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[lucid nova]

idk what i was thinking with that nerf

[void quail]

Tbh i would enjoy r10 being r9 but no spiritual blessings

[void quail]

@bleak quest still worse than gradual improvement

[bleak quest]

[void quail]

Also u want lighting ball on it the most

[bleak quest]

I waws just given this

the rest of my thunderstorms have penetration or lightning ball

[void quail]

Still nutty tho 2 balls and 65% sdmg

[lucid nova]

why make it an update if you can just decide to go without blessings in r9 rn

[void quail]

Hmm true

[split plinth]

might try thunderstorm now

i gotta try more weapons tbh

[bleak quest]

I think this is my best thunderstorm I have atm

[void quail]

Multiple projectile blue

[lucid nova]

you dont need a perfect roll to enjoy the weapon (though double orbs aint very good for dmg)

definitely fun to watch i guess

[bleak quest]

I just like watching those red numbers go up

[lucid nova]

neither is it very good for those.... only 1 luckyshot inscription

more fun for a ele cat build

[bleak quest]

I will do better next time and forgive my sins for not understanding this game

[void quail]

Lighting ball is usually a must tho bc the arcs proca lot of suff

(Spores and bunny)

[bleak quest]

I've never done a spore build before

[lucid nova]

ew spores....

[lucid nova]

dont, keep your soul clean :D

join the anti spore gang today

[bleak quest]

reason why because I never understood how geminis worked until like

a month ago

[void quail]

Dont do rainbow thays boring

But try a thunder storm with lighting orb

[lucid nova]

any spore weapon is boring (unless ur based and use snipers)

[bleak quest]

I use snipers

[lucid nova]

then you got my seal of approval to use spores with snipers lol

[bleak quest]

I use like 4 different characters so ye

[pearl garden]

All this Thunder Storm talk yet the Justice got an even stronger buff

[fallen escarp]

Probably because Thunder Storm sucked even worse than Justice, so it's a bigger buff.

I mean, unless you had some cracked inscriptions, Thunder Storm's primary was literally worse than Foundry.

Still have no idea why they decided to just randomly remove its +1 piercing.

[queen citrus]

i am out of the loop. what happened to the thunder storm?

[fallen escarp]

• Now a launcher instead of a pistol.
• No longer shoots bullets. Now only shoots the weapon skill lightning ball.
• Lightning ball costs less ammo, does more impact damage and does significantly more damage with the lightning arcs, but also moves slower and no longer breaks shields.
• Reduced CritX and Magazine capacity.
• Exclusive inscriptions removed and replaced with new ones which fit the weapon's new theme.

Overall result: Weapon damage buff, but utility nerf (not that the utility mattered much).

[cosmic karma]

how do you know if a weapon will get a gemini when u inscript

[lunar bridge]

the weapon will get a gemini when etching if:

1. its weapon level is +5 or above, or
2. it already has 4 inscripts.

if you reroll a weapon's inscripts (like through a red chest option) if it's at +5 or above, it'll also get a gemini.

[cosmic karma]

oh okay thanks

[bleak quest]

I've gotten Gemini inscriptions when it was at level 4

[nimble flint]

technically it is possible at lvl 0 of the weapon and looks weird
Xing secondary can boost the level of a weapon
With enough of the ascension to increase that boos you can temporarily boost the level of a weapon and etch it at the craftsman giving your weapon a gemini as soon as the first craftsman you encounter

[merry needle]

omg that tech thats so cool

I CAN TALK IN STEAM

[cold hedge]

Does Iron Wings "mastery" only affect strike mode with +100% damage, or the missiles too?

[unique basalt]

how can i understand if a gemini on weapon is good or not

[fallen escarp]

Enemies dying quickly is a good indication.

Other than that, experience playing the game and understanding what works.

[unique basalt]

i played it with aura of venom and i had good damage on mobs but last boss didnt take any damage and we died

[merry needle]

u gotta say the gemini

you had the same on both weapons right

[unique basalt]

even tho this is elite it was enjoyable run

[void quail]

Damn ngl 153 mill for elite

[fallen escarp]

Spiritual Flame overkill and multiplayer.

[void quail]

Ik but stil

Idk my elite games were like 10 mill

[unique basalt]

yes i played with my 2 friends

[void quail]

I love when i drop scrolls for teammates then lataer ask for a common scroll they say no so i just go and one shot stuff for the rest of the game and they get mad at me

[lunar bridge]

Iron Wing's Strike Mode base damage scales with its own Attack Power stat,
while Iron Wing's Fire Mode base damage scales with your Hardwood Missile.
iirc, Mastery increases Iron Wing's Attack Power.

so, to answer your question: yes, Mastery only affects Strike Mode.

edit: removed incorrect info

[fallen escarp]

Mastery doesn't boost HP. That's Wood Armor.

[lunar bridge]

oh

guess i misremembered

don't really have the ascensions completely memorized off the top of my head.

[alpine island]

whoops

[vivid crane]

I was gonna say lol

Good game btw

[alpine island]

I had to bind mouse wheel to dash lol

[vivid crane]

I never really thought of that tbh

[lucid nova]

80min

[alpine island]

Yeah the downside of playing and chilling

is we dont go fast

[lucid nova]

ur running a build centered around speed....

[alpine island]

yeah, but in between stages we are chilling lol

idk how people are getting 6bill dmg games, just need 4 people to increase health?

[lucid nova]

no, get a good build

my record is a 39bil dmg game :D

[alpine island]

I mean you can only do dmg to the amount of health in game right?

[lucid nova]

you can overkill

[alpine island]

awwww

[lucid nova]

awwww??

ur saying it like its a bad thing lol

[alpine island]

No tone over text, but no thats interesting I didnt know

[lucid nova]

aight

also dmg inflating on immortal enemies and pole monarch clone

and you can pick stuff like spirit feline and livesaver as enemy scrolls

[alpine island]

ye get more respawns

I did that for a run, and we got a bunch of respawns off the missions still only managed 2bill

[stable vortex]

Hey guys, what are some fun buids for each class these days?

[lucid nova]

monkey primary with piercing flame and its exclusive inscription

exponential dmg :D

[stable vortex]

Ah I've tried sword and launcher monkey, might give that a go 🙂

[dawn sand]

What’s the name of this guy, just the “downed” icon? Does anyone have an in game image of it?

[lunar bridge]

that's... the downed icon. it is what it is? you can see it in-game on the scoreboard.

iirc anyways.

not sure if it'll show up on the scoreboard in solo play though.

[dawn sand]

Yeah just need to know if anyone has in game screen shot or picture of it haha

[merry needle]

Wait does the primary apply the piercing flame inscription

Does monkey primary apply all weapon inscriptions wth

[lucid nova]

yea...

[merry needle]

LOL omg woops

[lucid nova]

got this firetower on 2-1 without masterfull craftmanship or the enhanced weapon blessing

what a wonderfull day, time to play critX share with firetower :)

and i died :D boy do i love elite arsonist gathering

[thorny solar]

I thought flame tower is incapable of getting critX

[nimble flint]

Yeah it cant

[celest brook]

so i was thinking, the arsenal thing to store weapons, unless i misunderstand, isnt it terrible? like you only get to get a weapon out some time in W3, and even then, its a scaled level of sorts that is never even close to what weapon i would have upgraded in that run?

and even then, get an "op" weapon out to use for like 5 seconds?

[nimble flint]

Congratulations you noticed the fatal flaw of the arsenal

By the time you can use it its useless

[celest brook]

so its not just me right? i usually miss something obvious xD

[nimble flint]

No you missed nothing

its just bad

[celest brook]

though in essence, i feel like it would be overpowered if working earlier

or at least have a draw back say, if you begin a run with a stashed weapon

[nimble flint]

IMO it should be that you can deposit a weapon and then its available as a random lvl 0 roll at the start of the run or leveled version after each boss

[celest brook]

i reckon it may be a decent idea that you'd have to reach weapon levels with it to unlock its inscriptions or something similar

[nimble flint]

So lvl 0 and 1 inscription at the start of the run.
+3 Weapon at the start of the desert
+6 at the fjord start and +10 Start of Yokul

Thats how I would have had the arsenal work

And of course level correct inscription rolls

[celest brook]

id also say that each weapon would either cost or only be reused once

as nice as it would be, it would be kinda null if you could just keep using the same op weapon without limits

[nimble flint]

Thats why I said to just store the weapon type itself

The rolls and level depend on where you try to access it

[void quail]

The store is good only for high smg runs

[nimble flint]

and for a soul essence cost have those be able to be re-rolled

[void quail]

Mosttimes when u gey there u already have god enough stuff to clear

Without getting god rolls or using arsenal y game are like 1-2 bill dmg games but perfect rolls arsenals is jhst for big numbers

[celest brook]

what does the "player count" thing on lonewolf blessing do again? does it just make it hard just cos?

is there a way to bind "cancel" onto right click instead of MMB?

[nimble flint]

yes..

[proud shale]

More enemies, that’s it

[nimble flint]

If you look into keybinds you can find the actio for cancel...

[lucid nova]

Arsenal is only good for flexing or very spesific rolls

And if you wanna inflate dmg

[unique basalt]

after this lei luo feels so weak at start any advice to fix that on nightmare

[fallen escarp]

You can't fix stepping down from a broken hero to a... more reasonable hero.

