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#Steam 2
shell patrol
topaz aspen
bolt gun quit duoyi? or just discord?
dire jolt
So yeah guys I know how much you hate those big fat poison dudes in the desert area.. but they seem to get rekd easily by... FIre Tower? :v
Idk how or why but they're just getting rekt! D:
topaz aspen
So yeah guys I know how much you hate those big fat poison dudes in the desert a...
I was front row witness to the total bonkage ;P
carmine ermine
Hmmmmmmmmm...
Gee, I wonder why. 
topaz aspen
Hmmmmmmmmm...
Gee, I wonder why. <:Justice:747490539812815006>
It is just the unmatched power of the bonk!!
dire jolt
that lovely steel "PLONK" sound effect is too stronk
topaz aspen
that lovely steel "PLONK" sound effect is too stronk
PLONK followed by Li giggle
dire jolt
god I love Li's giggles when she one shots things lmfao
Nona's giggles are adorable too xD
topaz aspen
Yeeee I love when characters just make little laughs and giggles then they man handle monsters 5 times their size XD
carmine ermine
My favorite is Monke's voice.
He's all serious sounding all the time, until one time you kill like 7 enemies at once and he chuckles.
topaz aspen
Xing Zhe has the no effing around attitude
dire jolt
My favorite is Monke's voice.
He's all serious sounding all the time, until one...
I mean everyone needs a moment to laugh their stresses away :)
Remember the time when I PLONK'd some nerd in the face with a flaming steel pipe? they got obliterated in one hit and dropped many cool guns.
earnest minnow
hearty cypress
yeah like, i normally wouldn't run cavalry of all things on prince but just like
look at it
how can i not
hasty cape
So true
shell patrol
So yeah guys I know how much you hate those big fat poison dudes in the desert a...
everything gets rekt by fire tower
waxen jetty
Were new roadmap for 2024?
hasty cape
I don't think they've announced one yet, I may be wrong tho but I don't see it in the road map channel if it is a thing
Feel free to correct me
If im wrong
waxen jetty
That's the problem. Can't find anything about it (next updates or else).
Even about ending of 1rst season (in update said season 3-4 month of 01/12)
Quarter 1 is over soon of the year... And we haven't any info about future...
hasty cape
Idk I'd be okay waiting longer if needed if it means a better product. That's what I'd assume/hope would be the case
waxen jetty
The lack of information about updates (there was an update board for 2023) suggests that they are not planned...
hasty cape
I'd be okay with that too, it's a pretty great game as is I've still got quite a bit of content to do. I haven't even touched the whole arena thing yet
dire jolt
everything gets rekt by fire tower
Not like how I use it. >.>
spice forum
The lack of information about updates (there was an update board for 2023) sugge...
Absolutely false
A roadmap is no guaranteed needed and absolutely „have to do this“ thing
It is a nice thing for developers to provide to give the community an idea of what they plan and at the same time is NOT a guarantee „this will be in the game“ it is a plan and nothing more.
Updates are still planned for a long time and the game development is not stopped that is just jumping to conclusions because you dont see a current roadmap
To put it bluntly :
The roadmap would be released when the team feels confident in what to add or concrete plans are there.
When the game first went into EA there wasnt a road map. Only a few years into it we got one near the end of early access
topaz aspen
To put it bluntly :
The roadmap would be released when the team feels confident...
^^^^^^^
carmine ermine
And something to keep in mind is that the 2023 roadmap was changed multiple times as the devs' plans changed with them.
So this isn't just speculating on what could happen with a new roadmap, it already has happened before. A 2024 roadmap would be just as likely to change and become inaccurate.
waxen jetty
To put it bluntly :
The roadmap would be released when the team feels confident...
Where I can early saw about nears updates?
spice forum
Nowhere as does everyone, even including us
We can ask the dev team if something can be made but also as we said : its no guarantee that those things will be the the updates
topaz aspen
Where I can early saw about nears updates?
we all get update info at the same time
as soon as they wanna share what is happening, they will announce it :)
somber summit
Where I can early saw about nears updates?
Hoylshit i had to read it 3 time before i knew what he meant
topaz aspen
Hoylshit i had to read it 3 time before i knew what he meant
really cant lie... same
jade crypt
Gah
carmine ermine
Not at the moment.
peak shoal
thank yew :3
topaz aspen
south root
Sorry I just jumped back in the server after a month or so - haven't been ignoring you!
However, the above is not an indicator of people in general disliking the game for being too easy, for two reasons:
- Recent reviews have gone up to 92%, as of today (looking at Steam)
- Going back to Jan 1st, of around 110 negative reviews, only 2 make any mention of the game being too easy, one saying "you either get one shot or it's a cakewalk", the other saying "the game has been ruined by power creep". The overwhelming majority are due to technical issues, poor localisation, the movement especially in comparison to Roboquest. And many reviews actually allude to or outright mention the game being too challenging or unfairly difficult for them being the reason for the negative review
I think it's important to note that the experience of people dedicated enough to frequent the discord won't be representative of the general playerbase of the game. Most here probably will find it too easy after playing it for so long! But those same reviews mentioned suggest that people on general do not find it to be the same easy experience, and the game is still loved after recent updates
spice forum
You are looking st steam reviews
the former statement is based on hundreds of such statements about difficulty posted here
south root
Oh was it not making reference to steam reviews dropping to 86%?
spice forum
I mean comments about difficulty , you will almost never find them in reviews negative
south root
I did see a lot of negative ones saying it was unfairly challenging (I don't personally agree with that, I like where the difficulty is at personally). With a lot of games what I notice is that a discord's consensus, while valid, can be fairly niche. But that discord surrounds the devs and can often influence them to change a game based on the feelings of the few rather than the many. When it comes to the views of the few hardcore vs most other players, I think there is room for both if done carefully
One example might be a hades style heat system, completely optional, where you get to 'choose your own nerfs' - if you want them. That might work!
I think there is something like it already, maybe it could be expanded
And on the flipside, personally I think the seasonal arcane jade buffs being optional would be nice as well even if you don't have to take them throughout your run currently
carmine ermine
The irony with how people complain it's unfairly challenging and how there could've been an optional difficulty system is:
- Reincarnation levels were already an optional difficulty system. If you wanted the cool new stuff, stick to Reincarnation 1. Everything further was supposed to be for players to challenge themselves. Instead we got buffed to oblivion to the point that all levels are virtually identical. Bizarre Dreams were also supposed to be something similar, but they're mostly more buffs because they couldn't get the balance right.
- The people complaining about unfair difficulty can't even participate in most of the buffs to make the game easier anyway, because the really powerful buffs are almost exclusively on Reincarnation difficulty, which they likely haven't reached yet.
- The buffs don't stop the "unfair difficulty" that the rest of people complain about on high Reincarnation anyway, because you can still get quickly burst down if you make a mistake. It just reduces how often that happens. The reason why it feels unfair? Because Reincarnation was supposed to be hard, not "easy with occasional instant death".
It's as I always say nowadays. "Stop complaining about the hardest difficulty being hard. Lower the difficulty instead of demanding the game be made easier."
south root
I think that is for the most part a perfectly reasonable view from the perspective of someone who (I'm guessing?) has put many, many hours into the game, even if perhaps not shared by the majority outside the discord - still, no less valid and not to be ignored
I will say that I really love how powerful characters feel, it's so rare compared to most games and I do hope they keep it as the default up to reincarnation 9! But if there was an optional way to tune characters down for the true experts, I'd celebrate it even if it's not for me at all. Definitely agree that Bizarre Dream should have been the system catered for the hardcore
It would be nice for people to not feel penalised for putting so many hours into the game as it's for you as well. I guess the main part where we differ is how you feel that mode should be the high reincarnation difficulties, where my preference would be a separate optional system for tuning characters down directly that I could avoid while enjoying reincarnation 9, but you and others here could enjoy to their heart's content. Although, I imagine if there was any way for you to tune the buffs down, even if as an optional separate system, you might like that?
