Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 )

[agile grotto]

Sorry

[nimble flint]

As developers would pull their games from distribution to not have to pay the costs of this unity shit

right now Its save to say gunfire wont disappear in the short term

[agile grotto]

What happens if devs refuse?

[nimble flint]

Thats way too complicated to say

[agile grotto]

That's all I wanted to hear

[fallen escarp]

Law will probably happen.

[agile grotto]

It's not like Unity can sue a developer from China haha

[nimble flint]

they can

[fallen escarp]

Though law is likely already happening with companies going out against Unity.

[nimble flint]

But the issue is that part of what they want to do is illegal

[fallen escarp]

For even suggesting such a blatantly illegal change.

[agile grotto]

Um, China isn't NATO country, they have no authority there

[nimble flint]

You realise how little that matters in this regard right ?

This is contractual matter between customers ( devs) and the engine provider

[agile grotto]

How software maker can sue someone from completly different country?

[fallen escarp]

Contractual obligation lets them.

But in this case, that won't work at all.

[nimble flint]

There is tons of legality loopholes and issues in what Unity wants to pull

[fallen escarp]

Because Unity is trying to charge developers on older properties when they haven't agreed to it.

[agile grotto]

How much exactly they demand?

[nimble flint]

The most likely case is that either Nintendo or someone else is going to sue them into oblivion if they dont pull those changes

[agile grotto]

If it's just 10 % per payment fee then it's pretty much fair, no need to fuss

[nimble flint]

This is already way too offtopic so going there

[agile grotto]

#off-topic

[twin hollow]

anyone else infinitely loading into spirtual assault?

[fallen escarp]

Personally for me it takes a while to load, but it eventually does.

[twin hollow]

like how long?

[fallen escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proud fable]

"I'm running circles around ya!"

[valid zephyr]

why does it kick everyone from lobby when someone leaves? it hasnt done that since the last update

[wraith dome]

Crown Prince & Tao

[elfin laurel]

Does convergent paths trigger on scoping with a sniper such as piercing flame?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[elfin laurel]

Thanks

[proud fable]

Ya'll mind if I casually type every lose animation emote real quick?

All of them just look embarrased and humiliated by the defeat.

and the animations vary in characters!

truly a great detail.

[glad iris]

Everyone is a leftie except Nona.

[proud fable]

that too

Tao makes it seem slightly much embarrassing because of the fact the she covers her face.

Some fold.

[lavish raven]

this couldve been a 4 bil run if it was on r9

first time getting super crit fire tower elemental build lol

[reef creek]

Got a win with Turtle

Still don't get the character

Weird to have a weapon just to get a number behind the skill

[proven isle]

So I’ve been off the game for a bit— I’m usually either playing Gunfire or Risk of Rain as a phase. But I’m deep into both games now where I start finding my OP runs

Nona is braindead fun— but I’ve also found myself enjoying Li the Fox a bit more with reincarnation (specially Cataclysm)

I don’t have that much disk space but here

[forest basin]

every time I make a group using matchmaking, one player always leaves in 3-4 scenes and it's always the dog player

[kindred vector]

Can gunfire cross play?

[fallen escarp]

Only Xbox Gamepass + PC Gamepass, or PS4 + PS5 (unstable).

[proven isle]

Most recent highest damage, just ALMOST there in the billions

[upbeat drift]

Yo, you have any idea as to why the game would disconnect somebody for no reason

my friend can't play after the recent update as he dc's everytime randomly even tho he hasn't lost connection to wifi or anything

He'll even dc as the host

[glad iris]

bad connection

[upbeat drift]

It's not that

he never had a problem before, and has around 60-70 ping on average

he doesn't dc from the call or anything

it's just the game seems to randomly kick him

[fallen escarp]

A lack of development on keeping gameplay stable is my guess.

Too many new shiny things, not enough bug fixing and maintanence.

[cobalt dock]

but they reduced the FishandBearpaw lag 🙃

[prime walrus]

does this give us the power or to the iron wing?

[fallen escarp]

To Iron Wing.

[prime walrus]

okay thanks

i was confused 😄

this combined with Fire Coverage is just amazing plus armored caster omg

[solemn epoch]

This weapon dropped for me before stage 4 boss, was playing Nona. I never had a lvl 30 weapon drop. How is this possible?

[prime walrus]

few days ago something like that happen to our group as well and i think it was like that or 32

it was same level as the the person who drop it's main weapon

[vapid crag]

Im running a cat build, going for radio gloves and a argus w/ spores. What ascensions should I be looking for? Its R9..

[nimble flint]

none

Better look for a Rainbow

Thats not a joke , the Spores are enough by just continuing to level up the argus

[lucid nova]

spores 🤮

[daring nova]

Reincarnation 9 is definitely rough!

[lucid nova]

Its meh

Funny 9:34 time for my pb tho

[prime walrus]

do you guys know what is that mean?

[fallen escarp]

Just like some of his ascensions, it's an effect with a chance to happen based on how many scrolls you're carrying.

[prime walrus]

so it just about number of scrolls?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[prime walrus]

Thanks

[quaint karma]

Beat Gluttony for the first time in the normal mode today but didn't get the Greater Evil Exorcised achievement. Do you have to beat him in Spiritual Assault to get it?

[lunar bridge]

unless they fixed the achievement not popping in main adventure, yes it's spiritual assault only.

[quaint karma]

Dang, guess got no choice then. They should probably either fix the condition or the description then since it's confusing now

[pearl garden]

Could be something to post about in #1060159100006178816

[quaint karma]

Good idea, just did so

[lunar vigil]

which do y'all think is rougher

LWP4 or doing a run with 4 players

i would imagine the prior but don't run w/ groups a bunch so idk

[fallen escarp]

I have no experience with 4 players, but given what I've seen of their victory screens I'd say LW4P is rougher.

Sure the enemies have way less health on LW4P, but you also spontaneously fail the moment something taps you and you cannot get more scrolls that you want from others.

[eager ginkgo]

What is this visual bug?

[pearl garden]

LWP4 is rougher in the sense you and you alone are the carry. 4 player runs allow for lazier play since revive chaining exists/builds can have ridiculous damage and easily carry the run. You do not need to play as smart to ensure consistent wins in multiplayer.

The count in many of these multiplayer screenshots total above 50. In solo you're allowed 1 mistake without a blessing to pad that [not counting Triple Comeback].

[deep ore]

i hate zi xiao so much right now

i hate him so much

maybe i'm the idiot for trying to do his level frame challenge in r9lwp4

but my god

i HATE him

i hate him and i hate his challenge

i got all the way to the god damn fjord and then got instagibbed by some random thing

i have lost 10,000 soul essence trying to do this

that said i certainly understand him a lot more now than i did before!

i understand now that literally everything about him is RNG

i kind of want to just say screw it all and do it on an easier difficulty, but the fact taht I got so freakin close this time gives me pause

It feels like there's basically only one way to do his frame challenge at the top flight and that's to get god roll ascensions or a ton of ascension rerolls and do a falling star build with it

He might be the single hardest character to level because so many of his trees completely lack interplay

I felt like I was having my teeth kicked in every time a goblet appeared and no yellow icons were in it

Nothing else seems to do enough damage reliably

Pair that with terrible defenses and the fact that the rarity restriction breaks a lot of spiritual links

[fallen escarp]

Can I teach you about our lord and savior, card build?

Which despite the ascension group being called "Strategy Thought" requires neither strategy nor thought? Doesn't even require good RNG either.

[pearl garden]

Card printer go brrrrrr

[lunar bridge]

couldn't you just... click the window away like you would normally? all you need to do is just... opening the scoreboard and right click to free to mouse...?

[warm lark]

r9 LWP4 is still no match for atomic bomb free soul essence printer

now i just need to do it on all other character to be happy

[lucid nova]

R9 isnt hard except the first 3 levels can me little bit annoying with tough luck

[tropic shale]

just felt like im lacking damage on R9

bosses werent dying even with spores

[fallen escarp]

Funny you say that, because enemy HP was not touched on R9 at all.