[unique basalt]

oh i didnt know its a broken hero i just thought every hero has same damage and thought i was doing something wrong

[fallen escarp]

Li, Zi Xiao and Nona are all considered definitely broken.

While Lei Luo can technically achieve similar damage highs, it usually applies to less targets, especially on Nightmare difficulty or below.

[unique basalt]

i mean it was good when i played it on elite but my damage was decent something like 10 mil

20*

[fallen escarp]

Which means enemies remain alive for longer. Which means they shoot you more. Which is bad for a fragile hero.

[unique basalt]

thank you very much

im still looking builds from wiki i hope i'll learn all skill things

[merry needle]

Oh the monkey is op?

Is it cudgel or u get an op lvled weapon

Also I love the Arsenal cuz I get to save weapons that I think would be really fun to use. It sucks finding a sick gun but u can’t use it

I feel like u don’t get the arsenal too late into the game since you’ll have amazing inscriptions saved it’ll usually be worth it to swap even if it’s lower lvl right

But yea still not thattt good design

[fallen escarp]

Not nearly as OP as the others. Monke you have to go out of your way to find a high quality weapon, know what a high quality weapon is, and what else to pick to use said weapon.

The others I mentioned you just pick an ascension colour, maybe a weapon with obvious synergy to the hero, and go.

[merry needle]

Ah ok I’m glad monkey is weapon build

OH

OH OH ZI XIAO IS THE OWL

[proud shale]

yep

[pearl garden]

supremacy

[merry needle]

YOOO

YES

[jaunty harbor]

Rein 9 all mutators except transcendant now done on Monkey, dog, and bird. Tiger was first.

Monkey was a legit run, dog was atomic bomb I never used a gun at any point in the run, and bird was all or nothing immortality I only used cloud weaver for procs.

Im sure raccoon? will be easy via that cheese

Cat will be kinda hard, bunny will be kinda hard, I dont know how to break fox, Owl gives me an aneurysm, and turtle is the bane of my existence

in other news

How the hell did this happen

[fallen escarp]

Cat: Pick Painkiller. Spam war crime orbs.
Bunny: Suffer from the second worst shield and a weak start in the hardest part of the game.
Fox: Pick red ascension. Spam flaming nuke balls.
Owl: Pick purple ascension. Spam cards.
Turtle: Doesn't matter what you pick, you'll be using Tidal Aspis alot.

[jaunty harbor]

28 minutes.... that is so fast for me.

yea painkiller orbs is good, but what worries me is bosses

and cat has so very little in survival

... as does everyone else on that list except turtle

[fallen escarp]

Bosses you just find the nastiest fire weapon you can find.

Then a smoke grenade and a couple energy orbs later, you're rich because they died in a few shots.

[jaunty harbor]

I can handle birddragon, stage 1, sea worms pretty well to the point where I dont need a gamebreak to win

other bosses will obliterate me unless I melt them or get immortality

[merry needle]

WHAT THE FRICK

THATS INSANE

[jaunty harbor]

Rein 9 cat done

That was absurdly lucky

other gun had 200 in the mag

I actually could not fathom the damage output

everything died from a few bullets, and I know my damage really ramps up from constant firing

[lucid nova]

r9 is a joke

[jaunty harbor]

It isn't, for builds that are probably intended by devs

But as always, breaking the game trivializes it

[lucid nova]

so ur countering your own argument

since breaking the game is as simple as playing the game with more than a single braincell

and since every build i make is mostly glitchess the devs intended the build since they added the recources to make it

[jaunty harbor]

Devs add individual items, they do not forsee every permutation of combination with them

[lucid nova]

they do.

thats called synergy

without synergy every game sucks

why else would they add first strike? so you can get that tiny ass bonus for your first shot? no its so you can combine it with magshare or/and advanced depot

[void quail]

@jaunty harbor u should of gone shock dom if ur running high rof

Alao they do think about synergy thays why some things are buffed in specific ways

[jaunty harbor]

They think about some interactions

Not all

[void quail]

Painkiller didnt always inflict elements and endless assult didn't double grenades

Air bag was added for the coin scrolls so u have SYNERGY

iirc extravagant consumption and lucky roulette was added at same time so u have SYNERGY

[jaunty harbor]

Yes

I'm not saying devs didn't forsee synergy

Or didn't try to add some

[jaunty harbor]

This is what I said

[lucid nova]

i got this while just fucking around a bit

horrid rng btw

"hard"

just realized its a new pb for r9 lol

[jaunty harbor]

Speedrun attempts?

[lucid nova]

not really, i was just messing around

there isnt even a r9 cat on the boards

even then, if r9 can be beaten so fast its an absolute joke

just realized i gathered 25gb of gunfire clips and speedruns within 3months

[lucid nova]

good warm up for actual speedruns

[fallen escarp]

I'd just like to point out that they added the individual item "Pair of Us" and then for some godforsaken reason they buffed it.

You don't even need to synergise it with anything and you already break the game.

[merry needle]

R9 is mostly just harder attack patterns for each mob right

So it just makes runs way harder to ever beat with a normal build

[merry needle]

Wait what’s pair of us

[fallen escarp]

Improved stats and abilities depending on the enemy.

Most melee enemies get increased movement speed, enemies with shields can reflect your attacks or block them completely, some enemies shoot more projectiles, some enemies have more accurate attacks, and so on.

[fallen escarp]

Spiritual Blessing.

"Iron Wing will not be knocked down as long as Nona is standing. +1% DMG for each 1 point of HP capacity Iron Wing has."

Basically, Nona's Iron Wing cannot die as long as you aren't dead too. He also gets massive damage bonus based on his max HP, which naturally increases as you obtain literally any ascensions.

You don't even need to fight or do anything besides not die when Iron Wing has low HP.

Also practically guarantees you get her exclusive frame too, which requires Iron Wing to never die in a run.

[waxen owl]

No, they mostly have the same attack pattern but got modifier for each one of them

You can click the button here to see each mobs' modifier
You need to set the difficulty to R9 to have that button appeared

[jaunty harbor]

r9 turtle done

I think I know why I hated turtle for so long

When I first played him, item synergies like speedrunner didnt exist

speedrunner makes him scale not awfully

still not gonna play em tho, he gives me a headache with all the speed

[bleak quest]

I got her exclusive frame before knowing there was a blessing like that

[mint shore]

Whoa first time I got past the sand map

[merry needle]

God dang that’s crazy

[merry needle]

Yea I just meant it buffs the enemies essentially

Instead of like making the game harder in other ways that prevents you from@just going crazy strong meta builds that can one shot everything

I might be wrong tho

[fallen escarp]

Nope, you're correct.

Just an enemy buff, not a player nerf.

Doesn't fix any of the problems with meta builds, besides living long enough to get them online.

And even that problem was the one that needed to be fixed the least, because R8 still beat you up early on anyway.

[waxen owl]

Playing R9 long enough making ya realize its not much of different than R8

The only thing I'm afraid really the Act 1 Boss, the manticore looking one
If team doesn't really have decent mobbing build, those little square bomb gremlins just swarm u like hell
thats the most annoying one

[ionic jungle]

for dog, is life power remnant good?

[fallen escarp]

It's not bad.

Turns pretty much any HP boost into a damage boost.

With a hefty +310% weapon damage almost upfront.

[ionic jungle]

oh, well i'll try it next time, ty

i went with steady profit on this one

didn't think life power was good from reading it

but i dunno i'm learning him atm, owl was fun, the card build is really fun

[sick meteor]

i don't know if this is a bug or not, but with the mission from above "weapon forge" it isn't counting the kills i get with the selected weapon towards the progress of the mission

[pearl garden]

Soft damage cap will do that

[lucid nova]

lmao

[fallen escarp]

Damage numbers so clean you can get it 95% of runs just by using OP stuff.

[lucid nova]

he really thought he hit the perfect number

[jagged sedge]

how does aspis final shield swinging damage calculate? is it with weapon damage as welL?

[fallen escarp]

1 hit based on a shot from your held weapon. 1 hit based on Striking Punch (including all punches from Wave-breaking Blow).

[jagged sedge]

thanks!

are shotguns any good with aspis? or does it not take into account multiple hits

[fallen escarp]

It does.

[jagged sedge]

oh very nice

[jaunty harbor]

rein 9 fox run done

that was legit super fun

I went the energy is rapidly consumed blessing, got elemental weave, and used the water gun

• painkiller

[ionic jungle]

another qq

is bird's build just the melee armor one and spamming his q?

[merry needle]

shotgun or q

and then theres leap which is the strongest one

[ionic jungle]

ah got it, thank you

another dumb q, what is weapon dmg and skill damage? Skill damage is your E and Q no?

[jagged sedge]

correct, and weapon damage is the damage that your weapon does. some skills also scale with weapon damage like the monkey's E

[ionic jungle]

ah okay that makes sense

so when i get some of these soul essences that say increase weapon damage for x or w.e it's just increasing my weapons' damage

and vice versa for skills

got it, tyty

[fallen escarp]

Actually that's not quite accurate.

Weapon damage is the damage that all your weapons deal.

Skill damage is everything else such as skills that don't use weapons, plus any scroll, ascension, blessing and inscription that deals their own hits. Also includes explosions from weapons and excludes true damage.