You know, it could be a good idea for seasonal content (which I definitely think should be optional!). Not every season has to be centered around super mega buffs, they can all be different and they'll always need new ideas for new seasons
shell patrol
you win reincarnation if you pass longling
it's either a cakewalk or a oneshot
gunfire really needs better bossfights that arent just 2 invincibility phases
i always find the boss to be 10x easier than the actual levels
i also think damage should overall be reduced, but there should be less defense scrolls and spirit feline ESPECIALLY needs a nerf or complete removal
bc it's either you spawnkill everything or you get burstdown
carmine ermine
gunfire really needs better bossfights that arent just 2 invincibility phases
i ...
Contrary to popular belief, there's a secret phase to boss fights between when they appear and when they die instantly where... you get to fight them.
shell patrol
theres not much interesting gameplay past that
shell patrol
Contrary to popular belief, there's a secret phase to boss fights between when t...
NO WAY
/s
but yes, the problem is that instead of making the bossfights more interesting, its just dropping in invincibility phases to lengthen them
golem is sorta cool with the weakpoint stuff
but thats about it
boss oneshots should still be a thing but take a lot more effort and precision to pull off
carmine ermine
So basically... undo 2 years of buffs. Because that's how boss fights used to work.
tulip steppe
So basically... undo 2 years of buffs. Because that's how boss fights used to wo...
console is the real game 
somber summit
I play on the kettle
Weak. I play gunfire reborn on the hair dryer
Quite the mind blowing experience
topaz aspen
Weak. I play gunfire reborn on the hair dryer
Dang, no need to rub it in!
I play on a kettle because I had a gamer rage and smashed my radiator >:(
earnest minnow
The irony with how people complain it's unfairly challenging and how there could...
But...isn't Bizzare Dream already an Uber broken buffs for players...?
topaz aspen
ill let you cook
trim swan
I exist
earnest minnow
Hello
trim swan
Hi Chatot!! :3
hiiii
topaz aspen
https://tenor.com/view/float-gif-22607999
trim swan
https://tenor.com/view/cattering-ram-gif-16797977371008998079
I can play multiplayer gunfir again
topaz aspen
I can play multiplayer gunfir again
niceeee
but rn I am trying a crown prince run lol
leaden forum
theres no roadmap for 2024?
carmine ermine
But...isn't Bizzare Dream already an Uber broken buffs for players...?
Yes, as I stated. The devs couldn't get the balance right between positive and negative effects, so they just stuck to mostly positive.
topaz aspen
theres no roadmap for 2024?
yeah for now
topaz aspen
time to chug then
heavy bridge
hey when does season 2 start?
topaz aspen
hey when does season 2 start?
no set date...
heavy bridge
ah fair enough
topaz aspen
yeeee they will announce when they are ready :3
tulip steppe
🍻
hasty cape
azure fossil
Hey guys, could anybody explain to me in detail how exactly does the damage cap work for both weapon damage and spells, and what is the theoretical maximum possible damage with one shot(I do not mean the 999999 that shows but the real damage) My best shot is around 330 milion and I am wondering how much more could I get
carmine ermine
The theoretical maximum possible damage with one shot is... the integer limit.
Because Thunderous Arcanum exists, and it has no cap when it activates.
azure fossil
What about the Weapon and spells?
earnest minnow
Yes, as I stated. The devs couldn't get the balance right between positive and n...
Yea, sure that in early state in Elite and Nightmare where the Talents levels are kinda low, difficulty stuffs i can get it, but then...as far as i can see, most characters just level them to lv5 could easily walk throu the whole stages like nothing is there for them
Not to mention in this current version, they literary add Scroll Asc that made some characters already good now turn into an Uber broken to get use to the game
All i can guess is that they encounter Robust Elites+Emergency Heal...maybe i dunno
earnest minnow
Yeesh, niche
shell patrol
hey shitheads
shell patrol
The theoretical maximum possible damage with one shot is... the integer limit.
...
the 64bit integer limit
topaz aspen
hey shitheads
radiant lodge
oooyeah the new roadmap is out
tbh i prefer new stage / levels, but i take any new content update since it is better than nothing i guess
tulip steppe
anyone on about the Fire Spout in the Season 2 logo?
spice forum
That is the Firetrap
and below you can see Corrosive and Fire Barrels
so my guess is that Season 2 focuses on traps
It was Season 1 : Arcane Ascenion
meaning that was the season 1 gimmick
nowhere was a guarantee or written same mechanic down the line
So we will likely be able to choose in the future from multiple seasonal mechanics
maybe even multiple at a time
frail sage
just one question, the free shop in season 2 to get the season 1 skin, is it fair? xd
i suffered for 3 days, playing like a drug addict
frail sage
i get something for playing and finishing the pass or i just have to watch other people just buy the skin
spice forum
down the line you need to have the essence to buy aka grind in runs
frail sage
fair but
spice forum
“just buy” is false
The currency is limited and if it costs 5k soul essence for a little thing or say 1k for an emote you need to grind a lot
tulip steppe
i finished the season in 5 hours
spice forum
if it is 20k for the skin that is quite the work
so its other wqy
right NOW is the easy way
Took me 3 casual meme runs to get 35 tasks done
3 runs doesnt get you anywhere close to say 2k essence
spice forum
Casual
general for people also spending souls in a run on rerolls , chests etc and revives
not endless
frail sage
not endless
1 hour long (the difficulty with numbers i forgot the name)
with spending essence at the soul essence merchant
still got around 800
they changed it? maybe coop boosts? idk, i just remember i did that number
spice forum
Coop has more enemies per player
solo you wont reach these numbers with spending on rerolls or chests during a run
let alone revives slashing a few hundred
So for the average casual player with self revives that could take 4-5 ish runs to get 2k essence
in ANY form the rewards are way easier to get as the quests rewards
as you can get multiple from a single run
hasty cape
ROADMAP LES GOOOO
hearty cypress
i feel so bad about recycling this, qing yan would give his very soul for a weapon like this
but i found this in hyperborean jokul 2 and it doesn't help my build
tulip steppe
Arsenal Guard
hearty cypress
the gemini inscription is in use, is the thing
tulip steppe
he spawns after you beat Monarch/Gluttony
hearty cypress
i know but like
i'm not confident in my ability to beat them without the duo corrosion + fire from gemini
north kernel
how the fuck do you kill glutton, i get his hp down, then he heals back max hp, are they seriously softlocking me for not having enough damage??
spice forum
no
You are not standing in safe zones
the game tells you each time in bold letters
north kernel
the game tells you each time in bold letters
in simpler terms, stand behind the rock
it just says pay attention to the void, and i had no clue what that ment, its in fact the opposite of what you're supposed to do
spice forum
the stones have a special effwct behind them
just like a wind tunnel effect
More like the Safi Ji‘iva fight
north kernel
the stones have a special effwct behind them
my bad, ill read the lore on the rocks
wind solar
How imma make my friends ply this game if it only ever goes for 20© discount uf
spice forum
i do 800+ per run
Just as an example
R1 Solo , With Lone Wolf 2 , No Soul Essence chests , no revives , No Reroll For Blessings , Did change a blessing at Yokul
Netting shy over 450
This is pretty much an average gain per run
So if an Emote costs you just 1k Essence thats 2 runs
if the skin costs like 16k
Thats a whole lot of solo runs
and to keep in mind :
This has to be mindfull of new players as well
not just people who regularily cap out on essence and then spend like a goof ball on rolling essence chests 16 times for the fun
carmine ermine
I'm gonna point out that R8/R9 have much higher soul essence gain, because you get more challenge events and challenge events start dropping soul essence.