You'd get exactly the same result in R8 and R7.

[tropic shale]

i dont remember these modifiers on boss levels before

only on r9

[fallen escarp]

R8 has more challenge events.

[tropic shale]

also no goblets from elite encounters

are annoying too

[fallen escarp]

Goblets from elites are only a chance.

[tropic shale]

whats the play on nona? turret mode or run around?

Elite encounters was guaranteed goblets

[fallen escarp]

Elite Gatherings have guaranteed goblets.

Elite Invasions do not.

[tropic shale]

ive never -not- had one, that seems insane

cant say ive ever struggled even remotely with r8 but r9 just beat us down

[lucid nova]

yum!

we do a little collecting cursed scrolls

right r9 is hard :D

too much

the dopanime rush of those crips luckyshots is insane

how did this happen????????

a smidge of curses

[lucid nova]

half not bad

[deep ore]

i found card build to be the least reliable damage wise particularly with the scroll restrictions

pretty much any time i managed to pass through the sieve of the tombs i came out on the other side dealing absolutely zero damage

am i running the wrong lone wolf blessing? I usually started with endless assault because he's got such awful secondary economy that you kind of need it to not be constantly left without your primary weapon

[deep ore]

yeah

the problem with going with any one build is that zi xiao has absolutely positively god awful ascension synergy

that or I just straight up don't understand his mechanics still

because if you do not get god roll ascensions while trying to build for any one specific ability/aspect

you are screwed

and will not have any damage

i saw hints of something doable though

a combination cards/melee build just might be possible

it seemed to work in the tombs

honestly most of his ascensions are also just hot garbage by the numbers

maybe i just need to believe in the heart of the cards

[elfin laurel]

Does damage dealt from the fish or bear paw scroll get the bonus from Qin Yang's double tap spiritual blessing?

Or does only the initial hit get the bonus, and the FoBP scroll damage only calculate from base damage as normal?

[lucid verge]

I very much feel you Maitele, getting Owl's achievements on R8 LW4 like I did for every other character made me want to tear my hair out towards the end

[deep ore]

what was your strategy

i'm trying to do a combo weapon/card build with common scrolls

i got furthest with a falling star build with rare scrolls but im convinced that only happened because I got very good ascension rolls

[lucid verge]

I was going with a card build the whole time, and I was trying to kill two birds with one stone with trying to complete winning with him at all and his level frame in one run

Falling Star just didn't seem like it was worth doing at all from what I've seen

But I managed to squeeze out a run today finally

[deep ore]

pure card??

god

that had to be awful

what level scrolls did you use

[lucid verge]

Rares

[deep ore]

really?

how did you manage your card economy

i'm always running out

[lucid verge]

Endless assault

[deep ore]

huh...

[lucid verge]

With spore cloud weavers

[deep ore]

maybe r9 is different somehow because i find that if i don't take skill freak as my lone wolf ascension I still have massive card economy issues because it just takes too many cards to kill anything

even though i know r9 healthpools are the same as r7

[fallen escarp]

Only real difference that Card Owl suffers from in R9 is the fact that your cards like to throw themselves at Horsehead shields.

[deep ore]

i mean i have massive card economy issues regardless because this is like the second worst secondary skill for economy just ahead of cleave

at least in maingame

[fallen escarp]

Believe me, the card economy goes sharply up the moment you get a point or two in some ascensions.

[deep ore]

yeah except the problem is getting those ascensions

i swear

the game is INTENT on never letting me "turn on" any one setup

that's why i'm resorting to this combo card/weapon build

[fallen escarp]

Compared to other heroes, Zi Xiao has...
checks
2. 3 if you include weapons.

[deep ore]

zi xiao is like a hero that refuses to turn on

you never get that moment of "aha, i'm stronger now"

you're just less weak

[fallen escarp]

Most other heroes have 1 ascension for secondary economy.

He's also definitely a hero that starts weak and becomes strong.

Like Tao is.

[lucid verge]

The pain I was feeling when I didn't choose Ultimate Gambler

[deep ore]

tao really doesn't start that weak imo

she has a lot of ascensions that instantly make her far more flexible

sword guard, blade of bloom, warlike blade

[fallen escarp]

She does. Many of her ascensions are designed to work multiplicatively with each other.

[deep ore]

zi xiao does not have any of these

[fallen escarp]

On top of finding a suitable weapon for most builds.

[deep ore]

yeah but that's not unique to her and she's not THAT much worse off for not being totally synergistic

certainly not like zi xiao is

[fallen escarp]

Result is you start with no synergies and a junk weapon most of the time.

[fallen escarp]

Multiplicative.

Her scaling is way higher than most other heroes.

[deep ore]

yes

[fallen escarp]

The logical beginning is she starts as soft as a wet noodle.

[deep ore]

you get more reward per ascension than most heroes

that's why i say she's easier to move into a place where you can work around her weaknesses

whereas zi xiao is just unrelentingly fucking punishing if you aren't playing at maximum synergy at all times

[lucid verge]

All I got left for Zi Xiao is the destiny's choice achievement, and then I can finally be rid of Owl, he is definitely not my style of character

[fallen escarp]

You need to get those ascensions though, just like Zi Xiao does.

[deep ore]

and oftentimes, RNG just won't be in your favor anyway

i mean you need to get ascensions to get any character working

[fallen escarp]

But you need to do it with them more so.

Because the right ascensions work together so much more than other heroes.

Failure to get them hurts that much more.

They both start weak, but eventually become strong with enough right ascensions.

[deep ore]

the only ascension that produces the feeling i was talking about with sword guard or blade of bloom or the like that zi xiao has is perfect deck

with card storm being close but not really

most ascensions with zi xiao feel like they're not actually making you more powerful right then

only later

when you get some other ascension that will make that work

tao at least has a few of those

and because of how horribly punishing this run is, that later never comes

he's a character entirely made of blueballs

like my guy i have been trying for HOURS to get him to activate and i have not ONCE felt anywhere near as powerful as you say he is

it just does not happen

even on my best run i still felt at the mercy of his mechanics at all times

the only thing he has is fat damage numbers when he gets falling star turned on

but he has NOTHING ELSE and even falling star is really fucking unreliable thanks to its RNG

card isnt even that brainless since it's really easy for all your cards to suddenly dump in a beetle or some shit that ran up on you and leave you utterly defenseless

so you still have to play really smart

[cobalt dock]

i don’t go for achievements really, but im in to try that one, Card build R9LW4 you say?

[deep ore]

card build R9LW4 with the level frame challenge (only carry one scroll rarity)

though im doing card/weapon

[cobalt dock]

well, anything as long as you get the achievement

[deep ore]

i will feel like god if i pull this of

f

[lucid verge]

I only did it with R8 LW4, but I don't think I feel masochistic enough to do it all again on R9

I need to learn the new enemy abilities with R9

[elfin laurel]

Death.

[lucid verge]

Lots of it

[deep ore]

its funny that r9 actually nerfs certain enemies

crossbowmen are far less scary in r9 than they are in r8

in r8 crossbowmen are MENACES

[lucid verge]

Oh for real?

[deep ore]

yeah their ability is "more accurate"

which actually makes them easier to fight because they're less likely to completely saturate your area with arrows

grenadiers on the other hand...

they are the new crossbowmen

bombers are also a lot scarier

[lucid verge]

Oh yeah, I remembered them being scary af

[deep ore]

respectively their buffs are:

grenades split into 3 after detonating
when killed on approach the heads fly towards the player

grenadiers flush you out so hard if you try and keep distance

but the faster footsoldiers and spearmen mean you can't just rush in either

[lucid verge]

So far most things I've died to were from things I didn't know about like the serpents having a second sweep following the initial one

Yeah tombs are especially rough in R9 from what I remember

[deep ore]

fjord is also really hard actually

mostly cause of catfish grunts and octopi

catfish grunts have the same buff as shield crossbowmen (reflect damage) and octopi are octopi

[fallen escarp]

Octopi are also nerfed similar to Crossbowmen, as long as you're solo and aren't playing as Nona.