[reef creek]

I find the concept of blessings and characters having higher weapon damage to be very funny

Like cat pulls the trigger and deals 50

Dog pulls HARDER and gets 75 on the same weapon

[merry needle]

Wait wdym explosions from weapons

Like hitting the barrels? Or combustion and any gun that have explosions or just concealed ammo

Surely those are all weapon dmg based right

[quasi arrow]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Explosion

[fallen escarp]

Weapon hits that are also explosions are boosted by skill damage.

[void quail]

Justice gets buffed by skill dmg?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

Crimson Firescale (Weapon skill), Concealed Ammo (Weapon skill), Glimmering (2nd hit), Scorching Rounds, Sting (3rd shot), and all launchers (except Thunder Storm's lightning arcs).

[merry needle]

Ok this is huge

Tysm

[lucid nova]

so you are telling me that when i run a launcher build i need skill dmg

[fallen escarp]

You don't need it, but it helps.

But know you don't double dip on "Weapon and Skill DMG" bonuses, and that the bonus is additive with regular weapon damage bonuses.

[lucid nova]

man.... you just flipped my brain

very temped to go full skill dmg and run a justice and see how it goes

[fallen escarp]

Probably about the same as a weapon DMG Justice, just with stronger other effects like Thorny Carapace.

Fun fact: Because skill damage benefits explosions, it means that Ao Bai's Explosion DMG bonuses are basically diet Skill DMG bonuses. They only benefit explosions and nothing else.

[vapid walrus]

is there a list anywhere of common "good" gemini weapon combos?

[fallen escarp]

• Element Share: Any elemental weapon + Any different elemental weapon with high elemental effect chance
• CritX Share: Any weapon that can crit + Any high CritX weapon
• Magazine Share: Any weapon + Any high magazine capacity weapon
• Spores: Any high RoF weapon + shotguns with higher damage than others
• 1 Magazine: Any weapon + any weapon with lower damage

[vapid walrus]

Thank you so much 🙂

[merry needle]

ok how is the cats frame even unlockablpe

i have infite cc but it ends up not even affecting elites at all

before i can get the frame

ok i think its based off amount of casts

[lucid nova]

splinter orb, extra charges, extra duration and easy

[merry needle]

yea i do that this is so painful

its like theone frame i cant get

[ionic tundra]

hi guys, if someone from Brazil is interested in playing, please DM me.

[glad iris]

Are you using multi-proc orb?

[merry needle]

yea i got all the upgrades

maybe act 4 elites are just the worst elites to do iton

[quasi arrow]

#1055550986292297838 message

Something like that

[merry needle]

oh wow thanks

i didnt know there was a debuff icon

oh wow you waitjust a second

[deep ore]

stupid idea here, and probably wrong, but

does getting Take It All and thus making all occult scrolls undiscardable mean that none of them count against Craftsman's Inheritor

or does it only count Cursed Scrolls and scrolls that specifically say they are undiscardable in their description

[merry needle]

no idea but how good is craftsman inheritor

i just assumed weapon lvls dont scale that well

[fallen escarp]

Craftsman's Inheritor counts non-cursed scrolls, regardless of if they are discardable.

This includes ones you cannot discard by default.

[proud fable]

Ya’ll wanna know a Rabbit fact

Or… something?

I already said it on art, but I wanted to put it here too anyway.

[bleak quest]

very interesting fact

[sand jasper]

Hey, does Elemental Share affect Charging Crush's shockwave?

[merry needle]

are there like a few blocks in the spiritual assualt thing that are like a must have

[nimble flint]

IMO definetly copy cat , helps out way too much later on

[wooden solstice]

Heyo, looking to get back into this game, im missing the second DLC, is there gonna be a third?

@nimble flint you know your stuff, hopep you dont mind me tagging you

[lucid nova]

mostlikely but it hasnt been announced yet

[wooden solstice]

how likely is most likely lol

cause from the 20th onwards prices are gonna get raised on steam to the point i wont be able to pay for it

[wooden solstice]

im mainly asking cause i've been putting off achievement hunting cause they keep adding more

and if they add another DLC and i cant get it, then im screwed :P

[lucid nova]

wdym??? the dlc's are like 5$

[wooden solstice]

not in other countries

[lucid nova]

it roughly translates to the same amount

[wooden solstice]

i can send you valve's announcement if you want

[wooden solstice]

no, not really lol

[lucid nova]

if you cant affort 5$ you shouldn't be playing games

[lucid nova]

well how much does it cost then

[wooden solstice]

wow i stopped being a moderator over the dev's being inconsiderate of the south american userbase but i didnt know it extended to the playerbase too :/

[wooden solstice]

again, i can try to explain it to you and send you the valve announcement, but its a wall of text

[lucid nova]

just tell me the price

its not that hard

[wooden solstice]

it really is

the price right now is 1800 ARS

[lucid nova]

you can also put it in ur currency ill convert it

5.18 USD

[wooden solstice]

and you might say, no its not, its 929

lol no

[lucid nova]

whats the issue

[wooden solstice]

man thats not how currencies work

[lucid nova]

tell me how is it not true

thats litterly how it works

[wooden solstice]

im trying to explain

[nimble flint]

Okay STOP

[wooden solstice]

the dollar isnt 1800 ARS

[nimble flint]

A ) Steam did indeed anounce that some countries would change back to permanent USD due do instabilites with some currencies

[wooden solstice]

i keep trying to tell them i can PM them the explanation so we arent offtopic

[nimble flint]

B) @lucid nova thats not communal behavior consider it a warning , the comment with the if you cant afford was really uncalled for

[lucid nova]

mb

[nimble flint]

C ) I cant say anything about the price of the DLC or future DLCs as those have to be decided first.
With the Steam changes its not a simple Dollar to X currency conversion for some countries

[wooden solstice]

dont worry, we have the math done, unless the devs decide to make it cheaper than valve says, which they wont, wouldnt make sense, its entirely unaffortable

[nimble flint]

Those are SET prices in dollar then so the developers dont have to microadjust everything due to massive fluctuations but that also leaves people from those regions in the dost

[wooden solstice]

all i wanted to know is whether there is gonna be another DLC or if the devs moved unto another game

[nimble flint]

Nah

That is still developed

in the future most likely more DLC and definitve more updates

So far no moving on

[lucid nova]

i mean it has a high probability it will be the same price since the past 2 were the same (not tryina argue jus trying to explain my reasoning) and the price will never exceed the price of the game or half the game (if devs are reasonable wich they are)

[wooden solstice]

hmm, i'll reconsider it than, thanks for the info!

[nimble flint]

I mean that just depends on the scope of things

[wooden solstice]

i think you are missing a lot of context here, im willing to explain it but i dont wanna break the rules and go offtopic, we can go to #off-topic or PMs if you want

[merry needle]

ah makes sense

i wish there was difficulty scaling in assault

is there even a channel for assault

[nimble flint]

Nope Assault is normal talk

And there is Scaling during the run

[lucid nova]

dunno, assault feels less fun

[merry needle]

yea i just meant like reincarnation

i reallly like the spirit concentrator system

[fallen escarp]

I also wish that Spiritual Assault had difficulty scaling.

It might give veterans an actual challenge on the harder difficulties, and easier difficulties would stop the barely level 60 fledglings from bursting into tears and raging that it's too hard.

Aww who am I kidding. Chromatic Magazine will still exist for harder difficulties and people barely 10 hours into the game will complain no matter what. Maybe they would finally get to reach Gluttony but then get bitch-slapped by not hiding behind a rock.

[void quail]

Iwish the devs and the moderators actually care about this game, everything is just buff the player make it easy for noobs. Like wheres the challenge? Im sure even a kid coulda play this game

[fallen escarp]

and the moderators
The discord staff here has 0 control over pretty much anything in the game, you know.

If it was up to me, many of the issues with the game being easy would've been fixed months ago, and many more would never have existed.

[void quail]

Yal could make gf2
Im sure GF budget was like $100 so with $1000 imagine how much yall could do

[fallen escarp]

Again, discord staff have 0 control over the game.

[merry needle]

fr its crazy that chromatic is a 3 block

[fallen escarp]

And do you really think that making GFR2 would fix the "game too easy" problems?

They're constantly powercreeping things when they didn't used to in the early access. They'd immediately start powercreeping things if they made a sequel, likely making it even easier than what we have now.

At least, theoretically.

But given they seem to have no problems inserting +1000% bonuses into the game, I doubt they'd have problems with doing it again.

[merry needle]

does this server have no gunfire devs in it at all

[fallen escarp]

It's got a few community managers who are working for Duoyi Games.

They are marked as developers.

[nimble flint]

Due to Timezones most people dont ever see them in the list as active

Remember : They are in Hongkong time zone where its about 5 am atm

[merry needle]

hold on tao can get 1000% dmg with just one spiritual ascension in assault

[void quail]

So can bird

[fallen escarp]

So can Ao Bai, Qing Yan, Lei Luo and Nona.

[void quail]

Or is it 3000%

[fallen escarp]

That's half the hero cast.

[merry needle]

well those are for one hit instances

[void quail]

No bird is permanent

[fallen escarp]

Absolutely no problems with bloating the game with absurd bonuses.

[merry needle]

charging bullet?

[void quail]

No

Cleave build

Iirc its 30% for like 30 stacks or something

[merry needle]

oh for spiritual blessing

[fallen escarp]

Claymore Slash only goes up to +140% base damage and +7m.