And when you think about it, besides act 1 and 2 it's basically the same as R1 anyway.
carmine ermine
Except you can.
If you recall, the devs really like making the highest difficulty accessible by casuals.
earnest minnow
Hello everynyan
versed fox
oh my gah
keen mica
algum br??
shell patrol
oh my gah
topaz aspen
raw merlin
genuine question: what exactly is the fun of playing R9 without all those modifiers?
In theory, I get that it ought to be a reflection of skill and game knowledge to be able to reach that high, but given that the enemies basically get everything that you get out of the modifiers by the time you reach R9, I can't fathom dealing with any of it to be in any way reasonable
or maybe I'm too scrublord and skill issued to understand the thrill and expertise
earnest minnow
genuine question: what exactly is the fun of playing R9 without all those modifi...
Maybe 40 mins of dealing with Emergency Heal Robust Elite Horsehead
earnest minnow
In theory, I get that it ought to be a reflection of skill and game knowledge to...
If being honest, bearly those knowledge can work in R5-R9, i tried and i took ages to beat a stage
Worse case senario, Rng always in the way
topaz aspen
I just have all the modifiers on, I just find it more fun
earnest minnow
really just a skill and luck challenge
30 skill/70 luck
earnest minnow
I just have all the modifiers on, I just find it more fun
Same thought
spice forum
No
so much dmg reduction that the Thunder ball tendrils dealt 1-2 dmg
consistently
Skill dmg still worked so I could kill things but not with weapon dmg
spice forum
I can give you a hint :
In Reincarnation the Craftsman dislikes hoarders
winged fulcrum
Is there a benefit for going for higher stages in reincarnation other than having the difficulty raised up? I've now maxed all my talents and am running out of things to do it feels like... Tho I haven't rreally given the season pass/dailies a look
topaz aspen
Is there a benefit for going for higher stages in reincarnation other than havin...
You get more soul essence and you can access Endless Mode
winged fulcrum
You get more soul essence and you can access Endless Mode
Ahh, more soul essence in like r9 instead of r1? I see endless from r1 tho
topaz aspen
Ahh, more soul essence in like r9 instead of r1? I see endless from r1 tho
Boundless is a more free mode of endless
Endless is a much more brutal version of Boundless
winged fulcrum
o lol. Sounds enjoyable 
topaz aspen
Yeah, difficulty scales much more drastically then boundless
And you have a time limit
So RNG is your worst enemy
topaz aspen
You want Longling tomb amd Anxi Desert in Endless
topaz aspen
so basically, you advance for the challenge
Endless is definitely Boundless but a challenge
winged fulcrum
oke, also is it necessary to grind for soul essences to grind reincarnation or do you usually get more than you spend in reincarnation?
topaz aspen
oke, also is it necessary to grind for soul essences to grind reincarnation or d...
You get more soul essences than the amount you spend usually
Unless you gamble too much with the enhanced occult scroll search
hasty cape
I fucking love gambling
topaz aspen
I fucking love gambling
earnest minnow
ivory parrot
I can give you a hint :
In Reincarnation the Craftsman dislikes hoarders
What does this mean
tulip steppe
i get it
ivory parrot
Well I dont
If its something w transcendant arsenal I've touched that modifier like once
tulip steppe
nope
fallen horizon
I have a problem
hasty cape
Don't we all, what's up?
hasty cape
so hyped for the new dlc
Same, although I still need to learn red panda and owl
fallen horizon
I just finished reincarnation 6 with "Mysterious Jokul" selected, however i didn't get the achievement of finishing Mysterious Jokul, why is it?
I also beat glutony and pole monarch since i had the boundless dream
fallen horizon
No other modifiers? Okay then...
fallen horizon
If that is the reason i don't understand it, since the endless part comes after you've finished the Jokul
But thx @spice forum
random nymph
Hi everyone! Is anyone having trouble running the game on the steam deck? While in gaming mode, if I attempt to play, I just get stuck on the news screen, and it doesn’t detect any controls
topaz aspen
I'm playing on steam deck rn and don't seem to be having this problem
random nymph
Strange. The minute the roadmap pops up, everything just stops working.
topaz aspen
Try verifying integrity of files :>
random nymph
Alright so I just did a test I thought I did before, but just pressing Y bypasses the roadmap completely lol
random nymph
Indeed I am
topaz aspen
It's ok!
carmine ermine
Ok.
bans Staf forever (a really long time)
stable nova
Hey all, I was curious about something and didn't want to risk figuring it out the hard way lol. I'm a bit newer to the game but have gotten the hang of things so I wanted to start going for all of the Avatar Frame challenges, and I was wondering for Nona's if activating the Suicide Device ability, either by Iron Wing getting "knocked out" or by using the primary, counts as Iron Wing "being defeated"? I.E. is picking that during my run just gonna screw up my attempt at the challenge?
carmine ermine
It used to screw over attempts, not anymore.
stable nova
Ok cool, so as long as Iron Wing doesn't go into the reassembling cooldown I'm good? Or does it count the revive state too?
carmine ermine
As long as Iron Wing doesn't end up leaving your side, it's fine.
earnest minnow
Hey all, I was curious about something and didn't want to risk figuring it out t...
Nice profile pic
I like it
ruby token
Nice profile pic
Go figured he's using a profile picture you used to have lol
earnest minnow
Hehee~
stable nova
Nice profile pic
Ty! I'm a big Meloetta fan haha
Advanced Joggers + Propulsion Device + Field Proficiency spiritual blessing + Windrider = literally infinite invincibility, very balanced for sure :)
We only stopped because we finished grinding the season quests we needed and it was getting late LOL
earnest minnow
Ty! I'm a big Meloetta fan haha
Sameeeee
azure fossil
Hey guys, I am wondering what are the best possible inscriptions on piercing flame for monke, and whether the projectiles +1 work with his skill
topaz aspen
Hey guys, I am wondering what are the best possible inscriptions on piercing fla...
Projectiles +1
100% DMG for every bullet it pierces (mandatory)
Elemental share with corrosive launcher
azure fossil
Why elemental share instead of crit?
topaz aspen
Why elemental share instead of crit?
You end up damage capping insanely quick, so elemental share with corrosive launcher means combustion which equals bonus total hits
azure fossil
Okay, thank you 🙂
somber summit
Yess more pf enjoyers
topaz aspen
Yess more pf enjoyers
I'm at 500+ on Xing Zhe
Gonna continue on my steam deck later since I'm not home until tomorrow
somber summit
Sounds like you enjoy pain
topaz aspen
Why not
somber summit
Still nuking everything?
topaz aspen
Kinda yeah
Basic enemies die in no time
Elites take a second
Bosses take a second
tulip steppe
Bosses take a second
a second ²
topaz aspen
a second ²
tulip steppe
thought you got one?
silver drift
should i play gunfire for the first time in months and redo my weapons tier list?
topaz aspen
should i play gunfire for the first time in months and redo my weapons tier list...
