Steam 2

[carmine ermine]

Yeah, you get a shot when pressing and releasing the fire button.

[shell patrol]

is that not considered as 2 shots in the rps calculation?

[carmine ermine]

That's how it goes BAM!BAM! when you only click once.

[carmine ermine]

It is not.

[shell patrol]

thats

[carmine ermine]

Pretty sure with a button that instantly releases, like the scroll wheel, you get both shots instantly.

[raw merlin]

you do

[shell patrol]

scary shit

[raw merlin]

tap firing just has it fires twice instantly

[shell patrol]

lemme get da dps calc for a max projectile wildhunt

ok what

there is no way that is

[raw merlin]

lemme guess, stupid damage

[shell patrol]

3 billion dps

[raw merlin]

good to know my gut feeling was right this time

[shell patrol]

there is NO FUCKING WAY

okay lemme do this again

[tulip steppe]

nvm, i recalled it as 1 additional hit with accumulated dmg (15m) cap

[raw merlin]

Wild Hunts greatest limiting factor was always the small magazine and the crazy low stability it suffers from

[rapid sun]

Hey guys; what is the Damage cap?

Because it looks like it's 7.5m

[tulip steppe]

10m by weapons default (30 by skills default)

[shell patrol]

at max projectile bonus (+25% generalist +20% armor breaker +30% multiple) it has 21 projectiles

+1 from elemental mag

because why not

x 9

[rapid sun]

Is that white damage?

[raw merlin]

with those two issues covered, it goes from situationally good but mostly bad, to solid, to utterly insane with high RoF

[shell patrol]

2970

[rapid sun]

What about yellow/orange

[shell patrol]

million

+22.5 from expl bullets

2992.5 million

thats not even on monkey

[tulip steppe]

luck does not move the cap

[rapid sun]

Strange

[shell patrol]

but

[rapid sun]

My friend can't go above 7.5m

[shell patrol]

this assumes wild hunt has elemental adv

[rapid sun]

Also what is causing me sometimes doing 1 damage?

Just occasionally

[shell patrol]

broken gun

the cursed scroll

[raw merlin]

either Broken Gun or a demonic aura

[rapid sun]

I didn't have any of that

[tulip steppe]

or the enemy is Armored

[rapid sun]

It just randomly does 1 damage

[shell patrol]

then its miasma

[rapid sun]

It happens most commonly with the SMG

[tulip steppe]

could be Point plank challagne

[shell patrol]

or miasma

miasma does 1 sometimes

[rapid sun]

What is Miasma

[shell patrol]

lightning + corrosion

[raw merlin]

Miasma does 1 if the enemy has Paranormality

[rapid sun]

I was playing the fire girl

And fire smg

So uh

I don't know

[shell patrol]

okay so

wild hunt stupidest dps in the game

wait lemme check for monkey

+60% from generalist, +20% from armor breaker, +30% from multiple

[raw merlin]

what difficulty are you playing

[rapid sun]

Rein 9

[shell patrol]

3560 million damage

per second

[rapid sun]

It happened sometimes in Nightmare

[shell patrol]

holy

fucking

shir

[rapid sun]

VERY rare in normal

[raw merlin]

then if it isn't Miasma DOT, then its either Broken Gun, or one of two Demonic Auras

[shell patrol]

i

[rapid sun]

I didn't have those scrolls though

[shell patrol]

guys

[rapid sun]

or the aura

It was as soon as the first room

[raw merlin]

the auras are not stuff you get

[shell patrol]

wild hunt has the highest dps in the game

[raw merlin]

they are room debuffs

[rapid sun]

Room debuff was just 100% revive time

[shell patrol]

a 4.5 projectile godroll angelic aura has

[rapid sun]

So that's why I ask

[shell patrol]

3.3ish billion dps

[raw merlin]

you mean +100% revive time?

[rapid sun]

That one

[raw merlin]

did the 1 damage icon have a blooddrop next to it?

[shell patrol]

wild hunt is WILDIN

[rapid sun]

Yes

[raw merlin]

then that's Miasma

on something with Paranormality

[shell patrol]

scary shit

[rapid sun]

uh

[shell patrol]

monkey wild hunt has

[rapid sun]

Nothing had paranormality though

[shell patrol]

3.560 billion dps

[raw merlin]

it doesn't say Paranormality, on enemies its called something different

[shell patrol]

armored enhanced attribute then

[storm haven]

miasma on armored enemies since they have 1 hp

[shell patrol]

@storm haven

[raw merlin]

armoured, yeah

[rapid sun]

None of them were armoured

[storm haven]

wazzup

[shell patrol]

porcupine wasnt rhe best shotgun after all...

wild hunt

[rapid sun]

The armoured ones acted normal

[shell patrol]

on monkey

[rapid sun]

no miasmas

[shell patrol]

has

3.5 billion dps

[storm haven]

huh

what about argus

[shell patrol]

not even close

[rapid sun]

So I am just asking because I don't know

[raw merlin]

literally nothing else could be causing that, you ruled out everything else

[shell patrol]

wild hunt has 9rps

[rapid sun]

That's why I came here to ask

[shell patrol]

its miasma

[raw merlin]

we answered

it. is. Miasma

[rapid sun]

But as you said it would be most common on Armoured enemies

But not once did it trigger on them

[shell patrol]

dude

[rapid sun]

It triggered on everything but them

[shell patrol]

its 1 dmg

and has a blood drop next to it

it. is. miasma.

