Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 )

[fallen escarp]

Qing Yan is probably the only thing that genuinely gets nerfed, making the game harder.

Which is sad because he's the hero with the weakest damage and the strongest defence (which doesn't mean much if you could've just killed everything instantly like other heroes can).

[glad iris]

There were also some challenge events that were removed.

Anyone remember the hp drain event?

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

[tropic mesa]

Truth be told, not that weak: if I had Deft Hands and Wild Hunt, I would obliterate nearly everybody.
Even more disgusting if you manage to use elements with the help of Gemini inscriptions.

[fallen escarp]

Anyone can use Wild Hunt with Deft Hands, and some other heroes also get similar bonuses that Birb has.

Like I think Monke doesn't even need Deft Hands, since he's got an ascension that makes 5 shots free if you kill an enemy.

[nimble flint]

And Birdo has his free shots after reload
Which is best with Wildhunt

[dawn flower]

Where did the game difficulty discussion start

[tropic mesa]

Riiiiiight... here.

[dawn flower]

I thought this?

Like Hades

[dawn flower]

Alright so after reading everything

In conclusion

I like brotato, good game has many cool characters

And i have like 5 hours

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-patrick-star-spongebob-gif-18338460

The most challanging way i found to play gun fire reborn is to start off fresh

Completing the game in that way is extremely challanging

Or at least im not used to playing the cat character guy

[dawn flower]

Personally i just ended up doing like no dmg despite my best efforts

And died to lag on the second boss

[split plinth]

starting to think i have been doing firetower combustion runs on the wrong guy

time to do it on cat/fox

[glad iris]

Who was you doing it with before?

[split plinth]

turtle

dunno how but i managed to delete groups and even ufos without looking at them

thanks to combustion an elemental spread inscription and the "pass elemental effect to a random enemy"

[glad iris]

Turtle is best with it imo.

He just has the ascensions for it.

Plus the movement.

[split plinth]

yeah kinda feeling its gotta be turtle cause the libra warrior and concussive current are nice

dont think ill get anothe run like that cause even without making it to the end of the last stage i got 1.4b which took my best turtle punch run the entire run to get

[mortal trench]

I can't tell what is harder r8 or nightmare

[wise oasis]

Nightmare because no blessings

[reef creek]

Is R8 much harder then R7? Cuz R7 was no problem with Painkiller Lone Wolf4 Cat

[vapid crag]

Enemy stat-wise it's the same as R7, you just get events in almost every room.

They may or may not screw you over.

[left condor]

[glad iris]

Bruh, cancel and re-queue.

[fossil belfry]

anyone playing?

[wise oasis]

Use #1064937664870101033

[split plinth]

finally hit 2b+ dmg on turtle

got a hawkeye sight and glazed sight stage 2 so i decided to go a crit tsunami punch and ended up dmg capping nearly every time i hit a weapon shot from aspis recall

[wraith dome]

[somber solar]

Hi, Mr. Developer person

[split plinth]

oh i missed a dev

ofc it happens when i sleep

😭

[broken brook]

I didn't even know the devs were here

I guess them talking casually to people or using emojis is a rarer sight then big foot

[tacit belfry]

No Firefox Blessing

[robust hedge]

REAL

I breeze through r8

but I recently had to help a friend on nightmare cuz he hasnt unlocked r1 yet

and oh god we died a lot

[fallen escarp]

Doesn't matter how fast an enemy can kill you when you can stop them with 90 soul essence and 1 smoke grenade.

[robust hedge]

[small ledge]

Why stop at 90? Go 150 on ODA and chuck endless bricks

[fallen escarp]

You need more bricks than smoke grenades for that.

[lucid nova]

Sounds like a you problem tbh

[small ledge]

Does anyone have any solutions with my game randomly freezing for short bursts?

[robust hedge]

I need that kyussy

[robust hedge]

what

that sounds like you're stringing random words together

[robust hedge]

ok

so am I getting the kyussy or not

[small ledge]

the hell did I walk into?

[somber solar]

Welcome to 🔥, where today is Steam maintenance day, and (mostly) can't play online games on Steam (for a little bit), so we are bored.

[tough pelican]

what have i created

am i a monster

enhanced deft hands projectile bonus aura of venom

i killed the final boss in 30 seconds

[fallen escarp]

Congrats, you have succeeded in making a mid-tier Reincarnation build.

[visual osprey]

Fun

[stuck bane]

I'm dumb af.
So i've been stuck on normal bcs on the end of stage 3 I thought u had to go to the final boss to unlock a new difficulty

Could've gotten further if not for my dumbness xDDDDDDD

[fallen escarp]

Doesn't the game immediately point out the new difficulty the moment you've unlocked it?

Which you're guaranteed to do, because you cannot progress to the final boss during the first victorious run?

[stuck bane]

I could progress bcs i was with a squad who already defeated the stage 3 boss

Bcs i could never reach the 3rd level on my own

So i've spent the last 44h on normal gaining so little souls xD

[fallen escarp]

Shouldn't they have had it pointed out to them instead?

[stuck bane]

idfk i was new to the game back then

nobody warned me and i don't remember if the game warned me before xD

I've spent the last 50 mins or so getting myself from normal to R1

[fallen escarp]

If beating Elite and Nightmare was achieved in 50 minutes, surprised the final boss was even holding you back.

[stuck bane]

After the 2nd stage of the final boss, he always kicked my ass.

early tonight i was with a squad, we could've beat him, but steam maintenance... 999+ ping

[fallen escarp]

You're... not supposed to let him reach his final stage. That's what happens if you fail to beat him within 10 seconds during his charging.

That's assuming we're talking about Pole Monarch of course, and not Yoruhime-Maru.

[robust hedge]

thats slow

but your build sounds fun

[robust hedge]

yes

but it seemed like he thought 30 secs was fast

well

it is decently fast

but nothing to brag about really

oh?

damn

well im not a turbonerd

I just like the theorycrafting aspect of the game

and sometimes I'll have a lucky run

I

what?

yes I know

borderlands as a roguelite

that's how I found this game lol

I really wanted to play a "roguelite borderlands"

and then I found gfr

well not everyone sees borderlands as a game where you have to farm

a lot of people play both gfr and borderlands in a "use what you find and make the best of it" manner

yes I saw that

oh wait

actually I saw a video of someone firing the aura of venom at a breakable object

[lucid nova]

You dont need to be a turbonerd to be good at the game tbh

[robust hedge]

with def thands

deft

[robust hedge]

yuh

but you do need to invest time

[lucid nova]

This game is so overtuned in every way that you need 0 luck to nuke

Back in the days that there were only 2 characters

[robust hedge]

knowledge of the games mechanics, how to play etc, and knowledge of scrolls, ascensions and blessings gets you very far

[robust hedge]

yeah reincarnation is kinda easy lol

cuz it's so easy to make smth broken

[lucid nova]

It does but really all you need is t&g and thunder nemesis 1 and you basicly win

The blessings are fun tho so I dont rlly mind to much

[robust hedge]

yeah but thats a single character

and a single playstyle

[robust hedge]

real

[lucid nova]

Explosive hand, atomic bomb, need me to continue?

[robust hedge]

thunder and glory

nono you're right

I wasn't saying you're wrong

[lucid nova]

There are definity build that need knowledge tho

[robust hedge]

that's not what I meant either

I meant

well

in general

the builds you mentioned

also profit immensely from you knowing the game well

[lucid nova]

True

[robust hedge]

knowing what Blessings are op, what builds work, etc is part of that knowledge

[lucid nova]

Knowledge does reward a bunch

[robust hedge]

yes and a little skill doesnt hurt either

so if you just play the game for a decent while

you'll have both

and you'll be good at the game

doesn't take a turbonerd

that's what I think

[lucid nova]

Agreed

I have like 340hrs in the game and got a pb of 7:30(i think)

Also memorized everything in the game

Who else is here a proud owner of the game before 1million copies sold

[robust hedge]

jesus

my runs always take hours

I'm a slow player I can't lie

[robust hedge]

yessir

[robust hedge]

I think me perhaps, not sure?

