#Steam 2

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marble trail
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does the owl count as a glass wearing hero?

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for the quest

shell patrol
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i mean afaik the game is 64bit only anyway, why not commit to it?

mellow bear
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what do you mean

shell patrol
# mellow bear what do you mean

if i'm not wrong, the game only runs on 64bit machines, so why not make the cap for both damage and health a 64bit integer? it would never be an issue, except for fixing bugs related to other stuff caused by the drastic increase

mellow bear
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probably because its coded in 32 bit

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i have no clue

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probably also because 64 bit interger is uhhhhh..... a lot higher than the 32 bit interger

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its not just take 32 bit and times it by 2

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9,223,372,036,854,775,807 versus 2,147,483,648

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mellow bear
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why the fuck would you ever want to fight an enemy with anywhere near that much health

shell patrol
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... you never would

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it's just to prevent it ever capping out

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your damage wouldn't cap out either, yknow 😛

mellow bear
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theres a guy on stage 5000+ by now in endless

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wonder what number theyd be up to in that run

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dmg would need to have a cap or else the entire run would be boring

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u would 1 shot everything

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u already practically do with some builds

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mellow bear
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@modest spoke

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mellow bear
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last check in was 4000 few weeks ago

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mellow bear
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hes aware of him

shell patrol
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but then... stage 1000 endless..?

mellow bear
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its a drag going that long

trim swan
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Jonwilbert makes sense tbh, he's like one of the best players in the game

shell patrol
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who is the actual person who got it first

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teaa is logged as such

mellow bear
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getting to round 1000 isnt a skill thing as much as its just grinding out the stages thing

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its incredibly repetitive and honestly mind numbing

modest spoke
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it is i just do other things like afk runescape on the side to ease the pain

mellow bear
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i do not blame you

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i come from long zombies runs and i know how boring it can get

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except those runs usually reset at 50-60 hours

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at least have an excuse to end it lmao

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modest spoke
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bosses have about 70 billion hp rn, so nowhere near the 64 bit integer cap

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and i dont think itll reach anywhere close to that before im done

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ill probably finish with ~200 trillion total damage

shell patrol
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what

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the highest unsigned 32 bit integer is 4.2 billion ish

modest spoke
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yea it must use 64 bit

shell patrol
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thats funky. they should do it for the damage cap as well then

mellow bear
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why did i read an entire discussion from reputable players that the max boss hp is 32 bit

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with pics included

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was this all an elaborate ruse

shell patrol
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truly

modest spoke
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it was at one point

shell patrol
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@modest spoke are you using nona for it as well?

modest spoke
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tao

shell patrol
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oh, makes sense

mellow bear
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rofl

shell patrol
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angelic aura i assume?

modest spoke
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rainbow xd

shell patrol
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oh yeah fair nuff

modest spoke
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miasma go brr

mellow bear
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whats the dual edge stacks at

shell patrol
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is miasma that insane

modest spoke
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visually capped at 65535 but probably around 200k

shell patrol
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never saw it do that much damage when ive played... what am i missing?

modest spoke
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i have -41k damage reduction

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sec lemme get a screenshot

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ill do a few stages

mellow bear
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shoutout spirit feline

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modest spoke
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that might be hard capped

shell patrol
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funky

modest spoke
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dual edge might be capped too but my dr keeps goin down so im assuming not

shell patrol
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hwats your scrollset?

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mellow bear
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he could drop literally every scroll except extravagent consumption and dual edge and im not sure how much would change

shell patrol
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he would be dead within 2 seconds dogesmoil

modest spoke
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if i drop feline and lightless shield im probs dead lmfao

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and pen bullet

velvet brook
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Hello how yall doin?

mellow bear
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400,000% dmg babyyyyy

shell patrol
mellow bear
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isnt heavy shield the regen on break

shell patrol
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i usually drop lightless if i get heavy to not trigger the Sacred Aura link

mellow bear
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oh that one

shell patrol
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cause its annoying as shit for painkiller

shell patrol
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changes to 50% immunity chance enhanced, with no debuff

mellow bear
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lightless shield offers 100% immunity

shell patrol
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25% for boss

shell patrol
mellow bear
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how often do you get hit?

shell patrol
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oh yeah also

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lightless shield's biggest shortcoming

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is that it gets stacks removed when using bloody ammo

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and yanno, i like ma always crits

mellow bear
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are you confusing bloody ammo with something else

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or are you also taking about holding deadly counter

shell patrol
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both

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bloody ammo triggers deadly counter

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i assume you know how that ends up, right?

mellow bear
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yes

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thankfully i knew what you were talking about

shell patrol
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bloody ammo also breaks lightless shield stacks, making it pretty worthless

mellow bear
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then dont take them together

shell patrol
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exactly

mellow bear
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u need lightless shield if ur DR is as low as his

shell patrol
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besides, if you get hit often, heavy shield works better

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mellow bear
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there are a ton of ways to get infinite ammo

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mellow bear
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why do you ping me when its just us two conversing

shell patrol
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cause i'm replying, but fair enough

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habit

modest spoke
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miasma on bosses (+ some scroll stacks ig) and on saucers

mellow bear
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lol dont think ive ever seen an M in the damage before

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shell patrol
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that is some brutal damage

mellow bear
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also why its so boring

shell patrol
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no joke

modest spoke
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no idea

mellow bear
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20 hours in the bank

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very zz

modest spoke
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i speedrun this gamee which was just as pointless

shell patrol
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i get bored before stage 200 in boundless, endless is even more restricted soo

modest spoke
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except i get a small gold medal next to my name on speedrun.com

shell patrol
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anyway do you actually play nona

modest spoke
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no i picked nona when the icon was a chicken

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i want it back

shell patrol
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oh lmfaoo

mellow bear
modest spoke
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fr

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the ~150 hours i spent making speedrun dedicated files really made me some bank

shell patrol
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every day i ask myself "WHY do i use strike mode instead of fire mode"

versed fox
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funny taunt

mellow bear
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nona is fun until she isnt

mellow bear
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which happens pretty quickly in endless

shell patrol
mellow bear
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no damage simulator

modest spoke
shell patrol
modest spoke
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not exactly

shell patrol
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in one run to below stage 200

