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[small ledge]

That is... exactly the point we're making?

[lucid nova]

Says the strike wing user lol

[rain vale]

I use it because I like it, I have no clue if it's meta or not and idgaf

[lucid nova]

One man army blessing tho

[pearl garden]

I wouldn't really call any of the snipers meta tbh, just good in certain contexts. The only "meta" Strike Wing has is being a CritX gemini stat stick.

[rain vale]

I don't know the meta of this game, I use the strike wing because I enjoy using it and its massive critx fits my playstyle. I couldn't care less if it was meta or not.

[lucid nova]

True, but from all the snipers in pretty sure strikewing has the highest usage rate (yes partially cos critx share)

[pearl garden]

Strike Wing has some interesting exclusive inscriptions--the arrows that spawn after the shot can dish out some bonus damage. So that can be fun to people on top of it feeling crunchy to shoot which some like.

[rain vale]

I don't even see your point, people didn't wait for a meta to realise the critx share was good with this bow

[rain vale]

Yeah the feedback is amazing on it

[pearl garden]

The audio noise that sounds when you land a good shot is nice too.

So points there.

[fervent bough]

real ones use radioactive gauntlet spore every game

😤

[rain vale]

Yeah it's what I'm talking about

[lucid nova]

Not even the best for spores

[fervent bough]

I know its a joke lol

[rain vale]

Depends

[fervent bough]

literally the least skilled weapon possible you don't gotta aim

[lucid nova]

It doesnt depend rainbow is better

[rain vale]

But rainbow has no aoe

[lucid nova]

Its a rainbow with aoe lol

[lucid nova]

Does more dmg

And you dont need aoe on spores builds

Shit dies faster than you can see em anyways

[pearl garden]

Was better when the Rainbow did the weird RoF glitch tho.

To this day I still don't understand what excatly made it do that but I did notice it'd start melting things much faster after a kill or two.

[cobalt dock]

ye, it was good

[lucid nova]

Coding funny

Also when are the devs going to fix spawn triggers in rooms, its super annoying during speedrunning when you rush in and stuff stops spawning

[pearl garden]

that's why we should start running with Frenzied Shark so we can bank projectiles into the spawn zones 🧠

[lucid nova]

I actually did try that out a few runs

[pearl garden]

I'm sure it was disappointing.

[lucid nova]

I had one with the bounce inscription but ye it didnt do much

And speedrunning strat is 99% skill spamming

Got my 7:30 time with t&g and rainbow

[nimble flint]

This is something that wont be fixed in any near time

The reason behind it is too deep into the general spawning of enemies and would cause too much issues everywhere else

we are just too fast

[cobalt dock]

is Lone wolf part of the R1/R8 category or is it a new one?

[lucid nova]

Its reincarnation only

[nimble flint]

?
Lone wolf is just a modifier like all bizarre dream stuff

Whether you use it or not is up to you

[lucid nova]

I would use it tho

[nimble flint]

Right now the rules are that all the modifiers are allowed
Unless sometime in the future a modifier tied to a DLC would be released

Then we would revise rules about that

[pearl garden]

free let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lucid nova]

Eye of prov, best speedrun strat so you can see the vaults

[pearl garden]

Taking Overconsumption for early game damage and speed
Taking , getting Take it All, 3rd Time Unlucky, and Enhanced EDS in Tombs

If you don't get that RNG it's just a skill issue reset and try again sweetie.

[small ledge]

I have a better idea

at the first chest

later in the run

Dual-Wield + Ascensions

Use this guy a shit ton

and get that one Remnant that makes it so you only need to enhance one weapon

[lucid nova]

I have a better idea use frenzied shark

[small ledge]

I had faith in you, Pie

prepare to battle

[lucid nova]

Bric fun but frenzied shark funner

You cant resist my frenzied shark with the 2 mag inscription lol

[nimble flint]

How about

1. inheritor
2. take all the scrolls you can find
3. deal only 1 dmg per shot
4. ?????
5. Still kill Monarch

[lucid nova]