It's the +7m that makes it really worth it.

[merry needle]

yea they werent talking about assault

[void quail]

Idk as soon as i get it im dmg capping

[merry needle]

i didnt evenknow about birds cleave blessing tho that looks awesome

[fallen escarp]

Bladed Cleave can technically hit over 1000%, but it requires significantly more effort than other blessings in Reincarnation.

You'd need at least 34 secondary skill capacity.

To reach that number, you either need Cleave Carnival 3 and Double Exhilaration/Endless Assault, or Cleave Carnival 2, Double Exhilaration and Endless Assault.

[lucid nova]

Yea, balancing is an issue. Also the reason why I dont enjoy the game that much anymore, nomatter what I pick ill nuke

[void quail]

Bladed cleave in solo is so good but good its ass

[fallen escarp]

It's good in solo because Easy Kill is good in solo (particularly when you turn on Lone Wolf).

[bleak quest]

how do you tell you damage percentage

[fallen escarp]

By calculating it yourself.

[merry needle]

i love lone wolf

[merry needle]

so true and nerfing urself feels bad

[lucid nova]

Very true

[void quail]

@lucid nova robo quesy out in 2 days so new game to play

[lucid nova]

And nightmare has alot less variety

[lucid nova]

This is gunfire chat💀 but that game is shit anyway

Enemies barely move there

[void quail]

Okay then u have gun head

The only moving monster in gunfire isthe damn dragon

[lucid nova]

??? Atleast enemies run at you or poorly try to dodge a rocket

[fallen escarp]

Bandit Retainers and Elusive/Thunderous Stalkers actually succeed sometimes.

[void quail]

Oh wow 3 ennimes

[merry needle]

the visuals in roboquest make me not wanna try it ngl

also this is such a weird upgrade right??

[void quail]

U run crit fire tower

[fallen escarp]

Oh you wanted me to put effort into it? Alright.

Grenadier, Crossbowman, Heavy Crossbowman, Spear-Thrower, Bandit Retainer, Fire/Lightning/Venomous Lizard, Catfish Warrior, Nihilation Monk, Dragon Qian, Kung Fu Monkey, Elusive Stalker, Thunderous Stalker, Flying Saucer, Elite Monk, Elite Kappa, Elite Mandrill Cavalry, Wind God, Abyssal Serpent.

A list of enemies that can be seen often attempting to avoid your attacks, either deliberately or as part of their movement cycle.

Now, if you haven't seen them attempt a dodge, you probably killed them instantly.

[void quail]

Im sorry but if u consider running in a straight line "movement" then

[lucid nova]

Name one enemy from that list that doesnt have a dodge

[void quail]

They dont dodge ur bullets

Thats how they move

On a timer

[fallen escarp]

Looks like you've killed them all instantly.

[lucid nova]

What did you expect? Matrix like shit?

If you arent shooting a nuke or a fucking sniper in their ass they will try and dodge but its kinda hard to dodge a nuke

[fallen escarp]

Crossbowmen, Heavy Crossbowmen and Catfish Warrior have a dodge roll.

Lizards and Wind God have a side step.

Bandit Retainer, Nihilation Monk, Elusive Stalker, Thunderous Stalker, Elite Monk and Elite Kappa have a teleport.

Kung Fu Monkey never stand still. Technically Umbrella Spirit can classify as this too.

Grenadier, Dragon Qian, Flying Saucer, Elite Mandrill Cavalry and Abyssal Serpent are the only ones that just have hard to hit movement.

[lucid nova]

Saucer aint that bad when its healing enemies

[fallen escarp]

When it's changing positions it is hard to hit, because it usually moves fast, far and you're likely at a considerable distance from it.

Only reason why it would be easy to hit is because they're so goddamn big.

[lucid nova]

True, they are obese af

But if they were small players would complain about them being overpowered

[fallen escarp]

People complain about them being a support. They didn't even need to be small.

But yes.

[pearl garden]

My only issue was back when they were considered elites defensively and you were running something like a smoke bomb cat or Launcher build.

But that's not as much of an issue anymore. Most UFO spawns also have a spot in their pathing where a smoke bomb can """touch""" them too so that's neat.

[fallen escarp]

Remember when they were immune to Miasma?

That was fun...

[pearl garden]

Yeah and despite being considered "elites" they could still roll prefixes like Defensive or Robust

Actual pain depending on the build. Pretty sure I was about hard walled by UFOs a few times. Felt sorta wack. Glad they're not like that anymore.

[fallen escarp]

Yeah. Now for whatever reason they take Miasma like a normal enemy, even though Mutant Penguins, Snowy Mandrills and Mandrill Cavalry actually are normal enemies and more plentiful, but take Miasma like an elite.

[pearl garden]

Wonder if they were scared of more pushback if they didn't make that distinction.

[fallen escarp]

Dunno, but if it was the case, it's funny.

Because rather than going from elite to immunity, then getting complaints and reverting back to elite, they just go "I'm very sorry, please don't hate us!" and send flying saucers to the laughing stock of normal.

If only the Frenzied Shark DPS nerf got that sort of backlash.

It might actually be a good weapon.

[pearl garden]

I love this smoke bomb spot for this UFO for those curious on an example

[pearl garden]

I mean the math does check out to a DPS nerf but now with RoF pretty common in the Ascension Fusion it is pretty funny to spam nades everywhere

I think the weapon is more fun in its new form but I'd agree it could use some more damage. Still doesn't stop me from using it lots. I think it's in my top 5 most used weapons lol

[fallen escarp]

Higher RoF actually makes the nerf worse, because the problem it suffered from was it fired with slightly higher DPS, but since it fired more shots with the same magazine, it lasted for a shorter time.

[pearl garden]

Yeah but I'd argue it's more fun to spam lots of nades and watch them bounce all over.

[fallen escarp]

Fun, definitely.

[pearl garden]

But you're also right

[fallen escarp]

But very impractical for anyone actually wanting a good weapon.

Kinda like Dragonchaser and its ability to set bee swarms on enemies.

Fun to watch, but hell to actually use the weapon properly on every single enemy.

[pearl garden]

Projectile speed and piercing +1 green text my beloved

"Mom can we get Projectile +1?"
"We have Projectile +1 at home."

Ok granted a lot of what we just said would seem a litle more fair if the game didn't have such a high power creep lol. I like the nuance of aiming the Dragonchaser tracker for a good payout but it's hard to justify that effort when other weapons just bulldoze for free lol

[deep ore]

gonna be honest ive been doing canon loadout R9 runs with all the characters and dragonchaser has SHOT UP my tierlist as ive come to understand it

the bees nest is fun but the real fun is swapping targets and watching an entire magazine's worth of misses whip around and smash into the back of their head

like yeah it's not a good weapon but it feels really good so i don't care

none of the rifles can qualify as "good"

well, eh, maybe hexagon

and firescale sometimes

but rifles as a class are generally pretty underpowered

[fallen escarp]

1. You have to successfully mark them and not mark a wall to not waste all the bullets you missed.
2. With any other weapon, you just shoot them in the head.

Good because it feels good as you said, not because it is.

[fallen escarp]

I'd go as far as to say that they're not underpowered. What they actually are is non-synergistic.

Just like pistols before Nona and Zi Xiao existed.

[deep ore]

honestly the fact that you get a do over at all puts dragonchaser above the more standard rifles - the cavalries and big hippos of the world

[fallen escarp]

Before those 2 came, literally no hero preferred average RoF, average DMG weapons or 1 mag throwing weapons.

[deep ore]

wait isn't concealed ammo an SMG

[fallen escarp]

It is.

[deep ore]

yeah you are right the main thing is that most rifles lack a real gimmick/synergy

i think i'd argue that they're more viable now that big bonuses are more accessible and thus you aren't basically ending your run by taking a low tier weapon

[fallen escarp]

That's a side effect of making the game easy though.

Not a result of making the weapons good via synergy.

[void quail]

Assult rifels have always been ass besides fish

[deep ore]

i still lose most of my runs cause I go out of my way to weird shit so idk 🤷

r9lw4 feels difficult enough to me

i know it's the hot thing to complain that all these changes mean you aren't getting your head pulped any time a single enemy looks at you in r9 but frankly I'm just not here for that kind of challenge when i play this so that's just not the perspective i'm usually coming from when i discuss how i feel about any weapon or combination

is it fun to mess with in the sandbox? is it easy to get working well enough to carry you? that's the metric for me

nearing 1000 hours now it's tweaks like the ones that have been introduced over time that keep the sandbox fresh enough for me to keep toying with it

[fallen escarp]

To be fair, if you don't like getting your head pulped any time a single enemy looks at you in R9, the solution is probably to not play R9.

That's one of the biggest reasons why people like myself complain. It's because R9 is being treated as a casual sandbox that everyone can play in.

11 lower difficulties. 11! And 8 of them still have 95% of the shenanigans you can pull at R9.

Yet somehow this simple solution evades the minds of so many people.

It's the equivalent of playing on a hardcore difficulty in another game which only gives you 1 life instead of infinite, doing silly things until you die, losing your only life, complaining that you should get more lives, getting the demands met, then telling hardcore gamers that played on the difficulty because they liked it that they don't belong anymore.

