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[cobalt dock]

when you get deadly counter first at 132

[desert trout]

Me with extravagant consumption

[solemn onyx]

Does Veteran still stack if you're running Paranormality?

[desert trout]

I genuinely believe they purposely made it have a low drop rate

[desert trout]

Stacks still go up but ur hp is at 1 still

[solemn onyx]

kk thats all I need

i need Glazed Sight now

I haven't seen that at all yet

[desert trout]

Shows up very early or very late for me

Or in interdependent fortunes

[solemn onyx]

I move so fast that these jump vaults are actually hard af lol

[desert trout]

Suffering from success

[solemn onyx]

Playing hyper aggressive in ur face with my Goshawk so I can stack veteran lmao

never realy used this weapon but I might wit those rolls

[lucid nova]

Shrieker is way better in endless than goshawk

[solemn onyx]

goshawk aims for me and lets me just run forward

[lucid nova]

If you want that pick any full auto weapon with homing

[solemn onyx]

but goshawk is a sniper so higher crit x base then any other non sniper weapon

[lucid nova]

Does not matter

Since dmg is capped at 15mil it really doesnt do much in endless

Its the difference between hitting 15mil once a second or hitting it 30 times a second

[solemn onyx]

and I mean; its a pretty nice goshawk imo

[lucid nova]

Its aight

Trash for endless tho

[solemn onyx]

What weapon should I go for then? that has homing

[lucid nova]

Most smg's can get homing and most if not all the assault rifles so pick your favorite

AA, revealer, octopus, rainbow, demonlore, scalpel would be good picks of the top of my mind

[solemn onyx]

So someting like that?

enhanced paranormality, lesgooo

the red shield at the bottom left, is -% good? or bad lol

[desert trout]

Your damage resistance

Red means you take more dmg

Green means you take less

Get spirit feline asap

[solemn onyx]

I have it

[desert trout]

Oh thats good

[solemn onyx]

I have by now I believe almost all of the scrolls

[drifting path]

Hey will you be able to get the seasonal stuff later when it ends?

[solemn onyx]

what seasonal stuff?

[desert trout]

The acensions like thunder step

And the tasks

[solemn onyx]

ah

idk ifits just me but Thunder Step feels weak?

[desert trout]

Falls off deep into boundless or endless

But the dash cooldown and thunderous arcanum is amazing

[solemn onyx]

ye I like the dash cd reduction for sure

When you wanna stack up Veteran but ur lightning be off screening people ;-;

[desert trout]

This with ship boss octopus too 😭

[blazing summit]

Can thorny carapace trigger the soul strike after using essence chain x amount of timesif you get thorn mastery?

[solemn onyx]

I see stuff like this and wanna use it in pladce of goshawk but then the balls in reality are useless because things die instantly

[desert trout]

Feels like its able to i ran that last night

Saw clones going off even tho im on cooldown

May be misremembering tho and im unable to validate rn

[blazing summit]

Id assume that would also trigger temp weapon levels too?

[desert trout]

Yep since the chain went off

[blazing summit]

Although in boundless that seems insignificant in the long run

[desert trout]

Give it a go and let me know

Yeah wep levels for monke is for crit cudgel

[desert trout]

Balls and “50% dmg against enemies under x elemental effect” should swap rarities

[lucid nova]

decent, not that great

going to make a endlessweapon tierlist real quick

[solemn onyx]

hypu

ya the balls are nice early game but fall off imo when stuff just falls over

don't really get the use out of em

big green Aronist elite boss used to scare the fuck out of me. now it dies in one hit

the circle of life

[desert trout]

Deserved i hate that elite

[solemn onyx]

i hate the penguin now, not even elite but

they blow that snow, it slows me and i stg I get hit harder bythat mob then any other mob

[desert trout]

I have to kill them twice

And they bounce me

Their ice thrower tears thru spirit feline too

[solemn onyx]

I hate getting the secondary snow zone boss

doesn't die as fast

[desert trout]

Snow zone sucks

[desert trout]

25% chance time

[solemn onyx]

I liek it because well, one less zone to go through

but when its the giant dude wo sucks in the void zzzzz

[desert trout]

Real af

[lucid nova]

time to shout at me

[desert trout]

Monke piercing flame can tear thru the vacuum phase shield

[solemn onyx]

when he sucks in is there anything you can even actually do?

I shoot but, nothing happens lol

[desert trout]

Hide behind rock and spam monke primary

Only if you run the build we have been shilling

[desert trout]

Radiation glove main can confirm 60% DR is usually the danger zone

[lucid nova]

its doable but its just pain if you dont get the enhanced beam

[desert trout]

Yoooo fire dragon is good for endless? Who does it work with

Love the lil guy

[solemn onyx]

So I should run this?

text so big doesnt fit the box

[lucid nova]

crownprice would be the best

[lucid nova]

looks aight yeah

[solemn onyx]

aight ill swap it out to try it next stage see how it goes

[lucid nova]

if ur build isnt hot garbage it will clear alot alot faster than goshawk

[solemn onyx]

hopefully get a blacksmith fast to switch its thing to crit x

[desert trout]

Idk to me its the Rarest exclusive inscription ever, the scatter shot

[solemn onyx]

High Powered Arc, Armored Caster/T&G with basically every scroll in the game, so my builds solid id say

[desert trout]

Thanks

[desert trout]

Oh yeah run this looks fun

Sorry went off tangent a lil

[lucid nova]

get rid of armed caster

[little vortex]

Talisman is actually really good, I'd put it alot higher

[desert trout]

Let me know how autoaim and extra scatter is like

[lucid nova]

in endles??????

i need to see proof to belive that, cuz its slow and does low dmg

[solemn onyx]

for what? gives me 745% skill dmg

[lucid nova]

not worth it since it locks ur gemni to critshare wich is mid

also 745% aint that much, its only 745 kills

[solemn onyx]

Isn't critx like life for the tiger

[lucid nova]

yes but no

endless is completely different

my "fun" tierlist

[solemn onyx]

What would even be worth then?

[lucid nova]

high RoF weapons

[solemn onyx]

naw I mean the inscriptions, or w/e they're called

[lucid nova]

thundernemesis spam

[solemn onyx]

if crit x isnt worth

the gemini, thats what it is*

[lucid nova]

homing, projectiles, luckyshot

oh, eleshare is top tier in endless

[desert trout]

Thunder storm at the peak

Real

[lucid nova]

idk, its just super satisfying to see one cute ball wipe out whole rooms

[desert trout]

Yeah agreed

Dog dual wield

With AOE maxed

Spiritual experience

[lucid nova]

double tigercannon never gets old

[desert trout]

KABOOOOOOM

[lucid nova]

do you like edm?