How about
1.
2. shock only
3. suffer
4. Profit

[nimble flint]

I dont think you understand I am not joking

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805289257710518303/1137714877381742603/image.png?width=1209&height=676

I mean literally deal only 1 dmg

[lucid nova]

Oh

Well

Yike

[nimble flint]

I have the record for lowest dmg and outside the event it was normal 2

I dealt 2 dmg as a lucky shot

[pearl garden]

+100% damage holy shit

[nimble flint]

Fools chase the highest dmg

I went to the depths of the abyss for science

[pearl garden]

and you came out just as ugly as you entered /s

[nimble flint]

Cant fix ugly

[pearl garden]

That's impressive to get a damage number like that tho

[lucid nova]

Lol only 5k souls essence doe

[nimble flint]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805289257710518303/1137711829221638174/image.png

[pearl garden]

The hubris of scroll reroll chests ruined my 25k essence count

[nimble flint]

The lucky shot outside an event

Oh yeah and that

thousands of essence gone again

"Search for an enhanced scroll (16)"

Turns to 0 quicker than you think

I dont know how much essence I go through weekly

Speedruns eat through that

[lucid nova]

The chest that doomed my count lol, its sooo good for speedrunning but man... poor boy shit after it

[visual osprey]

BLASPHEMY?!

Lightning Ksana and Lei Luo are best friends

[nimble flint]

btw the end of the run :
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1013183529955377233/1137716387628994630/image.png?width=1440&height=668

[visual osprey]

Shield your friends and get max stacc instantly, then unload with magical supply

[lucid nova]

I went trough 50k in one week at my peak (5 ish hrs of speedrunning a day)

[nimble flint]

Even with all that near 100% damage reduction I still dealt quite the dmg at times

turns out free upgrades kinda fight back against the dmg down

[lucid nova]

Not even very slow (for the normal standard)

[nimble flint]

my normal dmg output without crits or lucky was only 3 digits

One time I thought that a shark would end the run if I keep the restraints because robust healing

[lucid nova]

Anyways ima sleep its 5am

Funny jetlag

[nimble flint]

I need a run before bed. Almost midnight

[naive blade]

[rain vale]

I don't play multiplayer 🤮

[small ledge]

tragic

[fervent bough]

mp kinda boring at times

too easy unless you get literally the worst rng in duos

[fossil tapir]

Is there a endless mode

[naive blade]

No

[nimble flint]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-roll-gif-18401155

@red glacier

Good timing for a good night shot

a cup o mead before bed

[visual osprey]

Then aim!

Also, imo single player is 10x easier than mp

Enemies just don’t even have health bars in sp

No wonder the strike wing is usable for you!

[red glacier]

man

not again 😭

[naive blade]

Does reviving Iron Wing count towards the Combat Medic achievement?

[rain vale]

They do but ok

Also I play lone wolf

[visual osprey]

Even with lone wolf

Snipers actually do dmg without Gradual Improvement

Crank that shit to a party of 3, it's gonna take a bloody drill 3-5 shots to kill non-enhanced enemies in Longling stage 2

[fallen escarp]

Lone Wolf does nothing to enemy HP. It only increases enemy amount and the power of certain attacks. Conveniently, any weapon or skill that gains power from hitting multiple enemies will get effectively stronger with Lone Wolf.

[rain vale]

The whole point of video games is to be alone

[visual osprey]

Cap

[rain vale]

I don't wanna interact with people 🤮 when I play

[visual osprey]

Damn, no friends? A fate worse than death

I run duo's minimum, singleplayer doesn't feel the same when T&G and Thunder Nemesis I is an insta-win

[fallen escarp]

Multiplayer is no safer from having an insta-win than solo is.

[visual osprey]

It's so much easier to fall behind in multiplayer though

[rain vale]

Friends but none who play the game

[fallen escarp]

Not only do you have a multiplied chance for at least 1 person to get a god run, but you can force the god run by sharing scrolls AND even if you screw up at some point, you can just revive each other.