They also get increased accuracy.

[deep ore]

they absolutely rip you to shreds if they clip you though

[fallen escarp]

Well, I suppose they shoot faster.

[deep ore]

cause they still have the slow

whitesharks are also REALLY ANNOYING cause they are really fast now

[fallen escarp]

But they have to hit you first, and clipping you with a stray shot is less likely.

[deep ore]

but they were always annoying

well it's easier when you're not having to dodge 3 billion pyro lanterns because a corrupt monk appeared on the other side of the stage

[lucid verge]

Oh I remembered those, and them constantly stunlocking me

[fallen escarp]

The most amusing nerf was with Flying Saucer.

[deep ore]

whitesharks are why i lost my best run

i got stunlocked by two of them and then sent to hell

i was even running fire damage!

[fallen escarp]

They transfer damage taken to the targets they're healing.

What this means on any serious run is that you insta kill them and everyone they're healing at the same time.

[deep ore]

yeah saucers are way harder to deal with in r8 lol

[lucid verge]

I was playing Bird when I got that far so I was still in i-frames when they did from being able to leap right after

That's how I got past them lol

I'll tackle R9 again once I'm done with the achievement hunting, I only got 6 left

[valid zephyr]

Better hope that the "Crab buffet" isnt amongst those 6 achievements

[lucid verge]

it is

[valid zephyr]

that one took forever for me but I managed to get it in a random R1 with a newer player

wasnt even going for it in the run. just happened. did not get the crab event either

[lucid verge]

My prayers to RNGsus have yet to yield me anything

Figures that the only time I do get the challenge is with some friends with me not having a fire weapon and not resetting for it

[valid zephyr]

we can run an R1 if ya want

ill let ya kill the crabs if were lucky lol

[lucid verge]

Huh, it can spawn in R1?

[valid zephyr]

thats where i got mine

no event

[lucid verge]

I thought it only spawned in Normal

[valid zephyr]

you can have enough crabs spawn without the event

super rare but it can happen

[lucid verge]

Well alrighty then

I'll be darned

[valid zephyr]

either that or we do normal but then youre just fishing for the event only

also helps if you get the "Curiosity box" effect on the enemies where they summon more of themselves after so many attacks

[lucid verge]

Okie, it would have to be another night, I'm not home to my PC right now

[valid zephyr]

for interdependent fortunes

I wish we could purchase more vault storage with essence. even if it was like 5k essence for 1 slot

[lucid verge]

I don't even bother with the weapon vaults

[valid zephyr]

theyre for show for me

I dont use them. since there is way to many disconnections from games recently

someone will leave then I'll get stuck in a network fluctuation loop and get kicked.

[lucid verge]

That's a bummer

[valid zephyr]

Its only been happening since this last update they did. never happened before

[lucid verge]

It has been a hot minute since I did a L4G here

[valid zephyr]

I like it cause more enemies with More health. meaning more dmg

also gotta buff the enemies as much as possible with health and shield. never nerf them

[lucid verge]

But yeah, The only modifiers I play with is Spiritual link, Mysterious Jokul, and Lone Wolf 4, and every now and then the Ascension Fusion one. I don't deal with the Vault one or any others

[valid zephyr]

Ah I go for max difficulty. since its to easy otherwise

[lucid verge]

The last level frame achievement I have to get is Tigers, which is the character I'm probably weakest with at the moment

Probably just gonna brute force that one with a q build

Actually, I could use Brick

I forgot about them

[elfin laurel]

I did them all on R1 so I'm biased when I say that one was hella easy

[lucid verge]

Nah, I'm choosing the Masochistic route

[lunar vigil]

i learned much later than necessary that r1 is probably easier than nightmare

(at least it feels that way)

[lucid verge]

If I can bear getting Owl's level frame on R8 LW4; I can do anything

[lucid verge]

Oh yeah much easier

The power of blessings

And phantom peddlers ig

[lunar vigil]

the phantom peddler upon giving me enhanced fast loader for the seventh time in a row and then giving me enhanced spirit bible because fuck it we ball

[crystal heart]

[lucid verge]

[crystal heart]

[valid zephyr]

Do it on R9

[lucid verge]

One day when I'm not sick and tired of Owl

Or make anything other than his cards worth using

[cobalt dock]

got it, first try

[rotund plaza]

took 20+ tries for Flowing Light Lei Luo R9 LW4

most common cause of death :

[lucid nova]

nice

a creative build for once :D

[rotund plaza]

I would have gone back to Jet Octopus if it weren't for the fact that I had already successfully soloed four heroes with it.

[glad iris]

Why the glove though?

wait nvm

I thought it was ele share

[rotund plaza]

sadly masterful craftsmanship made it harder to find 208 magazine guns

[rain vale]

I don't get why Qian Sui was reworked, he was perfectly fine... meanwhile the Veteran tree for Ao Bai still exists

[lucid nova]

veteran tree is pretty sad

[reef creek]

Uh, guys?

What

Why is Owl weird

[cobalt dock]

?

[reef creek]

Nothing makes sense to me lmao]

What is this, what is that, what is all of this

What are those symbols

I need a guide, is there a quick one?

[elfin laurel]

Ah yes, the owl experience

Took me quite a few games with the bugger to make sense of him

Someone needs to make a masterclass of this guy

[vestal salmon]

I was legitimately thinking about doing exactly that haha

Make a graduate thesis based on him

[elfin laurel]

LMFAO

[reef creek]

To be fair I don't understand snapturtle either

Got my W, had no idea what I was doing

I just block and dash and punch while having a sword to add big number

[fallen escarp]

Step 1: Tidal Aspis.
Step 2: Repeatedly punch, charge or slam.
Step 3: Begin from step 1 again.

[reef creek]

That is what I did but felt weird

[proven isle]

Wait why does that cost 0

Also can someone tell me if Iron Wing Missle form is even worth it at all

From the games I’ve played using it

It’s just never worth

Bc iron wing cant revive you if he’s stuck in missle form iirc

[fallen escarp]

I assume Enhanced On the House.

[fallen escarp]

He can, he just needs to swap back to Strike Mode first.

[reef creek]

What is the main soul farming method?
Painkiller Cat max Reincarnation?

[fallen escarp]

That's probably one of them.

[prime walrus]

i was wondering why too that explain everything

[prime walrus]

let me tell you this way we was doing r9 4 person run with our friend group and one of our friend just stop even attacking mainy because my iron wing missile form or fire form was basically deleting everything way too fast XD and it was doing it when we barely see enemies because i was just inserting it long range

[proven isle]

Huh interesting — for me I found the iron wing fire mode too slow

[prime walrus]

so i no longer play she on our group because she just make others bored XD

it is slow you need to build it up

[proven isle]

As in build up the attack speed with ascensions ?

[prime walrus]

especially that rocket silo thing is become crazy later on

[fallen escarp]

Shoulder Cannon Upgrade.

That's the important one.

[prime walrus]

that become crazy

[fallen escarp]

A barrage of many missiles on your command.

[prime walrus]

and you can especially early on force trigger it with ulti

[fallen escarp]

You can do up to 3 barrages on command at once.

[prime walrus]

also i had armoed caster as well that one is just crazy good

armored caster = easy 400-500% bonus skill damage. Way better than skill freak or whatever it called that give you 200 or 300 depend

[proven isle]

I love Nona since she’s so braindead but also— that’s usually the issue

[fallen escarp]

Armed Caster is additive. Skill Freak is multiplicative.

[lunar bridge]

no lmao.
armed caster is additive, stacking with other additive boosts.
skill freak is multiplicative.

[prime walrus]

so if you can get both 😄

[fallen escarp]

If you have like... +300% from other sources, Skill Freak is the equivalent of another +500%.

