Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 )

[fallen escarp]

With the 1 mag gemini, you don't need those.

[clear edge]

i mean im not sure it'll be any more fun to play than any other 1 shot shotty

outside of crazy reload speed lol

[reef creek]

My single 1mag experience was with the fire pistol and I noticed a few things

One, the weapon fired/reloaded stupid fast

Two, it was basically full auto

So I think Hell would be really fucking good with those two perks

Not sure if the hold button to fire and reload would work with a shotty

[waxen owl]

Got any interesting melee build?
like, what characters good with melee for weapon build other than the obvious monkey

[valid zephyr]

every character is good with the Poisonous ghost

[fallen escarp]

But some are way better.

[waxen owl]

need like a melee focus build
I haven't manage to get Fire Tower to be good yet

Not sure if there's any other good character other than monkey in my mind that just simply makes weapon good
unless there's some that im not aware of could do similar performance

[naive totem]

I've never managed to pull off melee, I just die too easily. Don't know what the trick with them is

Maybe I'm missing some way to maximize their damage output

[glad iris]

combustion

I love playing SA with melee.

I used it with Turtle but now I don't know how it is since the change.

[lucid nova]

poisonous ghost is fun if you have atleast 2 exclusives, otherwise i'd recomend crownprince with fire tower(combustion build)

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[lucid nova]

@frigid charm hmu if you need help getting lei luo speedrun tips

[rotund plaza]

try Lei Luo Flowing Light like I did

[waxen owl]

I apparently manage to build flowing light Lei Luo in my early day accidentally
i don't know how i did that

but i do know its about using Fatal current reset and Flowing Light weapon skill

[rotund plaza]

Storm Blast + Magical Supply

If able, Counterviolence + Gradual Improvement blessings

• 841 stacks of Dual Edge

[waxen owl]

that sounds like very rng like
i forgot if lucky shot could increase gradual improvement or not

[rotund plaza]

crit only

[waxen owl]

yea gradual improvement on flowing light seems very rng like

[cobalt dock]

with Counterviolance its a 50%/50% to gain or lose stacks

so you stay at 30

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[rotund plaza]

If you can thrust multiple targets, higher chance to crit and gain a stack.

[small ledge]

Taos and Crown Princes, today is the day

I'm gonna brk the absolute fk out of Nightmare mode

...in like 3 hours when I get home

[waxen owl]

God I really can't understand how monkey weapon primary build works
i kept swapping weapon a lot mid game to understand which one hit good

so far Hell, Tiger Cannon and ofc Argus doing the trick for me
but im swapping weapon like crazy just to try reading the number and figuring out how it works

[glad iris]

It's more than just the weapon. Some inscriptions play a role as well along with element

[pearl garden]

Primary Tips

1] Weapon Type Bonuses

Pistols: Hits for initial damage plus 200% Essence Chain [secondary skill] damage
Shotguns: Each hit of Cudgel has an extra +25% projectiles
Snipers: 40% Cudgel crit chance
Launchers: Cugel is explosive with 6m AoE and +30% damage
Swords: First Cudgel hit +80% Lucky Shot
Rifles, Injectors, SMGs: Bonus base Cudgel damage, doesn't scale well with weapon levels

2] Other Bonuses

-- Any bonus to Weapon Damage also applies to Cudgel
--Cudgel gets elemental damage bonus and has the same effect % as the held weapon, gemini included, and can combust or apply other fusion effects
--Elemental Weave works on Cudgel and is one of his best scrolls especially with the Painkiller blessing if going elemental
--Most weapon inscriptions that aren't weapon skill specific or a unique mechanic like Justice's lava pools also work with Cudgel
--The Counterviolence blessing gives Cudgel a 50% crit chance with ANY weapon and stacks with the sniper bonus
--Deadly Counter/Wait for Good guarantees a Cudgel crit while active
--Cudgel benefits from Lucky Shot and his ascnesion Shifting Stars seems to work for the entire Cudgel cast, not just the first hit (someone correct me if I'm wrong here)

.
.
Fire Tower is a great Cudgel weapon if going elemental. Painkiller guarantees combust but Counterviolence is also good with the Sword's Lucky Shot bonus on the first hit. Weapons like the Tiger Cannon or Bone Dragon can also be funny if you want AoE. Sometimes a weapon rolls a lot of damage inscriptions that Cudgel can steal, such as all the +damage to enemies affected by [element here] inscriptions. Lots of text, but hopefully some of this is helpful.

[waxen owl]

I do aware most of it, but somethin like
dmg+ lucky shot+ on hitting enemy multiple times could benefit on cudgel?

I might give Fire tower a try
i just done a run and its a barely 1b dmg cuz things are super messy

[pearl garden]

Fire Tower is pretty easy to set up. I typically do Lone Wolf and start with Painkiller. Pick up Dimensional Strike. You're basically set from there to start building into Cudgel. Notable blessing picks for Act 2 onwards include Counterviolence, Supreme Craftsman [sword inscription pools are super good--especially the blue texts...rerolling for a better Fire Tower can be huge for your damage]

Sometimes I start with Counterviolence instead but I'd probably say Painkiller is more consistent. Unsure. Both are good.

[waxen owl]

oh i wondering something
like bonus ascensions from other characters that gives increase damage at close range distance
does cudgel count as long range or close range

[pearl garden]

I've wondered the same. I believe it's based on where YOU are standing, not your Cudgel's model.

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[pearl garden]

So if you are close to where Cudgel hits, you get the bonus. Otherwise it's long range. I think, anyways.

[waxen owl]

so

you benefit with Long Shot scroll then?

[pearl garden]

As long as you're standing far away sure. But that bonus isn't great in general.

Well, it's not bad. There's just better bonuses.

[waxen owl]

gotcha
something anyway
i just wanna see what thing i could pick basically

[pearl garden]

Sure. Long Shot should work.

[waxen owl]

still gonna take a while for me to understand monkey
i know i can go like easy build by putting painkiller early
but i wanna see if i could do something else about it

i wanna try brick monkey earlier, considering how painful to build damage with sniper at start, i might wanna reconsider

[pearl garden]

Snipers sorta rely on crits to not suck, so Counterviolence helps smooth out early game damage.

I've had some ok sniper builds on Monkey, but they're almost always outclassed by the Fire Tower or other big damage on hit weapons. Depends on what inscriptions you get I guess.

[waxen owl]

i do aware its viable build, but im ijust not confident enough to do it yet

[naive totem]

Is ice blade better than thorny bloom for a blade of bloom build?

[fallen escarp]

Yes, because the point of a blade of bloom build is using the swords.

If it wasn't, it'd just be a fatal bloom build.

[naive totem]

Eh my thorny bloom is different anyways, playstation has the old one

[glad iris]

You're asking in the wrong channel then my guy.

[fallen escarp]

And even then it doesn't matter.

Ice Blade is still better for a blade of bloom build, because the idea is to focus on the swords.

[acoustic whale]

Where do swords really shine at? It looks like they would be garbage against most bosses right? Or it just depends on the build?

[glad iris]

imo the only bosses it sucks to use against is both Act 3 bosses.

[fallen escarp]

Really? Surprised you say that for both act 3 bosses, given Abyssal Serpent literally invites itself into your melee range.

[glad iris]

Swords really shine in SA since it's easier to get a build for it there.

You don't get enough hits with Serpent and the fight drags on because of it.

[fallen escarp]

Realistically that would apply to most weapons as well unless you can force crits.

[glad iris]

The boat is because of projectiles.

[fallen escarp]

Because you're not doing anything when the serpent is at range.

Damage reduction, woo!

[fallen escarp]

In any case, melee really shines at dealing with regular enemies, because they're strong enough to tear them down relatively quickly, and if they survive all melee weapons can stagger enemies, delaying their counterattack.

Elites they're less effective against because most elites are immune to stagger, but you can still to pretty decently against them.

Bosses are a mixed bag, though most of them are typically even worse than elites. Stationary bosses like Golem they can completely suck against unless you can deal with being exposed and close range.

Wind God... yeah, melee is a pain to even attempt, let alone the counterattacks you're gonna receive.

[glad iris]

Funny enough you can bait his melee range attack and back off without getting hit, and repeat. I usually use ghost and the 3rd hit has no trouble hitting him.

[fallen escarp]

Well that's the "unless you can deal with being exposed and close range" bit.

[lucid nova]

if im reading this correctly, does 100 stacks = 2500%?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

Still need to remember that 100 stacks would still be 500% without Rogue Wave.

[fringe crystal]

elite kappa said fuck you too

[fallen escarp]

"There. Now no one gets to have it."

(You could probably still reach it by jumping off the roof.)

