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[sacred tangle]

it was trash even when it was a blessing especially when it was a blessing..

Power of the Ocean is busted, reroll for it in Tomb or grab it on sight, and take Ebb & Flow to gain ridiculous shield numbers that make you virtually unkillable

everything else you can make up along the way in between extended bouts of high-speed fisticuffs

simple

[split plinth]

i took it cause a. used it for all my turtle builds that involve fist stacks one way or another and b. got ostrich rider so i didn't really wanna use the dash ascension

dunno if i wanna do another turtle build cause my 3rd run with him was insane

almost got 1.5b dmg but got 1.4 instead

fought gluttony so that was cool

still like pole monarch more

[sacred tangle]

Gluttony's never really been that fun for me tbh

even when the build I get to him with chunks hard

lotta periods of hiding, changing position, waiting for that big succ move of his to end, etc

[split plinth]

pole monarch cooler cause more mechanics and dodging=less pussy

also big fuckin sword

[sacred tangle]

giant bosses in general that have their feet stapled to the floor, slow attacks, and an inflated health pool to compensate are usually a low point of most games anyways, nothing new

[split plinth]

also pole monarch isnt fat

bear 100% works out

[sacred tangle]

bro is jacked

has to be to carry a giant goddamn anime sword

[split plinth]

he practices getting into position then summoning his sword out of nowhere

"oh damn the guys that are going to melt me are getting up here, gotta look cool"

[sacred tangle]

hit em with the

[split plinth]

ah old gameplay

i can tell only cause of the stacks of uhh

forgot what its called but gave lucky shot at max ascension

[sacred tangle]

couldn't tell you what the build was for the life of me now

I know I had something giving guaranteed crit other than Deadly Counter because I don't see it at the bottom of the bar at points

critball spam funny

[red glacier]

oh no

[glad iris]

.

[split plinth]

wat

[small ledge]

good evening, gamers

I bring tidings

and bricks

[split plinth]

Ao bai, brick bearing dog, head smashing throws and bearer of the word "brick"

[small ledge]

you get it

here, have a complimentary brick

[split plinth]

you shouldn't have tossed it

i am dead now

[small ledge]

what have I done?

[split plinth]

you fool you had starlight active

[small ledge]

perhaps my power has made me a monster

Am I but cursed to bonk every traveler I meet on my journey to omnipotence?

[split plinth]

gotta do a dual brick and dual octopus run now

[small ledge]

hell yeah

[zealous socket]

can i get killed by capacity overdraft if i have airbag on

[spark raven]

No

[glad iris]

scrolls that harm you can't kill you

[pearl garden]

They can also proc Deadly Counter if you're a sweaty tryhard 💅

[fallen escarp]

Huh. The recent patch confirmed that Hurtle being referred to as Fierce Charge was not a mistake.

Unbearable Hurtle and the Tidal Aspis's main description no longer refers to it as Hurtle. They too now refer to it as Fierce Charge.

[somber solar]

Do we know why did they decide to officially rename Hurtle?

[fallen escarp]

Nope.

My assumption is because they added more things to make it a proper build, they thought the previous name didn't fit its potential.

[latent atlas]

28.4x CritX radioactive gauntlet

[stuck bane]

GADH DAMN

ngl, this game would be fire in vr

[quasi arrow]

https://github.com/Astienth/gunfire-reborn-bhaptics/releases/tag/1.0.0

[red glacier]

great mod ^

[stuck bane]

ohh damnnn

Thank you so much :)))

[nimble flint]

And in case somebody gets their jimmies rustled and all twisted

This is the only instance of a mod that has permission on the server

As long as no money is involved in any form

This was discussed with the developers and is the only instance due to the nature of this mod. The rules still apply for it and others. It can be shared and the experience can be discussed but topics towards how and such are still under the normal rules

[strange mountain]

wait so its a mod that makes you feel pain?

if so that sounds masochisitic...

[broken brook]

If you die in the game, you die in real life

Seeing the words VR makes me wish you can play Gunfire Reborn in VR. That would be awesome.

I know you can put on a VR Headset then play the game with a viewable screen.

aint the same

[vapid crag]

Mod does give GR the proper VR treatment tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL9V5aDS7_c

[broken brook]

oh damn

can you still play on public servers and does it use player rig to mimik what ever you are doing?

I have so much questions about the mod, but I just want those two answered

[somber solar]

Imagine playing as an anthro chibi-sized furry character, while wishing you were an animal.

This is the mod for you.

now if only i had a vr headset

Just looking at your hands becoming a pair of cute paws, and you're like "nya~"

[mortal trench]

Mods are allowed now?

[quasi arrow]

This one

[mortal trench]

Ok

[quasi arrow]

And there are simply no other mods. Everything else is cheats, and they are obviously prohibited.

[nimble flint]

Not that I wrote a paragraph exactly for that below the link….

[broken brook]

well thats cool how VR is allowed

hopefully it becomes apart of the game instead of a mod

[reef creek]

I've been trying to play with some creative cat builds and I keep getting folded by R9 Jokul Elite Gatherings

So mad

I feel like I'm only allowed to play certain builds at this level

[rotund plaza]

maybe I need to change my name

[lofty needle]

Reincarnation 9 is too easy

(had a very hard time due to some crazy bad RNG)

[fallen escarp]

You can thank the constant buffs we've had for months for that.

[lofty needle]

they should nerf the magician guy into the ground by far the most OP

cant lose if everything dies by sneezing

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

Unfortunately I don't think the devs will.

[lucid nova]

Nerfing him wont change a thing, other dlc chars are atleast OP to a certail level that anyone can win easily

[fallen escarp]

It would be a step forward.

Instead of this constant backpedaling that's been happening.

[lucid nova]

True

[tawdry sun]

Ooo, that's pretty good! Just missing an enhancement.
Would've been even stronger now with the new mag share gemini.

[cobalt dock]

ye, it was 15mil per hit anyways so peak

[reef creek]

What happens when Cat has Corrosion +3? Do they trigger the grenade effect or is it just similar?

[fallen escarp]

It's the grenade effect.

[reef creek]

So with all the grenade perks?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[pine oxide]

how is nona so broken ik she broken but icant tell how because i just did the frist area and i cant tell how she is doing so much dmg

this is what i have so far

• pair of us and overconsumption

[sacred tangle]

[split plinth]

praise be

now I can read turtle and understand what means what

[wheat yoke]

anyone been experiencing performance issues w the latest update? usually i get an extremely smooth, stable 60 fps, w only game stuttering based on bad connection to host or whatever, but today just doing single player runs, when i get to the desert, the game gets really really choppy even tho framerate is stable and my pc can absolutely handle it?

[devout forge]

Just wanted to ask about vorpx in this game, Ik rule 4 might apply and ill delete if thats the case, but Id really like to avoid a MP ban because i wanted to play in vr lol

edit: Non addon version reshade works fine with rtgi, but there is artifacting due to how the game renders effects and player model. Most effects do not emit light, so it doesn't do much anyhow. To future people I hope this helps!

[vapid crag]

highest ive managed so far, i wish i got crown princes pyrodominance just once

[valid zephyr]

With shotguns monkey you can push 100+ mil in a single hit eZ

[vapid crag]

oh ill have to try that then

[reef creek]

How the hell am I supposed to deal with armored elites on the first area again?

[fallen escarp]

Bloody Drill or Penetration Bullet.

Alternatively, spend 6 times as long fighting them normally.

[weak quarry]

I just sigh when I see a horsehead robust elite during my lunch break run and I don't have a piercing weapon
guess that's the rest of my break spent circle strafing

[cursive creek]

me and another dude were talking about this as well

[wheat yoke]

Okay cool good that I'm not losing my mind

[reef creek]

Noticed that as well but thought it was just some weird multiple effects I couldn't see being calculated

Guess not

[pine oxide]

for an owl explosive hand build what are the best accesions and goblets and stuff

[split plinth]

anything card related

[lucid nova]

With what kind of build

[valid zephyr]

Cudgel, only because of game mechanics and how the game determines what 1 hit is

[zealous socket]

I was bouta say why am I out of ammo for gluttony then I accidentally learned how to stop his healing...

[broken pier]

just had a run where every now and then weapons would drop at the level of my highest weapon. this a bug or an undocumented change?