[lucid nova]

Slow isnt bad, fast is just more fun imo

[lucid nova]

Do you have the frame?

[robust hedge]

yeah but I like wanna find every vault

and I take ages going around the maps and buying shit and whatever

im fast in combat tho

[robust hedge]

yuh

[lucid nova]

Normaly i do vaults aswel and my runs take around 30 ish mins but you skip em while speedrunning

[robust hedge]

I have 120smth

[robust hedge]

oh really

I didnt know that

[lucid nova]

120min????????

[robust hedge]

I knew that a certain vault in stage one can end your run

so I get that

but no extra scrolls at all?

you can even get ascensions from vaults in re

[robust hedge]

hours lol

[lucid nova]

Nope, just bosses, chests and sometimes challenge rewards

[robust hedge]

mm ok

I never knew

[lucid nova]

I might make a vid about the speedrun strats, they are pretty usefull in regular games aswel

[robust hedge]

I guess with blessings you can make a solid build fast anyway

[distant idol]

more vaults = more fun, can’t change my mind

[robust hedge]

but I wanna take my time

[robust hedge]

EXACTLYYY

this man gets it

[distant idol]

(especially multiplayer)

[robust hedge]

or woman

[robust hedge]

yessir

[lucid nova]

Yup, t&g + thunder nemesis+ magical supply+ rainbow is OP

[robust hedge]

uh

I guess

[lucid nova]

And fulminous zap if lucky

[robust hedge]

never used the rainbow on lei luo

[robust hedge]

mhm

I get what you use it for

dont worry

I understand how thats op

[lucid nova]

Explosive hand is very OP aswel, the only thing holding it back is that the cards require line of sight

[robust hedge]

mm

[distant idol]

like I don’t NEED deadly counter+fire enthusiast+Hawkeye sight+every other synergy scroll to win, but you know damn well I’m not passing up the possibility of getting those since they’re a blast to use

[robust hedge]

whats explosive hand

[lucid nova]

You should try speedrunning, its a nice refresher

[robust hedge]

yeah it's fun killing more stuff and getting more scrolls in return

[lucid nova]

Blessing

[distant idol]

did the timer achievements and then said I had enough (of the speed run side of things)

[robust hedge]

the thing is, I don't play the game to win fast, I play to make a fun build and then enjoy it for as long as possible

[distant idol]

speedrunning isn’t for everyone, that’s for sure

[robust hedge]

vaults give me both more time to enjoy it

aand a more fun build

[lucid nova]

Fair enough, the 100% is sexy

[lucid nova]

Its fun to see stuff die with minimal effort tho

[robust hedge]

im sure I won't be able to get them

[robust hedge]

for sure

[lucid nova]

I belive in you! You can do it!!!!

[robust hedge]

no dont

I'll only disappoint

[lucid nova]

You dont, start the grind

[robust hedge]

I see you play borderlands and wonderlands as well 👀👀

[lucid nova]

100% worth

[robust hedge]

maybe

[lucid nova]

Mhm i love those lootershooter games

[robust hedge]

yeah me too

[lucid nova]

Funny nuke builds on zane are so fun

[robust hedge]

lol

honestly

im playing a low level zane right now

and I know later on he has crazy builds

but atm he seems pretty lackluster to me

[lucid nova]

We should play together some time, im on vacation rn

[lucid nova]

Lemme dm you somethin

[robust hedge]

oh yeah for sure

im down for any borderlands, wonderlands or gfr

although on gfr I'll probably hold you up lmao

[lucid nova]

All good, my friends are slow af so im used to it

[robust hedge]

haha ok

that's good

[lucid nova]

He was happy with a 43min pb lol

[robust hedge]

Lmao

[lucid nova]

How much hrs do you have in gfr

[robust hedge]

like I said

120

smth

130, I just checked

[lucid nova]

Not bad

[robust hedge]

I'm a turbonerd you mean

[lucid nova]

Almost

120hrs would be a little early but possible

[robust hedge]

what do you mean

[lucid nova]

Have you tried a build with every character blessing?

And SA?

[robust hedge]

what does that mean lol

[robust hedge]

yeah ive done spiritual assault

[lucid nova]

Like the character unique blessings

For every character

Once you have done that ur in the giganerd gang

Idk tho, im not the one to decide if ur a giganerd or not

[robust hedge]

uhhh

not sure

probably not all

but a lot

[stuck bane]

We're talking about Pole, didn't know that, thanks for the info. :)

[stuck bane]

I said 50 min or so xD

btw are these bad times?

[fallen escarp]

If they're supposed to be for being fast, yes.

None of them even get the speedrun achievements.

[lucid nova]

Me when no clear under 10min :(

[stuck bane]

10 mins? damn

[robust hedge]

not if its your first time

[stuck bane]

First on elite and nightmare yes

[robust hedge]

see

then theyre decent

I think I took a lot longer on my first runs

[reef creek]

My first w on those took 43 and 41 respectively, those times are very good to me

[robust hedge]

yea

[reef creek]

My main issue with the statement is saying it took them 2 tries to beat Elite and Nightmare

However I didn't consider multiplayer, which multiple people told me is way easier than solo

[stuck bane]

i love playing solo

[small ledge]

same

[stuck bane]

specially rocking some metal music while i have my Illusion with ROF. that thing shreads hard

[small ledge]

I want to beat spiritual solo one day

[stuck bane]

what can be the worst thing that can happen xD

[fallen escarp]

The worst that can happen is you fuck up several choices then get your ass handed to you by several elites.

Yes, even as Nona with her 4th talent active, crazy as that sounds.

[stuck bane]

Sounds like fun

[fallen escarp]

That's the worst case though.

The mid case is you slaughter everything except elites.

The best case is you slaughter everything instantly.

[visual osprey]

Real

[robust hedge]

yes

no bad ping

[stuck bane]

^^

[robust hedge]

gameplay feels way smoother and better

you can do lone wolf and feel like a god

and you dont need to dps race

in multiplayer its usually that one or two people carry

and the rest can clean up after them honestly

but thats mostly in public lobbies

with friends it's another story ofc

[robust hedge]

god it's so hard

gluttony seems to have 100 billion health

[fallen escarp]

Only if you consistently miss the weak spots with non-explosive/melee/skill damage.

Gluttony has a massive damage reduction if you're not critting without the above options.

[robust hedge]

altanna

pls let it rest

not everything needs a smart comeback from you with in depth game analysis

to put it simply: I don't care

[small ledge]

Bro was just trying to help

Albeit not in the nicest vernacular

[fallen escarp]

Well it's not an uncommon problem, particularly with Gluttony.

The weak spots are obscure and the HUD doesn't clear much up unless you're observant.

So people naturally assume he's just tanky as fuck because their damage sucks and they can't find where to crit.

(Also if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted the outcome you're having.)

[visual osprey]

Based tbh

[lucid nova]

Gluttony is the coolest boss tbh

The only boss wich has attacks that are actually threatening

[pearl garden]

Every boss is threatening if you're taking a glue break at the wrong time

[lucid nova]

True those glue snacks making me slack sometimes

Also ima make some pll mad rn but frenzied shark is good

[pearl garden]

I've always liked it tbh. It's better than it used to be and Counterviolence is great with it.

Tried it with the one mag gemini which was weird but fine. Probably better with mag share and the spiritual link tho. But I will killing things.

[lucid nova]

And its fun to use

[wraith dome]

Just for the head up: We have prepared some new contents on 8.25 PC Gunfire Reborn.
Hope you guys enjoys it and give the team some feedbacks for further improvement!

[lucid nova]

Hmmmmm brick buff?????

[nimble flint]

concrete brick

it’s brick 2.0

[wraith dome]

Nah just thought u guys might love brick LOL

[nimble flint]

the brickening

dont trust him

trust me

bringer of bricks

https://tenor.com/view/brick-laying-fast-work-construction-bricks-viralhog-gif-13782293

[wraith dome]

We renew some acension of Qian Sui

and skills

[lucid nova]

Yippee

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-turtle-fight-lightsabers-gif-15507374

secret test footage

[wraith dome]

A new mode
and Reincarnation 9

[lucid nova]

Spoiler mayhaps??

