yeah I'm sure I could if I play more, but that goes with everything else
#Steam 2
random magnet
and not everyone can do that
see heres an example, you can have faker on worlds and kill 2 of his teammates with a sniper rifle, and faker may still be able to win
twin sierra
What?
random magnet
you put 5 regular players against each other, and you kill 2 of their teammates
and now they are not playing on hardest diffculty, they are playing on hardestest diffculty
yeah faker can probably pull it off, but regular players not really
its not like they are bad, its just that 2 teammates got killed
its not like they got in the game with the expectation that 2 of the teammates are gonna die
if they play the game regularly they can win, with 2 less not a chance
How is that hard to grasp?
thin epoch
We counting painkiller cat now?
Not discussing the point tho, it's fair and stands lmao
random magnet
mod is saying I shouldnt play on hardest diffculty if I can't beat it
thin epoch
All I mean is you can carry every scenario with painkiller cat
carmine ermine
You signed up for multiplayer, where any player can be your teammates, including bad players.
random magnet
its fine if they are bad, but they straight up disconnected
carmine ermine
The game has no reason to compensate you for the folly of other people.
Oh, they disconnected did you say?
random magnet
afk=disconnect
carmine ermine
The difficulty automatically lowers with less players.
trim swan
Afk is not a disconnect
random magnet
im wrong for 6 years then
I transfered concept from league
where if player afk a bot takes over
thin epoch
Afk is better than bad players tho because you might try to revive bad players and put yourself in danger
carmine ermine
Better word to use would be lazy players, then.
But that's still not the game's fault.
random magnet
so if a bot exists diffculty still on 4 players?
carmine ermine
Especially since the reason for AFKing could be anything.
Even something as simple as they were checking a shop while you decide to rush ahead, and they didn't have the movement speed to catch up to your rushing.
To some people, I'd imagine that would be considered as AFKing.
trim swan
I almost passed out on an endless run with my friend last night, does that count as afking
random magnet
random magnet
Woah I just found out the game does tone diffculty down if you don't have bot teammates
So I fucked myself by turning it on
I'm a dumbass
What happens when you don't read
random magnet
Not even atomic dog can handle endless
I wonder if I can somehow increase the damage furthur or skill builds just sucks ass in endless
They have to add like a skill blacksmith or something
time to play shotgun dog before they buff skill builds
How do you even compete with weapons when they get blacksmith, potentially perfect respec on top of what skill builds have
after a certain point theres no way to increase damage
carmine ermine
Don't say that Atomic Dog can't handle something.
The devs might hear you...
random magnet
yeah let them hear me
sacred hedge
Is the dragon breath able to roll crit gemini?
random magnet
i love atomic dog you kidding me
random magnet
dev plz buff
sacred hedge
No
That’s unfortunate
I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong but dragon breath just feels underwhelming to me
random magnet
I feel that way about every explosion weapon
I litearlly only use them for supplement for skill builds
out of cards? shoot the box with the canon
carmine ermine
sits down at a campfire in a creepy forest in the middle of the night
"2 years had passed since the start of the whole sinister deed, set to slowly corrupt the whole world one piece at a time. However, legends say that they cannot be stopped, merely sleeping until someone chants the mantra of insanity over and over again once more. 'Atomic Bomb sucks! Atomic Bomb sucks!'"
random magnet
it kicks ass at the start, once we get half way through the first endless cycle it start to suck
You know I cried about the scaling, maybe its not the scaling its the build
versed fox
Its the game not being designed for endless
random magnet
yeah but did they ever think about skill builds for endless?
blacksmith is there for weapons
what about skills
plz buff
carmine ermine
yeah but did they ever think about skill builds for endless?
No they didn't.
Because the game is not designed for endless.
random magnet
skill builds are like 90% of my existence
bad day for believers
lets see if we get a hot fix tomorrow
versed fox
Hot fix to remove endless? I’m in
carmine ermine
Agreed.
versed fox
Its not like ror2 at all
carmine ermine
It's almost as if this game isn't RoR2.
versed fox
That means nothing
versed fox
Ror2 loops work because items infinitely stack
Ascensions and scrolls are finite, on top of all of the other issues plaguing the game
carmine ermine
cry and moan, thats all we can do
And cope, and rage. You forgot those two.
versed fox
Seethe
versed fox
Endless shows the bandaid approach of the devs
random magnet
without them going through my brain
I can see why they do it, since the part where you start to oneshot everything is the most satisfying
but endless overstay its welcome quickly
with the time limit you are kind of just urnning through things then backtrack
versed fox
Poorly designed character? Give it a bunch of blessings. People too op? Bandaid limits because they haven’t addressed the 2-year problem of needless buffs, and won’t
random magnet
yeah id rather have a few very rare multitive buffs then like 90 additive ones
the only multi one i think its lei luo?
versed fox
I can see why they do it, since the part where you start to oneshot everything i...