[lucid nova]

pretty silly dash build, i also have enhanced thunderstep wich makes things even more silly

[waxen owl]

Good job

[waxen owl]

check my stupid short gameplay on #gunfire-videos xDD

i'll never touch turtle anymore

[lucid nova]

can you hop in vc real quick? wanna share my screen real quick

its even more silly than before

u dont need to talk

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[lucid nova]

how does that look xD

[waxen owl]

your stream literally dying trying to keep up lmao

[lucid nova]

LOL

[waxen owl]

but dem 7 dash tho

[lucid nova]

basicly i have a 0.5s cooldown on dash and it resets every time one of the thunderbolts hit xD

[waxen owl]

im not sure if turtle fierce dash got like delay
ya might could just macro dash it to be even more stupid(?)

[lucid nova]

has a very very short delay

[waxen owl]

ye, cuz i stop pressing W and just rely pressing my dash with my fingers

my hand literally off from WASD buttons xDD
cuz im playing with group and aint no way they wanna wait me setting up a macro

[lucid nova]

lol

this build is basicly lei luo at home

[waxen owl]

the problem just playing low dpi, the screen kept pulling downward whenever i spam smacking the mobs

so im literally just ironing my mouse pad with my mouse

[lucid nova]

lmao, good way to swipe your desk clean

[waxen owl]

Also brain gave me mandela effect about Fierce Dash doesn't shake your screen
Decide to do the build
uh oh, screen shake
motion sickness
can't change build
c':

[lucid nova]

also single target dmg is sick

[lucid nova]

im over the screenshake sickness after playing H/E zane in bl3 (actually a seizure build)

[waxen owl]

im not
i literally discover i have that, like
L a s t m o n t h

[lucid nova]

wait you found about about H/E???

[waxen owl]

no, im talking about my screenshake motion sickness
dunno what h/e is

[lucid nova]

oh ok

i can send a clip in a bit

[waxen owl]

i have the tendency to give my friends motion sickness from the way i play other games cuz i tend to shake and rotate screen like crazy
im way too used to things goes crazy on screens for many years of gaming
but hoo boy, apparently turtle manage to break me lmao

[lucid nova]

turtle is pretty calm lol

[waxen owl]

i suppose there's specific type that trigger the motion sickness
the one u sent im fine with that, its intense for sure, but its not a new thing for me xDD

[lucid nova]

lol sub 20 without skipping any vaults didnt even notice

[paper halo]

i swear its hard to find matches in this game

[woven parcel]

I recently started the game back up and maybe see 3 people online in matchmaking

[clear edge]

so ive narrowed down my choices to concealed ammo, firescale, shrieker, wheelsaw, and rainbow arch for a fun counterviolence run. any suggestions? (all of these are based on their legendary inscriptions and mainly their secondary)

[fallen escarp]

Most launchers and melee weapons, because they cannot crit normally and are balanced (loose term here) around that.

[pearl garden]

Wheelsaw is fun with Counterviolence.

Firescale is just a better version of itself (and it's already at least A tier), and as Altanna said stuff like Tiger Cannon/Fire Tower/Poisonous Ghost can benefit a lot from gaining high crit chance.

[cobalt dock]

CA throw i locked to 1x Crit

only weapon attack in the game

[clear edge]

but can it crit .-.? with Counterviolence?

[fallen escarp]

It can crit, but it's not going to do any more damage than if it didn't.

[clear edge]

well there goes that meme build

[fallen escarp]

Yeah, it was quite the meme build back when it wasn't locked to 1x CritX.

[waxen owl]

God my scrolls are absolute busted, +1 Projectile scorching round and highest dmg 20mil
but Ascensions are absolute garbo

I shouldnt've take the 'Hail of Bullet'

Also Spiritual Link "Pistol crit after reload" doesn't increase 'Eagle Eye' if u didnt hit weak spot
was thought u could infinite crit it using mag capacity 1 and maintain 10 Eagle Eye stack

[whole swift]

how is soul strike build with shrieker?

[forest basin]

I think it's reasonably good. I've been starting with counterviolence on monkey lately and using any explosive weapon and it seems like it works fine

[whole swift]

but crit explosive weapon only works on a handful weapons doesnt it? shrieker and the fire pistol that I come to think of

on that note, can a soul strike crit using a shrieker? As it's per definition a launcher. And the "explosions" caused by soul strike + launcher should not be able to crit?

[fallen escarp]

All weapons can crit with Soul Strike, you just need the relevant bonuses.

[lunar bridge]

Soul Strike cannot crit by default. but, as altanna just said, it can crit if you have the relevant bonuses. ie: Soul Strike Sniper

[waxen owl]

Which one do you guys prefer to do

1. Have a lot of useful level 1 ascensions
2. Focus leveling 3 a certain ascension

or does it depends on characters/spiritual links?

[glad iris]

2 is usually what you should aim for.

[fallen escarp]

Depends on the hero.

And the build.

For example, Bunny's Swords Out build prefers 1, because most of the ascensions for Swords Out get stronger if you have other ascensions alongside them.

Compare to something else like Cat's Pyrodomiance build which prefers 2, because you really really need the level 3 bonus.

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[lunar vigil]

depends on character and ascension yea

like with turtle i usually want one dark tide for more punch (and for spiritual link)

but 3 on mighty stream, wave rider, etc

[waxen owl]

aite, lovely

[fringe crystal]

Usually focusing on one or two trees for a specific build is the best

You don’t want just random ascensions building off into random things

[waxen owl]

no, im talking like
specific 1 ascensions to level 3 early or multiple level 1 ascensions that fit for your build

[fringe crystal]

Well most builds will have some form of multiplicative damage boost through ascensions so those are the primary target to get to level 3

One point ascensions such as bolt from the blue can also be a core ascension in builds such as tball T&G next to fulminous zap

There will always be a core ascension in a build that U want to max out as fast as possible if thats what you're asking

Factors such as scrolls can change what ascensions you want now vs later on

[waxen owl]

gotcha

[pearl garden]

Some ascensions that come to mind where 1 point can be enough:

Energy Blade, Wildfire, Ammo Expert, Empathy with Sword, Battle Tested, Last Stand, Lightning Governor [if running the chain lighting on single target hit creates lightning strike Gifted Man], Ancient Etching [might want 1, 2, or 3 for different reasons], Aura Protection, Voltaic Aegis, Sword Guard, Golden Comeback

[digital bone]

anyoine here have turkish steam?

[vapid crag]

oh wow they have it

canned bread

[paper halo]

wow this reincarnation 9....it seems impossible to beat in multiplayer

maybe their needs to be some ajustments..

my team cant even complete the first boss XD

[fallen escarp]

The adjustments needed:
• Player 1 needs to coordinate better with players 2, 3 and 4 so they're not flailing around like a headless chicken.
• Player 2 needs to stop rushing ahead and dying.
• Player 3 needs to stop going on strike when they don't get the scroll they begged for.
• Player 4 needs to stop standing on every trap and telegraphed enemy attack.

[paper halo]

ROTFL

firstly im like the last one to fall in a team

[lucid nova]

R9 multiplayer is pain for sure

[paper halo]

and im not even the host...and i end up doing better

but once everyone else falls i end up putting myself in range of danger

[vapid crag]

man r9 sounds like pain

[paper halo]

yet i see people saying R9 is still too easy!?...and im like HOW?!?

[lucid nova]

For the reason of dumb teammates i play solo 80% of the time

[paper halo]

were they playing single or multi!?!

and note i can do R8 easy!

[fallen escarp]

Step 1: Pick Cat with Painkiller.
Step 2: Negate 95% of all threats.

[glad iris]

OP builds

[lucid nova]

Overtuned everything

[fallen escarp]

Revive spam.

[vapid crag]

nona self revive lol

[glad iris]

Interdependent Fortunes easy mode.

[waxen owl]

if you playing very obvious op build r9 is very easy

[deep ore]

just found out about the strive to survive/thunderscreen combo

it's very funny

[waxen owl]

like, ya become a walkin miasma or something

[pearl garden]

Welcome to the club
#gunfire-videos message

[lucid nova]

damn that looks zesty, i might need to try it out

[deep ore]

I wanna get it working with Tao for maximum funny

Brrr

[lucid nova]

Any build that gives a seizure is fun to me

[waxen owl]

What is this
Fkn
Tesla coil

[pearl garden]

I got the "when your shield breaks you can't move" room challenge in Act 4 and literally had to inch worm up the mountain with my dash cooldown. I was cackling.

https://youtu.be/ITjXef5xPGU?si=D1sPgGEVzD5eBGIJ

[waxen owl]

You really just walking tesla coil

[lucid nova]

who still remembers the time that there were only 2 characters and the game was a challenge to beat (without demon lore)

and when laser glove was "good"

i was all exited when i hit 20k in one hit lol

[distant cliff]

Hi y'all, haven't played since the release of the 2 new characters and now whenever I launch the game I get horrible frame drops then I think it crashes my drivers - anyone able to point me in the right direction?