[desert trout]

Whats that

As in the genre?

[lucid nova]

ye

[solemn onyx]

so trying out Wolf Gaze, its only +36 while goshawk is like +170; idk how much of a diff that makes but, Goshawk clears a room a lot faster

bosses are hit or miss, gotta rank up the wolf gaze tho; 140+ is a big diff

I'm assuming the best Gemini/Weapon match would be one for magazine capacity right? for the % wep dmg

[lucid nova]

mostlikely a build issue

tested full auto vs sniper myself and full auto is a very clear winner, conveiniently i also used lei

[solemn onyx]

Well ascension wise; i;m not hardcasting chain lightning anymore so I can swap off high powered arc

[lucid nova]

https://gfrbuilder.com/LeiLuo?bl=36%2C37%2C12&sc=&sk=130330330031000000&lw=8&w=24%2C1&g=172&g2=172&i=55%2C3%2C37%2C165&i2=3%2C9%2C85%2C77&w1l=1&w2l=1 this is what a pretty average hybrid thunder spam build would look like, and the shadownight and thunder turbo points are flex points

[solemn onyx]

ascensions arent really an issue

and I mean I have T&G and high powered

[lucid nova]

if you have everything you should not be struggeling at all......

[solemn onyx]

I'm not

things all fall over

I'm just saying things fall over faster, with the goshawk imo

[lucid nova]

doubt

send me a clip of the difference

or could be your aim is to bad to kill the first 5 enemies to proc the inscription

not to mention your wolf gaze if far far from optimal

[glad iris]

What gifted man did you take?

[lucid nova]

me or him?

[glad iris]

Him

[lucid nova]

looks like one of the worse ones, dont see any gifted man stacks in his buffs

[solemn onyx]

gifted man?

[blazing summit]

Lei Luo starting buff

[solemn onyx]

ah that, I went with Chain Lightning doesnt cost anything while primary is active; I wasn't expecting to actually make it to the end as I was just trying out an idea

[lucid nova]

yeah that one aint good

[blazing summit]

Would that perk interfere with untold effort?

[lucid nova]

no

[blazing summit]

Can’t wait to get home and try the monkey build you showed me

[lucid nova]

yessssssss convert to PF cult

[solemn onyx]

does discord have a way to record videos

[lucid nova]

no, but geforce experience does, so does the amd equivalent

[solemn onyx]

mm geforce wants me to post it to youtube; was trying to figure out way to just record a clip of a stage pmuch

[glad iris]

use instant replay

[lucid nova]

press alt+ z for the menu

[solemn onyx]

well i tried to do something and it just killled my game

so f

had to task manage close it out

[lucid nova]

you can reload from campfire/well/tree so its fine no?

[solemn onyx]

ya thankfully

tried opening the gallery to get the clip and the entire thing just shit the bed

[lucid nova]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-funny-cats-uhh-gif-5575392758585270122

[solemn onyx]

ah fuck, i picked up flesh n bones withouteven thinking because I didn't "own it yet"

and I cant discard any scrolls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXHLmOIluc&feature=youtu.be

most stuff i can kill before it even reaches the stage wih goshawk

hence why I can't really say anything compares t oit

[lucid nova]

oh i see ur only on 57% dr, explains why goshawk is still working

besides that its boundless so hp scaling is less

but hey if it works it works

im not here to tell you how to play

[sharp barn]

So, did they ever add a way to command unlock stuff? Still not willing to farm for demonlore even after the change. Dont mind doing all my other stuff legit. But genuinely screw farming lobsters

[proud shale]

nope

[primal dagger]

only the hardest achievements left for 100%

[proud shale]

literally how

[primal dagger]

dont die to things that are easy to avoid

stood in fire, now i gotta find a lantern to kill me

problem is that my robot keeps killing them to fast 🙃

[sharp barn]

Sad. Guess im never touching that gun lol

[primal dagger]

gaming complete

time to try roboquest

[junior lichen]

congrats!

you're now on the cool kids club(?

[primal dagger]

yuh

33rd game, 37th if you count ones that added more after i finished them

[junior lichen]

idk how many runs took me, but the crab rng wasn't on my favor

[primal dagger]

i meant 33rd game ive 100%, not 33rd run

i have 0 clue how many runs

[desert trout]

dont really listen to this genre much but from what i listened to i like it

send me tracks and i will give it a listen if thats you wanted to do, fell asleep at that time 😭

[desert trout]

welcome to the cult

[lucid nova]

its offcial!

my man even had enough braincells to pick lei's sniper blessing 👏

[blazing summit]

Lapping my friend doing thorny bloom by like 4x was satisfying just wish I had gotten like dimensional strike

[soft jasper]

oh yeah wouldnt thorny carapace be crazy good with pf cudgel

[blazing summit]

Thorn mastery triggering essence chain which triggers soul strike 💀

[soft jasper]

lol

[blazing summit]

Wombo Combo soul strike was doing more than actual soul strike bc I didn’t get the multiple hit ascension for a long time

[soft jasper]

is monkey cudgel secondary or primary

[desert trout]

triggers chain

wombo iii just need 3 chain hit for a soul strike

[blazing summit]

Soul strike with 3 hits and I didn’t get the ascension to increase primary hits for awhile so essence chain was my damage source lmao

What turtle build is better for boundless, aspis slam or punch

[soft jasper]

punch

aspis slam good until you get punch set up tho

[blazing summit]

Bc skill damage?

[soft jasper]

ye

[blazing summit]

I haven’t done many skill damage builds and then I saw my friend do 135m in a hit so I’m curious now

[soft jasper]

its 30m per hit

[blazing summit]

What happened here then?