[storm haven]

think if theres anything that will proc decay and lightning on your setup

[shell patrol]

don't like the answer? too bad

[rapid sun]

I'm not saying I don't like the answer

[shell patrol]

its the only possible answer

[rapid sun]

I'm just trying to learn what it is; but all of the methods you guys state are wrong

[storm haven]

who you playing as anyway

[raw merlin]

if you don't understand how it happenned, you missed something in your own set up

[rapid sun]

Fire girl

[shell patrol]

li

[raw merlin]

the fox

[shell patrol]

anyway

wild hunt is

concerning

hm

can you trigger all 3 conversion spiritual links?

on one weapon

[raw merlin]

if you don't have stability inscriptions on Wild Hunt, it's severely handicapped

[shell patrol]

fair enough

still fucking stupid

i love it

thats like

[raw merlin]

look at it this way

[shell patrol]

unarguably highest dps weapon in the game

[raw merlin]

you can't make it this viable unless you use Re9 resources

[shell patrol]

i mean yeah

we're talking about damage cap here

but yea porcupine is much better if not getting a godroll

still

big numbers i like

[storm haven]

may be a hassle but lemme see your scrolls, acensions and weps?

[rapid sun]

Have to reopen the game

[shell patrol]

@raw merlin do note the 3.5 billion dps calc is with explosive bullets and elemental magazine

elemental magazine is a free projectile

[rapid sun]

(The ring didn't trigger during that period)

[shell patrol]

then what did

[raw merlin]

you have Painkiller

You. Have. Painkiller

[shell patrol]

did a god sweep down from the sky and put miasma on em

[shell patrol]

no

that isnt painkiller

painkiller icon is that spun around 90 degrees

iirc

[rapid sun]

Miasma never happened this run

[raw merlin]

weapon elements then?

[rapid sun]

Fire

I was using this one exclusively

[storm haven]

thats weird

maybe its the arcane acensions pulses actin up

[shell patrol]

... it did

if you have painkiller and any element

then it did

[raw merlin]

they stated earlier that the pulses weren't active when the 1 damage happenned

[raw merlin]

also, double checked, you were right, that's not painkiller

[quick tree]

loooool +29

[rapid sun]

Uh no actually

Never saw a blood-drop

Just lightning symbol

[raw merlin]

...

[shell patrol]

well then you need to buy some glasses

because

painkillee

always

triggers

miasma

[rapid sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell patrol]

no exceptions

[rapid sun]

Never triggered to me

That's why I ask

[storm haven]

every copy of gunfire reborn is personalised

😳

honestly the first time i heard of this

[shell patrol]

every copy of gunfire is given to a person who needs to BUY SOME FUCKING GLASSES

[raw merlin]

that seems to be raging inferno, not painkiller

[storm haven]

yeah its raging

[shell patrol]

im talking about this azure

that IS painkiller

[rapid sun]

Not once miasma triggered that run

[shell patrol]

and he said it never happened on that run as well

[raw merlin]

...okay yeah no that's bunk

it is literally impossible for that to not happen with painkiller

[storm haven]

Sorry cant help ya out im at my wits end for this 😭

[shell patrol]

this guy is either straight up lying or needs to buy some glasses

[rapid sun]

I'm not lying

I'm just saying my experience

[shell patrol]

again

if you have painkiller

[raw merlin]

saying your experience is one thing

[shell patrol]

it is impossible to NOT trigger miasma

[storm haven]

miasma may not trigger cuz dual wielding thunder storm just 1 shots a whole room tbf

[raw merlin]

shutting down literally every possible explanation is another entirely

[rapid sun]

It took about 17 shots

To kill one enemy

and whatever those long god rays it spawns sometimes

[storm haven]

huh

[shell patrol]

shit i should try dual wielding

with something stupid

yo

@raw merlin i have an idea

[raw merlin]

dual wield frenzied sharks?

[shell patrol]

wild hunt dual wield

[storm haven]

thunder step + dual thunder storm can last you till 95% DR and then you are fucked

[raw merlin]

oh lol

[storm haven]

for endless

[shell patrol]

thats what they all say

:3

[rapid sun]

I could only last until 27% DR with those

[shell patrol]

whats stopping me from stage 300 endless with a justice

[raw merlin]

my default "dumb dual wield" loadout is double Big Hippo

[rapid sun]

Because they had WAY too much hp

[raw merlin]

a minigun in each hand

[shell patrol]

ok but you gotta admit

dual wield wild hunt

would be

stupid

[storm haven]

big hippo is so fun to use

[shell patrol]

like unfathomably

6 billion dps woo

[storm haven]

they should buff it so that it should explosive bullets please so i have a reason to use this besides feel good to hold m1 on it

[raw merlin]

the one on your off hand would be completely fixed to your arm, the other would probaly mess with your crosshair like crazy with how much you can spam

[shell patrol]

who cares

its funny as shit

[rapid sun]

Well if I decide to play more gunfire at a later date; I'll be recording

[raw merlin]

seriously, +80 stability makes it viable to use, but even that doesn't help counter relentless spam, your crosshair will get launched into the sky

[raw merlin]

but yes, that would indeed be hilarious

[shell patrol]

im gonna try it

[raw merlin]

add the boosted special ammo scroll and counterviolence to it too

[shell patrol]

should i get to like

stage 750

on my nona justice run

then abandon

its so boring and i wanna try something new

ill just save the run for latee tbh

[raw merlin]

idk, I'm sticking with my current Prince run until I roll a weapon with all three elemenetal ball inscriptions

[storm haven]

@ me i wanna see how it looks like

[shell patrol]

i dont run anythinf without counterviolence

[raw merlin]

good answer

[shell patrol]

counterviolence best blessinf ever

[raw merlin]

counterviolence is indeed the shit

[shell patrol]

the balls arent even that good

[storm haven]

counterviolence haters where you at

i just wanna talk

[shell patrol]

counterviolence haters when they see a sword:

[raw merlin]

they're not good, but its fun and funny to me

[rapid sun]

There we go

I have you pinned

so I'll know to message you

[storm haven]

thanks, heck yeah 🙏

[shell patrol]

"there are 450 retainers aiming at you"
my balls:

[rapid sun]

Is it really that hard to believe though?