[proud shale]

11 factorial

[jaunty harbor]

Part of the job of CMs is to take feedback and give it to people who can do something about it. I don't doubt the CMs here take the feedback

Maybe they have other reasons to do what they do

Who knows

Arm chair game dev isn't useful feedback

That being said

What if difficulty were a slider, and new players start at 0, and unlock more of the slider as they progress

And Reincarnation modifiers is just a toggle you need to unlock

[fallen escarp]

It doesn't matter if it's a selection, a slider, a checkbox list, a randomizer, a complicated algorithm based on previous runs or whatever else.

The highest is too easy.

[jaunty harbor]

Oh I don't disagree

[fallen escarp]

And remember, we actually did get a checkbox list.

[jaunty harbor]

If it were up to me, the cheap-kill design of r9 shouldn't have existed, and the game should be balanced around r8, with prior difficulties being massively condensed

[fallen escarp]

They were supposed to make the game easier or harder to the player's preference.

And look how Bizarre Dreams turned out.

[jaunty harbor]

Tbh only spiritual link is like

Really problematic

Cause that's pure power, a lot of it, for no real sacrifice

[fallen escarp]

That's the "game easier" half, which is fine to exist for people who want it.

[jaunty harbor]

The pick yer own scrolls gives enemies buffs and is honestly fine I avoid scrolls I'd put in my build because the enemy buff is absurd

[fallen escarp]

The problem is there's no "game harder" half.

[jaunty harbor]

Pick alt ascensions isn't unbalanced

[fallen escarp]

Mysterious Jokul barely is with all the compensation you get, and Transcendent Arsenal only technically makes the game harder because the benefit is so worthless.

[jaunty harbor]

Spiritual link should imo be base game, fully, and that aughta happen alongside actual nerfs to many things

Anyway

I got off topic

Just be nice to devs, treat cms with respect, don't armchair dev to the cms

Maybe the next free update is balance centric. Who knows.

[fallen escarp]

There's only so long you can be respectful and optimistic before it starts turning into disappointment and pessimism.

The older players have had 2 years of hoping they add a balance centric update to reach this point.

And at this point, the only response left which isn't outright rage at the decisions the devs have made is... apathy. Where we just don't care anymore.

[jaunty harbor]

And that's fine.

There's literally nothing wrong with that

This isn't even a live service game. Devs just wanna work on it lol.

I've been here since the start too

[fallen escarp]

Oh and it's not even the older players that suffer from this either.

I've noticed a trend where, very slowly over time, more and more new people have played, then complained about the game's lack of balance or difficulty.

[jaunty harbor]

And that's up to the devs to fix if they want more people playing. There's no stakes for the rest of us

[fallen escarp]

Steam review's overall positive amount of reviews are slowly going down.

There are stakes actually. Older players who have stayed for a long time then start complaining, they complain because they care and want to see the game improve.

[jaunty harbor]

That's stakes for them

Not us

[fallen escarp]

It's us too.

[jaunty harbor]

Them being devs

[fallen escarp]

We don't want to see this game turn into an unbalanced easy mess. We want to keep enjoying it.

But we can't enjoy it if we don't enjoy what remains of it.

[jaunty harbor]

Unfortunately, developers rarely base their game around community vision.

They wanna do what they wanna do, and its sold well so far apparently

[fallen escarp]

The real sad part is they used to have the right idea, more or less.

[jaunty harbor]

The devs have stakes in meeting community expectations, sure. But that's not ours

[reef creek]

I just wanna say to y'all, stop dissing my baby Dragonchaser, aight?

I have exactly one run with it. It was a Nightmare run and the only w I got at that

Tag-hide-shoot tactics

[lucid nova]

fun weapon you just cant rambo rush through the game with it

[grave niche]

hey guys, if i were to dual wield justice/thunderstorm which gemini do you think would be the ideal one to go for?

[lucid nova]

1 mag probably

[waxen owl]

extended mag spiritual link and mag share pretty fun

or 1 mag with reload ascensions

[grave niche]

appreciate it!

ill try it out next time

thats a good idea

ive never tried explosive weapons or dog so now im trying to figure out whats a good combo

[pearl garden]

If you're in Reincarnation difficulty and running Painkiller as a blessing Elemental Share can also be good even if they're the same weapon/element just for extra Combustion procs.

More niche tho. I'd probably do mag share just because it's lazier/works well enough. But combustion is good enough to justify going for it.

[grave niche]

i think r7 is where i can go up to solo and even that isnt consistent

r8 r9 i only do with friends

[pearl garden]

Justice and T Storm can benefit greatly from having two chances to proc their elements if running Painkiller.

Although I haven't tested out how the new lava pools work in terms of element % application.

[grave niche]

painkiller felt so dirty tbh

on cat

[void quail]

@waxen owl wrong its only a 75% dmg buff 1 mag is %150

If he gets good inscription then yes big mag is better

But only if u get the blue inscription

[grave niche]

ive also seen spore thunder storm but dont think i wanna run shotgun in a dual wield build

on someone like cat sounds fun tho

[pearl garden]

Something to keep in mind with Ao Bai dual wield builds is that popping in and out of Dual Wield procs swap Occult Scolls such as Fast Loader and Elemental Weave.

If you get Sharpshooter and have something like Weapon Genius, Battle Tested II, or Ancient Timer you can infinitely loop Dual Wield by canceling and reapplying it.

Fast Loader makes if so you're having full clips every Dual Wield, Elemental Weave guarantees Elemental effect chance. The later is broken. Especially with Painkiller.

[grave niche]

painkiller is very busted

also interesting did not know that about dual wield

[waxen owl]

i dont exactly know how the number works. It was fun build for me anyway, but I suppose its not as good as i thought then

[void quail]

Its .75 per ammo

So plus 100 mag is 75%

1 mag gives %150 at 3relaods

Plus lucky shot to thunder storm which is

So until u havemore than 200 ammo its not worth

[pearl garden]

God tier RNG build is Weapon Genius/Counterviolence start and getting Painkiller and Elemental Weave lol.

Particularly funny in tandem with all of his explosive buffs and two Elemental Tiger Cannons. But that's rare to have all those pieces happen.

[waxen owl]

its pretty easy to get that 200 ammo especially with advance depot/skateboard
skateboard at least i suppose, its pretty common and its one of the requirement for extended mag

i suppose it could be inconsistent if u accidentally press reload button and the buff gone, i guess the 1 mag one is more easier to maintain

i think if u down u also lose the extra mag from the blue inscription

[pearl garden]

Tfw you load more special ammo in your clip than you can carry

[waxen owl]

do that to your tiger canon/shrieker/deafening mortar
then accidentally swap weapon c:

[void quail]

@waxen owl at 200 mag it matches dmg butlucky shot still way better

[fallen escarp]

You forget to take into account the frequent reloads of 1 mag vs virtually no reloads of mag share.

If you can keep firing, you keep dealing damage even if each shot is weaker.

[void quail]

If ur one shotting wirh 1 mag does it matter?

[lucid nova]

Does gemni matter at all? No. You will be oneshotting stuff either way

Why do you want a good gemni? Big number

[fallen escarp]

If you're one-shotting, firing more often lets you kill more enemies quicker.

So through that example, mag share is better.

[pearl garden]

Although I will give credit to the funny Nimble Finger/Overloading Ascension Fusion combo being great fun with 1 mag

Niche but it's funny when you reload a weapon faster than its actual fire rate.

[lucid nova]

Luckyshot on 1 mag is nice aswel (mostly because my brain amkes dopamine when it sees pretty red numbers)

[reef creek]

Try R9 with painkiller cat, build towards pyro3 with crti gemini. Early game, painkiller grenade carries hard.

If I could do it, you definitely can. CritX gemini on fire synergy Angelic Aura + pyro3 and decay3 meant nothing was alive long enough to get a single shot off

[grave niche]

hows pyro + decay? i know corrosion was really good when i had dropped the game, and confusion seems busted

[reef creek]

Confusion is a great side effect of painkiller, but corrosion damage means they die. Dead enemies don't attack back

It is still a lot of damage with pyro3

Decay3 with critX gemini just means unfairness

[grave niche]

pyro decay was explosion right

err combustion

hmm

i tried painkiller cat and was really impressed by how reliable and consistent it was

ill give it a shot

fire angelic aura isnt the most common

still trying to just try weaps/combos i didnt touch too much

[reef creek]

You don't need fire Angelic Aura, or any high RoF gun for that matter.

You can get the synergy through spiritual link. If a decent neutral high RoF weapon shows up world 2, it's enough.

[grave niche]

ive never aimed for spiritual links tbh

[reef creek]

That is the entire point of Reincarnation, what do you mean lmao

[grave niche]

seems rng if i get all 3 to complete

[reef creek]

Isn't it 2? Like neutral weapon + 2 fire thingies

[fallen escarp]

Spiritual links are optional. Not the whole point.

[grave niche]

i thought it was 3

[reef creek]

Agreed. But why not?

[grave niche]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Bizarre_Dream

i mean i have it on i just never aim for it which is weird

[reef creek]

Spiritual Link is the very thing that makes Reincarnation fun!!!! Lmao

[fallen escarp]

Correction. Spiritual Link is an optional modifier that will make the game easier if used correctly.

Fun is subjective.