If you have +700%, it'll be equivalent to +1000%.

[prime walrus]

So Pair of Us, Skill Freak, Armoed Core is amazing extra to Fire Coverage

Hmm probably best combine is Fire Coverage + Pair of Us + Skill Freak is

but also i wonder iron wing effected from Skill freak as well

it does get damage from hardwood missile but i think it's attack wont considered as second skill usage for skill freak

[fallen escarp]

I dunno, the game can get kinda funky with what it considers as valid.

Like how it considers an Acidominance 3 corrosion explosion as a corrosive grenade, which would also receive Skill Freak's bonus.

[lunar bridge]

i would assume all attacks that comes from iron wing fire mode would be considered as secondary skill.

which would mean skill freak is usable.

[reef creek]

Okay, Owl good

[rotund plaza]

me vs 3 Shielding Sharks + 3 Shielding Lobsters

[lunar vigil]

i like how the chat for the last few days is just owl slander/praise

[reef creek]

I had no idea what was going on and died very soon.

Then I decided to watch veedotme's video on him. Understanding what the hell was going on in his scroll menu made everything else more palatable

and I got op reroll blessing, I think that is just way overtuned tbh

I also went for the frame on my first owl W, which was very easy with purples

I wanna play owl again but going all out card shenanigans, like fuck same color stuff

[acoustic whale]

Is it just me or does argus just say "nope" to any monster that tries to test the user wielding it?

[proven isle]

Deserved— with that essay of text

[jade quartz]

Anyone got some tips for the turtle? Been tryin him yesterday but I can't wrap my head around what he does

I usually went with punchy build since it feels like he has poor weapon damage

[acoustic whale]

For me, I just use bubble and punch everything

[jade quartz]

Heheh yus yus yus

[acoustic whale]

What scrolls did you grab?

I was almost one tapping everything I punched

[jade quartz]

I think eventually I got around to one punching with movement scrolls and ascensions (abnormal speed + his ridiculously high shield was pretty neat~)

But like i ran outta punches a lot

[fallen escarp]

You either punch everything, dash into everything, or slam everything.

All builds use the Tidal Aspis.

[acoustic whale]

Exactly

Bible, dash, punch

Bible is my favorite part aside from the punch

[fallen escarp]

Technically you can fire your weapon, but it's not as supported as just using your skills, and even outright penalizes you with one ascension.

[jade quartz]

I see I see I see

[acoustic whale]

Weapon? There is no weapon! Only bible and punch!!!

[jade quartz]

That makes muuuuch more sense

[acoustic whale]

Unless we talking about argus 🤣

[fallen escarp]

You still use your skill instead of your weapon, even with Argus.

Because slamming can do weapon damage based on what you're holding.

[acoustic whale]

Exactly

And argus also feels like a punch at the same time 🤣

Anyways I must go back to suffering. Trying to win nightmare with tao and it's feeling impossible(I've done it with all the other characters)

[acoustic whale]

Like she just feels like a very bad character to play

[fallen escarp]

Her start is poor but her synergies are strong.

Get enough of the right ascensions and she'll tear everything apart.

[acoustic whale]

That's the issue

The ascensions I go for just doesn't seem to pop up

I'm not giving up tho

@fallen escarp is flesh and bones good or not at all?

[fallen escarp]

Greatly depends on what other stuff you have.

If you have a hero, ascensions, scrolls and blessings that give you more HP recovery or are HP dependent, it's great!

If you have a bunch of shield recovery or no HP recovery though, it sucks.

[acoustic whale]

So does shock effect blue shield or what? Because I'm throwing full clips into these mobs with blue shield and it's like it's barely affecting them

I'ma go take a break and drink some water, if there's not one thing it's another with this character...

[fallen escarp]

Lightning damage is more effective against the blue health bars (Shield), yes.

However there is way more to how effective an attack is than just the element you're using.

For example, a lightning weapon could do pathetic damage to shields while a fire weapon does way better, simply because the fire weapon is much higher level and the weapon itself is designed for higher DPS.

[tawdry sun]

The most venomous aura.

[cobalt dock]

perfect rolled

+1 projectiles i guess but great

the only weapon that would ever have “value” would be a perfect Spirit Argus

[reef creek]

I never find perfect weapons soon enough

I usually take whatever is decent on world 2

[acoustic whale]

Exactly same with me lol

[pearl garden]

The above could be the product of arsenal cheesing.

There's times where I've found some spicy rolls for Act 1/2 drops tho. Just depends. Unfortunately that also means less inscriptions to work with.

[reef creek]

Spicy, yes

Perfect, hardly

[tawdry sun]

Depends. I wanted consistent high combustion damage.
How does combustion interact with multiple projectiles? Does combustion take into effect every projectile that would cause it? Or is it subject to combustion cooldown?
I'd upgrade it if +1 doubles combustion as well.

[fallen escarp]

Subject to the cooldown.

[acoustic whale]

I need guidance please

Wild hunt, golden bow, and argus

These my only options and I'm in the desert...

[fallen escarp]

If each projectile worked if the cooldown wasn't active, shotguns wouldn't suck with Combustion.

[fallen escarp]

Like 95% of the choices in this game, it depends.

[acoustic whale]

Rip, should I take off deflection shield then?

I'm in the desert

[fallen escarp]

Again, it depends.

[acoustic whale]

I'm probably gonna take it off since those beefcake lizards like to charge me

[fallen escarp]

Many things influence your decisions. Hero being played as, intended build, current scrolls, current ascensions, current weapon and its inscriptions, the weapons on offer and their inscriptions, the list goes on.

[acoustic whale]

Ah dang so I just gotta wing it...

Im playing tao since she's the only one I haven't beaten nightmare with and uhh... the run just kept throwing shotguns at me

Okay I went with argus, ngl it's saving me

[zealous night]

are there still new players in this game or is most of the community high lvl ?

[fallen escarp]

Most of the people here would be high level.

[zealous night]

so waiting to find a group on lvl 12 wont make much sense then ,good to know ^^

[acoustic whale]

Curious question what level should a weapon be in your arsenal by the time you reach desert? Or is that too random?

[acoustic whale]

You're friends aren't online?

[fallen escarp]

Technically you don't need to upgrade their level at all and you can still do well. Many people don't upgrade Longling Tombs weapons when on high difficulty to save copper on better weapons.

[acoustic whale]

Are desert weapons worth upgrading?

[fallen escarp]

Usually, yep.

[acoustic whale]

Google told me spore weapons are great for tao

[fallen escarp]

Of course, if you have excess copper gains or think you need extra damage for the upcoming battles, you can still upgrade.

[acoustic whale]

Everything feels like super tanks to me so I'm always broke 🤣

[tawdry sun]

Yeah, this Aura of Venom is kinda silly.
9bil damage since I picked it up at the end of act 3, no grinding. 90mil highest hit.

[reef creek]

How do you even get exactly 90,000,000

[tawdry sun]

10,000,000 is typically the damage cap.
Elemental advantage bypasses that (+50% vs health/armor because fire/corrosion) -> 15,000,000
Combustion bypasses damage cap, +200% damage -> 45,000,000
I got Crown Prince ascension that doubles combustion damage -> 90,000,000

[valid zephyr]

10 mil is skill dmg cap with no elements

weapons have no dmg cap if theres no elements

[glad iris]

normal weapon dmg cap is 10mil.

[clear edge]

what are some fun viable multiplayer r8/9 builds to try for each character?
Cat - Trying to get Combustion Sword to work but the times i ran it i just didnt get pyro 3 so might try again
Dog - Dual wield things popped off etc, I know all his other blessings work
Bird - Leap / Shotgun is the only ways to play this in MP?
Tiger - Brick, T&G are the ones i tried and both are pretty fun
Tao - I know Rof stuff works (Spores/Demonlore) Nades work too I just can't get Swords out to work with/without Ice Blades (it just doesnt seem to do enough damage)
Turtle - Honestly I'm really not sure how to play him after the tweaks
Monkey - First Strike/Dimension Blessing Cudgel is fun, Want to try nade pistol and maybe? a gun build but not sure what i want from that yet.
Fox - Primary works, Meteor works, Energy works, iono if theres something else
Owl - Everything works but needs time to scale
Nona - Primary/Secondary were fun, even pistol star ring was fun so iono if there's any other quirky build i can do.