Or a little teaser

[wraith dome]

I mean it's a free update, so

u can see it as a spoiler

[cobalt dock]

i was only expecting R9, cool!

[lucid nova]

Altanna is typing a essay again lol

[fallen escarp]

August 25th Update
• Brick
• RoF: 1.0 -> 3.0
• DMG: 330 -> 460
• CritX: 4.0x -> 4.5x
• Bonus CritX from picking up starlight: +2.0x -> +4.0x
• New effect: Crit kills after picking up starlight trigger a brick richochet to the nearest enemy (a brickochet if you will), dealing a guaranteed crit

Source: Trust me.

[wraith dome]

[lucid nova]

Hmm the brickochet sounds like an actual good idea

The only thing brick lacks is aoe

[wraith dome]

Indeed, that's a good advice

[wraith dome]

Duoyi should give you an offer

[lucid nova]

If those balance changes go live the game will explode lol

[fallen escarp]

I would say "Oh god what have I've done, I made the game easier", but then I consider I could secretly add nerfs to the game.

[lucid nova]

Or buff the enemies so players dont get upset about nerfs

[wraith dome]

I would love to see you do that LoL

[fallen escarp]

Too late for that I'm afraid.

Not much enemy buffs could handle what players get already.

Except like... invincibility shields, but no one likes those.

[lucid nova]

Give them a proper AI would help significantly

Like dodging or better accuracy

[fallen escarp]

Actually good idea.

If a Bandit Retainer sees a Li charging Spiritual Flame at them, they will repeatedly teleport without stopping.

Can't insta-kill what isn't there.

[lucid nova]

Sounds good to me

And when arsonist are about to have their barrel blown they run or throw it to you

[fallen escarp]

Dark-faced bandits no longer prioritize charging at you, which exposes their weak spot.

Instead they mostly fire explosive bullets at you, so any crit build takes forever.

[lucid nova]

And they get full auto

Also give penguins 150% more speed

[fallen escarp]

Elite Spearmen always starts the battle by buffing themselves, instead of when they lose their armor.

(Whoops, wrong dangerous elite)

[lucid nova]

Elite horsehead gets 50% dmg reduction

[fallen escarp]

75% if you're not critting.

[lucid nova]

Yep yep

Also enemies can get the teleporter affix and they teleport behind you. Bombers have a 50% chance of spawning with it

[fallen escarp]

Nihilation Monk always teleports behind you, and uses the purple orb attack instead of the lifesteal attack (unless you have Spirit Feline).

[lucid nova]

Hmm sounds a little broken

Give his orbs lifesteal aswel

[fallen escarp]

You're right. They also get +1 purple orbs after a teleport.

[lucid nova]

Yuup sounds alot more polished

Also for every tick of dmg they deal with aoe drain they get 2% dmg reduction for 5sec up to 80%

[fallen escarp]

Elusive, Thunderous and Elite Thunderous Stalkers now fire homing sniper shots.

[lucid nova]

And have 50% more RoF

Yo boltgun, you should add these buffs to r9 real quick

[fallen escarp]

Mountain Guards have a leap attack. According to Qing Yan, they need to be completely invulnerable to damage during it.

[lucid nova]

Yes yes, they have followed his crash course

Also polemonarch doesnt dash anymore, he teleports

[fallen escarp]

No, he leaps, also becoming completely invulnerable and getting an AoE hit on impact.

[lucid nova]

Hmm sounds OP af

He should release orbs on landing that track aswel

[fallen escarp]

Good call.

He also gets a 5 second invincibility shield at the start of the battle and after each aura jar is destroyed, to remove all chance of pesky instant kills.

[lucid nova]

If we are overtuned, enemies get slight buffs aswel

[fallen escarp]

But they're only as slight as the players, so it's perfectly fair!

[lucid nova]

Exactly

We dont want ppl raging

Also the desert worms acid balls are indestructible from now on and deal dmg on impact

[fallen escarp]

Wind God's tornadoes are also indestructible. In fact if they hit a sand trap it releases whirlwind projectiles everywhere.

And they all move faster too, to compensate for the existence of Overconsumption.

[lucid nova]

Nahhh thats to strong, when a tornado hits a windtrap it gains 50% larger aoe and 50% more speed

Also it deals 50% more dmg

Hmmm lu wu needs a little love aswel

Decrease his rock throw charge speed by 60%

[fallen escarp]

When he roars, he summons Elite Bombers from that suggestion in memes.

[lucid nova]

And they have a 100% chance to have the teleporting affix from above

[fallen escarp]

Golem doesn't summon rock pillars anymore.

[lucid nova]

He does but standing near it makes it expode with 30% true dmg

[fallen escarp]

Instead he just triggers explosions everywhere, as if the pillar exploded.

[lucid nova]

Good one.

[fallen escarp]

Abyssal Serpent always has 3 heads lunge in a trident formation, instead of a single head.

[lucid nova]

Nah gives to much hitboxes to hir

Hit

Only 1 head can be hit

[fallen escarp]

Similarly, 3 heads launch water balls which land in a triangle formation around the player, instead of 1 right where the player stands.

[lucid nova]

And the aoe is increased by 50%

[fallen escarp]

Yep. 50% and 3 are small numbers, so shouldn't be very difficult.

[mortal trench]

What time will tge update be tomorrow

[lucid nova]

Aight this sounds perfect for r9

[fallen escarp]

Certainly does. Will be a lot of pleased casual players who wanted extra things to do when playing.

[broken brook]

what will r9 offer?

Like any gimmicks or changes on enemy stats?

[fallen escarp]

Unknown at the moment.

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/nes-secret-zelda-gif-13088741

[broken brook]

maybe traps in the last 2 areas since they seem to be forgotten... I'm just sayin' this because having enchanted snowboots is useless past the desert level.

[robust hedge]

HUH

[distant idol]

immunity to corrosion slow is pretty nice from the regular snow boots, byea the enhanced ones don’t get too good of an additional effect

[nimble flint]

all slows

not only the corrosion debuff

[distant idol]

ye though the corrosion slow is the one that annoys me the most (since it is common)

[reef creek]

New Reincarnation has an ETA?

[queen citrus]

dark bandit room desert 3 enhanced snow boots is great. The room with all the bandit snipers in the back. That’s one of the tougher rooms on r8. Watched a dark bandit turn into... a dark bandit. Was not expecting it.

[weak quarry]

I like that event on the very tight map with the fire traps

"like"

[rotund plaza]

Qian Sui got a lot of "rewording" and a bit reworking.

[vapid crag]

Liking the new stuff, finally some spice to the enemies, however minimal.
Is Training Master using some of the Daily Challenge modifiers?

Curious how the roadmap ticked only the R9 line.
Is the new Dream not a fresh "game mode"? Are they actually making something new?

[mighty tide]

what's the new update about?

[thorny solar]

tortil

[broken brook]

AYYY Recarnation 9 B)

Cant wait to play. Wish it didnt come out so late.

[fallen escarp]

I see Turtle got majority buffs. Surprised he actually got nerfs to a few things, though.

[mighty tide]

hope steam patch notes get updated soon

[vapid crag]

||im so glad random spawn elites are back for r9|| this is a cool update so far

[fallen escarp]

Turtle changes, categorized by what I think are buffs, nerfs or other stuff:

Buff
• Tidal Aspis skill, now does punch and weapon damage on retract by default.
• Wild Punch talent, now recovers dash cooldown with punches.
• Mighty Stream, Now recovers shield duration with hurtles.
• Wave-breaking Blow, maximum punches and damage per punch increased.
• Tidal Rhythm, now increases movement speed, and stacks all bonuses based on Fist Sensation.
• Libra Warrior, DMG bonus increased.