There’s a difference between being op when a game is designed around it or having to work for it, or gunfire’s case where it’s too easy to get to mind-numbing gameplay on the hardest difficulty and it’s only getting worse
random magnet
i agree on the numbers part
I only like this game for its diverse builds and skill trees
if they are just cranking numbers up I don't feel the fun anymore
3 endless games sucked the soul out of me
time to play robo quest
sacred hedge
I think my biggest problem with the game is the lack of different maps
sacred hedge
Like you mentioned ror and roboquest
random magnet
its nature of rougelikes
Binding of isaac does a really good job on that
simplistic as it is
sacred hedge
If those games only had 1 route of maps you could take I would have dropped them on the spot
random magnet
I love rougelike genre so I don't feel as much burnout
variety for me its all about what I can do
not much about what im going up against
sacred hedge
That’s also a big appeal of rogue likes for me
random magnet
wizard of legend, rift wizard, etc
yeah thats fair
everyone has their likings
enemy and map variety has always been a thing of judge in gaming
mmo, souls like and whatnot
I remember playing nioh 1 and got so burnout by the 200 side quests with the same enemies in the same map over andd over
but nioh has great combat so I kept playing
same with rougelikes, if theres one highlight its usually able to cover the flaws for me
at the end of the day perfect game doesnt exist
even elden ring has reskinned stuff over and over
on my way to fight the 4th reskinned tree guardian
if they spend more time on maps maybe we are only gonna get 2 skill trees
only so much resources and manpower
sacred hedge
The thing about gunfire compared to me is that the game just doesn’t really do much to diversify the game for since the game just becomes a dopamine simulator and is all about big numbers while forcing a braindead build
random magnet
oh yeah, i get that
at the end of the day if you build doesnt do enough damage its not gonna be fun
sacred hedge
Like with elden ring and blood borne, I always enjoys trying out a new weapon and creating a route to get it as efficiently as possible without cheating and learning how to properly distribute stats and how to use the weapon to its max potential
Most of the weapons I try do good enough damage to the point that I don’t one shot the bosses but I’m not beating them with a wet noodle
random magnet
I just enjoy the cosplaying aspect rather than beating the game as effiencient as possible
sacred hedge
Oh I’m all for fashion souls as well
sacred hedge
Honestly I go for both during my playthroughs
sacred hedge
I feel ya man
random magnet
damn the gif did not go through
Alright goodnight
or good morning
whatever
sacred hedge
Anyways tl;dr I beat gluttony for the first time today and I don’t know what he does
carmine ermine
Yep. That's the state of the game.
"Oh look, a new enemy! I bet they've got some cool gimmick-"
kills it in 1 shot
"Nevermind."
random magnet
That’s most roguelike/lite endgame though
That’s also where you get extremely bored, so understandable
I enjoy the way to becoming a god more
silver drift
Anyways tl;dr I beat gluttony for the first time today and I don’t know what he ...
well, you've figured out one thing he does
he dies
carmine ermine
That’s most roguelike/lite endgame though
That's also when Gunfire Reborn has given enemies unique extra stuff in R9.
You one-shot them anyway, wasting the efforts of who gave it to them.
sacred hedge
That’s most roguelike/lite endgame though
It usually depends on the power you get during the run of roguelikes
random magnet
I mean I still don’t know what the tentacles do in tboi
And I have 3000 hours in that game
silver drift
tboi?
random magnet
Isaac
sacred hedge
Like in dead cells for example, for most runs you pretty much need to learn what the final boss of 5BC does
random magnet
Enter the gungeon is another great one
God I love that game to death
I would kill someone for an expansion
I’m serious
Throw exit the gungeon in the trash
Make me an expansion
Whatever
How do you guys think the game should be balanced then
If you are the dev
random magnet
Your advices are mostly about longevity
But in a marketing perspective, a rush in dopamine that lasts for about 100 hours is a pretty good deal to draw people in
I know I’m satisfied with my purchase
silver drift
I'm just here for the ride man
sure I'll complain about balance changes
but I'm a league player, it's what we do
silver drift
😭
silver drift
random magnet
Honestly after 200 games people are gonna move on, I suspect a small percentage actually stays
carmine ermine
How do you guys think the game should be balanced then
Significantly reduce the power of many blessings, reduce the power of most DLC heroes so they're only slightly better and not in a league of their own, change how most bizarre dream modifiers work so they're either mostly buff or mostly nerf, and then reduce the effectiveness of some things on enemies, such as enhancements on elites.
That's just a generalized start.
There are a bazillion smaller little nerfs and buffs to weak and strong things besides that.
random magnet
I suspect it’s the Chinese pay to win culture ever so slightly
If the dlc hero are not stronger no one buys them
It’s all about money jermaGrin
carmine ermine
Oh and I'd also mark the higher Reincarnation levels as "Danger, experienced players only unless you want to cry. No, we will not listen to complaints about difficulty."
random magnet
I don’t even know what I’m taking about, I’m so sleepy I’m basically on cbd
Gotta sleep
silver drift
Oh and I'd also mark the higher Reincarnation levels as "Danger, experienced pla...
yes, based
sacred hedge
Oh and I'd also mark the higher Reincarnation levels as "Danger, experienced pla...
Higher reincarnation levels are more interesting anyways
I genuinely think that reincarnation 1 is the easiest difficulty in the game due to how strong blessings are
somber summit
Seems like everyone is crying that endless is too hard, try piercing flame monkey. Trust me, i hit stage 100+ with it
trim swan
not really, on the endless is too hard part
it honestly breaks the game even more because of the recycle bonus
I just recently got over 2.1 billion as my highest damage because of endless so yeah, pretty easy tbh
somber summit
It doesnt, dmg is capped at 10/15mil anyways
trim swan
it's capped but you can bypass it pretty easily
tidal kernel
endless goes crazy
trim swan
tidal kernel
man i can't imagine getting past 50 even with a full party
trim swan
we were actually on out way to get 70+
and I had them hold on brb in the rest area before we entered so we can keep the timer on hold
but the timer bugged out and went to 0 minutes when we had like 2 mins and 15 seconds left, it wasn't going off or anything
tidal kernel
Yeah enemy spawn times screwed our run as we lost a bunch of time waiting for them to drop in
trim swan
oof
tidal kernel
Could've had a whole minute of extra time for us to beat this act
trim swan
act 4 is stupid if tou don't have a lot of aoe damage
thunder stalkers just keep teleporting
tidal kernel
Yeah that ended my first endless run, we just kept bursting the clones unintentionally
We got really split around the end as half of us were lagging behind trying our best to kill the stragglers our burst carries didn't see
trim swan
oof
sudden crown
@tulip steppe people want 'actual' endless, because of stupid 'rogulikes must have endless/looping mode' trope
random magnet
How come no one wants to play spiritual assault
I love that mode
in queue for 20 minutes
sudden crown
how does one dodge gluttonys sucky attack explosion?