[soft jasper]

fuck if i know

[blazing summit]

Is this like some bunny exclusive non sense

[blazing summit]

This was the most I got with Pf cudgel

[soft jasper]

then thats explosion dmg

enhanced with elemental

[desert trout]

Idk how the highest dmg thing is calculated

It’s weird af

[blazing summit]

Ik for weapons it’s 30m which can be brought to 45m through combustion

Idk other than that

[desert trout]

Holy shit welcome to the cult

It’s like bunny shows 9 figures for highest dmg but I’m sure it caps at 45 mil still

Going by vibes alone and not facts I think it’s dmg accumulated on a very short time frame

And bunny can shove a lot of swords in one enemy fast

[blazing summit]

My theory is that Fatal bloom is just silly

[desert trout]

True that

[soft jasper]

fk

i lost like a minute in desert

ITS JOKUL

FUCK

[desert trout]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891

Enjoy your time loss bro

[soft jasper]

and i deid lmao

ugh

i hate jokul

and i dont even have BA/adv depot

[desert trout]

If you can apply miasma consistently just apply them on monkeys and leave them alone their DR phase is a stupid time waster

[soft jasper]

man this is gonna suck

im gonna need da fire dragon i thinky

[desert trout]

[soft jasper]

"elite mutant penguin deal 1393 damage" IM FUCKING DONE

im ending this stupid run

fuck this

[desert trout]

https://tenor.com/view/sun-wukong-smite-warrior-gif-24916823

It’s monke time

[soft jasper]

no its cat time

[desert trout]

POV you are itchytosaur

[soft jasper]

i need bloody ammer

btw

elemental pulses or thunder step on cat

also damn poisonous ghost feels GOOD

[desert trout]

Elemental pulse

[soft jasper]

LMAO

[desert trout]

Remembee to take the upgrade that lowers miasma interval

[soft jasper]

STAGE 2 MASTERFUL CRAFTSMANSHIP

[desert trout]

Only thing worth taking there

[desert trout]

Gaming

[soft jasper]

dude its stage 3 wtf

oops 4

[desert trout]

Holy fuck

Movement scroll and potentially completing speedrunner early

[soft jasper]

ADV JOGGERS ENHANCED LMAOOOOOOOOOO

HEAVY SHIELD

WHAT

hell yeah deflection shield fortune

also

@desert trout i got fire talisman

dont need no fuckin spirit feline

MAN I HATE ARSONISTS

[desert trout]

Wait what

[soft jasper]

asc fusion

[desert trout]

Oh nvm

Gamer

[soft jasper]

LETS GO

FIRE ENTHUSIAST

[fallen escarp]

Dunno about that one, chief. If something does 1000% of your maximum, you're still dying in 1 shot.

And that's assuming Flame Talisman is separate from DMG Resistance you already have.

Which it probably isn't.

[soft jasper]

ok thats fair but: veteran exists, enhanced deflection shield exists, enhanced mid air strike exists, misfortune aura, hex smoke etc

[fallen escarp]

Alternatively, Spirit Feline exists.

Or in a pinch, Windrider.

[soft jasper]

valid

[soft jasper]

needs other scrolls to work

[fallen escarp]

Still needs less scrolls than Flame Talisman.

[soft jasper]

flame talisman only needs itself to work

but later on needs others

[fallen escarp]

Exactly.

[stable root]

[fallen escarp]

Windrider needs 1, maybe 2 other things to work, but it provides a perfect defense forever.

[soft jasper]

spirit feline alone sucks as well

one wrong move and you get demolished by a penguin

or too many attacks at once and gg

its about as useful as flame talisman alone, but flame talisman also provides hella damage xD

[soft jasper]

AW FUCKING HELL

GOT ONESHOT BY A YAKSHA

[fallen escarp]

So, how'd that Flame Talisman work out?

[soft jasper]

that was NOT flame talisman

i had it at 0

[drowsy dagger]

greetings, what was glimmering?

[nimble flint]

Let me ask to clarify

Typo and you meant to ask what IS glimmering ( since its in the game) or what it once WAS

as in the past and not now

[soft jasper]

@desert trout you can rig scrolls by resetting saves and going to peddler

it takes time but ya

[drowsy dagger]

yup, my bad

[nimble flint]

Well

legit question

Glimmering is a weapon like prism , a throwing knife, but it explodes after a short moment when it hits

BUT

it is now a nerfed version

because
well...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739109590331031643/740594464912965763/Glimmering.mp4?ex=65d618d8&is=65c3a3d8&hm=17da9ae0e8e837dc1ed7f6d53f0e3a279c7d1f6937e5b1ccf4f738019dc8569c&

Before it was a Tiger Cannon on steroids

[soft jasper]

WHAT

[nimble flint]

It exploded on impact

and had a bigger explosion

[soft jasper]

aw man i wish glimmering was that good still

[lucid nova]

the glory days when it was broken af

and a lv 0 glimmering could melt boat

[soft jasper]

glimmering is still... okay? with the right inscriptiosn

but ya

@lucid nova bloody ammo or advanced depot

[lucid nova]

depends

[soft jasper]

hmm

[lucid nova]

what weapon r u using

[soft jasper]

justice

am currently rigging peddler to give me a bloody ammo

i like BA because of its deadly counter synergy

[lucid nova]

advanced depot is better on justice

[soft jasper]

just want to know if there is any reason to use advanced depot over it

oh, is it?

[lucid nova]

you can also use fire enth w/ deadly counter

[soft jasper]

i have painkiller

am on cat lol

setting up a run with my beloved bomb shotgun

[lucid nova]

i mean the difference isnt big with advanced or ba

[soft jasper]

ya but BA gives always-crit so i prefer it

just wanted to know if theres any reason to use adv depot over BA

guess ill just get BA

[drowsy dagger]

also what is the gemini effect thing again?

[soft jasper]

what?

[nimble flint]

Gemini are special inscriptions that you unlock

They only are active if both your weapons have the same one

Gemini, Twins

[soft jasper]

agh why wont it roll BA

[drowsy dagger]

okay understandabe, thank you

now im gonna fight a samurai frog, wish me good luck

[lucid nova]

....?

[soft jasper]

probably elite catfish soldier

[lucid nova]

it says catfish in the name tho

[soft jasper]

do you think people read names

[drowsy dagger]

i diedeth = C

[stable root]

does the matchmaking work

[blazing summit]

how do you build the cat for boundless?

this is my current weapon does the +100% elemntal effect mean double the weapon chance or is it a flat increase

[feral fable]

Painkiller Counterviolence Max Aciodominance pretty much

[blazing summit]

As for other blessings would I just go elemental maestro + first strike and then mag share the fire dragon?

[cobalt dock]

as you can see, it has been doubled to 40%, as its 20% normally

[blazing summit]

I didn’t see the normal amount lmao

[cobalt dock]

fair

[feral fable]

Personally I prefer rainbow for auto hit, but yeah.

[blazing summit]

still mag share but just with an ele rainbow?

[feral fable]

Fire rainbow mag share yeah

I'm assuming you have depot and and crit pen

[blazing summit]

I may have lost the run but I will keep all that in mind for next time

[feral fable]

you could also do Angelic Aura and Field Proficiency instead of First Strike to have Strive to Survive link

with max Wildfire, Angelic Aura may as well be a continuous laser beam of bullets that kills anything you point it at, and you regain shield per shot you consume with an empty magazine

[blazing summit]

I’ll keep both of those choices in mind and ig go with whatever I can get going first

[soft jasper]

WHY CANT I ROLL BLOODY AMMO

[fallen escarp]

Because they have been taken hostage by Break the Ice.