[rotund plaza]

had this too while running with my buddies

[reef creek]

Advanced Depot + this means the bonus damage applies on every shot, right?

[fallen escarp]

Yep, assuming you don't keep your magazine low.

Y'know thinking about it, Magazine Modification is just directly superior to Tiger's Voltage Surge.

Up to +60% crit damage instead of +40%, no penalty to low CritX weapons, and most weapons you'd want to crit with don't have a large enough magazine to care.

[reef creek]

You say that but I was criting with Angelic Aura lmao

got an enhanced one with something like 4x ou 5x, don't remeber

which lead to me finally reaching walking simulator levels on R9 and my first W

On an unrelated note: fuck elite penguins

[fallen escarp]

I say that because Nona prefers pistols and Lei Luo prefers snipers.

[reef creek]

Don't know any characters not named Cat yet. However now I might play the game 🤡

[fallen escarp]

The only weapons from those categories which has higher than 10 magazine are Cloud Weaver and Star Ring.

Red Panda and Tiger.

The 2 heroes with crit ascensions.

[cobalt dock]

but it helps friends 🙂

[quasi arrow]

And the best sniper for Lei is Wild Hunt

[fallen escarp]

You're Nona. The only friend you need to help is Iron Wing.

[kindred vector]

Any build recommendations for tiger?

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[lucid nova]

Good ol t&g for the speedrun

[gloomy hazel]

you wanna play or be afk winning XD

if you want an afk win build around lightning gouvernour

[lucid nova]

Takes to much luck, just go t&g with thunder nemesis

[gloomy hazel]

holy moly variable scrolls is broken XD

look at these enhanced scrolls XD

[wise oasis]

Owl looks high as a kite off all those scrolls

[tacit belfry]

Broke Li

[fallen escarp]

Can't break what's already broken.

[kindred vector]

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[jagged sedge]

is Want Them All for xing zhe any good?

[wise oasis]

sure why not

[thorny solar]

I wanted to use flame tower for energy drain, but instead I found myself using the jet octopus instead.

[lucid nova]

What shit should i pick for a li gun build( ascensions and blessings)

[vapid crag]

if youre using lone wolf i start with counterviolence then something to make early game easier like overconsumption. then work on getting a fire tower or something with high fire and element share it with a fast rof weapon. then grab flame dance in act 2. if youre not doing lone wolf just do counterviolence act 1 then flame dance act 2

i always had fun with it and didnt have a problem with r8

[lucid nova]

Thank

[weak quarry]

maybe voltage surge is better for high crit weapons since it's total crit damage instead of additive

[broken pier]

does fierce charge increase with skill damage?

[gloomy hazel]

what is fierce charge again

[vapid crag]

ex-Hurtle

[gloomy hazel]

i think hurtle at least counted as weapon dmg

[fallen escarp]

They're likely both total damage, because there are very few percentage bonuses to crit damage (and the ones tested are multiplicative with each other).

[reef creek]

Learning a new character is pain

Maybe I shouldn't do it on R7

[fallen escarp]

Has anyone ever seen a Mandrill Cavalry charge at them?

Not the elite versions, the white ones that still have the penguin on them.

[vapid crag]

No, but they usually die before they get the chance.

[reef creek]

Had no idea they could do that

So firefox is cool

Bunny felt hard as fuck

I had no damage at all without decent RoF weapons. I had no ammo at all with high RoF weapons

[fallen escarp]

That's the reason why I'm asking.
Apparently they can, but I've never seen it.

The Snowy Mandrills themselves can when they don't have a penguin rider, I know that for sure. Never seen the cavalry do it though.

[lunar bridge]

wait, they can? all i know is that the mandrills approaches you and then when it stops it lets the penguin does its usual shenanigan at you. :V

[fallen escarp]

Apparently. Unless it's just a translation error. Can't check right now.

[reef creek]

Sniper guy felt a bit lacking

I expected to trigger a lot of lightning with Talisman special attack, considering I had 15x Crit

It didn't 🤡

Which is strange, I was triggering lightning almost every crit with the sniper rifle

[lunar bridge]

did you account for cooldown? cuz I'm pretty sure the ascension has a cooldown.

[fallen escarp]

It's got a cooldown and a cap.

1 second cooldown, cap of 70% chance.

[broken pier]

as a tiger main i can say he can become one of the most bonker characters if you build him right. he carried me to R8 using bloody drill.

[broken pier]

get ice blade and prosper. or a rainbow and argus and do spores

[reef creek]

Had no idea lmao
First time playing tiger, so there is that

[reef creek]

I'm gonna experiment more on him later, but I defo won't be playing spores for a longe ass time

[broken pier]

fair. spores are boring imo

[reef creek]

I overdid Spores when climbing Reincarnation tiers

[broken pier]

so easy to just win with

[reef creek]

7/9 were spores with Painkiller Cat.
2 were crit injectors

[broken pier]

so for bunny the 2 good builds imo that aren't spores are ice blade which is the og busted bunny build before the spores rework, and then thorny bloom

[reef creek]

Someone told me spores are on the lower end of power scale in multiplayer compared to other builds and mentioned, probably hyperbolic, that Tiger would burst the entire room with a shot

I could see that being real with a crit, a million zap jumps and aoe lightning being triggered but I would probably need a billion rerolls to reach that level

I'm gonna try LW4 with gambler in place of the crit blessing

[broken pier]

honestly going sting with lightning messenger and sharing element with a firetower does a ton of work in multiplayer

gives you easy miasma, combustion for room clear. tons of damage and the 3rd shot being aoe is insanely good for him

[split plinth]

tryna do a li run where I get either fire conversion or a fire tower for star ring/jet octopus

currently i am about 4 tries in and 2000 essence down

gotta grind back up cause i was at 9k before

[inland glade]

turtle changes actually feel really good

it's amazing how they can rework the turtle and make him better, but they rework the bird and make him actually the worst thing to play lol

[lucid nova]

Ive seen quite some ppl doing jet octopus on li, whats the secret sauce with it????

[split plinth]

though swords ar nearly unusable on turtle unless you get against the flow or bullet bank with that one ascension

[split plinth]

jet octopus by itself is really damn good

[inland glade]

I kinda like Star Ring on the turtle, because the ring remains even during primary skill

[inland glade]

there's also Advanced Depot for that purpose too

[split plinth]

with li since theres little to no aim required and actual dmg(unlike rainbow) getting fire conversion or an elemental Gemini fire tower with it lets you use energy draining and fire dance

[inland glade]

I usually have Poisonous Ghost and a fire Star Ring sharing element through gemini

my main duo plays the tiger mostly, so I don't have to worry about lightning damage

[split plinth]

dont think it works for fire tower tho cause low reserves

[inland glade]

I don't bother with the Fire Tower anyways

[split plinth]

i like fire tower turtle though idk what the hell i did that run

[inland glade]

Poisonous Ghost is the best sword

[split plinth]

somehow got 43m dmg

as my highest hit

no other character came close

[inland glade]

%HP damage on the wave is huge, and the reworked Fish or Bear Paw only makes that sword even more disgusting

[inland glade]

I think my highest damage in a single attack was like

180 million?

that was on the tiger with like, near absolute max possible CritX and probably around 300% lucky shot chance lol

[split plinth]

dawg i try to replicate it but dont get close

[inland glade]

yeah

[split plinth]

i dont know what i was cooking there

[inland glade]

it's really funny when you get those runs that just spiral out of control like that

[split plinth]

though I lost to elite cavalry

[inland glade]

and you don't know why

[split plinth]

cqc and cavalry dont go well

[inland glade]

I remember I got Enhanced Veteran as one of my first scrolls in a bird run with the owl as my partner, he rerolled something and gave that to me

and by the end of the run I had like, almost 2000 armor

you can imagine how much damage All or Nothing was doing

Paranormality is a fair and balanced scroll

my favorite thing about Paranormality is being able to take Deadly Curse with no downside, and also Airbag still works with it

[lucid nova]

I smell bs, the soft cap is 10mil and with ele it can be 15mil, and with combustion and pyrodominance 3 it can be 45mil but 180 mil on tiger seems pretty unreasonable

If you said nona it could be possible with alot of luck but tiger??? Nah

[inland glade]

if I had to guess it counted all the individual strike wing hits in 1

idk exactly what happened

[lucid nova]

If you can pull up ur profile stats i will belive you

[quasi arrow]

Pyrowhat?