[lucid nova]

what are your specs?

also welcome back veteran

[distant cliff]

Veteran? :x

Give me 2 secs

[lucid nova]

not much ppl around from very early access

[distant cliff]

Windows 10 Pro
AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 12-Core
32gb DDR4
3070 Ti

[lucid nova]

damn wont be a spec issue xD

[distant cliff]

hahaha

I've tried re-installing, verifying the files on Steam

[lucid nova]

tried verifying files and all the standard steam game issue solvers?

oh well

[distant cliff]

Tried installing on another drive

Tried turning off vsync through nvidia control panel

Now out of ideas

[lucid nova]

hmmm, try removing the config file in the folder?

[distant cliff]

Will give it a shot 2 secs

Struggling to find it rip

That seems to have fixed it

In new news, if I run it in borderless windowed mode it all crashes again xd so any ideas on that would be awesome, but will just play fullscreen for now

[whole swift]

whats the difference between "upgrade" and "reset" on owl?

[proud shale]

uprade bumps up the "rarity" of scrolls for owl's skills
reset is your scroll rerolls

[whole swift]

thanks 🙂

[bleak quest]

what's the max damage cap?

[fallen escarp]

Soft cap is 10 million. Certain modifiers can exceed this.

In your case, +50% from an elemental advantage.

[bleak quest]

damn

[whole swift]

does that mean if I have 1 upgrade left, 0 reset I will 100% get an enchanted scroll?

[quasi arrow]

I have 200+ FPS on 1060 8GB + 2600X (with some hard drops to 50 FPS on Mandrills) so try to ... reinstall the game? Or use DXVK

[proud shale]

no, upgrade does not actually enhance your scrolls, it makes them count as a higher rarity for his abilities. i.e. a blue scroll can be "upgraded" to a "legendary", making the chance to get a legendary aspect higher

[sick meteor]

that's a nice god gun right there

[waxen owl]

Dem, I need some fun Demonlore myself

Wonder does Projectile +0.2 has any cap? or ya could just farm it on lantern or something and your smg start shoot like a freakin firehose

[sick meteor]

x3

which is still an insane amount of dps if you can get some kind of ammo retention

[void quail]

10mill base 15 mill elemental 45 mill for everything but monkey, 4.8bill for monkey

[bleak quest]

damn

[void quail]

This was someoe from other discords run

262 mill in one shot

@bleak quest

[bleak quest]

[glad iris]

You can hit higher than 45mil with anyone.

[void quail]

If you include spirit argus yes but reliable only monkey

[glad iris]

Nope, there are other ways.

[fallen escarp]

Ascension Fusion for Pyrodominance is another way.

[void quail]

@fallen escarp idk what fusion is off top of my head

Unless thats the cat 3rd tier fire ascension

[fallen escarp]

Ascension Fusion is the bizarre dream modifier that lets you use other hero ascensions.

Pyrodominance is one of the ascensions on offer.

Pyrodominance 3 doubles Combustion damage, which also applies to exceeding the cap.

[void quail]

Oh then yeah

Idk bizarre stuffs name bc wasnt on xbox

[tropic kindle]

Can the poisonous ghost roll "Magazine capacity fixed at 1" gemini?

[glad iris]

No

You can see in game which Gemini weapons can't get at the craftsman.

[distant cliff]

@quasi arrow Hey mate thanks for reaching out, I've tried reinstalling, and tried it on different drives. Running on borderless windowed still just seems to crash my graphics drivers.

Just assuming it's a driver thing and when the next update comes I'll be fine xd

[valid zephyr]

100% poisonous ghost alone can bring any character above 45 mil

[waxen owl]

per hit?

[waxen owl]

I feel like game is alright enough to run with Fullscreen without the annoying stutter when Alt-Tabbing a lot
Fullscreen felt like borderless for me

[glad iris]

Ik, I hit over 100mil with it.

[waxen owl]

Is this normal? does cat could bleed?

[fallen escarp]

Is what normal?

[waxen owl]

i guess the dmg very early on, or he just super lucky with the set

[fallen escarp]

I'd say it's very possible to reach that damage amount, especially if you see them beating up immortal enemies because apparently they still count when their timer is active.

Or however that damage stacking abuse is done.

[waxen owl]

no, he just nuke boss with his bone dragon

he one hitting almost everything

[waxen owl]

I end up just quit on final boss lol
man just skip almost every vault since stage 2, skip loot on ground. zooming clean things on his own
boss get nuked in 5 hit and elite gathering just a joke xDDD
That just put me off the game, I dont feel like playing the game anymore today lmao

[distant cliff]

Recentl crashed on fullscreen too

[waxen owl]

sadge

[distant cliff]

big

[fallen escarp]

Yep. Sounds like late game balance to me.

[waxen owl]

he been doing that since the start of stage 2
the reason why the other dude also left lol

[fallen escarp]

Yep. Get lucky, tear everything to pieces regardless of who you're playing with.

[waxen owl]

yeah, it was so unfun

[fallen escarp]

It's why many people don't like playing with Atomic Bomb Dogs, for example.

Your friend throwing a billion explosions every second looks amazing, but it's less amazing when you realize the game just became a coin collection simulator.

[waxen owl]

his build prob so busted, he just dont wanna bother to stop selling item on ground or going for vault
all I do the entire game really just walk forward like u said, a coin collection sim xD

[glad iris]

Items auto sell when you enter the next level if you have the talent for it.

[waxen owl]

gotcha
i have them

i guess im just tilted cuz of this kind of gameplay, its my first time playing with this kind of gameplay so yeah

[fallen escarp]

Get used to it if you're playing with high level randoms.

I doubt many people would hesitate to use OP builds they've discovered or learned about.

[lucid nova]

i like to play with very off meta stuff but thats basicly impossible in multiplayer so i play solo most of the time

and if i do play online it with friends i know

[waxen owl]

I queue with stupidly broken build couple times with random
but so far lots of them still wait till we gather around before moving to next area

oop i prob shouldn't just ranting useless things lol

[void quail]

@waxen owl elemental orb is pretty busted with painkiller

[waxen owl]

there's no painkiller

[void quail]

Or is that mistro?

[waxen owl]

He use Splinter Orb, Elemental Orb then Maestro

[void quail]

Oh yeah definitely cap

I run splinter orb its doesnt do that much early on unless he got level 3 skill dmg

[waxen owl]

he already cracked since start to end

prob not really on stage 1, stage 2 he already wipe everything
i dunno how cat build goes so im just simply confused

[void quail]

When did he get extravagant consumption

[waxen owl]

early stage 2 cuz the enemy buff scroll thing bizarre dream i forgot what it called

[void quail]

That mighr be it

Hes host so coulda modded coins

[waxen owl]

all of his gear and scrolls are skill oriented
but he just wiping things with his bone dragon

does bone dragon could bleed or destroy shield entirely? cuz paranormality interdependent fortune is taken

[lunar bridge]

nah.

he probably did enough damage to one hit enemies even with para.

i would assume he got pyrodom 3 early or was gunning for it, as off-hand being fire tower usually means element share gemini for that 50% burn chance.

from my perspective anyways

[waxen owl]

only at end of stage 2 he has element share gemini
early-mid he still not pair his element gemini with his bone dragon

I dont play cat so i cannot judge how he could nuke things so im just having my tilted copium moment xDD

[lunar bridge]

fair. xP

[void quail]

@waxen owl ive had games on dog where i got merc combo and fihs and paw in act 1 and i melted everything in one shot with mortar till act 4 boss

But he is running splinter orb so im kinda sus tbh

[waxen owl]

he one shotting things with his bone dragon without element share gemini

only at act 2 boss and above he start using his orbs

[lucid nova]

might be a bug with final judgement and paranormality on enemies

[waxen owl]

could be i suppose

[lucid nova]

do you have a screenshot of his bonedragon?

[waxen owl]

no, but its just a generic greens with one blue inscription that is not worth mentioning with 'Lucky' Enhanced on it

[quasi arrow]

Builds button is not display:none; anymore. I forgot that I can just hide unfinished builds, so there are couple "finished". No submit button yet, I forgot about it 🙂 And if someone remember who create a "spore" build tell me coz I don't remember(someone from speedrun community)
Plus a minor optimization for mobile devices, well, now the elements should not be off-screen, but it still looks like crap.

[nimble flint]

Spore Build : Get Rainbow , Get Argus , rest irrelevant

Thats semi serious , Spores are so op and braindead that you can run them with just weapons and no ascensions. Then anything that boosts skill and weapon dmg

[dire river]

I use outplayed recording system and it often shows a game related picture and it has shown me this cat for gunfire reborn. Is this official or fan-made 🤔

[proud shale]

Fan made

[lucid nova]

looks pretty epic tho

[nimble flint]

There were some artists here that replicated the artstyle of the game art to perfection

btw

the original artist

https://vxtwitter.com/ragouse/status/1443206617986736129/photo/1

Please keep the server rules in mind and credit the creators

This was posted here 2 years ago

[glad iris]

Bone dragon does explosive dmg, and explosive dmg benefits from skill dmg. So stuff that increases your skill dmg will work on explosive weapons.