Because this is my experience everytime with painkiller

[shell patrol]

incredibly, because it's impossible

[rapid sun]

It never triggered it

[storm haven]

is the best cat prince blessing in lone wolf counterviolence, elemental maestro, painkiller and smogbound?

[raw merlin]

you are talking in a server with people that have sunk tens of thousands of hours into this game

[rapid sun]

Gonna be honest; I only heard about miasma today

[rapid sun]

300 hours take it or leave it

👍

[storm haven]

no its not that i dont believe i just want to nail down whats causing it

[shell patrol]

when i run cat i run counterviolence in lone wolf then painkiller + occult booster + elemental maestro

in order

maestro fucks

maestro hatees mid af

imagine hating maestro

[raw merlin]

the possibility that they have never seen what you have seen is not 0%, but it is also infinitestimally unlikely

[rapid sun]

Considering a server called me a bad luck charm

Uh

Yes

[storm haven]

multiplicative 90% goes hard

[shell patrol]

0.E-3834

[shell patrol]

wait its multiplicative?

[storm haven]

its alright i got a talisman from my first chest we will be good

[shell patrol]

time to pull some

scary shit

[storm haven]

yep according to wiki

[shell patrol]

but first

[tulip steppe]

both the new cat blessings are

[shell patrol]

dog dual wild hunt

6 billion dps WOOO YEAHHH

[raw merlin]

I go Painkiller, Counterviolence, Elemental Maestro, and Smogbound Zone for lone wolf

[storm haven]

buff smogbound so that it binds grenaded enemies

[raw merlin]

because I love making the world into mustard gas

[shell patrol]

is smogbound zone that good

[rapid sun]

Uhm; could you actually try it?

And show me that it triggers with painkiller?

[shell patrol]

imo id take occult booster

[rapid sun]

Because I have a hard time believing it

[storm haven]

miasma?

[shell patrol]

occult booster is either the most broken shit fathomable or worthless

[tulip steppe]

thats what painkiller does

[storm haven]

alright i got 5 mins gimme awhile

[rapid sun]

I have never had miasma trigger with painkiller

And do 1 damage

[storm haven]

im running the easiest painkiller setup: cat and painkiller nade

[raw merlin]

its not the best, I just like turning the entire level into a neverending zone of mustard gas and plasma

[shell patrol]

you need to buy glasses

[shell patrol]

mood

but imo i like taking occult boostwe

[rapid sun]

I have had miasma trigger with painkiller; but never of it doing 1 damage

I should've started with that

[shell patrol]

thats

[rapid sun]

My bad

[shell patrol]

opposite of what you said

[rapid sun]

My bad

[shell patrol]

you said miasma never triggers on painkiller

anyway

[rapid sun]

[shell patrol]

dog dual wild hunt time

this is gonna be STUPID

buckle up fuckers

[raw merlin]

occult booster until i get everything i want, then smogbound

[shell patrol]

based

ok hot take time

whos the most broken character in gunfire

[storm haven]

wheres my obs output file i forgort

[shell patrol]

breh

@raw merlin just use prince elemental orb blessing

[storm haven]

@rapid sun

[raw merlin]

but what if I want balls when not playing prince

[shell patrol]

what a BALLSY opinion

[rapid sun]

Alright that looks right

[storm haven]

mb first time uploading obs footage to discord

[shell patrol]

but fair enough

[rapid sun]

But why would miasma do 1 damage?

[storm haven]

so the format i forgot to change

[shell patrol]

its based on hp

[storm haven]

miasma is bound to max hp

so if hp is 1

[shell patrol]

its less than 1

[rapid sun]

All of their hp was in the 100k

[shell patrol]

shield was

not hp

[rapid sun]

No

[raw merlin]

the red bar

not the blue or yellow ones

[rapid sun]

They had no 1's

Red HP was in the 100k's

[storm haven]

do you have interdependent fortunes

[shell patrol]

hm

[rapid sun]

What does that do again?

[shell patrol]

guys

[storm haven]

depending on the scrolls you pick enemies can get buffs or nerfs

[rapid sun]

Oh that one

Yeah no

[shell patrol]

do you think i can pull off stage 300 endless with prince and the bomb shotgun (justice)

[rapid sun]

I didn't get the chance to do that

[shell patrol]

my beloved

literally the Judge

[storm haven]

pick dash spam u gonna need it

[shell patrol]

btw i cooked up a second justice almost, it has +40% base dmg -50% accuracy instead of rof boost

[shell patrol]

ya sure?

why not elemental pulse

[storm haven]

dash is 100% hit rate

[raw merlin]

crowd control probably

[shell patrol]

idk

[storm haven]

and insatntaenous

[shell patrol]

dash lightning never popped off for me

[storm haven]

pulse has travel time and may not even hit a lone enemy

[shell patrol]

now the thunder dmg storage...

that might do stuff

[storm haven]

also giving yourself finger pain is fucking awesome i love mashing shift 4324 times in 1s to maximise my dps

[shell patrol]

but alr

thunder it is

[storm haven]

do all vaults and just take arcane jade every turn

[shell patrol]

until dash is slower than my movespeed 😭

yo guys i have a sick ass idea

[storm haven]

remember not to kill the octopus on accident thats gonna waste time

[shell patrol]

what about character that focuses on dodging n shit

and instead of dash has a double movement speed for 3s

or maybe primary skill

idk

[storm haven]

acension tree is around speed giving bonuses

god i hope this happen i just want bunny to rest

[shell patrol]

ok yeah i know, dash is normal but distance can be doubled through ascensions

[storm haven]

turtle has that kinda

[shell patrol]

not really doubled for turtle

OK YEAH I GOT IT

primary skill is vanish completely for like

5 seconds

[storm haven]

lvl 3 upgrade instead of doubling it squares it

1 dash gonna send you across an entire room

[shell patrol]

secondary is double movement speed for 3s

but capacity is max 4

base 1

[storm haven]

https://tenor.com/view/borderlands-zero-assassin-number-badass-gif-5453696

[shell patrol]

fr

[storm haven]

i vanish

[shell patrol]

zer0

oh yeah

he also should have jump ascensions

or double jump n shit by default and then height from ascensions

this game needs more verticality

like

[raw merlin]