twin sierra
@sudden crown well the promt says to hide and he drops rocks so i assume i hide behind them
sudden crown
i was behind a rock, but ig Lei is too fat
twin sierra
U cant be tok far back
sudden crown
tok?
glad solar
anyone else having an issue where the enemies on multiplayer feel so much tankier?
ik they have hp scaling but yesterday when me and my bud did r9 we had little to no issue
but now everythying feels so fucking tanky
glad solar
me and my bud just tried to remove endless and things seem to be dying faster, i wonder if the endless difficulty shit is leaking in when it's not active yet?
tulip steppe
huh, easiest check is miasma against same enemy with/without endless
glad solar
can try with crown prince after this run
trim swan
Crown Prince with Painkiller
random magnet
Actually the dragonbreath is pretty good
remind me of sniper in ror2
Gonna try it out in this playthrough
Wait how does it work with dualwield?
Do I still need to charge it manually?
the bar isn't even there
Nothing on the wiki
sudden crown
altanna didnt get to testing it yet
random magnet
ok nvm
it act as if you fail the charge
so therefore I don't think you get the penetration
spice forum
altanna didnt get to testing it yet
Or you know you just look into #gunfire-videos
random magnet
does the penetration do anything in terms of single target though?
if not I don't think it would be that big of a deal
spice forum
It doesnt penetrate it hits the first target
Then does a massive aoe
random magnet
yeah I'm talking about the penetration after you charge the bar
Shit I didn't read the exclusive inscriptions
I don't know if it will be better than tiger canon
spice forum
Yes
And the Penetrate doesnt cause any other Aoe
its just that it goes through the first target
Nothing more
random magnet
Its a railgun I love it
back to gaming
bruh I ran out of ammo
I shouldn't have use 2 launchers
sudden crown
ahh
random magnet
I’m really surprised by how good this game handles performance, it ran in the background paused for about 30 minutes now on max settings but the fans and the heat seem completely normal
Maybe it’s because of the small level rendering
twin sierra
Thats bc the game can be ran on a potato probably
sudden crown
took ya long enough
random magnet
holy shit
If you dual wield 2 dragon breaths they have the same recharge bar
Time to make something happen
Hope I get good rolls in 3
Holy fuck the 4 elite flame throwers almost ended the run
the dash to heal 50% damage scroll saved my ass like 8 times
random magnet
holy shit
trail trout
Literally if timed perfectly, u get penetration bullet or smth
random magnet
I spent like 5 minutes in the vault hitting the boss
and doing 1 damage
I thought the game was bugged
then I read the challenge and it says I have to get in the 12 meters radius to do damage
twin sierra
U seem to have a lot of problems reading
random magnet
I turn my brain off when I play games most of the time
It’s pretty much just “me see enemy me shoot and do big damage”
I bought rimworld and all the expansions and I didn’t even touch it since because there were too many stuff on UI in the tutorial
Same with project zomboid, civilization, stellaris, these games are probably so fun if you play them sober
But I can’t do i
random magnet
uh I have a question, can you get the mag fixed to 1 gemini on launchers?
I tried to pick up different weapons but none of them seem to allow me to reroll 1 mag on a launcher
if that doesnt work I will have to go shared mag
pastel peak
I'm pretty sure weapons that already have a mag size of 1 can't get that gemini
random magnet
shit
pastel peak
don't quote me on that tho
random magnet
Man i want to dual wield dragon breath so bad
Can we have experts confirm this
wait I can't even go shared mag if im doing double launcher
thats gonna be 2 stacks max
pastel peak
what build are you trying?
random magnet
I was gonna dual wield dragon breath with dog
and get fixed to 1 mag on both dragon breaths
pastel peak
for the lucky shot chance?
random magnet
yeah, and the reload damage
I don't think any other gemini is useful if im playing this build
well I'm gonna keep trying
pastel peak
depending on your rof maybe spores?
spice forum
launchers can
random magnet
with what weapon type
spice forum
But some inscriptions block certain geminis
pastel peak
oh really
random magnet
yeah thats what im saying
spice forum
shows all the geminis that are currently not available for the weapon
spice forum
can you post a pic of the weapon ?
round thunder
dragon breath can only have element share and spore for some reason
spice forum
Dragons breath cant get it
round thunder
I rolled it 6 times and it only cycled between element and spore 
spice forum
Element share
spice forum
If this is your main weapon then grab a corrosive weapon
random magnet
does element share even do anything
spice forum
The laser glove aint doing enething
random magnet
if im doing dualwield
spice forum
With this nothing really
random magnet
spice forum
Elemental Share does share the advantage with the other weapon and the element effect
random magnet
It's over
spice forum
..