[lucid nova]

ascension fusion from cat

[quasi arrow]

xD

[red glacier]

you can play exactly like how you play normally

it's not like it's a rebuilt version of the game

it's almost like a different set of controls

also wdym by the second question?

[broken brook]

You know in VRChat how there is Desktop mode and VR mode?

Im just asking if itwill be like that

[red glacier]

desktop mode is just the regular game

this just makes it so your view is in VR

the movement is based on your view and arm movements

and ofc a few movement controls

[broken brook]

So if you shoot a gun backwards while looking striaght, will other people see you shoot backwards while the model of whoever you are playing is looking straight?

eh, I dont know how to describe what ever im saying. Im just going to play the mod some day

[red glacier]

never tried that actually

@dawn sand any idea?

[dawn sand]

Yeah so your character is facing where you aim, so if you are looking straight and point your gun behind you, other people perceive that you are looking backwards

And @broken brook is asking if player movements are synced, they are not, so other players won’t see you wave to them, only you know how cool you look and how much more fun playing in VR is, but in game you just look like everyone else haha

[broken brook]

Im fine with that. Still very cool that it is in VR and even have hand models to go with your own.

Thanks for telling me that stuff btw.

[ember cloud]

reincarnation 9 got me fucked up

[lofty bay]

Top ten reasons a flat screen client side mod is fantastic, so the other players can see your movements

[reef creek]

I have a problem

I can only play Painkiller animals

[tropic shale]

anyone done a speed of reincarnation 9?

[red glacier]

sounds like a personal problem

[red glacier]

#speedrun-discussion

[fallen escarp]

Say no more. I can fix this.

Painkiller Update That Will Fix Everything
Old: "When inflicting an elemental effect to the enemy, there is a 100% chance to inflict all elemental effects (CD: 2s). Convert all negative Elemental Effects applied to the hero to bonus with opposite effects."

New: "When inflicting an elemental effect to the enemy, there is a 100% chance to inflict all elemental effects which also spreads to enemies within 12m (CD: 0.5s). +300% Miasma DMG against elite enemies and bosses, and they are no longer immune to Manipulation. Convert all negative Elemental Effects applied to the hero to bonus with opposite effects. -90% DMG Taken from Fire/Lightning/Corrosion DMG."

[lofty bay]

New painkiller: You no longer feel pain and as such cannot die

[lucid nova]

New painkiller: fucking steriods

[reef creek]

That seems par for the course

Just done a couple firefox runs to compensate for the massive souls debt trying to learn Tiger caused me, and now time to suck again

Also why are the tiger's extra talents a reroll thing if you can reroll infinitely again?

[fallen escarp]

In case people want to use the old system where they were only offered 3.

[thorn dawn]

how are you supposed to quickly do the 40x kill lobster with fire thing
since I can't start at a different world nor predict which events contain them, I have to do like 20 runs to world 3 whilst keeping a fire weapon

[red glacier]

you can do the alt f4 glitch

[thorn dawn]

:o tell me more

I presume just save somewhere and launch again?

wait if one alt-f4's midfight does one start at the campfire again still?

[red glacier]

get to act 3, save at the campfire

kill lobsters

alt f4

repeat

[thorn dawn]

does it even work as a midfight recall?

e.g. if one were to die, just alt-f4 and restart at campfire?

[nimble flint]

All the young’uns complaining about 40

old man voice

Back in my day we had to kill 100 of them and there was only Normal and Elite mode

[red glacier]

there it is

[red glacier]

not sure tbh

I've never used the glitch

[red glacier]

i had to do it this way ^ 😭😭

[reef creek]

Okay, Tiger kinda clicked

very weak early game

suddenly every single enemy on screen was dead in a single shot

[lucid nova]

you sure about that

[reef creek]

I felt very weak, although safe most of the time from very far away

Painkiller firefox or cat are golden on room 1

[fallen escarp]

Heh, coming down from the high that is Painkiller to realize that, in fact, the game is not designed so you press 1 button and delete everything instantly... in act 1 anyway.

[reef creek]

Lmao

Fair point

Next I'm gonna try Bunny.
Tiger was just a matter of reading a bit tbh
Reroll into lightning crit synergy, and I got to a point were I had no option but to take some Fatal Current stuff and... well, I kinda want to build that next

Reset on kill creates such hype moments

[prime walrus]

Hello there

what is Battle Adrenaline actually do?

[nimble flint]

On dash stacking speed and dmg

[prime walrus]

also trying to understand Libra Warrior.

i assumed it was give weapon damage releated to striking punch but afteri get 100% striking punch i dont see damage increase on bullet

i wonder how it works

how to make Libra warrior better?

[thorn dawn]

well yeah I did play it like 2 years ago where I have the account maxed out, but I just started new with a friend and wanted to skip the tedious part

[queen citrus]

Anything different about pole monarch in r9?

[dawn sand]

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic haha

[quaint maple]

been a while since i got in this game, how does the life steal changes work?

[glad iris]

A certain amount of hp gets healed with a cooldown.

[quaint maple]

huh, sounds like a nerf then

[lofty bay]

Why would I be? It's a fantastic addon\

[quaint maple]

pure lifesteal would be better if you got very high damage, but to be fair this change is better for all builds, so i guess its a net positive

[fallen escarp]

Pure lifesteal was also absurdly OP the moment you hit 10k damage and higher per hit, which is chump change in any serious run.

[cobalt dock]

Burn healed me to full

[lofty bay]

Moment of silence for this dog nerf

[cobalt dock]

[lucid nova]

soo what blessing should i pick for a spore build on r9

[cobalt dock]

overconsumption like always

[valid zephyr]

I have 99 mil on tiger and 305 mil on monkey. It’s really easy to beat the dmg cap on every character doing weapons builds

[red glacier]

i promise you it is very possible

[lucid nova]

with this does it also copy the inscriptions of both weapons?

[quasi arrow]

Yes and no. The inscriptions are applied to the weapon, and Soul Strike deals weapon damage(hit proc), but it has nothing to do with Want Them All, it's just a bonus to Soul Strike. So somethning like disco ball will proc if you crit and so on

[lucid nova]

mkay

dealing over 20mil dmg without turn into reality or dual edge

prob cos this cripy boy

[quasi arrow]

Nice, but Shotguns are preffered for this build. 472 base dmg your Piercing Flame vs 186*14 DMG for basic Hell. Just share Crits with Strike Wing

[lucid nova]

ye got this one a sec ago

little to much text lol

[quasi arrow]

And btw since the turtle can now crit, the regular Monkey Crit build suits it perfectly. It eliminates enemies just as effectively as the Monkey, if not better

[lucid nova]

turtle can crit? wdym

with what ability

[quasi arrow]

Works with Counterviolence too

[lucid nova]

holyshit thats so busted

might need to give that a try

[quasi arrow]

I skipped Ship second phase few time already 🙂

[lucid nova]

yea

[quasi arrow]

(or third or how to call it)

[lucid nova]

any ability that can crit is insta OP

i wonder what the devs were thinking with that

[quasi arrow]

Well, I think they noticed that the turtle was rather boring and decided to add something to the gameplay. Of course, before you could also build through Wild Hunt, but that was probably the only option. And now, with the weapon proc, you can even play through Painkiller and proc Combustion or smth

[lucid nova]

wait, does the weapon dmg have the same function as soul strike that it copies the element?????

[quasi arrow]

Yes

[lucid nova]

then what is the point of monkey still existing

so for that setup i need painkiller, fire weapon and a corrosive weapon right?

[quasi arrow]

The Monkey can take the same Wild Hunt and destroy enemies both with Soul Strike and auto-attacks. But if you're building the Turtle into this setup, you rely entirely on the primary skill, or rather, its cooldown. Even killing a regular mob comes down to waiting for the Aspis cooldown... True, there's no cooldown in the late game, but that's not the point.

[lucid nova]

hmnmm aight ill try it out

so what does this mean?

@quasi arrow emergency question: does it also copy inscriptions like monkey does?