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why not?

modest spoke
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you'd unlock scrolls doing that

shell patrol
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... oh

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oh fuck

mellow bear
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he doesnt know pepelaugh

shell patrol
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jesus christ fuck

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i forgot

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how the hell do you get soul essence then

mellow bear
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these saves are all very specifically crafted to get certain pulls

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you dont just boot up a run on your main save and do this

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modest spoke
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either running 4-1/4-2 over and over in normal since theres no unlocks in act 4 (alt f4 to start at campfire again when you reach monarch, old method) or spiritual assault (no unlocks)

shell patrol
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i guess you could stand behind a wall and wait for iron wing to do the dirty work ig

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but thats BORING

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i run nona with melee instead

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call me insane

shell patrol
modest spoke
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you do unlock some things but with careful planning you can avoid quite a bit

shell patrol
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i guess spiritual assault is easier

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what about Daily Challenge? does it unlock?

mellow bear
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its a pretty intricate setup

modest spoke
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daily challenge doesnt have unlocks either

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its the essence method until SA is unlocked

mellow bear
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should be easier because of quests now right

modest spoke
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quests probably make it a lot easier yea

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but most of them would end up unlocking an unwanted scroll so 🙃

mellow bear
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hey 150 essence goes a long way when youre searching a red chest

modest spoke
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lots of resetting for all of this to line up

shell patrol
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btw why do some endless players not just enhance every scrolls they get?

modest spoke
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probs just cba checking red chests

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i havent checked one in 3000 stages

shell patrol
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wha

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dang

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i check every one i see

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its jusr 60 scrolls to enhance anyway lul

mellow bear
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bro hes at like half a million in dmg amp percent

shell patrol
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i mean sure but it gives that satisfaction of your whole scrollset being enhanced

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and theres nothing else to do anyways if youre just mindlessly grinding

mellow bear
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the point is to get to stage 10k

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im sure hes already wasted enough time just doing this as a challenge lol

shell patrol
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mellow bear
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no reason to spend more time finding red chests

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mellow bear
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so you dont get shit rng

modest spoke
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because then your scroll pool is bigger

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making odds of hitting scrolls that are actually beneficial lower

shell patrol
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fair enough?

mellow bear
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never had a run where you get dual edge or extravagent consumption 2 hours in?

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its killer

shell patrol
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well, not 2 hours in

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at most its 30min or an hour in

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now spirit feline...

modest spoke
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have you ever went 16 hours without seeing merciless combo?

shell patrol
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scary

modest spoke
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tao normal speedruns are scary

mellow bear
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buddy went 2 whole work days without seeing it

modest spoke
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legit

shell patrol
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oh yeah

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endless doesnt have vaults does it

modest spoke
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nope

shell patrol
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how many recycle stacks you got btw

modest spoke
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no clue

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i dont check goblets either

shell patrol
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lmao

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i wanna try seeing how far i can get with a justice

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with uh

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stupid amounts of projectiles

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somewhere between 6 and 33

mellow bear
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probably not crazy far

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would be fun tho

shell patrol
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why not?

mellow bear
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doesnt shoot fast enough

shell patrol
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yes, but if it has a buncha projectiles itll proc damagw cap fast enough

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as every projectile can do damagecap separately

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hm

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do you perchance know how projectiles spread when there is more of them? @mellow bear

mellow bear
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spread in what way

shell patrol
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i mean you can't have 33 projectiles within the exact same position

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so would it be say, stacking them vertically before shooting or spread in a fan pattern?

mellow bear
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a fan

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probably the same way it does the 3 projectile inscription

shell patrol
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perfect

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well uh

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i doubt it will be 33

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but who knows?

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either way its a LOT of them

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if i get a good roll

mellow bear
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you can get even more explosions with the new gemini as well

shell patrol
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so i need to somehow get, at the very least:
+0.2 proj for each shot till reload
+1 proj +100 consumption
+1 projectile when hitting 3 enemies in 1 shot
+? or +1 double projectiles after hitting 2 enemies
+? or +2 launch 3 grenades -40% dmg

  • gemini, maxxing out inscriptions
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@mellow bear

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what do you think are the chances?

mellow bear
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low, but not zero

shell patrol
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would 100% need masterful craftsmanship

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that secures at least 2 exclusives, and a frequent 3rd

mellow bear
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as long as there isnt more than 3 exclusives, its possible

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likely? no

shell patrol
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enhanced, of course

shell patrol
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but hey, a god roll aint impossible is it?

shell patrol
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it has no AOE

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except lava pool

modest spoke
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dog

shell patrol
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yes, iirc it does explosive damage

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problem is

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it has no aoe for the gemini

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so idk how additional inscriptions would work

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oops, explosions

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should i try calculating the odds LOL

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@mellow bear

mellow bear
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just take the 32 bit interger

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its probably about that

shell patrol
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no, def higher

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its only 5 specific inscriptions

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and ill take one wrong

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as long as its say, just +1 proj for 3 enemies

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hmm

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guess its gonna be an enhanced weapon blessing weapon seeking run

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boundless'll do

novel hare
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fun fun

wise citrus
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how do i get skins

carmine ermine
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There is exactly 1 skin in the game at the moment and it's for completing 40/50 quests in Season 1: Arcane Ascensions.

flint pier
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how exactly does the new explosion gemini work

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do u hold the bigger aoe and then a smaller aoe in ur offhand

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and that makes the gun ur using explode multiple times?

wise citrus
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Also what dlc hero is the best

carmine ermine
carmine ermine
wise citrus
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The meat swallowing is insane

carmine ermine
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I know it's a flawed roguelite, and it's not even my favourite.