[waxen owl]

gotcha, that makes more sense

does every explosive dmg scale with skill dmg?
thats nice thing to know for explosive weapon dog build

[glad iris]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Explosion

[waxen owl]

something new to learn everyday

[tacit belfry]

Wrong

I did 87M per hit with Li with aura of venom with fire tower elemental share with pyrodominance 3

Argus isn't the only one that can bypass 45m and the monkey is not the only one. Yea it can be easier with the monkey but other characters can also.

[cobalt dock]

Pyro 3 makes 30mil combust into 90 mil

• the SA blessing you get 150mil

bugged and will be forever
45 mil , 135mil, 225mil

[pearl garden]

Walter when they remove the damage cap in the Reincarnation 13 update years from now:

https://tenor.com/view/ascension-sponge-bob-gif-15077046

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-sulu-explode-computer-gif-18131061

more like this

[willow zephyr]

was there not a limit put on the amount of elite mandrils or was that just a dream

r9 all elite mandrils, what even is that?

[fallen escarp]

R9 makes elite gatherings have only 1 type of elite.

This ignores the 3 Elite Mandrill Cavalry cap.

[willow zephyr]

Thats pretty unforgiving, i get its r9 but holy hell

im at 1.2bil dmg and that still wasnt enough

[fallen escarp]

I call it an equalizer, considering you can usually kill every single other enemy in act 3 and 4 in 1 shot.

[willow zephyr]

well act 3 elites with regen modifier and powerful attribute definitely wasnt dying in 1 shot xD

so play Nona with unkillable bot hide in corner win

👍

So i never asked (or looked it up) but Nona's mech scales with skill dmg in either form right?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[willow zephyr]

coolio thnx

[reef creek]

Actually anything that can carry you through early-mid game is good enough now that you know R9 can flip the rules on you

You probably know but stuff like painkiller cat makes it so you can build for mid-late game

[willow zephyr]

I was running primary skill tiger with a lightning ball aura of venom

[willow zephyr]

nona is actually built different

Pair of Us, with a lot of strike mode ascensions

[small ledge]

Greetings, Oh ye Reborn Gun fire-ers

Was I missed?

[fallen escarp]

AKA "Iron Wing doesn't die, you don't die, and your enemies die".

[reef creek]

I had a disappointed giggle when I realized she has a Blessing that pretty much guarantees her frame and it's the most broken thing ever at the same time

[fallen escarp]

Turtle too.

[rotund plaza]

5 Elite Mandrills. If you don't spawnkill them, gg.

[void quail]

R10 should be r9 mechanics but no spiritual remnant

[glad iris]

People probably wouldn't play it.

[fallen escarp]

People would play it, complain, then the devs nerf it by compensating players with large amounts of free enhanced weapons, enhanced scrolls and golden goblets.

[bleak quest]

there should be another exclusive level frame for the heros that you only get on level 9

and it should be like the most stupidest thing to do

gives people more motive to play R9

[fallen escarp]

The motive was supposed to be a hard difficulty.

Because of how lackluster the game's balance is however, this isn't how it ends up half the time.

In fact, adding frames to it would likely result in even more people wanting it to be easier, because they suck and can't get the frame despite the balance problems.

[bleak quest]

true

[glad iris]

People will post essays about it.

[bleak quest]

I personally think R9 is a good difficulty

just the right amount of challenge

[fallen escarp]

Most runs either die at act 1 because you don't have your build yet, die in act 4 because you've got 5 elite mandrill cavalrys at your toes, or you breeze through late act 2, act 3 and act 4 with no problems.

[bleak quest]

exactly

[fallen escarp]

Basically, that challenge comes from enemies killing you before you become unstoppable, or the one late-game enemy that can stop an unstoppable build. Everything else is cannon fodder.

[somber solar]

I've been wondering about something.

@small ledge Incase if the Nightmare Brick one is still under way and haven't been completed yet, i wanna wonder how it'll affect the fact, that Gluttony can show up in your Brick run?

Immense pain, or nah?

[fallen escarp]

By the time they reach act 4 they would be almost guaranteed to never run out of bricks.

And given that bricks can guarantee crits where the hard part about Gluttony is his weird weak spots...

[small ledge]

Yes, it should be fairly easy

Just need the right string of ascensions and scrolls

[small ledge]

To answer your question, I streamed Part 1 earlier today

[void quail]

@small ledge alright guys im back lets get act 4 started
Wiffs first shot kills 1 enemie DIES TO FIRST PENGUIN

[small ledge]

I will have my vengeance on those Antarctic cryomaniacs soon enough

[void quail]

Just dont die in the first 10 seconds

[small ledge]

You have my word it'll take at least a full minute

[rotund plaza]

Proj +0.2 + Bloody Ammo

[reef creek]

I always aim for the belly mouth, am I wrong?

[waxen owl]

the belly is the crit spot

when its closed, the area is kinda small and weird

aiming on the gap

[lucid nova]

and the crystals on his body

[mint pecan]

i have a question, when i get one of those chests where i can choose from 3 scrolls, the discarded scrolls will not appear again is that correct ?

[cobalt dock]

as long as the scroll is not in your inventory, you can find it again

i've heard of this and this time i actually noted it; a weapon that drops with your gun lvl

https://i.imgur.com/ZlZoPC7.jpeg

its when a weapon comes from the Challange Crystal that its your lvl

[mint pecan]

ok thx

just had the feeling that I did not get scrolls again that I passed on earlier chests

[rotund plaza]

that appears to drop from challenge crystal by chance in stage 3 and 4

[reef creek]

Is that main hand only or highest level between them both?

[rotund plaza]

highest

I often shared my lvl 25+ weapons dropped from those crystals to my teammates

[sacred talon]

Hey, my friend just re-downloaded the game, he has 40h on it but for some reason he was reset to level 1

[leaden idol]

This was fun to fight versus a wave consisting of elite enemy ||Modification "Lone Wolf" inserted at maximum||

[lucid nova]

89min..........

[rotund plaza]

that sure took quite a lot of time

[leaden idol]

Don't worry, I walkthrough'ed Nightmare under 30 min

[lucid nova]

then how is reincarnation so hard? its objectively easier

[leaden idol]

Reincarnation is too easy on max lone wolf modification

[lucid nova]

?????

so ur just proving my point futher? whar

[leaden idol]

Maybe

[reef creek]

Language Barrier detected. Be cautious going forward, soldier.

[lucid nova]

yeah

[void quail]

@leaden idol dont feel bad he also has long runs too

[lucid nova]

whats up with you tryina make my life miserable here? also 60 min and 89min is quite the difference

[glad iris]

One is R9 while the other is R4, just sayin.

[lucid nova]

true

even then, my run average is around 32min with all vaults (not counting speedrunning)

sometimes when i have a very zesty run i can do 19min all vaults

@void quail please stop bothering me since you blocked me for some reason
maybe its time to move on from annoying ppl and getting banned online for calling someone a R word

because i called you out for stating misinformation in a other server doesnt mean you need to bother me here (he said deafening mortar uses large ammo)

[rotund plaza]

fighting Gluttony with Talisman is not a good thing

[bleak quest]

and I have 100%d this game

[vapid crag]

congrats

[bleak quest]

thanks

[lucid nova]

Using talisman at all isnt a good thing lol

Unless you have a really cracked ele setup (better options available tho)

[proud shale]

(Painkiller)

[bleak quest]

[lucid nova]

Painkiller will work yea

[quasi arrow]

just download a full save

[sacred talon]

Wdym?

[quasi arrow]

#1055550986292297838 message

[reef creek]

Why the fuck we shaming people's times?

[bleak quest]

Can someone explain to me what the Argus thing is?

[fallen escarp]

It's a shotgun.

[bleak quest]

Well yes

I just wanted to know how people can get high damage numbers with it

[fallen escarp]

It's spirit exclusive inscription and playing as Monke.

[bleak quest]

Got it

Thanks

what

[void quail]

@reef creek thanks because thats exactly why i said what i said

[reef creek]

Nah, you doubled down on the shaming

You should've said "why the fuck we shaming people's times?"

[lucid nova]

Didnt mean to shame, but whenever i see a run that long im more impressed that he didnt give up(since clearly he either had bad rng or was running a silly build)

Any run longer than 50min is pain for me

[lucid nova]

Also not to mention, he likes shaming ppl in general (ill send you a dm real quick)

[fallen escarp]

If this was the case, many Birb runs would end in self-terminating failure.

[lucid nova]

A reason why i dont like playing birb lol

Either ur run is OP and stuff insta dies or you tickle them with feathers

(In multiplayer its the second 99% of the time)

[void quail]

99% of my runs ends bc cleave bird sucks in coop

[nimble flint]

Then you are too weak for the truest Foundry

[lucid nova]

I did a foundry only (no skills) r9 run and i hated it lol

It took me 3hrs or so and i hated every minute of it

But my friend bet me 10$ i couldnt do it so worth it

(It was more fun than playing spores tho)

[fallen escarp]

Because you had to turn on your brain sometimes, right?