[rain vale]

And when I come back from work after giving lessons all day and I want to game the last thing I wanna come into contact with is another human

[mild island]

Can someone nice make me a family share? And to ensure reliability I am ready to do a family sharing again

[ember lintel]

whats a good build to complete owl's achievement frame. i keep dying b4 3rd map

[fallen escarp]

Card build, then pick whatever rarity you wanna aim for.

[somber solar]

Rare scrolls recommended.

[reef creek]

Y'all have been gaslighting me for days

Unlocked Dragonlasher or whatever the name

Got it on area 2

Free nightmare win, wtf

[cobalt dock]

Dragon chaser? mark and shoot?

[reef creek]

Mark and shoot, yes

[reef creek]

Dragon Lash is a move from SF6 lmao

[fallen escarp]

Using Dragonchaser is far from a "free win".

It's one of the highest skill requirements of any weapon, so it's usually not worth even trying to mark normal enemies because you can kill them so quickly.

[pearl garden]

The perception of the weapon has always been somewhat mid with a few outliers discussing it being underrated such as myself and Chappll. But I'd wager few people that have played extensively would say it's a bad weapon outright. Biggest downside is it can feel a little weird deciding when to mark and when it's not necessary. Plus missing a mark several times can lead to uncomfortable situations due to wasted time before you dish out damage.

[reef creek]

I just marked <THIS HAS TO DIE NOW> enemies and it was so easy

It had corrosion, high RoF and +something% lucky shot.
When I got it, I had elemental bonuses dealing +120%, gemini was the elemental mix with a 40%(+100%) burning chance second weapon

Whatever was tagged, was deleted.
No exceptions

[fallen escarp]

Difference is, certain higher rated weapons don't need to mark enemies to delete them.

[nimble flint]

yes

but can you 369 scope them and still hit all shots fired ?

[fervent bough]

24,000 DPI, Max Sens 0.1cm to 360

[nimble flint]

He gets it

[fervent bough]

I started playing CS and had to lower my sens in gunfire lol

[nimble flint]

Please stop asking for handouts

[tender elbow]

I just like how Dragonchaser looks and works

Is fun 👍

[visual osprey]

I feel the same way about the Cavalry

[naive blade]

I like using the Cavalry in semi-auto

[pearl garden]

Cavalry is a good example of how the game's power creep makes it feel underwhelming when it's honestly solid.

[tender elbow]

Cavalry is fun (I like burst wpns)

[reef creek]

As someone that misses their beloved Hopscotch Pilgrim godroll from Destiny 1, I wholeheartedly agree with all of you

Cavalry is fun, burst weapons are fun

[visual osprey]

(I love burst weapons)

[small ledge]

In terms of the actual guns, I gotta say my favorite is the Scorching Rounds

[tender elbow]

Does Inderdependent Forces (once enter desert, choose free cards) make enemies stronger permanently?

[fallen escarp]

Technically yes.

But also no.

[tender elbow]

what?

[fallen escarp]

Because depending on what you choose, you can actually make enemies weaker and still get beneficial scrolls from it.

[tender elbow]

but enemies, even in snow area will have the effects?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[tender elbow]

When it says "effects are reduced by 80% against elites", does that include bosses too? Or just elites?

[fallen escarp]

Bosses cannot receive scrolls.

[tender elbow]

nice

[fervent bough]

I tried double brick earlier

[small ledge]

I'm so proud

how did it go

[fervent bough]

went fine, gonna try it on r8 solo

was helping some newer players

only had like 7.5x crit didn't get too lucky

[small ledge]

I had a pretty good R8 set

just need to level them up

[pearl garden]

Double Brick I've found is pretty hard to get going if you force it/struggles in desert without some luck. But once it's online? Omega fun.

Had Wildfire ascension fusion one brick run which was pretty funny to throw so many bricks in such a short span of time.

