Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 ) | Gunfire Reborn | Page 45

remote olive Nov 25, 2023, 1:11 PM

#

...well at least I'm not getting a disavantage for free

bleak quest Nov 25, 2023, 4:39 PM

#

so far all of my games I played with Tao's weren't fun

pearl bridge Nov 25, 2023, 7:08 PM

#

Thoughts on storm chaser?

nimble flint Nov 25, 2023, 7:10 PM

#

Incredible fun

pearl bridge Nov 25, 2023, 7:12 PM

#

Who do you use it on?

midnight spruce Nov 25, 2023, 7:17 PM

#

how you even get above 90% DR

#

in my mp game we're at stage 89 and enemy been stuck at 90%

proud shale Nov 25, 2023, 7:21 PM

#

Thats the cap

midnight spruce Nov 25, 2023, 7:23 PM

#

how did pie get 102% dr? is that only a visual bug?

proud shale Nov 25, 2023, 7:24 PM

#

Yes

void quail Nov 25, 2023, 7:57 PM

#

Not viausl

#

The old patch allowed them to get that high

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 7:59 PM

#

to easy :D

midnight spruce Nov 25, 2023, 9:38 PM

#

60k extrv stack on stage 21

#

what

#

ono

median crater Nov 25, 2023, 10:49 PM

#

dang, what builds you played?

#

nvm i see monkey build

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 10:52 PM

#

midnight spruce 60k extrv stack on stage 21

Funny bug lol

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 10:53 PM

#

median crater dang, what builds you played?

Ye, monkey piercing flame is the new meta

glad iris Nov 25, 2023, 11:03 PM

#

inb4 nerf

median crater Nov 25, 2023, 11:03 PM

#

lucid nova Ye, monkey piercing flame is the new meta

what's your other wep?

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:04 PM

#

glad iris inb4 nerf

*buff, to let every hero use it this way.

glad iris Nov 25, 2023, 11:05 PM

#

Or remove the dmg cap.

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:10 PM

#

Or buff everything else to be like Monke Piercing Flame.

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:12 PM

#

Ye. Give every character a signature broken interaction with a weapon

#

Btw is it just me or does the regular game (not endless) feel even worse than before?

#

I feel so weak lol

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:20 PM

#

Well it depends...

#

Do you feel like a god for the entirety of endless?

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:22 PM

#

Yep.

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:22 PM

#

That's why.

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:22 PM

#

To used to seeing 15mil all over my screen

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:22 PM

#

The regular part of runs does not make you feel like a god for its entirety.

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

Very true, now it just feels like a setup phase for endless

#

Idk if this was the best way to and endles...

fallen escarp Nov 25, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

Endless is like a drug.

You get so high and everything feels wonderful, then when you come off it you crash down into the floor and get all depressed.

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

Would be better if they added it to SA or some new gamemode

glad iris Nov 25, 2023, 11:32 PM

#

That's how I feel about nightmare after playing the highest difficulty a bunch of times. Feels like normal mode and normal mode feels like I'm taking a tour.

lucid nova Nov 25, 2023, 11:36 PM

#

True

tough pelican Nov 26, 2023, 12:55 AM

#

how to improve survivability with monkey

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 12:58 AM

#

Aura Protection. It's basically permanent free protection with a few unfortunate exceptions.

pearl garden Nov 26, 2023, 1:43 AM

#

So for the people that have had time for this update so far: Are all of the new weapons solid? They all seem solid.

midnight spruce Nov 26, 2023, 1:57 AM

#

lucid nova Ye, monkey piercing flame is the new meta

is it only with the exclusive inscription ?

#

or any piercing flame will do

spice mist Nov 26, 2023, 2:19 AM

#

Anyone try the endless mode? Is it fun?

pearl garden Nov 26, 2023, 2:19 AM

#

Exclusive inscription is why it's busted on Monkey. Without that it's mid at best.

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 3:21 AM

#

spice mist Anyone try the endless mode? Is it fun?

Endless can be summed up as:
Damage Cap/Per Second

#

i like it which surprises me

spice mist Nov 26, 2023, 3:21 AM

#

Wait so

#

After u enter the endless mode after the boss in act 4

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 3:21 AM

#

dont forget the band aid "fixes" for player scaling

spice mist Nov 26, 2023, 3:21 AM

#

Where do u end up

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

random act

spice mist Nov 26, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

Ooh interesting

#

And after u finish that act

#

Can u keep going given u meet the time

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

random act forever

spice mist Nov 26, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

Daaamn

#

Sick

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 3:23 AM

#

you will face all 4 acts before it shuffles again

#

so no getting only 1 act in a row

#

got a Bunny run on stage 81 saved at a well atm

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 3:51 AM

#

oi where do i post screenshots of breaking the new update like this one/

#

#

also run ended not due to time, but cause i took about 1600 damage in 1 attack

median crater Nov 26, 2023, 3:54 AM

#

when you play the owl, how do you make the AoE that hits multiple times chase enemies?

#

from primary skill

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 3:56 AM

#

Get Heaven Strike 3 and cast a Legendary quality Falling Star.

median crater Nov 26, 2023, 3:56 AM

#

at least just 1 legendary quality or the full row?

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 3:56 AM

#

entire thing

#

owl primary rolls the entire thing iirc

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 3:58 AM

#

Also for endless mode, how do you get more time to go for so long as people going like 30 stages up above? i was nuking things pretty fast still towards the end but i wasnt getting time for advancing stages and pretty little when beating bosses

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 3:58 AM

#

Complete stages.

#

Each stage awards time.

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 3:58 AM

#

It does?

#

even on stage completion i wasnt getting time

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 3:59 AM

#

bugged if so

#

go fast

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:01 AM

#

does time get affected by like, if doing lone wolf mode or playing ina team?

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 4:02 AM

#

i believe not

#

done both past stage 50

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:07 AM

#

well i was recording my run and checked, im just stupid i was getting time

#

only 30 seconds per stage is an oof but gotta give it another go eventually

#

i will say tho i really like how the endless mode is executed and makes you have to rush/speedrun a bit to do it well

#

I love playing risk of rain 2 as well but i hate how endless/looping is handled in that game, why i do eclipse almost exclusively there

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:12 AM

#

Expect it to change, if the outcry of many people is any indication.

#

Lots of people dislike the timer.

#

Devs really like listening to them.

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 4:14 AM

#

as compensation for the nerf, each scroll discarded now gives 10 stacks for the recycle buff, and goblets give 50

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:14 AM

#

Doubt they'd be doing any nerfing at all after the recent backlash.

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:14 AM

#

also im reading the notes again

#

shit be vague

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 4:15 AM

#

fallen escarp Doubt they'd be doing any nerfing at all after the recent backlash.

i meant the timer

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:15 AM

#

what dictates the amount of time received per stage completed? cause it was 30 seconds each stage for me after double checking recording

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:16 AM

#

fallen escarp Devs **really** like listening to them.

well hopefully they dont, i like the idea of being challenged in someway to still ahve the run end cause without a timer it gets really boring

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 4:18 AM

#

"challenged"

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:18 AM

#

Race against the clock is technically a challenge.

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:18 AM

#

proud shale "challenged"

fair, but hell of a lot better than other endless rogue likes

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:19 AM

#

Time is one thing that you can't just get +1000% bonuses for and make it a non-issue.

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 4:19 AM

#

https://tenor.com/view/dio-the-world-power-charge-gif-13331683

Tenor

#

counterpoint

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:20 AM

#

proud shale https://tenor.com/view/dio-the-world-power-charge-gif-13331683

~~No, Enhanced Thunder Step or Splinter Orb doesn't count.~~

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:21 AM

#

rn my only issue with the timer rn is how vague it is in patch notes since it states that you get certain time per stage implying varying time from each stage, but i only got 30 seconds each stage

proud shale Nov 26, 2023, 4:25 AM

#

fallen escarp ~~No, Enhanced Thunder Step or Splinter Orb doesn't count.~~

Li_Lose

glad iris Nov 26, 2023, 4:26 AM

#

I just realized endless is the only way to get elite gathering in tombs.

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 4:26 AM

#

That it is.

#

Unfortunately, I don't think the swarm of Elite Spearmen will really have as much of a punch as one expects at that point in the run.

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 4:28 AM

#

fallen escarp Unfortunately, I don't think the swarm of Elite Spearmen will really have as muc...

not nearly as scary as the elite monkey jockey swarm

pearl garden Nov 26, 2023, 5:07 AM

#

cobalt dock Endless can be summed up as: Damage Cap/Per Second

The most Walter Walterism that's ever Waltered

#

Gotten the Star Devourer to hit cap yet?

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 5:30 AM

#

pearl garden Gotten the Star Devourer to hit cap yet?

that was what my first run was

#

Through Pen bullet/ Fishn’bearpaw

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 5:34 AM

#

pearl garden Gotten the Star Devourer to hit cap yet?

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 6:14 AM

#

cobalt dock

do u by chance have clips of any runs like this? im curious to see how fast youre killing

cobalt dock Nov 26, 2023, 6:27 AM

#

in maybe 6 hours, sure

#

kills in under a second

humble creek Nov 26, 2023, 7:21 AM

#

well i can def see the fast kills coming from having dual edge, extravagent consumption and elite assassin, my run that ended by stage 15 i sadly didnt manage to find any of those 3 scrolls

spring isle Nov 26, 2023, 9:54 AM

#

welp dog needs a buff

somber solar Nov 26, 2023, 11:00 AM

#

I wanna burn stuff with fox, but i keep dying alot in the early stages, mostly by Elite Spearman.
Is it okay to coward out to the portal and skip the elite boss, if i encounter him?

In a related note, out of the 4 blessings Li can get, what's your opinion on which one is better?

remote olive Nov 26, 2023, 11:24 AM

#

just run from the elite and toss them meteors

#

you'll clear em easily with the small arson maker

fallen escarp Nov 26, 2023, 11:44 AM

#

somber solar I wanna burn stuff with fox, but i keep dying alot in the early stages, mostly b...

Best hero blessing Li can get? Raging Inferno.

The actual power it adds when the build is at full power is one of the more mediocre hero blessings, being beaten by stuff like High-powered Arc and Skill Freak.

This matters little, however, because its attached to one of the most powerful skills in the game.

somber solar Nov 26, 2023, 12:51 PM

#

Got it, thanksies~

somber solar Nov 26, 2023, 3:29 PM

#

fallen escarp Best hero blessing Li can get? Raging Inferno. The actual power it adds when th...

