unban legitimately catchable shinies

[bold swallow]

They shouldn’t be trade banned

[tawny torrent]

Why not?

[bold swallow]

Bc they can be banned legitimately

[tawny torrent]

They're not banned because they can be obtained legitimately

[waxen pawn]

What this person seems to want is that there shouldn’t be trade bans on pokemon that seem legal

[tawny torrent]

The vast majority of these Pokémon being traded are hacked, so only a very small proportion of players with legitimate Pokémon are affected. If you have legitimately obtained one of these Pokémon, then you wouldn't want to trade it anyway due to how rare it is.

A shiny authentic sinistea can be legitimate. But the chances of that happening are so low and the vast majority of players trading this pokemon are doing so with hacked Pokémon, so there is no reason to unban

[bold swallow]

Well no bc it’s an amazing bargain chip like

[waxen pawn]

Like you can trade it for something of equivalent or higher rarity… like another shiny authentic sinistea

[tawny torrent]

Not here, because it's banned. If you have spent the time to get a legitimate Pokémon on the ban list, then you would have spent enough time to get many many other rare Pokémon that are not banned, so you would have plenty of bargaining chips anyway

[tawny torrent]

The likelihood of that sinistea you trade for being hacked is so high, and there is not the capacity to check every single Pokémon traded, that it's better to ban these Pokémon from being traded

[waxen pawn]

You missed my point! I’m saying what’s the point in having it as a bargaining chip! There’s nothing to bargain for

[bold swallow]

There’s three shinies the#at are trade banned idk bout anyone else but I don’t like 3seg dum I’d prefer a moushold or sini or polti

[tawny torrent]

There is no point to using it as a bargaining chip, it's an end in itself

[tawny torrent]

The chances of obtaining a 3 seg dundunsparce are 1in100. So on average you'd have to find 100 shiny dundunsparce before you find a shiny 3 segment one legitimately. Let that sink in.

[waxen pawn]

Thanks for reiterating that 🤨

[tawny torrent]

You're welcome 😊

[bold swallow]

Either way mons that can be obtained legally should not be trade banned at all any mon can be hacked, swsh any legend could be obtained legitimately shiny and hacked

[dense plover]

swsh is also a much older game, with much more time to find these rare shinies

[tawny torrent]

The difference is the likelihood of being hacked. It's not as simple as "well any Pokémon can be hacked so you should tradeban every Pokémon"

[bold swallow]

No there just banning based on luck which shouldn’t be the case, put a disclaimer by all means but dont turn around and say hey these are banned.

[dense plover]

it is very much based on luck, in fact if someone gets one it is an incredibly lucky find and an extremely low chance, therefore it is trade banned because most people aren’t that lucky

[waxen pawn]

Avoiding hacked pokemon is a big part of this server’s trading philosophy, you can trade somewhere else if you dislike it

[bold swallow]

Rarity should not be an option to ban no matter what.

[dense plover]

rarity causes more opportunities for hackers to send genned versions to people, therefore they should very much be trade banned

[bold swallow]

That’s what’s dragging the demand up more

[dense plover]

rarity = demand = hackers who prey on demand

[dense plover]

On the contrary—hacked versions of the pokémon tend to drag demand down. Every time Blaines (for example) gives away a rare hacked shiny event pokémon or a rare shiny pokémon in general the demand drops, because people can no longer trust that the mons they’re getting aren’t hacked

[bold swallow]

Okay so put in a rule where it’s proof of obtaining the mon ‘if wanting to trade (said mon) you will need to have proof of obtaining i.e a video of encounter’

[dense plover]

To reiterate another point of Pumpkin’s, just trade somewhere else if you don’t agree with this server’s rules.

So in that case, what’s stopping people from pulling random videos off the internet and passing it off as theirs?

You’re naive to think that simply enforcing video proof is going to stop hacked mons from circulating.

[waxen pawn]

One can fake a lot of encounters

[dense plover]

That too.

[bold swallow]

There’s ways around and hacked mons still get traded no matter what

Just bc there rare doesn’t mean they should be banned

[waxen pawn]

Not the hacked moms 😨

[dense plover]

Hence the blanket ban, the mods are trying their best to make sure zero hacked versions of these mons are in circulation, by banning them all to be safe.

[dense plover]

It’s okay because there rare

[tawny torrent]

The number of legitimate Pokémon affected by this ban is extremely small

So low, that it's better to just ban all of them

[waxen pawn]

Atrius said this a bit ago but a lot of people aren’t informed enough to understand when things are likely to be hacked, and at times this can put them and their accounts at risk by obtaining illegal pokemon
This server’s rules keep people mindful and are a general protective measure. And they’re not banned in some other servers! Go have your fun trading wherever else you’d like

[bold swallow]

It’s also the fact of raids can be hacked and stuff like that, it just doesn’t make sense to me by all mean people are entitled it’s not my server I’m just saying in my opinion legit mons shouldn’t be banned in my opinion just put a disclaimer on it.

[tawny torrent]

Your opinion doesn't align with the opinion of the mods, hence the difference in the rules (banning these pokemon)

[bold swallow]

Just raised a point I’m entitled to that

[waxen pawn]

You sure are!

[bold swallow]

:))

[dense plover]

While legit mons perhaps don’t deserve to be banned, they’re a sacrifice for the greater good here. Just cause 1% of shiny 3 seg dudunsparce are legit doesn’t mean the other 99% of hacked ones should be allowed

[tawny torrent]

Yes absolutely, not saying anything to the contrary. It's just not productive when all you can say is"well legitimate pokemon shouldn't be banned"

[dense plover]

So therefore, it’s just better to ban 100% of shiny 3 seg dudunsparce.

[bold swallow]

Either way banned or unbanned it’s how it is.