[split plinth]

did my first ship phase skip

did enough dmg to skip the 2nd phase invul phase

was doing an tsunami punch build so might explain

tsunami punch and normal punch gotta be my favorite builds in the game

[gloomy hazel]

you get him through level i think

[quartz narwhal]

that was way easier then I expected

[reef creek]

Alright, how is Reincarnation balanced at all

I know, I'm playing R1 and all

But if grenades apply every debuff in existence, how is it not free? lmao

I have a kunai that is actually a gattling gun on area 2, this is crazy

Also now I understand what you guys had in mind when you said "you can delete stuff without marking with other weapons"

I am one shoting multiple enemies with a single kunai throw

[fallen escarp]

That's the neat part. It isn't.

There are such hilariously big differences between the "good" and the "bad" on Reincarnation that using the bad is practically a self-imposed challenge.

[reef creek]

It feels like a sandbox, the main fun I can definitely see is trying to make weird niche stuff work

And I'm down for it, it's my reward for beating Nightmare

[weak quarry]

reincarnation 8 when it's hard just feels awkward to play
it's more fun when you have so many modifiers that it feels like a poorly balanced mod

[fallen escarp]

Some people find it more fun when a game doesn't snap in half like a twig the moment you even look at a quality piece of equipment.

[pearl garden]

I sorta agree that sometimes the challenge isn't rewarding, just awkward.

[fallen escarp]

Well it doesn't help they added unbalanced modifiers to help offset the unbalanced buffs they also keep adding.

Keep in mind, stuff like Bleeding Powerful Elite Mandrill Cavalrys were added in the same update that added Li and brought Overconsumption, Atomic Bomb, Blossom Enthusiast, Thorny Bloom and High-Powered Arc to their current versions.

[daring halo]

anyone knows how can i fix my corrupted save file? it is a platium save data and i dont wanna lose it

also seems like the corrupted one is on the cloud server already

[quasi arrow]

Download a new one. And what "platinum" means?

[somber solar]

He's most likely using Playstation terminology, where a "Platinum" means 100%ing all achievements.

[split plinth]

finally managed to beat my personal best dmg with turtle by 400m

could be better but i seriously need to stop playing turtle for now

[somber solar]

Join us at team Firefox!
We have fire.

...lots of it.

[split plinth]

might try firefox again

dont think its possible for me to hit 2b dmg on turtle without farming lanterns

[naive blade]

Woo. Just got the last achievements

[daring halo]

means i got all trophies

but my game corrupt, it's annoying

now once i download the save from steam cloud, it says it's corrupted

is there any dev can tell me that if the corruption is caused by the .vdf file?

or the .dat file itself?

[queen oasis]

is spiritual assault the real endgame or is it still r8?

i havent really tried it

[prime rose]

Is the next update supposed to be the Q3 update?

Or still waiting on the Q2 free update?

[split plinth]

r8 is probably the "endgame"

though it differs for people to people like beating it on all characters

or some (like me) trying to get the best run they could for each character

[glad iris]

Pretty sure Q2 update is done.

[prime rose]

Spirit Assault is significantly easier than R8 once you know what you're doing. In R8 you can still fail multiple times after 100s of hours of playing the game. SA you can also fail, but beating is a lot more consistent, at least in my personal opinion playing both

[glad iris]

The new spiritual assault map was delayed.

[prime rose]

Oh ok

[prime rose]

This is from a solo play perspective btw. Multiplayer R8 is basically a joke with the revives

[split plinth]

does argus have the highest base dmg of all weapons?

figuring out which one does so I can use it for a tsunami punch build

[glad iris]

Technically Defeaning Mortar does but it doesn't include the projectiles in the base dmg.

[visual osprey]

Imo SA feels unplayable if you don’t get good ascensions

[glad iris]

spiritual ascensions*

[fallen escarp]

Unstable equilibrium scaling + RNG does not mix.

[visual osprey]

No I mean ascensions

Not spiritual

[naive blade]

Chromatic Magazine makes it easier

[visual osprey]

Not in a way I enjoy though

But that’s a me issue

[naive blade]

Yeah, Hell + Chromatic mag is a little too easy

[cobalt dock]

correct

[glad iris]

I said spiritual because spiritual ascensions plays possibly if not a bigger role than ascensions in SA. You can have bad rng with ascensions and still come out without a problem with good spiritual ascensions. Also with good jades as well.