You want them back? Hand over your ascensions!

[desert trout]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-guts-crying-anime-gif-9027702

[soft jasper]

break the ice is good. if it isnt endless LOL

i got break the ice stage 1 once

[desert trout]

break the ice magically picking the most important acension to my build (its a level 3 one)

[soft jasper]

break the ice magically appearing before i picked up a single ascension (i get the perfect scrolls instantly)

wait

i wonder if that could be a valid speedrun start strat

just reset stage 1 until you get break the ice

then go apeshit

[fallen escarp]

Would require the absurd RNG of getting Break the Ice from the first scroll and getting several good scrolls from that as well.

[soft jasper]

not reallt absurd if you have a small scroll pool

[fallen escarp]

On top of any other speedrun RNG such as room layout.

[soft jasper]

now im thinkin

is it possible

to get break the ice

from break the ice

[fallen escarp]

No.

[desert trout]

recursion time

[soft jasper]

sad

[fallen escarp]

Otherwise someone would've reported having 9 scrolls and losing 2 ascensions by now.

[soft jasper]

what about getting curiosity box from itself

[desert trout]

reset for 2323842389483294 times until you get recursive break the ice that gives you 60 good scrolls

[fallen escarp]

Also no, otherwise someone would've reported getting 4 or 5 scrolls by now.

[desert trout]

clear r9 in 3 mins time

[soft jasper]

i want a cursed scroll that makes every dropped scroll curiosity box

[fallen escarp]

That's not a cursed scroll.

[soft jasper]

why not

[fallen escarp]

It would be the one reason you'd drop Evil-Banishing Talisman.

Because you would get an average of double scrolls.

[soft jasper]

oh yeah right

[fallen escarp]

Sure you can't choose, but double scrolls.

[soft jasper]

then every scroll becomes effective split

:3

[fallen escarp]

That's better.

[soft jasper]

how is it

better

[fallen escarp]

It's better as a cursed scroll.

[soft jasper]

imagine getting take it all from it

[stable root]

im finally done with the normal difficulty

😭

[soft jasper]

not really, you'll get a lot of scrolls but many might fuck up your build completely

[fallen escarp]

Exactly.

[soft jasper]

okay how about a cursed scroll like "you can't see what scrolls are until you pick them up"

[mellow cosmos]

you can just drop it after

[bleak quest]

On certain files we can't pick up "break the ice" once we have it unlocked, it'll invalidate the run

[soft jasper]

then unlock it first, no?

or am i missing something

[bleak quest]

We unlock it but if it's green, meaning you just unlocked it, then we can't pick it up

It'll invalidate the run for some reason

Or even interact with it by rerolling the scroll, which is weird because it automatically gets recycled when you enter the next act

But other than that yeah it sounds like a good strat

[fallen escarp]

You're definitely not going to be able to use it by unlocking it.

Not only because of whatever that restriction is, but because you have to reach the act 3 boss and hope it's Abyssal Serpent to do so.

By then who cares.

[bleak quest]

Exactly

[soft jasper]

but like

can't you use pity file, unlock it specifically, and start a run

unless im missing something

like at worst you unlock a few new scrolls? idk

[bleak quest]

If we unlock it and start a run after then it ruins the manipulation it had for specific room types

[soft jasper]

oh

[bleak quest]

The pity file is a one time run

[soft jasper]

but ig you can speedrun without it, right?

although it does mess up scroll pool a little i guess

[bleak quest]

You can but you're not going to be getting any insane times without it

[soft jasper]

fair

[soft jasper]

@mystic shoal i lost like 4 minutes in fjord and then the next act was jokul... i fucking hate this game

ITS FUCKIGN GLUTTONY

AAAAAAAAAa

fuck this game

i lost 1:30 in jokul

[soft jasper]

its ship

im fucking done

i quit

fuck endless

aand i ran out of time on ship

its not even lack of damage, i was doing enough damage

i just got every worst layout possible, wave rooms every act and almost always duo fjord with jokul after longling

and every fucking boss was one with invincibility phases

i hate this game.

[lucid nova]

thanks for sharing all this info very out of context.....?

[soft jasper]

context? what's context?

[soft jasper]

what is your point

no conversation was happening anyway

[nimble flint]

Thats the point
To start something not everything has to be question
This is for sharing what we do in gunfire

By definition every convo start is out of context

[lucid nova]

most random info of a run we dont even know the build of, its like i would start talking about how that crossbowman really hurt me in that run

[nimble flint]

aaaand ?

Build is not relevant

And you can

Thats the point here

[lucid nova]

its info that no one understands 🤷‍♂️

[nimble flint]

this is no "only build discussion and I need to provide all details"

this is just talk

[soft jasper]

i mean the build was painkiller cat on the godroll justice

[nimble flint]

Not everything needs to be in context "maximise the shit out of it"

[soft jasper]

i was dealing 5m per projectile at 85% DR so damage was not the issue

[nimble flint]

Sometimes its just our experiences of the game

[lucid nova]

so if i say "damn this red chest is great" you arent like wtf is this guy on about

[soft jasper]

point is timer is a fucking pain

[soft jasper]

not really

[nimble flint]

No

You found a chest that you think has some neat options

others maybe then can ask "what ?" or recall the crap ones they got

[lucid nova]

??? i'd be confused what is so great about it , cool you have a nice red chest but what is so great about it

[soft jasper]

objectively best chest is weapon enhance reroll

then ask

simple as

[nimble flint]

Thats how you start small talk convos...

[soft jasper]

this isnt a fucking email, you can ask people without waiting 3 work days for a response

[lucid nova]

i suppose 🤷‍♂️ more context to things is nice tho, then you can jump into the convo without being confused as hell

[nimble flint]

This is how human interaction works
You present something and other react , ask or do other things

[soft jasper]

thats fair i suppose

but like

again

you can always just ask

[nimble flint]

Or not

[soft jasper]

or not, and not talk, yeah

[nimble flint]

Hisami just wanted to rant about time loss

Which I know because we talked about it recently

[soft jasper]

yeah

i fucking despise the timer

[nimble flint]

So the context really is contained in memory and basic regualr interactions

[soft jasper]

whoever designed timer gains should be ashamed

[nimble flint]

I mean the timer itself is basically irrelevant

[soft jasper]

fjord and jokul stages are double or triple as long as desert or longling stages, but have the same time gain

[lucid nova]

be happy there is a challenge

[nimble flint]

Either you can kill or get killed by increasing difficulty

[lucid nova]

if you dont like the timer go boundless

[soft jasper]

challenge being...?