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I also know that what you're complaining about is nothing.

wise citrus
trim swan
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I refuse to play rir2 because of my anxiety

versed fox
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“Does not like”

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Might be an understatement

wise citrus
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finally beat the ship on solo

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that fight is actually really fun

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Elite unlocked on two consoles now. I didn't know it only goes up to stage three on solo...

versed fox
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Thats a lie

wise citrus
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?

versed fox
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Beating act 3 unlocks act 4 on subsequent runs

wise citrus
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Ohhhhh

wise citrus
versed fox
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Yeah

wise citrus
# versed fox Yeah

I'm still gonna count it as me finishing a run solo for the first time

versed fox
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Nice

wise citrus
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3 hours on steam and I'm already higher level than 22h on console

wise citrus
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before i go to bed-- what's the best way to farm soul essence? i was an idiot and spent like 500 on metaprogression tree cuz i forgot to buy new characters

carmine ermine
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Do the hardest difficulty you can clear without using soul essence to revive, or if you've unlocked Reincarnation, do Reincarnation 1 with some overpowered blessing at the start.

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Also, spending soul essence on talents is more beneficial, since most talents applies to all heroes.

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And it unlocks heroes as you buy more talents anyway.

dawn pewter
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i either cant find it or its gone but can some one direct me to the LFG channel?

dawn pewter
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thank you.

novel hare
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it caps at 25k

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and gold caps at 65k I have learned

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wish it didn't

weary scaffold
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nearly a 2 hour run

shell patrol
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gg dude

weary scaffold
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got the last things i needed for the skin

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ok now i can finally go to bed

tall wyvern
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<@&715475210219815025> Hi men! ( sorry for tag). Will it be a new lvl or boss?

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Becouse your game is number one in mode rogue that I could see. And I would really like more levels to be able to play, and not pass the same levels on a more difficult level of difficulty

shell patrol
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racks up stupid amounts of soulessence

edgy lodge
edgy lodge
trim swan
edgy lodge
tepid sphinx
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Oh boy, buffing Li's Q ability and then using the new season perk to make the corrosion spikes trigger your secondary feels like cheating

carmine ermine
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So what you're saying is it should get buffed, right?

"We Hear You!" Update
• Li:
[Spiritual Meteor]
Old: +100/200/300% Blazing Meteor Base DMG. Lv.3: Additional +1% Base DMG for every point of max energy.
New: +150/300/450% Blazing Meteor Base DMG, +25/50/100% Blazing Meteor Elemental Effect Chance. Lv.3: Additional +1% Base DMG for every point of max energy.
[Blazing Rain]
Old: When using Blazing Meteor to hit an enemy affected by Burning Effect, 60% chance to cast an additional Blazing Meteor to the enemy within 7m. The chance will decrease significantly when it is triggered repeatedly.
New: When using Blazing Meteor to hit an enemy affected by Burning Effect, 70% chance to cast an additional Blazing Meteor to the enemy within 10m.
[Accurate Crush]
Old: Blazing Meteor deals 200%/50% chance for 200% or 300%/80% chance for 300% or 20% chance for 400% DMG when hitting 1 enemy.
New: Blazing Meteor deals 200%/50% chance for 200% or 300%/80% chance for 300% or 20% chance for 400% DMG and +20/40/80% Total Burning and Combustion DMG when hitting 1 enemy.

• Qing Yan:
[Close Combat]
Old: +40/80/150% DMG against enemies within 7/7/12 meters.
New: +40/80/150% DMG against enemies within 7/7/12 meters, but -40/60/80% Elemental DMG.

• Nona:
[Pair of Us]
Old: Iron Wing will not be knocked down as long as Nona is standing. +1% DMG for each 1 point of HP capacity Iron Wing has.
New: Iron Wing will not be knocked down as long as Nona is standing. +1% DMG for both Nona and Iron Wing each 1 point of Total HP capacity both Nona and Iron Wing have.

trim swan
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I don't see lucky day needing a buff

shell patrol
carmine ermine
# trim swan I don't see lucky day needing a buff

Oops, my mistake.

• Zi Xiao:
[Lucky Day]
Old: +10/15/20% Weapon and Skill DMG for every Normal/Rare/Legendary Astroaspect obtained. Wild Astroaspects grant a random bonus.
New: +30% Weapon and Skill DMG for every card held at once. +10% Weapon and Skill DMG for every card in reserves.

shell patrol
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no melee for his ass

carmine ermine
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It's tradition.

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Always nerf the birb.

shell patrol
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ok but literally making melee worthless on him is brutal

trim swan
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I hate how much I know Zi Xiao's system

carmine ermine
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Not enough it seems.

That's a free 300% weapon/skill damage.

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600% with Under Control 3.

trim swan
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You can get up to 999 in reserves

carmine ermine
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10590% with max reserves.

trim swan
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Impossible to keep it at 999 unless you have no enemies around

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My poor "q" key

shell patrol
trim swan
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It'll just be the same

shell patrol
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i'm rocking a naga x that recently had to uhhhh

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still works tho, so meh

brazen stone
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If I use any Bizzare Dream will I still be able to progress normally?

brazen stone
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OKAAAAY, tyty

edgy lodge
shell patrol
shell patrol
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bbb

edgy lodge
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barbeque bacon burger

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next gunfire reborn weapon?