So i managed to get lucky with the Spiritual Flame ascensions, got lucky with scrolls, and managed to beat Reinc 9....unfortunately, i only got to Stage 2 of Endless afterwards :'c

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:01 PM

#

ok nvm i like endless

#

all it takes is 500 stacks of dual edge and 1000 stacks of extravagant consumption to start ddeleting

#

now to do a melee build with the new saw

lucid nova Nov 26, 2023, 10:02 PM

#

it gets boring fast, trust me

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:05 PM

#

the only thing i wanted was to get secondary exhil so i could actually spam my punches

#

old battle boots and fragile ody were there solely so i could take advantage of them being on the enemies

#

so far the best ive managed to do was get past 2 and a half stages

#

hate fjord as turtle though cause of the lanterns

quasi arrow Nov 26, 2023, 10:15 PM

#

split plinth all it takes is 500 stacks of dual edge and 1000 stacks of extravagant consumpti...

and stage 11

potent pawn Nov 26, 2023, 10:16 PM

#

Did ascensions like "Pyrodominance" work for skills or just weapons?

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:17 PM

#

both

#

well mostly

#

any fire/corrosive weapon with a elemental share gemini with the opposite or with painkiller can proc combustion which is then buffed by pyrodom

potent pawn Nov 26, 2023, 10:18 PM

#

ait, ty, got both pyro and elemental rage for my fox fireball run

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:18 PM

#

for that you'd probably want a primer weapon for the ones that'll survie

potent pawn Nov 26, 2023, 10:19 PM

#

imaging using guns smh my head

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:19 PM

#

poison kunai or venom aura (idk names properly) are the best primers for corrosive

potent pawn Nov 26, 2023, 10:19 PM

#

venom is great

split plinth Nov 26, 2023, 10:19 PM

#

potent pawn imaging using guns smh my head

simply punch

lunar vigil Nov 27, 2023, 3:41 AM

#

split plinth hate fjord as turtle though cause of the lanterns

backfire and the elemental ring scrolls lowkey carry

split plinth Nov 27, 2023, 4:03 AM

#

enhanced or regular thunderstep would probably help there too

lunar vigil Nov 27, 2023, 4:11 AM

#

enhanced thunderstep on turtle is literally a free win

fallen escarp Nov 27, 2023, 4:16 AM

#

~~I dunno, you're still at risk of getting bad ascension RNG and not having enough sustainability on your Tidal Aspis, then getting blindsided by a powerful attack.~~

spice mist Nov 27, 2023, 4:24 AM

#

looping mode is sick

#

👍

deep ore Nov 27, 2023, 4:57 AM

#

agree i like the implementation

#

#

revealer is a very good weapon as well

#

(this was literally my first run of endless and my first run of the day lol)

#

honestly one of my favorite things about this game is the consistently creative implementations of weapon designs

#

the fact that they made a literally bog standard cod rifle feel really good to use deserves praise

#

dragons breath looks really neat though i havent figured out how best to work it yet

#

(though i suspect it might actually not be all that good just given that it's firerate is quite limited)

#

but that's a cool design too

#

a spartan laser with the reload mechanic from the DICE star wars battlefront

#

it also is visually gorgeous

dry cloud Nov 27, 2023, 9:56 AM

#

https://puu.sh/JVoEY/bfd5662b93.png
cards dont come out fast enough past the 2nd loop

cursive lance Nov 27, 2023, 3:53 PM

#

Is star devourer better for bunny with the 2% dmg for every bullet in the magazine inscription or demon lore because of 990% weapon dmg at max stacks. I’m asking because of the difference in ROF between the two. Since they both can get aimbot

nimble flint Nov 27, 2023, 3:54 PM

#

Star Devourer loses RoF the less full the mag is

#

In terms of sheer power Demon Lore just wins without contest

cursive lance Nov 27, 2023, 4:03 PM

#

It’s defo interesting. I just have to find a good demonlore and leave it in my arsenal so i can try endless

jade quartz Nov 27, 2023, 4:41 PM

#

deep ore dragons breath looks really neat though i havent figured out how best to work it...

i heccin LOVE dragons breath lol. i think its pretty mid, as in there are better choices, but its so satisfying to blast a million enemies at once with a powerful enough gun heh

#

especially the god damn lanterns

cobalt dock Nov 27, 2023, 5:13 PM

#

cursive lance Is star devourer better for bunny with the 2% dmg for every bullet in the magazi...

Devourer

#

that inscription insane

cursive lance Nov 27, 2023, 5:15 PM

#

Is that because of the increased ROF of star devourer because how i understand the inscriptions was 2% extra dmg for every bullet that highest amount of rounds in a mag i had before was 230 i think with star devourer. Wouldn’t that be around 460% weapon dmg compared to the 990% of demonlore?

cobalt dock Nov 27, 2023, 5:15 PM

#

990% base dmg

#

weapon levels are 15% base damage each

#

the star devourer inscription is total dmg

cursive lance Nov 27, 2023, 5:17 PM

#

💀 OMGERS OMGERS OMGERS OMGERS

#

Oh my

#

Looks like i have to try and get one

split plinth Nov 27, 2023, 5:42 PM

#

so reason ppl can scale into endless rlly strong is cause the skill or weapon is elemental based or upgrading weapon a fuck ton

nimble flint Nov 27, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

Weapon upgrades matter little

#

its 15% of the base dmg

#

not previous level

delicate blaze Nov 27, 2023, 7:11 PM

#

I don't fully understand what this means

void quail Nov 27, 2023, 7:18 PM

#

@delicate blaze shoot 2 shots instead of 1 but u do 60% of the dmg instead of 100%

#

So if ur sniper is doin 1k per shot u will now see 2 ticks of dmg for 600

nimble flint Nov 27, 2023, 7:20 PM

#

Well numbers are almost right , math can get hard

#

When shooting there is a 100-(3.5*Projectile count) chance to hit twice but with -50% total dmg
So a chance per shot to hit twice for the same dmg

#

Single shot sniper has a 96.5% of this happening
But a shotgun with 15 Projectiles only a 100-3.5*15 = 47.5% chance

#

This is great if you have on hit effects like Spore

lunar bridge Nov 27, 2023, 7:25 PM

#

nimble flint When shooting there is a 100-(3.5*Projectile count) chance to hit twice but with...

does the '3.5 * Projectile Count' part counts base-
oh, you just answered what I'm about to ask.

delicate blaze Nov 27, 2023, 8:35 PM

#

very cool, Thanks!

primal depot Nov 27, 2023, 8:58 PM

#

Does anyone know/think they will change the endless mode to not be so restrictive? seems like an overall negative opinion on it.

#

Haven't kept up in a few days

fallen escarp Nov 27, 2023, 8:59 PM

#

Almost certainly, in my opinion.

#

The bigger question is whether the people who wanted it will regret asking for the changes, or if they'll just demand more.

primal depot Nov 27, 2023, 9:00 PM

#

Good point

median crater Nov 27, 2023, 10:27 PM

#

i dont like the timer personally, so much rng screwed with enemies not dying(inmortal ones on timer), waves etc, just a time loss regardless

split plinth Nov 27, 2023, 10:47 PM

#

primal depot Does anyone know/think they will change the endless mode to not be so restrictiv...

like making the dr scaling less harsh or what

spice mist Nov 27, 2023, 10:54 PM

#

has anyone gotten fire enthusiast deadly counter recently

#

last time i got it it didn't work

#

maybe i had flame shard i dont remember

primal depot Nov 27, 2023, 10:58 PM

#

split plinth like making the dr scaling less harsh or what

The time limit, not allowing more ascensions, like a rerun+

split plinth Nov 27, 2023, 10:59 PM

#

i can imagine having every single ascension maxed on a character would be particularly op

primal depot Nov 27, 2023, 11:07 PM

#

Infinite scaling of enemies

shadow comet Nov 28, 2023, 1:21 AM

#

with interdependent fortunes and skill bible which gives +120% skill damage, but enemies take -40% skill damage ... does this make sense to take if doing a build that uses a lot of skill damage?

fallen escarp Nov 28, 2023, 1:24 AM

#

Yes and no.

#

No, because the -40% skill DMG on enemies is multiplicative, having a way larger impact than Spirit Bible's benefit.

Yes, because only a fraction of enemies will actually receive the -40% skill DMG.

cursive lance Nov 28, 2023, 1:55 AM

#

what do people look for on the justice. I know it got buffed but im wondering what are some good options on it. (trying to improve my arsenal weaps)

bleak quest Nov 28, 2023, 2:40 AM

#

Projectiles

shadow comet Nov 28, 2023, 2:48 AM

#

momentary rant about elite monks and their healing ending my melee endless run 😦

calm hawk Nov 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

#

What happened? this is like the 3rd patch this week

lunar mica Nov 28, 2023, 5:13 PM

#

what difficulty should I play to farm the currency ? I've played 30h a year ago, lvl 135, trying to finish the characters trees

lucid nova Nov 28, 2023, 5:27 PM

#

Any reincarnation level

main forum Nov 28, 2023, 6:45 PM

#

fallen escarp No, because the -40% skill DMG on enemies is multiplicative, having a way larger...

Isnt spirit bible also multiplicative?

cobalt dock Nov 28, 2023, 6:56 PM

#

main forum Isnt spirit bible also multiplicative?

no

shadow comet Nov 28, 2023, 8:02 PM

#

Hard to tell what is multiplicative and what isn't but it makes sense that the player and enemies would be separate. Example being if you already have 200% skill damage, Bible adds 120 so now 320%. Enemy takes 40% less damage from skills. 60% of 320 is 192. So your effective skill damage is now only 192% down from 200%

split plinth Nov 29, 2023, 1:05 AM

#

so basically if you take spirit bible from interdependent its a net dmg loss

#

well good to know now

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 1:07 AM

#

Like the original answer, yes and no.

#

Yes against enemies with Spirit Bible.
No against enemies without Spirit Bible.

void quail Nov 29, 2023, 1:07 AM

#

Its not always net loss

#

If u only have spirte bibls and nothing else then u have 220/%40

#

Which makes u do like 140% or something instead of 100%

split plinth Nov 29, 2023, 1:10 AM

#

well im probably not gonna take spirit bible from interdependent anymore cause i refuse to deal with armored robust spirit bible'd mountain guards

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 1:12 AM

#

Just use a bloody drill against them.