[lucid nova]

kill stuff fast enough

[soft jasper]

i was killing stuff as soon as it had spawned

[lucid nova]

false, if that was the case you would never run out of time, mostlikely cuz cat lacks massive aoe and you couldnt wipe the room fast enough

[soft jasper]

i had an 8 projectile justice

so aoe is uh

not the issue

[lucid nova]

wich is why endless is dumb cuz it limits the amount of viable builds

[lucid nova]

8projectile that flop 6 meters infront of you dont wipe the room

[soft jasper]

id call that at least 18 meters

and they do in fact wipe the room

issue is maps being overly long while i didn't get any insane speed bonuses

and corrosion enthusiast ends as soon as you stop killing enemies so

[lucid nova]

real room wiping stuff like thundernemesis, shoulder turret, cudgel, dualwield tigercannon are meta for a reason

[lucid nova]

you dont need any speed bonus to keep the timer up actually

[soft jasper]

certainly seems like it though

[lucid nova]

probably poor pathing/ backtracking to kill enemies

[stable root]

[soft jasper]

constant wave rooms and loops of jokul/duo fjord

[stable root]

daily roguelike gamer

[lucid nova]

desert 2 wave room is an exception that will loose time no matter what

[stable root]

shitty route shitty droprate shitty enemies = your nightmare

[soft jasper]

duo fjord wave rooms and long ass jokul stages are guaranteed to kill timer

[stable root]

🫦

[lucid nova]

duo fjord waves arent bad tbh

[soft jasper]

they are

[lucid nova]

really arent, the timer inbetween enemy spawns is very low

[soft jasper]

and also gluttony and ship every single fucking time

[lucid nova]

me when no PF

[soft jasper]

i mena yeah but gotta move back and forth with low range so

[lucid nova]

there is the aoe issue

[soft jasper]

i had aoe but lacked range

could barely hit monks on roofs

[lucid nova]

aoe is basicly range, its the area where you can kill stuff

[soft jasper]

no it isn't?

aoe is area around projectile that procs damage

aoe != range

[lucid nova]

yes, technicaly is area of effect, but its also common term here for the area/ range that your things can kill with

[soft jasper]

no it is not?

[lucid nova]

it is.

[soft jasper]

i have never seen it used in such context

in multiple games where use of aoe weapons is heavy

aoe means area of effect

[lucid nova]

for example thundernemesis spam is a build with a alot of aoe

[lucid nova]

literly just said that

[lucid nova]

.

[soft jasper]

okay sorry just noticed the here part

not a single other game community uses aoe in such context so like

[lucid nova]

other example, shoulder turrets have a large aoe (the missile aoe itself is like 1.5m wich isnt much)

[soft jasper]

or you could jusr say

range

also, iron wing is pretty ass in endless as said by almost everyone here

dk why youre bringing it up here as a point

[soft jasper]

or radius

for that matter

[lucid nova]

iron wich is actually decent in endless now that the skill cap is increased to 30mil

[soft jasper]

lol no

for starters you can barely get him to cap out

[lucid nova]

16 * 30mil + you shooting the enemy does quite alot

[soft jasper]

in boundless by 99% DR each missile did 250k

and i had like

[lucid nova]

build issue, i can easily cap it without endless

[soft jasper]

45000% skill damage from recycling alone

[lucid nova]

additive dmg isnt everything

[soft jasper]

yes, but

[lucid nova]

i hit stage 79 with iron wing focused build (stopped cuz it was boring) and had 23min on the clock

[soft jasper]

okay what was the build

[stable root]

||where's the record||

[lucid nova]

currently not at home but i can send it tmr, i can send the build tho

[soft jasper]

hold on

is pair of us multiplicative

cause it mightve been that then. i didn't have pair of us lmao

if it is then that explains practically everything

@lucid nova

[lucid nova]

its multi

[soft jasper]

ah makes sense

[lucid nova]

most if not all character exclusive blessings are multi

[soft jasper]

kay then

one thing tho

iron wing focuses only on one enemy

[lucid nova]

missiles track faster

ever picked up shoulder turrets?

[soft jasper]

yes, but its not real "aoe" as its about as useful as an angelic aura

[soft jasper]

id just call it attack radius

[lucid nova]

its usefull af

it is what carries the build

[soft jasper]

i mean obviously fire mode iron wing is strong

my point is

it still focuses only one enemy from what ive tried

which is nice and good dps, but cant wipe out rooms quick enough

unless ive missed something

[lucid nova]

you probably missed something, cuz it didnt struggle at all, the only thing that made it 'mid' was the low skill dmg cap

https://gfrbuilder.com/Nona?bl=61%2C60%2C12&sc=&sk=003030030300013310&lw=8&w=53%2C16&g=176&g2=176

and had some more points in ascension fusion stuff (those points where from enhanced blessing in disguise)

[soft jasper]

i never said it did struggle

thats not my point, oops

[lucid nova]

....?

[soft jasper]

my point is that it can't really be called aoe

you can't call an angelic aura infinite aoe

[lucid nova]

sounds like struggle to me

[lucid nova]

cuz it doesnt have aoe

[soft jasper]

i mean yeah i did not realize pair of us is multiplicative

[lucid nova]

single target and you aim it

[soft jasper]

neither does iron wing then? except for the 1.5m

[lucid nova]

it has a massive fucking radius where it shoots every enemy through walls?

just like cudgel has aoe aswel (without launcher)

[soft jasper]

thats radius

not aoe

[lucid nova]

first you call it range, now radius?

[soft jasper]

i

[lucid nova]

make up yo mind

[soft jasper]

started calling it radius

like 15 minutes ago

my point is that your definition of aoe is meaningless if used like this

because by the same definition an angelic aura has infinite aoe

[lucid nova]

no?

[soft jasper]

yes?

it can attack in an infinite radius

[lucid nova]

and how does it do so? you need to manualy hit shit with it (unless you have homing on it)

i just send cudgel in a direction and it does all the hitting for me

so does thundernemesis, i press a button and multiple things get hit in a massive fucking area

[soft jasper]

so the point is autoaim?

thats whats defined as aoe?

[lucid nova]

Officially its area of effect

[nimble flint]

Range defines the size of the AoE

[lucid nova]

In my terms (pretty sure for alot of ppl here) its anything that hits enemies in a (large) area after pressing one button or action

[nimble flint]

thats basic RPG language

If a skill hits multiple things it has an AoE

an Area of Effect where it can hit

[lucid nova]

Exactly! Thats what im trying to say!