[grave niche]

i like the spiritual blessings a lot and increased difficulty

[reef creek]

But synergies on a roguelite tho ):

[grave niche]

links are just a bit too rng to activate imo, especially if theres another item i know will be immediately useful from the choices

[reef creek]

If we are talking about solo LW4 R9, painkiller cat means "immediately useful" is a non-issue

Lob a grenade, problem solved

[grave niche]

i mean yes the painkiller cat grenades solve everything

but like i said earlier

i wanna try out a lot of other things as well

ive had my fun in r9 as painkiller cat and it was quite frankly incredibly disgusting

[deep ore]

am i just stupid or is this bugged

why is this like this

is it just a false description

[fallen escarp]

Probably a false description.

[void quail]

@fallen escarp did u see the bugbi posted in gf videos

[fallen escarp]

Go put it in #1060159100006178816.

[void quail]

Idk if its replicable tho

[fallen escarp]

Then why bother point it out to me if you won't even put it in its proper channel?

[void quail]

I did its a video is it not

Of gunfire i think

So i think gunfire video covers it

[fallen escarp]

If it's a bug you want fixed, #1060159100006178816. Simple.

Otherwise, don't ping people expecting to get it fixed.

No ifs, no buts, no "i think another channel is better despite the fact that it'll fade away into obscurity the next time someone posts in there".

[ionic jungle]

guys anyone know what's good on bunny

first time playing her

I'm thinking E is better to boost up?

[fallen escarp]

High RoF or high hit count weapons. Both skills work, and the skill being focused on determines the weapons you want.

[ionic jungle]

got it

i'm guessing Q is hit count and E is RoF?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[ionic jungle]

got it, tyty

side note reincarn 9 is ridiculous

compared to 8

[worldly moon]

Hello! Can anyone help me out clarifying something?

[lunar bridge]

just ask. people will reply to you when they can. :V

[worldly moon]

I just needed to know if there's any requirement to trigger pole monarch as the end boss. I haven't faced him yet, its always gluttony for me.

[lunar bridge]

afaik, no.

[worldly moon]

And from what I understand i have to defeat pole monarch to unlock gluttony but that wasn't the case for me

[lunar bridge]

you can proceed to fight pole monarch at the final area once you are able to enter act 4. no unlock required.

guess you're just unlucky enough to keep getting gluttony?

[worldly moon]

I guess but i still don't understand how i unlocked it without even facing pole monarch. Thats the only monster left locked in my log book now

But weirdly enough i got the achievement for it on steam

[lunar bridge]

speaking of gluttony, there's no unlock tied to it. they just added gluttony as an alt act 4 boss in an update after it was exclusive to spiritual assault.

[worldly moon]

Oh? I remember reading on gunfire wiki that pole monarch has to be defeated certain times to unlock gluttony. I could be wrong about it

[lunar bridge]

i don't think that's the case? pretty sure gluttony is unlocked by default, though i may be wrong.
if unlocking is required, then it might have unlocked it retroactively for me since my save file is completed. :P

[worldly moon]

I guess thats the case for me too. I just recently came back to this game but the last time I played it, there were no dlcs, no reincarnation modes and no gluttony

[waxen owl]

the last boss being monarch or gluttony really just rng afaik

But the rate it being Gluttony is very high at least for my play

[worldly moon]

I'd say. Close to 40 stage clears and no pole monarch yet lol

[waxen owl]

thats
concerning rate

[merry needle]

wow the burning enthusiast is literally just an instant loss

without burn resist

at least playing as li

im so mad

recycling weapons in assault has a max cap T^T did they add that to counter going all the weapon drop augments

i thought i was cooking so hard

[fallen escarp]

Not for literally any HP build it's not.

[unkempt portal]

is op on certain characters and can literally make a build god tier cough cough LI cough cough

[cobalt dock]

he said it screwd him over on Li

[merry needle]

I’m talking about spiritual assasult

[lucid nova]

doesnt make a difference lol

[cobalt dock]

the possibility for greater is even better as Reliable Bun is a Jade

[worldly moon]

It finally happened. Got pole monarch as the final boss. The whole battle lasted for about 5 secs as he died in 3 shots

But hey! My monster log is finally complete and I can move on

[bleak quest]

Congrats!

[worldly moon]

Ty!

[vestal lagoon]

a completely normal amount of occult scrolls lmfao

64 scrolls omg

[lucid nova]

solo or multiplayer

[fallen escarp]

Honestly, does it matter?
They're gonna one-shot everything regardless.

[rain linden]

my highest dmg game with boyfriend

[void quail]

Why double rof guns

[last shoal]

whats the meta?

[void quail]

Everything

[fallen escarp]

Half of everything*.

The meta is absolutely everywhere because anything meta or even near-meta will tear the game asunder.

And there are many things that classify as such.

[spark stream]

can i have more than 1 profile on the game

[fallen escarp]

Yes. Just click around your username in the top right when in the main menu.

[fringe goblet]

this may sound dumb but how can you get some of the ability achievements, in a way that you can actually make it happen?
I mostly just don´t get the upgrades at all I need (like dual wielding up, chain bomb duration. I just finished a run with enought Chain bombs for the 10sec thing but then dud dodn´t get any elite anymore.
Or is there a way to reroll the upgrades and maybe even scrolls for better outcomes and having better chances of doing what I wanna do

[fallen escarp]

You can reroll ascensions with the Ultimate Gambler blessing on Reincarnation difficulty.

[fringe goblet]

ok that helps. Reincarnation is just like nightmare with all the extra stuff I can add to it or is it harder/easier?

Also are the Nightmare runs also allowd on this?
And when I´m allready asking, I had a run where I got the infinite secondary skill scroll that damages you on 0 uses with the bird on normal mode, I basicly killed allmost every enemy with cleave and also farmed on a monk cleave kills, is that nightmare only or something I got all the way to the Act4 boss and did not unlock it

[fallen escarp]

It depends on what you do with the extra stuff.

If you ignore all of the extra stuff you can buy and only use the harder modifiers or misuse the hard/easy modifiers, it'll be harder.

If you do pretty much anything besides that, and you most likely will, it'll be easier.

[fallen escarp]

You can do all of the frames on Reincarnation. Any that say "Nightmare" also include "and above".

I think the only thing you can't do on Reincarnation are the speedrun achievements.

[fringe goblet]

for the 10sec elite freeze do you need more then max freeze duration and 2 charges? I tried now a bunch of times and even tho I count close to 10 I don´t get itdone. It should freeze for 8 sec first and I can time a total of 3 orbs, the last one doesn´t freeze for a second tho

ok I got it, the timing was just super tight

[bleak quest]

I was trying to run a 1 mag build but I had terrible rng with the Gemini on the second weapon, spent around 3k+ gold and still didn't get the Gemini

[fallen escarp]

Did you check to make sure the weapon could actually get the gemini?

[bleak quest]

I... didn't know that

Well I now know lol

[waxen owl]

IIRC there's an "!" icon next to Reforge button on some weapons when you accessing Craftsman
It'll tell which Gemini it doesn't have on that particular weapon
If there's no icon next to it, then it has every gemini choices

[bleak quest]

Thanks for letting me know

[lucid verge]

The only achievements I have left is Spiritual Jade, and the one I've been loathing the most; Crab Buffet

[bleak quest]

I just used Li for crab buffet

[lucid verge]

I've been using her as well, but so far RNG hasn't thrown me bone yet with giving me the challenge

[fringe goblet]

you could try speedrunning on normal there, ignoring everything should make it like 20min runs

Or couldn´t a multiplayer lobby help to spawn more crabs normally?

[lucid verge]

I've had an inkling of it spawning more in co-op than single player

[lucid verge]

Yeah that makes sense, I have been doing that lately, I just hate the tedium is all Xd

[fringe goblet]

if you want we could do some runs I feel like you often allready end up with 15-20 normally

[lucid verge]

Yeah, I'll hit ya up whenever I'm going for it! Also, probably so but I either wasn't aware of the achievement at the time, or I wasn't prepared for it when it did come up playing with others lol

[fallen escarp]

You don't need multiplayer anymore for more spawns.

Lone Wolf exists.

[fringe goblet]

I would be open for some multiplayer I haven´t gotten any any of the multiplayer achievements at all, I got one round of multiplayer with an easy gluttony win xD

[lucid verge]

I was doing an absolute ton of multiplayer here when Visitors of Spirit Realm dropped, so I organically got all my multiplayer achievements from that

[bleak quest]

Lone Wolf also does

[fringe goblet]

I haven´t played alot of reincartion yet, I´m not really sure what Lone wolf does 😅
I feel like atm that multiplayer with random people is not really existing, I never got another player again after that one time

[lucid verge]

I thought that you couldn't do BD in Normal mode

[bleak quest]

Only on Reincarnation

[fallen escarp]

If you're doing Normal difficulty, you don't really need multiplayer spawn increases.

Since the whole point of doing Normal is getting the crab reincarnated challenge event, which is a massive amount of extra crabs anyway.

And if you're going for multiplayer for the extra crabs that way, you can just do Lone Wolf on Reincarnation 1 for a super easy time without the need for extra players.

[bleak quest]

I think that's how I got mine, I just ran overconsumption with Li on Lone Wolf 2

[lucid verge]

The only reason I was doing Normal mode was from what I was reading it only appeared in Normal mode, if that's not the case I'll gladly do it in R1 and have a speed boost from overconsumption to get through it faster

[fallen escarp]

The challenge event only appears in Normal.

