlin
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But yeah pick what u like. Iron hands in particular is very dominant in vgc, as are flutter + bundle

hushed kernel
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also just some tips, don't try to overpredict, unless it's very obvious they're going to switch/protect a mon, just do the most straightforward thing, don't overthink

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You'll get a feel for it after more practice

simple olive
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yeah i've gotten a bit more used to predicting after a bit of practice

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it definitely takes a bit of practice though and i definitely need more

simple olive
# hushed kernel But your team doesnt really have a lot of synergy. You should always use armarou...

I changed the team to Murkrow, Garchomp, Palafin, Gholdengo, Armarouge, and Indeedee-F. Murkrow is running Haze, Tailwind, Taunt, and Protect; Garchomp is the same except for the change to Rock Slide; Palafin got Ice Punch but the rest is the same (Trying to get Choice Band); Gholdengo is running Choice Specs but the movepool didn't change; Armarouge didn't change; Indeedee-F is running Psychic Surge with Psychic Terrain with the moveset Psychic, Follow Me, Helping Hand, and Protect, does that help it?

hushed kernel
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try to replace psyshock on gholdy

simple olive
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Hm, what should I replace it for

hushed kernel
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dazzling gleam is good

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so is nasty plot

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if you're using scarf trick is also viable

simple olive
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Ooo yeah true, trick could be rude with that

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Yeah Dazzling Gleam to patch up the weakness to Dark (I think?? I have bad type match memory lol)

hushed kernel
serene merlin
hushed kernel
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Tera goldy is a waste imo

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it's typing is already great

serene merlin
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Pretty common in vgc to tera steel ghold

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At least in s1