You just need to grab another weapon
You are simply element sharing the worst weapon to it
Element share gives the other weapon the % chance to trigger the other weapons elemental effect and the bonus ( corrosive again armor , lightning against shield and fire against health)
So the laser glove ( IIRC ) has only 5% element effect
random magnet
I knew I should've gone shotgun dog
I was offered merciless combo right off the bat
I had the element share gemini on another dragonbreath but I sold it
spice forum
Right now your DB has per hit a 25% roll to cause burn and a second 5% roll to cause burn
random magnet
because I thought I could get 1 mag gemini by having different weapons
spice forum
No
You simply took the one launcher it cant get rolled on
Which doesnt work because of its unique fire mechanism
ROF doesnt affect it
random magnet
Yeah I imagine so, I don't think my reload ascension work on it
spice forum
and Reload only makes the reload zone lager towards the back or the bar
Reload does something
but it doesnt make it faster
Just less room for error
But if you always get the reload bar on the beginning then it does truly nothing
random magnet
well can't do the oneshot tiger canon strat on dragon breath
guess i will take the useless element share
spice forum
Bro
Thats the opposite of useless
Just get a different weapon for it
That thing has TONS of base dmg
random magnet
So I can't do double launcher?
random magnet
so double launcher and element share
random magnet
I mean I had it but It didn't do very much
So I sold the other one
oh well im playing endless so theres always another chance
If I live to tell the tale that is
already revived once
Alright let me try it out
ivory parrot
altanna didnt get to testing it yet
Altanna probably won't get to testing (/s probably)
He'll just look at what we say and take our word for it 
round thunder
This is pure mockery and just another argument as to why the timer is utter bullshit
carmine ermine
Altanna probably won't get to testing (/s probably)
Pretty much. Despite new things, I have virtually no desire to play.
I guess that's what happens when every update doubles down on the problems you keep pointing out.
Even ignoring the endless mode this update, they, for absolutely 0 reason, absolutely none at all, buffed the elemental pulse scrolls.
somber summit
They should atleast remove the dmg cap so we can see funny numbers again
random magnet
The damage is pretty good
But I can't tell if it is elemental share or scrolls doing work
gonna continue tomorrow
still don't have dual blade though
somber summit
15mil as dmg cap is way to low (yes with combustion shit you can get a bit higher but still way to low)
carmine ermine
The powercreep flows...
Give it a year, people will probably say a 300 mil cap is too low.
random magnet
Just make everything broken so nothing is broken
somber summit
Give it a year, people will probably say a 300 mil cap is too low.
Already is lol, just remove it as a whole
somber summit
Just make everything broken so nothing is broken
Basicly the current state of the game
random magnet
put shaped glass in the game, add a bunch of void enemies
carmine ermine
Just make everything broken so nothing is broken
That is what some people call a "win simulator".
No substance, just flashing lights, big numbers and "Victory" signs pasted everywhere.
somber summit
Just like bl3
carmine ermine
Would barely be a game at that point.
carmine ermine
Next update he'd get removed.
Can't have something that remotely challenges players.
somber summit
Wont do shit tbh, shoot him twice and all ur stuff is back
And i can just skip his phase like im doing with the current bosses
random magnet
with broken runs yeah
carmine ermine
All runs devolve into broken runs.
somber summit
Every run is broken
carmine ermine
Unless you deliberately pick the stupid choices.
random magnet
if you go into lunar portal every level you can get there every run
somber summit
Doesnt change a thing.
random magnet
talking about just regular eclipse 8 runs no lunar
carmine ermine
Once you bend this far backward for casual players, nothing you do will please them and add challenge to the game at the same time.
random magnet
I think one limiting factor is the map
carmine ermine
Anything they try to add will immediately get reacted by backlash if it becomes even slightly difficult.
random magnet
its too small you can't dodge around too much
somber summit
Just to prove how broken the game is: when enemies have 102% dr i still onehit them
random magnet
when you have half of the map filled with enemies how are you gonna keep buffing them without the player being straight up annailated
somber summit
Nuking them in one hit solves everything
carmine ermine
Devs can only buff enemies in ways that would piss people off, by now.
random magnet
yeah thats mid to late game though
carmine ermine
Anything else, players will annihilate the enemies.
somber summit
yeah thats mid to late game though
About 2-3 is where everything is onehit
random magnet
its all about surival not damage
somber summit
Before that you only need 2 braincells to win, after that you can have -2 and still win
carmine ermine
Damage is survival.
somber summit
its all about surival not damage
Dmg = survival
random magnet
damage should be reduced for players
carmine ermine
Enemies can't kill you if they're dead.
carmine ermine
damage should be reduced for players
That's what the DMG resistance in endless is.
People still kill them instantly.
somber summit
its pretty much I oneshot them or they oneshot me
How will they hit you if they arent there
carmine ermine
As I said, the only thing that can stop players at this point are things that would piss them off.
Like those invincibility shields.
random magnet
well you can't kill the entire screen with one shot
violet oxide
Give it a year, people will probably say a 300 mil cap is too low.
461 million is too low
somber summit
461 million is too low
670mil is my record
carmine ermine
well you can't kill the entire screen with one shot
You pretty much can.
somber summit
well you can't kill the entire screen with one shot
You can very easily
random magnet
not starting off
somber summit
not starting off
Yes.
Pick overconsumption and for example thundernemesis on lei luo and ur done
Little bit of t&g and magical supply and its a wrap
Spores is another great example
You can get spores in 1-2
My bad, forgot to mention nona with shoulder turrets
random magnet
I only struggle with tanky enemies or undying elites early, I aggre mid to late game is a wrap
carmine ermine
Nona exists.
somber summit
Nona *exists*.
Exactly, you dont even need to press buttons
somber summit
I die so many times to the undying explosions dudes
Certified skill issue here lol
random magnet
in small rooms theres litearlly no room to dodge
somber summit
How does one die to immortal explosions 
carmine ermine
Act 1 is probably the only place where there can even be an attempt at the game being difficult.