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 1:17 AM

#

Or use any build that would instantly kill them. If you're in act 4, you've got a lot of options.

lunar mica Nov 29, 2023, 2:07 AM

#

anyone down to play in nightmare ? it's too late i cant find someone anywhere

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 2:14 AM

#

Use the LFG channels.

vapid crag Nov 29, 2023, 2:27 AM

#

managed to get to nightmare

#

lets gooooooo

#

arslinist

#

octopus gun is fire

spice mist Nov 29, 2023, 5:46 AM

#

is there any visual distinction on which elite stalker is the real one

#

i can't tell

#

only way ive been able to tell is by shooting it and the clones take less dmg

#

but sometimes i just one shot the clone and i just waste 5 mins guessing LOL

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 5:47 AM

#

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Thunderous_Stalker#Finding_the_real_Elite_Thunderous_Stalker

Gunfire Reborn Wiki

Elite Thunderous Stalker

"The enigmatic elites among Thunderous Stalkers. They can conjure identical mirror images to fight together." Elite Thunderous Stalker is an enemy found in Hyperborean Jokul. It is the elite...

lucid nova Nov 29, 2023, 8:33 AM

#

afaik there is a extra red aura/outline around the real one

nimble flint Nov 29, 2023, 8:44 AM

#

Yesnt

#

the aura outline is from the burn effect

#

only the original keeps that after splitting it

snow pine Nov 29, 2023, 9:43 AM

#

is it normal for an endless journey elite to have like 500 million hp?

nimble flint Nov 29, 2023, 9:50 AM

#

HP increases further you get

#

until it caps out

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

does counter violence give cudgel 50% chance to crit?
and does that stack with the 40% from holding a sniper?

lucid nova Nov 29, 2023, 7:04 PM

#

it does increase the crit

#

but i think the chances are rolled seperately

nimble flint Nov 29, 2023, 7:10 PM

#

Separated roll effects

#

One is directly tied to your primary (like the ascension) and the other is an all around purpose of hits in general critting

#

So its not 90% but a 40% and a 50% roll

lunar mica Nov 29, 2023, 8:42 PM

#

1h queue get me out pls

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 10:45 PM

#

at what point is the speed at which someone bleeds out reset?

#

friend has died, completely, I killed the boss...new stage, he's still fading out super fast

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 10:47 PM

#

Sounds like he has the airbag scroll, which is a good scroll.

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 10:48 PM

#

It doesn't get reset without talents.

#

Though to be fair, if you get knocked down enough to hit the minimum timer, you've probably died too many times already.

#

Oh jesus christ, I just came to the realization that Borderlands, not being a rougelike, has a less generous coop revive mechanic.

#

Fuckin hell.

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 10:53 PM

#

Oh he meant the down timer...lul

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 10:56 PM

#

glad iris Oh he meant the down timer...lul

....indeed

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:19 PM

#

because it doesn't seem fair, we kept going, killed another boss, he died completely and I paid to revive him, and his death timer was still like 3 seconds

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

Sounds perfectly fair to me. He kept dying in a game where 2 deaths are the usual limit. He died again, this time permanently, and as a result an increased cost was added with no reduction on the penalty.

#

If someone keeps making mistakes, expect them to be punished more and more for it.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:24 PM

#

right but, are you saying there is never a time when the speed at which he dies is reset?

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 11:24 PM

#

There is, from talents.

#

Without them though, no there is never a time when it's reset.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:26 PM

#

what is the name of the talent please, or what keyword can I search for it?
He is max level so should have it

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 11:27 PM

#

Revitalization.

#

I dislike that talent so much.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:27 PM

#

Why is that?

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 11:27 PM

#

It, if used optimally enough, completely removes the bleed out timer penalty for dying.

#

It's half the reason why you can see victory screens where people have died over 50 times.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:30 PM

#

Each to their own I guess... It wouldn't disturb me if I saw 100 deaths, if that's what they want to do

fallen escarp Nov 29, 2023, 11:31 PM

#

It encourages a massive, massive difference in difficulty when comparing solo to multiplayer.

#

Yes, multiplayer is supposed to be easier, and it is with the ability to revive other players and share stuff.

But Revitalization (and Benevolence) takes it to the absolute extreme by making death almost meaningless.

#

It's part of the reason why Elite Mandrill Cavalry is one of the most hated enemies in the game.

They're practically the 1 thing that can counter your infinite revive spam.

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 11:33 PM

#

I think those talents makes people play more reckless.

#

And I dislike it.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:38 PM

#

Fair enough,
I think, I like it, maybe because it allows for more recklessness

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 11:41 PM

#

It just forces other players into bad situations, which then turns into revive chaining.

#

Or worse, they run off after getting revived then go down again.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:44 PM

#

I would rather just have the oppurtunity to help someone, than prefer they just die quickly and get it over with

#

So because I killed the first boss on my own, he missed out on those items and goblet
He died again in the second area, and again missed a goblet
And then in the 2nd boss, so missed those things

Eventually I also died at towards the end of the 3rd area (R9) but, it was just kinda sad that, sure you die because maybe you aren't playing too great, but then you're more likely to die again because you've missed out on items, so relatively you already aren't great, and you just keep getting worse and more likely to die each time

glad iris Nov 29, 2023, 11:51 PM

#

Stay close to each other.

cold hedge Nov 29, 2023, 11:51 PM

#

It is what it is
We have different playstyles
He was melee, I was ranged

#

I just think it's an interesting(not in a positive way for me) design choice to make your life harder in game once you already failed
Like "oh, your sucking right now, well...lets kick the difficulty up"

fallen escarp Nov 30, 2023, 12:01 AM

#

That's another thing I don't really like about revive system and wish it got changed to something better (like one of my suggestions).

But it at least has the saving grace of acting as intended without being boosted to absurdity by other factors.

#

It would be just as bad as Revitalization+Benevolence if say... being on high enough difficulty causes you to lose ascensions and destroy scrolls each time you get knocked down.

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 1:08 AM

#

has anyone been having issues with performance since the new update

#

ive been getting massive drops in framerate any time an enemy is on screen and even occasionally having enemies rubber band in single player

#

which i have NEVER seen before

#

yknow what let me try verifying my cache

#

maybe something got corrupted in the update

bleak quest Nov 30, 2023, 1:14 AM

#

deep ore ive been getting massive drops in framerate any time an enemy is on screen and e...

I got a large frame drop constantly when I tried streaming gunfire and recording it at the same time

#

But idk if that's my computer, it didn't happen before

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 1:15 AM

#

i also noticed that it got much worse when i tried streaming to discord

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 1:32 AM

#

another fun bug that's appeared since the update is that the "give up" prompt when you die now no longer reliably works

#

so sometimes you have to alt-f4 because it won't let you give up

ornate falcon Nov 30, 2023, 1:33 AM

#

deep ore has anyone been having issues with performance since the new update

Yeah apparently the latest hotfix really borked up the performance of the game.

#

On my end I don't have any framedrops, but I have weird network lag even if I'm a host. It gets so bad, that things rubberband all over the place.

#

Which never happened before.

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 1:34 AM

#

verify your cache

#

it seemed to fix the problem for me somehow

#

i lied

#

now the rubber banding is back and worse than before

#

i think discord must be the problem here

#

if i'm in a voice chat it gets rubberbandy

#

if i leave the voicechat the problem disappears

#

i have absolutely no idea how this could be related but it's the only thing i can see

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:43 AM

#

okay nevermind

#

now the rubberbanding is getting so bad that enemies are standing perfectly still and killing me as if they were active

#

game's actually unplayable until this gets fixed i guess

void quail Nov 30, 2023, 2:54 AM

#

@deep ore it seems like vc is the problem so ya know dont be in vc?

#

Ive had the issue where i push talk and ym game frezes so i just sont talk

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:54 AM

#

i was not in vc when it got that bad

void quail Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

deep ore if i'm in a voice chat it gets rubberbandy

^

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

i was playing solo without being in vc but the rubberbanding still hit and got me killed again for the fourth time tonight

void quail Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

deep ore if i leave the voicechat the problem disappears

^

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

yes i can read what i said

void quail Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

R u presing T

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

i'm saying that doesn't apply anymore

#

no? why would i do that in solo

void quail Nov 30, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

Could be accidentally

#

Thats the onlytime.i ruber band

deep ore Nov 30, 2023, 2:56 AM

#

well that is no longer my experience

#

it just keeps finding more times to rubber band

#

vaults seem particularly bad about it for some reason

#

like, sometimes it'll start rubberbanding in vaults when it wasn't outside them (and in fact before i gave up I died in a vault), and sometimes if it's laready rubberbanding outside a vault it gets far worse in the vault

#

i think voice chat or streaming is probably exacerbating an already extant issue with the game's communication protocol

#

one that's bad enough to even affect solo play, which means until a fix for that is in i'm just not going to play anymore

glad iris Nov 30, 2023, 3:08 AM

#

single player rubberband?

#

That's back again?

ionic jungle Nov 30, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

Question, how do you fight/kill gluttony

#

just shoot the stomach?

pearl garden Nov 30, 2023, 3:50 AM

#

Idk I literally just shoot him until he dies even though he spams invulnerable 80 times before he dies

bleak quest Nov 30, 2023, 5:27 AM

#

ionic jungle just shoot the stomach?

Yeah, just shoot at the stomach and hide behind the rocks he summons whenever he does that weird absorbing attack that tries to pull you tword him

somber solar Nov 30, 2023, 7:53 AM

#

"Pay Attention to Avoid!"

quasi arrow Nov 30, 2023, 3:35 PM

#

cold hedge does counter violence give cudgel 50% chance to crit? and does that stack with t...

I'll add a little to what has already been said. Since the chance of a critical hit is independent, it often doesn't make much sense to 'stack' the unstackable. If you're not playing in an endless mode, it makes sense to take Counterviolence right away. If you're playing in an endless mode, it's better to focus on Critical Cudgel and increase the level of your weapon.
Let's say you have 50% from Counterviolence, 40% from the Sniper Rifle, and let it be 35% from Critical Cudgel. Your critical hit chance will be 80% (okay, 80.5%). On the other hand, you can achieve 80% by simply using Critical Cudgel III and reaching weapon level 45, which is quite easy to do even on the first playthrough.

cold hedge Nov 30, 2023, 3:45 PM

#

quasi arrow I'll add a little to what has already been said. Since the chance of a critical ...

Thank you for this breakdown

ionic jungle Nov 30, 2023, 6:40 PM

#

bleak quest Yeah, just shoot at the stomach and hide behind the rocks he summons whenever he...

makes sense thank you

ionic jungle Nov 30, 2023, 6:40 PM

#

pearl garden Idk I literally just shoot him until he dies even though he spams invulnerable 8...

lol got it

cold hedge Nov 30, 2023, 9:03 PM

#

Finally got all the steam achievements again.
See you guys next year :p

snow pine Nov 30, 2023, 11:21 PM

#

finally got a win on li arslinist

tough pelican Dec 1, 2023, 2:29 AM

#

did they fix that bug where the revealer only killed things in 2 hits instead of one

#

also can we start calling the revealer the call of duty

bleak quest Dec 1, 2023, 2:51 AM

#

I call it the cod gun

alpine umbra Dec 1, 2023, 2:17 PM

#

what is the revealer

nimble flint Dec 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

#

Gun

split plinth Dec 1, 2023, 4:48 PM

#

but you can aim down sights

#

revolutionary in a game where its the only assault rifle you can aim down sights with

somber solar Dec 1, 2023, 10:24 PM

#

You can turn the game into Battlefield 2042 with that gun!

valid zephyr Dec 2, 2023, 1:29 PM

#

I think my stats are decent

lunar bridge Dec 2, 2023, 2:34 PM

#

heh, nice.

rough echo Dec 2, 2023, 4:00 PM

#

what are some good guns for Ao Bai?