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explosive weapon that can bypass the damage cap

storm haven
azure mango
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@storm haven

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I've done it

shell patrol
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i fucking despise pyro lanterne

shell patrol
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but not bad

azure mango
storm haven
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Now left click and delete the whole screen in 2 seconds flush2 flush2

azure mango
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Got divorced twice ditching everything to reroll this

shell patrol
azure mango
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but what's up with justice?

shell patrol
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like, 33

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in practice itll either be somewhere around 7 or 20 i think

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im tryna get one that could do that

storm haven
shell patrol
azure mango
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is this the one? @shell patrol

shell patrol
shell patrol
carmine ermine
azure mango
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my run is still going, I'll keep an eye out for it

carmine ermine
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So they probably earned it.

shell patrol
storm haven
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@azure mango how long for that scalpel

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I’m doing a weapon fun run rn need to prep mentally

azure mango
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honestly,. just a couple hours

storm haven
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Whew

shell patrol
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which is silly

shell patrol
azure mango
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got the 3 exclusive + 1 rare

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then exit + reenter to etch once

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got it on 3rd try

shell patrol
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like im SORRY but there are 38347 pyro lanterns rushing at me and even one means im dead

shell patrol
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i just realized

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thats so stupid

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will try

azure mango
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credits to @storm haven

shell patrol
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the justice gon be a carpet bomber

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i swear

azure mango
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time to start grinding for it

shell patrol
shell patrol
carmine ermine
shell patrol
carmine ermine
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Mecha Drop + Iron Wing Fire Mode + Hardwood Missile + Suicide Device = 1

storm haven
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is this a bug

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im attacking ship rn and its not attacking even once

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wow finally it attacked

thin epoch
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What does it mean with defeating bear with energy fully charged?

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I let the boss throw the sword at the crystal and killed him right after but nope

azure mango
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@shell patrol

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got a candidate

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+0.2 proj for each shot till reload (rare)
+1 proj +100 consumption (exc)
+1 projectile when hitting 2 enemies in 1 shot (exc)
+? or +1 double projectiles after hitting 2 enemies (rare)
+? or +2 launch 3 grenades -40% dmg (what's the rarity?)

shell patrol
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so we need 3 exc 1 rare 1 norm

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wait no

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2 rare 3 exc

azure mango
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3exc 1 rare is enough

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can reroll the last one

shell patrol
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and Multiple attribute, but that can be rolled

shell patrol
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how will you rerolle the exclusives tho

azure mango
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I don't

shell patrol
azure mango
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I just play and watch for good drops

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🤣

shell patrol
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enhance your masterful craftsmanship tho

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wait

azure mango
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not a problem

shell patrol
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i wonder if 3 exclusives can be forced

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with masterful craftsmanship + whatever is that blessing to enhance weapons

azure mango
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that's what I'm running on currently

shell patrol
shell patrol
azure mango
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but they still don't always drop with 3 exclusives

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mostly 2

shell patrol
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well, 3 is common enough

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also, iirc the red chest that forces 1 exclusive on weapon adds it on top of masterful craftsmanship

azure mango
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it was blocked after I got 3 exclusives, isn't that the cap?

carmine ermine
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3 is the cap.

shell patrol
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3 is the cap yeah

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sadly

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i want a 5 exclusive abomination but oh well

edgy lodge
shell patrol
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a

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wiki moment

carmine ermine
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Want it filled? Get to testing.

shell patrol
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fair nuff

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does it work on Justice?

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like, does it do anything

carmine ermine
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You can test that too.

shell patrol
azure mango
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get 2
1 with combined magazine gemini
1 without

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hit both, clip and analyze

carmine ermine
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If the AoE gets bigger or smaller and you see more explosions. Easy.

shell patrol
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only the lava pool

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which is hte isuse

carmine ermine
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Test it anyway.

shell patrol
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fair nuff

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@azure mango do you have Supreme Craftsman on as well?

azure mango
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I do

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will pass the gun to you if I actually got the 3 exc + 1 rare

shell patrol
azure mango
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oh wait nvm

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you cannot etch after storing it in arsenal right

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has to do it in that run

shell patrol
shell patrol
azure mango
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it does

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a total of 5 + gemini

storm haven
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commence operation savescum

shell patrol
# azure mango it does

no, i mean if i reroll a weapon with 3 exclusive inscriptions, will it keep them exclusive

azure mango
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oh wait

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supreme craftsman is the reroll one?

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iirc, no it doesn't

shell patrol
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aw

azure mango
storm haven
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thanks bro

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holding craftsman at glovepoint rn for autohoming inscription

storm haven
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bro gave me a green one

shell patrol
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L

storm haven
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its gaming time

shell patrol
shell patrol
storm haven
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frfr

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gonna save this run now

shell patrol
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how does one save a specific run?

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i dont get it

storm haven
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in between acts

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then i exit and dont enter any portal

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the idea is i enter jokul stage 1 go to craftsman for that big rng moment if it sucks ass (fuck you craftsman) i just alt tab, task manager and end gunfire

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when i load up its gonna be at the inbetween zone again

azure mango
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alt+f4 works just as fine

storm haven
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wait what

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holy shit thanks

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yooooooooooooooo

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holy shit i can save time now

azure mango
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lol

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will save you a decent amount of clicks

wise citrus
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Daily challenge is such a waste of time

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You get more soul essence from a normal run in new adventure and that's only if you win, otherwise nothing of value is gained

long sparrow
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did we get an update today?

velvet brook
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Morning

storm haven
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gm

velvet brook
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How yall doing?

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I suck at r9 man

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The furthest I reached was only halfway to stage 2 lol

storm haven
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pretty good got scalpel with 3/5 inscriptions that i want

storm haven
raw merlin
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thunderbolt spam is quite effective

dire jolt
shell patrol
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@dire jolt i am going to make the single most broken justice

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as in, a carpet bomber dogesmoil

shell patrol
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+0.2 proj for each shot till reload (rare)
+1 proj +100 consumption (exc)
x2 projectile when hitting 2 enemies in 1 shot (exc)
+1 projectiles after hitting 3 enemies in a single shot (rare)
+? or +2 launch 3 grenades -40% dmg (exc)

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if we assume launch 3 grenades is additive, this adds up to a total (with Multiple bonus, of course) of: 14.6 projectiles

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@carmine ermine if the launch 3 grenades bonus is multiplicative, would it be x3 or x2? if it's x3, then that would be... 43.8 projectiles which doesnt sound right

cyan shuttle
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are scrolls acquired from curiosity box disregard able or is it like effective split? keensaQuestion

spice forum
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Because you already factor the 0.2 per kill wrong
That is a chance to fire an identical shot again
if your weapon fire 3 projectiles per shot and you have 10 kills you fire 6 projectiles per trigger

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and Girlboss : Effective is no drop