But like the rest of the run, that's only if you pick the stupid choices.
random magnet
when theres like 2 or 3 of these summoners and you don't one hit them in time and have no speed
somber summit
in small rooms theres litearlly no room to dodge
There is no small room where you cant dodge
All the small rooms only have like 3 enemies
ivory parrot
How does one die to immortal explosions <:princecri:761278486224437258>
Oh i got a story
Yesterday I was act 1-2
and there was the demonic aura last stand
and an immortal spearman (R9)
bro kamikazed
I couldn't outrun him and I was low hp cuz my playstyle is pretty reckless
random magnet
I think I picked the thing that gives them a 40% speed boost
they just run at me full speed and I couldn't run
its like a straight line at act 3
Don't know how the hell you get out of that one
somber summit
Skill issue that you cant dodge frame perfect
Not even frame perfect btw, you can break their ankles pretty easily
carmine ermine
Don't even need frame perfect dodging.
Just let them walk up to you.
Then when they start self-destructing, dash backwards.
random magnet
It's that straight line room
somber summit
Just let them walk up to you.
Even better, walk up to them it fucks their AI
somber summit
Touch their face real quick and dodge back and they wont hit you
carmine ermine
Hug them in a circle to the right.
random magnet
when they have the challenge that slows you when they break your armor
random magnet
i mean its hard to do when they spawn in 4 in the center of the room
and im not fast enough to get far
carmine ermine
Then run away from them without cornering yourself.
somber summit
At this point i know 99% of the spawn locations in rooms for every enemy so you can start at a distance
random magnet
I only die to things with very specific combination now, but I haven't gotton that good yet
carmine ermine
And you play on R9, right?
carmine ermine
So you're not that good at the game, and yet you only die to specific things on the hardest difficulty.
Mmm... smells like powercreep.
random magnet
I mean its all about damage
carmine ermine
When people can mostly tear apart the biggest challenge in the game without even being very skilled.
random magnet
its only the challenges where people get in your face thats hard
somber summit
The only challenge thats actually annoying is a room where every enemy becomes a horsehead after dying
Especially annoying in vaults
random magnet
what does that mean
carmine ermine
Powercreep is when newer stuff is stronger than the older stuff, resulting in the average levels of power in a game getting higher over time.
random magnet
and what does that mean in this context
carmine ermine
It means players keep getting buffed.
Enemies do not.
This makes the game easier and easier over time.
random magnet
I'm fucked up most of the time when I engage in online convos, either drunk or high, so could you explain it in idiot language
carmine ermine
A conversation about powercreep.
somber summit
We have these semi frequently
Sometimes stuff gets extra saucy and we make our own patchnotes wich are very balanced
random magnet
heres my patchnotes
make rooms 2000% bigger
add in void enemies
reduce player damage
give enemies hyper armor
somber summit
Lemme find some stuff @carmine ermine and i cooked up
random magnet
imagine this game ror2 style
id want that
and imagine ror2 with skills trees like these
somber summit
#1055550986292297838 message
random magnet
a guy can dream
somber summit
Enjoy what we cooked up
random magnet
seeker of storm coming out
cant wait for it
lets see if shadow of erdtree is gonna be faster
oh shit
didnt the remasterd come out?
oh shit
yeah fuck this im playing the remastered
random magnet
Holy shit they fixed the 2 worst part of the game
now its perfect
I have to finish the dragon breath run now
molten agate
What are people doing for corrupted saves? My save is absolute 0, in terms of size (0 kb). Not sure if I want to really go through getting to level 122 again
random magnet
cheat engine edit soul essence
you need to find the correct value though
otherwise it resets
I played on mobile for a few months to grind to 188, i sure as hell won't do it again
mighty belfry
productive day
just need to uh
beat both monarch and gluttony in one run
thats going to be painful
molten agate
cheat engine edit soul essence
hmm, okay ill look into it
random magnet
Thanksgiving break is over
honestly lucky enough to get 3 days
Back to the office
Man don't know if I can go back to touch screen now where half of the screen is clustered with buttons and you can't even play the game without autofire on
and good luck hiding a controller in the workplace
dire jolt
random magnet
That’s me baby
Can’t wait to drink 3 gallons of water to sober up for work tomorrow
That’s what I call a “piss up a storm maneuver”
Has 95% success rate, the other 5% you call in sick
sudden crown
if i take para and FnB from interdependant fortunes, enemies will have 1 hp?
sudden crown
ok
somber summit
Might be a good pick in endless
somber summit
Y not?
tulip steppe
enemies gets a revive
somber summit
Oh yeah, i thought as a scroll for urself
But lifesaver, spirit feline, lightless shield and triple comback is a no go for me
tulip steppe
makes sense
exotic drift
what's you guys' highest endless stage?
tulip steppe
88
exotic drift
my friend just crashed at ~180
tulip steppe
makes sense
somber summit
Ima push the game to 1000 over multiple days to set the record once and for all
exotic drift
yeah
tulip steppe
fair
somber summit
To be fair from stage 20 and above everything feels the same
tulip steppe
have you tried another build btw?
edgy lodge
but I has news for endless players
I pushed the limits of Endless and 1000 currently is no where near possible
somber summit
have you tried another build btw?
Tried owl cards wich was aight but wasnt anything fancy
somber summit
The game WILL set you at 149 if you choose to have a break
Guess ill have a long sit
somber summit
Ill see, my game always does funny things that arent supposed to be possible
exotic drift
and so a rivalry was born
somber summit
have you tried another build btw?
Most builds arent viable btw
edgy lodge
What build did you do Pie?
somber summit
and so a rivalry was born
It really isnt lol i just wanna see funny number
edgy lodge
same haha
somber summit
What build did you do Pie?
