Upsilon & E22 Dev

[unkempt tapir]

Hello, is there a firmware that has the updated Periodic table from E22 which in my opinion has better design & more features than Omega & Upsilon. If I wanted to do that, how would I go on about doing it? And can I release my Upsilon fork with E22 apps & features or is it actually illegal now?

I also want to port over Inference & Finance from E22, and possibly make KhiCas dark themed

[lost pine]

Upsilon and Omega cannot reuse Epsilon 16+ code because it's under a proprietary license that prevents redistributing it, so even you can't (unless you write all the code by yourself)

And for KhiCAS dark theme, I don't think it's possible, nor a good idea

[unkempt tapir]

Do Upsilon developers plan to add features accordingly/"inspired" by E22 then? Even if the features are the same, if the code is different it should work

Otherwise, I'll do it for myself using E22, and possibly redistribute with rewritten code

[dim eagle]

U cant redistribute e16+ code

[unkempt tapir]

Has nobody thought of at least implementing the same features but with original code?

I don't think Numworks will go to great lengths. Freedom is more important

I will start working on Upsilon + E22 and if anyone wants it it will go through Telegram

I don't want to involve anyone for the "redistribution part", but without redistributing, what would I need to do in order to update Epsilon to 22 (in the upsilon cfw)?

I also want to implement the polar grid

[dim eagle]

Idk, i know that numworks is not that great about freedom

[dim eagle]

U cant, cuz copyrights

[unkempt tapir]

You can't copyright features

You can implement the same concept but write the code from scratch

[ashen shore]

You can copyright the code

[unkempt tapir]

Google can't sue Microsoft for Bing

[unkempt tapir]

Yes, but not the feature

[ashen shore]

And the code is too complex to be reimplemented from scratch with less time than NumWorks

[unkempt tapir]

Then we do it anonymously in a way they can't sue us

They can't sue if we just share how to do it, without distributing the code

If this is about freedom, we can't let a copyright license ruin our project

We just have to handle it properly/"sneakily"

It's like Nintendo homebrew

They will never be able to actually sue us, at most they'll take the GitHub repository down

So, we can just host it somewhere else

Maybe we'll be able to do something

Just forking a repository and committing isn't redistributing

And since numworks user space is hosted on GitHub, we have the rights to fork it

We shouldn't distribute binaries, but we can guide users to the end result

Considering all of this, we should probably at least try

I don't think Numworks has taken action on anyone, I think we've been too cautious

I never thought I would have seen a homebrew community listen to the hw manufacturer

Upsilon & E22 Dev

[dim eagle]

numworks repo isn't complete, it lacks some essentials things to build an os like upsilon or the original epsilon (their repo is made only for their weird system for making alt os)

[unkempt tapir]

Got it, but would it be possible to port at least the E22 atomic app?

[dim eagle]

yes but you need to rewrite it completly (aka not copy-paste)

[glacial wraith]

The things you haven't seen...