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Box is 1-3 with drop option

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Thats the trade off for getting guaranteed 2 scrolls

shell patrol
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at max

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also yea its per kill oopsie

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oooo this is v close

spice forum
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sigh…

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Its lumped into the projectile inscriptions

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if you get a weapon with single shot , the +1 projectiles and the 0.2 per kill

shell patrol
# spice forum sigh…

base=+1
+2 from 0.2 for each kill till reload
+1 from +100 consumption
+2 from launch 3 grenades
+0.3 from Multiple
x2 total

spice forum
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ypu start with 2 projectiles per shot

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then after 10 kills ypur weapon shoots 4 and then at 20 6 shots

shell patrol
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...oh shit?

shell patrol
spice forum
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sorry numbers too high

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what I mean is 0 , 1 and 2 total for the bonud

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#1055550986292297838 message

shell patrol
spice forum
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the stages of the bonus
0 : no extra shots/ proj multi
1 : 100 % chance for multi / extra
2 : 200% chance

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it doesnt add flat it adds a CHANCE for its effect

shell patrol
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whoops, wrong reply

spice forum
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200 % chance to multipy the base

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same as lucky shot 200% just means 2 times the base

shell patrol
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so its fuckin

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DOUBLE the projectiles?

spice forum
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Or tripple

shell patrol
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but i thought the cap is 10 kills.. huh

spice forum
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but that depends on how the others are added

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shell patrol
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wait

spice forum
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how much is 5 times 0.2

shell patrol
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whoops

shell patrol
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oh

spice forum
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soooo

shell patrol
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oh fuck me

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right

spice forum
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I think now it clicked

shell patrol
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so... let me try the calculation again

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base=+1
+1 from +100 consumption
+2 from launch 3 grenades
+0.3 from Multiple
x3 total from 0.2 projectiles per kill
x2 total from double projectiles after hitting 2 enemies in one shot

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which is... 4.3 x 6

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25.8 projectiles

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what the fuck

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@spice forum is this right

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@storm haven @azure mango

dry wave
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can somone give me a challenge my friend and i can do on R9?

trim swan
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Foundry Only

mellow bear
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Enjoy The Game As It Comes challenge

dry wave
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i have accidentaly gaver the enemies heavy shields, and now i cant kill them that fast (was already struggling before)

edgy lodge
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thing liek heavy shield, evil banishing talisman, livesaver, triple comeback, lightless shield etc.

dry wave
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I was a dum dum and was loike oh cool scroll, guess i pcik it upo, then i realized it applies to enemies

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:0

wise citrus
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My friends saw me playing gunfire reborn and shouted "ayo this man's playing a furry game"

dry wave
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Am i supposed to be fighting 2 pole Monarchs at once? like one ice looking one and a normal one?

edgy lodge
trim swan
mellow bear
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i call this game a furry game and i play it

trim swan
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I just ignore the insults n such but it's interesting to put that title on someone from a nonfur

edgy lodge
trim swan
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Yeah there's nothing wrong with it

edgy lodge
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Absolutely!

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I think furries are epic, I'm friends with so many of them

trim swan
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You're talking to one

edgy lodge
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Mhm :)

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I'm not exactly a furry myself as mentioned to you before lol

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I think furries are really really sweet individuals

mellow bear
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all furries must die

edgy lodge
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Like I said, I'm friends with a lot of furries

edgy lodge
trim swan
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if all furries die then we lose a lot of technological advances and we lose some military troops

mellow bear
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that first point is a good one

edgy lodge
mellow bear
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second one is uhhhhh

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not the strongest

edgy lodge
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My reaction

trim swan
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I know it's not the strongest, it's not the majority iirc

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But a lot of furries have well paying jobs in some tech industry stuff

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Funny

mellow bear
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i have two brothers in different military branches, i can assure you maybe a fraction of a percentage of them are furries lol

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not a common thing

trim swan
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Yep, not common

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The thought of furries in the military though is funny and will get an anti-furry triggered

edgy lodge
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Anti-furries are those kind of people who just hate for the sake of it lol

trim swan
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What's funnier is that sometimes they become furries themselves

edgy lodge
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Or they're just trying to impress their fellow 14 year old friends in a discord meme server

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I've never hated furries myself personally

trim swan
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Lol

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I've never hated them to begin with
If I compare my realization date of when I was a furry to the date I did become a furry

The gap is like 7 years

edgy lodge
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Dang

trim swan
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I became a furry the moment I was introduced to a game called "Animal Jam" in fourth grade and didn't think anything of it

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And then I realized that furries are actually a thing later

edgy lodge
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Oh cool

shell patrol
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HOLY FUCK

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closest ill get for now, will keep grinding for da perfect one

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@storm haven @mellow bear @azure mango

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...

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the proj double inscription doesnt even work

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this is so stupid

trim swan
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Are you hitting 2 targets in a single shot

shell patrol
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either way i only launch 5 projectiles

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or am i supposed to hit them with one projectile?

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i can send a screen recording if you'd like /shrug

dry wave
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how does Riches Privlages work?

shell patrol
shell patrol
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depends

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pretty ok if you ask me

mellow bear
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hell no its not bad

dry wave
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idek, im going monkey right now and was wondeirng if iu should save my gold for it or soend it

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i suk at the game, and im new, seems bad to me when the bosses have like millions of hp, and im doing an extra 5k? maybe im not understanding it tho?

mellow bear
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you should be gathering scrolls that increase copper gained during the run, so even if you have EC, its still helping out a lot for skill dmg

dry wave
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too much work.... looking for good scrolls

velvet brook
shrewd geyser
# shell patrol HOLY FUCK

unfortunately the 3 grenade split doesn't get multiplied by the projectile inscriptions, you still only shoot 1 extra bomb to the left and right of the original one even if the middle is shooting like 6

shell patrol
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fuck now i have to redo the math AGAIN

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ok so

shrewd geyser
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all the projectile inscriptions are additive iirc

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so double projectile on hit will add 1

shell patrol
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nope, actually!