[lucid nova]

Yep

Thats why i like t&g lei

Atleast t&g looks sick af

Also did you guys know that piercing flame's exclusive inscription does funky stuff with monkey's primary?( for every enemy pierced +100% dmg) it basicly doubles your dmg for every enemy hit by cudgel :D

[fallen escarp]

Amusing.

So against a single target you can do up to 1500% damage instead of 400%.

[lucid nova]

Havent tested if it works on single target

[fallen escarp]

It works on enemies with shields.

If you pierce the shield then hit the enemy, the enemy takes double damage because it already hit something.

[lucid nova]

Interesting...

Then I'd assume it works on single target yeah

Ill test it out tmr, i love playing piercing flame monkey anwyays

[fallen escarp]

With up to 3 (or 10?) targets, assuming you only have the cudgel hit ascension and nothing else that affects it, you'd be doing 102,300% damage instead of 1000%.

[lucid nova]

Correct, after the second hit all hits are 15mil dmg as far as i have seen( works in foundry rooms aswel)

Now what if you have a launcher in ur offhand and have the blessing that shares the souls strike effect?

[fallen escarp]

Hmmm...

[lucid nova]

Also, when did they add that inscription? Cant remember seeing it since a few months ago

[fallen escarp]

Piercing Flame's damage on piercing inscription was around since like... I dunno since it existed?

[lucid nova]

Lol guess i was super unlucky then since i use the weapon frequently

One of my favs since early access

Idk if its changeable but owl and nona's emote at the reaction role thingy is still a discord standard emote

[fallen escarp]

As long as the role itself isn't broken, it's probably fine.

[nimble flint]

It doesnt like that and there was a small vote to keep em that way

[lucid nova]

oh mb never saw the vote

[rain vale]

Today I lost another revive on R9 because the 5 mandrill elites pushed me into a wall and into the hitbox of one of them. Lone Wolf has been in the game for months, how about getting around to fixing the damn thing ?

[lucid nova]

build issue

if you dont one hit them you are done for

[bleak quest]

All of my R9 runs I've always killed them within about 7-10 seconds

[fallen escarp]

That's what you get for deliberately turning on +150% elites in elite gatherings without a powerful build to back it up.

[rain vale]

I literally had a maxed up demonlore and every elemental scroll and ascension playing as Crownprince, with 600 shield thanks to enhanced veteran and elemental shield. The elites preventing you from moving, thus compltetely shutting you down, should not happen regardless of the build. Being pushed literally through walls should not happen either.

[void quail]

@rain vale It's the only time that ever happens to me is if you grab +40% movements speed after dashing

[rain vale]

I didn't even have it

[void quail]

You had to have grabbed something thats increase their attack speed

[fallen escarp]

If you couldn't kill them before they gathered up on you, and didn't have the speed to stop them from surrounding and trapping you, then again, you didn't have a powerful build to back up your decisions.

Don't want this happening? Turn down the Lone Wolf setting, turn off the Lone Wolf setting, lower the difficulty, use better strategy, or make a better build.

[void quail]

[lucid nova]

or disctract em with iron wing if ur playing nona

[bleak quest]

Put iron wing in fire mode

And you have a free distraction shield

[void quail]

Hes running cat

[void quail]

Didu have elemental orb or pain killer?

[rain vale]

My build was good and more than enough to kill them. It only takes two to block you. Regardless of my build being enough or not (which it was), there is absolutely no excuse for a mob to be able to block you inside of its fucking hitbox. It should not happen.

[void quail]

@rain vale then tbh i would suggest Building into the purple tree

I always make sure to grab the link that allows u to freeze people

[rain vale]

Again, I was killing everything fine and surviving fine. I won that run. This is not the issue here.

[bleak quest]

I would just try out the advice I'll be given

[rain vale]

I already R9 won a run with Nona, she was the first one I won with actually

[bleak quest]

How does that relate?

[void quail]

Ive had games where im at 3 bill before boss 4 and died to mandrills

Dmg isnt everything

[rain vale]

The advice you've given is related to putting iron wing in fire mode, which I know about because I've already won R9 with Nona

[bleak quest]

That was sarcasm lol, I'm just saying that I'd rather take the advice or suggestions that people are giving you rather than try to make a statement that you were doing damage and have a correct build

Which is what you're kind of doing here

I won't be replying anymore

[rain vale]

Again, even admitting my build wasn't correct or whatever, situations like this should not arise. Being put inside of a mob is a bug, not a gameplay feature emanating from difficulty.

[fallen escarp]

Good enough damage to kill them, not enough damage to kill them before they ganged up on you or not enough defensive options like movement buffs or enemy movement debuffs (which is curious because Cat is the best hero for movement debuffs).

Again, not powerful enough build.

[void quail]

Ive never had that happen unless u grab attack speed increases

[bleak quest]

Only bug hitbox I've had happen to me was when I clipped into the wall that Gluttony summons

[rain vale]

Please refer to this message any time you want to tell me my build wasn't powerful enough

[bleak quest]

Was funny

[void quail]

@rain vale can u post the end game result

[fallen escarp]

Being put inside of a mob is a bug, not a gameplay feature emanating from difficulty.
This also was not your original case.

You claimed it was a problem with Lone Wolf and that it should be fixed, because you stated having trouble with the 5 elites which Lone Wolf causes. Now you're claiming that it's a problem with how the game runs which, while correct, was not your original argument.

Had you simply stated "I got pushed into an elite mandrill cavalry's hitbox, this should be fixed", none of this conversation would've happened.

[rain vale]

I've only had this issue with lone wolf and at least two mandrills at a time, which you can't have without lone wolf

[pearl garden]

Life is Elite Mandrill spam and I am but a pinball

[pearl garden]

🏓 > > > >
< < < < 🏓

[void quail]

Yesh ur scrolls say a lot tbh

[rain vale]

I took the one I was offered

[void quail]

Itsays u won

[rain vale]

I did

[void quail]

So why are u complaining im confused

[pearl garden]

They feel their revive wasn't legitimate/caused due to the elites.

[fallen escarp]

They're complaining because they received an actual bug and are anecdotally conflating the outcome with something completely unrelated.

AKA They think hitbox problems are caused by the Lone Wolf setting.

[void quail]

Also @fallen escarp how come when u go down u loose ur reload buff for big mag lauchers

[rain vale]

It's related because the bug doesn't happen when there is only one mandrill, you need at least two

It's not the first time I've had this

One mandrill is fine, the interaction beween several of them causes issues

[fallen escarp]

You're conflating the real issue with something that enables it. The issue would still exist otherwise, even if you disabled the ability for it to appear.

[fallen escarp]

I don't know. Maybe something to do with unequipping weapons when you get knocked down?

[rain vale]

It would still exist but it wouldn't happen. I'm not saying to fix lone wolf (it's fine), I'm saying to fix the hibox bug so that it won't happen, which it only does when using lone wolf

[void quail]

Its keep ur projectile buff but not the increase mag size

[bleak quest]

Lei Luo has became my new favorite character

[fallen escarp]

Actually that's not quite accurate.

Since Lone Wolf is a simulation of multiplayer's enemy count, this would also effect multiplayer, which would mean they'd have to fix (however they achieve that) or remove multiplayer as well, IF they went with your original "fix lone wolf" thing.

[void quail]

Also i hope u know stuff like hit boxes arw about impossible to fix

[glad iris]

They're not, it's just a matter as if it would be addressed.

[void quail]

I'm telling you in this instant it is

A fix would be to only allow 1 cc to the player per like half second

[glad iris]

But it's not. lol

[void quail]

The issue isnt hit boxes its that theres multiple instances of physics being applied at the same time which is breaking the games physics

Same shit from call of duty zombies where u clip through walls

[glad iris]

That can be addressed. As I said, it's a matter as if it would be. I'm talking from experience.

[void quail]

So am i, its not as simple as an easy fix

[glad iris]

It's not impossible.

[rotund plaza]

I didn't have any problem using Talisman until I faced Gluttony

Maybe not lucky enough to roll Counterviolence

(also this Nona didn't depend on Iron Wing since it's weak af in the build)

[pearl garden]

Talisman, like any weapon, can become cracked with the right setup. It's just generally more difficult to get to that point of power than some other weapons. It's one of the most unique weapons the game has, so every once in a while I try to get something cooking with it. Glad to see you seemed to have had a good moment with it in high reincarnation.

Skilled Trick is probably the biggest indirect buff it's gotten in a long while. Still sucks against hard to crit things like you said via Gluttony tho.