[visual osprey]

RNG isn’t much of an issue for me, it doesn’t ever take much out of my SE pool

But I can’t reroll ascensions

[cobalt dock]

got this now and its weirdly cut off

i mean, losing seems easy to do 🙃

[visual osprey]

LOL

[fallen escarp]

Harder than you think, considering it's Li you're playing as.

[mellow girder]

Hello! My friend and I were trying to figure out how he managed to do 10,373,184 highest damage in this game. We aren't sure what dealt the damage whether it was one of his guns or otherwise, but if someone knows more about the game than us and wants to help us that'd be great.

[fallen escarp]

Elemental damage helped bypass the 10m damage cap.

As for what caused it, could be literally anything. The game's balance is so wild that you might be able to achieve that number with the lowest damage in the game.

[reef creek]

This is active, right?

Or do I need the last one?

[naive blade]

@reef creek It's active

[somber solar]

If all slots in the left side is filled for a link, it's active.

Links that need a specific something will be highlighted in an outlined slot on the left side, while it will also state what is required on the right.

You will always need atleast 3 something from the list to be active, and some required ascensions need level 3 to be active (along with other two somethings), and it will say so on the right as "III".

[lucid nova]

Gluttony in r9!!!!

Damn I have to play the game again

[reef creek]

Oh, so the last entry isn't in the game yet? Or are they another game mode now?

[nimble flint]

Gluttony is only in the spiritual assault

for now

[quasi arrow]

I hope they featured Glottony just because they "needed something to put in." The most boring boss who can only kill you if your monitor accidentally turns off.

[proud shale]

also

why the turtle emoji

dont tell me they're messing with him

please be like
a turtle shell shield weapon

[quasi arrow]

Or they'll give it a rework, and we'll be able to see that second person playing on the turtle, apart from the one I saw six months ago.

oh wait, it was me

[reef creek]

I need to play something other than cat for once

Have no idea what turtle character you talking about

[fallen escarp]

Definitely Real 25th August update
• Qian Sui
• Due to the recent "buffs" to Qing Yan, we thought it was necessary to also buff his melee counterpart.
• Agile Titan:
Old: +20 Max Shield. Grants +10% total Movement Speed for 6s upon using any hero skill or Dashing.
New: +20 Max Shield. Grants +10% total Movement Speed and doubles Shield bonus for 10s upon using any hero skill or Dashing.
• Clenched Fist:
Old: +100/200/300% Striking Punch Base DMG.
New: +150/300/450% Striking Punch Base DMG.
• Tidal Rhythm:
Old: +40/80/120% Skill DMG while holding the Aspis. +40/80/120% Weapon DMG for 5s after retraction.
New: +60/120/200% Weapon and Skill DMG while holding the Aspis and for 5s after retraction.
• Mighty Stream:
Old: +2/4/6s duration for Tidal Aspis. Lv.3 effect: recover 1s duration for every attack you block (Every recovery shortens max duration)
New: +3/6/10s duration for Tidal Aspis. Lv.3 effect: recover 1s duration for every attack you block and enemy you kill (Every recovery shortens max duration)
• Unbearable Hurtle:
Old: Enemies hit by Hurtle deal -30/50/80% DMG and take +30/60/100% DMG for 5s.
New: Enemies hit by Hurtle deal -40/60/90% DMG and take +40/80/120% DMG for 5s.
• Dominating Fist:
Old: The stacks of Fist Sensation won't drop below 20.
New: The stacks of Fist Sensation won't drop below 20. +300% Fist Sensation duration.
• Tsunami Punch:
Old: +2 Tidal Aspis charges. Retract the Aspis to cause Weapon DMG once. +300% DMG from Aspis retraction.
New: +1 charge and -60% cooldown for Tidal Aspis. Retract the Aspis to cause Weapon DMG once to all enemies within 10m. +300% DMG from Aspis retraction.