Go for it 
chrome blaze
ayy did the back to back achievement last night stayed up all night got from 0 to 30 on the weird battlepass thing and some achievements lol. They really added emotes and avatars and did a decent job of it all
Last time I was in this discord these channels weren't all splt up like this :S
chrome blaze
Does the revealer actually count as crits for things like merciless strike?
regal crag
Advanced Joggers + Propulsion Device + Field Proficiency spiritual blessing + Wi...
couldve done thunder step for a lil less cooldown on dash
tulip steppe
should i play gunfire for the first time in months and redo my weapons tier list...
doubt it would look different 
silver drift
TRUE
carmine ermine
Probably the only thing that would've changed is Piercing Flame getting bumped up a few spaces, because Funke Monke.
topaz aspen
Piercing flame is like the best and one of the worst at the same time
All because of one build
But yeeee overall Piercing Flame is a bad weapon
silver drift
Probably the only thing that would've changed is Piercing Flame getting bumped u...
nah pf is still in F to me
topaz aspen
nah pf is still in F to me
Yeee same because like, despite how dumb the build is, it only has 1 good build
somber summit
still would use PF above gimmering and frenzied any day of the week tho
even when im not playing monke
stable nova
Man I had the perfect run to unlock Lei Luo's avatar frame and couldn't quite finish the run 😭
I can't remember the name of the sniper, but it's the one that shoots two ammo at once and if they both crit it refunds the ammo, and it had the lightning DMG convert and the inscription that makes all scoped damage do crit damage which procced the ammo refund
earnest minnow
Sagde
fallen horizon
Why is it that i have the frame of having the game before the 1st year but not to celebrate the 1 milion copies sold?
somber summit
cuz they hit 1 mil sold before 1 year
fallen horizon
but i have a friend that has it and he bought the game a year after me
but that is true, i bought game after the 1 milion copies were sold, i guess he got a bug or something and has the frame for some reason lol
thanks
icy current
maybe i should unlock
... eventually
finally got the final 3 challenges though, funnily enough it were the "defeat a boss before/without X" and full power big bear
tulip steppe
versed fox
icy current
never.
signal lotus
abstract herald
I have a question that i hope that someone can answer. I haven't played in awhile but last time i was on I had the monkey and fox unlocked already but right now they seem locked behind dlc. I still have their runs recorded in my history so shouldn't i still have them or was this intentional?
abstract herald
well that feels strange i remember having them and I don't see a record of me buying them on steam anywhere
icy current
can you show the run?
but if you don't have them and you have not bought the dlc, that sounds about right
you should not have the characters if you don't own the expansion
somber summit
rad glove most used lol
stable nova
Anyone have tips for Zi Xiao's avatar frame challenge? I'm still trying to figure out what rarity of scrolls is the most reliable to commit to, and what to build around. I tried building around the cards and his secondary which worked okay, but is there a better build to go for?
carmine ermine
Normal or Rare quality scrolls. Cards.
stable nova
Would trying on reincarnation 1 be good to use some of the spiritual blessings like Variable Scrolls or would that not be worth it?
carmine ermine
Absolutely would be worth it.
earnest minnow
Anyone have tips for Zi Xiao's avatar frame challenge? I'm still trying to figur...
Cards is the way to go
Ignore most scrolls, just go asc relate to 2nd move
earnest minnow
Would trying on reincarnation 1 be good to use some of the spiritual blessings l...
I don't think it would help...in my thought it is
dense osprey
how does lucky shot chance above 100% work? like, if I have 4x critx with 200% lucky shot I deal 8x crit or 16x?
earnest minnow
how does lucky shot chance above 100% work? like, if I have 4x critx with 200% l...
It's amplified your damage
dense osprey
yea, but in a multiplicative manner, or additive
so would the critx multiply with every 100% lucky shot, or add
so, 8x or 16x
earnest minnow
Not sure...it's more of add
earnest minnow
Not sure for me, maybe alot of guys who'll gave ya the better answer
earnest minnow
I found a reasonable luck scroll and wasnt sure if I wanted to take it
You do not want that
Unless it's Enhance
carmine ermine
how does lucky shot chance above 100% work? like, if I have 4x critx with 200% l...
Neither. It's x12.
earnest minnow
Cap at 150% is not worth for the 80% cause most characters have Asc that will increase Lucky shot
dense osprey
Im running the 3rd character, the bird, so I have some nice crit chance already
dense osprey
Neither. It's x12.
??
carmine ermine
1 * 4 * 3 = 12
earnest minnow
Neither. It's x12.
Huh, nice
dense osprey
why 3?
carmine ermine
200% Lucky shot chance is 2.
1 is base.
1 + 2 = 3
earnest minnow
No wonder i've got red damage as soon as i've reach 180% for some reason
I'm chillin in the vc...just sayin
dense osprey
200% Lucky shot chance is 2.
1 is base.
1 + 2 = 3
what do you mean, 200% lucky shot chance would mean you get 2 crit procs, so if you do 100 damage and 2 crit procs at 4x it should be either 800 or 1600 damage?
earnest minnow
That's...sound...so wrong...
carmine ermine
Lucky Shot Chance isn't crit.
Crits are guaranteed when you hit a weak spot. Lucky Shot Chance is random chance for a damage multiplier.
topaz aspen
Cap at 150% is not worth for the 80% cause most characters have Asc that will in...
yee you only need that scroll early game
late game it is a hindrance :)
dense osprey
lucky shot just adds a flat multiplier? like, 100% is 2x damage, 300% is 4x, ect.
earnest minnow
yee you only need that scroll early game
late game it is a hindrance :)
Yep
dense osprey
I'm chillin in the vc...just sayin
just finished my run, you mind if I join you guys? not sure how long youll be but i can wait
earnest minnow
The room is full...sadly
dense osprey
I also played on xbox and just got it because it was on sale, if you think you will enjoy the game it is worth it I would say, matchmaking doesnt have any issues I've noticed
dense osprey
The room is full...sadly
ahh okay
earnest minnow
Oh wait it's missing 1 slot again
dense osprey
oh alright haha
fresh breach
I also played on xbox and just got it because it was on sale, if you think you w...
Well if player count is good and updates are often then i dont mind
on xbox there was to much glitches
dense osprey
Well if player count is good and updates are often then i dont mind
Im not sure how large the player count is
but I havent had many issues finding a lobby since yesterday
fresh breach
well if finding lobby is no longer then 20-30 seconds
then good
on xbox i was even waiting 5-8 minutes....
topaz aspen
gunfire is being silly
gave me extravagant consumption AND Dual edge IN THE SAME VAULT IN LONGLING
(Legend drop from elite then legend in chest)
tulip steppe
gave me extravagant consumption AND Dual edge IN THE SAME VAULT IN LONGLING
Acient timer and Magic Watch in a vault as bunny 
spice forum
*as Li
topaz aspen
Acient timer and Magic Watch in a vault as bunny <:Tao_R:950783781101518888> <:T...