Turtle really is moreso Melee range rather han melee weapons isn't he

[shell patrol]

the coolest shit is jumping off a cliff in jokul and raining hell on enemies with a 6 projectile justicr

[shell patrol]

yeah

OH YEAH

make the character im thinking off melee weapon focused

like, ascensions to increase melee movement speed n shit

could be silly

we dont have any real melee focused characters rn

[raw merlin]

invisibility and movement speed primary also makes you invisible to enemy aggro until it wears off or you attack

[shell patrol]

closest thing is bird but thats shotgund

[raw merlin]

letting you do ambush bonus damage

[shell patrol]

atm cat seems to be the most broken melee user

[shell patrol]

oh shit now im thinking

hitting enemies on the back deals crit damage through an ascension

[storm haven]

dark faced bandit btfo

[shell patrol]

also, something similiar to maybe Hang-Time Trick where hitting after a double jump has a chance to crit

tbh why does melee not have jump crits by default

[storm haven]

this gonna be a very huge patch

[shell patrol]

fuck

i have a bunch of writeups to do

first off i have a lot of ideas for balance

now this

[raw merlin]

in lower difficulties, a thing I like to do with tiger is try to clear a scene without the battle music ever starting

[shell patrol]

thats vile

[raw merlin]

aka the enemies never noticing anyone taking damage or dying

[storm haven]

make dmg cap 10 trillion and make bunny able to dual wield

[shell patrol]

no

worse

nerfs.

my beloved

[storm haven]

mods ban this guy

[shell patrol]

but some buffs as well yknow

[storm haven]

nerfs in gunfire??!?!?!?!

[shell patrol]

damage cap should be removed completely first off

like its just stupid at this point

its proven that massive damage does NOT crash the game

[storm haven]

just want some new balance patch at this point

and new scrolls

[shell patrol]

second off

nerf nona to shit

[raw merlin]

melee weapon focused character with the possibility of running an assassin build or frontline fighter build

[storm haven]

also remove gluttony and ship beucase i hate them totally no personal agenda here

[shell patrol]

lol

lmao

[shell patrol]

🔥

i would play the shit out of that

[storm haven]

more melee weps too?

like a dadao

[shell patrol]

scythe.

"I AM THE GRIM REAPER"

[raw merlin]

maybe make the assassin build a spiritual ascension thing because I feel like that would be difficult to work into the upgrade tree innately

[shell patrol]

yea

ok how bout something like

merciless combo

but increases rof

[raw merlin]

like, you can do that thing where the battle music never starts up because none of the enemies realize you're killing them

unless its a wave room

[shell patrol]

e.g. every hit (from a melee weapon) increases RoF and Movement Speed by 10% for 3s, up to 10 stacks

[storm haven]

Bunny mains be like

[shell patrol]

no

[storm haven]

[shell patrol]

from a melee weapon

[storm haven]

Oh

[shell patrol]

[raw merlin]

make the secondary skill throwing knives that you can upgrade to be able to teleport to the last one that you threw and stuck in somewhere ala FF15

[shell patrol]

no smgs for you fucmer

[shell patrol]

YES

[raw merlin]

give it a cooldown for the teleport obv

but like

[storm haven]

It’s ok bunny will still win somehow her kit is wild 😭

[raw merlin]

I wanna nope out of Elite Arsonist flamethrower range in style

[shell patrol]

When throwing knives, every 3rd knife will teleport you to it (CD: 5s base)

[storm haven]

this reminded me of zer0’s throwing knives where it applies every single element and applies a debuff where marked enemies take more dmg

[shell patrol]

when upgraded, 2s

as in, 3rd level ascension

[storm haven]

Hell yeah anything to fuck that guy over

[shell patrol]

ok even better

what should knife capacity be

6?

[raw merlin]

7? to give you a spare self defense throw if you're priming for a teleport

[shell patrol]

or 3, up to 9

[shell patrol]

fair

[raw merlin]

ooh, here's an idea

as part of the assassin build spiritual blessing, make it so that when invisible, you can wield two melee weapons if you have them equipped

and if your damage is high enough to kill on the ambush, you get to dual wield swords for a while after

even after your last ambush success/fail

[shell patrol]

dual fire tower sounds

scary

like

you literally 3 shot bosses with it already

now oneshotting them..

[raw merlin]

might also want to have some way to close the distance amidst projectile spam

deflect bullets with sword maybe?

[shell patrol]

yo that sounds sick

but idk how it would work

maybe some sort of a sword shield?

[raw merlin]

might have to make it a sweetspot mechanic thing where if it isn't the "middle" that hits the projectile, you only mitigate the damage instead of deflect

[shell patrol]

true...

wait

[raw merlin]

moreso just, you can only do this with a sword

melee weapon

[shell patrol]

anyway

theres one really important thing about dash

it has to be based off movement speed.

atm you can get hifh enough speed that dash is slower

so make the speed/duration etc of dash based on speed

e.g. 200% movement speed = 200% dash speed, 150% dash distance and such

[raw merlin]

I feel like it'd be necessary to give such a character nerfs to using non-melee weapons in that case

[shell patrol]

yep

[raw merlin]

because then that could make it so you could cover half a scene with one dash

[shell patrol]

not really..

its not extremely easy to rack up such speeds tbh

[raw merlin]

thats assuming the third theoretical ascension tree doesn't make that possible

[shell patrol]

yo i have a shitty idea

what if

stealth ascension that reduces enemy visibility of you

[raw merlin]

like, reduced aggro range?

basically?

[shell patrol]

basically yeah

this could be p silly for snipers

[raw merlin]

also, I haven't double checked, is Bird still the only Armour pc?