[soft jasper]

yes, but iron wing hits one thing at a time

switching targets

that's just autoaim with range

[nimble flint]

Iron Wing has a range

[soft jasper]

with an explosion aoe of 1.5,

yes

[nimble flint]

And crash has an AoE

[lucid nova]

More that that, the melee attacks aswel

[nimble flint]

"melee"

I THROW MY PUNCH

kind of melee

[lucid nova]

Throwing hands is melee xD

[soft jasper]

yes, mecha drop has aoe

[stable root]

you throw your sword and it stabbed on me so thats kind of aoe

[nimble flint]

Thats range

[soft jasper]

pie is trying to define the radius where fire mode attacks as aoe

even though it's single target

[lucid nova]

Swords have aoe, you can hit multiple things in one attack

[nimble flint]

That is reach

[stable root]

thats reach

[soft jasper]

yes

[stable root]

im going to let you play warframe

[nimble flint]

An axe swing has aoe

A whirlwind attack has aoe

[lucid nova]

No? Reach is the range from where an attack hits or misses

[soft jasper]

if a radius of a single target weapon is defined as aoe, then it's nonsense

[lucid nova]

Already did for 700hrs

[soft jasper]

no offense, but touch grass

[stable root]

do it more then

[lucid nova]

Im not 15, i have some years behind a pc

[lucid nova]

Acurate banner lmao

[stable root]

👄

[lucid nova]

I have 1000 hrs in terraria aswel, almost 600 in gunfire and on 7more games 200 ish

Me like variety

[soft jasper]

anyway aoe is just the size of an explosion or a skill that attacks all enemies within it at once

e.g. owl's astro whatever the fuck, nona's mecha drop, prince's grenade

etc

[lucid nova]

Whatever you like, im going to bed

[soft jasper]

sleep well

[soft jasper]

@nimble flint am i wrong

[stable root]

👌

[blazing summit]

What are the requirements for strive to survive?

[glad iris]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It tells you ingame.

Hold C and find strive to survive in the left window while holding a smg.

[desert trout]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-thor-ragnarok-yes-thats-how-it-feels-tom-hiddleston-gif-23706109

How was jokul bro

[soft jasper]

press tab, scrolls, then spiritual links and go find it

[soft jasper]

horrible i am never endlessing again

[fallen escarp]

Range: The distance an attack can travel before it cannot continue any further.
AoE: The distance an attack can hit everything near a center point as soon as it can deal damage.

• Snipers and most other projectile weapons have range, but no AoE. The shots go far, but only hit 1 target on a direct hit.
• Something like Thunder Nemesis has a massive AoE, but no range because its center point cannot go any further than you.
• Launchers have both range and AoE. The projectile travels until it hits something or expires, then hits everything around a center point.
• Melee weapons, plus Leap, Cleave Tidal Aspis and Striking Punch, technically have no range and instead use AoE, because they hit everything in an area near you.

The game clearly points out the difference between the two, especially notable on Inscriptions and sometimes in Ascensions, so I don't know why Pie was confused about it.

[soft jasper]

yep, exactly what i was thinking

[lucid nova]

Not very different from what i said no?

[fallen escarp]

Very different to what you said.

You were conflating the two stats together.

[soft jasper]

VERY different from what you said lol

[fallen escarp]

Like this post.

[soft jasper]

implying that any weapon with non-arcing projectiles has infinite aoe

[fallen escarp]

Actually I don't think any projectile weapon has truely infinite range.

[lucid nova]

No?

[soft jasper]

yes?

[fallen escarp]

But it would be like saying that snipers have an AoE of the entire map, when you only hit 1 target at a time.

[soft jasper]

you can kill stuff in an "infinite" area with them

[fallen escarp]

Despite AoE specifically being for hitting everything.

[soft jasper]

obviously not, projectiles have a lifetime

[fallen escarp]

No, they've got a range.

[lucid nova]

Ever heard of hitscan?

[fallen escarp]

Though some projectiles also have a lifetime, such as explosives that bounce or arc.

[soft jasper]

yes, and i'm pretty sure even hitscan weapons have a range

besides, what weapons are hitscan in this game anyway?

[lucid nova]

Range, not lifetime

[fallen escarp]

All injectors except Fire Dragon.

[lucid nova]

Quite alot, AA, cavalry, hell, etc

[fallen escarp]

Those aren't hitscan.

[lucid nova]

Nvm aa isnt indeed

[soft jasper]

lifetime is range, unless the range is explicitly defined to have a projectile die at some point

[lucid nova]

No??????

[soft jasper]

yes?

[fallen escarp]

Now you're conflating 2 stats together as well.

[soft jasper]

a projectile with a speed of 10 m/s and a lifetime of 3s will only be able to travel 30m

[fallen escarp]

Range is how far a projectile can go before disappearing. Lifetime is how long a projectile lasts before disappearing.

[soft jasper]

yes

lifetime can define range though

[lucid nova]

Lets just say we are both fucked with our terms and altanna is right, then what is leap

[fallen escarp]

In particular, getting a +Projectile Speed inscription does not let it travel further.

[soft jasper]

leap is clearly a hitscan aoe attack with infinite range

[soft jasper]

yes, because range is explicitly defined

for that projectile

[lucid nova]

?????????? You cant leap cross map

[fallen escarp]

Range is explicitly defined for pretty much every weapon, except launchers with special trajectories.

Such as Frenzied Shark, Justice and Deafening Mortar where projectiles can slow down during travel.

[soft jasper]

yes, have you ever heard of sarcasm?

[fallen escarp]

Those use lifetime instead.

[soft jasper]

yes

[lucid nova]

Very bad timing my guy

[soft jasper]

my point was that if range is not defined, lifetime IS range

[fallen escarp]

For pretty much every single other weapon, they use range which doesn't care about how long a projectile lasts, it'll still disappear at the same distance.

[lucid nova]

Also false, what about lightning blast right click

[soft jasper]

what the fuck is that anyway

[lucid nova]

A projectile

[soft jasper]

oh yeah

its stationary tho

[lucid nova]

It travels out

[soft jasper]

and stops

[lucid nova]

Does that mean it has 5 second range????? Implying your logic

[soft jasper]

when it stops it is no longer a projectile

[soft jasper]

@lucid nova

this is what i meant

[fallen escarp]

Fun fact about that...

Icy Spear technically has both.

The range of launched ice thorns, and the lifetime of their spin.

[soft jasper]

yes pretty silly

but again

once it stops, it is not a projectile

anyway

enhanced resilient life is STRONG\

9%/s HP

at 3 stacks

[stable root]

you guys still talking about range/aoe

[blazing summit]

If I’m trying to run cat with fire dmg angelic aura and am running strive to survive should I keep mag share or go ele share

[soft jasper]

eleshare

use bloody ammo with strive to survive its funny

[blazing summit]

Fire tower? Or should I try for another element on top of fire

[blazing summit]

Don’t they just cancel each other?😭

Like Ik both will be doing there thing but the health should balance out

[soft jasper]

not if you have heavy shield

besides, free infinite mag

[blazing summit]

What’s that a scroll or spiritual link?