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 4:04 PM

#

Anything Automatic

#

Or things that go boom

#

Really that simple

rough echo Dec 2, 2023, 4:40 PM

#

kk ty

tough pelican Dec 2, 2023, 6:08 PM

#

what exactly makes monkey piercing flame busted

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:11 PM

#

High Dmg Single hit Sniper , Sniper Cudgel can crit
Inscriptions apply to the Cudgel

#

Its not inherently the Sniper Rifle but also Key is +1 Projectiles inscription

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

isn't shrieker just better

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

Its a launcher

#

Cant crit

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

shrieker can crit?

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:12 PM

#

Skill

#

You dont shoot at all

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:13 PM

#

it still can crit as far as I'm aware

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:13 PM

#

,,,

#

The PRIMARY skill

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:13 PM

#

yes

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:13 PM

#

Only crits with the ascension

#

Shrieker is a launcher

#

it gets AoE added to the primary skill

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:14 PM

#

why not want them all with sniper + shrieker?

#

Unless that doesn't apply

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:14 PM

#

Inscriptions

#

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055550986292297838/1177233111294156970/image.png?ex=657afd45&is=65688845&hm=c9e792fdf34d8b8a79cfac692c9f8b410d8a0215d844dfdd7ad05e31445a8280&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

#

Like this one

#

Those inscriptions trigger on the Cudgel hit

#

If it is in off hand they dont

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:17 PM

#

Well, ig I could be wrong but I still feel the shrieker has many similar inscriptions like extra explosion on hit yada yada

#

and much higher base damage

#

as well as extra projectile

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:17 PM

#

That dont apply to the Cudgel hit

#

Explosion modifier is for the gun projectile

#

The skill hit is not affected by that

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:18 PM

#

and the ones that boost damage and lucky shot similarly?

#

once again i could be wrong but, I just am trying to figure it out

#

ig help would be a bit presumptious

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 6:20 PM

#

"The skill deals damage based on your currently held weapon, including levels, projectile count, element, CritX, Lucky Shot Chance, various other bonuses from inscriptions "

#

Crit X being a factor as well

#

Overall PF is just a better fit

upbeat drift Dec 2, 2023, 6:20 PM

#

I understand that all

#

k

thorny solar Dec 2, 2023, 6:34 PM

#

Just wondering, is the Dragon Breath not affected by RoF and reloading bonuses?

lucid nova Dec 2, 2023, 6:44 PM

#

nimble flint https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055550986292297838/1177233111294156970...

Thats mine! :D

cobalt dock Dec 2, 2023, 6:59 PM

#

the only one thats bugged!

lucid nova Dec 2, 2023, 7:05 PM

#

I can dupe it and trade it if u wanna play around with it

nimble flint Dec 2, 2023, 7:11 PM

#

thorny solar Just wondering, is the Dragon Breath not affected by RoF and reloading bonuses?

yesnt

#

Rof does nothing ( havent noticed it anyway)
Reload speed changes the size of the success area for the reload mini game

#

But not the start of the area

#

so it just gets bigger towards the end of the bar , meaning of you have no trouble reloading normally then reload speed is useless

thorny solar Dec 2, 2023, 7:12 PM

#

Ah, got it. Tyty.

lofty bay Dec 2, 2023, 8:39 PM

#

rough echo what are some good guns for Ao Bai?

Frenzied Shark

fallen escarp Dec 2, 2023, 8:41 PM

#

~~Don't try to bamboozle them.

We all know that Glimmering is the real good gun.~~

pearl garden Dec 2, 2023, 10:08 PM

#

That's why you have two hands so you can hold one of each

ionic jungle Dec 2, 2023, 10:46 PM

#

qq interdependent fortunes, does that mean the enemies get the abilities of scrolls you get or just their own random affixes?

fallen escarp Dec 2, 2023, 10:48 PM

#

They get unique bonuses from scrolls you select at each resting area.

#

Some bonuses are actually penalities.

#

Yes, you can make enemies weaker if you know how to abuse it.

ionic jungle Dec 2, 2023, 10:49 PM

#

interesting

#

that's cool

#

tyty

weak quarry Dec 3, 2023, 1:23 AM

#

jumped back into the game to try out endless mode

#

Pole Monarch after the fifth loop:

weak quarry Dec 3, 2023, 2:30 AM

#

well that was fun

#

got close to hitting 1 trillion, shame

thorny solar Dec 3, 2023, 2:57 AM

#

Is it normal that enemies started spawning before the timer went off?

fallen escarp Dec 3, 2023, 3:06 AM

#

No it is not.

thorny solar Dec 3, 2023, 3:09 AM

#

I see

#

And I take it being past the boss bar isn't normal either?

fallen escarp Dec 3, 2023, 3:10 AM

#

It also is not.

#

I wanna know what happens when it reaches 30m.

#

Probably nothing, since the Gluttony portal trigger is the elite swarm being defeated.

thorny solar Dec 3, 2023, 3:24 AM

#

I accidentally closed the game .-.

fallen escarp Dec 3, 2023, 3:25 AM

#

Awww...

pine oxide Dec 3, 2023, 4:57 AM

#

first endless run ever

stoic ermine Dec 3, 2023, 5:47 AM

#

I'm just curious what buff you get when you recycle the ascensions.

weak quarry Dec 3, 2023, 6:01 AM

#

press C and mouse over the fire icon

#

weapon damage, skill damage and cooldown reduction IIRC

topaz turret Dec 3, 2023, 8:25 AM

#

endless run we just finished 😄

ionic jungle Dec 3, 2023, 6:49 PM

#

i can't tell if doing solo runs is easier with hero or i'm just not good with the other characters
hero makes getting to loop much easier

nimble flint Dec 3, 2023, 6:54 PM

#

Hero ??

ionic jungle Dec 3, 2023, 7:13 PM

#

cat

alpine umbra Dec 3, 2023, 11:16 PM

#

crown prince is very strong, but id say that you just gotta find what works for you

deep ore Dec 3, 2023, 11:21 PM

#

is it just me or did they make lu wu's attack where he runs up and smashes the ground way stronger recently

#

that one was always tricky to dodge but now it's basically completely impossible

#

there doesnt seem to be a timing trick where the attack can be dodged with a dash, so the only way to really escape is to have neough movespeed buffs to completely leave him behind when he triggers the attack animation

#

maybe r9 buffed his attack speed in a way that made that specific attack undodgeable

deep ore Dec 3, 2023, 11:41 PM

#

also is storm chaser just "the Spiritual Assault weapon" because holy shit it seems absolutely awful in maingame

#

not being able to strafe and dodge and having to awkwardly use aim to turn to keep the accelerate bonus is awful on the maingame maps

mint kiln Dec 4, 2023, 12:15 AM

#

any1 knows if this is bugged? the number kept climbing and declining

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 12:16 AM

#

"-3 target progress upon taking damage. (1s cooldown)"

#

Read the big red arrow bit next time.

nimble flint Dec 4, 2023, 12:47 AM

#

And if you forgot :
Hit the info button ( Default C)

mint kiln Dec 4, 2023, 1:45 AM

#

yeah the info button didnt show it tho :/ but its okay

nimble flint Dec 4, 2023, 7:59 AM

#

It does

#

there is a special little section for Mission From Above

valid zephyr Dec 4, 2023, 10:45 AM

#

Of course the game bugs and deletes 2 of my weapons from my stash. love it, both were imprinted and still got deleted

last oracle Dec 4, 2023, 12:06 PM

#

Does anyone know why queueing up doesnt seem to work?

#

Or is it only for nightmare or higher?

#

Because I never get teammates but dont want to do nightmare alone

nimble flint Dec 4, 2023, 12:18 PM

#

A) Queues are only with people who use that feature. Then also its only in the difficulty you queue for, Normal , Elite, Nightmare and Reincarnation ( 9 are one queue)
B) Most people solo or premade
C) Its currently midday on a monday in Europe and US still night or VERY early morning on a MONDAY

You chose the worst time to queue

bleak quest Dec 4, 2023, 1:31 PM

#

I only get queues when it's late at night in America

#

Like at 10 pm CST

junior wave Dec 4, 2023, 1:56 PM

#

is reviving bugged? i have to double tap to revive

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 2:27 PM

#

Known issue--you're not the only one noticing that 🙂

#

Hopefully fixed soon.

ionic jungle Dec 4, 2023, 3:32 PM

#

dumb q, the 'hit enemies for x times' quest, is that for any weapon hit or only head shots?

#

I gotta be so bad at these other characters man, it's so hard to get Li to work on reincarnation
unless i'm doing the wrong build but damn, she falls over compared to dog and cat

#

Fox and Rabbit are so tough*+

last oracle Dec 4, 2023, 4:59 PM

#

nimble flint A) Queues are only with people who use that feature. Then also its only in the d...

Oh no I didnt queue now, just mostly end of the day or on weekends, just never got someone in my lobby. I queue on nightmare and lower as I still need to finish nightmare, didnt know reincarnation had 9 levels damn

#

But I played this game when it got released first and queues barely took time, at least I joined someone before it started searching teammates, now I dont

#

But guess I need to reach higher lvls, I'm 98 on the talent tree rn so after I upgrade the weapon crit and lucky shot it's still hard sometimes

split plinth Dec 4, 2023, 7:02 PM

#

piercing flame cudgel with critx or corrosion share?

#

tryna go deep into endless

nimble flint Dec 4, 2023, 7:11 PM

#

Element

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 7:20 PM

#

Painkiller might make CritX better if you rolled an burn 80% PF but yeah you want combustion procs as much as possible because combustion scaling is OP.

#

So element is safe.

weak quarry Dec 4, 2023, 7:24 PM

#

how deep is "deep" in endless?

glad iris Dec 4, 2023, 7:29 PM

#

When the game starts acting wonky.

cursive lance Dec 4, 2023, 8:05 PM

#

weak quarry how deep is "deep" in endless?

played a game with my friends and we were in there for a while, I was spamming so many swords that our ping shot up to 999. We all live in the same city. Not sure if it was a coop issue or what but yea. Safe to say we stopped after that consistently started happening. That's why I just run endless solo now.

glad iris Dec 4, 2023, 8:09 PM

#

That's a co-op thing, too many objects being processed through the connection.

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 8:34 PM

#

weak quarry how deep is "deep" in endless?