I am playing bnu rn
got magic watch
wanna get it enhanced with thunder mastery vibing at 3 
thin epoch
Wait, I don't need to grind this wacky season thingy for the season skin
Good, I don't really like how cheat-y it feels right now
tulip steppe
wouldn't call it a grind, buet yeah
thin epoch
Isn't one of the missions to finish R9 with various perks? I forgot their title
The thing you choose at the beginning of every act
tulip steppe
there are 50 challanges and 40 needs to be done to finish the pass
if i remmeber correctly
thin epoch
I don't play multiplayer so a couple of those are out
Something like 5 or 6? I really don't remember too lmao
tulip steppe
fair, played 3 games witha friend and finished the day it came out
i don't remember much about it now
thin epoch
Also I'm bad
thin epoch
You're missing the part I said I'm bad tho
I finished R9 with two characters, can't really be bothered to go through that with say...... bird
spice forum
and you dont need reincarnation
You can approach it ultra casual dif level
just that higher difficulty allows some goals to be achieved without too much struggle
Example: Win a game with 3 different characters
Do it on normal
fresh breach
i buyed game moment ago
i am hitting 300-400 fps with max settings but
game feels like 50-60 fps
kinda weird
polar spindle
how are you supposed to do this Challenge? I can barely reach 1/2 the amount xD
versed fox
Boundless
versed fox
reincarnation modifier
If you have reincarnation unlocked from beating nightmare, you can use it
polar spindle
only have reincarnation 1
carmine ermine
That's all you need.
polar spindle
is lvl50 weapon also viable in boundless?
versed fox
Yes
carmine ermine
Pretty much everything is viable in boundless.
Except having to play different heroes, or do multiplayer stuff.
fresh breach
Aha
polar spindle
What's the easiest way to get this one?
carmine ermine
- Play Reincarnation difficulty.
- Enable Lone Wolf and pick Battle Scarred.
- Choose either Tiger or Fox.
- Buy Ultimate Gambler.
- Reroll ascensions until you get Voltaic Aegis or Flame Talisman.
- Wait a few seconds/burn a few enemies. Don't get hit.
- Wait 100 seconds.
polar spindle
any reason why Tiger or Fox?
carmine ermine
Voltaic Aegis or Flame Talisman.
fresh breach
why looking for players take so long...
stable nova
Man am I doing something wrong or is Zi Xiao just not good? I've been trying the past several days to get his avatar frame, I've had several runs where I have darn near perfect ascension builds, surprisingly good scroll synergy even with the rarity restriction, and even good weapon loadouts and my damage is still AWFUL
stable nova
the owl
stiff comet
Reincarnation 9 or nightmare?
I ask cause they are essentially different games entirely
stable nova
I've been able to consistently get tier 2 card storm and under control, at least tier 2 card printer, basically getting to where I get infinite cards without ever needing to use secondary, i've even had the crit stacking scroll that basically gives me permanent +500% skill dmg when paired with improved clip, and my smgs still outdamage my cards by a long shot, and they're not even doing that much damage to begin with
I've been doing nightmare since it feels more luck based and the added difficulty doesn't seem to be worth the extra benefits of reincarnation
stiff comet
Reincarnation 1-7 are probably easier than nightmare honestly half the time
stable nova
And again I've been getting really good stuff that for any other character would be an instant win but not for this apparently
what about reincarnation makes it easier?
stiff comet
Both you and the enemies do more damage
You kill things faster on reincarnation 1-8 than on nightmare most of the time
Spirit blessing are a massive part
On single player is downright unbalanced and boringly easy 😦
You wanna have some fun on him do your card build with the spirit blessing “explosive deck”
On reincarnation whatever
Reroll the first room and if you don’t get it within X amount or rerolls just restart the lobby
Don’t be afraid or reincarnation. It will help guide you make builds based on spirit blessing and help learn the game
The game is allllot about knowledge so have fun exploring that aspect. But I’ll warn you. If you know too much the game will get too easy
dont forget to upgrade the best scrolls
carmine ermine
I've been able to consistently get tier 2 card storm and under control, at least...
• Card Storm
• Card Printer
• Under Control
No Perfect Deck, the literal "increase card damage" ascension?
Also Reincarnation makes skills way, WAY more powerful because most of the high power blessings are for skills specifically.
earnest minnow
glossy cedar
Hey guys new player here learning the game
Could i get some recommendation on good Youtubers to soak up all the info from?
carmine ermine
SlightRNG has a bunch of videos on various builds and playstyles.
However most the stuff would be outdated compared to today.
glossy cedar
not many active yt'bers now huh
carmine ermine
Nope.
silver drift
gorgeous
earnest minnow
Faqing whyyyyyyyyyyy
hasty cape
not many active yt'bers now huh
Yeah well the fast paced quick fix style content is ruining the attention span of the viewers
Long form content is only a small group of all the people on the platform, so less and less people watching the sort of normal content the less the YTers are encouraged to do it
Now it'll never fully dissappear, it just won't be as popular
silver drift
fuck
hasty cape
Oh no
trim swan
Man am I doing something wrong or is Zi Xiao just not good? I've been trying the...
what quality scrolls are you doing?
you only need to do one type of quality scroll and nothing else, and if you're going for reincarnation then pick explosive hand at the beginning
trim swan
I've been able to consistently get tier 2 card storm and under control, at least...
and are you getting perfect deck ascensions? that's usually his most broken build for casual runs
I know it's late but here's my recommendation if you're still having trouble
go to reincarnation 1 and pick "Explosive Hand" for the blessing
try to only pick up rare scrolls, they're more common than legendary and still output good damage numbers
cursed scrolls count as a different rarity so it'll ruin the run, this goes for every scroll other than rare
for ascensions, try going for "Perfect Deck", "Under Control" and "Card Printer", with "Lucky Day" and "Card Storm" as backups
glossy cedar
Just unlocked reincarnation
which one of these do i select?
trim swan
all of them if you want to be silly
trim swan
you can store weapons in there to use in different runs
glossy cedar
all of them if you want to be silly
okay after reading the wiki
something like this should be good to learn the game right?
then once im comfy in r8+ i can turn all of them on for extra chaos right?
trim swan
yeah
glossy cedar
ty good sir
trim swan
yw 
glossy cedar
One more question, after the 3rd stage when it splits into the 4th stage or go home. if im just trying to unlock the reincarnation level do i need to do trhe 4th level?
spice forum
Nope
glossy cedar
o pog ty
spice forum
if you go to 4th act and die thats a loss
End in act 3 : win
Act 4 is (mostly) optional
for Bound/Endless not
fresh breach
is game crossplaying pc mobile
topaz aspen
is game crossplaying pc mobile
no
fresh breach
Ohhh
glossy cedar
boundless dream vs endless journey
whats the diff?
carmine ermine
#gunfire-faq message
glossy cedar
In super deep endless run on explosive owl build
should i go Elemental Gemini or Crit Gemini?
dont have Pain Killer or armed caster rn
carmine ermine
Elemental. More hits, more damage caps.
glossy cedar
ty sir!
glossy cedar
Elemental. More hits, more damage caps.
Sorry for noob questions but this is fhte 1st time i got into r9 and im trying to push as far as i can
for these endless run,
do i still need to get to the end of the boss map and go back to inn?
or does it auto complete once youve beated the final boss and started the loop and once you go down
topaz aspen
Sorry for noob questions but this is fhte 1st time i got into r9 and im trying t...
Are you in endless yet or setting up?
topaz aspen
I see
glossy cedar
guessing i have to finish the boss and go back to inn to count as complete?
topaz aspen
so i can just push as faaaaaaaaaaaaar as i can go
If you can keep up with the timer that is :)
Or unless you on boundless?
glossy cedar
current stage
should i keep battle scarred? i am using the Spirit Feline shjeld tank build
idunno if battle scarred is useful now cause im walking around with -313 dmg reduction
topaz aspen
current stage
should i keep battle scarred? i am using the Spirit Feline shjeld...
yeah you dont need battle scarred at this point tbh
silver drift
steam 1 wont work ;w;
yes because member limit
also
it's normal to oneshot the boss before it even appears
right
on r1
spice forum
you know
Not as if there is a massive Sign st the name
but hi there
To clear up the member limit:
Thats not from us, Discord has ,without saying it, a limit of 1k people per forum post
devout viper
Is there any reason to play the bows over other weapons?