But you only need the challenge event if you don't have increased enemy spawns from multiplayer/lone wolf.

It's an either/or thing.

[lucid verge]

Gotcha

[lucid verge]

Got crab buffet first run of the night!

All that is left is Spiritual Jade

[lucid verge]

Tada

[fringe goblet]

congrats

[rough echo]

has anyone here farmed for Demonlore recently? im trying to figure out if i need to alt F4 after i get the kills or Alt F4 after i get to the boss for the kills to count

and which difficulty to farm in

[reef creek]

You mean unlocking it?

If so, Alt F4 before entering the boss stage should be fine

As soon as you reach the elite gathering event as I think any Elite Lobsters that show up there don't count

[rough echo]

yeah unlocking it, ive been playing through all the way to the boss just to make sure, but yeah its been working, went from 16 to 23 kills so far, im on fox to make sure everythings good

[rough echo]

😎

[deep ore]

sooo i just learned an interesting fact

it seems as if weapon levels given to a weapon by a red chest don't count when determining the level of Foundry

i had a +11 brick, upgraded it to +12 with a red chest, but my foundry remains +11

oh

nevermind

it just needs to be upgraded again to take

[deep ore]

at long last

foundry run

turns out lightning messenger is still good for something these days :>

it was actually doing incredibly good damage by the end of the run

headshots on a target just down to flesh were doing like 3 million

now i wanna do a siege operator run with angelic aura and gradual improvement

[fallen escarp]

No one denies that Lightning Messenger is good.

It's just many many things are way better.

[deep ore]

it's certainly very rarely worth the 120 sessence

that kind of makes it bad

[fallen escarp]

It's weak in comparison to other blessings.
But compared to the rest of the game, it's not weak.

[deep ore]

man whatever

I certainly rarely ever find use for it

honestly it's only really worthwhile as a second pick or if you're doing a specific combo like i was here

i used it to trigger painkiller

more for the big explosion procs rather than the manipulation

honestly the manipulation caused me problems as much as it helped me

it's hard to hit enemy heads when they're constantly turning towards their friends

and actually i'm going to say straight up that since it got nerfed to only 3m it actually is just a straight up bad blessing for first pick unless you pair it with lone wolf painkiller

your first blessing is supposed to define your build and lightning messenger basically says "I didn't have anything in particular I wanted to go for"

it provides a mild bonus to what you'd be doing anyway- hitting crits or using skills

you're basically throwing if you aren't pairing it with painkiller, there's just no reason for it

by this point i'm getting very tired of having to constantly explain that I'm speaking in purely relative terms when i say something is good or bad and i have literally less than zero interest in constantly having it pointed out to me that you think the game is too easy

or that everything is overpowered

[lucid nova]

Only thing they need to do is increase the radius of lightning messenger to 5m instead of 3m

Then its as good as the others

[proud shale]

every enemy on stage

got it

[lucid nova]

Pretty sure it was 10m first lol

[fallen escarp]

10m was clearly a typo. Was supposed to be 100m.

[pearl garden]

Any effect that applies element on crit is game winning to me, power crept or not. I'm more concerned about the fun factor and in this case I feel Messenger offers more ways to beat the game

[floral hinge]

hi sorry for asking here I dont know where the appropriate channel should be at.

I own the game on Steam. On June I got a code for the artisan magician dlc from a friend (they got a spare code). Now my dlc access got revoked. Was he not allowed to do that? Am I blocked from the game or something

proof of me activating it legitimately from 5 months ago

[fallen escarp]

#1060159100006178816 is the appropriate channel. Create a new post there.

[floral hinge]

oh missed that channel. thank you!

[void quail]

@deep ore id still rather run GI with counter violence then messenger and painkiller

[deep ore]

normally I would too, but I've not had much luck with using that for foundry runs

[spice mist]

Looping? 👀

[proud shale]

Everyone take a shot

[spice mist]

Did y’all see the tweet

https://fixupx.com/gunfirereborn/status/1724027119225975035?s=46&t=w_xFsVwzztpDTbO4pb1zSw

[proud shale]

@fallen escarp chug the entire bottle, no more shots

[nimble flint]

I am highly skeptical

The game in its core is not designed for it

If it is endless some massive change to the inventory and items needs to be done

And Story was always said to be more

[spice mist]

Endless doesn’t mean story to me

Maybe it’s some translation error

[nimble flint]

Those are separate points

[spice mist]

Excited anyway for whatever they’re cooking

Should be fun!

[bleak quest]

looks interestin

[fallen escarp]

Hmmm...

🍻

[proud shale]

🍻

[broken brook]

So how do ya'll think it is going to work?

Like would it bring you to stage 1 or loop the frozen tundra stage?

[lofty bay]

Enemy stats double every loop

But you can keep buying blessings, and new stacking blessings will be added in

[fallen escarp]

I'm not even going to guess.

Could be anything, both from a development perspective and translation perspective.

[lofty bay]

Mod support

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-get-carried-away-stan-marsh-south-park-s7e15-christmas-in-canada-gif-19511177

[somber solar]

Endless and/or Adventure mode
Holy shell, pog!?

Finally, i can continue murdering stuff after one-shoting the final boss with my OP build

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-stop-you-right-there-stop-shut-up-hush-arguing-gif-13476334

[red glacier]

uh yeah

[nimble flint]

Before you make yourself too excited :
You just assume you keep all your stuff

This is yet to be told what this will be
This is just a hint on whats being worked on

[red glacier]

this feels like when we got "campaign" teased on the roadmap and we all assumed wrong

[nimble flint]

Dont hype yourself up on something you only see a word and a single picture of

[fallen escarp]

For all we know it's a portal that leads to the Pole Monarch fight again, and only there.

Probably not, but the chance is never 0%.

[lucid verge]

Maybe it'll be a 5th act

I wouldn't mind a different set of acts from the main one as a change of scenery with their own set of enemies

That may be asking too much

[fallen escarp]

It could be a 5th act, but aside from looking cool the first few times you arrive it won't change much.

You'll see the new location, see the new enemies, then everything dies in under a second.

It'd be a big shame for a new act to go to waste like that.

[lucid nova]

Yeah, rather make an alternative to desert of duo fjord

[short mulch]

anyone wanna play reincarnation 9

[fallen escarp]

Use the LFG channels.

[pearl garden]

Altanna did you gain +5 depression points posting that in announcements

[quasi arrow]

1. Win
2. Obliterate yourself at the Obelisk.

[fallen escarp]

Nah, my Apathy Shield is high enough level to block the damage.

[fringe crystal]

it would be really funny if the devs just pump out an endless mode after altanna saying there will never be an endless mode

[fallen escarp]

I don't know if I said there will never be endless.

I do know I said endless would suck with the current gameplay.

[somber solar]

I'm predicting two things:
We either gonna restart from Act 1 with keeping all or most of our stuff, but making the next loop somewhat harder (increased diff, or an exclusive set of new difficult modifiers?)

...or...we get the boring version, which is the same as Crypt of the Necrodancer does it: ||Full restart, you don't keep anything, but now your goal is how many times can you beat the game without losing||, which imo would be redundant, cause we could impose that challenge ourselves.

[fringe crystal]

i mustve misremembered

you're right, might been along the lines of that

[pearl garden]

Maybe the portal leads to an Ikea cafeteria for celebratory meatballs

[somber solar]

That would imply the world is Swedish, while the game runs on an Asian cultured theme.

[fallen escarp]

The portal brings them to a room filled with endless buns.

Giving everyone who wanted endless, endless.

Just not the endless they were expecting.

[lucid verge]

I've noticed that Nona and Zi Xiao still don't have an animated Steam avatar

[red glacier]

i dont think any of us said there will never be one

i think we just said it wouldnt really work

but im interested to see their approach if they make one

[cobalt dock]

🍻

[calm hawk]

What was this game's story again? Something about the spirit realm. I forgot

[fringe goblet]

how am I supposed to kill 2 of the snowthrower chargint penguins in the Sniper only challenge? The best i got was the blood drill but once he´s on me it´s impossible to survive and he didn´t died fast enought to live, mostly in those smaller cave areas where you can´t safley circle arroundd something to take cover

And the pairs before I often just allmost died, or they were far enought away to kill them before they could get to me

[fallen escarp]

Long ago, the 4 nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Demonic Aura attacked. Only the Spirit Realm, master of all auras could stop them. But when the world needed them most, it vanished.

Something about demonic aura spreading and causing destruction, Crown Prince going out to investigate, finding out the source from Pole Monarch and stopping them. Plus Spirit Realm may be occupied with something more important.

[reef creek]

It depends on how well you build your character

If done right, it takes precisely one shot to get both penguins off their ride and kill them both with crit effects after said shot

Hell you might kill everything by going unga bunga mode, the lightning thunder god or whatever it is, and using the secondary skill

For an easier time: play Reincarnation 1

[pearl garden]

Either lots of kiting or upfront damage.

Not enough sniper damage = having to position in a way where there's always an exit and dodging their assault as you whiddle their HP down. Movement speed helps, Fatal Current offers lots of free movement speed for a short time.