[rotund plaza]

I learned that

• Skilled Trick procs 5 times per right click with Talisman.
• Gluttony's belly mouth doesn't considered a weak point for Talisman attacks. They still go to all other weak points, though (5 crystals + the blue hand)

[pearl garden]

Yeah the multistacking per right click is nice. You can spam right click with a Justice to gain stacks fast too.

[fallen escarp]

Also got indirectly nerfed as well over time.
Why have a weapon that homes in on crits when Counterviolence exists?
Why switch elements when current Painkiller does them all?

[pearl garden]

Or any weapon with a scope.

[rotund plaza]

Sadly it can't with Flowing Light. Have to stab to gain 1 stack.

[pearl garden]

I do agree with you mostly here but I'm more offended at its terrible % proc chance lol. Certain inscriptions boost this considerably but ouch.

The most fun I've had with Talisman was Crown Prince with Elemental Weave, Skilled Trick/Painkiller start.

And you and I both know the Talisman wasn't the OP part of that but, well, fun regardless.

[rotund plaza]

My buddy is a Talisman Enthusiast. He often pick Talisman and do high CritX build all the time. That's why I tried to do Talisman but with element share build.

Which, you know, low element proc chance

[fallen escarp]

Don't worry, I can fix this.

Talisman Update
Weapons:
• Talisman:
• DMG 77 -> 84
• RoF: 2.6 -> 2.3
• Homing area slightly increased.

Inscriptions:
• Old: +100% Elemental Effect Chance of this weapon.
New: +200% Elemental Effect Chance of this weapon.
• Old: When triggering Elemental Effect, spread it to all enemies with 8m.
New: When triggering Elemental Effect, spread it to all enemies with 10m.

Spiritual Blessings:
• Bladed Cleave:
• Old: Cleave instantly kills normal/elite monsters with 25% HP or less, and bosses with 15% HP or less. +30% Cleave DMG for every remaining charge of Cleave.
• New: Cleave instantly kills normal/elite monsters with 25% HP or less, and bosses with 15% HP or less. +25% Cleave DMG for every remaining charge of Cleave (up to 600%).
• Painkiller:
• Old: When inflicting an elemental effect to the enemy, there is a 100% chance to inflict all elemental effects (CD: 2s). Convert all negative Elemental Effects applied to the hero to bonus with opposite effects.
• New: When inflicting an elemental effect to the enemy, there is a 100% chance to inflict all elemental effects to enemies within 6m (CD: 2s). Convert all negative Elemental Effects applied to the hero to bonus with opposite effects and doubled duration.

[rotund plaza]

oh and Nona gains Nimble Finger attack speed buff with every Talisman shooting

[rotund plaza]

• Old: +100% Elemental Effect Chance of this weapon.
New: +200% Elemental Effect Chance of this weapon.

120% element proc chance incoming (Aura of Venom, Lightning Ksana, Piercing Flame)

[fallen escarp]

But it clearly helps Talisman, so I'd say it's a Talisman update. 😩 👌

[void quail]

@rotund plaza why didnt u go for mag mod 3?

[rotund plaza]

It only showed up 2 times. Simple.

[void quail]

I would use every refresh to get level 3

The dmg increase for ur spiritual link is beyter than anything you could get

[rotund plaza]

That's easier said than done. Did you really think I didn't want that? Think more.

[void quail]

U only got 3?

U had to miss one bc its guaranteed 4

[rotund plaza]

It's all DMG Zealot and I didn't want skill DMG

[lucid nova]

Ooo never thought about running it with nona

[rotund plaza]

Talisman is counted as pistol, so I thought it would benefit her weapon ascensions.

[lucid nova]

Thats very correct

[cobalt dock]

Icy Nona

[lucid nova]

Still need to try a good icy spear on nona

Yeah

[rotund plaza]

done that before

[lucid nova]

Same braincell lol

[rotund plaza]

destroys everything in sight

[lucid nova]

Sounds about right

[rotund plaza]

line them and pierce them all

[lucid nova]

Its like budget li but more fun

Li got boring for me real fast

[rotund plaza]

imagine you get icy with 2 piercing inscriptions

[lucid nova]

it already has infinite pierce no?

[rotund plaza]

I mean these :

• Increase total weapon DMG by 10% for each enemy passed through; Increase final weapon DMG by extra 50% for returning ice thorns
• Up 50% weapon damage, on the next shot for every ice thorn returned

[lucid nova]

oh those

yeah that would be nutty

mmmmmmmmmm

@fallen escarp proof that it works

[fallen escarp]

Nice, though does it work on multiple hits with a single enemy?

[lucid nova]

also proof that the explosion works on it (the enemy next to the original enemy with close to double the dmg)

[lucid nova]

elites are in the next room so ill find out soon

[fallen escarp]

Though given your latest example with the explosions letting it work, I'd imagine it works on multiple hits too.

[lucid nova]

(oops i killed the elites to fast)

[fallen escarp]

Try the boss, and drop your damage scrolls.

[lucid nova]

i'd assume so yeah, hopefully i get serpent so i can test it out

i got serpent 🎉

if only i could get him when im speedrunning :/

@fallen escarp i can confirm it does work 🎉

[fallen escarp]

That's so funny.

Absurdly niche, but still. Nice to know Piercing Flame has a bit more use that isn't diet Fire Tower offhand.

[lucid nova]

it does make it the strongest weapon on monkey (not counting a super juiced spirit argus)

if you are building for his primary

exponential dmg is pretty funny

yep, hitting pretty low effort 10mil dmg hits while the initial hit is like 150k?

just went up 150mil in dmg by farming a single immortal enemy

@fallen escarp i have game breaking news

the funny piercing flame can kill gluttony trough his invincibility

[fallen escarp]

Oof, that's actually a bug.

[lucid nova]

aw that sucks

i thought i was onto something lol

[fallen escarp]

Unfortunately yes, it does suck.

[lucid nova]

havent had this happen ever before

[fallen escarp]

But as cool as it is, you're not supposed to be able to kill him through invincibility.

[lucid nova]

he couldnt handle the piercing flame lmao

[rotund plaza]

talk about killing through invincibility, I did once too when fighting Wind God

[lucid nova]

on r9?

[rotund plaza]

ya

[lucid nova]

also full build i used

[fallen escarp]

Yeah... definitely not supposed to happen.

[lucid nova]

sick

i love breaking the game :D

since its breaking it in a good way (with massive numbers and not annoying bugs)

[dire river]

annd with Owl's frame and mission. I completed all the achievements in the game

[bleak quest]

Congrats!

[fading cairn]

Hello, i can't choose dlc heroes when i join a friend. nerf multiplayer ?

[quasi arrow]

So you can choose them in singleplayer but can't in multiplayer?

[fading cairn]

exactly

[quasi arrow]

that the weirdest thing after Bird last rework

idk, reinstall the game

[fading cairn]

My friend has the same problem

[bleak quest]

I don't understand why this is in a negative review?

[lunar bridge]

one word: powercreep

(or "power imbalance", if you prefer that)

[rotund plaza]

meanwhile :

[bleak quest]

iron wing works half the time imo but yeah I can see that

[dire river]

she's busted but also boring

[bleak quest]

Yeah, you're just mostly staying in the back line

[lucid nova]

Unless ur playing pistol nona

I like to get in their faces with a pistol build

[bleak quest]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-chaos-guilty-gear-beloved-heart-locket-heart-gif-23977450

[lucid nova]

Fax

If i know whats going on i failed my build

[reef creek]

I will never join that club cuz I despise the very idea of multiplayer in this game

Every time someone talks about it, sounds like a really bad time for all but one player

Also Pistol Nona is really fun, I had a run with the flame pistol thingy that reloads by spinning

1mag pistol firing like an uzi

Full-auto even

[dire river]

tbh that's totally depends on how you evenly communicate and share scrolls around. me and my friends often all have evenly dmg up until pole monarc or gluttony where we fish some damage to bypass each other. with friends it is really fun

[dire river]

i should try it but i tried sword and pistol tao

default pistol

[reef creek]

Default pistol can't be gemini tho so no 1mag

[void quail]

Ive had pistol nona runs where my foundry hits for 10 mill but that's bc same boat

[sterile portal]

I love this quick build I found that's probably terrible

Yummy special ammo

[sterile portal]

Found an even better Star Ring

[tardy estuary]

xD

"Thank my lucky stars"

[void quail]

What an enjoyable run

[rotund plaza]

forgot to record this time but I survived 3 Bleeding Elite Mandrils

[waxen owl]

Warlike Blade Woodpecker tiger was pretty fun lul

weapon shoot like bRRRR

[void quail]

Wereu not just in a game as monkey

Nvm then wrong moxen

[woven parcel]

Whats the top tiger build right now? i saw someone doing 2 billion before

[fallen escarp]

Top tiger build is whichever one lets you repeatedly hit the damage cap in rapid succession against immortal enemies and Pole Monarch clones, for maximum damage number cheesing.