[quasi arrow]

If you mean Aspis Slam - yes, same weapon proc and behavior, you can even open vaults with it

[lucid nova]

w h a t. . .

welp i just got this soooo thats neat

well well well

yep.... fun

@quasi arrow almost a god run lol

[quasi arrow]

yeap, just like that

[lucid nova]

it do be smackin

now time to get combustion setup :D

[fallen escarp]

I find it funny how the longest part of this fight was you chasing after the only enemy that actually runs away from you.

[quasi arrow]

I just imagine that I'm a Warrior in Diablo 1, and the longest part of the gameplay is chasing after enemies

[lucid nova]

the zaza for every monky player

[lucid nova]

is it just me or is r9 easy after tombs

[fallen escarp]

It suffers the same problems R8 has.

Players scale faster than enemies.

Result is it starts hard then gets easier as you progress.

Nothing was added, removed or changed to avert this. If anything, the fact they added the Mission from Above Bizarre Dream probably made it worse.

[queen citrus]

i saw like 50 of those corrosion balls when i fought golem on r9. i'll take lu wu any day

[wise oasis]

The solution is to pick scrolls that make enemies op

[fallen escarp]

The solution is also counter-intuitive and unintended through normal play.

[reef creek]

Elite Gathering on Jokul is still a big problem to me

But I'm bad at the game, so there is that

[graceful phoenix]

god i hate this matchmaking, how comes that the game is soo well designed but it has by far the worst matchmaking of all games ive ever played

[fallen escarp]

The sole equalizer, because Elite Mandrill Cavalrys can be just as good as you are at rushing you down and instantly killing you while employing get-out-of-death free tactics.

The Elite Thunderous Stalker too, to a certain extent.

[nimble flint]

matchmaking depends on the people using it.
If not enough use it the search has to extend many different level to find "suitable" groups

And the majority playmode is invite or solo , not matchmaking

[thorn dawn]

there are only campfires at the start at a world for the alt-f4 glitch right

at least I don't recall seeing campfires elsewhere

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[quaint maple]

why they massacred my boy turtle

[reef creek]

Bunny has no dps to kill stuff early on with sword builds, is that right?

I'm struggling so much

[glad iris]

ice blade

[violet ingot]

so I had a pretty good run

overwhelming abyss + field proficiency + enhanced advanced joggers + magic watch + gradual progression 3 got me to around 400 stacks of fist sensation

[reef creek]

I had that but one boss crack killed me. Ice blades were not frequent enough to keep up

[violet ingot]

could've gone higher if I had gotten power if the ocean

[glad iris]

What ascensions were you using? Because ice blade early game melts everything.

[reef creek]

I didn't find many good stuff, tbh. I even had Gambler to reroll and got nothing 🤡

[glad iris]

imo if you're using ice blade you should be using blade of bloom

[reef creek]

I don't remember everythin on her kit, it was my second take

[copper ridge]

Oh my gosh I love the DLC so many characters. I love the having the iron wood

[proud fable]

I have dropped.

IN

[fallen escarp]

Half the reincarnation-exclusive stuff we don't know why.

The other half is "to make the game easier".

[somber solar]

Jokes aside, Mission From Above is a fun new addition so far imo

[fallen escarp]

Good idea, mid execution.

[reef creek]

For one, I think the missions could stay as they are, but if you failed you get only the downsides. And also make them somewhat more fallible outside of straight up dying most of the time, like the crit ones

I had one where a sudden elite invasion stupid dashing flamethrower guy actually got me to lose the critX criteria

I was jumpscared and sprayed my gun aimlessly lmao

Literal spongebob moment

[fallen escarp]

Ironically probably the only other fallible one is the elemental one.

Not because it's hard to inflict elemental effects.

But because you might accidentally kill enemies too quickly.

[lucid nova]

what build would you guys say thats the most broken currently

kinda curious

[fallen escarp]

Painkiller, simply due to how little you need to start using it and how quickly you can.

By the time you encounter anything it can't handle, you've likely also built something else to handle them anyway.

Even shuts down Elite Spearmen and Elite Horseheads when they'd otherwise be a pain.

[lucid nova]

fair enough

its pocket cat

goofy ah luck

[queen citrus]

Beat r9 in 2 player yesterday. My friend didn’t know about gluttony being able to heal and he was playing bird so he was staying really close to the boss. After him healing back to full health 3 times we finally killed him.

[lucid nova]

r9 is easy af

[quasi arrow]

that's why I think its a boring AF boss. You can literally facetank it and use WASD only

[queen citrus]

i thought the bear was harder.

[lucid nova]

Just thought about a little something, how hard would the game break with crownprice, painkiller, elemental maestro

[fallen escarp]

The first 2 break it pretty hard. The last one wouldn't really matter much.

[lucid nova]

why not?what would be a better option

[fallen escarp]

Endless Assault or some blessing that supports cold hard damage.

Elemental Maestro's damage bonus and guaranteed elemental effects are nice, but the damage bonus is surprisingly small considering every other blessing, and the guaranteed effects don't matter much for Combustion due to the cooldown, Combustion being an alternate method of dealing with enemies that Miasma and Maniplation suck against.

And the guaranteed elemental effects don't matter for Painkiller because smoke grenades do elemental effects perfectly already.

[lucid nova]

i just tried painkiller for the first time and holyfuck its broken

waaaay better than the old version

like wtf

and i went with copy cat for the extra blessing

like WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK this is too easy

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

That's the state of this game.

[lucid nova]

well thanks game

firetower cat about to go nuts

mmmm the game just wants to let it end early

[fallen escarp]

Correction, it wants to let it last longer.

Painkiller makes Burning heal you.

[lucid nova]

ye that why, i can rush in without dying

rushing = faster

[fallen escarp]

Thought you meant "game wants me to burn to death".

[lucid nova]

i thought ithey nerfed miasma.....

lol this run is nuts

[fallen escarp]

They did, technically.

[lucid nova]

doesnt feel like it tbh...

rate the scrolls lol

[fallen escarp]

The damage against Shield was buffed from 12% to 18%, of max HP, Armor was buffed from 9% to 18%, but HP was nerfed from 12% to 9%.

HP being the most important, because that's what Miasma is good at destroying and all bosses are at least 50% HP.

Oh and it no longer has an AoE, but no one really cared about that.

[lucid nova]

the aoe was nice tho

but with a proper thunderclap glove its reverted

[proud fable]

THIS FIYYA IS OUTTA CONTROL, I’M GONNA BURN THIS CITY, BURN THIS CITY!

I forgot to say that I just got the game yesterday. Played it, and I already enjoyed it off the bat.

I appreciate many things in the game. And it tells me that the game is unique and fun, yet niche.

Also, kewl art.

[lucid nova]

well hello there

???????? what even is this creation

[lucid nova]

bruh the very last scroll i get is dual edge...

[proud fable]

I also don’t know what.

[inland glade]

really funny how I can give my friend every scroll possible, all my weapon upgrades possible, every red chest use possible, and STILL do 140 million more damage than him as Nona

[valid zephyr]

you mean the robot does 140 million more

[inland glade]

Pointless pedantics

Still hilarious though

Pair of Us is truly a blessing of all time

[lucid nova]

so if i use soul strike with bloody drill, does it apply bleed?

r9 is hard

[fallen escarp]

Improved the attack of most enemies.

Not their defence, which was the main problem they had.

[lucid nova]

yup...

but what is the use of their new fancy attacks if they cant even hit you cos they die to fast

[fallen escarp]

Only enemies that really got something out of it were the Horseheads, Rogue Henchmen and Lu Wu.

The rest can be dealt with just by hitting hard enough.

Flying Saucer's is actually a nerf in that regard, because they split the damage they take with the enemies they heal.

If you do enough damage to instant kill them several times over, you not only kill the Flying Saucer, but everything they were healing too.

[nimble flint]

Windgod gets a invulnerable phase slapped on

at some % he force turns tornado

Oh and yeah the saucer is a help now

[fallen escarp]

Does it block excess damage?

[nimble flint]

So far it did

could never one shot or two shot over the limit

For speedruns r9 has more roadblocks

[valid zephyr]

Monkey build possibly could 1 or 2 shot it

there has been times where invulnerability phases have been skipped

I dont have any recording software or know how to do any of that so i wouldnt have a way to prove it or anything even if i did

[fallen escarp]

Problem is, not everything with invulnerability phases has excess damage protection.