[valid zephyr]

explain to me how i have 305 mil on monkey then

[glad iris]

Was you using argus with spirit inscription?

[valid zephyr]

of course

[glad iris]

There's your answer.

[valid zephyr]

still its 1 hit

but even 90 mil is passable on tiger

I got a 99,998,726 single hit on tiger with a Golden bow

[glad iris]

Was it an elemental bow?

[valid zephyr]

no

[glad iris]

Was you playing solo?

[valid zephyr]

no

i dont play solo

its boring

got it with @fringe crystal awhile back with some randoms

before transcendental arsenal and all the new bizzare dreams were released

[glad iris]

Well, normal weapon dmg cap is 10mil, anything beyond that other stuff is playing a role.

[fringe crystal]

waw

i was just thinking of playing gunfire!

how ironic

[valid zephyr]

You havent been on in so long

i have 47 mil single hit + on every character

so

[fringe crystal]

what the fuck

how many hours do u have

[glad iris]

That doesn't change that the cap is 10mil.

As I said, anything beyond that other stuff is playing a role.

[valid zephyr]

its all weapons btw

no skill dmg with the 47 mil +

[fallen escarp]

Spirit Argus accumulates all hits in the last shot into a single true DMG hit, by the way.

So if you did 13 hits for 10 million damage each, the inscription will deal 130 million damage.

[acoustic whale]

For arms dealer does it help me or not since my minigun gain it's ammo back on miss?

[fallen escarp]

If you're still consuming the ammo then recovering it later, it counts.

[acoustic whale]

I can now relax from playing tao, she's not bad as you said but I really dislike playing her in temple-desert

Whole time playing her it felt like if I didn't have either certain weapons or right ascension, it became an auto restart

[deep ore]

ohh...

i think i understand this

well

kind of

why does everyone go with rares?

commons have so much more synergy potential

[fallen escarp]

They upgrade to legendary when it comes to astroaspects.

And are significantly more common than actual legendary.

[deep ore]

does that... like... do much though?

[fallen escarp]

It's the difference between +120% card damage and +160% card damage, as only one example.

[deep ore]

does it outweigh all the utility and links that commons give? cause a lot of spiritual links can basically only activate with commons

idk

i guess ill try it

[fallen escarp]

For all examples:
• Under Control 3: Difference between +2 cards and +3 cards.
• Lucky Day: Difference between +15% weapon/skill DMG and +20%.
• Perfect Deck: Difference between +120/240/360% card base DMG and +160/320/480%.
• Arcane Shot: Difference between +1/1/1.5% weapon DMG and +1/1.5/2%.
• Last Star: Probably the only one which you want Normal scrolls, because the rare astroaspect bonus is way better at level 3.

[deep ore]

perfect

absolutely wonderful

i get all the way to the fjord after trying this just once

and hwat happens?

the game LAGS and i DIE

WHY

a god damn LOBSTER spawned and caused the game to FREEZE

because they still haven't FIXED that bug

[reef creek]

What

[deep ore]

where the game freezes but records everything htat happens!!!

[small ledge]

Ah, a devil of a bug indeed

I find it easiest to just mash backpedaling when that happens

[deep ore]

it was just long enough that by the time i realized what was about to happen i had already died

is persistence a trap

its really hard to discern whether it's actually a good thing or not

[fallen escarp]

It's only a trap if you don't care about getting pure astrohouses.

[deep ore]

it's finally over

[deep ore]

turns out that the upgrade is relative to other scrolls you're carrying

commons do it too if you have no rares

[fallen escarp]

Hold on a minute...

Each of those have 2 upgrade attempts applied to them.

You've got 19 ascensions, which gets you 38 upgrades.

But only 19 scrolls are upgraded.

Interesting. They boost themselves twice to reach legendary quality.

Hold on a minute...

Well this is a fucking lie.

Image 1: 2 upgrades, no scrolls.
Image 2: Rare and normal scroll. 1 upgrade turns rare to legendary, 1 upgrade turns normal to rare.
Image 3: Normal scroll. 2 upgrades turns normal to legendary.

[deep ore]

that's neat

[fallen escarp]

It's also a translation issue.

[deep ore]

okay

does the destiny's choice achievement only count natural rolled legendary astrohouses

cause i just did a spiritual assault run where i used legendary grade astrhouses constantly and i made zero progress

[fallen escarp]

spiritual assault

[deep ore]

eh? for real?

i didn't know SA disabled achievements

I'd already 100%'d it when SA came out!

[fallen escarp]

If it didn't, you'd think it would be piss-easy to get achievements like "kill 5 enemies in a single Leap 50 times".

[deep ore]

i guess so

man

zi xiao's frame is as rare as the achievement for getting every basegame achievement

it absolutely is the most brutal level frame challenge of them all

well, nowadays. I imagine pre-TnG buff lei was also pretty rough to do his frame with

[fallen escarp]

Not really. Was way harder for the average player to do Cat's frame.

Mainly because they needed to know how to keep an enemy frozen.

[deep ore]

on the other hand, that's really only a knowledge check

once you know the trick it's very easy to pull off

whereas finishing zi xiao's requires a very complete understanding of the character's mechanics writ large plus a healthy dose of luck to pull off

...probably. i guess if you run r1 it'd be pretty easy but where's the glory fun in that

[cobalt dock]

i just took the first scroll that appeared and then remember the challenge

[rotund plaza]

I unintentionally unlocked cat frame on R8 by freeze locking 5 Elite Arsonists to death.

[cobalt dock]

seems more accidental with how many there are nowadays

should try that again, never got that one either

[nimble flint]

Same

[prime walrus]

how is this combo?

[nimble flint]

Nothing happens

They dont have a shield or armor anymore

Big HP but if you thought it would tick down , that wont happen

[prime walrus]

exactly

so first one kind of prevent other one XD

[acoustic whale]

what difficulty is your guys favorite?

[lofty bay]

Nightmare

[acoustic whale]

i wonder... who in the game is great with swords?

[lucid nova]

U fr???????

[lucid nova]

Crownprice

[reef creek]

Finally reached single hit damage cap

It was to be expected, playing cleave bird

I killed literally 0 enemies without Cleave

plus enhanced sucker punch on the first peddler

The achievement frame was handled to me

[acoustic whale]

Them dark faced bandits man...

[fallen escarp]

It's the hardest difficulty.

Sure you die quickly in R9, but you can also slaughter everything in 1 hit.

Nightmare doesn't get such luxuries.

[reef creek]

I have literally one win with the owl and the frame, what you talking about lmao

It was semi accidental. I got the reroll blessing on the first guy and decided it would be fun/easy to go all purple and get easy-ish astrohouse legendary all the time late game.

All it took was dying > watching a youtube small guide > win + frame

[lucid nova]

Fair enough, does limit the amount of builds you can make tho

[acoustic whale]

My favorite difficulty is nightmare because of how intense it is for me personally and how easy it is to one tap everything

[acoustic whale]

What's the hardest difficulty? Nightmare or R9?

[deep ore]

watching a guide does count as understanding the character lmao

He's so mechanic heavy that you're just going to flounder if you don't get it digested for you

[deep ore]

Poisonous Ghost is practically made for him even though it predates him by a year at least lmao

Pie is also correct that prince is very good with, in particular, fire tower

Tao with poisonous ghost (aka the canon load out) is also fun if it activates but I wouldn't call her good

[acoustic whale]

What about birb?