[shell patrol]

yes

speaking of which

[raw merlin]

make this melee weapon pc armour instead of shield then

[shell patrol]

it should be armor ya

even better

[raw merlin]

high armour low hp?

Bird is kinda equal on both

[shell patrol]

"When armor is broken, release a ring of (lvl1: 3, lvl2: 5, lvl3: 7) knives around you, for each knive hit recover 2,3,5% armor

[raw merlin]

Assassin build reduces armour for more movement speed and maybe brief invuln period on dash

[shell patrol]

sounds good

[raw merlin]

Dodge or Die, you are squishy Meat

[shell patrol]

70 armor, 30 hp

• talent that increase armor by +10, hp by 20

anyway lets make a google doc or something for this

[raw merlin]

ascension that turns your dash into a lunging cleave once you do enough damage with melee weapons

like Birds primary ability, but no build in invincibility

[shell patrol]

no, thats turtle

how about "after a dash, if doing a melee hit within 1,2,4s, increase lucky shot chance by 50%,75%,100%"

[raw merlin]

the way I imagine it isn't damage on impact, but rather, everything around you gets hurt when you dash

direct impacting with the dash doesn't do damage

[shell patrol]

even better

"Smoking Dash"
"When dashing, release a cloud of smoke around you that incapacitates enemies for 1,2,3s, CD 5,4,3s"

[raw merlin]

like those cinematic Iaido sword draw scenes, where you see them flash to the other side, and everything they crossed just bifurcates

[shell patrol]

oh yeah

at level 3

have a 25% chance to double incapacitated time

what do you think

[raw merlin]

as in reduce the amount of time you can be down before dying?

or double the revive time

[shell patrol]

no, as in this

[raw merlin]

oooh

[shell patrol]

although that's a good idea

[raw merlin]

define incapacitate though

like, Manipulation but with no other enemies around not doing anything?

or just, insta kill chance

[shell patrol]

just standing there, with a 10% chance to lose aggro every second

[raw merlin]

ah, the former then

[shell patrol]

or even better

enemies stumble around the smoke shooting in random directions

[raw merlin]

maybe make it something exclusive to the assassin build?

[shell patrol]

sure, a blessing

[raw merlin]

like, have the Iaido dash charge be part of the frontline fighter build

...oh, we should probably take this to a doc now or smth

[shell patrol]

yea

def

gotta save all this

[raw merlin]

we're probably overdue being bonked XD

[shell patrol]

anyway lemme just roll my 2nd godroll justice and im gonna do a little dog trickery

@carmine ermine im listening

[carmine ermine]

Swift Throw
Upon using Dash, instantly launch a Throwing Knife forward (CD: 4/3/2s), dealing +0/25/50% Total DMG. Lv.3: The knife homes in on a nearby enemy.

[shell patrol]

hell yeah

so you do like the idea?

[raw merlin]

oooh

[shell patrol]

hmm what if the knives cause Bleed

[carmine ermine]

Enough that I throw in ideas.

[raw merlin]

I'm imagining that comboing with the teleport proc, and the mental image is so cool

[shell patrol]

bleed is super underused in this game

ok yeah what if we make this character themed around bleed? thatd be sick

i mean

its swords

why the hell do they not cause bleed anyway

and yes, i know the issue that this'd cause with paranormality interdep fortune and such

imo it should just be changed to -75% HP, double shield

or, lost HP converted to shield/armor

making enemies have 1hp is uh

a horrible idea

[carmine ermine]

I made a suggestion similar to that.

[raw merlin]

anti-magic bleed ascension

[carmine ermine]

As you can see, it was a very successful suggestion.

[raw merlin]

makes this characters bleed affect shield as well

and armour

[shell patrol]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LPs7P3jTHbdC--i2oIyILwACqDh6at8aBUL6zDKZScU/edit?usp=sharing

here

open da document and ill grant access

there

@raw merlin accept ma friend rq

[shell patrol]

how about the name being Sharp Lunge?

[shell obsidian]

I was literally experiencing that and it was annoying me and I ran out of time fighting 2 Gluttonies in a row... while trying to do the event mission

The main game had gluttony, then endless journey also had him appear a few zones later

[shell patrol]

well this is more or less done

[edgy lodge]

The Jokul is like, the 1 reason I hate the timer lol

If the Jokul awarded extra time then I'd actually enjoy endless more

And this isn't even asking for a nerf, this is just asking for more fun with endless, because the scaling on it is really fun

[carmine ermine]

Sounds like you're asking for a nerf!

Wish granted!

[edgy lodge]

That's literally the only thing in endless I ask
I mean, I don't care if it does because I honestly just play boundless more now ig

But it's just a thought I have, it's not a nerf, it's more a flaw in the game itself

[storm haven]

bro dont you love fighting ufos healing methed up monkeys!!!!

i love it i love it when they heal

[edgy lodge]

Yeah bro what am I saying? 😔 ✊

I love wasting the whole timer on those epic Elite stalkers

[storm haven]

25% chance gamble??? sign me up!!!!!!!

oh theres 2 of them now?

[edgy lodge]

Nah, my only like problem I have is that the timer needs to be a bit more fluent

[storm haven]

same here i dread jokul a lot

everytime i see tiger holding the mortar as my loading screen i die a bit inside

[edgy lodge]

Because longling tomb you can clear in 5 seconds and get the whole timer back
When Jokul is opposite in a worse way

[edgy lodge]

I die seeing that and the nona loading screen because the timer is going bye bye

[storm haven]

same here only time i hate seeing nona 😭

[edgy lodge]

If anything I'd rather Boundless R9 have the same scaling as endless, if anything I'm asking for a BUFF

[carmine ermine]

I heard the words "boundless" and "nerf".

Got it.

Boundless Dream DMG Resistance scaling has now been slowed down once again, and the cap reverted to 80%.