Nerf
• Unbearable Hurtle, enemy debuffs reduced.
• Irrepressible Surge, now gives 2 temporary hurtles instead of 2s of infinite hurtles.
• Dark Tide, capacity and chance to recover uses reduced.

Mixed
• Rogue Wave, DMG bonus at lv3 increased, but no longer grants Fist Sensation on hurtle.
• Wave Rider, DMG bonus no longer scales, but movement speed bonus stacks higher.

Complete Change
• Unshielded Force talent, replaced with cooldown on punch due to original effect being default.
• White Water, no longer outright reflects attacks. Instead creates shockwaves periodically, including when hit.
• Unfathomable Ocean, no longer increases max shield. Now increases Hurtle base damage.
• Battle Adrenaline, now give a chance Aspis retraction to crit with weapon hit
• Concussive Current, now increases Aspis retraction damage.
• Ebb & Flow, now increases max shield based on Fist Sensation stacks.

And then there's some other stuff, like Formidable Aspis, Hostile Gift, Stormy Riptide, Backfire and Lucky Fist being replaced with entirely new ascensions/blessings.

I will say though, it's funny that Dominating Fist is now an ascension, and is equally useless there.

But that's a buff, given you could just ignore it and it got replaced by

[Power of the Ocean] When "Fist Sensation" reaches 15/40/80 stacks, gain "Power of the Ocean" status for 3s. During status duration, "Fist Sensation" stacks don't decrease, and each punch extends duration by 1s, up to 3s.

Man, Birb is crying in his sleep right now, dreaming of the day he could receive this luxurious treatment.

[glad iris]

rip hostile gift

Airbag got...buffed?

[fallen escarp]

Looks like barely a buff.

You can use Persistent and Berserk Soul faster.

[distant idol]

wait is lucky roulette like just

not good now

or am I insane

wait I'm insane. misread it.

2am moment

[fallen escarp]

That's the monster effect.

I will say that this monster effect:
[Iron Circuit]
When getting injured, excess DMG above Total Max HP will be reduced, and 70% of remaining DMG will be shared with other carriers.

Sounds like a joke.

[glad iris]

I don't understand fish or bear paw

[fallen escarp]

You give them a legendary scroll and what do they get? Damage reduction when you deal enough damage to have already killed them, then said excess damage is spread to their friends.

Just like Extravagant Consumption. Devs probably thought it was a cursed scroll.

[fallen escarp]

Uh... If I had to guess...

There is chance to deal reduced damage and hit twice, instead of guaranteed?

And the chance... increases? based on how many projectiles fired in the shot.

Hah! Explosive Bullets got gutted! Does 50% damage instead of 100%.

[glad iris]

sanguine and fire enthusiast lifesteal got nerfed.

[fallen escarp]

And lifesteal has (sort of) been addressed, finally.

Sanguine Relic and Fire Enthusiast now recover lost total HP instead of recovering a % of damage dealt.

With a cooldown, so it's not spammable.

Resolute got even more polarizing. +50% damage instead of +25%, but now it's 300% shield recovery delay instead of 200%.

Ah, that's the in-game description.

So you got a 100% chance to double hits and reduce damage, but it gets lowered for every projectile in the shot.

So shotguns get less doubled effects.

And for the enhanced version where the penalty is -20% DMG, they also receive less damage bonus as well.

Hah, lol. If my calculations are correct, Xing Zhe with Weapon Mastery and a Porcupine will render Fish or Bear Paw completely useless.

[small ledge]

Brickochet, you say?

Sounds like my kind of update

[violet kiln]

Isn't it a buff since we went from weapon base damage to weapon damage?
It starts worse but it should get stronger as soon as you surpass 100% weapon damage bonus from scrolls/ascensions, and given the multipliers we get later in the game it's not even close

[small ledge]

Just read through the patch notes

the idea of fighting Gluttony in the normal game scares me

[fallen escarp]

Maybe so. Really depends if that description is accurate.

If it shows true damage, well we'll know.

[somber solar]

How will that affect your life mission to beat Gluttony with only 2 s?

[fallen escarp]

Probably not as scary as you think.

[upper dome]

bro is a stone (new bizarre dream npc)

[fallen escarp]

You get more ascensions, scrolls and better blessings in the normal game.

[small ledge]

That is such a raw character design good God

Honestly some of the ally/vendor NPCs would make badass Hero characters

[small ledge]

Honestly, I've never fought Gluttony solo, so we'll have to see

[cobalt dock]

Sui sounds different

CA sui is gone atleast

Aspis Slam

[fallen escarp]

They mean retraction.

Just like Fierce Charge means Hurtle.

[small ledge]

what is CA sui?

[fallen escarp]

Concealed Ammo with Qian Sui.

Hostile Gift had the absurd ability to recover a % of your maximum reserve ammo.

Concealed Ammo uses a boatload of reserve ammo.

[small ledge]

ohhhh

[nimble flint]

Technically it uses magazine 100% and by proxy reserve

Bao have mercy upon us should it ever drain the full reserve instead

[fallen escarp]

I mean, you can almost achieve that with Rainbow Arch, now.

[nimble flint]

Imagine if weapon skills were affected by Depot

ammo belt depot CA

1.5k Ammo-Splosion

[rotund plaza]

yeah I like it and I hate it at the same time

less mass sucking but double hydro pumps

[vapid crag]

Can you not suck at all now in dual wield? It's always jets?

[rotund plaza]

jet whenever they have any energy before shooting

if no energy then suck until you release

which kinda controllable for me

jet them all before you enter new room

[vapid crag]

Not that bad of a setup from the sound of it.

[rotund plaza]

yeah a little adjustment and now I'm good with them

[cobalt dock]

Explosive Bullet

it lives!

[obsidian sun]

I wish more weapons would be adjusted for dual wield

[cobalt dock]

Brick Sui doesn't crit 😦

[rotund plaza]

where my dual wheel saw

yah

first run

[cobalt dock]

i just got a random elite spawn in 2-1 R9

not seen that in years

im so fast

https://i.imgur.com/p9xnX11.png

[fallen escarp]

Does anyone else get 5 elite arsonists from a LW4 elite gathering, or am I just really unlucky?

[nimble flint]

had something like that once so it really can be that annoying

worse is only quad lobster…

[reef creek]

Why did no one tell me the penguins resummon their steeds

[cobalt dock]

could we bring back Hurtle?

i dislike Fierce Charge

[fallen escarp]

I plan to with an issue post.

Especially since older remaining descriptions still say Hurtle.

Huh...

Well that was an Elite Invasion with 2 elites.

Not an Elite Gathering.

Hmm... I don't think I was extremely unlucky with the 5 elite arsonists earlier.

Because I just got 5 elite hermits this time.

[rotund plaza]

got that on my run

luckily I have enough DPS to spawnkill one by one

with double hydro pumps XD

[quasi arrow]

same

[vapid crag]

so did they just forget it says "new weapons" on the road map?

[quasi arrow]

Eight octopuses appeared on the Yoruhime-Maru... LW4

[fallen escarp]

Yoruhime-Maru on the last stage on R9 has decided to use his most powerful attack yet!

Staring menacingly in the hopes you suffer a fright-induced heart attack!

Yeah... that one's going into issues.

[cobalt dock]

https://i.imgur.com/zpYBG3s.png

gonna try again later

[weak quarry]

numbers numbers

[pearl garden]

Uh. . . what?

So wait is this based on total damage now? I read this and thought it was a nerf but am now noticing the lack of "base."

[nimble flint]

We had several instances in the psst where those were translation errors as someone thought it would be interchangeable

we have to see

[pearl garden]

If it's a nerf I'll cry. But I doubt they'd nerf that.

So I gotta assume it's more damage just unsure on how.

[quasi arrow]

What can I say, the damage now needs a little more than on the R8. So, Lee will now be able to stack hundreds of billions of damage not in 20 hours, but in 10.

[fallen escarp]

You underestimate what they will do.

Remember, they nerfed Frenzied Shark.

[fallen escarp]

2 elite thunderous stalkers + 1 elite mandrill cavalry, 2 elite mandrill cavalrys and then 5 elite mandrill cavalrys, all annihilated.