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at least wiki says otherwise

shrewd geyser
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+1 exclusive +2 from rare

shell patrol
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also, the +0.2 on each kill until reload is a multiplier as well

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it triples projectiles

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according to cryorus, at least

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and it seems to be true

shrewd geyser
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I know for sure the +0.2 on kill doesn't multiply with +1 exclusive, cause a wep with +0.2 on kill caps at 3 proj and a wep with both caps at 4 (if it starts with 1)

shell patrol
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hmm

shrewd geyser
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and my +0.2 justice that I use shoots 3 bombs in middle and 1 on each side (3 spread exclusive)

shell patrol
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@spice forum

shell patrol
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ill see what is possible to do about it

shrewd geyser
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I think the only projectile mod that multiplies is scalpel's double shot setting since it basically just shoots two attacks

shell patrol
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hm

carmine ermine
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Do keep in mind that one hasn't been tested in a loong time.

shell patrol
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back to testing and grinding it is

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lets see if i can get another one that is closer to perfect

shell patrol
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LMAO I JUST ONESHOT THE SERPENT WITH A MECHA DROP

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HOW THE FUCK

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the thunder arcane is too broken

carmine ermine
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Got complaints about something? Buff time!

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now does +1200% damage with Overcharged Thunder instead of +400%.

shell patrol
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jesus christ

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what about nerfs 😭

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hey at least now i can justify using strike mode

trim swan
shell patrol
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altanna writing up patch notes for an apology update again i swear

carmine ermine
# shell patrol what about nerfs 😭

Crying? That means you're upset about something. I'll apologize with these buffs!

Thunder Step (Arcane) now releases thunderbolts onto 5 enemies per dash, instead of 2.

carmine ermine
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Also Overcharged Thunder is +1500% DMG instead of the previous +1200%.

trim swan
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This is amazing

shell patrol
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what the fuck

shell patrol
carmine ermine
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** Thunderbolts from dashing instantly kills any enemy it hits.

trim swan
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*** Enemies spawning instantly kills them

carmine ermine
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When enemies die, they also explode into a dazzling firework display, complete with complimentary phrases such as "You rock!" and "You're so good at this game!"

shell patrol
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HA

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okay what

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the fuck

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why is it x4

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oh yea must be the double

carmine ermine
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When they die it also adds x1000 times their max HP to your total damage score, so you can get the big number at the end of the run.

carmine ermine
shell patrol
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oh yeah 4x gone now

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mustve been double

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wasnt an extra projectile tho so shrug

carmine ermine
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So I guess double explosions is now additive after all.

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Because "double" the base of 1 is +1.

shell patrol
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we'll see if it doubles while i have a +1 projectile +100 consumption

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am just grinding for it

carmine ermine
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If it was multiplicatively doubling it should've been x6.

shell patrol
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it depends

carmine ermine
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Wouldn't matter what other projectile inscription you have, because they're pretty much all additive.

shell patrol
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some bonuses, apparently, don't get taken into account

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we'll see, gimme an hour or two to roll a good one

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anyway

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imo the chance of parkour vaults spawning should be doubled

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like holy fuck they never spawn lmao

carmine ermine
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That's because there are barely any of them.

mellow bear
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Never spawn?

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I get one per act

shell patrol
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lucky

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i get one once in 4 acts

shell patrol
carmine ermine
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~~You have angered the "it breaks the game flow and I can't do parkour" player mob, and in turn, you have forced the devs to apologize with more buffs.

Elemental Pulses now has 1200 base DMG instead of 600 and 50% elemental effect chance instead of 30%.~~

shell patrol
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like im sorry im mindlessly grinding endless for a cool weapon i want a break from mashing left click at least for a minute lmao

carmine ermine
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Sounds like you're upset about vaults... Tao_LTao_R

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Buff Time!!!

shell patrol
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ngl this game needs a damage rework

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damage numbers are astronomical and you need to have either spirit feline or 90% DR to deal with it

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which is just stupid and is a horrible way of creating "difficulty"

carmine ermine
#

Normally said horrible way of creating difficulty is compensated by having enough skill to avoid getting hit.

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Unfortunately, you're not exactly encouraged to be skilled in this game.

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One-shot them before they can even attack is encouraged more.

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Usually easier too.

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And solves more problems at once.

shell patrol
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you'd still be killed easily, you just wouldn't be completely obliterated by a stray retainer bullet

carmine ermine
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removing spirit feline and capping DR at, say, 70%
Sounds like nerfs.

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We all know how we treat nerfs 'round here. cracks knuckles

shell patrol
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lol

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still

carmine ermine
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I know. There are many many many problems that could be fixed if they just... did nerfs.

shell patrol
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it's the fact that any run that wants to survive past duo fjord depends on spirit feline alone that bugs me

carmine ermine
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But they don't do any nerfs that matter.

shell patrol
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yep, unfortunately

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if parkour vaults are too hard for the playerbase something went uh

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horribly wrong

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if enough people complained im sure they would do nerfs, it's just that the majority likes the horribly simple way it is right now

shell patrol
mellow bear
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70% dr cap? That’s literally nothing lol

shell patrol
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no shit

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there's dash for a reason

mellow bear
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This game is not meant to be one where you’re being very skillful and maneuvering around enemies to avoid damage

shell patrol
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there's also heavy shield, lightless shield, and damage would need to be halved eitherways

mellow bear
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If you want to do that, play roboquest

shell patrol
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you don't even have to

mellow bear
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That game is amazing for people that are seeking difficult in that form

shell patrol
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the amount of regen and damage immunity scrolls in the game would still allow for a tank build

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just not as simple as just picking up spirit feline lmao

mellow bear
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This game is meant to be simple tho

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Pretty counterintuitive

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Myself and many, many others enjoy it because you can turn ur brain off and run around nuking things

shell patrol
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yeah uh

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issue is

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it doesn't even allow going another way

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you need the "brainless nuke" scrolls to play it at all lmao

mellow bear
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That’s not true

shell patrol
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it is

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spirit feline i.e.