Also I vaguely recall something about timer hate, so now Boundless can be started immediately, and doing so gives you 5 Spiritual Blessings, 50 scrolls (75% chance to be enhanced), 30 ascensions, any 2 +150 level weapons you want, and a permanent +1000% Total DMG and -90% DMG Taken.

No, you cannot skip any of the blessing or ascension selections, or the passive buff, even if you wanted to.

[storm haven]

exactly what i want tbh

we have vaults and infinite time

just make the scaling same

[edgy lodge]

Blud took 2 words seriously when all I wanted was a fluent timer and/or boundless R9 to be harder

[storm haven]

i dont do boundless unless its wep farm cuz as long as you build generally logically you are bound to nuke a room 5 stages in

[edgy lodge]

I'm asking for boundless buff ngl

[edgy lodge]

Yeah my only problem with boundless is that it is so dumb in scaling
Endless has perfect scaling, but a flawed timer

[storm haven]

endless is fun cause the ramp up is so harsh and theres the time, actually feels fun to try and beat both of those

[edgy lodge]

Both modes are flawed respectively lol

[carmine ermine]

Exactly. You get vaguely what you want in massive quantities.

[edgy lodge]

If I'm honest, longling should give less time back and Jokul gives more time

[storm haven]

im good with this

[edgy lodge]

Yeah

ONLY thing I ask for

It's not even a nerf, it's just a better timer design

[storm haven]

im waitin till march

hopefully a new season gives us a giant patch

[edgy lodge]

Anxi Desert and Duo Fjord is fine as is, but Longling Tomb and Jokuls time gain has to be changed if I'm brutally honest

[carmine ermine]

Wish granted. Longling Tomb now grants 0s per stage completion, and Hyperborean Jokul now grants 5m per stage completion.

[storm haven]

holy shit thats a plus

big plus

GIMME

[edgy lodge]

Blud solved Gunfire's problem

Can't believe this

[carmine ermine]

The "m" stands for "milisecond".

[edgy lodge]

[storm haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-shelby-tommy-tommy-shelby-suicide-suicide-gun-gif-23836989

[edgy lodge]

Gluttony knowing that he can't take my 5 milliseconds away anymore!!1@!1

[storm haven]

gluttony now drops 10 rocks and each vaccuum now has a 10% chance to clear 1 rock away

hp changed to 5

[edgy lodge]

Gluttony when he sees a surviving debris:

[storm haven]

invincibility phases start first

[edgy lodge]

Gluttony if he wasn't the most flawed fight in the game:

Actually, Spiritual Assault gluttony is fine

[storm haven]

i miss my homie pole monarch

[edgy lodge]

Ong

Gluttony ate him

[storm haven]

please bring him back i will never bitch about the circle part of the fight ever again

[edgy lodge]

The world if gluttony didn't eat pole monarch:

[carmine ermine]

Wish granted.

Pole Monarch chance significantly increased.

Pole Monarch also gains invincibility when breaking away from the aura jars, when dashing to a location, and during the spiral orb attack.

[edgy lodge]

Blud became Duoyi

[storm haven]

also he can sucks in aura jars and you must avoid it by hiding behind convinenetly dropped rocks

[carmine ermine]

Also the sword charge up phase is now a real-time cutscene where you wait for him to crack the spiritual jade and enter his optional hard phase.

[edgy lodge]

[storm haven]

bro doing a slow strut towards it

like some anime villain

[shell patrol]

we did a silly #1199251311443578922

[carmine ermine]

All this is done to increase the popularity of Gluttony, btw.

[shell patrol]

jesus fucking christ

[storm haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-jojos-bizarre-adventure-jotaro-jotaro-kujo-dio-gif-22636305

[shell patrol]

@storm haven The Prosecutor

[shell patrol]

saved the run, might continue till 1k later :p i got shit to do

@edgy lodge

[edgy lodge]

fair enough, GG lad

[shell patrol]

boring ass gamemode

im gonna do dog dual wild hunt

for stupid dps

[edgy lodge]

fair enough

Boundless should have had endless level scaling at R9

[shell patrol]

yep

instead it has slow scaling, big cap

fucking slog

[shell patrol]

dual wild hunt is fucking

WILD

(hunt)

[shell patrol]

DUDE

dog wild hunt is fucking

stupid

i just killed serpent in one second

[floral crest]

any come help r9 endless achievement ST25N8KFEMNPHY :p

[mossy hollow]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[magic geyser]

WHAT THE HECK

XD ???

[opaque jackal]

people sleep on my boi wildhunt

had a goofy endless run with tiger boi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497768313901023252/1199302998522863626/image.png?ex=65c20cf4&is=65af97f4&hm=9421c9f8bfddecf36e4d1b21bac4af96bdf5319415093171aaffc1240bbe16b0&

[shell patrol]

fhis isnt even close to how powerful itll get

6 billion dps

not even godroll

[shell patrol]

wild hunt is the highest dps weapon in the game

[opaque jackal]

i know

i like playing it doom style with HIB on qing yan

[shell patrol]

dual wild hunt with bloody ammo on dog

scary shit

[opaque jackal]

tis very fun

[magic geyser]

what's your lone wolf blessing ?

for dog wildhun

[opaque jackal]

for weapon builds i exclusively pick counter violence however im not sure that is what they choose

[shell patrol]

counterviolence

obviously

[shell patrol]

dog also fully mitigates damage from bloody ammo

as it has a 50% chance to heal equivalent to damage taken from bloody ammo

[magic geyser]

Hey Hisami

any melee build ?

I really want to play melee but don't know which character and build would fit with this style

[opaque jackal]

task failed sucessfully i rerolled all on an ok demonlore

[shell patrol]

cat fire tower

or nona melee

[shell patrol]

if you want a melee character, vote on #1199251311443578922

[shell patrol]

L

demonlore kinda mid tbh

[quick tree]

Do boundless dream modifiers increase enemy hp/damage etc for each selected?

boundless dream or whatever it's called, don't remember, but I hope you get it

[shell patrol]

huh?

mysterious jokul 2x to 6xs elite health iirc

[quick tree]

oof, so they do?