Piercing flame monkey
somber summit
Got my 1 trillion dmg wich was cool
somber summit
was that you?
If he is named pie guy then yep
somber summit
One of the only other viable characters
edgy lodge
yeah
The enemies scale to a point that any other character can't keep up
the time is the only problem
tulip steppe
now do it with Bird 
edgy lodge
somber summit
I think piercing flame is a bit better cuz it can bypass the cap a bit easier by doing 1quadrillion+ dmg wich bugs that game
Bugs it in a good way
edgy lodge
yeah
reason I got to 180 was because I had to use a cheese build XD
it dont work on bosses
tulip steppe
give them Para
edgy lodge
they are gonna tone down endless at some point
somber summit
If you got to 180 it clearly works
edgy lodge
it crashed after 180 but the cheese build works
it gets to a point that Card DPS will eventually kill bosses quicker if you have the right scrolls
somber summit
Im home in 2hrs so ill get to testing then
tulip steppe
oki
edgy lodge
Extravagant Consumption, Dual Edge, Enduring Caster, Elite Assassin (all enhanced) damage
Spirit Feline for survivability
and any other defense scrolls
I have save files backed up so I might try and psuh 180
but the game gives up at 180
Last screenshot I got, before I got a unity crash at 180 :(
somber summit
Oh yeah, i bugged extrav consumption and it gave me 60k stacks wich was zesty
edgy lodge
yummy yummy
me when I buy everything from the peddler only to recycle it in front of him for more cash
edgy lodge
Managed to get to a point where every gun I bought was +57
I might vc in this discord and share screen for people because I have saves backed up
later on
exotic drift
Last screenshot I got, before I got a unity crash at 180 :(
10 pixels because your stream was kinda spazzing out
sudden crown
finally killed gluttony
edgy lodge
yo nice you got my screenshot :)
I was showing a friend my gameplay in vc, must have took photo for me XD
Well, yeah I am gonna go in to general voice at some point later and screen share how mental this current patch endless is
gives me a break from Spiritual Assault, I tried pushing for level 60 but I don't think it is physically possible
spice forum
"Mom , can we get "OP Sniper Monkey Build" ?"
"No , we have "OP Sniper Monkey Build" at home"
The "OP Sniper Monkey Build" at home :
Starting a run and I dont say no to make shift solutions
twin sierra
Irene with a bunny yesterday who got us to stage sixty before I crash
He didn't have unfettered will or dual edge he ran Rate of fire didn't even use spores
tulip steppe
i doubt spore does much in endless
twin sierra
When he crashed he had almost six hundred billion
I tried your money build yesterday it sucked
tulip steppe
money?
twin sierra
If you don't get an early dual edge your weapon damage can't scale enough
The blades cap at 20k
tulip steppe
no?
twin sierra
Yes
Against bosses
tulip steppe
thats ice blades.
twin sierra
U had ice blades
spice forum
Ice blades and Giant Slayer are bad anyway
tulip steppe
sure, but the blades do +1mil per hit
spice forum
they dont scale with the hp past normal mode
twin sierra
No
tulip steppe
Ice blades and Giant Slayer are bad anyway
ice blade is uncapped against normal enemies
spice forum
Yes normal enemies
somber summit
Ice blades and Giant Slayer are bad anyway
Yes but no, giantslayer bugs out in endless quite frequently and deals way more dmg than it should be doing
somber summit
Exactly, if it works as intended its pretty ass
spice forum
And Ice blades and giant slayer CAP against elites and bosses
making them virtually useless
spice forum
And for you it caps at 20k against bosses and elites due to lone wolf
ICe blade scales with player count
4 players = 4 x 5000 dmg
20k
tulip steppe
yeah, they shit against that
edgy lodge
Lone Wolf puts a player count
when using it, the game will scale as if it is 2-4 players, depends what ya choose
spice forum
And effects like Ice blade take those scalings
sudden crown
lone wolf just scales enemy damage and elite spawns
spice forum
With 1 player and no Lone wolf its even worse
tulip steppe
only used Ice blade because nothing better was offered.
spice forum
5k is sneezing with a distant non crit foundry hit at that point
edgy lodge
and for endless, you will get to a point you outscale the bosses
the bosses health cap at 2147483600 precisely (the offspring and Lu Wu will have double that)
it is at like round 70 it does that
sudden crown
and for endless, you will get to a point you outscale the bosses
the bosses heal...
is that 32 int limit?
sudden crown
to avoid crashes id guess
somber summit
I will hit 1billion dmg in one hit
edgy lodge
but then if you have dual edge, extravagant consumption, elite assassin and ENHANCED enduring caster (If you have skill build) (also surprise bonus and untold effort is nice for Zi Xiao)
edgy lodge
my last bunny, star devourer gang
edgy lodge
Like I said I will demonstrate how unstable the game is at 149-180 in general vc later if yous want
I have the save still
somber summit
https://i.imgur.com/iayjFJ3.png
Neat
spice forum
yay
edgy lodge
I think I might try the bunny coupled with the hilarious cheese build at some point to just see how much the game can really take
somber summit
Like I said I will demonstrate how unstable the game is at 149-180 in general vc...
Ill get there myself after 2 painfull hrs of gameplay
tulip steppe
VC party later then
somber summit
Almost
edgy lodge
VC party later then
I am down! I am a bit shy tho, have speaking problems in front of new people
spice forum
I mean its the tomb
tulip steppe
I think I might try the bunny coupled with the hilarious cheese build at some po...
do you mean give them para?
spice forum
not gonna get more rolls that that
somber summit
Ill join vc party
edgy lodge
yeah
edgy lodge
do you mean give them para?