Yoruhime-Maru's second phase doesn't, for example. Anyone can one-shot that.

You cannot however one-shot Pole Monarch through his invincibility phases, or Gluttony, or even the Elite Mandrill Cavalry.

Pole Monarch even has a point where he has excess damage protection without an invincibility phase.

So the question is whether Wind God has excess damage protection or not.

Not if anyone can one-shot them.

[cobalt dock]

you can, however, wait for pole monarch to chug both jugs before you damage him

“skiping” i-frames

[reef creek]

Terrific Crossfire saves bunny

Got one on the first crack and suddenly she can deal real damage

[red glacier]

saves?

[reef creek]

In my experience, yes.
Something didn't fit right with me and bunny. Never could kill elites because I lacked damage, control and/or survivability

Reducing cooldown on swords by launching a grenade made everythin work

[fallen escarp]

I've got a feeling Ancient Timer would work just as well, if not better.

[reef creek]

Well yes, maybe but i got the enhanced double dynamite item 2 rooms after

Double grenades and half the time they cost nada, it's silly dumb

[fallen escarp]

Or just half cooldown, passively.

Unless you have the time and patience to throw 2 Fatal Blooms every 2 seconds, of course.

[reef creek]

Bloom damage cast swords so it's pretty much nonstop Ice Blade damage

Silly silly

She also murders bosses, very silly silly

[fallen escarp]

Well that's using bloom for damage and protection.

Not swords out, which would end up being more of a supplimentary.

[reef creek]

I'm pretty sure my main source of damage was the continuos circle button spam, specially against everything that thought running in a straight line towards me to be a good idea

[cursive creek]

acidominance affect grenade at all?

I don't play cat

oouuu it does

[quaint maple]

does anyone know if turtle's retracting move treat the weapon as one shot? could bloody drill's bleed trigger from this?

[quaint maple]

also hexagon might be my trump card for r9 lmao

[reef creek]

One of the best guns I never use outside of first 3 to 4 areas

[prime walrus]

Hello there

[rotund plaza]

hihi

[prime walrus]

did anybody tried weapon base Li? so far that seems quite bad to me

[rotund plaza]

weapon based Li you say?
#gunfire-videos message

[nimble flint]

Weapon based Li with a fire Octopus wreaks havoc in Spiritual assault with no special Build for the Assault stuff

Heck I even jam in the guaranteed Injector drop to get my octopus thats how good weapon Li can be

[alpine umbra]

weapon li goes crazy even normally, with her exclusive blessing and the crit one

[somber solar]

Note to self: Try this out after i'm home.

[nimble flint]

to make it really silly : her fire dmg ascension and the blessing for fire penetration

[somber solar]

Mostly cause i struggle immensely in Spiritual Assault no matter what i try, so this suggestion gives me hope i'll finally beat SA.

[prime walrus]

hmm i never tried octopus

[fallen escarp]

Have you tried Chromatic Magazine?

[prime walrus]

but my experience is weapon Li is way too weaker compare to well skill Li

also it looks like weapon Li designed to be a hybrid Li with weapon and skill damage combined

[somber solar]

Also, remind me, cause it's been a hot minute (hehe) since i've played Firefox...
What's the fire penetration blessing?

[prime walrus]

that is not r9 right?

[nimble flint]

Forgot the name but if you miss that in a selectionyou deserve a darwin award

[somber solar]

I also forgor what's that 💀

[nimble flint]

It just says that fire dmg ignored 33% of shield and armor

[prime walrus]

in spiritual assault you can melt enemies by simple spiritual fire with Li by building around it

[nimble flint]

you cant miss the effect

[fallen escarp]

Every time you reload, hit every nearby enemy with all elemental effects.

[somber solar]

...oh...i thought that's her level 3 fire dmg ascension..

[prime walrus]

it is

oh wait

isnt it blessing

[rotund plaza]

R9 LW4 with all Bizarre Dream option

watch till the end

[prime walrus]

if i'm not wrong third ascension of Li's fire damge bonus make you deal more damage to shield and armour

[fallen escarp]

Penetrating Flame is the spiritual ascension which makes 50% fire damage ignore shield/armor.

Furious Flame is the regular ascension which at level 3 causes 33% more fire damage to shield/armor.

[prime walrus]

31 stack alone give you way too much power XD

any other weapon character with that scrolls can melt though

[somber solar]

I have tried that before, and i either got unlucky with Flame ascensions, and/or enemies become aggressively spongy by the second wave, unable to keep throwing them big fireballs constantly.

[prime walrus]

you don't need to fully charge it

but yeah luck is essential

[somber solar]

àh i see now.

[rotund plaza]

not my fault for throwing too much elites into my face since stage 2

[prime walrus]

hehehehe

true XD

and that is mere 36 weapon xD

check this out XD

[rotund plaza]

if only it had AoE dmg on crit kill

[prime walrus]

doesnt matter because it was on thunder cat

me and my friend done it XD

team work XD

he was casting chain lightning and shoot one guy and rest die XD

we done duo Lei Luo with that game. He was weapon focused me on skill focused

my ultimate's cooldown was like less than 1 second at the end. I was constantly casting ult attacking and cast it again XD Thunderstrikes was all over the place

because i was skill focused we upgraded his weapon together 😄

what you guys thinks about Nona. So far she seems like way too powerful

[nimble flint]

( said about every character at some point)

[prime walrus]

also quite cute

what i love about Nona is iron wing fire mod

unlike Li you don't even need to do the thing XD

also amazing how you can build around your second skill without need cast it as well because your fire mode turret get power from it

so far only major complain me and my friend had for this game is game need to bake ultimate gambler into base game

[fallen escarp]

She gets everything.
Powerful offences. Powerful defences. Powerful automation.

Any flaw that she'd normally have, like difficulty reviving Iron Wing, is covered by talents.

[prime walrus]

and if you time to time shoot your iron wing it wont even die

also when it is in fire mod quite easy to manage it

also i wonder how it would be to have a banish option where you can select one or more ascension and it wont show up rest of the game

[fallen escarp]

Another buff to player scaling that we really don't need.

[prime walrus]

i disagree

it simple combat luck not give you more power

[fallen escarp]

If you remove the stuff you don't want, you get more of the stuff you do want.

The stuff you do want usually increases your power.

[prime walrus]

and game can balance around it

so far if you get stuff you dont want back to back it become terrible experience

[fallen escarp]

Have you seen the game's balance?

Finding +1 red chest is in the same category as +1000% damage.

[prime walrus]

we talking about ascensions though

the way you wanna play

if you keep failing to get skills you need run become terrible

especially annoying on coop

[fallen escarp]

Have you seen the game's balance?
+4 capacity is in the same category as +4 capacity with a 50% chance to recover a use.

[prime walrus]

still i'm talking about skills not other stuff

pus on coop you can share scrolls so

you can make each member stronger simple sharing scrolls depend who need what

[fallen escarp]

Have you seen the game's balance?
Shooting dozens of auto-tracking cards with high damage bonuses is in the same category as a close range slash that needs to repeatedly kill to scale.

[prime walrus]

why you spamming same thing 😄

trying to combat game balance with bad luck is not fun

[fallen escarp]

Who said bad luck was combating game balance?

I'm saying there is barely any balance at all.

[prime walrus]

true

[fallen escarp]

Which would be the only reason why bad luck could do anything anyway.

[prime walrus]

that simple bad game design

and there are games find ways anyway

[fallen escarp]

It's way easier to hate bad luck when you get +10% instead of +100% due to poor balance, rather than +50% instead of +60%.

And oh boy is the game the former.

Only reason why people don't complain as much is because there are many ways to pick or reroll your luck.

[prime walrus]

it is really easy to hate luck when you cant get the skill you need to play while your party members have fun 😄

few days ago one of our party member literally got trash build and basically quit for a while while we melting stuff XD

it is not even about dealing less or more damage at that point

[fallen escarp]

Yep, more balance issues.

When one person gets all the good +1000% stuff from good luck, everyone else can't do anything.