New to the game, did like 3-4 runs so far up to elite and the bows, golden bow specifically, just seem quite weak/useless compared to other guns
spice forum
Golden Bow suffers big time
The other can do work with right inscriptions but many other snipers just outperform
somber summit
PF Enters the chat (only if you play monke its S++++++++ tier otherwise its average)
gilded hedge
is this worth the cursed scroll? *timesensitive, please help
*i was thinking the crimson but if its a good idea on the venom then sure
topaz aspen
is this worth the cursed scroll? *timesensitive, please help
firescale
gilded hedge
firescale
is it worth it though
my dmg is fine atm, a bit overkill but if it'll help throttle me
i dont have talisman
topaz aspen
is it worth it though
honestly up to you :)
most cursed scrolls dont really mess you up anyway!
gilded hedge
ill join general vc, ill take it cuz why not
hopefully i dont get crippling high shop prices or sumfin
:o
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FUCK
meh
it replaced what i wanted it to
this is a downright nasty dog build
the cursed scroll sucks ass but its meh
ill live
..maybe
gilded hedge
this build is downright nasty
polar spindle
When is the end of the Season?
spice forum
Either End of April or May
( 5 to 8 weeks at last announcement)
And you can then buy the remaining stuff
also just 4 more
thats kinda easy
the 40 needed are 100% solo doable
polar spindle
is a Tone of Damage Challange faster to do in Coop? or is it for me only?
it takes forever xD
topaz aspen
Try utilising thunder step :)
teal basin
is the -40% weapon dmg, fire 3 grenades with less AoE inscription on the justice a good one
topaz aspen
is the -40% weapon dmg, fire 3 grenades with less AoE inscription on the justice...
yes
deft venture
Guys trying lone wolf for the first time, which free blessing is recommended from it? Playing rabbit
carmine ermine
Overconsumption is the generalist "no brainer" pick.
deft venture
Thank you
topaz aspen
Guys trying lone wolf for the first time, which free blessing is recommended fro...
Overconsumption is good for non endless/boundless runs
if you go for endless or boundless in the future, take copycat
deft venture
Overconsumption is good for non endless/boundless runs
if you go for endless or ...
Thank you, trying to clear R4, took overconsumption and limiting the amount of scrolls I take
Actually I have one question about this blessing
Will the arcane jades be considered for the buff reduction?
topaz aspen
Will the arcane jades be considered for the buff reduction?
nah it is just for the scrolls :)
deft venture
Awesome, thank you
topaz aspen
jades aren't scrolls, therefore overconsumption isnt reduced
yeeee if you go for boundless or endless in the future, your best bet is to take copycat as your lone wolf :)
deft venture
Ya I got confused because they are given as an option in vaults along with scrolls
topaz aspen
yeee they appear in the chests too
deft venture
yeeee if you go for boundless or endless in the future, your best bet is to take...
Will take that for endless next time
hasty cape
Guys trying lone wolf for the first time, which free blessing is recommended fro...
Copy cat is super fun
deft venture
Thank you
polar spindle
does this mean elite shouldn't unfreeze at all, between uses of the orb?
topaz aspen
does this mean elite shouldn't unfreeze at all, between uses of the orb?
yeeee so keep the elite frozen for at least 10 seconds in a row, you can use multiple orbs :)
carmine ermine
#roadmap
earnest minnow
Me want DLC 
spice forum
Me want DLC <a:catpet:754821528821956689>
then go to a doctor
|| you need to be patient ||
tacit pine
Me want DLC <a:catpet:754821528821956689>
Very very patient
earnest minnow
amber flicker
whats the most broken weapon build?
carmine ermine
"Yes."
amber flicker
ayt
crimson burrow
this is wack ylmao.
I just tried bizzare and lasted for 2 hours. op thunder strike can't last as long.
Are there HUGE differences between the reincarnations?
carmine ermine
Keep in mind the huge difference between 1-8 and 9 is pretty much limited to "enemy attacks are worse" and "shooting their shield does nothing".
The former is near-meaningless once you've got any build set up, and the latter will make you cry tears of frustration because they don't stop blocking.
topaz aspen
Are there HUGE differences between the reincarnations?
1-8 increases enemies overall stats
9 I think doesnt but gives them new things to their AI
carmine ermine
1-8 increases enemies overall stats
Actually 1-7 does that. 8 adds more challenge event variety and more challenge events per act.
topaz aspen
I thought 8 also increased stats
carmine ermine
Nah.
carmine ermine
Basically similar effect as 9, but appears less frequently.
topaz aspen
fair enough
carmine ermine
AKA "Enemies get a buff that is meaningless when you have a build" and "Goddamn those fucking shields why do I keep getting that challenge event".
topaz aspen
If they were to make a Reincarnation 10, they have to make it seriously brutal
but I dont think that will happen lol
carmine ermine
Reincarnation 10 will fix what 8 and 9 did.
Nothing, because higher difficulties aren't the problem.
Realistically the most R10 would be able to achieve is either making act 1 harder, or making non-meta builds useless.
topaz aspen
pretty much
I dont think Reincarnation will be a reality unless they seriously limit what the player has ig
deft venture
Guys what's the best build for turtle in reincarnation? Just unlocked all his talents finally and want to give him a spin
tired berry
did they make the game easier? I havent played for 2 years came back and my first try on elite I got sub 25 minutes.
I was wondering just what has happened to the meta/balance of the game :<
versed fox
did they make the game easier? I havent played for 2 years came back and my firs...
Yes
topaz aspen
Anyone wanna play R9 ?
try the looking for group section if you havent already ❤️
timid orbit
Could you direct me to that channel cuz i couldn't find it :/ thanks for the advice though ^^
topaz aspen
Could you direct me to that channel cuz i couldn't find it :/ thanks for the adv...
#lfg-global
there you go!
if they dont show up try the browse channels feature!
timid orbit
Thank you !
topaz aspen
you are welcome <3
earnest minnow
Shotgun Demonlore?
earnest minnow
If they were to make a Reincarnation 10, they have to make it seriously brutal
R10 have to make it unfairly hard tho
carmine ermine
Technically it wouldn't have to be. It's one way to add it, but just like any other way, it'll also intensify various problems.
earnest minnow
Kinda like R9 but on steroids where you encounter the Elites more often(which i think it's kinda bad since people can abuse the Elite Assasins)
Or make matter worse, make Lantern explode even further...
earnest minnow
Technically it wouldn't have to be. It's one way to add it, but just like any ot...
Kinda get that, R9 already add too much, can't really imagine what could go further
carmine ermine
It's not that they've added too much difficulty. It's that adding more difficulty won't solve anything, and if it does, more problems are created.
Because difficulty isn't the problem in the first place.
crimson burrow
so this is like my first roguelike, so endgame issues aren't new to me.
I come from stuff like destiny 2 where the biggest issue are bullet sponges in their endgame activities (Grandmaster nightfalls) or difficult mechanics made impossible due to enemy mechanics. (Master Raids).
But I question what will stop people from just "winning" when you can infinitely keep going.