Whenever the Frenzied Shark becomes not viable

#

Because at that point why even bother playing?

obsidian solstice Dec 4, 2023, 8:36 PM

#

Who is a good character for solo players?

nimble flint Dec 4, 2023, 8:40 PM

#

Prince is all round good solo

obsidian solstice Dec 4, 2023, 8:43 PM

#

The elemental cat

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:17 PM

#

I also vote Prince because imo playing CrownPrince_2 teaches you how to win the game more than any other character.

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:18 PM

#

Painkiller:

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:18 PM

#

By this I mean his kit doesn't shoehorn itself into just one way of playing. You can craft a lot of solutions on how to exploit the game's mechanics. Plus he's slow so you have to consider movement/movement debuffs with his nades.

cursive creek Dec 4, 2023, 9:24 PM

#

is justice still explosive

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:25 PM

#

Yes.

obsidian solstice Dec 4, 2023, 9:36 PM

#

Are all elements good or is there 1 thats just not that good.

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:39 PM

#

inb4 Altanna says shock

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:39 PM

#

Shock.

#

(I said that just because you said it. The real answer is Lightning.)

obsidian solstice Dec 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

#

So lightning is worthless?

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

#

Lightning, Shock and its associated fusions are the worst of any element.

obsidian solstice Dec 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

#

Ahh ok

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:40 PM

#

Not worthless and often still better than non-elemental, but not great either.

tough pelican Dec 4, 2023, 9:46 PM

#

i have an nsane take

#

there are no bad guns

#

yes that includes glimmering and shark

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:48 PM

#

Not as insane as you think.

#

Everything becomes good when your opponent becomes easy to kill.

#

And GFR has very easy to kill opponents.

tough pelican Dec 4, 2023, 9:48 PM

#

in fact i believe people are generally too hard on glimmering

#

it cant be bad in a game where preemptive strike exists

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:49 PM

#

< using bad and good only in the context of a weapon's DPS potential

the Frenzied Shark is sick as fuck grenades go boing boing

tough pelican Dec 4, 2023, 9:49 PM

#

id pick a glimmering over dual fang any day

#

just bc dual fang is boring

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:50 PM

#

Dual Fang actually has similar skill subtlety to Glimmering.

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:50 PM

#

fallen escarp Everything becomes good when your opponent becomes easy to kill.

That's why certain "bad" weapons have high usage %s for me. Because it's fun to actually struggle sometimes.

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:50 PM

#

And fanciness.

tough pelican Dec 4, 2023, 9:50 PM

#

but is the dual fang a kunai

#

no its just a boring smg

#

like yea woohoo you deal two elements

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:50 PM

#

It's a slappy lizard.

pearl garden Dec 4, 2023, 9:51 PM

#

obsidian solstice So lightning is worthless?

Just to clarify this isn't true. All elements are good. It's just the other two offer better benefits. And said other two also have the strongest fusion in terms of damage potential.

#

And aren't significantly countered by the armored prefix lol

fallen escarp Dec 4, 2023, 9:53 PM

#

Said "better benefits" is large though, and gets even more significant the more you devote yourself to said element.

deep ore Dec 5, 2023, 2:46 AM

#

obsidian solstice So lightning is worthless?

Lightning suffers from an identity crisis where it simultaneously is supposed to be the "fat damage" element while also being specifically weak versus the two most common health types in the game

#

everything that buffs lightning buffs its damage in some way

#

including it's own effect which is a damage taken multiplier

#

but it's starting massively behind due to both health and armor resisting it

#

so it kind of just tends to do... about as much damage as normal

#

that said, Painkiller solves all problems and makes lightning weapons actually pretty dangerous since now all those damage buffs can actually affect an explosion proc too

fallen escarp Dec 5, 2023, 2:48 AM

#

If you're using Painkiller just so lightning weapons can deal reasonable damage, most of the work could also be done by Painkiller itself.

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

deep ore Dec 5, 2023, 2:49 AM

#

it's not really Painkiller helping lightning weapons, but rather lightning weapons helping Painkiller

#

i mean obviously Fire is the best element for a weapon and that's not a contest

#

especially since with interdependent fortunes you can get the god roll of both Furious Flame and Pyrodominance and get ALL the buffs

#

but if you don't get either, or neither of them, a lightning weapon can serve the purpose better than a corrosion one

#

also, this is my opinion, Manipulation is a sorely underrated element and is actually insane

fallen escarp Dec 5, 2023, 2:51 AM

#

It's underrated due to the nature of gameplay.

deep ore Dec 5, 2023, 2:51 AM

#

yeah yeah "the best CC is death"

#

that said, it helps me out a lot when the enemy is not dying... arsonists

fallen escarp Dec 5, 2023, 2:51 AM

#

Act 1 and 2 fusion effect.

#

Which is, ironically, the point where getting fusion effects is the hardest if you don't have Painkiller.

#

Even Crown Prince cannot easily bring forth Manipulation. You have to rely on Li's Blazing Meteors or, heaven forbid, Chain Lightning.

#

Neither of which are super reliable and both are better suited for inflicting the Death status.

#

Heck, Blazing Meteor doesn't even need it sometimes, because it can also stagger enemies for a similar but shorter lived effect.

#

Ehh... maybe you can do it with the Elemental Orb and Lightning Messenger blessings.

#

But if you really wanted to use an entire blessing for early game, you'd pick Painkiller or Overconsumption.

ionic jungle Dec 5, 2023, 3:24 AM

#

for Li is the better build energy draining? if so how do you make it work? Just get fire weapons with large mags and go at it?

#

or do you cast the ability and then just auto as much as you can

obsidian solstice Dec 5, 2023, 4:23 AM

#

There is only 3 bosses on Normal?

glad iris Dec 5, 2023, 4:26 AM

#

no

#

You unlock the rest.

obsidian solstice Dec 5, 2023, 4:30 AM

#

Ahh ok

#

Well after 3 bosses on a normal run it took me to a portal that ended the run

fallen escarp Dec 5, 2023, 4:33 AM

#

Yep, that's intended. You've unlocked act 4 now.

pearl garden Dec 5, 2023, 4:36 AM

#

You now get to experience the joy of being scared of penguins.

obsidian solstice Dec 5, 2023, 4:37 AM

#

Oh ok

pearl garden Dec 5, 2023, 4:37 AM

#

And their cool ranch Dorito breath--unless it's the big one. Then it's spicy nacho.

forest basin Dec 5, 2023, 8:46 AM

#

ionic jungle for Li is the better build energy draining? if so how do you make it work? Just ...

fast main hand + high fire chance offhand
mainhand doesn't need to be fire. Something like rad glove can give you combustion for example

dusky flint Dec 5, 2023, 10:02 AM

#

i wish the dual wield character was a bug

#

that way the character can dual wield bows

#

4 arms

weak quarry Dec 5, 2023, 2:01 PM

#

you can have three arms at the same time by tossing grenades while dual wielding at least

ionic jungle Dec 5, 2023, 4:37 PM

#

forest basin fast main hand + high fire chance offhand mainhand doesn't need to be fire. Some...

got it, and try to do any energy recovery talents right? Just seems so difficult comparative to other heroes, cause I'm so bad at hitting with bullets lmao

obsidian solstice Dec 5, 2023, 5:51 PM

#

Is it best to use 1 character and try to get all the talents lvled up?

glad iris Dec 5, 2023, 6:42 PM

#

Whichever characters you're most successful with.

weak quarry Dec 5, 2023, 11:09 PM

#

hmm

#

ow

solemn oak Dec 5, 2023, 11:09 PM

#

yo, if you go through act 3 and go forth to the frozen place and die, will it still award the nightmare being beaten or not?

proud shale Dec 5, 2023, 11:11 PM

#

It won’t

#

Need to beat the act or leave at act 3 boss

forest basin Dec 6, 2023, 12:04 AM

#

ionic jungle got it, and try to do any energy recovery talents right? Just seems so difficult...

Energetic Spirit improves Energy Draining, but most other ascensions benefit more from energy draining than the reverse. Burning Bullet for example is nice but won't really make or break the build, stuff like Flame Forged, Flame Talisman, or Heat Recovery are going to feel much stronger. Keeping energy draining up is mostly just a function of how many individual burning procs you can get, so projectiles, rate of fire, element chance, and anything that stops you needing to take time to reload are most helpful.
One of the benefits of a Rainbow or Rad Glove as your primary weapon is not having to aim, in addition to their high rate of fire, for sure :p

solemn sleet Dec 6, 2023, 1:29 AM

#

Wait this thread is full??

glad iris Dec 6, 2023, 1:58 AM

#

yes

#

That's why there's a Steam 2

ionic jungle Dec 6, 2023, 3:13 AM

#

forest basin Energetic Spirit improves Energy Draining, but most other ascensions benefit mor...

ahhh never thought of trying the fire glove always thought it was bad, but i'll try it when i find it and see how it goes

#

probably the harder of the heroes to play i feel on rein 9

#

but then again i'm trying owl and he's hard too

#

haven't tried turtle or dog yet or birb

junior wave Dec 6, 2023, 4:30 AM

#

weapon damage ends up being harder due to taking time to scale

#

skill damage has a better early game but limited by ur casting resource

#

also this game is literally cursed

thorny solar Dec 6, 2023, 4:39 AM

#

You're probably moreso with the amount of scrolls you have on you.
~~Even though you probably have the talisman.~~

junior wave Dec 6, 2023, 4:40 AM

#

id be fearing for my life i i didnt have talisman yet

fallen escarp Dec 6, 2023, 4:43 AM

#

No you wouldn't. Aside from a few cursed scrolls, all of them do very little.

lofty bay Dec 6, 2023, 7:52 PM

#

Some are even benefits!

nimble flint Dec 6, 2023, 8:01 PM

#

like you can trick enemies into having no armor or shield

#

or even just 1 hp

somber solar Dec 6, 2023, 8:18 PM

#

The classic Parafleshbones.

fair oasis Dec 6, 2023, 11:48 PM

#

Whats like the max loops done in endless

glad iris Dec 6, 2023, 11:50 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

Highest I've seen was 400, I'm sure someone has done more.

fallen escarp Dec 7, 2023, 12:05 AM

#

Highest currently is stage 494.

#

Because the game fucks up at that point and doesn't spawn enemies.