[proud shale]

real

[quasi arrow]

This is certainly a very serious buff, especially Tsunami Punch. However, he already had sufficient damage in principle, but the problem is that the gameplay for the turtle is very monotonous. If they had made it so that during Tidal Aspis you could use some weapons with some specific bonuses(like Monkey) that would have brought some excitement to the gameplay

[fallen escarp]

Oh yeah, you're absolutely correct.

• Libra Warrior:
    Old: Fist Sensation grants extra weapon DMG which is equivalent to 100% of the bonuses to Striking Punch.
    New: Fist Sensation grants extra weapon DMG which is equivalent to 200% of the bonuses to Striking Punch. Weapons can be fired during Tidal Aspis, dealing +100% Total DMG. Each weapon hit during Tidal Aspis deals additional Striking Punch DMG.

[broken brook]

When is the rat character coming out?

[quasi arrow]

Yea, that's good, just add "for 30 sec"

[quasi arrow]

I have some rat character sitting next to me

[visual osprey]

Bro wears size 13s

Bro is also schemin’

[plush wedge]

Hey! Does this game have looking for group system if you wanna play with randoms?

[fallen escarp]

#1064937664870101033 literally right below this channel.

[plush wedge]

yes i know but i mean I have looked group already +15 mins

you don't really get what i mean

i mean without sharing your squad id

[wise oasis]

looking for group channel is better than matchmaking

[vapid crag]

Im in Nightmare, Looking for somebody to play with. I have a mic and a friendly behaviour.

[fallen escarp]

Use #1064937664870101033 for that.

[split plinth]

cant wait for r9 to come out then I'll have tp do more runs to beat my personal est dmg of 1.4 billion

game keeps finding ways to make me play turtle right when i dont wanna

[fallen escarp]

It probably won't make the damage number go much higher, unless they add a bunch more enemies per run or more damage immunity states for them.

[wild void]

hello peoples, i have a question regarding talents, i have the health and shield/armor enhancements maxed out and it looks like its not actually working, is this a bug?

[fallen escarp]

What hero are you playing as, and what's their max HP and Shield/Armor stats?

[green kiln]

is tere eta on the new update

there eta*

[fervent bough]

I think closer to the end of the month

[reef creek]

Alright, here's the deal
I hope higher reincarnation levels are more challenging? Yes, definitely.

But I'm climbing through the numbers (R2 now) and this game is being the perfect drunken fun

I can just do whatever, storm whatever group with whatever gun lobbying whatever skill and it's so fun lmao

[quasi arrow]

Just wait for R8 coop, and yours "whatever" will be like that

[reef creek]

Wtf hahahaha

I play cat so it's kinda dumb

I ended polar without a single gunshot

Spam grenades is op

I actually have 99% playtime on cat. Tried dog once

[quasi arrow]

sorry mate, I closed .psd project without saving and can't set Cat face there xD

[reef creek]

You're telling me it's the same danger then

[quasi arrow]

You just need to feel it

[rain vale]

How the f are you supposed to beat 3 mandrills in 4 player lone wolf ? You get thrown around so much you don't even know where you are on the map

[glad iris]

You kill them fast enough.

[rain vale]

I mean even with full meta builds it can't be guaranteed

[quasi arrow]

with "full" meta build it's guarantee ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Mandrills HP is the same as solo

[rain vale]

When I said full I was talking about assenscions only

Like I tried with thunder and glory, had everything from the assentions but nothing good from scrolls

And it wasn't enough

[glad iris]

Thunder & Glory isn't really that good against elites/bosses without lightning orb & bolt form the blue.

Or maybe 50% chance for ele effect on chain lightning

I had a sporeless rainbow build with Tao not too long ago and it was enough. I ran it with first strike and some other stuff.

[wooden wadi]

what's the best tao build and how can i get the best dmg output from crown prince

[rain vale]

Does the drawing probability even matter ? if so, what does it actually do ?

[cobalt dock]

chance to draw a better card

[rain vale]

When you use secondary ?

[cobalt dock]

and primary, yes

[fervent bough]

My monkey build got nuked by snake last night

[cobalt dock]

it auto fills empty slot on cast

[rain vale]

Is one upgrade method better than the others ?