Once again, the hard part proves to be... the start of the run.

R9 did absolutely nothing to stop me from steamrolling once I got going.

[lucid nova]

Sounds about what i expected

Unless they inrease hp by 100000% wich could be interesting

No more li one shots

[somber solar]

August 32nd Update:

• According to our stats, Li has become too hot and too powerful. To mitigate this, we changed her base Element DMG to Water to cool her down.
• Li's ascension [Firefox Blessing] was changed to [Waterfox Cursing]
• New Element DMG [Water] and new Elemental Effect [Soaked]
• [Water] DMG is effective against invincible health, but only deals 25% damage to other defense types
• [Soaked] will make the affected unit (including heroes) run away in embarrassment.
• [Burn] and [Soaked] will inflict fusion effect [Dried], which will remove both effects.
• Qian Sui overhaul: All of his Skill DMG will now deal Water DMG

I stole Altanna's thing :3

[robust hedge]

no shit sherlock

sorry for saying it like that

but that was always pretty obvious no?

and isnt that how the game is supposed to be?

people want to be weak and then find cool stuff and get stronger

and have that feel of growth

thats how its supposed to be

[fallen escarp]

No.

Reincarnation didn't start like that. The benefits to the player were relatively tame and the higher levels were actually hard from start to finish (or at least it didn't devolve into an instant-kill fiesta).

[reef creek]

Why David has so much animosity towards Altanna tho

[cursive creek]

he said sorry for saying it like that, I don't think he was

[fallen escarp]

"-50% primary skill cooldown" or "+150% weapon and skill DMG, -20% DMG Taken and +2% HP recovery/s when not Dual-Wielding" were genuinely considered good blessings back then.

Now though we've got damage caps of +1000% just to stop blessings from being excessively extremely overpowered, instead of just overpowered.

[tardy bramble]

so new update just pretty much removed almost every big source for life steal?

[somber solar]

btw, @fallen escarp, can you please react to my funny patchnotes, cause it gives me ego power when you do :3

[fallen escarp]

Haha funny patch notes.

[fallen escarp]

Yep, because lifesteal was overpowered.

[tardy bramble]

understandable, have a nice day

[somber solar]

I wonder, does Vlad's Dream Daily Challenge's lifesteal is also changed? Cause it looks like everythingabout lifesteal is changed to be a fixed HP gain.

(we won't know until it comes up i guess)

[fallen escarp]

Probably not, because that's never going to hit the absurdity that other lifesteal can.

[nimble flint]

Its a step in the right direction

making the life gain independent of the dmg dealt

partially

[fallen escarp]

Not enough damage scaling or momentum in Vlad's Dream.

[pearl garden]

Life steal was OP for sure but with how HP works in this game I wonder if making it worse will highlight HP tanking as even more of a problem.

Guess there's solutions there--Ao Bai has a few baked into his kit. Other characters have scrolls/better shields.

[somber solar]

Solution:
Just take Paranormality as

And take many armor boosting/inv-frame ascensions.

[lofty bay]

this is an update of all time

also

[vapid crag]

Well, Gluttony on R9 didn't appear any different from his SA version.

[split plinth]

oh gunfire got updated

oh my god turtle mains (including me) eating GOOD this update

uh anyone else's game rlly slow this update?

ok i srsly cant play its 1 fps this update

dunno wth happened

[somber solar]

me when i can't even play Gunfire until monday

[split plinth]

man I really wanted to play gunfire

this updated i dropped to 1fps on the menu

was fine last update

[cursive creek]

I was also getting some fps issues in very specific areas

not that bad but would go to 40 fps when looking towards certain areas, and yes I turned everything to low and even bumped my resolution down, it never did this before which is unfort

[split plinth]

same thing happening?

ie even during the roadmap n stuff fps is rlly bad?

[quasi arrow]

my FPS has increased, and the GPU heats up to 80 degrees

[split plinth]

lemme try again

well i might as well just wait a few days

[spice wave]

Reincarnation 9 is easy af

[sacred tangle]

I need clarification on this, what the FUCK is "Shockwave" on Qian Sui. I'm a main, and even after reading through the notes I still have no idea what this is

[mortal trench]

nona reincarnation 9 is easy af

[sacred tangle]

from what I can infer only through reading the notes again, Backfire was removed and the AoE effect may or may not have been integrated into base Aspis, can anyone confirm if that second part is correct or not

[somber solar]

From what the blue people (like Altanna) told us, [Shockwave] is the new name for Aspis retraction?

[sacred tangle]

weird

[somber solar]

Only 50% sure of it tho

[sacred tangle]

don't know why they made all these sweeping changes to the names of abilities and didn't update everything else to keep things consistent

because from what I've seen, this also buffs aspis retraction now and yet it's called "Aspis Slam"

[somber solar]

how to tell the translation team is inconsistent

[sacred tangle]

oh trust me I know they have more than a few occasional hiccups, but this is the hardest I've been hit by that knowledge in quite some time now

I'm sure it'll be corrected, eventually. Still really confusing even or maybe especially as a longtime turtle main lol

[wise oasis]

We should simply become fluent in Mandarin

[spice mist]

what is fierce charge

[vapid crag]

finna cop da game and its dlc rn looks fire

[tropic mesa]

Gotta say, the difference between Steam comments and Discord comments appears to be an abyss. lol
On Steam people are complaining HARD, here... everyone seems more than fine with the changes?

OK, maybe not "everyone seems fine with it", but from what I read the community here seems more... chilled out about them?

[cobalt dock]

it comes from another ascension

Backfire

[sacred tangle]

Hurtle

they renamed it for some reason

[sacred tangle]

figured it was Backfire, still just weird wording all around

[cobalt dock]

Aspis Slam baby

that makes more sense atleast, hope petition to get Hurtle back goes through

[split plinth]

well from a bit of turtle gameplay on r9

i feel like its an overall nerf tbh

especially since they removed stormy riptide which allowed you to extend tidal aspis time

also

[ember lintel]

what does iron wings melee mode scale off of? is it only the ascensinos? or can i boost it with weapon/skill dmg

[cobalt dock]

Skill dmg

[valid zephyr]

R9 pretty fun got gluttony at the end

[pearl garden]

So for those that have tried the new update, how are we feeling. Been busy with other stuff.

[somber solar]

I wish i can try out the new update, but cannot until monday.

it makes me

[fallen escarp]

R9 solves virtually nothing difficulty-wise. Turtle got buffed/nerfed though I lean towards buffed. Lifesteal scrolls got nerfed to no longer keep you alive through almost anything.

Oh and a new Bizarre Dream that adds tasks with penalties for the player to complete for buffs after, but the tasks are sorta easy so it's basically just a buff.

[pearl garden]

Lifesteal nerfs make Ao Bai even more polarizing but, well, nothing new. Would imagine the tasks are kept easy to prevent player complaints on them being too unfair.

Turtle changes surprised me. With all the new content since 1.0 release I think people forget how overtuned Turtle's numbers were/are. I'd imagine it's still like that just in different flavors.

's Reversed buff seems nice.

[fallen escarp]

To put some of the new things Turtle has into perspective, he's now got a blessing that lets him pause the decay of Fist Sensation stacks.

He's also got a bunch of reworked ascensions that gain power from Fist Sensation stacks, including the +% Max Shield one.

[cobalt dock]

Hurtle is now a skill

[pearl garden]

Doesn't that make his border achievement trivial

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[cobalt dock]

correct

[fallen escarp]

The Aspis retracting attack now does both punch damage and your weapon's damage by default. Don't need a talent for the former, and don't need a blessing for the latter.

[pearl garden]

Is Libra Warrior different besides numbers?

[cobalt dock]

the 300% total dmg from the blessing can't be forgoten tho

[fallen escarp]

No.

[cobalt dock]

Libra peaks harder now

[pearl garden]

I forget if we found LW to be more than just Rogue Wave

[fallen escarp]

Yes, though the retracting attack itself now has ascensions.