[deep ore]

He's OK I suppose

[acoustic whale]

I don't like tao with swords

What's he best with? His ascension seems melee oriented

[deep ore]

ehhhhhhhh

Most of his ascensions are more attuned to shotguns

Probably PG as well thanks to the weapon skill

Flowing Light is kind of… weird

[acoustic whale]

Pg?

[deep ore]

there are occasions where flowing light is cracked but I don't really use it enough to find out, I find most of the lightning weapons to be somewhat underwhelming

[deep ore]

poisonous ghost

the katana

[deep ore]

lightning is such a weird element. It feels like it's supposed to be the "raw damage" element but fire is both more generally applicable in bonuses and Combustion is a far better damage multiplier than anything Lightning can access

[proud shale]

Nightmare

[acoustic whale]

You sure? Lightning blast seems pretty cracked

[acoustic whale]

Wait fr?! Why does it feel so easy?

[deep ore]

Both of its fusions are not within that "raw damage" ethos (Miasma being a DoT and Manipulation being pure utility), and a lot of the weapons rely more on gimmicks to be effective rather than having inherent consistent damage output (Star Devourer, Thunder Storm, Tclaps)

arc light and pupil are basically the exceptions to that

Both of those weapons are crazy good

[acoustic whale]

What are the weapons meant for just eating through monsters? Argus?

[deep ore]

Rainbow is consistently and forever S tier

As are most of the launchers these days

[acoustic whale]

How come? Only weapon I haven't touched yet

[deep ore]

Aiming is overrated

Also spores

[acoustic whale]

Oh! Btw what's your thoughts on blessing in disguise

[acoustic whale]

It is?

[deep ore]

hmmm

[acoustic whale]

I love spores on auto weapons more than single shots tbh

[deep ore]

I haven't experimented enough with BiD to really have an opinion on it

I feel like the few times I have tried it it's been useful

Being able to capitalize on good ascension RnG giving you two good options is certainly nice

I think if you focus on obtaining goblet refreshes it can be pretty useful

[deep ore]

Spore rainbow is basically the meta

[acoustic whale]

Wait fr?!

[deep ore]

It's autoaim and high rof means you proc very reliably and quickly

[acoustic whale]

Rainbow always feel so weak for me

[deep ore]

Pair it with an Argus and it turns into a monster

[proud shale]

Harder ≠ hard

[acoustic whale]

I just don't see how it's harder than R9 though

Brb I'ma scroll up and reread

How fast can you get a build to one hit everything though

For r9

[lofty bay]

Yes

[fallen escarp]

Instantly, if you know what to pick.

Well, virtually instantly, since enemies that can't attack and take HP% damage are as good as dead.

[lucid nova]

Its true that nightmare is the hardest

Although when im playing im mostly trying to get the biggest numbers possible in weird ways

[reef creek]

Fair, I concede

[acoustic whale]

can't you make one hit builds in nightmare though?

[fallen escarp]

Not nearly as easily.

Reincarnation lets you immediately start a run with an extremely powerful bonus, or 2 if you enable an optional extra.

[reef creek]

I can only achieve one-hit builds on nightmare every so often

Like 1 out of 6 runs at best

That is when I reach Jokul lmao

Nightmare breaks me still

Granted, I haven't played nightmare in a long time. I might do better now

[acoustic whale]

It breaks you?

[acoustic whale]

What mode do you play?

[reef creek]

R9

[acoustic whale]

Lol dang it's really that much easier?

[reef creek]

Not "that much", it's easier but it's different

You get way too strong at some point

[acoustic whale]

Seriously?

[reef creek]

But random bullshit kills you

[acoustic whale]

I just spam nightmare a lot 🤣

[acoustic whale]

How random are we talking?

[reef creek]

You play solo?

[acoustic whale]

Yea, I don't have friends

[reef creek]

Elite Gathering shenanigans, mostly.
Special condition Wind God, Boat and Hydra can be a bit troublesome

Some random combination of enemy effects can be tough too

[acoustic whale]

Oh yikes...

[acoustic whale]

I apologize, y'all were completely right, I'm on desert and all I'm doing is holding W while shooting

[reef creek]

Don't think all Reincarnation levels are equal, they're not.
R1 through R6, maybe are way too easy. Then it picks up pace

[fallen escarp]

Though realistically the only pace that picks up is how quickly enemies smash you in act 1 and 2.

[acoustic whale]

But I'm on r9

But the game gives a clear indication to players that it gets harder each level you go up right?

[reef creek]

That is consensus, ain't no challenge after that except elite gathering jumpscare

[acoustic whale]

Which elite do you dislike the most?

[reef creek]

Something is off.
You sounded like you never played Reincarnation and now you're on R9 already?

[reef creek]

There is only one Elite Gathering jumpscare and you should know which one by now, since you're playing R9

[acoustic whale]

No I don't mean that I mean which elite monster you dislike the most

Like the arsonist, the lizard, etc.

[fallen escarp]

The popular elites that people dislike are the elite spearman, elite horsehead, elite arsonist or elite mandrill cavalry.

Spearman because you start slow and cannot easily evade their beyblade technique.

Horsehead because the shield and your damage likely sucks at that point. Wastes a lot of people's time.

Arsonist for a similar reason to Spearman, except adding a longer range and decay.

[acoustic whale]

Ah gotcha, yea I would say the one I dislike is arsonist, mainly for the fact half the time i fight em, I dont have the right weapon for him

[fallen escarp]

And mandrill cavalry for being the best enemy that can counter revive spam. Also a painful flamethrower attack.

[acoustic whale]

Do you have a particular one you dislike?

[fallen escarp]

I don't really have one I properly dislike.

Though the one I least enjoy fighting is probably the Elite Beetle.

They're just sorta... there. None of their attacks are much of a threat and they take a lot of damage to kill.

It says something when I turn my attention to the supporting enemies while ignoring the beetle because the support is more of a threat.

[acoustic whale]

Favorite set of guns?

[fallen escarp]

Shotguns.

[acoustic whale]

Same 🤣 my personal favorite is argus and illusion

[glad iris]

I hate fighting Elite Henchman. I just find him annoying to fight.

[fallen escarp]

I find henchman to be better than horsehead.

The shield is smaller, you get environmental advantages to circumvent it, and he actually has offensive power besides "summon other enemies to do stuff for me".

[deep ore]

R5 was actually the hardest barrier to pass for me way back when I started

This was before 1.0 mind, a lot changed since then

[glad iris]

I just hate how janky he is sometimes.

[acoustic whale]

I love your pfp

[red glacier]

yes

seth likes a good challenge

[deep ore]

i hate elite mandrills so god damn much

one is manageable

3 is bullshit

i dont care how open the arena is you're going to get juggled to death

also two fun quirks i learned from this run:

1. dragonchaser can shoot icthyosaur even when it's burrowed so long as it has the pip on it

2. if you have an existing conversion link on a gun and you get an element conversion in a red chest reroll, the gun doesn't actually change elements; it keeps whatever it was converted to

that dragonchaser actually did lightning damage, not fire

im very unhappy with losing considering i was literally on the very last scene of the very last stage with EVERYTHING going for me

but woe

3 elite mandrills

[fallen escarp]

I continue to support the fact that people get mandrill'd, simply because they're practically the only act 4 enemy that poses a threat on Reincarnation.

[deep ore]

they're only a threat because they have the jankiest stunlock mechanic in the game

literally it's just if one passes by you you get stuck in place and thrown around

[fallen escarp]

And a super lethal continuous attack. And they are immune to one-shots, and they run away.

[deep ore]

it's 90% the stunlock

they basically only ever charge so you dont' have to worry about the flamethrower much

the fire trail is scary but not dangerous

and they're manageable once their mount is down

its just that when there's 3 of them it's basically guaranteed that you're gonna get stunned and then you're just straight fuvked

cause there's never not one barreling directly at you from the most obscene direction conceivable

[fallen escarp]

The charge is always used first because it's off cooldown. Enhancements that reduce the cooldown also stack with their own cooldown reduction when it ends early, so if you get a certain enhanced one, they can immediately reuse it again if you make them screw up.