Like what's the problem if it isn't enemy health?
earnest minnow
More so boredom
Since most of them aren't a threat nor you have to be caution to them
crimson burrow
taking away from players could be pretty wacky
spice forum
Suggested that a couple times
with rising stage count slowly shave away player dmg resistance , dmg down etc
to it becomes a race for how long you can outrun and live with the debuffs
Maybe add every X extra true dmg taken to attacks and such
topaz aspen
The elemental effect chance:
sonic wing
1-8 to 9 yes
I thought 8-9 where the only ones that didnt really change
1-7 changes through increase in difficulty
8 doesnt increase
And neither does 9
They are both the same difficulty as 7
carmine ermine
8 and 9 add extra effects.
sonic wing
R10 have to make it unfairly hard tho
Honestly r9 is way to easy
We need to have a difficulty that adds some challenge
carmine ermine
That's a player scaling problem, not a difficulty problem.
sonic wing
8 and 9 add extra effects.
I honestly didnt know that there was a difference
carmine ermine
R9 even gives you a little button that tells you the changes.
sonic wing
That's a player scaling problem, not a difficulty problem.
I just think that there needs to be something that makes the game harder, atleast something more skill based than luck or strategy based
carmine ermine
So do I, but casual players will rage against it, and devs will listen (if they even do it at all).
sonic wing
Cus im at stage 150 boundless dream on r9 and the dmg endgame just scale infinitely, all enemies are 1 shot at this point and it is just a soul grinding game
Like at r9 once you hit endless you are invincible and do max dmg
I would like to see a dynamic that makes boundless dream scale with the players character, the slight increase every stage aint doing it
It is almost like the player gets like a 2x increase in dmg but the difficulty only gets a 1.05x increase
carmine ermine
Yep, that's the player scaling problem.
Player bonuses you find are so good they beat anything the enemies get.
The more you get, the easier the game becomes.
sonic wing
Yeah, but i believe that can be fixed by scaling the enemies
Because they stop making the game any more difficult past a certain point
carmine ermine
That'll either not fix the problem because it doesn't scale enough, introduce a new problem where you're required to use the best stuff or you're completely worthless, or both.
The problem isn't the difficulty of enemies. It's the easy benefits of players.
sonic wing
Yeah
I feel like maybe it would be nicer so get more benefits earlier on, but i think the game mechanic is already good for early game, but decreasing the spawn chance of vaults later game could be a possible fix
carmine ermine
Reducing vault spawns in later acts would help, but nowhere near enough.
You get slightly less stuff, but the stuff is still too powerful.
It would also piss off casual players, so the devs wouldn't do that.
sonic wing
I mean a simple 100*.95^x system for the spawn chance of vaults would not effect cas players too much and scales alot later game
I mean by the end of the game there is still a 48% chance for a vault
An exponential decay would work perfectly for it
carmine ermine
Doesn't matter. Would still piss people off.
sonic wing
Or maybe no decay at all early game but a hard decay going into boundless
It makes the game more skill based
carmine ermine
One time a DLC hero that was known to be OP got their best build nerfed by up to -16% total damage. They could still wipe the floor with everything.
But that didn't matter. The backlash was so great that in a later update the devs gave the same OP hero 4 buffs as an apology.
sonic wing
Li?
carmine ermine
Yep.
sonic wing
Yeah she is just way to easy
I played with tao most of the time then switched to li and noticed how broken she was
Especially if you got a good combo
carmine ermine
She's broken because casual players want her to be broken.
And devs allow it to happen.
sonic wing
funny thing about li though is that she falls off late game
carmine ermine
Only through technical limitations.
If there was no damage cap, she wouldn't fall off.
sonic wing
People playing tao just spike in dmg once you start to get to boundless dream like 10
sonic wing
If there was no damage cap, she wouldn't fall off.
The problem isnt really dmg cap with her
None of her abilities scale with weapons/Rof and her abilities are slow to hit
carmine ermine
RoF and slow hits only matter because of the damage cap.
Because it's the easiest way to effectively do more damage despite the cap.
sonic wing
Yeah
carmine ermine
If there was no cap, she would still be one-shotting everything no matter how much health they had.
sonic wing
I mean funnily enough weapons are the way to go end game with dmg cap not only because of rof, but because weapons have more ways to bypass the smg cap
My highest dmg delt with tao is still higher than the 130m dmg in one shot i got with li
carmine ermine
Yes.
crimson burrow
idk i was running around with -800% dmg resistance at stage 50 reincarnation 2. lmao
sonic wing
idk i was running around with -800% dmg resistance at stage 50 reincarnation 2. ...
i just thought i would share this gem from earlier in my run
look at my resistance lmao
trim swan
look at my resistance lmao
I wonder how much damage you'll receive if you decided to get hit
sonic wing
probably around 10-20k
but spirit feline go brr
i just accidentally reset my dual edge stacks-
stable peak
does anyone experience losing scrolls in boundless dream? I swear I had the choose all options from mysterious chest, and now its gone (loaded my game on stage 36)
dire flint
New PB on R9 Lone 4 and all vaults. Can't wait for new content though.
sonic wing
New PB on R9 Lone 4 and all vaults. Can't wait for new content though.
niceeeee
stable nova
Nona fire mode/secondary build definitely feels like the play for the speedrun achievements
didn't even have super great ascensions and was just walking through each room
stable nova
yup i was right lol, nightmare also done with only decent ascensions
carmine ermine
Thank the fact that DLC heroes are OP and the game has become easier overall over time.
vital axle
just started playing the game again, whats the best Bizzare dream options to try first?
carmine ermine
Everything except Mysterious Jokul and Transcendent Arsenal.
dire jolt
Everything except Mysterious Jokul and Transcendent Arsenal.
this... cus when people run with Transcendent arsenal ON, i just pull out my op shit and outclass literally everyone. :v and then i get bored lol..
but with it off theres actuall rng into play again and the game feels great! :D
carmine ermine
Actually I added Transcendent Arsenal to the ignore list because it adds challenge events and removes chests while the benefit is near useless without going endless.
dire flint
I select everything but that. You don't need the stored weapons anyways
gentle prairie
ok so, oddly specific question: is there a difference between endless journey and boundless dream?
(in reincarnation mode)
carmine ermine
ok so, oddly specific question: is there a difference between endless journey an...
#gunfire-faq message
fresh breach
Do we gonna get free dlc on april fools day? 😳
trim swan
https://tenor.com/view/excalibur-fool-soul-eater-soul-eater-gif-10780727
Excalibur from Soul Eater
spice forum
*||Fire Force||
gentle prairie
god i hate doing the first stage on reincarnation 9
like
why does it feel like i die to so many bs grenadiers?
versed fox
its the hardest part of the run
carmine ermine
^
hasty cape
Best*
carmine ermine
It's actually how difficult the difficulty is supposed to be.
Y'know, before you get to powercreep over the enemies.
hasty cape
Y'know, before you get to powercreep over the enemies.
I think that's fine
Tho it doesn't feel all that earned at times
carmine ermine
It's really not fine.
Why would they add hard difficulties, but only make 1 act actually hard?
Additionally, why would they make the rest of the acts some of the easiest in the game, but attach it to the hard difficulties?
By no means is that logical game design.
hasty cape
Then what is logical game design?
hasty cape
I'm sure with fantastic feedback like that they'll surely get to the bottom of the issue
carmine ermine
I've had significantly more detailed feedback elsewhere. You're not the first person I've explained it to, and definitely won't be the last.
That's just the summary.