I'll makee a screenshot of what I mean

[shell patrol]

one of them

oh yeha and Lone Wolf spawns more enemies iirc

[shell patrol]

yes, rhat

got it

[quick tree]

so if I select spiritual link for example, it will not increase the difficulty?

[shell patrol]

no

only mysterious jokul and lone wolf kinda do

[quick tree]

like, it's only a buff to no downside? pretty cool

nice, thanks

that makes reincarnation 1 easier than nightmare I guess 😄

[shell patrol]

the only real "debuffs" from the others are curses from training master, misfortune aura from spiritual link and ya thats it iirc?

oh yeah and interdep fortunes can buff or debuff enemies

[quick tree]

I wish there was a way to remove or reduce amount of traps

they are purely annoying 😦

[shell patrol]

get enhanced snow boots

stops all trap damage

[quick tree]

a bit too much trap density

[shell patrol]

just move

[quick tree]

I mean, it's not really about damage

it's just that they are annoying

not difficult or anything

just annoying af

like I mean, grenadiers drop a lot of splash

and then there are traps all over

a lot of the time you end up with no clear spot to go 😄

they are only annoying in the first stage though

in all other stages it's not as dense and is okay

like, way too many traps per square meter in the first stage

[quick tree]

grenadiers and those explosive kamikaze squareheads too

😡

my fav zones are 3 and 4

they seem to have little to no traps and are very fun to clear

desert is so-so, not a fan of anything related to middle east

just the style I dislike I guess

[quick tree]

why you seem to be the only active person in here all the time? 😄

[shell patrol]

A. timezones B. i'm bored to death

[shell patrol]

this man does NOT know about the pyro lantern swarms

[shell patrol]

lol. lmao.

[quick tree]

ehh I just go with owl + rainbow (or squid)

everything just dies as it appears on the screen 😄

feels so good

especially rainbow is broken OP at the ship boss

just point rainbow for 1 second and the cannons are dead

[shell patrol]

damn

my melee, shotgun, and justice using ass:

[quick tree]

eww melee

I tried green bird, that one sucked ass

could be fun as a challenge I guess or in party

but meh

[shell patrol]

haters gonna hate

while i'm WRECKING shit with my fire tower 🔥

[quick tree]

seen videos of people using that

looks cool

but it's too dangerous

I mean, there is a reason everyone switched to ranged weapons irl right?

because ranged weapons are superior

distance is king

[shell patrol]

no risk no reward

[shell patrol]

you can 3 shot golem

[quick tree]

I enjoy the style of katanas

[shell patrol]

idk not a fan of poisonous ghost

[quick tree]

if only I could go with katana which could slash air or something to produce projectiles?

that could be cool

but even if there is, still sounds very specific

1 thing I want, is a skin for owl's cards that turn them into yu-gi-oh cards 😄

that would rock so bad

if only it was a thing

I'd pay for the skin lol

or some anime skins for everything

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-nya-anime-nyan-cat-girl-maid-anime-cat-girl-gif-21695921

wonder why it's not a thing yet

[shell patrol]

because theres like

shit to do besides add skins

the game is a dumpster fire atm

[quick tree]

pretty sure people will buy anime skins as soon as they see them, can't really miss with that

[quick tree]

😭

[shell patrol]

also, paid skins? why the fuck

what sane person would like that

[quick tree]

hey, if it's anime, i'd pay

anime is superior form of art

[shell patrol]

[quick tree]

https://tenor.com/view/weird-smile-anime-creepy-smirk-gif-16482942

[opaque jackal]

this one is insane just because the 9.5x crit i get with 3 projectiles, i was planning on using an octopus but this was just too good to pass up

finally got fish and bear paw

[shell patrol]

eh

just roll a 4.5 projectile angelic aura

[opaque jackal]

finally got merc combo

now if only i can upgrade/get enhanced paranormality and flesh and bones

[edgy lodge]

Depends

Lone Wolf gives extra blessing but increases amount of enemies

[shell patrol]

the only real "difficulty" increase from spiritual link is misfortune aura

[shrewd geyser]

Misfortune aura is free damage and resist, the wording is just confusing

[shell patrol]

... huh?

i thought it's -25% damage dealt to enemies within 12m, +25% damage taken

by the player

o

lovely

[shrewd geyser]

"-25% damage dealt and +25% damage taken to enemies within 12m" it's horribly translated because it actually means you're giving that effect TO enemies within 12m

[shell patrol]

well this is a nice synergy for Enhanced Deflection Shield

-90% DMG taken, and then -25% of that

leaves me with... 7.5% of damage

now add actual damage resistance to that

and you end up with.... 0.75% damage LOL

[shrewd geyser]

Just get enhanced midair lol

[shell patrol]

with enhanced mid air it's even funnier

1% of damage, then -25% for a 0.75% damage, then -90% that for... 0.075% damage taken

don't need no spirit feline

to knock you down from 50k hp, an enemy would need to do 666 thousand damage

scary

[carmine ermine]

For Spirit Feline to do something, you'd have to take x186.67 times your max HP+Shield/Armor in a single hit.

[shrewd geyser]

Lot more than that

[carmine ermine]

Assuming you overcame its -100% DMG Resistance.