AKA "Who cares, the number is meaningless in any serious context".

[woven parcel]

fair enough, I dont play him so i wasnt sure what blessings to go

[lucid nova]

he doesnt have ultra high dmg numbers most of the time, but he has alot of AoE clear. the only build that will give big balls dmg numbers is gradual improvement with shrieker or most snipers

but yeah, most of the big number come from farming immortals or pole monarch clone

[meager dew]

is there a way to stop certain players from joining ur lobby? I kick them but they keep joining back

[void quail]

@meager dew sadly no

[rotund plaza]

one at a time eh

(this is at the end of stage 2)

[lucid nova]

what kind of build is it supposed to be lol

[rotund plaza]

I wanted to do meteor build lul

[cobalt dock]

Bingo

[lucid nova]

Feels bad

[rotund plaza]

yep died to 2x shielding white sharks

not enough dmg to wipe them

[rotund plaza]

why am I doing this

[reef creek]

So, people usually say "iron wing busted" when talking about the little girl whose name I won't remember but I want to make her justice

Is the toy overpowered? Yes.

Is every other thing she has busted? Yes, that also.

[nimble flint]

Nona

and yes

[reef creek]

Okay, I only took the elemental blessing thingy for the mecha and that was enough for it to pretty much solo the boat, I concede that

[nimble flint]

Nona can easily have some ‚interesting‘ combos

Like non existent reload times are possible with her

[reef creek]

But I was one-shotting everything with 1mag full auto Argus, it was not okay

[nimble flint]

turning single shot weapons like tiger cannon or the drill sniper into automatic weapons

[reef creek]

That, exactly that.
And on top of having the mecha, not okay

[rotund plaza]

Tao's reload + Ao Bai's reload + Nona's reload

[reef creek]

Didn't get that lucky lmao

I actually took nothing cuz all the cross-character blessings were awful

[rotund plaza]

I got them both showed up once but I'm not interesting in reloading at that moment

[rotund plaza]

Total Eradication also?

[reef creek]

I don't know most names in this game lmao

[waxen owl]

I usually just refer to their effect is easier to remember lol
for characters just their species

[reef creek]

I have no idea what Nona (gracias, Cryorus) is, she looks exactly like firefox so she might be one too

She is mechagirl to me

[waxen owl]

she's red panda

[reef creek]

They look the same tho

[rotund plaza]

vs

[reef creek]

But thanks, I'll try to remember that

[reef creek]

They'reTheSamePicture.png

[waxen owl]

The characters I call them
Fox, nona, bnuy, monke, tiger, owl, doggo, catto, turtle and duolingo

[rotund plaza]

Duolingo

[waxen owl]

whenever someone refer to their proper name i definitely cannot tell

[waxen owl]

green
bird
Duolingo

[waxen owl]

you missed your kick

[rotund plaza]

yup

missed a kick and lost the stacks (streak)

[waxen owl]

i still dont like his janky primary kick, prob reason i dont play him

[rotund plaza]

until you get right blessings and ascensions

#gunfire-videos message

[waxen owl]

I wouldn't say he's weak
he's just janky and inconsistent due to the game

I can full range kick with him and barely get any armor, and super close kick and fully replenish my armor

[reef creek]

I never play kick bird

Only slash bird

Kill everything with slash until slash build up synergy drops

[waxen owl]

Secondary skill build are mostly the last builds I would try so I never try slash bird yet

[reef creek]

I had fun on R6 with it

[visual obsidian]

o/

[vapid crag]

e

[vapid crag]

anyone wanna play rn?

[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[glad iris]

No Access

[fallen escarp]

Bot needs to be updated.

[nimble flint]

That’s something that can be changed later sometime. Bigger changes planned when its weekend

[strong ember]

lfgggg

[small ledge]

Does anyone know if there are mods that alter the weapons one can get from the starting chest?

[fallen escarp]

Mods aren't allowed to be discussed here, with the exception of the VR mod.

[small ledge]

Ah, how unfortunate

oh well, all the more reason to beat the game on Bricks only legitimately

[lucid nova]

play brick monkey

very OP

tho piercing flame with exclusive is the best and most free weapon on monkey with cudgel

[rotund plaza]

that +100% dmg per hit right?

[lucid nova]

well yes, but it actually doubles the dmg every hit

[lucid nova]

here is some proof, also you can scroll down for some more zesty stuff you can do with it

also skipped gluttony's invincibility lol

[lucid nova]

@rotund plaza this is what ur screen will look like :D

pretty zesty

pretty fun weapon to abuse

[rotund plaza]

figures

[lucid nova]

funny numbers

[rotund plaza]

funny numbers with funny sniper

[vapid crag]

They've really revamped the game;
The early game used to be super tedious

It's either that or I play the DLC character

Tarociara/Tarrotlady

Dual Fang(Back up)+Glimmering(sends 0-3 cards at once with 1 aa since the magazine size is 1).

[lunar bridge]

tarrotlady
pretty sure the owl is a male. xD
while the red panda is a female.

[vapid crag]

yeah she has a male voice actor

but she looks female

no clue why she sounds male

[lunar bridge]

anyways,
yes, act 1 is where you'll struggle the most bcuz you do not have a build yet.
(unless you chose an overpowered blessing at the start lmao)

[vapid crag]

I mean act 1 was a lot harder a year ago

I think I even refunded the game at that time when it still costed 5 euro

[lunar bridge]

nah, zi xiao's a male.
starting from turtle and bunny, they've been releasing in a male-female pattern. not sure if intended lul.
turtle, monkey, owl - male
bunny, fox, red panda - female

[lunar bridge]

i mean, that is a year ago.

[waxen owl]

Imo act 2 is more harder to test if you have received decent build from act 1

[vapid crag]

I got surprised by how the act 3 boss went, I wasn't prepped to dodge so many stuff even though I had 3 dashes

[lunar bridge]

I'm not sure what it's like back then since i bought the game after the game was way out of early access. like, i got it at the end of last year?

[vapid crag]

I basically had a boss melt build where I go all in with the cards

[lunar bridge]

cards stronk

[waxen owl]

the hydra looking one?

[vapid crag]

No the boat

Boat boss

[waxen owl]

ou

i dont have much problem with the missiles, im more annoyed by the ground corrossive

[lunar bridge]

you mean the jellyfishes.

[waxen owl]

yeah

[lunar bridge]

yea, they cover a lot of ground and is hard to hit directly cuz they so dang small.

[waxen owl]

the missiles you can see the indication before it hit
the green goopy jellfishies just trap you

[vapid crag]

I'm aware but I got at first hit by them once.
And then got hit by them again when I tried to put the ball into the cannon

[reef creek]

I want to play Tiger Cannon and make it work. I had a failed run yesterday where I got it firing 2 projectiles somewhat consistently but I need moar

I think monkey with the talent buffing thingy and a shotty in the back would make it more likely, am I on the right track?

[lunar bridge]

eh, probably? assuming you're talking about weapon mastery (I think that's the name?), it's like 75% projectile increase which translates to 0.75 projectiles.
iirc, it applies to the base amount of projectiles, before any inscripts. so, a tiger cannon with "+1 proj, +100% consumption" and a shotty with the blessing would have 2.75 proj.

[reef creek]

It is what I meant

Damn, that sucks

Is this the best it can do, really? Likely 3 rockets? Disappointment

[lunar bridge]

if you're lucky enough to get a tiger cannon with the "+1 proj" legendary/orange and "+0.2 proj on kill" rare/blue inscript, you can have 4 proj.

even better if you get the "double proj when hitting 3+ enemies in one shot" common/green(or is it rare/blue?) inscript.

[cobalt dock]

did it work on single target? i don't recall

[lucid nova]

it does

[lucid nova]

.

[cobalt dock]

nice, more hits on same target goes hard

[lucid nova]

i had unstopable phantom 3 and raging waves 3

[sick meteor]

what are the conditions for getting the frame for zi xiao

do you have to restart if you pick up a single non similar scroll?

including cursed?

[lunar bridge]

you can only pickup scrolls of the same rarity tier only. (ie: rare only)

and yes, it includes cursed. cursed is its own seperate scroll rarity tier.

[glad iris]

Tiger canon doesn't get that blue inscription. Which is why bone dragon is better.

[lunar bridge]

wait, it doesn't? damn...

sadge

[glad iris]

Mag too low

[lunar bridge]

ah, i see...

makes sense

[nimble flint]

pah

the golden age had something even better

also +1 Proj and the 0.2 per kill would result in 6 projectiles not 4

Also as per tradition :
WELCOME TO THE BONE ZONE
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/718058866092277820/723531366423068751/get_BONED.mp4

+2 Projectiles and +0.2 Per Kill

9 shots at once

The old age of the +2 Projectiles inscription

[lucid nova]

Epico new shotgun

[nimble flint]

it didnt simply fire a black hole

it shot a full constelation of black holes

[neat yoke]

i cant find looking for game section

[lofty bay]

#lfg-global

[ancient ruin]

They moved it

[jaunty harbor]

ngl

my enjoyment of the game has gotten a lot worse since Reinc 9. I know I can just choose to not play it, but I tend to try to play these games as if the hardest were standard and less is just for progression.