[soft jasper]

scroll

40% chance to immune damage

[blazing summit]

Anyway should I just ele share for higher fire chance or go for another element

[soft jasper]

another element

use like

combustion

so corrosion offhand

[blazing summit]

Guess I’ll look out for aura of venom

[blazing summit]

sorry i keep coming to you about this but should i reroll this angelic aura to see if i can get fire dmg?

[mellow cosmos]

No

Use element converter spiritual link to change it to fire dmg.

@blazing summit

[glad iris]

Why would you reroll that

[regal tartan]

First try'd R9

really unexpected since im honestly not that good lmao

[mellow cosmos]

[glad iris]

Should have kept the proj +0.2.

[blazing summit]

womp WOMP

[lucid nova]

because its only 1 exclusive inscription

[soft jasper]

and? one of the rare inscriptions is twice as good as an exclusive

[lucid nova]

and? my guy homing is better than +0.2 proj

[soft jasper]

... it is not

+2 projectiles is triple the dps

[lucid nova]

in fact it is unless you nolive valorant

[soft jasper]

can you like

[lucid nova]

tripple dps where you dont hit shit

[soft jasper]

not aim

[soft jasper]

all i play is some xonotic and i can control an angelic aura fine

therefore

skill issue™

[lucid nova]

doubt

[soft jasper]

doubt it all you want ig

its not that hard

[lucid nova]

i bet i can mow down enemies faster with a homing AA than you can with a +0.2 proj

[fallen escarp]

Not aiming = faster time

[lucid nova]

he doesnt care about other opinions....

[soft jasper]

thats fair

[fallen escarp]

You'd have to offset the time it would take to aim at every enemy to benefit from killing enemies faster.

[soft jasper]

yes, but to trigger homing you have to kill 5 enemies first anyway

[fallen escarp]

So unless you're using an aimbot or are just that good, you're probably not getting much benefit.

[soft jasper]

anyway you can have infinite homing on goshawk

best weapon???

[fallen escarp]

Why do you think Rainbow is popular?

[lucid nova]

and starring

[soft jasper]

star ring isnt even homing tfym

its not related to this in any way

[lucid nova]

here is the thing, you cant really aim with it and it has a massive aoe (yes technicaly you can rotate the circle to get crits)

[soft jasper]

aoe

[fallen escarp]

It is an AoE.

[lucid nova]

buddy if you are going to be a troll again ur going back to blocked and not comming back

[fallen escarp]

It hits everything on the ring.

[soft jasper]

yes, but it hits nothing inside the ring

[rotund plaza]

this chat is charming as always

[lucid nova]

clean chat :D

[soft jasper]

yep

[fallen escarp]

Doesn't matter, the AoE is the ring.

[soft jasper]

an aoe with no area

hm

well, except the tiny ring hitbox

i guess that counts

[fallen escarp]

Everything you ram the ring into gets hit.

It's an AoE.

[soft jasper]

eh fair i guess

anyway

aspis slam is silly

[rotund plaza]

finally got this bad boi to my collection after running through 120+ stages

[soft jasper]

thats p solid. id replace some with exclusives tho

specifically the +0.2x ctitx and +100% base weapon dmg ones

[rotund plaza]

nope this is for ele sharing for later runs

I personally don't like AoV

[soft jasper]

oh, not as a weapon? damn

[lucid nova]

whar?

[soft jasper]

Aura of Venom

@rotund plaza based flowing light fan???

do you run it with a fire tower eleshare orrr

[rotund plaza]

80% Piercing Flames

[soft jasper]

so diet fire tower, gotcha

[rotund plaza]

Fire Tower can't get +100% ele chances

[soft jasper]

it can get 85%, besides, elemental relic exists

[desert trout]

wtf aiming in my gunfire reborn???

[soft jasper]

[rotund plaza]

a hundred stages later

[soft jasper]

top 10 gluttony

LMAOOOOOOOO

oneshot by a bandit gunner

@desert trout enhanced rational consumption or enahnced abnormal speed

fuck it, rational consumption

[desert trout]

see +10 everytime you talk to frogge

more dopamine

[jagged sedge]

What exactly does the spiritual blessing Want Them All do? As in, what bonuses is it talking about?

[desert trout]

this one

the usual pick is piercing flame (sniper) + launcher offhand

[jagged sedge]

Ah, I see. Thanks!

[desert trout]

no worries monke is cool

[soft jasper]

they did the rapid fire weps dirty

[desert trout]

injector should make soul strike homing

[fallen escarp]

It already is homing.

[desert trout]

make it home even more

[fallen escarp]

Short range homing, but still homing.

[desert trout]

if i miss it it will teleport to the nearest enemy

like

even if im really off course

[fallen escarp]

Pros: Your attack never misses.
Cons: You dealt 20 damage per cudgel, because you no longer get the fat +500 damage.

If you really think about it, outside of Endless, the rifle/SMG/injector bonus offers the biggest boost to the weapon's damage potential.

[desert trout]

oh yeah

[fallen escarp]

So it's not that rapid fire got screwed with, its that they sucked anyway.

[desert trout]

just remembered it does take after wep dmg after all

could a pistol soul strike proc wombo combo?

[fallen escarp]

No.

Tested too.

[desert trout]

zamn

thanks

thought it would be epic if theres infinite soul strike (as long theres enemies)

[fallen escarp]

If it could, you could get infinite Wombo Combos at level 3.

[desert trout]

frfr would be so goated

[soft jasper]

me when flowing light secondary

[blazing summit]

so this is love (im doing a run where i go for every enhanced scroll)

[soft jasper]

wrong screenshot..?

[blazing summit]

no, just showing my love for this thing because it clears like a beast

[soft jasper]

ah

yea looks p ok

[blazing summit]

i think im 40 enhanced left to get or so

[soft jasper]

UH

i just

oneshotted golem

with fist

what

OH YEAH the thunder storage thingy

i just had the stupidest idea

power of the ocean + libra warrior

omw to oneshot ichty after getting 700 fist sensation stacks

[strange schooner]

hey with this new gluttony boss guy how do you survive when it says "Watch out for the void" or whatever, the rest of the boss is easy but that always kills me and idk what do do about it

[glad iris]

Stand behind a rock.

[strange schooner]

oh

[pulsar mural]

Lmao

[lucid nova]

it be that simple

[rotund timber]

Wow they really changed one dog army.