[prime walrus]

and we talking about a party share scrolls 😄 basically group of friend

he simply lost his desire to play after third chapter

me nora the most damage dealing one also one that has less scroll and even used red chest to upgrade others's weapons XD

also one think i would love to see being able to purchase ammo more than one time in spiritual assault mod

[reef creek]

Getting this on my first successful bunny run felt so anticlimatic

I literally have no other frames and reading their requirements for the first time looked so daunting

Like challenges and whatnot

And I accidentally get one with a character I struggled to even reach first boss

[fallen escarp]

Bunny's, Red Panda's and now Turtle's frames you can easily get by accident.

The latter 2 you just need a blessing and to play normally.

[prime walrus]

does anybody used Grenade Shockwave on spiritual assault before? How it is?

[fallen escarp]

It's like diet Atomic Bomb, but also the only good use for Frenzied Shark.

[prime walrus]

oh i see

starting with dog and with lone wolf getting endless assault and atomic bomb is amazing 😄 it is quite smooth.

soo i call it Lone Dog XD

[fallen escarp]

Standard OP dog stuff.

[split plinth]

still have yet to get the run for li with jet octopus

got one with mag size, reload, fire dmg and luckyshot on hit

almost the run

but i died to mandrill cavalry with corrosive aura

[agile fog]

whats the best blessing for turtle?

[fallen escarp]

Depends on what you plan on using.

If Aspis Slam, Tsunami Punch.
If Punch, Power of the Ocean.
If Fierce Charge, Overwhelming Waters.
If firing weapons, why? Also Libra Warrior.

[somber solar]

HOLY SHIZZLE, IT ACTUALLY WORKED!
I've finally beaten Spiritual Assault

[nimble flint]

lol

glad to help

Sizzling hot water is great

[somber solar]

I love Li even more now!

[fallen escarp]

Mmmm... refreshing.

[cobalt dock]

Owl can cheese blessing in Disguise basicly every game

[fallen escarp]

That's without Blessing in Disguise.

Put it to 9 or 11 refreshes with.

[lucid nova]

Imagine picking ultimate gambler these days

[nimble flint]

bold of you to assume gambler

The challenges can also give rerolls ;D

[fallen escarp]

I did actually pick gambler.

Because this was a research run, not a proper run.

It could've been 7/7 refreshes by the way, but I didn't realize it would escalate at that point.

[ancient ruin]

That time you all decide to do a R9 dog run, and one of you get 3B dmg.

90% of the deaths were in the first stage

[fallen escarp]

As is tradition.

[reef creek]

Wait, is Weapon Mastery on monkey stupid broken?

I mean a shotgun offhand with whatever sounds busted

[fallen escarp]

+75% projectiles on a non-shotgun is barely in the realm of broken.

Does it make a difference? Absolutely if you have no other projectile bonuses diminishing your returns.

But compared to a lot of other things, it doesn't compare.

[reef creek]

On a first glance, i don't really know what to build this into

Crits seem easy with a sniper off-hand and some fast gun

[velvet prism]

Anyone know if the +3% base weapon damage per 10% of magazine fired for the next reload is capped or not?

Firing 100,000 shots then reloading the weapon for the boost would be a bit silly if not capped..

[lucid nova]

I think its capped since its always a max of 30%

10 x 3= 30 since you can get 120% mag size

[prime walrus]

so finally tried Grenade Shockwave with this two weapons. Lucky to get double secondary usage as well. It was quite fun and strong 😄

[velvet prism]

The way it's worded doesn't seem to imply it's capped at the full magazine amount

easy enough to test it later though I guess

[small ledge]

I'm seeing a concerning lack of bricks in that all dog run

[reef creek]

I GOT FUCKING MONKEY FRAME ACT 1

What the hell lmao

I hate this, so anticlimatic

[fallen escarp]

Oh yeah, that one does actually require a bit more know-how, but it's also pretty easy.

Launcher + enemy swarm, preferably 2 waves of beetles from the Elite Beetle.

Or possibly 1 wave with Lone Wolf active, not sure.

[reef creek]

Got it with a grenade launcher, enemy becomes beetle, act 1-2

I had no idea until it just popped up

[ancient ruin]

True, the second dog got an insane shrieker that just one shot everything.

[small ledge]

gah damn

I guess that's understandable

[pearl garden]

First R9 experience. The new Act 2 and 4 routes threw me for a loop but otherwise it was more or less the same.

Ascension Fusion gave me Lucky Break and Voltage Surge which was fun with this roll/Counterviolence.

[valid zephyr]

It was just a race to see who could kill something before my Shrieker would hit the enemies

[small ledge]

good evening, fellas

[lucid nova]

pretty happy about my profile stats now

[small ledge]

7 MINUTES?

[nimble flint]

speedrunners

in this range the game doesnt tell seconda

best for me is 9minutes

you can see it as a rite of passage to achieve clearance below 10

[elfin laurel]

I'm 2 achievements away from 100%, but I have to get Zi Xiao's level frame and it's so painful

Can anyone please give me some tips

[fallen escarp]

Throw cards.

[elfin laurel]

Thanks 👍

[lucid nova]

7min and 30sec

[elfin laurel]

Also, how do reserve cards work?

Nvm I figured it out

[elfin laurel]

Just found out something pretty cool, if you hit the yoruhime maru hard enough in it's second phase, it'll just die and won't get it's invincibility step

[lucid nova]

yea ik

[elfin laurel]

I just learned that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also I either got a glitch and the vault didn't spawn or the vault on stage 3 of duo fjord was in the most remote corner of the universe because I scowered the level and could not find it for the life of me

[fallen escarp]

Vaults aren't guaranteed to spawn.

Very likely, but not guaranteed.

[elfin laurel]

Huh

I thought they were guaranteed

Man I'm learning a lot tonight

[nimble flint]

Yep

There can be a 1-1 without a vault

rare but not impossible

There were even times where due to level layout you had 2 vaults or golden chests in a single big room in the Tomb

[reef creek]

I don't really understand spiritual assault

[fallen escarp]

1. Do a tetris of things you want.
2. Kill enemies for 30 minutes.
3. Killing enemies levels you up, letting you pick rewards.
4. Other stuff, like events.

[reef creek]

Yeah but how could I kill 5 dragons within that mess lmao

Also it's so overwhelming

[fallen escarp]

It relies heavily on you scaling with the enemies.

Fail to scale fast enough and you'll rapidly fall behind.

[reef creek]

Emphasis on rapidly

[elfin laurel]

When I finally beat it with my friend, I found that playing Xing Zhe and trying to fully build his gun related ascensions is how best to scale

Getting the one where using his secondary grants an extra inscription to the weapon is one of the most clutch pulls honestly

[reef creek]

I play solo exclusively tho
Not sure how that makes a difference but I was barely able to reach second boss with bunny and a stupid amazing Illusion

Outside that one run, first boss is where I die at best

[fallen escarp]

If you want to cheese it so you pretty much always win, pick ||Chromatic Magazine or use Radioactive Gauntlet built for Miasma.||

It's not glorious, but it works.

[reef creek]

I had a feeling Chromatic would be very strong since it's mini painkiller

I just wanted to avoid it to see how this works

[elfin laurel]

Fair (though in the run where we run I kinda hard carried so I still think Xing Zhe solos)

[lucid nova]

since when is chain lightning so OP

[fallen escarp]

Since they buffed High Power Arc and/or Thunder & Glory.

[lucid nova]

is so fast for clearing hordes

struggles a bit on bosses tho

[red glacier]

not if you take the right gifted man blessing

[prime walrus]

is this effect skills?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[prime walrus]

oh that lovely. I always assumed it just about weapons because of stuff like coin shot and bullet light etc

[fallen escarp]

Coin Shot and Bullet Light are there because there are exactly 0 scrolls which exclusively benefit normal damage, besides Elemental Curse which wouldn't count due to being a cursed scroll.

Explosive Bullets used to only benefit normal damage weapons, but it doesn't anymore.

[reef creek]

There is a severe lack of exploration on items that boosts whatever only if it's not an elemental thingy

Lots of design space available there

I tend to undervalue neutral weapons for that reason alone, "I might just stumble upon some elemental synergy later so they're better even now when I don't have them"

[proud fable]

Resurgency is jank

[twin hollow]

its hard if u cant build. clearly u kno how to very well

how do people feel about nona?