[shell patrol]

no, 50000 / 0.075

666666 2⁄3

damage for a knockdown

[shrewd geyser]

0.075% is 0.00075

[shell patrol]

wait

oh yeah

66666666 2⁄3 damage

66 million damage dang

well, 67 million

enemies would need to damage cap to even have you take a hit

[crisp crest]

hi guys. can you offer decent build for tao. im playing with my 2 friends on reinc 8-9. my dmg is very low compared to nona that my friend plays

[shell patrol]

@edgy lodge should know

[edgy lodge]

blud misfortune aura is a good thing

[shell patrol]

yes, i didn't realize because bad translation

lmao

[edgy lodge]

yeah it ain't written too well lol

[shell patrol]

@storm haven yo wanna gunfire

[quick tree]

oooof time to enable

[shell patrol]

wait

nvm

i just gave paranorm and fnb to all enemies

peak

[quick tree]

wat

wat is that

i only know fwb

what is fnb

[shell patrol]

flesh and bones

and paranormality

[quick tree]

hmm

so is it worth enabling

or not

[shell patrol]

... yeah

[quick tree]

noice

[shell patrol]

all enemies die in one shot

[quick tree]

noooice

now if only there was anime on the screen

[shell patrol]

...

[quick tree]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-im-shy-cute-kawaii-gif-17345321

[signal lotus]

paranormality fixes hp at 1 and converts it to shield, while flesh and bones turns shield into hp, so enemies have 1hp

[shell obsidian]

That would be fun actually lol

Have it on the combat rather than as a cutscene

As long as you can damage him during

[raw merlin]

wish boss invuln stages would just turn into like, 99.9% damage resist instead

make them immune to percentage based true damage as well if you must, just let us do something to them

[carmine ermine]

Wish granted.

• Bosses no longer have immunity phases.
• Bosses now take -99% DMG as a replacement for immunity. This applies alongside DMG Resistance.
• DMG dealt to bosses during their immunity phase is reflected back at the player. Hope you enjoy taking at least 10,000 DMG per hit you inflict!

[raw merlin]

Lightless Shield diff

just use burst fire weapons lol

[carmine ermine]

Damage cap lol.

[raw merlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

hey I said I just wanted to be able to do something to them during invulns

[carmine ermine]

And you got it. You can now do a small amount of damage while also killing yourself in the process! 😩

[raw merlin]

eh, you can swap to a pathetically weak weapon to farm crit procs for skill booster and stuff

and hey, if the game slaps you with that demonic aura infusion that reduces all the damage you deal to 1 damage when beyond 12m, then that's a lot more resources you can keep building up

[carmine ermine]

This is Gunfire damage scaling don't forget.

Even a pathetically weak weapon will probably still kill you in 1 shot.

Or 8.

[raw merlin]

tap fires level 1 rad glove

eh, truthfully you only need one good hit sometimes, we've got built in Second Chance on 240s cooldown

[storm haven]

I was asleep bro mb

[shell patrol]

oh oops

[blissful helm]

do you only get the season rewards at the end of the season?

never mind, you have to click claim

why

also why is the 1 million copies sold frame locked, but the 3 million one is unlocked?

[tulip steppe]

since you didn't own the game when that milestone was reached

[blissful helm]

oh damn, do you know when they broke the 1 million?

[carmine ermine]

Forgot the update when it happened, but the 1 million frame was available until January 5th, 2021.

So you're about 3 years too late.

[shell patrol]

lmao

[pliant pivot]

Back on this game after a long time 😄 Any OGs still playin?

@deft linden @hardy hill Do yall still play? :3

[edgy lodge]

new gluttony theme goes hard

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-mood-despicable-me-felonius-gru-minions-gif-13459854

[shell patrol]

lol lmao

dreamscape frfr

[hardy hill]

Occasionally but not super often

[spice forum]

Holy shit Proton is back

Explains why it feels so much more positive here today

[shell patrol]

whos proton

[spice forum]

Just one of the few who were around here from the very start

[shell patrol]

ah

[raw merlin]

pretty sure I know the answer, but wanted to confirm anyway: Princes Wildfire ascension doesn't affect melee weapon attack speed does it?

since it only specifies RoF

[carmine ermine]

Attack Speed = RoF

[raw merlin]

but there's seperate inscriptions for Attack Speed and RoF?

[carmine ermine]

They're exactly the same.

Only difference is context it's used in.

[raw merlin]

so Wildfire does affect melee attack speed

[carmine ermine]

It's weird for a melee weapon to use Rate of Fire for example.

[raw merlin]

I assumed because they were labelled differently, they might be seperate things coding wise, and so because Wildfire only says it affects RoF...

[carmine ermine]

Many things only say RoF.

[raw merlin]

damn, I passed on so many Wildfire chances

[carmine ermine]

Pretty much every ascension except Nona's Nimble Finger, because it also applies to a context where RoF would look weird.

[shell patrol]

nimble finger is so fucking funny

like "oh yeah let me just +50% attack speed of fire tower for no real reason"

[raw merlin]

I should try playing Nona like a gunslinger engineer

[shell patrol]

we need a pistol nailgun

[raw merlin]

huh?

[shell patrol]

like

yknow

a nail gun

would be fitting for nona

as shes sorta an engineer

[raw merlin]

the Icy Spear is kind of like a giant nail

[shell patrol]

yeah but they don't make nails out of water

they dont hold too long

speaking of the icy spesr

why in the living name of fuck does it NOT set off freeze

[raw merlin]

I mean, its apparently not cold enough to stop slivers of it breaking off like thorns

and we would probably freeze ourselves just picking it up if it was that cold

[shell patrol]

gloves

why tf isnt nona using gloves anyway

shes an engineer

[raw merlin]

might be a bit cumbersome in a firefight?

[shell patrol]

depends on the type of gloves

[quick tree]

ayyyy

[shell obsidian]

Enhanced Brief Respite, Instant Reload on swap scroll, fire shot, scroll wheel, fire shot, repeat.

[quick tree]

is it worth playing with randoms (matchmaking) if you are not gonna be using microphone?

is it still possible to coordinate?

[quick tree]

man I'm loving how Zi Xiao's ability descriptions is just nonsensical text

[shell obsidian]

My experience? Nobody listens anyways when it's random matchmaking and everyone grabs random stuff regardless of whether it helps or hurts them