Is it just ice blade and such for the bunny then for the sword DPS?
yeeee
a win is a win haha
tulip steppe
ice blade does nothing
edgy lodge
oh soot forgor
tulip steppe
don't bother
edgy lodge
shoot*
edgy lodge
https://i.imgur.com/uYpPQrj.gif
I just mean the DPS shown there haha
just wondering what I need because I wanna push the game to its knees with that specifically ngl
if ya dont mind
tulip steppe
edgy lodge
to avoid crashes id guess
game crashes eventually, like CoD Zombie and such
edgy lodge
oh epic!
what about scrolls?
tulip steppe
that wassent final
edgy lodge
ah I see
tulip steppe
edgy lodge
Holy Cannoli haha
edgy lodge
My ZI Xiao build could shred bosses but not as quick as that it seems lol
rare marlin
Hey guys I just purchased this game today and its totally the type of game I like but I wanted to know i the dlc is worth the buy as well
tulip steppe
wish i had longer Shadowplay, missed to clip Gluttony shield insta death
edgy lodge
Hey guys I just purchased this game today and its totally the type of game I lik...
DLC is worth it
rare marlin
Thank you
spice forum
Its 4 characters you are missing out on and some weapons
edgy lodge
wish i had longer Shadowplay, missed to clip Gluttony shield insta death
yeah gluttony is painful like that
definitely gonna try the bunny out
get her set up
combine with ultimate cheese strat
gonna push the very limits of this game lol
rare marlin
Dang I kinda wish they had the option to make the dlc one bundle to buy instead of buying them separately
tulip steppe
i think you wanna try the monkey PF, as it actually 1 shots monarch and gluttony, skipping all phases (sometimes=?)
edgy lodge
i think you wanna try the monkey PF, as it actually 1 shots monarch and gluttony...
it does? noice
what is the build if you dont mind me asking?
because I wanna break this game lol
edgy lodge
@somber summit able to provide me?
somber summit
Works pretty consistent up to stage 30 ish
somber summit
<@532235429223727104> able to provide me?
Ill find a clip real quick
edgy lodge
nice man
my point of skill in this run is all boss focused, as I know the fastest way to progress basic levels and elites
spice forum
Nap time
somber summit
tulip steppe
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055550986292297838/1177225511244681238/g...
thats the good one
edgy lodge
can you tell me the scroll/ascension pls?
if that ain't trouble?
I did see ur clip on youtube and did try to recreate it with a friend haha
edgy lodge
ah right so it is all buff the weapon
and ik you need the sniper, but is the 2nd gun shotgun?
somber summit
can you tell me the scroll/ascension pls?
if that ain't trouble?
Phantom strike (i think its called that) is also very important
edgy lodge
that is the blessing that combines the guns with primary rught?
spice forum
Dimensional Strike if you mean the Blessing pie
somber summit
Dimensional Strike if you mean the Blessing pie
Also, but im talking about the ascension that makes cudgel hit more times on an enemy
edgy lodge
Dimensional Strike if you mean the Blessing pie
ah I see
edgy lodge
Also, but im talking about the ascension that makes cudgel hit more times on an ...
ohhhhh
spice forum
Unstoppable Phantom
somber summit
that is the blessing that combines the guns with primary rught?
Want it all is also a must for stage nuking, you will be fine without its just slower since ur lakcing aoe
spice forum
Unstoppable Phantom is for Multi Hit
Dimenstional Strike is the blessing on the far left in your screen
edgy lodge
I have this on a 2nd save file, but sacrificed my save for this
edgy lodge
Unstoppable Phantom is for Multi Hit
Dimenstional Strike is the blessing on the ...
yeee oki
edgy lodge
I have this on a 2nd save file, but sacrificed my save for this
149 quit, sadly didnt get a 180 screenshot, the game will not let you save your run past 148
somber summit
I have this on a 2nd save file, but sacrificed my save for this
240min im in for a ride (prob will take me 2.5hrs)
edgy lodge
240min<:princecri:761278486224437258> im in for a ride (prob will take me 2.5hr...
probs will be quicker
gonna combine your Monkey nuke build with the rainbow cheese build
are scrolls massively vital for this?
and what is your 2nd gun?
somber summit
probs will be quicker
gonna combine your Monkey nuke build with the rainbow chee...
Rainbow
edgy lodge
Rainbow gaming 😎
somber summit
are scrolls massively vital for this?
and what is your 2nd gun?
Any launcher with corrosive element
I hate rainbow
edgy lodge
you need it 😔
somber summit
Only time i use rainbow is when im speedrunning (without spores)
somber summit
you need it 😔
Why?
edgy lodge
use that backup weapon slots to your advantage :sunglasees:
somber summit
Emote fail
edgy lodge
Emote fail
somber summit
I love that emote lol
edgy lodge
check DMs in a sec
@somber summit am I ok to know what your 2nd gun is for the monkey build? and if I need to level both guns?
also what scrolls are vital?
somber summit
Sure
edgy lodge
I dont mind if you tell here or DMs
rare marlin
Damn 2nd run I ever made I ran into the 2nd boss and I wanna know how you can dodge that sand blast attack he spams
or I guess you would call it some sort of beam attack
sudden crown
old photo, but strat still the same
sudden crown
and dont be too far
rare marlin
okay
sudden crown
worst case, just dodge through it
rare marlin
Im usually a keyboard and mouse player but would it be better to play with controller?