[lucid nova]

OP

and very fun

prob my favorite character for the "fun factor"

does counterviolence stack with the crit chance that you get from snipers for soul strike?

wich would be 90% chance to crit

[lunar bridge]

the critical cudgel wiki page has the answer to your question.

basically: no, the crit chance between sources are not additive.

[glad iris]

Probably works just like ele share with the same elements.

[lucid nova]

does this also scale of inscriptions like monkey's primary and turtles aspis slam?

it says it deals a extra hit with your weapon on the wiki, but does the slam itself also scale of inscriptions

[cobalt dock]

its exactly like those

[lucid nova]

sweet

[cobalt dock]

wait for it to get added to base kit like Turtle

[lucid nova]

trueeeee, that honestly wouldnt surprise me

[elfin laurel]

FINALLY

[lucid nova]

nice

[lucid nova]

went a little creative with speedrunning

im sure no one has tried a chain build yet

[fallen escarp]

Many people have done chain lightning speedruns.

One of the more popular types, besides stuff like rainbow spores.

[lucid nova]

never seen it before

also spores is cringe, i made a promise with myself to never use spores again

[cobalt dock]

now do CL but with painkiller aswell

funny combustion lightning

[nimble flint]

chain lightning is the one of the fastest builds for Lei

[lucid nova]

oh right

forgot painkillers works on cl

[nimble flint]

reason why he is used for Golem/Lu Wu runs

[lucid nova]

hmm ima give it a try real quick

[nimble flint]

you roast the tomb with that

[lucid nova]

already does that without pk

[nimble flint]

Painkiller could be usefull later on but early on you get so much more dmg from current

[lucid nova]

i dont need this right?

[nimble flint]

nah

[lucid nova]

ill go current and painkiller

[nimble flint]

No skill use is the way to go

just spam away the lightning

[lucid nova]

ill be fiiine

i get lightning governor

[cobalt dock]

if you wanna do funny painkiller its that one, doubt its actually better/faster

but it funny

[lucid nova]

sure, dont feel like speedrunning for today anyways

stuff is dying to fast for painkiller to proc

i mean its triggering but it doesnt have a effect cos the enemies are dead from the initial hit

he guarding the chest

[cobalt dock]

ah, R1

[lucid nova]

yeah, just trying it out

since r9 isnt more fun

[cobalt dock]

it should blow up luwu real quick then

[lucid nova]

golem

[cobalt dock]

jupp

[lucid nova]

tbh r9 lu wu would maybe take 5more sec

[cobalt dock]

yeah

[lucid nova]

build is fun, but the combustion isnt do much except for beefy targets like elites or bosses

[cobalt dock]

thats what its there fore

[nimble flint]

Did also a simple R1 run , could have been better but the ascensions were just too fun to play with

Tiger goes zooom

Battle Pace and Battle Adrenaline is just too fun a combo to pass up on

[lucid nova]

half not bad scrolls

[lucid nova]

ah yes the good ol spirit bible and deadly curse you love to see it

just to much fun

arent there supposed to be elites there?

well then that was fun

[nimble flint]

Yep

Lightning strikes are fun to play with

Especially max Govenor

[lucid nova]

makes you a walking tesla coil

[reef creek]

Well, grenade cat builds destroy Spiritual Assault as well, who would've thought

It was literally a non-issue, wtf

[lucid nova]

Because painkiller exists

Even without you have elemental maestro

Cat is always easy

Not very fun imo

[fallen escarp]

Painkiller, surprisingly, doesn't exist in Spiritual Assault.

Chromatic Magazine is their close cousin though. Not quite as smart-looking with Cat.

[pearl garden]

Chromatic Mag however, does.

Only played SA a few times tho. Wasn't my thing.

[lucid nova]

Oh woops misread lmao

Its only decently fun with 4 players

Its to much rng for a decent run imo

[reef creek]

My cat run was so broken it got me thinking if there is an optimal tetris for the other animals

There might be, honestly. And it wasn't RNG based, I just took whatever grenade buffs showed up

[reef creek]

I didn't take the mushroom because I had the recover 1 secondary when damage is dealt 4 times

[fallen escarp]

That's deal double damage every 4 DMG dealt.

[reef creek]

Or that

[fallen escarp]

Or recover 1 secondary for every 3 enemies killed. Either one.

[reef creek]

I had both, probably. Don't remember

[reef creek]

But this one definitely

Was the sole reason I didn't take mushroom, I wanted the ticks

[spark raven]

how do i activate water colum using the jet octupus on dog?

while in dualwield

[fallen escarp]

Have 2 of them, then use it as normal.

[prime walrus]

Want Them All vs Dimensional Strike which one is better?

also when this trigger essence chain is that deal damage based on skill damage or like somehow with weapon damage like with soul strike?

[granite rampart]

Is it possible to still get the portraits for 1m/3m copies sold and for the anniversary?

[fallen escarp]

It's literally just an essence chain hit, but +100% DMG and no extra triggers*.

* Still triggers some things.

[fallen escarp]

No.

[prime walrus]

so it still effected from skill damage right

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[prime walrus]

hmm doesnt sound that good than

also soul strike just about weapon damage right so dps of the weapon doesnt matter

[fallen escarp]

It allows Soul Strike to suppliment an Essence Chain build instead of being completely useless.

[prime walrus]

i got it i mean for weapon build

when i go weapon build i have zero skill damage because i give it to my bois

[fallen escarp]

Based on the weapon's damage and projectile stats on the item card. An Illusion will deal significantly worse damage than a Fire Tower for example, despite Illusion's much higher RoF and projectile count when fired.

[prime walrus]

so weapon damage and projectile count

interesting so it a skill like build where your weapon is your skill

but also it is not a skill so you wont get benefit from any skill stuff right

that can be cool in party i need to try this XD

on Want Them All vs Dimensional Strike case so far dimensional strike looks like better one to pick first

i think my ideal triple blesing would be Dimensional Strike, Want them all and field Field Proficiency for that 60% cooldown reduction what you think?

[fallen escarp]

No idea because I've never used Want Them All.

[prime walrus]

as idea it sound good

for example like having a sword and getting lucky shot plus having another weapon that give you 500 base dmg

hmm i wonder is 500 base dmg is better than others though

[fallen escarp]

Unless Want Them All does something special with the +500 base DMG, it's completely worthless.

[quasi arrow]

@prime walrus It all depends on what you want to achieve.
Damage from E? - Weapon Mastery + Counterviolence/Crit skills + Dimensional Strike (Sniper + Shotgun CritX gemini)
Damage from Q? - Essence Drainer + Armed Caster + Dimensional Strike (pistol + something)
Damage from everything? Weapon Mastery + Counterviolence + First Strike (Injector with shitloads of ammo + Wild Hunt and Mag Share Gemini)

[prime walrus]

hmm probably because it not effected from that lots of skill damage increases flat damage doesnt sound that good

[prime walrus]

i just want damage from soul strike

but also cant be skill based as well

soul strike itself need to dealing damage it cant be a tool to deal damage with essence drainer and i cant get skill damages

@quasi arrow what you think about Dimensional Strike, Want them all and field Field Proficiency combo?

so far fire sword looks like have highest base damage so having one sword to get 80% lucky shot plus having a launcher in other hand to get explosive damage or maybe sniper to get crit damage

well that probably almost never gonna happen tough XD getting second or third blessing as i want is quite hard

i keep playing ao bai with atomic bomb and still cant get Endless Assault 😦 it just sad. It is quite fun on lone wolf tough XD just cant get it on group yet

[fallen escarp]

It is applied after a weapon's base damage and level are calculated.

So for example, a Rainbow Arch (80 base DMG) that is level 20 (+300% base DMG) would do 320 base damage.

Then 500 gets added for 820 base damage, which is them multiplied by all your other bonuses as usual.

While it sounds like a good boost, don't forget that the "other" category of weapons usually has pathetically weak damage per shot.

Compare to something like a level 2 Fire Tower, which is 910 base damage AND gets lucky shot chance.

[quasi arrow]

Fire Tower was good some patches ago when you could make magazine share with First Strike. Now its pretty mediocre, you better find some Fire/Corrosion Shotgun to proc combustion.
CDR is always good, but there are better blessings than Want them all and Field Proficiency. I didn't find any good use of Want Them all. Well, maybe I just wasn’t looking, but purely technically, Weapon Mastery looks better.