[fringe goblet]

what should I overall go for to make that one work? Infinite strong lightning during the ability or super high piercing damage? Also is r1 for this truly that much better? And are there any changes in Nightmare that aren´t listed? I got the Sandworm boss in act2 and his laaser spinned like twice as fast as normal, too fast to outrun it with dashes

[reef creek]

R1 is the easiest mode in the game period, so yeah
Nightmare is way closer to the hardest mode, it's not even comparable

There is a blessing that makes crit trigger shock effects. If you take a corrosion sniper, it's miasma party

And there is that other blessing that increases the CritX of your weapons. Paired with the passive that makes your weapons deal more damage if you kill stuff from far away and the crit-share gemini, you will have trouble not one shotting stuff later in the game

And the easiest build of them all, I think, is just going unga bunga Thunder God

Weapons are temporary, thunder god is eternal

[pearl garden]

With Lone Wolf you can start with 2 blessings too which makes things even easier.

If wanting to stay true to the sniper only challenge, start with any of these pairs:

Lightning Messenger // Painkiller
Counterviolence // Gradual Improvement
Overconsumption // Gradual Improvement

.
.
If going Thunder spam cheese probably:

Overconsumption or Field Proficiency // Thunder and Glory
(Take Thunder Nemesis whenever you see it.)

[fringe goblet]

I´ll try later again, thx for the tips

[empty sage]

I have been absent for some time but can anyone tell me just how broken they think buffer shield // spirit feline is? I think they read buffer shield- you are immune to damage if it is less than 20% of your maximum shield. spirit feline- you take 100% more damage but it cant exceed more than 18% of your max health (hp+shield/armor). Do we call that a won run?

You become immune to all damage like not even debuffs can down you. I sat and killed gluttony with the foundry a few days ago just cause I got that combo

[fallen escarp]

Flawlessly broken. Guarantees a win. The only downside it has is the fact it doesn't kill enemies quicker, so players with bad damage builds might get bored.

I'd say I have no idea why such a fundamentally broken thing still exists, but then I remember what the devs' opinion on game balance is like.

[empty sage]

I swear I get the broken gun curse and it make 95% of all my shots do 1 damage when it says its a 15% chance

real fun real balanced

[empty sage]

luckily they dont let you choose it out right as your starting blessing cause I swear it would be a ridiculous speedrun strat if you could pull it start of the game and get spirit feline as one of your first scrolls

then you could just build whatever risky build you want and not have to worry about the risk part

like taking deadly curse, bloody ammo, double edged sword, devils covenant like literally anything and then boom you have a great build and a guranteed win

[lucid nova]

skill issue

[empty sage]

you got me there (spore hater)

[lucid nova]

what does hating spores have to do with this?

[empty sage]

oh just was saying you right

I do got a skill issue

an issue where I hit my shots and because I cant find the talisman the game takes my damage lol

[lucid nova]

truly a skill issue since if you were using skills you wouldnt have this issue....

[fallen escarp]

I'd say Broken Gun actually is one of the balanced cursed scrolls.

It doesn't completely shut down a type of gameplay like how Elemental Curse or Stubborn Stance can, but it also isn't completely useless.

"-20% DMG to Shields/Armor? It's additive with my +1960%, so who cares!"

[lucid nova]

-20% ammo? oh no what will i ever do?!?

[reef creek]

On that note

How do we tell additive from multiplicative again?

[fallen escarp]

If it also includes "total" or "extra" or something similar to that.

Warning: Not all multiplicative bonuses has those words, and a few additive bonuses mentions them anyway.

[pearl garden]

So, in short: It's multiplicative if it's multiplicative and it's not if it's not unless it is then it is. But sometimes it says it is but it isn't so it's actually not. But sometimes it is even though it says it's not so it is even if it isn't. Only in some cases. So it is when it is, is when it sometimes isn't, and isn't when it isn't unless it says it is in some cases then it still isn't.

Got it?

[void quail]

Is it not multipictive?

So u would be doing80% of 1960%

[fallen escarp]

It's not.

[fringe goblet]

for Lei Lous frame I just unlocked it after beating Gluttory, would I have gotten it too if I died to him, since it says beat all acts up to the Act4 boss or is the boss kill required too?

[fallen escarp]

Boss kill is required.

If you didn't kill them, you didn't beat act 4, did you?

[fringe goblet]

Like this it makes sense to beat the boss, I was just wonderin because both the wiki and game said "up to act4 boss" and I was scared for a moment when I didn´t got it in the pre boss room

[nimble flint]

Steam ( FULL NO MORE NEW USERS CAN JOIN)

[pearl garden]

Sorry am I lemonspreading in this forum

Taking up too much room mb

[fringe crystal]

Idk why we use threads, they just suck

Server channels are superior

Threads are better for suggestions and mini temporary discussions

[fallen escarp]

They looked good initially. Basically server channels that are hidden from the start, so you only need to see the ones you want to.

Then we found the stupid 1000 account restriction.

Now it's in the process of being reverted, eventually.

Something like that.

[fringe crystal]

People probably just spam open threads so they had to restrict it

[fringe crystal]

Then they came out with the "choose what channel you want to see" and now threads have had their uses for this server become useless

[fallen escarp]

These aren't threads, they're forum posts. And they've already got restrictions on who can post them.

[fringe crystal]

Wait I thought they were the same shit

[fallen escarp]

Nah.

[fringe crystal]

What's the difference

A smaller channel branching off a main category???

[fallen escarp]

Threads are temporary extra channels attached to an actual channel. People open one, talk about a topic, then it deletes itself when it becomes inactive.

[fringe crystal]

Ah

[fallen escarp]

A forum post is more permanent, but only exists in forum sections.

[proud shale]

at the very core yes, but thats a very open definition

[fringe crystal]

These 'forum' posts disappear for me so I have to click on the main channel to find them gain

So I figured they were threads

[proud shale]

broad? idk

[fallen escarp]

They become hidden when inactive, but they don't delete themselves.

Threads do.

[proud shale]

also, threads are for specific messages

[fringe crystal]

Mmm I see

[fallen escarp]

Because of their permanant nature, forum posts can technically be used as if they were an actual channel.

Like we are right now.

Which means the 1000 account cap has no reason to exist, besides pissing off people who try what we did.

[fringe crystal]

I can't wait to have channels back

[proud shale]

give it 5 years and youll have no limit with a max server boost

[fringe crystal]

So I don't have to click an extra time to get to the channel

[nimble flint]

Discord specifically advertised them to be the same as channels and never said ( and still have not documented) the 1000 people limit per forum post.
Just so you know

[dapper harbor]

Is there any new updates coming soon

[fallen escarp]

#game-announcements message

[dapper harbor]

ENDLESS?? Oh hell yeah

This discord mobile update is atrocious

[lofty bay]

Quick, no one tell them how to go back to normal

[weary lintel]

I just realized we can still type in this place

Quick don't let the other normies know

[jagged veldt]

full no more, new users can join

[calm hawk]

Lol

[mild hedge]

almost there...

[lucid verge]

Good luck with Crab Buffet

[mild hedge]

saving it for last

[lucid verge]

Don't blame ya, It was my 2nd to last

[glad iris]

Crab Buffet isn't hard to get, it's mainly just people not knowing where to get it easily.

[lucid nova]

true

[reef creek]

I'm never getting plat cuz I'm never playing multiplayer

[lucid nova]

Its easy in single player

[fringe crystal]

im never getting some achievements cause i only play multiplayer haha

[fallen escarp]

Like what?

No wait, I just though of Birb's frame.

[void quail]

@fallen escarp oppressors makes no snese on bird it buffs ùr dmg base on ur hp lost?

[fallen escarp]

It made more sense before Birb got updated.

Because before the update, All or Nothing was an ascension, letting you deal self-damage from Leap whenever you got the ascension, instead of an entire freaking blessing.

Now though, the only other way to deal self-damage for the damage bonus is either through a few very randomly found scrolls, or with Nova Shockwave which is... uh... the self-damage part exists.

[fringe goblet]

how do you go for the Pragmatist achievement? I´ve looked it up and don´t find anything, I don´t know what´s meant with Spiritual Link and I think I´ve played every gamemode now, still I have 0/15 in it

[fallen escarp]

Activate 15 different spiritual links across all runs by using the Spiritual Link modifier.

Said modifier is only available on Reincarnation difficulty.

[fringe goblet]

ahh, found it. thx

[void quail]

@fallen escarp i see how it works now but opressor is significantly worse than the dog equivalent and i see is used more as of sub then primary

[fallen escarp]

As I said, it made more sense before Birb got updated.

You can no longer reliably use it.

[void quail]

Nova shock still does work but forcs porcupine

4 shots and ur 100 armor

[fallen escarp]

It works nowhere near as well as All or Nothing used to.

Here's how they both work. Repeat for each use.

Nova Shockwave:

1. Hit enemies 100 times with weapons.
2. Get close enough to an enemy (Leap can help, but...)
3. Cleave the enemy and say goodbye to your Armor.
4. Recover your Armor somehow. If you used Leap to get close, you're probably fucked.

All or Nothing:

1. Leap at an enemy.

[void quail]

@fallen escarp fully equiped heals armor

1 point of each is increase armor by 100 and heal armor

Technically "stronger" bc higher increase

But way less convenient

[fallen escarp]

So according to you, you need +1 specific ascension to use Oppressor, on top of 3 extra steps?

You're not doing Oppressor any favors, here.

[void quail]

Ik definitely worse than before

Tbh imo the old all or nothing was stronger earlier