Is explosive damage good now? Ngl i never really used it outside of grenade spam.

Also. How are spore builds doing? They were really good last time i was playing.

[fallen escarp]

Explosive damage was (almost) always good, because Atomic Bomb exists.

[fallen escarp]

Pretty much remained exactly the same. Easy to set up, devastating to dish out.

[rotund timber]

Right. Grenade spam atomic bomb. But like the new one dog army seems to be incentivising me to pick up 2 rocket launchers.

[fallen escarp]

You can do that if you want. You can also just make Atomic Bomb stronger.

[rotund timber]

Lol got it.

[jagged sedge]

what weapons should i use for an Ao Bai combat elite run? deafening mortar or tiger cannon or something?

[split plinth]

probably mortar or justice

[regal tartan]

this is the single dumbest build ive gotten in my ~200 hours of play

[hexed lagoon]

Hi, which PF of these 3 would be the best for Monke?

My intuition is the +0.2 projectiles is the best affix but I could be wrong

[mystic shoal]

The one with Proj +1

@hexed lagoon

[hardy aspen]

anyone know if the AoE gemini can be rolled on anything or only launchers

[cobalt dock]

anything with a AoE stat on them

[mystic shoal]

^

[lucid nova]

I mean its r1 ofc anything works

[regal tartan]

Doesnt change the build

You're simultaneously immortal while dealing high damage with it no matter what difficulty you play on

[lucid nova]

It does change the build, stuff that doesnt deal alot of dmg will nuke on r1 but on r9 it doesnt do much

And immortality is the new standard

[regal tartan]

I dont know how to respond to that

Oh well

[lucid nova]

Nothing. Its a fact so nothing to debate about it

Also the reason i stopped playing

Oh well 600hrs for like 20$ is a steal tbh so im satisfied

[regal tartan]

That you become too powerful too easily?

[lucid nova]

Yeah, there is no challenge to beat the game anymore

And played basicly every build so the variety is also kinda gone

[regal tartan]

even more so with arcane ascensions ye

thats fair

[lucid nova]

Even before that, game has been in this state since reincarnation got introduced a few years back

But hey if ur still enjoying the game go play it

Its good for atleast 300hrs minimum

[regal tartan]

I feel like ror2 fixed that issue, if you played it

You always have a very real chance of dying

No matter what

[lucid nova]

I have for a few hundred hrs yeah

[regal tartan]

(unless youre merc lol)

[lucid nova]

I mean kinda? But once you have a good proc chain you can nuke everything in one go but its definitely more balanced

And eclipse is an actual challenge

[regal tartan]

Im not a fan of eclipse personally because of how some items/builds become near useless because of how much the game fundamentally changes

especially with e5 and e8 changes

but i do wish there was an option in vanilla to have more difficulty scaling beyond monsoon

luckily we have mods for that

[fallen escarp]

Not since Reincarnation. Since The Atomic Bomb Incident.

[lucid nova]

True, atomic bomb was one of if not the first ultra busted ascension

The crazy thing is, im pretty sure it got buffed

[fallen escarp]

It was THE first ultra busted blessing, and yes it did get buffed.

It had its chance increased from 30% to 40%, at the cost of a hilariously high damage bonus cap.

[regal tartan]

it was buffed?

lmao

[cobalt dock]

it started as ”30% chance to throw all secondary charges”

that was it

it was never used i believe

[fallen escarp]

At that point though it was genuinely bad.

Problems started when they buffed it so heavily it became something to leave multiplayer matches if someone else had it.

[mystic shoal]

ong the game just focuses too much on buffs instead of nerfs
and the nerfs put into the game doesnt even affect anything

[cobalt dock]

except glimmering

and

[fallen escarp]

And our sharky boi.

[mystic shoal]

overall we should be seeing either actual nerfs, things that make the game harder which cant just be outperformed or both

it is wishfuyl thinking

[fallen escarp]

The only things they could do to make the game harder without it being outperformed would either make it hard for the wrong reasons, or piss off everyone at once.

The former being make enemies harder globally, which actually just means Longling Tomb becomes even more of a meat grinder than it already is.

The latter is doing stuff like giving enemies more invincibility shields, giving them true damage effects that bypass your defensive bonuses, or causing player items to be disabled or destroyed.

[jaunty venture]

i must be in the minority here that think gunfire's current identity of being one of the easier roguelites is perfectly fine

every other roguelite strives to be more difficult & that's fine but i think this game being "easy" is fine

imo this games main issues are having probably the worst imaginable enemy ai i've seen in a video game & extremely linear movement

pressing w once and being automatically put into full acceleration is... a choice

[lucid nova]

definitely isnt that bad, but if you already did basicly everything the fun is over. for sure gunfire isnt a bad game tho

[fallen escarp]

That's the thing everyone seems to forget though. Gunfire Reborn before it was swarmed with buff after buff after buff, it was easy.

Do you know how? Lower difficulties! If you wanted to have fun playing with new toys on Reincarnation difficulty, but didn't want to get your teeth smashed in every time you tried, you just had to play on Reincarnation 1!

The people who wanted an easier game always had exactly what they wanted. They were just too obsessed with playing on the hardest difficulty in the game to realize it.

[jaunty venture]

trust me i understand your point but we're like 3 1/2 years divided from the launch of the game/release of rein that i don't even really consider that when i think of the current state of the game, it was pretty much a given things were gonna drastically change whether that be everything getting buffed or everything getting nerfed & i'm just saying that i'm not mad at the current direction they're heading in

i think rein is flawed beyond the powerups you're given

the current challenge pool feels like they're just meant to slow the player down & i'm just not a fan of gameplay design like that

feels super artificial

[fallen escarp]

That's because every challenge that doesn't just slow down the player... simply doesn't matter because players are too busy blazing straight through the enemies.

Which is a result of, you guessed it, player buffs.

[soft jasper]

[fallen escarp]

When you're charging into everything at full speed, there are only 2 obstacles. Ones you blast through or ones that stagger your progress. No inbetween.

[jaunty venture]

which is why i think the challenge pool should be overhauled to suit the current state of the game, i don't have any particular suggestions for that but i'm sure something could be figured out

[soft jasper]

that's fair

challenges have no real challenge to them except slowing you down or killing your run

[fallen escarp]

If challenge events were overhauled to suit the current game, half of them would be "Nothing happens." and the other half would be "Players cannot attack for X seconds."

Because that's pretty much all that matters.

[soft jasper]

that's also fair i suppose

my problem with gunfire is that its either you getting oneshotted by anything in longling or completely breezing through everything with no issue

the scaling is just actual ass