[cobalt dock]

I like Slam

[fallen escarp]

So you might not even need the blessing to achieve the power it had.

[cobalt dock]

was normal Enduring caster just HP?

[fallen escarp]

Current HP + Shield/Armor.

[split plinth]

though i find that one of the ascensions that buffed move speed and you gained dmg from move speed helped give turtle more emphasis into the "fast" idea

[cobalt dock]

im quite sure you could not dash in a dash before, you can while hurtling

[split plinth]

i still miss stormy riptide

[fallen escarp]

You understand that Wave Rider now gives even more speed, right?

Also Tidal Rhythm now increases damage AND movement speed based on your Fist Sensation stacks, which you get based on how fast you're moving.

[split plinth]

i liked near perma aspis as long as you punched

[cobalt dock]

you have perma aspis as long as you dash

[fallen escarp]

Stormy Riptide was added to a talent and an ascension. His 3rd talent now recovers cooldown when punching without a shield, and Mighty Stream recovers duration when hurtling with the shield.

You didn't lose it, it was just added to existing things, buffing them.

[pearl garden]

Brb changing dash to left click and setting up an auto clicker

[pearl garden]

News on this? I recall we thought Rogue Wave was literally it for Libra Warrior but then it was thought to be misinformation. I'm confused on what counts.

[cobalt dock]

Rouge wave is now more from 20% to 25%

but the duration is on a new one

you can also get Dominating Fist as a ascension

[fallen escarp]

Not that you'd want to.

[cobalt dock]

its fine for Hurtle Blessing only

[fallen escarp]

Walking around normally with no movement speed buffs probably does better than Dominating Fist 2.

[pearl garden]

Why walk when you can dash

[fallen escarp]

Exactly, which makes it look even worse.

[cobalt dock]

surprised it has no caveat at III as it just gives 25.

[pearl garden]

3 characters now have "move around and win" builds. Assuming Nona afk counts.

[fallen escarp]

Devs must've thought based on the previous blessing, 20 was really powerful. So 25 must've been god-tier.

[cobalt dock]

i forgot it was 20 and not 25 lol

[pearl garden]

💀

So you're all saying this is another Backpack Expansion moment

[fallen escarp]

Not quite.

The extra fist sensation stacks does actually help.

[pearl garden]

I guess BE III has a mechanic.

[fallen escarp]

But it's dogwater compared to literally anything else.

Especially with the extra movement speed, dash distance, dash cooldown and stack decay pausing bonuses he now has access to.

[pearl garden]

I'm shook they added decay pause.

[cobalt dock]

https://i.imgur.com/UXOtn6O.png

i have no dash things basicly

[pearl garden]

Athena in Pre Sequel had to at least swap to a cryo weapon to pause her stacks.

And that window wasn't much.

[cobalt dock]

i do like 6 charges of goblet refresh

[cobalt dock]

no joggers

https://i.imgur.com/Xh4WYuA.png

https://i.imgur.com/pu1M7sD.png

[fallen escarp]

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Actually if you think about it, it is. He becomes nigh-unkillable and punches everything really hard, but everyone else on your team kills the enemies before you can reach them.

[somber solar]

play the game on solo then lol

[prime walrus]

Hello there

anybody know what is punching intent is

for this one

[fallen escarp]

Fist Sensation.

[prime walrus]

that one right? hmm interesting

i'm quite confused about Qian Sui changes not sure is it better or worst yet

[sacred tangle]

He’s had quite a few of his movement speed buff ascensions spanked down and his tanking options are now limited to the new Ebb & Flow and “just Aspis, dummy”

almost feels like he needs movement scrolls now more than ever

however Aspis and punching in general got a lot stronger since stacking Fist Sensation seems to be easier, and Power of the Ocean (from my experience at least) is super fuckin busted

[prime walrus]

just start game with him and take 50% dash cooldown reducing blessing and first scroll is 50% dash cooldown reducing one XD

[sacred tangle]

if anything refreshing for Power of the Ocean is almost a prerequisite now for how good it is

[prime walrus]

hmm does the scrool that make you immune after 3 dash have cooldown

or do you just become perma immune with this

[sacred tangle]

I don’t think so

oh yeah, and Wave Breaking Blow got changed to no longer consume extra shells for more punches, so that’s nice

[prime walrus]

also yesterday we went reincarnation 9 and i went with monkey one i forget his name XD i find cool build that using wild shotgun that allow you keep shooting with no ammo and with items that allow you regen hp on damage taken plus 100% crit all the time

also i have a cool mouse that solve issues come with you have to constantly click weapons like wild hunt

it have a third button when hold, it constantly spam left click XD

soo no Carpal tunnel syndrome happen XD

bloody hell what is Fierce Charge

who translate this game

[nimble flint]

Steam is a cesspool of toxicity and elitism

Here we have actual discussions about things and if someone is an asshole and starts behaving like a piece of shit ?

[tropic mesa]

Fair enough.

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-flynn-preparing-the-plank-plank-walk-the-plank-gif-23895008

[tropic mesa]

"Allow me to show you the exit."
"But... this door goes off a cl-" *Spartan kick*

[nimble flint]

yes

[fallen escarp]

Oh jesus christ I just realized Turtle's spiritual link Aqua Formation had its requirements changed.

Requires Ebb and Flow and now Backfire.

Aqua Formation gives +100 Max Shield.

Ebb and Flow is now the multiplicative Max Shield bonus and can go way further than old Unfathomable Ocean ever could.

Backfire 3 gives bonus Hurtle/Shockwave DMG based on your Max Shield.

Result: Massive shield bonus, multiplied massively then converted into bonus damage.

[tropic mesa]

LOL!
Meanwhile, Steam users: "OMG, THEY NERFED THE TURTLE!"

OK, last time. I'll stop picking on Steam users.

[fallen escarp]

Lol. His Breaker of Ocean and Alaksana Fist spiritual links also use the same ascension, Wave Rider.

Gonna pop that one into issues, because I don't think that was deliberate.

[quasi arrow]

In any case you can try DXVK. This could improve your FPS as Vulkan will be used. However, if developers made mistakes in the DX11 implementation, this won't help

[mortal trench]

R9 makes reincarnation harder than nightmare

I think

[fallen escarp]

Nah, it's still the same as reincarnation 8.
Painful act 1 and 2 but with more pain, curbstomping act 3 and 4 but with more enemies to curbstomp.

Pick Painkiller Cat and you don't even notice the difference except when fighting bosses.

Well, you might see some more elites, too.

[vapid crag]

can somebody share a good cat and lei luo build?

[quasi arrow]

Here you go

[vapid crag]

what site is that

[quasi arrow]

the localhost:3000

WIP, I think I will deploy it to the public domain at the beginning of next month

[fallen escarp]

I approve, this is a functional build.

[bright quest]

so is this update going to be in 2 parts

[reef creek]

Lmao

[nimble flint]

What are you using ? I have no issue with mine

I use a U-Phoriua UM2 and AT 2020 and have 0 issue

THERE is your issue

fucking 11

Causes more issues than its worth

[quasi arrow]

From what I can see, there seem to be compatibility issues between your hardware and Windows 11. https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/4403683106066-Focusrite-product-compatibility-with-Windows-11

[nimble flint]

As I said , 11 is the issue

[split plinth]

ok ima be real turtle is more confusing than owl rn with how many different words they added

this is coming from a turtle main

[fallen escarp]

Translation fuckups.

[split plinth]

im gonna have to relearn turtle with how much they changed his kit

[fallen escarp]

Aspis's Slam = retracting attack
Shield Swinging = retracting attack
Fierce Charge = Hurtle
Shockwave = AoE from Backfire
Punching Intent = Fist Sensation

[split plinth]

💀

owl 100% had a role in the translation for turtle stuff

[somber solar]

💬 "Hoot."
💬 "You're hired!"

[tacit belfry]

R9 was tough with some bosses (first R9 run tho)

[glad iris]

I feel like if I play R9 I'mma just be disappointed.