sudden crown
im kbm player as well
rare marlin
Okay bet I love the game so far and can totally see myself always doing that "one more run cycle" but damn the only con I feel is that some of these enemies will legit kill you within 2-3 seconds with no time to react to the hits or be able to dodge
I got lucky with my 2nd run and had the item to revive myself 3 times
Otherwise I probably wouldn't have gone as far as I did in my last run
trim swan
I have this on a 2nd save file, but sacrificed my save for this
may I ask to see what scrolls you had for that, I got robbed of going past 70 because the game timer bugged out to 0 when we were in the waiting area
edgy lodge
may I ask to see what scrolls you had for that, I got robbed of going past 70 be...
will have to load up my 2nd file later and I will show you and tell you which ones are pretty important
I will DM don;t worry
trim swan
thanks
round thunder
i swtg RE9 is the antithesis of fun why did they have to limit endless to that difficulty?
trim swan
because the devs hate us
tulip steppe
@somber summit you on?
somber summit
ye
tulip steppe
VC?
somber summit
sure
wind dragon
Wierd stream things
edgy lodge
gonna start a new run, cant join vc tho sorry
random magnet
hmmmm
my brain is doing all kind of calculations
I got the furious flame fusion as crown prince
I was gonna do a share element run with the pistol
now maybe I turn this into fire damage and do shared mag with big hippo
Ok what If I convert the aura of venom pistol into fire damage with spirtual link?
do i loss damage somehow or its like a flawless conversion
shit I can't even do that
Can I turn the aura of venom into normal damage somehow?
twin sierra
No
random magnet
oh man but I need to proc combustion reliablely not relying on the 2 second cd blessing
Will have to go with the pistol shotgun and shared element
Just so I'm clear, shared element only affects proc chances right?
if I have like 500%+ fire damage its not gonna suddenly switch to corrosion damage if it hits armor
tulip steppe
gonna start a new run, cant join vc tho sorry
join and mute yourself 
round thunder
Just so I'm clear, shared element only affects proc chances right?
I thought it gains the boni of both elements.
So if you shared fire onto a shock weapon it would gain both fire and shock damage boni.
Is that not the case?
random magnet
I don't know
spice forum
No
random magnet
I don't play with elements that much, its always shared mag, fixed mag
spice forum
It gains the benefit of shock and the % chance of the other weapon to deal shock effect
So a fire weapon with shock shared to it is now also effective against shields and can shock
they cant get bonus from lightning elemental bonus and fire elemental bonus
only fire
spice forum
No ?
round thunder
they cant get bonus from lightning elemental bonus and fire elemental bonus
Your example being when you share shock onto a fire weapon. Right?
Not fire onto a shock weapon.
spice forum
shock into fire
round thunder
Ah okay, just wanted to be sure.
spice forum
fire into shock would make the shock weapon better against flesh ( red hp)
spice forum
level 3 sucks anyways
Lvl 3 creates a grenade explosion on crit hit
This is identical to your nades
random magnet
yeah but I dont have skill dmage
spice forum
all bonus and ascensions
doesnt matter
free wide spread corrosion effect
nades are 100% chance for corrosion effect
random magnet
hmmmm
spice forum
and that in an aoe
random magnet
so I can save the element gimini and go for shared mag?
spice forum
if you have acid 3 you basically already have a corrosive share on you
random magnet
but thats 3 slots though
I got 2 good fusions
want to max out fire, wildfire, and elemental rage
twin sierra
Painkiller is reliable enough
random magnet
what is painkiller
blessing?
oh yeah thats the one i was talking about
I didn't like the 2 seconds cd
especially in endless shits are all over the place
twin sierra
It isnt really 2 seconds
random magnet
really?
twin sierra
Its 2 seconds per enemy
random magnet
oh
twin sierra
Yup
random magnet
hmmmm
twin sierra
Thats why on cat i use thunderstorm to spread painkiller
twin sierra
Use thunderstorm then fire tower for sub
Fire tower will melt bosses thunderstorms to clear rooms
edgy lodge
join and mute yourself <:CrownPrince_2:719384194609971251>
with frens so I can't talk, probably tomorrow :(
am starting my run tho, just frustrating XD
random magnet
ok so are the nades a constant corrosion effect?
if I proc burn on them they explode
twin sierra
U dont ueven use bades
exotic drift
with frens so I can't talk, probably tomorrow :(
am starting my run tho, just fr...
i wouldn't mind joining
twin sierra
Just use thunderstorm
random magnet
and I can do it again if they are in nades range
edgy lodge
i wouldn't mind joining
we have 1 friend who isn't in the discord and idk if he would join or not
exotic drift
just kidnap jay gg
edgy lodge
twin sierra
Level 1 is enough
twin sierra
U want pyro dom 3 asid dom 3 hex smoke 3
random magnet
no fucking way
help
Im locked in here
oh shit wrong door
holy shit I thought the run ended
we good
cbd brain
edible is kicking in
What about elemental rage?
is hex smoke damage multiplicative ?
round thunder
is hex smoke damage multiplicative ?
multiplicative to what?
random magnet
the increased damage they take in the smoke
round thunder
the increased damage they take in the smoke
yeah it is a separate multiplier to all others. Making it quite powerful
round thunder
generally as long as the boni have different names/descriptions they are multiplicative
twin sierra
Thats why i said acid dom 3
It procs hex smoke without using grenades
Pair with thunder storm and counter violence everything has hex smoke on i
somber summit
:0
random magnet
God I’m so high I can’t play the game
Time to watch some random Eric Andre clips
Morty let’s get fucked up morty
somber summit
God I’m so high I can’t play the game
never to high to play video games
random magnet
never to high to play video games
I mean we taking about cbd with the oh baby is it strong but what a match made in heaven
edgy lodge
I am going to redo my whole Zi Xiao run again
try something new
summer pelican
what does this mean
carmine ermine
It means those are her skills.