#

Is quite anti-climatic for an end, but that's what people get when they asked for endless.

spice mist Dec 7, 2023, 12:47 AM

#

does explosion dmg scale with skill dmg

#

i remember someone mentioning that

fallen escarp Dec 7, 2023, 1:16 AM

#

Yes.

junior wave Dec 7, 2023, 1:23 AM

#

fallen escarp Because the game fucks up at that point and doesn't spawn enemies.

is this due to enemy health reaching a limit?

fallen escarp Dec 7, 2023, 1:24 AM

#

No, that happens at stage 60 or so.

spice mist Dec 7, 2023, 3:03 AM

#

endless is fun still idk

deep ore Dec 8, 2023, 4:22 AM

#

so clarification: does Elemental Rage work multiplicitavely or just additively

fallen escarp Dec 8, 2023, 4:22 AM

#

Additively.

deep ore Dec 8, 2023, 4:22 AM

#

oh wait i see

#

DMG Taken is the multiplicative signifier

fallen escarp Dec 8, 2023, 4:23 AM

#

If it was multiplicative people would go more bananas over it than Pyrodominance 3.

pearl garden Dec 8, 2023, 5:40 AM

#

Yeah I've always treated it as nice to have but not really special. Take it if nothing else is better.

boreal stone Dec 8, 2023, 2:32 PM

#

need...new dlc..... need it injected in my veins

#

which is crazy bc the last dlc wasnt that long ago

#

and there've been a decent amount of new content

split plinth Dec 8, 2023, 4:53 PM

#

hope we get a dragon guy

worldly path Dec 8, 2023, 5:05 PM

#

ive been gone a while did they nerf bird leap build? im not seeing the blessing i used to use

#

all or nothing which i think used to be a goblet is in its place?

lunar bridge Dec 8, 2023, 5:08 PM

#

all or nothing and unstoppable momentum swap places and with reworked effects.
the former is now a blessing while the latter is now a 1 point ascension.

worldly path Dec 8, 2023, 5:09 PM

#

hmm ill have to give it a chance

#

leap build just got alot more risky lol i used to take all or nothing ONLY if i had stuff going for it

#

displacement range im assuming means leap distance?

lunar bridge Dec 8, 2023, 5:12 PM

#

uh, i think so? i don't really play birb. :p

fallen escarp Dec 8, 2023, 8:46 PM

#

worldly path ive been gone a while did they nerf bird leap build? im not seeing the blessing ...

Yes and no.

If you aren't on Reincarnation difficulty, you can no longer break your armor for large damage bonuses, and instead just get a smaller damage bonus based on leap distance. This also prevents stuff like Last Stand and Nova Shockwave from working.

If you are on Reincarnation difficulty, pick the All or Nothing blessing which is now the single OP thing that Birb has. Enjoy leaping into everything, getting such a high damage bonus that enemies are deleted, then getting such high cooldown reduction that you can immediately leap again. At least, once you're out of act 1 anyway.

pearl garden Dec 8, 2023, 8:54 PM

#

I tried that blessing recently and got stalled by Lu Wu. Felt really weak. Had bad ascension luck so could be that idk.

#

Basically eliminated rooms before that point tho so that definitely was strong. The cooldown particularly was strong.

fallen escarp Dec 8, 2023, 8:54 PM

#

Scaling issues this game suffers from gets amplified with All or Nothing.

#

All or Nothing relies on ascensions and scrolls that increase your max Armor and increase your Armor recovery.

Naturally, you have none of this at the start of the run, and plenty of it later.

#

So assuming you don't perfectly plan each leap into big groups, eventually you'll hit a point in act 1 where you're left with no armor and Leap on an actual cooldown.

#

Getting lucky or progressing will eliminate this flaw, letting you do super powerful leaps every second while being perfectly protected.

pearl garden Dec 8, 2023, 9:05 PM

#

Guess I'll just try it again later and see if the rolls are better.

ionic jungle Dec 9, 2023, 3:15 AM

#

any recommendations on how to play tao?

#

on rein9

#

good weapons on her and the like?

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 3:20 AM

#

Same way you play her on R8.

ionic jungle Dec 9, 2023, 3:20 AM

#

swords out I'm guessing?

#

haven't played her so trying to learn her

#

but kinda weird very squish but high damage

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

Her biggest hurtle is being super weak in act 1, where every hero is also weak and the game is actually difficult.

ionic jungle Dec 9, 2023, 3:22 AM

#

yeah that's what i've been seeing

#

it's tough to get past with her on act 1

#

compared to others

#

for me anyway

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 3:23 AM

#

Depends on what you take.

#

Ice Blade makes it much easier to get through.

cobalt dock Dec 9, 2023, 3:54 AM

#

Overconsumption

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 3:57 AM

#

Everyone can Overconsumption to make act 1 easier, though.

cobalt dock Dec 9, 2023, 3:58 AM

#

🤷‍♂️

ionic jungle Dec 9, 2023, 4:26 AM

#

i feel like im spoiled with cat

#

tao is so hard lol

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 4:28 AM

#

✨ Perfectly Balanced 🌟

past herald Dec 9, 2023, 4:36 AM

#

Does anyone know if I buy the game on Steam, is there any way to transfer my progress from the gamespass version?

#

Afaik, there's no login inside the game, for account progression

#

so wondering if there's any method since the game isn't on gamespass any more, but I wanted to consider buying the game if I don't have to redo everything

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 4:39 AM

#

There is an unofficial way to transfer gamepass saves to steam, though I don't remember how.

Was shown in a reddit post somewhere.

past herald Dec 9, 2023, 4:41 AM

#

i did see this https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/yi3yrc/guide_convert_xbox_gamepass_save_into_steam_save/ but don't know if it still works after X or Y update or if it doesn't cause any bans or issues afterwards

From the GunfireReborn community on Reddit: GUIDE: Convert XBOX Gam...

Explore this post and more from the GunfireReborn community

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 4:41 AM

#

I think that's it, yeah.

past herald Dec 9, 2023, 4:42 AM

#

Its like a year old but curious if anyone has tried it recently by chance

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 4:42 AM

#

I'd expect it would still work regardless of updates, because Steam has always been ahead in updates, and so far Gamepass has not made any move to catch up.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:04 AM

#

dmg on solo with everything active and 4 player count first time trying bird since being gone

#

just going into endless mode now

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:06 AM

#

pearl garden Guess I'll just try it again later and see if the rolls are better.

highly recomend giving leap build another shot

#

im hitting the dmg cap per hit limit XD

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:46 AM

#

almost didnt make it

#

how do people get to like stage 63? 10 min to clear all stages a second time was a stretch for me

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 5:50 AM

#

Crazy overkill damage.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:51 AM

#

does it ever reset time? or is taht tao getting to 167 stage within 10 min?

#

i dont think i can just staright run that fast

#

straight*

bold fulcrum Dec 9, 2023, 5:56 AM

#

#

#

This was literally the god run

#

me compared to my friend lol

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 5:57 AM

#

worldly path does it ever reset time? or is taht tao getting to 167 stage within 10 min?

You can gain time.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:57 AM

#

glad iris You can gain time.

what gains time?

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 5:57 AM

#

Completing the Act.

#

I think it's like 30 seconds.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:57 AM

#

god damn lol

#

167 dude is on crack

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 5:58 AM

#

Time also stops at the end of each stage.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 5:58 AM

#

yah i figured that one out but still at r9 i just cant go fast enough

#

leap build bird hits cap dmg pretty fast and its not a rapid fire build so bosses take a second i guess thats just the best leap build bird can do lol

#

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 6:00 AM

#

I don't think leap is viable in endless if I'm being honest.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 6:01 AM

#

it hits the 10000000 dmg cap

glad iris Dec 9, 2023, 6:01 AM

#

Yeah you're gonna need more than that.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 6:01 AM

#

yah plus them sheild holding guys absorb my leap dmgs

#

cuz aoes so big it hits the sheild prettymuch any angel

fallen escarp Dec 9, 2023, 6:05 AM

#

Many things hit the 10,000,000 damage cap.

#

Other things naturally increase that to 15,000,000 or 45,000,000.

#

And yet other things can hit that, rapidly.

#

So Leap is nowhere near the viability of other methods. Even Cleave might work better.

worldly path Dec 9, 2023, 6:06 AM

#

yah seems the best stuff for endless is rapid hitting to avoid dmg cap slowing u down

#

well im happy i at least got the end boss twice as leap bird XD

ancient ruin Dec 9, 2023, 6:49 AM

#

I love spitting out dmg

#

Ig, going for lucky shot and crit dmg wasnt even to max out dmg

obsidian solstice Dec 9, 2023, 7:44 AM

#

All 3 dash upgrades is crazy good

cobalt dock Dec 9, 2023, 8:00 AM

#

worldly path it hits the 10000000 dmg cap

Endless is Damage Cap / Second

valid zephyr Dec 9, 2023, 1:07 PM

#

true dmg cap is the integer cap

#

Where its impossible to hit any higher

soft jasper Dec 9, 2023, 10:32 PM

#

hi guys

#

wait this isnt full

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 12:06 AM

#

We are toeing around the 1k unique talker mark in the room constantly
Most of the time full
Sometimes not

kind void Dec 10, 2023, 3:33 AM

#

funi tiger run

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 6:00 PM

#

I always wondered why damage is capped at, effectively, 15,000,000

#

I suppose there's a question of "what kind of number is damage and health stored as"

#

We know copper is an 8 bit unsigned int since it caps at 65535

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 6:02 PM

#

Not a storage issue

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 6:03 PM

#

well the reason the damage cap got implemented was because in the old days you could boost a CA high enough to cause an int overflow and crash the game no

#

That's what I remember hearing

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 6:03 PM

#

Before the cap there were some semi frequent Bluescreen and crash to desktop issues that were traced back to dmg number calc and display

#

They couldnt be fully eliminated and thus to make it easier a cap was implemented

#

it wasnt an overflow issue either

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 6:04 PM

#

oh well that explains it then

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 6:05 PM

#

Just some random thing that couldnt be directly fixed

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 6:05 PM

#

Cause if it was just an overflow problem all you'd have to do is cap a hit at a quarter of whatever integer type was being used

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 6:05 PM

#

Nah not this one

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 6:06 PM

#

Or could you actually get away with a third in this case since combustion is applied as a separate hit thonk

#

technically I guess the actual damage cap is 1 trillion since that's what it would take to deal damage cap at 99.9% DR

#

Have people crossed the stage 72 barrier with every character thus far or are there still characters that haven't entered true endless

#

I've seen Li and Tao do it (and xing zhe)

#

I'd imagine it'd be fairly trivial for Lei with the right setup since he has so many multiplicative boosts (though I'm having trouble doing that myself...)