[prime walrus]

oh i talk about it when i have want them all

with want them all you can have +500 damage while having sword as main weapon

[prime walrus]

does your elemental procs also work on soul strike?

[fallen escarp]

Uhhhhh....

Don't know when you last played, but Combustion shotguns are worthless now.

Only 1 hit procs Combustion. All other hits that should've are now blocked by the 0.12s cooldown.

[prime walrus]

oh seems like weapon element also effect soul strike

[quasi arrow]

I just dont play around combustion, if its not a Nona, but she use only "element"

[fallen escarp]

Soul Strike in particular gets up to 10 hits. Less than normal for most shotguns, but still significantly reduced Combustion damage potential as it's spread out so much.

[prime walrus]

so it good for confusion

[fallen escarp]

Almost anything is good for Manipulation.

Shotguns have no real bonus there.

[prime walrus]

so all i need a fire sword with elemental share gemini and offhand lightning

[fallen escarp]

Their real niche is Miasma, because you can get all 9 stacks very quickly.

[quasi arrow]

cc support Monkey?

[prime walrus]

that looks quite weak compare to others

[quasi arrow]

ok xD

[fallen escarp]

The real bonus you want isn't actually explained.

See, shotguns are inaccurate...

Soul Strike doesn't care.

[prime walrus]

hmm i see

does shotguns base more base damage than fire tower

[fallen escarp]

Some of them do.

[prime walrus]

oh i see that why also weapon master is good right

in that case having a shotgun and rifle with weapon mastery and want them all sound interesting if that 500 is good

you can use shotgun as main weapon and got 75% weapon damage from weapon mastery with rifle plus get +500 damage from want them all with rifle plus 75% more projectile with weapon mastery as well

as far as i understand only rifle and shotgun are good with Weapon Mastery bonuses for soul strike

maybe sword for mobility

if you sacrifice rifle aka 75% bonus weapon damage +500 base dmg you can get sword as offhand with shotgun to get 75% movement speed + 80% lucky firt soul strike hit

80% lucky but just first hit sound a bit offputting i wish it was for all the damage

[fallen escarp]

Rifle damage bonus is additive.

With the most common source of bonus damage.

It's a very mid tier bonus. Worse than injectors, snipers and shotguns, but likely better than launchers, SMGs and pistols.

[lucid nova]

does this work for soul strike?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[pearl garden]

Great w/Counterviolence

[vapid vale]

what is this +999 LMFAO

[fallen escarp]

A bug.

Stick it in #1060159100006178816.

[reef creek]

I must be playing dog wrong

I couldn't reach first boss

Out. Of. Boredom.

This character feels so... meh
The grenades are very weak and the dual wielding is just not fun, unlike thundercat

[lucid nova]

skill issue

atomic bomb is one of the strongest builds

[reef creek]

Not my complaint, it wasn't hard. It was just boring as hell

I gave up on playing lmao

[reef creek]

Okay, Atomic Bomb is fun enough

And enables whatever I want to do

Currently dual wielding rocket launcher and hippo

I have negative move speed, yes

[cobalt dune]

Anyone having trouble with todays daily challenge? It seems only 1 or 2 enemies spawn in the 1st arena area. I then cant go to the next one as the game thinks there are still enemies.

[rotund plaza]

trying to play Lei Luo with Flowing Light in R9 LW4

sure hard

[lucid nova]

with what kind of build can i get the biggest dmg number on monkey

[cobalt dock]

Spirit Argus

[lucid nova]

and counterviolence right?

[lucid nova]

what gemni

[cobalt dock]

mag size is the most dmg, 1 mag maybe

[reef creek]

How does element conversion work with dual wielding?

Is a neutral off-hand weapon converted on activation?

[lucid nova]

fun starting scrolls

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/caffeine-ren-me-when-the-zoomies-bunny-gif-22991327

[lucid nova]

this is also applied to primary of monkey?

[fallen escarp]

Most likely yes, but how it acts based on Soul Strike's effects is unknown.

[red glacier]

i feel you

dog, is v boring to me too

[lofty bay]

[young oracle]

dog explosive build is so satisfying when you can clear a room in one shot

[lucid nova]

I mean... every character can do that

[young oracle]

well, with minimal investment

[reef creek]

Well I had fun in my last dog run tho lmao

[lucid nova]

quick example, monkey with a launcher in his hands and cast souls strike once and a bigger area is dead than one shot with dog

and i'd say monkey requires less rng to get big aoe clearing than dog

[foggy salmon]

Seems like they're focusing on porting everything over to the mobile version. I'm just really hoping there is still plans for future content and DLC for the main game. The quarter 3 update seemed like it was missing stuff they planned for it and nothing been said for quarter 4.

I love this game to death, really hoping the game isn't at the end of it's support

[fallen escarp]

They've pretty much always updated mobile alongside PC since they started on it. Nothing new.

[nimble flint]

Its just there was a good bit to port to mobile

same was the last dlc

[agile grotto]

What is Quin Yang species? Is he a parrot or some other kind of bird?

[fallen escarp]

A Swallow.

[red glacier]

I'm sure you do buddy

[reef creek]

I've seen people saying greenbird is bad

I think I've never felt more powerful, even though I definitely have been more powerful

[fallen escarp]

Feels good, power bad, unless you abuse his only OP blessing or grind kills.

[reef creek]

Instakill cleave is amazingly satisfying

[reef creek]

I have exactly one game of experience

And I wanna say cleave scaling on kill with LW4 is up there

What is this OP blessing?

[fallen escarp]

I mean sure, LW4 will certainly help Cleave more than most other builds.

[fallen escarp]

All or Nothing.

You risk self-deleting yourself at the start because your armor recovery sucks and you stunted your best means of recovering, but after that you can just leap at everything endlessly with little risk because the damage gets so high and the cooldown becomes non-existent.

[reef creek]

I had over 3k bonus on Cleave, the +120 skill damage item and early peddler farming item, forgot the name

Instakill on literally everything, including hydra

I'm just mad I got gluttony. I didn't try to cleave him but felt I couldn't

[fallen escarp]

You get a closer hidden target with bosses that would normally be out of range.

Also applies to other melee methods, like swords and Turtle.

[reef creek]

You don't say

I could've cleaved wind guy

[fallen escarp]

You can cleave everything.

[reef creek]

Wait, you mean Saucers too? Lmao
That one is silly

[nimble flint]

why not ?

just needs to be in range

you can hit saucers with smoke nades

[south oasis]

anyone can sum up what happened to the turtle?

i tried reading it but dear god i kept getting lost with the amount of changes

[lucid nova]

they made him a complicated mess imo

[reef creek]

Tried turtle for the first time. Act 1 was very easy, act 2 killed me dead

I don't get the character

[fallen escarp]

Opposite actually. They reduced the number of builds you can have and all the good ones include Tidal Aspis.

[fallen escarp]

He lost his Aspis Flick for weapon buffs build, and his damage reflection build. Gained a Hurtle (now called Fierce Charge) build.

Stuff you could do with Tsunami Punch blessing is now always there by default. His useless blessings got changed into ascensions and replaced with OP blessings. weapon buff ascensions got removed. Stormy Riptide got added to a talent and another ascension. Various other buffs to existing ascensions.

Oh and actually firing weapons is now generally a poor idea, because there is exactly 1 ascension that cares if you're shooting instead of slamming the Aspis for weapon damage, and said ascension penalizes you for shooting instead of slamming.

[agile grotto]

Will Gunfire devs pay the fee Unity creators ask for?

Sorry, that came out wrong, prob

[nimble flint]

You know thats not a "will" but "have" atm ?

There is a whole lot of issues with the enforcement and other things surrounding it

[agile grotto]

Are you saying it's one-time payment?

[nimble flint]

no

You are asking like they have a choice to say "no" and not pay without consequences

[agile grotto]

I meant to ask if GR gonna suffer because of what Unity devs did

[nimble flint]

Everyone will

thats not a single dev that wont get hurt by this nonsense

[fallen escarp]

Even the players, indirectly.

[agile grotto]

Will I be able to play this game normally, like now?

[nimble flint]

To pull the worst case ( that the Cult of the Lamb devs ( i hope) jokingly) say

That you mention it:
It could be the case that you cant access your game(s)

[agile grotto]

Fuck modern gaming, man