If hard difficulty exists, make it hard. Not hard then easier then so easy you wonder if it's even a game at all.
teal basin
can the training master appear in hyperborean jokul?
gentle prairie
tbh i never got why nightmare was so much harder
carmine ermine
Because they threw buff after buff after buff at Reincarnation.
Stronger blessings, new Bizarre Dreams (almost exclusively to make the game easier), blessing buffs, and the latest being the Seasonal Events with Arcane Ascensions.
All to most likely pander to people who complained the hardest difficulty... was hard.
teal basin
what if they add a hardcore mode that disables all that kind of stuff
no arcane ascension, no spiritual blessings, and disable drops for some of the super broken scrolls
so R9, but with the normal mode ruleset
no bizarre dream
only 1 down per player maximum
maybe 2
carmine ermine
You can do most of that already with self-imposed challenges.
Though the game adding a mode that enforces those challenges would help give it meaning because it's actually intended. However I'd imagine it would get backlashed into oblivion just like everything else that was added for difficulty sake.
And then with that backlash, it would get nerfed so it's not a challenge anymore.
teal basin
id enjoy a gamemode like that
fresh breach
which dlc u recommend getting first? 🤔
topaz aspen
which dlc u recommend getting first? 🤔
probably the first one, but they are both equally as worth getting :)
gentle prairie
Also, speaking of seasonal augments:
is it just me, or is the elemenetal busrt one the only good one?
the lightning one is...fine? on monke its abit iffy, but
the thorns one is straight ass imo
spice forum
You got it backwards with the first two
Lightning is the strongest on any
the Arcana upgrade for it
Stores all Lightning dmg dealt as Bonus dmg that isnt affected by the dmg cap
meaning from dashing , lightning weapons it stores that dmg and then on Primary unleashes that
topaz aspen
Also, speaking of seasonal augments:
is it just me, or is the elemenetal busrt ...
Thunder step is better than the other 2 by a long shot
As you can quite literally deal unlimited volumes of damages since it is true damage
gentle prairie
tbh i find its good now ive got the chargeup reduction
monke go brrt
i just prefer the elemental pulse cuz having like
tons of elem procs is dopamine
spice forum
I get that
but imagine being a perma dashing thunderstorm on legs that can one shot bosses with just a single orb
gentle prairie
can we at least agree thorns is pure ass, though?
...also i think i might try the owl next
they look fun
just gotta unlock their hero augments
#gunfire-faq message
...also this shit still confusing
spice forum
Why
spice forum
it boosts the bonus stats from the Talent Tree
And you also get the bonus of the off hand weapon ( if it is a different type)
Do you read what you buy in the Talent tree ?
spice forum
Sounds a bit sassy
gentle prairie
i thought it was refering to asencions!
gentle prairie
tbh i forgor those existed cuz ive had em maxed for ages
spice forum
Assaulter , Generalist , Breacher Talents
gentle prairie
which of the starting spiritual remnants is the best?
i find myself runing ultimate weapon or the extra damage reduction one alot
(when im solo and i get the free one)
topaz aspen
(when im solo and i get the free one)
Lone Wolf one you should take Copycat :)
gentle prairie
Also, when total eradication says "TOTAL hp" does it mean current HP, or max?
carmine ermine
Neither. It means "HP + Shield/Armor".
gentle prairie
is that good?
carmine ermine
Yes and no.
Yes because you don't have to get through their entire Shield/Armor and hit HP for it to start doing anything.
No if you had stuff which bypasses Shield/Armor and hits HP directly, because Shield/Armor is still taken into consideration.
topaz aspen
i mean...still more damage
still considering the pros and cons, Total Eradication is a good choice for Xing Zhe and for Ascension Fusion :)
gentle prairie
is xing monke?
spice forum
yes
gentle prairie
ah oki
why exactly is it good on monke specifically?
like
i main him but i just see "moar damage. gud"
carmine ermine
still considering the pros and cons, Total Eradication is a good choice for Xing...
Once you get to one-shot or damage cap levels of power it becomes useless though, unless you get level 3.
Can't injure an enemy for bonus damage if they're already dead.
topaz aspen
Tuesday night mood rn
listening to what is love on repeat on my 1000+ no paranormality run rn
gentle prairie
so endless journey is basically "speedrun mode"
topaz aspen
so endless journey is basically "speedrun mode"
yeah
that and it is significantly harder in terms of scaling
and you are limited on what you can have, such as scroll amount (60 non cursed respectively), ascensions (during endless you have the amount you have) and Arcane Jades (same as ascension, but you cannot change any)
gentle prairie
ye
teal basin
can i stack the corrosion effect on enemies?
carmine ermine
No.
teal basin
ty
gentle prairie
Just to ask, which characters have Armor vs which have shield?
and is there a difference between them?
spice forum
One
one has armor
and the difference is that armor doesnt regen passively on its own and has different defensive properties
Shield weak against lightning
armor weak against corrosive
gentle prairie
and the one that has it is...birb iirc
spice forum
yes
gentle prairie
so if it doesn't regen on its own, does that mean birb's screwed if it gets broken once?
gentle prairie
oooh
carmine ermine
Personally it's an unfortunate waste of opportunity to have exactly 1 hero with Armor.
gentle prairie
we may get a new one later!
carmine ermine
So far that has yet to come to fruition with both DLCs.
And given how all 4 DLC heroes so far have been more focused on the intriguing aspects of killing everything instead of defending themselves, I'm not expecting much to change.
gentle prairie
So, i'm going for owl's challenge
where you gotta only pick up scrolls of the same rarity
topaz aspen
hope you manage to do it!
gentle prairie
ye
tbh i think i kinda get owl's idea
Spam cards till you get triples on the aspects, then press E
gentle prairie
though, wierd question:
Arcane jades won't fail the challenge will they?
its JUST scrolls i gotta insure, right?
carmine ermine
tbh i think i kinda get owl's idea
Spam cards till you get triples on the aspec...
Ironically that mechanic of gaining aspects from using your secondary skill for use with your primary skill is... rather useless, unless you want the bleeding edge of optimization.
Its biggest use is for patching up Owl's miserable starting RNG, before you get all the scrolls, ascensions and stuff to optimize it into something you can near-guarantee.
gentle prairie
So how exactly does it actually work? Ik your chances scale up as you get more scrolls of a certain rarity
gentle prairie
Sorry bout the questions regarding owl, nmf he has a fuckin light novel for his ability descriptions
spice forum
Yeah he has the most text
and the chances do go up with scroll count but also your setting affects it in how it “boosts” the rarity of lower scrolls
and how many upgrade tokens you have
gentle prairie
setting??
spice forum
if you look into your inventory he has an extra setting
gentle prairie
where?
spice forum
spice forum
#1055548521861877781 message
spice forum
That just depends on what you have really
though most of his ascensions and blessing work best with the wildcard type
gentle prairie
so ig the scroll that gives you cursed scroll immunity is best>
spice forum
yes
gentle prairie
ye
gentle prairie
wait i just realised a problem with Xi Xiao's challenge.
you can only own scrolls of the same quality
wouldn't upgrade kinda...fuck with that?
wait
ooooh
so it just upgrades what the scrolls are CONSIDERED as
not what they actually ARE
versed fox
Upgrade just makes them count as a higher rarity for his rng
gentle prairie
yee
which rarity is best to go for for the challenge?
also, if im doing endless, will i get the challenge once i beat pole/gluttony?
or do i need to end to get it
gentle prairie
i mean, you can end a run anyway in endless iirc
just go into the portal after last boss
spice forum
Internally endless seems to mess with some achievements