#

I could see it happening with Ao Bai and Prince

#

I might try doing it with ao bai since I thought of a funny way to do it

#

depending on how Special Ammo works, I could get it and an "all consuming" Mortar with a mag size of 80 and ammo belt and thus have 3,800% LS boost per weapon skill

#

if I then get enhanced Special Ammo, and it works the way I hope, I could then also get a 40x CritX lauf

#

I somehow doubt this is how it works though

nimble flint Dec 10, 2023, 6:37 PM

#

Atomic dog easily can do it

#

I had runs go to pre third last boss with only atomic dog and no dual edge

#

Dual edge is basically make and break for most builds

#

without it you can only get so far

#

and GOD DAMN BLOODY SHIELDS OF R9 NEED TO GO

#

Talking Horseman and Bandit shields

#

They need to have a max hp value and then break the dmg nullifier
you can blast them with multiple rounds of double nade 24 capacity atomic dog throws and they dont take a hint of dmg because the explosion is somewhere reaching the front of the shield

#

and then you get events like Demonic Nirvana and its basically screw you moment

#

Not skill but just frustration as you cant force them reliably as the impenetrable wall pushes forward and often the shield of another eats your attacks

#

Elite Horsehead doesnt have that and you can somewhat brute force through his shield , still takes time

#

And penetration effects are ignored, they go through and take no dmg , which also shouldnt be imo

white sundial Dec 10, 2023, 7:26 PM

#

havent played this game in a week because ever since a recent hotfix, it seems to lag badly for me and my wife. have they fixed this? is there a workaround?

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 8:02 PM

#

theyve been slowly fixing it

#

the 11/24 patch made the game basically unplayable and it's been walking back to being doable since

cobalt dock Dec 10, 2023, 8:51 PM

#

deep ore I'd imagine it'd be fairly trivial for Lei with the right setup since he has so ...

i mathed a biggest hit of 5 Quintillion a bit back

#

but that was before endless

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 9:14 PM

#

deep ore I always wondered why damage is capped at, effectively, 15,000,000

isnt it 1.5 billion

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 9:16 PM

#

No, both are incorrect. It's actually 10,000,000. Certain modifiers like elemental effectiveness and Combustion can increase damage beyond that though.

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 9:16 PM

#

huh, fun

#

ive heard that the brick caps out at like 1.5 billion but i guess that was wrong

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 9:16 PM

#

yeah the highest outright number is 45 million, which is cap + proper element + combustion proc

#

that said, the effective damage number can go a lot higher since you still need more damage to still hit the cap with a given damage reduction

#

in deep endless you bascially need 100,000x whatever damage you normally need to hit cap

#

since as i understand it DR rounds to the nearest tenth which means it's probably at worst 99.9%

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 9:19 PM

#

Caps at 90%, if the fixes are anything to go by.

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 9:19 PM

#

endless is spiritual assault right?

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 9:19 PM

#

Nope.

#

Spiritual Assault has an end.

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 9:19 PM

#

oh

glad iris Dec 10, 2023, 9:56 PM

#

1.5 billion with brick?

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 9:57 PM

#

this isn't fair

#

i have literally 90% of everything i need to go completely bonkers on this run

#

i have a mortar with the magazine dump inscription, i have all the survivability i'll ever need, and i have e-ammo belt AND the arms trafficker bonus

#

but i can't get special ammo

#

the literal common scroll

#

i cannot believe this

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 10:18 PM

#

ive seen both normal and large ammo twice at this point

#

it's fucking with me

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 10:22 PM

#

The real special ammo scroll was the friends we made along the way.

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 10:24 PM

#

im honsetly halfway to losing my mind

#

i'm going to run out of time because the game refuses me to give one single common scroll

#

IT KEEPS GIVING ME BACK TO ORIGIN TOO

#

ITS JUST COMMITTED TO TIMEKILLING ME

#

oh lmao

#

i somehow just got 31,000 copper off of one red chest

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 10:30 PM

#

damn

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 10:30 PM

#

im trying to think how

#

it gave me 3400 which means that the multiplier was x10

#

i have both jackpot and devils covenant along with lucky copper

#

and then of course i immediately die and have to restartr

#

can this game stop being a DICK

soft jasper Dec 10, 2023, 10:32 PM

#

devils covenant mid

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 10:32 PM

#

3400 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 2 * 2 = 30600

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 10:32 PM

#

oh it's multiplicative after all

#

wild

#

i thought they were additive bonuses

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 10:32 PM

#

Multipliers are Jackpot, Devil's Covenant, Lucky Copper and that talent which I forgot the name of.

#

Money Maker, that's the one.

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 10:42 PM

#

that's 3

#

three times ive seen normal ammo

deep ore Dec 10, 2023, 11:05 PM

#

im genuinely considering uninstalling this game right now

#

i'm going to fucking time out when i had nearly everything going for me

#

because it refused to give me one scroll

#

i have never felt more robbed in my entire gaming career

bleak quest Dec 10, 2023, 11:11 PM

#

What scroll were you trying to get

fallen escarp Dec 10, 2023, 11:12 PM

#

Special Ammo.

bleak quest Dec 10, 2023, 11:12 PM

#

Ah

deep ore Dec 11, 2023, 12:25 AM

#

yeah

#

and that's that

#

the great filter of endless is getting a UFO and some mountain guards

#

never before has such roaring success felt like such unmitigated failure

#

at this point i know that even this was folly

#

theres simply no way for mortars altfire to do enough damage

#

even when it was hitting full damage cap it was just too slow

#

some enemies just inexplicably have massive resistance to everything for no reason at all and the health pools scale FAR beyond 15m

#

oh

#

cool

#

the reason mountain guards were impossible to kill is that forced crits got a massive extra DR

#

so launchers are basically just out entirely, except maybe Justice?

#

but certainly my special ammo trick wasn't going to help that

#

if it even WORKED!

#

which I don't KNOW!

deep ore Dec 11, 2023, 1:31 AM

#

my goal is to get to stage 999

fallen escarp Dec 11, 2023, 1:40 AM

#

Plot twist: enemies stop spawning on stage 998.

deep ore Dec 11, 2023, 1:43 AM

#

we take those

obsidian solstice Dec 11, 2023, 3:03 AM

#

Does anyone play this game on console?

fallen escarp Dec 11, 2023, 3:08 AM

#

Wrong channel. Use #1116489527872204932, #1055552983951212664 or #1055548521861877781.
I don't, but others do. I doubt there are many people though, because the console ports are virtually abandoned.

obsidian solstice Dec 11, 2023, 3:35 AM

#

Damn why did they abandon the console ports?

fallen escarp Dec 11, 2023, 3:36 AM

#

Because 505 Games are lazy is the only explanation we can come up with.

#

Duoyi Games, the people who made the original Steam version plus Mobile, are trying to do something about it.

bleak quest Dec 11, 2023, 3:38 AM

#

505 games also made console terraria and abandoned it too

obsidian solstice Dec 11, 2023, 3:39 AM

#

Damn

bleak quest Dec 11, 2023, 3:39 AM

#

Console terraria just gets the late PC updates now

obsidian solstice Dec 11, 2023, 3:39 AM

#

I was hoping a bit more people played it on console since matchmaking is dead

bleak quest Dec 11, 2023, 3:39 AM

#

Instead of being it's own unique thing

obsidian solstice Dec 11, 2023, 3:40 AM

#

Except for 1 person I found

fallen escarp Dec 11, 2023, 3:42 AM

#

The matchmaking also sucks, which doesn't help.

#

At this point the console versions are like... 2 entire years behind on updates.

#

Steam has much more content available, and more players too.

deep ore Dec 11, 2023, 5:49 AM

#

it's funny, I'd long forgotten about demonlore and it's funny mechanic

#

And now it's taking me to the promised land... Kinda...

#

I mean I'm on stage 52 now and the bosses are already hitting the integer limit for their health values

#

hovering around 5 minutes time

#

honestly it might still not be enough cause I have to get those first 5 kills to start clearing really fast

pearl garden Dec 11, 2023, 9:15 PM

#

Congrats @mystic shoal on your recent Taoposting via #hall-of-fame Tao_L Tao_R
You've Taod like nobody's Taod before.

cobalt dock Dec 11, 2023, 9:26 PM

#

princecri

pearl garden Dec 11, 2023, 9:31 PM

#

Walter walked so Teaa could run I'm sure SCpetHAPPY

twilit chasm Dec 11, 2023, 10:31 PM

#

huge for the tao gamers

mint shore Dec 12, 2023, 2:45 AM

#

dammit, the ship boss always kicks my ass 😦

#

I was having such a good run with bird too

hexed lagoon Dec 12, 2023, 5:55 AM

#

So, Tao has biggest damage potential primarily because of swords enthusiast right? endless stacking of damage % and lucky shot

fallen escarp Dec 12, 2023, 5:56 AM

#

Also no casting animation for Swords out, letting you use it as fast as you want when the cooldown is very low.

hexed lagoon Dec 12, 2023, 5:58 AM

#

yeah, just seems to scale with everything

#

so if Tao is king of endless mode, who is second place?

#

and is it a distant second or close?

cobalt dock Dec 12, 2023, 6:05 AM

#

in my mind it should be dog, because he has 2 guns

hexed lagoon Dec 12, 2023, 6:16 AM

#

oh, does painkiller guarantee that the hit that caused it is a combustion, assumign that it creates an elemental effect?

#

for example, if I hit an enemy with a lightning gun for 10 damage and it inflicts shock, does the combustion effect proc and they take 30 damage?

somber solar Dec 12, 2023, 9:25 AM

#

Trying to find different kinds of builds, that isn't catkiller, that makes me either survive R9 or get far in Endless, and none of my builds accomplish both, and slowly going insane, and slowly increasing the temptation to resort to catkiller.

#

nvm, there's still hope.
I just looked at #hall-of-fame
Might gonna try Tao next, then.

nimble flint Dec 12, 2023, 10:33 AM

#

Ao Bai Infinite Dual Wield works somewhat as well

deep ore Dec 12, 2023, 1:34 PM

#

Lei can also do it

#

I'm at about stage 50 but I think if I get my rhythm down I could potentially go all the way

#

I'm still losing time on the jokul and fjord though so I'm not certain

#

@mystic shoal I noticed by the end of your run you had like 2 hours of spare time, were you ever losing time at any point

#

cause I've slowly been creeping down to about 5 minutes and hovering there

nimble flint Dec 12, 2023, 1:59 PM

#

Tomb and fjord can be time savea

#

tomb because slow , fjord less annoying enemies

deep ore Dec 12, 2023, 1:59 PM

#

hmm

#

I've found fjord to be slower

#

Mostly due to those damn lanterns

nimble flint Dec 12, 2023, 2:00 PM

#

Desert and Yokul have annoying enemies and elites

deep ore Dec 12, 2023, 2:00 PM

#

Lei doesn't really have a GOOD answer to those

#

maybe if I swap out counter violence for painkiller next chance I get

#

But then I might lose deadly counter...

#

decisions

#

painkiller would clear the lanterns faster though

#

Tombs is where I get most of my time back

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 3:33 PM

#

nimble flint Ao Bai Infinite Dual Wield works somewhat as well

you can infinitely dualwield?

nimble flint Dec 12, 2023, 3:35 PM

#

Yes ?