[split plinth]

game was absolutely cooking when It gave me pyrodominance and wildfire on an energy draining Li build

[naive blade]

First time over 1bil

Also hit damage cap

[visual osprey]

Yoooo

Thunder and glory with Fulminous maxed, and lightning governor 1 with the right Gifted Man talent

Will kill any elite/boss in a matter of a few seconds

In solo, at least

[lucid nova]

T&g with thunder nemesis is better tho

[reef creek]

Reincarnation is such an experience

How do I even think about playing normal game again now

I just bursted friendly boss so hard he didn't even have time to get an attack off and that was just R3

I feel like I'm getting better and better at finding builds that work well

[visual osprey]

Obv we’re running thunder nemesis

But you’re not maxing out dmg without fulminous, and lightning governor is better for single target DPS

And the premise was having a mix maxed run with the most ideal ascensions

[fallen escarp]

So you know, Reincarnation 1-3 are considered easier than Nightmare, and that was before Reincarnation got a bunch of player buffs.

Nowadays, it's debatable if even Reincarnation 8 is harder than Nightmare.

[reef creek]

Not sure about difficulty but it's definitely more fun

[naive blade]

Does Blossom Enthusiast trigger Mark Chaser?

[reef creek]

I might try Nightmare again after I beat R8 just to see if I did improve or not in the end, but I really like the game a lot more now

[visual osprey]

More fun

More whimsical silliness

I’d rather eat my laptop whole than play gunfire without spiritual blessing

[agile fog]

I need a team

im new to the game i have 6 hours in game but im level 71

[glad iris]

Head over to #1064937664870101033

[agile fog]

i dont have perms

[glad iris]

#role-assignment

[agile fog]

okay i appreciate it

[split plinth]

still haven't gotten a dog run with that one bunny ascension from ascension fusion

the one that gives rof and chance to return bullets

[visual osprey]

Warlike Blade

[split plinth]

ye that

rlly wanna do a run with it and double hippo

[visual osprey]

My fusion highlight has been Pyrodominance III with Li

[split plinth]

unfortunately havent been rlly lucky

yeah pyrodominance on li with a combustion build is illegal

also if lucky can double dip on fire buffs

[tacit belfry]

Pyrodominance 3 + All other Li's stuff for spiritual flame maxed out and perma decay on enemies = Illigal af lol

[quasi arrow]

R8 speedruns is faster than Nightmare, idk what is debatable here 🙂

[glad iris]

There are R8 speedruns that are faster than normal, does that make R8 easier than normal?

[quasi arrow]

Why not? In co-op, of course, everything is a bit more complicated, but in solo, there's not much of a difference. Whether you're on Normal or Reincarnation, you erase all living beings from existence

[fallen escarp]

Speedruns are a different context entirely. They're practically designed to break the game in the most efficient way possible.

Normal scales of difficulty do not apply.

[glad iris]

One can erase you from existence way more easily than the other. You can face tank in normal, not so much in R8, so you have to play more carefully requiring more effort to speedrun.

[quasi arrow]

Yes, I've heard legends about some even taking defensive abilities in Reincarnation. I haven't seen it myself, but the stories are circulating

[glad iris]

And you don't really need that in normal.

Normal mode is basically a walking simulator where you don't have to worry about death.

With the required talents

[quasi arrow]

So we have come to the conclusion that this question is indeed debatable

[glad iris]

Well, there's more to speedruns than just killing things and moving fast. You have to worry about things that will kill your run.

Or slow your run down.

[fallen escarp]

Immortal enemies, or Glazed Barrier and Second Wind challenge events.

Normal difficulty has none of those.

[quasi arrow]

Similarly to the things that make your run easier. Interdependent Fortunes

[glad iris]

You're just adding more rng.

Which adds more attempts

[fallen escarp]

Those speed up kills which might already be instant, making them redundant.

The enhancement and events however cannot be avoided. They will consume precious seconds as you wait for enemies to realize they're dead.