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you can't play boundless/endless without it

carmine ermine
shell patrol
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as enemies will eventually outscale any sort of defense you can get otherwise

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in damage

carmine ermine
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You need to know what hero works well with what weapons that have what inscriptions, what occult scrolls to pick when using what ascensions and blessings for best fighting what enemies that might change priority based on what enhancements they get...

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It only looks simple because you can pretty much do "get damage, get immunity of some sort, win".

mellow bear
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Im at the point in play where I’m literally picking random blessings scrolls ascensions and weapons to see what does and doesn’t stick cuz I’ve tried most of it all

carmine ermine
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Because so many buffs to what players get has now allowed that.

mellow bear
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And I’m still doing fine in damage and sustain

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The game is not meant to be super complicated, unless you make it so

carmine ermine
shell patrol
carmine ermine
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It's only simple because you don't need to go any further to win.

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If things were harder, you just might have to use your brain to win.

shell patrol
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^

mellow bear
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So you’re saying… you don’t need to use your brain?

carmine ermine
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Yes.

mellow bear
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So then it’s a simple game

carmine ermine
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Because it's been buffed to be that way.

mellow bear
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Dont get me wrong, you can get very, VERY detailed

carmine ermine
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Not because it always was.

shell patrol
mellow bear
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But if you just want to beat the game, it’s not overly complicated

mellow bear
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Homeboy, you’ve seen the setup for Tao endless runs

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It’s a multiple hour process just to begin the run

carmine ermine
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It's only simple because it's piss easy. It's piss easy because players kept getting buffed.

If it wasn't for the buffs, the game wouldn't be piss easy, and therefore wouldn't be simple.

shell patrol
carmine ermine
#

If you had played the game 2 years ago, you had to actually do something beyond the simplest things in order to win.

shell patrol
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getting spirit feline, dual edge, extravagant consumption and an smg?

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  • indep fortune
mellow bear
shell patrol
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...

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that's for a speedrun

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not an endless run

mellow bear
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So?

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Bro what

#

That is for endless

shell patrol
#

since when does an endless run care about unlocks

mellow bear
#

That’s literally the meta posted by Jon, who’s currently on stage 5100 with bunny

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You were literally there for the entire convo he explained it all

shell patrol
#

if my memory is not failing me, he was also talking about speedruns

mellow bear
#

No, he’s talking about setting up Tao runs for endless

shell patrol
#

my ass

mellow bear
#

That’s an entire different thing

shell patrol
#

that was the setup for a save file for speedruns

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look at the goddamn convo man

mellow bear
#

You look at the convo 😂😂

trim swan
mellow bear
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That is the exact route you follow to setup the optimal scrolls so you don’t screw yourself

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Read the post 😂

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That I sent ^

shell patrol
#

also, endless doesn't explicitly require ostrich rider as far as i know

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yet this includes unlocking it also

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yanno what

shell patrol
# mellow bear

@modest spoke is this for endless or for a speedrun save file?

trim swan
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That looks like endless in my eyes tbh

mellow bear
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idk what to tell you man

trim swan
mellow bear
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the ENTIRE convo we had with him was setting up endless

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hence why we started it with me telling you hes on a long run, which then got into details.... then he shared how he sets it up for optimal pulls....

shell patrol
#

look at the goddamn convo down from the message i linked

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i asked about soul essence

mellow bear
#

you look up from the message you sent 🤣

shell patrol
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in a speedrun save file

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look down

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like if that is not obviously talking about speedruns i dunno if i'm sane

mellow bear
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bro he literally says he cant play boundless and get essence for an endless run because he'll unlock non-optimal scrolls like 7 messages down LOL

shell patrol
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FOR A SPEEDRUN

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then i asked about soul essence etc

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which he replied to

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about SPEEDRUNS

mellow bear
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i think you know yuoure wrong and are hung up on that message

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sad sight

shell patrol
#

kay lol lets just see what he responds with

mellow bear
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you have a dude who literally speed runs this game @trim swan just tell you its not for speedrunning

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he even explains why its not for speedrunning

trim swan
#

I'm trying to cook fries

mellow bear
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im also cooking dinner dont worry

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hard to multi task

trim swan
mellow bear
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yes

shell patrol
#

it was about setting up a save file for either a speedrun or a endless run

trim swan
#

Endless

shell patrol
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i'm pretty sure it's the former but ill just wait for him to respond

trim swan
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We don't check vaults for speedruns and the file was already made for speedruns lmao

mellow bear
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why would you check all vaults for dragon in a speedrun LOL

trim swan
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If I'm wrong then I'm leaving this server as punishment but that does not look like a file for Speedrun setups

mellow bear
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u know how much time you'd waste

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i mean i know its not this kid is tweaking about speedruns for some reason

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the entire convo leading up to john posting that is for setting up endless runs

trim swan
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Iirc the speedrun file was based on what the of rooms you got so they wouldn't in appear in the run

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Not doing all of that precise stuff

mellow bear
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oh, i think i know what the hang up is

shell patrol
#

i honestly don't care which of them is which, but when i was talking to him i assumed it was for speedruns ¯_(ツ)_/¯

mellow bear
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as the world has it im probably wrong but at this point i share the sentiment where i no longer care rofl

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most pointless argument of all time

shell patrol
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fo real

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anyway, what was that convo about the game being piss easy again?