#

Duration Ascension

#

Lvl 1 +50%
Lvl 2 +75%
Lvl 3 +100% and Gain 2s time per 20 ammo consumed

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 3:37 PM

#

oh dang

#

thas cool

#

do you get double movement speed boost/reduction

#

when dualwielding

pearl garden Dec 12, 2023, 3:44 PM

#

soft jasper you can infinitely dualwield?

Doesn't have to be Battle Tested III either. In the keybind settings you can bind a key to cancel Dual Wield early.

Sharpshooter gifts back Dual Wield cooldown when you cancel it early, gifting back more the earlier you cancel it.

Weapon Genius [blessing] + Sharpshooter is enough to infinitely cancel and reapply Dual Wield for a few seconds. Battle Tested 1 increases this window before you have to cancel out.

Other combos that work:
Battle Tested II + Sharpshooter
Ancient Timer [scroll] + Sharpshooter

Fast Loader and Elemental Weave also work when entering into Dual Wield making them particularly effective. "Infinite" mag and 100% elemental effect chance.

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 3:45 PM

#

funky

#

dont use ao bai so didnt know

pearl garden Dec 12, 2023, 3:48 PM

#

It's not my favorite mechanic of his to have to rely on cooldown cheese but it's just what it is.

#

It's what happens when you make a character that's heavily incentivized to be in primary always. And this is a way to be in primary always.

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 3:51 PM

#

i think therss also a way to spam primary on prince

#

gonna see if i can do it on nona tho, would be funny to just "stand by for titanfall"

pearl garden Dec 12, 2023, 3:54 PM

#

#gunfire-videos message

#

If you wanna see the DW cancel in action. Look at the bottom where the duration bar is and you'll notice it. It's pretty seamless once you get used to it.

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 4:00 PM

#

funky

strange mountain Dec 12, 2023, 11:16 PM

#

how far are people getting in endless?

fallen escarp Dec 12, 2023, 11:17 PM

#

Someone reached stage 1005. They decided to quit voluntarily.

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 11:17 PM

#

strange mountain how far are people getting in endless?

very

#

teaa got to 1005

strange mountain Dec 12, 2023, 11:19 PM

#

with what build o.o

#

cause i felt my robit was maxing out...

#

i did get monkey twice through

#

a weapon build most likely right?

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 11:22 PM

#

yes

#

tao + angelic aura

#

essentially

#

also based nona gaming 💪

strange mountain Dec 12, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

pair of us maxes out so yea...

#

ah well

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

strange mountain pair of us maxes out so yea...

whats pair of us again?

fallen escarp Dec 12, 2023, 11:23 PM

#

Iron Wing can't die unless you do, and gets damage bonus based on its max HP.

strange mountain Dec 12, 2023, 11:24 PM

#

and the damage bonus is high af

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 11:24 PM

#

fallen escarp Iron Wing can't die unless you do, and gets damage bonus based on its max HP.

oh yea

#

thats funky

#

also apparently

#

hardwood missiles heal iron wing

#

never knew

soft jasper Dec 12, 2023, 11:26 PM

#

strange mountain pair of us maxes out so yea...

i just run same boat honestly

#

if you revive iron wing you get down penalty stacks removed which is helpful

bleak quest Dec 12, 2023, 11:28 PM

#

strange mountain pair of us maxes out so yea...

I prefer rockets

weak quarry Dec 13, 2023, 12:56 AM

#

I was most successful with life power dual mortar dog

#

I tried monke but it felt slow

#

well, slow for endless

#

"only 550m DPS... I won't make it through two loops"

spice mist Dec 15, 2023, 2:55 AM

#

Thoughts on the new launcher thing?

#

First impressions it’s awful it can’t get any of the geminis

teal marten Dec 15, 2023, 3:03 AM

#

Anyone wanna play

somber solar Dec 15, 2023, 12:30 PM

#

teal marten Anyone wanna play

!lfg

#

áh, i did it wrong, oops

nimble flint Dec 15, 2023, 12:35 PM

#

-lfg

proper beaconBOT Dec 15, 2023, 12:35 PM

#

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

mint shore Dec 16, 2023, 5:41 AM

#

damn, gemini inscriptions really makes thigs fun

#

and of course I die to stage 3 boss again. :/

glad iris Dec 16, 2023, 6:12 AM

#

That's because you was having fun.

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 6:13 AM

#

To be fair, the game doesn't shut you down because you were having fun.

#

If it did, Reincarnation would actually be hard.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:27 AM

#

fallen escarp To be fair, the game doesn't shut you down because you were having fun.

oh it does

#

have a 90% dmgres build with melee, healing outspeeds any damage
fucking oneshot

#

i had like

#

450 hp

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:29 AM

#

Besides endless, that practically never happens.

#

Usually you one-shot the threat first.

#

Or you facetanked a penguin.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:30 AM

#

yea uhhh i had prety meh weapons

cobalt dock Dec 16, 2023, 11:30 AM

#

Battle tested into Painkiller goes pretty hard

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:30 AM

#

battle scarred you mean?

#

yeah that blessing FUCKS

cobalt dock Dec 16, 2023, 11:30 AM

#

i always mix them up

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:31 AM

#

flame talisman with flesh n bones + battle scarred turns you into an invincible killing machine

#

as long as you have a flamethrower

#

i run battle scarred + counterviolence

#

early game sucks bc no overconsumption but holy hell

#

battle scarred is too good

#

free 65% dmg res

#

*50%

#

oopsie

weak quarry Dec 16, 2023, 10:24 PM

#

I dunno, in this game I prefer killing things fast than surviving

#

a lot of weapons feel annoying to shoot if damage is low, and on average in rein9 your damage is low without overconsumption early on

nimble flint Dec 16, 2023, 10:38 PM

#

Overconsumption wont last long in endless though

#

since you end up with 60 scrolls after the loop

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:09 PM

#

nimble flint Overconsumption wont last long in endless though

yes

#

at worst youll have +120% damage and thats it

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:10 PM

#

If you've got nothing but normal quality scrolls.

#

Rare and legendary quality scrolls decrease the bonus more.

#

If you had an equal amount of 20 normal, rare and legendary scrolls, you would lose 120% of the total bonus.

#

So if it wasn't for the minimum being +0% bonuses, you would be losing 60% damage.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:32 PM

#

fallen escarp If you've got nothing but normal quality scrolls.

thats all legendaries

#

its 3% reduction for legendaries

#

2% for rare

#

1% for normal

#

base dmg is 300%

#

60 x 3 = 180

#

300 - 180 = 120

#

therefore theres still a 120% damage bonus

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:33 PM

#

Total bonus.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:33 PM

#

iirc the bonuses dont go negative also

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:33 PM

#

10% of the total bonus is 30% DMG, 5 HP, 5 Shield/Armor, 5% Movement Speed and -5% Cooldowns.

#

100% of the total bonus is everything you get.

#

With 60 scrolls distributed across all qualities equally, you lose 120% of the total bonus, losing everything you get.

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:35 PM

#

soft jasper thats all legendaries

60 Normal quality scrolls would leave you with 40% total.

40% total is 120% DMG.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:35 PM

#

yes

#

and all other bonuses go negative

#

since theyre all 50%

#

but they clamp to 0 instead

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:36 PM

#

Again, not how it works.

#

You lose a total percentage of all bonuses.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:36 PM

#

what

#

oh

#

shit

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:37 PM

#

if you lose 50% of total bonuses, you lose 150% DMG, 25 HP, 25 Shield/Armor, 25% Movement Speed and -25% Cooldown.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:37 PM

#

lmao

#

so overconsumption is basically worthless

#

thats fun

#

i see now

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:37 PM

#

NOT 50% DMG, 50 HP, 50 Shield/Armor, 50% Movement Speed and -50% Cooldown.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:37 PM

#

so you only need 34 scrolls to basically disable it

#

legendaries, at least

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:37 PM

#

Yes.

soft jasper Dec 16, 2023, 11:38 PM

#

funky

#

worthless ass blessing

#

i knew counterviolence + battle scarred was the way

#

but yeah that sucks

#

overconsumption mid fr??

fallen escarp Dec 16, 2023, 11:39 PM

#

Overconsumption isn't one of the best blessings for no reason.

#

It's a massive stat bonus, but only at the start of a run where you're the most vulnerable.

#

It can single-handedly make many runs go anywhere, because act 1 and 2 are so brutal.

#

Act 3 and 4 it is less effective and endless mode makes it useless, but by that point you should have enough of everything else to not care about some lost stats, letting you safely ditch it for something else.

soft jasper Dec 17, 2023, 1:01 AM

#

fallen escarp It can single-handedly make many runs go anywhere, because act 1 and 2 are so br...

honeslty i die from hordes in act 3 most of the time, they just have stupid levels of damage

#

1 and 2 are less brutal honestly

#

bosses are 10x easier than elites and actual enemies istg

weak quarry Dec 17, 2023, 4:43 AM

#

the hardest bit in the game by far is early act 2
it's a vicious DPS check with all the tanky as hell enemies charging at you, traps everywhere making dodging a nightmare and instakill shots popping up any time you're out of cover

mellow loom Dec 17, 2023, 9:16 AM

#

Can you unlock the reincarnation levels without going to the 4th stage? Or must you defeat gluttony and poke monarch every time?

fallen escarp Dec 17, 2023, 9:26 AM

#

As long as you win, it unlocks the next difficulty.

#

Dying at any point will not unlock the next difficulty.

mellow loom Dec 17, 2023, 10:24 AM

#

Thanks mein

glass forum Dec 17, 2023, 10:44 AM

#

#

last night's run

hardy field Dec 17, 2023, 4:36 PM

#

My run will never exceed 60 minutes because card build is OP

bleak quest Dec 17, 2023, 4:42 PM

#

very nice, owl cards are just really op in general

#

though I'll take explosive hand over star compas if you're going for a card build

hardy field Dec 17, 2023, 4:50 PM

#

I was low on essence, Don't wanna reroll, but yea, explosive cards + endless assult OP combo

bleak quest Dec 17, 2023, 4:53 PM

#

ah I see

soft jasper Dec 17, 2023, 7:43 PM

#

weak quarry the hardest bit in the game by far is early act 2 it's a vicious DPS check with ...

99% of my runs die in duo fjord honestly

#

its hell

#

since i usually build for dmg res instead of spirit feline which is hard to get

#

and a horde of duo fjord enemies will seem like theyre survivable until you get stuck in it nad fucking oneshot by 4500 damage from god knows where

fallen escarp Dec 17, 2023, 11:09 PM

#

Well there's your problem.

Always assume getting hit isn't survivable. So don't get hit.

#

Unless you know you activated something with invincibility, or have Spirit Feline against less than 8 hits.

#Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 )