[tacit belfry]

It's harder than R8 (well ofc lol) but the buff is more fun to play against (imo)

[glad iris]

The thing is, I don't find R8 hard.

At least not anymore.

It was tuned down.

[tacit belfry]

We had multiple elite invasions in each room (sometimes 3 times per act)

It was harder than R8 for me at least but very fun and challanging to do

[split plinth]

ok so

I admit i am wrong ab the turtle changes

feels much more akin to a buff

and got a nigh perfect run with him

i was so close to 1.5 billion tho

time to try out his other blessings

now that he actually has build variety apart from punch and tsunami punch

[fallen escarp]

Everyone thought Turtle got nerfed 5 seconds after the update notes were posted.

[split plinth]

yeah i did too

[fallen escarp]

Only a few people actually read them properly and saw them for what they were.

[split plinth]

tbf turtles kit was really simple so i got an information overload after seeng what they did

[fallen escarp]

The primary skill got buffed by absorbing a talent and part of a blessing, some ascensions got absorbed into other ascensions and talents (with minimal or no nerf compensation), weak blessings got replaced by strong ones.

Only a few things actually got nerfed, but other new ascensions make up for that.

[split plinth]

well now i can actually do a dash build

last time i tried it was horrible

doing a run w/ the new blessing planned stage 2 so ill see how it is

[fallen escarp]

Oh yeah that too. Reflection builds completely replaced by Hurtle builds, with an actual foundation built around it.

Not that reflection builds ever truly worked well, due to relying on enemies.

[split plinth]

best thin imo is that ebb and flow got old unfathomable ocean absorbed

and with the new blessing that replaced dominating fist you can get ubsurdly high shield numbers and regen

[fallen escarp]

So overall, a few things were made weaker, but a lot of things were just added to other stuff, and the new gaps were filled stronger than ever.

[split plinth]

there were nerfs but the amount of actual build variety now is better tbh

[fallen escarp]

Birb could only dream of stuff like this. All he got was total reliance on blessings to do Armor Break builds.

[split plinth]

i just needed gametime to actually experience it

[split plinth]

now we need birb buffs

[fallen escarp]

Oh, I suppose Birb did get small buffs here and there and 1 actually powerful build (tied to a blessing, of course).

But he lost a build if you don't have the blessing to make it.

[fallen escarp]

That's probably not gonna happen.

Given how Birb already received similar to what Turtle just did.

Devs probably think both heroes have been fixed, job done, despite the fact one hero who was already better than the other got better buffs too.

If another hero gets their stuff reworked, I'd imagine it would be Dog next.

[split plinth]

has there been any other mass ascension/talent changes similar to turtle in the past?

like changing nearly everything ab the ascensions and talents

[fallen escarp]

Well the above mentioned Birb.

Oh wait, yes. Cat got a bunch changed in early access.

Energy Echo was a level 3 bonus for Pyrodominance, Energy Bolt was split into 2 ascensions and had a penalty, Smoke Genius didn't exist, Advanced Shield was in the Smoke ascension group, Acidic Explosion was in the Element ascension group, Toxic Smoke had a penalty, Elemental Shield also increased max HP.

I'm sure I'm missing some context, but there was definitely a variety of changes.

[nimble flint]

Smoke screen blessing was an ascension

[fallen escarp]

Oh yes, Cover Smoke.

[nimble flint]

His talents stayed wierdly enough

for better and worse

[fallen escarp]

The names of half of them got changed, and Contingency Plan somewhat recently got buffed to include recharge delay.

Granted it wasn't at the same time as all the other stuff, but.

Mystic Guard is still directly inferior to Agile Titan, btw.

Man, Backpack Expansion is so pathetic nowadays.

Directly inferior to Unceasing Blaze, Card Printer, Force Recovery and now technically Dark Tide (yes I know Dark Tide was better before, but you also had higher consumption, unless Wave-breaking Blow still has increased consumption currently).

[sacred tangle]

I mean fair enough, look on page 4, my bitchy comment from before I actually got my hands on new turtle is still there
too lazy to take it down now I guess

[glad iris]

R9 should have just been a bizzare dream modifier.

[sacred tangle]

it's mostly because official posts on Steam forums don't exactly facilitate conversation as much as it does impulsively hocking shit at the wall because the devs of most games generally choose not to respond

[sacred tangle]

what's the whole deal with that anyways, never played anything above like 3 lol

[fallen escarp]

Brb posting a reply to your comment saying exactly how wrong you are.

[sacred tangle]

oh trust me I'd deserve it lmao

[fallen escarp]

Nah. R9 is the closest thing we have to a Bizarre Dream modifier that purely makes the game harder.

If it really was a Bizarre Dream, you can almost guarantee the devs would've shoehorned in some "compensation" for the extra difficulty.

[glad iris]

Just fought 5 elite mandrils

needless to say all five are dead.

[fallen escarp]

Like every 50 enemies and every boss drops a scroll or something.

[glad iris]

I can't imagine how R9 would be like without lone wolf. I only do LW 4P for more enemies, I just find it too easy without it....

[split plinth]

i forgot what its like without lone wolf

i like lone wolf cause it gives more enemies and elites

also free 4th blessing

[glad iris]

Less things to worry about.

[reef creek]

I also play LW4 but... all I'm getting is marginally more money and souls, right?

There ain't no real benefit from LW2 to 4, right?

[fallen escarp]

More enemies, more copper and kill stacks.

Can be easier or harder, depending on who you're using and what you're aiming for.

For example if you're Qing Yan with Easy Kill, or you find Dual-edge, it's great!

[split plinth]

dash turtle is funy

going as far back as you can to build up fist stacks and obliterate a walrus

[fallen escarp]

But if you're something else like Thunderbolt Lei Luo, it's not as great.

[reef creek]

Painkiller Cat lmao

[fallen escarp]

I don't believe Painkiller Cat would care much about LW number differences.

Well, besides the Elite Gathering events where Manipulation is useless and Miasma is less effective.

[split plinth]

so turtle aspis can crit baseline now?

thats nice cause i can actually go a crit aspis build in multiplayer

[weary lintel]

H O W

[split plinth]

new turtle

lower of Ocean+punch alot = lots of fist sensation stacks

[lavish raven]

double break the ice run on owl

[kind void]

@fallen escarp I've been having connection issues since the update, game wont reconnect me after I lose connection to the server, happens when I'm hosting as well. It's never done this before, any idea what's going on?

[reef creek]

Just fought Gluttony for the first time and it was actually disappointing

[upbeat drift]

Both are dissapointing at the end of a run

[bold fulcrum]

Thought that's always been an issue.
Friend of mine has bad internet and before update game wouldn't let him reconnect even when I was host

Honestly a sucky feeling when that happens

[kind void]

my connection is great it just drops for a few seconds every now and then, nothing wrong with my connection as far as I can tell

[reef creek]

On Reincarnation, I agree. The first time I fought prime minister was on my returning run on Elite and he smoked me hard

[upbeat drift]

polar monarch

[reef creek]

P.M.
Prime Minister

[upbeat drift]

Sure, cover it up

[reef creek]

That... was a joke....

[upbeat drift]

I understand, me saying that is a joke as well

sarcasm

[reef creek]

Shit, zoomed past me

[delicate blaze]

just hopped in to say thanks for making such a fantastic game!, just finished up the "Temporary Close" achievement, ton of fun

spamming normal runs for the fiddler crab achievement was my least favorite

[reef creek]

What the hell, this was so much stronger than spores

How did I get two million single hit damage with this

[cobalt dock]

you have good inscriptions

[weary lintel]

yeah lol

easiest way to do it is with firefox, but if you don't have the dlc then its super annoying to grind haha

[split plinth]

i unironically wish you could choose to fight gluttony or pole monarch

i like pole monarch more cause hes not overwhelmingly massive

[fallen escarp]

Pole Monarch also has Mysterious Jokul bonuses. I didn't notice anything different with Gluttony besides the extra HP.

Then again I also finished him off relatively quickly despite the -80% skill damage from the challenge event, so I didn't get a good look...