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@carmine ermine the funniest shit ive ever heard is that apparently there are fucking CHEATS for gunfire reborn lmap

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like

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christ

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why

mellow bear
#

i was just saying that if you want you can get super detailed in this game, like the speedrun? endless? image i posted

modest spoke
mellow bear
#

gg

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@trim swan

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u must leave

shell patrol
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lmao

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SO I WAS RIGHR

trim swan
#

I'm leaving now

shell patrol
#

as endless always is, always was dogesmoil

#

speedruns are prob the only really complex part of the game, and they aren't even a part of the game LOL

shell patrol
mellow bear
#

Im glad we got to this bottom of this so we can all move on

#

Shoutout Jon for answering quick

carmine ermine
shell patrol
carmine ermine
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So there was legitimate reasons why people would have enough of a skill issue to want to cheat.

carmine ermine
#

The real funny part is how some cheaters still exist.

shell patrol
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yknow that one guy, forgot his name, who was complaining the game is too hard here recently and frequently

mellow bear
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Because there’s still a large portion of the playerbase who either aren’t mechanically inclined enough to avoid damage or are just not ready for the difficulty they’re playing at yet

shell patrol
#

theres nona

mellow bear
#

Whether that’s a skill tree issue or zero knowledge of syncing builds issue

shell patrol
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do people like

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not know how to strafe

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like, just strafing and bhopping will avoid 95% of damage

mellow bear
#

Not everybody who plays this game is like you, believe it or not. People of all backgrounds play video games, and some are better than most

carmine ermine
#

You don't even need to be a master ninja to play this game.

shell patrol
#

okay i admit im an avid player of games on the quake engine, but like, wow

#

the movement is piss easy in this game

carmine ermine
#

Just... if you don't want to get hit, move out of the way.

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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If hit is big, dash and move out of the way.

shell patrol
#

my only complaint about difficulty is close range weapons vs pyro lanterns

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like fuckin hell man my ENTIRE PLAYSTYLE is GONE 😭

mellow bear
#

Why don’t you just use a long range ability, say maybe your rocket to kill them

shell patrol
shell patrol
mellow bear
#

There seems to be an apparent issue in your build here lol

shell patrol
#

i mean yeah i am not tailoring my build to survive pyro lanterns

carmine ermine
mellow bear
#

What do you do against elite gas dudes

shell patrol
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or instakill them with a mecha drop, but that needs at least stage 40

shell patrol
#

ngl it would be great if this game had more complex movement

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but im asking too much, we need basic nerfs first lol

carmine ermine
#

Closest thing that exists to more complex movement is Birb's Leap and the Air Surfer Spiritual Jade.

#

One is hero-restricted, the other is gamemode-restricted.

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Oh I suppose there is the negative effect of self-exploding yourself in the Explosive Carnival daily challenge, but who cares about that one.

shell patrol
#

at the very least some sort of momentum would be nice

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@carmine ermine what i don't get is if players are struggling, why not use more indirect buffs, e.g. an increase in base movement speed, instead of making everything horribly broken?

carmine ermine
#

Because not only are they still direct buffs, but it also wouldn't make the game as easy as the horribly broken buffs do.

shell patrol
carmine ermine
#

If people are still complaining the game is too hard even now, smaller buffs would just end up with more people complaining the game is too hard, increasing the number of buffs next update.

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The end result will be the same where everything reaches broken levels of power. It would just get there slower.

shell patrol
#

yea

carmine ermine
#

Oh yeah and another thing. Increases to base stats would be unescapable.

#

At least with buffs for blessings and weapons and stuff, you can avoid the good ones... mostly.

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If your movement speed for every hero went up? Can't avoid that. Permanently easier even if you don't want it.

shell patrol
#

fair enough

carmine ermine
#

And not just movement speed either. Max HP, Max Shield/Armor, Cooldown Reduction, Secondary Skill recovery, ammo capacity, damage in general...

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Or just doing what they've done with Arcane Ascensions where you just get basically a 3rd skill permanently.

shell patrol
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oh yeah, if movement speed would be added all hell would break loose now that im thinking about it

shell patrol
carmine ermine
#

People would have to be really loud about it.

shell patrol
#

oh yeah then you can forget it

worn hemlock
#

Is 91millon damage in a single hit (without boundless and without the most optimal build possible) a lot for bird

storm haven
#

KABOOOOOOOM

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Why did bro leave I’m seeing a white name

simple pendant
#

Hi, I'm trying to go for the Crab Buffet achievement. I'm doing a normal run, and alt-F4'ing at the end of Act 3 if I don't get the crab event. I've done like 10 runs and haven't seen it a single time. Am I doing something wrong, or am I just getting shafted by RNG?

modest spoke
#

are you getting an event in the 3rd stage of act 3

simple pendant
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Sometimes, I've seen the "turn everything into catfish warrior" event 2 times

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Oh sorry I misread that, no I'm not getting an event in the 3rd stage

modest spoke
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then you'll have to start another run

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the stage you get an event will stay the same if you're alt f4ing

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i dont quite know exactly why but its how it works

simple pendant
#

welp, that sucks :(

simple pendant
#

Another question: can more than 1 event show up in Act 3 in normal? Like if an event happens in stage 1, can another also happen in stage 3?

carmine ermine
#

No.

#

Multiple events per act only happen on Reincarnation difficulty when Mysterious Jokul or Royal Guard is active, or at Reincarnation 8+.

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Exception being vaults.

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But no vault has the fiddler crab event.

simple pendant
#

Damn, that's annoying

#

Going on run 3 now

earnest minnow
#

School shucks~

#

I didn't touch Gunfire for 2 days

shell obsidian
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What is the largest magazine weapon for a magazine size gemini?

earnest minnow
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Could be around 300

shell obsidian
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Currently found a stormchaser that has 180 magazine size

edgy lodge
tulip steppe
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250-255

spice forum
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Crab Vault...

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imagine a "little pests" vault
That just swarms you with Beetles , Crabs and Boars

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Also perfect for introducing Elite Boar and Elite Crab

carmine ermine
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Ironically, act 2 and 3 are the ones that need new elites the least.

shell patrol
storm haven
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Gimme Elite Lantern

glacial storm
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does skill damage boost dual wield dmg ?

carmine ermine
# storm haven Gimme Elite Lantern

Elite Lantern just nukes you when it self-destructs or dies, literally.

You get hit with a heavy dose of radiation if you survive, which constantly lowers your max HP and max Shields/Armor. Eventually you'll be stuck at 1 HP 0 Shields/Armor and die in a single hit.

carmine ermine
edgy lodge
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Just lots and lots of mini type enemies