Reinc 9 feels legitimately unfun

At like, all times

[jaunty harbor]

I haven't beaten it yet, haven't gotten to icy peaks yet. I know I can just go bird and cheese it, or roll till I get enhanced immunity on weapon swap and play autobomber cat

but like, that aint right

[ancient ruin]

its much easier in a team of 3

[jaunty harbor]

I only play solo

[ancient ruin]

Yeah it's a lot more fun and somewhat easier with more people

Can also get quite chaotic with the modifiers

[jaunty harbor]

Meh

I do play with all mutators on except for weapon storing

[ancient ruin]

yep

[jaunty harbor]

so lone survivor is screwing me over

[ancient ruin]

probably yeah

[jaunty harbor]

but like, reinc 8 felt super fun with that

the only thing 9 does is make every enemy have added bs

[ancient ruin]

R9 is like R8 but 10x harder

Well that's the point

they wanted to make it a challenge

You just need to watch your spacing more

[jaunty harbor]

I think my concern is that there are scenarios with 9 where damage, which is also often death, become unavoidable

and that I basically need to build into immortality gimmicks

[proud shale]

10 x 0 = 0

[ancient ruin]

you can avoid it, you just need to lear better spacing

[jaunty harbor]

I need to relearn* spacing

[ancient ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890090759011840053/1156694953062309948/1153380714725773462.gif?ex=6515e79f&is=6514961f&hm=59baf914f4d5fd80f6f63d499f132f69004fc7c3512bd0b97342b093d406d1fd&

[fallen escarp]

That's the consequences of extreme highs/lows, and poor balancing.

Taking the good stuff is too easy. Not taking the good stuff sucks badly.

[jaunty harbor]

Yea

[ancient ruin]

mhm

[jaunty harbor]

Bird legit is unfun because woohooooo total immortality that no enemy mutator can ignore

very well balanced

but its the only way I can think of to beat this

[ancient ruin]

Umm

Most of the characters can solo R9

[jaunty harbor]

I'm sure they can

I didnt get a good enough build yet

[fallen escarp]

Using the other method of winning.

[jaunty harbor]

must have tried 20 times

[ancient ruin]

Only character that I havent soloed r9 with is the sniper guy

[jaunty harbor]

Well, are you using all mutators?

[fallen escarp]

First method is become immortal.
Second method is one-shot everything before they can even try to hurt you.

[ancient ruin]

yes

[jaunty harbor]

aight fair

I know its skill issue but the difficulty has reached the point where it feels unfun

[ancient ruin]

turtle is easy to win with, just build fist sensation

[fallen escarp]

(There is also a secret third method where you win through pure skill, but that one has become lost to legend.)

[ancient ruin]

[jaunty harbor]

I hate turtle infinitely and will never play him again

[ancient ruin]

why?

[jaunty harbor]

antithetical to how I play

[ancient ruin]

lets be honest, cat is best character.

[jaunty harbor]

cats fun

but infinite elemental bs cant save me from worm boss

[reef creek]

Cat Painkiller kills R9

[jaunty harbor]

who I died to twice on him

seriously how tf are you supposed to not die to the laser

[ancient ruin]

Worm is the easiest boss

run?

[jaunty harbor]

it goes faster than default speed by a lot!

[ancient ruin]

Then build speed

also you got a dash

[reef creek]

Build for crit gemini with fast firing gun and worm won't even survive long enough to be a threat

[jaunty harbor]

building speed is getting 2 of 4 very specific scrolls

[ancient ruin]

take a sword with you

[reef creek]

Cap

[ancient ruin]

and yeah its not

I can up my basic speed every run unless im really unlucky

[jaunty harbor]

Swords, 4 scrolls or so, what else am I missing

[reef creek]

Also dash can avoid laser spin

[jaunty harbor]

I can dash through it and take like 80 dmg

unless im missing something

[reef creek]

Are you too far?

[ancient ruin]

You can dash through it without taking dmg I beleive

[reef creek]

You need to be close to outrun and/or clear it with dashes safely

[jaunty harbor]

ye I get the concept

in a vacuum I could do it, but the animation is also giga fast

just overwhelming

and annoying

[ancient ruin]

I dont mean to bm or anything, but worm is by far the easiest boss (even easier than golem).

[jaunty harbor]

Id agree with you easily outside r9

[reef creek]

Play cat
Pick painkiller
Build for single target hard removal, like crit builds with off-hand sniper or spores with high RoF mainhand

[ancient ruin]

it just gets shredded

[reef creek]

No issue

[jaunty harbor]

worm is very squishy

[ancient ruin]

even in R9 its the easiest

if you're complaining about worm, then what about all the other bosses?

[jaunty harbor]

I have no issue with dragon, or floor 1 bosses

havent made it to floor 3 boss yet lol

[reef creek]

Golem claps my cheeks once in a while but worm, never got my head

[ancient ruin]

yeah

Golem is a bit RNG sometimes

[jaunty harbor]

I can turn my brain off for every other boss

[ancient ruin]

like you can hide behind a rock but it just hits you anyway

[reef creek]

I'm too impatient to play golem properly

Unga bunga or go home

[jaunty harbor]

anyway yea its just a stubborness issue

I like to play fun ability builds

[ancient ruin]

Then play fox

[jaunty harbor]

but I gotta cheese r9

[reef creek]

Firefox painkiller as well

[jaunty harbor]

my issue with fox in r9 so far is that I cant get out of floor 1 with her

[ancient ruin]

yeah

painkiller fam

[jaunty harbor]

yea yea

[ancient ruin]

shreds everything

[jaunty harbor]

I normally always do occult booster + class specific

cause it makes the run way more interesting

[reef creek]

I'll be honest, if I wanna have fun I play R6 max

Anything beyond that is if I wanna tryhard a bit

Wanna beat R9? Pick painkiller cat and build for pyro3 and crit or whatever

[fallen escarp]

~~Well there's your problem! You're not using Overconsumption every single run without fail!

"How am I gonna stop some mean demonic creature from tearing me a new behind? The answer? Is every stat. And if that don't work, use more stat."~~

[jaunty harbor]

it really is that easy with painkiller, huh

[fallen escarp]

Turning 95% of enemies into punching bags? Nah, it's very hard.

[jaunty harbor]

with thunder screen, or id imagine really any low effort ele proc setup

the early game is made free

and I dont need to worry about getting frozen solid by the color green, a nice bonus

[glad iris]

I can understand how some can have trouble with the worm boss on r9. When I saw that laser sweep I was wtf. But I only saw it once because he died right afterwards.

[upbeat drift]

Gotta love random disconnects

The run finally started ramping

[restive torrent]

[upbeat drift]

Bunny W

the run was blessed too

I wanna die

[reef creek]

This community is toxic and I hate it

No one told me sword monkey is fun as hell

He do be dashing and I mean DASHING

[pearl garden]

Almost any time someone asks about Monkey primary builds I mention Fire Tower

Killswap gemini my beloved come back.

You were useless in most other builds and cluttered the inscription pool, but you were so good on sword

[jaunty harbor]

I can never make Monkey work

I dont get the point

same with Owl but thats partly for mental health

[lucid nova]

monkey is fun :D

[reef creek]

I don't think I play monkey optimally because I find relying on the skills to be less fun

You can destroy the game with cudgel builds, but I like trying to go weapons

A lot weaker, but monkey handles the unga bunga

[mint pecan]

is there gold wise an advantage to manually salvage items instead of automatically when the gold ring is hovering around it ? I asked in multiplayer but they did not understand what I meant

[lunar bridge]

uhhh not really?
if you spend too long in a stage (somehow), the drops will eventually despawns by itself. in this case, manual salvage is better cuz you are sure to not lose out on gold.

otherwise, if you're not spending your time mucking around and about in a stage, the auto salvage will save you time.
cuz it's not like you're going to spend that long in a stage anyways.

[mint pecan]

yea ok I was just wondering why everyone was always manually salvaging

[lunar bridge]

they probably didn't know that auto salvage is now a thing.

which, to be fair, a normal player won't know if they didn't read the patch notes.

[mint pecan]

I only knew because I got the achievement that I salvaged something when I had the talent 😄

[lunar bridge]

lmao

that's one way to find that out. 😂

[jaunty harbor]

Since when???

[lunar bridge]

since an update recently? i forgot when and which.

might've been the R9 update

[nimble flint]

Nope

March 17 this year

[lunar bridge]

ah

it was earlier then

[nimble flint]

Together with Interdependant Fortunes

Also its on stage transition not time

Thats why the gold count jumps up a bit

Also great for us speedrunners since we dont lose out on money by going fast