[deep ore]

on r9 the cooldown is instant anyway

so yeah

tehy just barrel at you constantly

or well it might as well be instant

feels like it

[fallen escarp]

That's the non-elite Mandrill with no penguin.

As for getting stunlocked, it is one of the wonderful features of Stagger when applied to players.

[deep ore]

they never list elites... hm. I feel like R9 elites are far stronger than r8 elites

though on the other hand

[fallen escarp]

And I say it's wonderful because it's the only way enemies can beat someone getting revived.

[deep ore]

some of them obviously don't carry the bonuses their normal variants have (e-henchman and e-horsehead don't have the perfect shield for instance)

so i guess maybe it's not that

i mean i could care less if people revive their way through the game

honestly the big problem with the way revives work at the moment is that they kind of HAVE to not have inherent risk or else the function would be utterly useless to begin with

99% of the time if you go down it's not in a place someone can post up and revive you

and you can't move into safe cover

and they can't pull you anywhere

[fallen escarp]

That's only the case because no one bothers with defensive options.

Because no one needs to, as revives are cheap and infinite.

[deep ore]

what defensive options are there when a lot of enemy attacks can shove you out of the revive range

[fallen escarp]

Brief Respite or Windrider give you complete immunity for enough time to revive someone, accessible by anyone and readily usable.

[deep ore]

that

is not going to help if you get knocked out of range

[fallen escarp]

Every hero has defensive ascensions. Birb and Turtle have defensive skills.

[deep ore]

that will save you from damage but there's a talent that makes it impossible to go down while reviving anyway so those don't matter

it's about the knockback not the damage

[fallen escarp]

Oh wait a minute, I missed the part where you said shoving.

Nah, getting knocked around is only a problem because it's the only thing that can actually stop a revive.

It's not that reviving is hard, it's that knockback is the only counter.

[deep ore]

look man i get you have like a massive vendetta over people not being forced to not play the game because they were out of position for 0,25 seconds but co op is unbalanced enough as it is and given how brutally punishing it can be to go down on a stage with no peddler i would MUCH rather that people have the chance to get up and get that bread than the game being made marginally more difficult at the cost of permanently hampering players' ability to play the game over minor mistakes

frankly if you go down and out on a stage without a peddler you might as well just quit because you're literally never going to keep up with the rest of the group at that point

you miss out on at least one scroll and one ascension, and if you're really really unlucky you can miss out on two or even three ascensions

you're dead weight

[fallen escarp]

All part of the overall problem as to why Elite Mandrill Cavalry is the only act 4 threat.

[deep ore]

eh

outside of r9 i found the standard penguins to be scarier

probably because outside of r9 you only usually encounter one e-mandril

one e-mandrill isn't really scary at all if you don't get clubbed by lu wu

it's multiple where it gets out of hand

[fallen escarp]

Interesting you should say that. Elite Mandrill Cavary was given a cap of how many can spawn at once ages ago.

The cap is 3.

Because people complained they got flame-grilled and tenderized by too many of them.

[deep ore]

hoenstly i'd support it being brought to 2 in R9 to compensate for the lack of charge cooldown

2 is still pretty rough

but at least you can like

mentally map where 2 of them are

[fallen escarp]

Charge cooldown is, again, a result of enhancements. This in turn is because of Mysterious Jokul bizarre dream.

[deep ore]

oh fair

hmm

i think what's wilder is that they don't seem to be affected by slows

now that i think about it

aw hell naw dey got snow boots on 😱

[fallen escarp]

They definitely are, but no enemy is affected in movement-based attacks.

Such as charging.

[deep ore]

...really? I could swear the likes of coyotes go slower when they're decayed

in their like lunging bites

maybe their animation slows down

but not their movement

[fallen escarp]

Dark-faced Bandit charges and Lu Wu leaps are some examples.

[deep ore]

oh

yknow what i should have done in that situation

[fallen escarp]

In fact, it doesn't even affect any enemy when they jump to a new location.

[deep ore]

this is a lesson that i should really level energy orb more

i always forget about orb

at least get chained duration

you never know when you really need to put a stop to some nonsense

that said i'd also be afraid since idk if mandrills work like lu wu where their animations get horribly desynced if you orb them in the middle of a charge animation

i should probably actually report that since idk if anyone else has

[fallen escarp]

If they're like Dark-faced Bandits, they are immune to Freeze while charging.

[deep ore]

wonderful

[fallen escarp]

Never checked, personally.

[deep ore]

hopefully they're not

ah, prince

so many layers

i still contend that he probably remains the character with the most skill expression available just down to the fact that his kit is mostly CC in a game where death is the usual method of CC

there's just so much you can do with him

especially with all the extra modes

we stan

[lunar vigil]

i had an r9 run where the final challenge before bear was literally just 7(?) mandrill elites

so that was interesting

[pearl garden]

It's all fun and games until the unmounted mandrill gives the 😏 look and cooks your ass well done

Is it gonna run away? Or cook you alive. Nobody knows.

[reef creek]

I had one fun moment on R9 where I did my best to burst the jumpscare portion away, let them penguims run so I could focus on the snipers only to find out they summon their mount back and proceeded to jumpscare me to death

No one told me they could summon their mounts back and I blame all of you for that

[pearl garden]

Hey CrystalEdge they can summon their mounts back

Just letting you know 💛

[acoustic whale]

@fallen escarp isn't turtle great at reviving?

Never played coop since I have no friends thats why I'm asking. Like could you just pop bubble and resurrect them?

[nimble flint]

Shield only protects frontal

side or back or ground or above is still open

the amount of people thinking they are invincible while the shield is up only to be killed by a fire trap is way too high

And technically Nona is the best
As BT can aggro enemies , making the revive safe

4 Nonas is basically 8 players

[acoustic whale]

well true, but i doubt a player is gonna position them in one of those said spots for a revive with the shield up right?

[fallen escarp]

You underestimate people's ability to not think.

Especially when they think they're completely safe because reviving someone makes you deathproof.

[acoustic whale]

bro, are players really like that?

[fallen escarp]

Seen one of those victory screens where everyone has 30+ downs yet?

[rotund plaza]

Do not underestimate casual players, especially when surrounded by elites.

[acoustic whale]

i don't have friends 😦

[rotund plaza]

often have my teammates stuck in revive loop in elite vault, leaving at 1 hp just to be killed 0.1 sec after reviving each others.

[acoustic whale]

wtf...

[rotund plaza]

yeah

that's common multiplayer experience

[acoustic whale]

common multiplayer experience? like random matchmaking?

because i doubt the gigachads here fall down that much

[rotund plaza]

both matchmaking and teamplay

in my case, I have 3 groups of friends who play GFRB

all of them are good at FPS gaming, can do good builds

but often overwhelmed by monsters

of course Reincarnation 9 + all available Bizarre Dream options

[acoustic whale]

is it due to the scaling with the mobs?

[rotund plaza]

in some case, yes

[acoustic whale]

this suprises me, i figured a full 4 stack would just curbstomp everything

[rotund plaza]

that's when someone decided to go easy mode with Nona

other than that, revive loop

[fallen escarp]

They do, but through the sheer power of not staying dead.

Player revives are extremely powerful compared to soul revives.

Mainly because they're infinite.

[rotund plaza]

unless someone decided to repeatedly die at the other edge of the map

[acoustic whale]

mbad for doubting, just played my first multiplayer match, teammaters went down at least 8 times, i didn't go down since i was turtle bubble spamming, and another teammate died for going ahead of the team

[rotund plaza]

you'll find that problem common as I said

[acoustic whale]

we were on the last act tho, idk how they kept going down

[rotund plaza]

bad positioning, not enough DPS

[acoustic whale]

Is it harder to get high dps in multiplayer?