[split plinth]

cant wait when they add reincarnation 10 and every enemy is pole monarch

oh yeah and you move 2% slower

cause why not

[fallen escarp]

They add it as a Bizarre Dream, and compensate you by having every Pole Monarch enemy drop a scroll or goblet.

[small ledge]

I would fuck with Reincarnation X being a complete randomizer

[reef creek]

It was very late so I didn't think or ask around this but does this "highest single damage" mean any particular number that pops up or if a yellow number hit triggers the purple and red number they all count together as "single damage"?

[fallen escarp]

It means any particular number that pops up, except instant kill numbers.

[tawdry sun]

The most elemental fire tower.

[grand tendon]

any new leaks for the new dlc?

[lunar bridge]

any what? i don't think leaks are a thing here? :V?

[pearl garden]

This feels like a sandbox mode drop. It's beautiful--Crown Prince is salivating.

Personally I'd want the Fierce prefix instead, but Elemental isn't bad either.

[proud shale]

it's in reincarnation, it is a sandbox drop

[tawdry sun]

||You could consider it a sandbox drop. I've been crafting it over several runs through Transcendent Arsenal, inscription rerolls, and occult chests.||
Personally prefer the consistency of elemental procs.

[pearl garden]

My thinking is on Painkiller Prince you can basically guarantee elemental procs with a gemini anyways but again doesn't hurt to have 83% on the actual sword either.

It's not like that sword is gonna struggle for damage with its checks notes at least 10 damage

Ez bonks

[tawdry sun]

Hmm... does triggering elemental effect with off-hand gemini count towards the elemental proc inscription?

[pearl garden]

I believe it does but I have no proof and could be incorrect. Either way, it's likely to get a proc within 6 seconds to maintain the stacks and with how much damage that sword will output I doubt you're gonna have to rely on stacks for one shots.

Guess it just depends if you want max stacks faster while decimating the room.

[tawdry sun]

I'll keep elemental for now, until confirmation.
It's also more thematic to the weapon.

[little vortex]

I kinda did a thing..

[cobalt dock]

peak FT

had a peak Star Devour at some point

[zinc frigate]

What do you guys think of the new Fish or Bear Paw change? 🤔 I'm not sure I understand what would make this scroll that strong now

https://i.imgur.com/4ZuZ00U.png

[lofty needle]

I like it

its more viable on every weapon nwo

[cobalt dock]

its nerfed

[lofty needle]

yea but it makes sense to use it on other weapons instead of exclusively the shotguns

[fallen escarp]

Unenhanced version was brought back to around its original power, while the enhanced version actually got buffed with weapons that don't have high projectiles, and nerfed for those that do.

[inland moss]

Hello, I have beated the game several times already but since when does Glutony spawn in reincarnation? is it a new thing?

[glad iris]

Since last patch

[inland moss]

alright thanks.

[sacred tangle]

I'd tell you if I could even understand what the new wording on the scroll even means

it's still probably good - there's no real decrease in damage, and when it does proc it's just an extra free tick for your on-hit effects

[zinc frigate]

Yea, that's pretty much how I read it too. Seems more like a normal scroll than a legendary, but there could be some great combo I'm not seein'

[sacred tangle]

honestly just the nerf in damage from -40% to -50% would've been more than enough, this (1-3.5% Current Projectiles)% bit is the part I don't understand

partially because of poor translation, partially because giving it only a chance to proc (rather than it being an always-active scroll that changes the way you play) probably no longer justifies its place as a legendary,

partially because I'm bad at math

[cobalt dock]

the more projectiles the weapon has the less likely it is to trigger twice

[sacred tangle]

so like, lower clip size or projectiles per shot

[split plinth]

does counterviolence not affect aspis slams weapon part anymore

[bold fulcrum]

is there a way to check how much lucky shot chance i got

aside from going though my scrolls and adding them up

[lunar bridge]

nope

[split plinth]

tsunami punch turtle feels better now

cause for small mobs like walrus the weapon portion actually happens

so i get to see big numbr

[reef creek]

I read new Fish or Bear Paw as this:

A weapon has ((1-3.5%)×(number of projectiles)) chance to deal -50% damage.
It will always deal one extra tick of damage.

Which makes it way better than it was, except on shotties where it would have higher chance to break even

[tacit belfry]

Question: Fusion effects like combustion count as normal or elemental DMG?

[fallen escarp]

Combustion counts as elemental, technically, and Miasma counts as True.

Burning is probably elemental, but only a few element-based bonuses actually matter to it directly.

[cobalt dock]

if you have x10 projectiles, you got a 65% chance to hit twice for half dmg

[split plinth]

so it actually provides a downside now?

[glad iris]

It had downsides before.

[ember patio]

hi, with the new patch exist an issue about Zi Xiao Frame achievement, with the possibility to fight sky eater in the end make this achievement a luck RNG and is a pain to make it idk how to report this

[fallen escarp]

Report it by making a post here: #1060159100006178816

[ember patio]

i try but it say i dont have the tag or permission to do it

[fallen escarp]

Try again, since you now have a role.

And don't forget to add one of the tags.

[ember patio]

got it, thank you

[valid zephyr]

glad to see monkey is still the most busted character, in r9 i 1 shot the snake boss. health didnt even go down. just died instantly

[fallen escarp]

He was never the most broken hero.

Everyone can instantly kill bosses.

[valid zephyr]

in my opinion most broken. he does the most dmg in a single hit by far

[fallen escarp]

But doesn't have the easiest time reaching it.

[reef creek]

I never instakilled any boss, am I bad

[fallen escarp]

If you've already unlocked Reincarnation and are using blessings, possibly.

[reef creek]

I'm on R9

🤡

Granted, bosses are being slain quite fast indeed but I can follow their life bars with my eyes

[lucid nova]

Then i'd say its pretty bad if ur at r9

[fallen escarp]

At that point you really should've instakilled at least one boss, even by accident.

[lucid nova]

Its actually hard to not onehit bosses with li

[quasi arrow]

I wouldn't mind watching how Cat does it 🙂

[lucid nova]

Combustion build

Pryodominance 3, cracked firetower or any other hard hitting fireweapon and some scrolls

[quasi arrow]

I would be even more interested in watching this, given that the damage should be lower than the regular Monkey build through crit and shotgun

[lucid nova]

Sure its lower but it slaps the boss real fookin hard

Also energy blade is a big helping hand

[quasi arrow]

Hmm, unless you also crit with the Fire Tower, then it's quite possible

[fallen escarp]

Thing is, bosses have way way lower HP compared to some of the best that heroes do.

So even half of that could probably still instant kill them.

[quasi arrow]

Thats true, and thats shit

[lucid nova]

Also, onehits on tao are the hardest

[reef creek]

I play Painkiller Lone Wolf Cat, never stumbled upon any instakill moment yet

Btw how do you multistack enhanced concurrent cooldown again?

I keep reading it and it seems to be impossible

[small ledge]

Good Morning, chat

Currently at work on Part 2 of the epic saga

[vapid crag]

This bird character

Is bonkers to use

Im so confused holy shot

💀

[stuck bane]

Agreed

Li is so crazy to play with

[vapid crag]

Whats a good build for Qian Sui? Anyone can link me?

[vapid crag]

Ima learn him but man will it be hard

Nona so fire tho

Matchmaking takes ages 😭

[split plinth]

the simplest one is punch

thats it

you punch alot

[sacred tangle]

anything and everything that buffs movement speed

more distance closed = more fist sensation = more damage

[split plinth]

though tsunami punch w/shotgund and hurtle builds work

[sacred tangle]

also Dominating Fist is trash, don't take it

[split plinth]

hard to say "good" builds mostly gotta test out them yourself

[split plinth]

i took it

[sacred tangle]

[split plinth]

i needed the link for the blessing im sorry

[sacred tangle]

understandable

[split plinth]

i need that extra second

[sacred tangle]

[split plinth]

also what months of using the same turtle does to a mf:

[sacred tangle]

in general focusing on getting higher stack numbers is much more important than raising the floor for your FS stacks ever will be