[deep ore]

very

At least on an individual level

Generally in MP one person absolutely runs away and roflstomps everything while the others just kinda follow along

it's why I mostly play solo lmao I'm just more likely to actually play the game

Maingame just isn't really conducive to jolly cooperation

If you want a good coop experience you go play Spiritual Assault instead

[reef creek]

Your pfp reminds me of something

Is it Monster Sanctuary?

[acoustic whale]

Heheh, CATZERKER!!!!!

[acoustic whale]

Sorry, I love that game so much, especially that character. Yes it is monster sanctuary, my most favorite game of all time

[reef creek]

I'm a noob, barely beat all bosses with 5☆.
I like spiderlich and the furrybait bleed, fun game

[proud fable]

Don’t worry, I’m an even bigger noob

I waste my brain power, and just want damage back to back, only for me to not dodge enemy fire and die because I lost shield with half my HP down.

which is why theres always hiding behind a rock and pray shield comes back 👍

[acoustic whale]

Catzerker, minotaur, and caraglow. Try it ^_^

Or... goblin squad

Anyways, back to gunfire reborn for me ^_^

[rough hollow]

I just had an insane leap run, I got 1.9 billion damage on r1

[acoustic whale]

good work! climbing to r9?

[rough hollow]

I've tried r9 runs with leap but not gotten anything good so far, dont believe I've gotten any runs to the second area

I'm at r9 in general, just doing random runs

[acoustic whale]

ohh okay

[rough hollow]

ye, I've got over 500 hours in gunfire so it'd be a little sad if I werent at r9

[acoustic whale]

hey i aint gonna judge, could just assume that you spam spiritual assault lol

[rough hollow]

thats fair

though I dont think owl would be as busted in spiritual assault as in base game

he might be but I dont think so

[acoustic whale]

who knows lol

only two ways to find out

[rough hollow]

ye

[fallen escarp]

His cards can track everything in a close radius around him, and there's a jade which recovers secondary uses on kill.

[acoustic whale]

bro Altanna is awesome

[rough hollow]

didnt know about that jade, that would work

[fallen escarp]

I'd imagine you could just spam cards and run around killing everything within your instant death radius.

[rough hollow]

yeah, I dont really do spirituial assault so I dont know much about the jades

[acoustic whale]

altanna is it possible to unlock brick without dlc?

[fallen escarp]

No. You can temporarily get one if you play with someone else who has the DLC, and they drop or share one.

[acoustic whale]

ohh gotcha

[rough hollow]

that would function as a replacement for endless assault

but yeah, I only had two useless ascensions the entire run, so I had absolutely insane damage numbers

[acoustic whale]

What is your favorite reincarnation level and why?

[rough hollow]

probably 1 cause its the easiest so you can have the most fun with builds, though I do enjoy r9 owl when it works

[acoustic whale]

ohh okay

[rough hollow]

ye

[acoustic whale]

im in the same boat there

i did r1 with tiger yesterday and it was hilarious

woodpecker FTW

[rough hollow]

woodpecker is fun

I still need to do my dual woodpecker run...

[rotund plaza]

still on the way to solo all characters in R9 LWP4 + all Bizarre Dream

now doing Qian Sui

[reef creek]

Let me raise y'all a question

Is Nona overtuned?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[reef creek]

It did feel very overtuned, wth

Also I feel like now I am really understanding how to build characters since this is my first time running bird on assault

I just knew what would be good, feels nice

I expected it to be easy and it was

[rough hollow]

well, bird leap can get super strong, I had 3 useless ascensions and it was still so broken

[fallen escarp]

All or Nothing is Birb's most powerful, and probably his only "good" build when you look at one-shotting everything.

Unless you do Cleave with Lone Wolf 4 active.

[rough hollow]

And it gets even more busted when combined with oppressor

Though having enhanced dual edge from the start of the second act doesn't hurt

[fallen escarp]

Hmm... thinking about it, if you're doing an All or Nothing build you're probably better off picking Armed Caster instead of Oppressor.

A sniper with 4.0x base CritX would, with talents, get you +237.5% skill damage. Doesn't even include the highest CritX sniper, scrolls, inscriptions and, in particular, the CritX share gemini.

That's over double what Oppressor can get you when it starts off. Most max Shield/Armor bonuses aren't exactly common or powerful either, and taking HP damage for that effect is unreliable and suicidal.

[rough hollow]

I take ultimate gambler for my lone wolf perk, and then all or nothing for the first spiritual blessing, from there it's just chance, I have gotten a run with both oppressor and armed caster, and they are both great, it's just what luck you have scroll wise and with blessings

But it is a bit easier to get high armor with bird as the iron scud ascension boosts his armor after a leap, by up to 100% I believe at third level

[lucid nova]

trying to get that onehit dmg high but its so hard

[cobalt dock]

that ain’t Argus

[lucid nova]

here's the thing, when im looking for a spirit argus i cant find it and when i get one my build sucks

[cobalt dock]

there is this little thing called ”Arsenal”

[lucid nova]

righto kinda forgot about that whole thingy

might just do a run just to get the perfect argus setup for my ultra dmg run

[lucid nova]

i like enhanced scrolls :D

I REALLY like enhanced scrolls

[hollow beacon]

quick question - for the owl , i just had a great run, but why did my astrohouse / falling star / Q had only 3 slots , i saw others have 4-7 or somethinfg

[lucid nova]

there is an ascension to increase it

now just time to find an argus :D

this game is so much fun when you have knowledge about everything :D

[hollow beacon]

lol i must have missed reading it, is it even useful tho ? I think going for cards is 1000% the play

[lucid nova]

cards is stronger for sure yeah

but it isnt always about what is the strongest, fun is also important

but if you are going for a primary skill build its good for sure

this is the one that increases it

and its very very strong since it basicly increases the chance of a legendary astrohouse wich is really strong

[hollow beacon]

falling start aint fun 😦 card go pew pew not only looks better , i got the card storm buff which basically gives me 2 cards per sec at lesat , cant wait to try it out on spiritual assault

[lucid nova]

cards is fun yeah, although for me it gets kinda boring after everything is getting onehit for 5 runs in a row

[hollow beacon]

Last game one of my cards was doing 15-30k dmg, and falling start legendary like a few thousand so idk

[lucid nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055550986292297838/1115330419429216416/Gunfire_Reborn_2023.06.05_-_19.22.57.08.DVR_Trim.mp4

cool clip of a primary build ig

[hollow beacon]

so many buffs wtf, is that how it is on higher difficulties.. i just wanna run nightmare rn

man i was gone for 1 minute and 2 people joined my party and then left

after i was searching for 30 minutes, ffs

whats that luck

[lucid nova]

oh yea, before reincarnation difficulties primary builds are pretty dissapointing

if you want i can play in a bit

[hollow beacon]

sure ill wait for u

i played 2 games and failed, i dont understand how its x3 times harder.. although tbf i wass doing better than my teammates lol

like i be out of bullets on stage 1 lol

[lucid nova]

im in team 2 vc :D

[lucid nova]

scrolls

[reef creek]

alright, quick question about arsenal

If I store stuff, is it always stored or do I lose if I take it?

Never used it, seems to defeat the entire "rogue" part of this roguelite game

But it's fun when I'm done with the game and just want to test the extreme builds

[lucid nova]

its like a bank

you can take stuff out but once its out and you die its gone

[rotund plaza]

Tiger Cannon still kicks asses

[cobalt dock]

the 1 mag gemini brought it back

[rotund plaza]

I did either 1 mag or 209 mags

both rocks

[reef creek]

I only recently played 1mag, with Nona

Those pistols be firing fast af with 1 mag

Also, I have a question for Turtle enjoyers

Why?

His frame is the only one I have left and I feel not enticed to play shield and punch and dash and punch and shield

[nimble flint]

you can get his frame literally 0-1

not even in the tomb , at the waterfall

its now the easiest frame

[rotund plaza]

carrying my bois

I think I hit the dmg cap. Is it around 14,999,999?

[cobalt dock]

10mil normaly
15mil with correct element