[quasi arrow]

So R1 is harder than Normal?

[fallen escarp]

Most likely, as things still exist to slow down speedruns and you still take more damage in casual runs, for higher chance of death.

You can have all the OP damage bonuses in the world, but taking a 210% damage shot to the face is still gonna hurt.

[quasi arrow]

I agree. But that's if you really decide to face tank. However, I prefer to keep moving. Legally, Reincarnation might be more complex, but in practice, it isn't. ok, IMHO

[fallen escarp]

"Keep moving" also applies to Normal difficulty. Only difference is making a mistake isn't as costly.

[rain vale]

It's the 3rd time this week the game has made my PC crash

Wtaf is happening

[small ledge]

Fellas

This game is being big mean to me

[fallen escarp]

Is it the "I keep being offered useless junk" kind of mean, or the "I stood in a fire trap without noticing" kind?

[small ledge]

It's a deadly combo of
• No bricks in the arsenal chest
• the few times I get one, I get to the very end
• my Dual-Wield is stuck on cool down and I get steamrolled buy PM's boosted phase
• or I get roasted by what I like to call "Surprise Elite Cavalry"

Normal only took me 2 runs

Elite has taken me more than 10 failed runs

And over 100+ brickless arsenal chests

[fallen escarp]

So it's a case of both.

[small ledge]

Yes

It's fine though

I just need more bricks

[reef creek]

Btw got my first bumrush jump scare on Jokul

I'm nervous for increased Reincarnation levels from now on lmao

Those Elites are abnormal

[rain vale]

I'm pretty sure this is my highest damage yet

And I didn't have enduring caster nor spirit bible

Just armed caster doing all the work with 2 5.4 crit bows and glazed sight

[fallen escarp]

Enduring Caster and Spirit Bible are, realistically in the grand scheme of things, pitiful bonuses compared to many other things.

[rain vale]

Doesn't enduring caster get ridiculous with Li having access to 2000 shield on demand ?

[fallen escarp]

Dual-edge for example can usually beat both of them, combined.

[rain vale]

I got dual edge on the last elite kill ;~;

[fallen escarp]

2000 shield is only +400% skill damage.

It's a good amount for sure, but the Armed Caster you had only needs 8x CritX to match it.

[rain vale]

Oh also I had 23 stacks of Elite Assassin so that's that

[fallen escarp]

And you can get like... 18x CritX with a bit of luck.

[rain vale]

Is 18 the highest possible ? Using what ? 2 5.4 critx strike wings, glazed sight, counterviolence... ?

[fallen escarp]

Nope, it's just a number that takes some luck.

2 Strike Wings with Counterviolence, Glazed Sight and Hawkeye Sight is 18.5x CritX for example.

That's not even including anything else like inscriptions or enhanced weapons.

Or enhanced Special Ammo scroll, enhanced Merciless Strike, enhanced Connected Mind.

[fallen escarp]

Theoretically, if you had;
• 2 Critical enhanced Strike Wings with maximum values (+2.2x on top of +9.5x)
• Offhand with +0.4x CritX, +1.2x CritX inscriptions (+1.6x)
• Main hand with +0.4x CritX, +1.2x CritX, +0.2x CritX each crit in a row (up to 4.0x), +1.0x CritX next shot after kill, +1 Proj but +100% consumption inscriptions (+6.6x, yes, all these inscriptions are possible to fit)
• Counterviolence (+1.0x twice), Glazed Sight (+1.5x twice), Hawkeye Sight (+2.0x twice), enhanced Merciless Strike (+0.5x)
• Enhanced Connected Mind with 3 teammates using Strike Wings (+0.6x)
• Enhanced Special Ammo while also holding Advanced Depot (4 projectiles, for +2.0x)
• Gradual Improvement (+9.0x)
• Ultimate Violence (+1.0x once or twice, dunno)

You could end up with 42.0x or 43.0x CritX.

And I just realized while writing this that the Enhanced Normal Ammo scroll exists, which using a suitable Rainbow Arch with Enhanced Ammo Belt gets you up to like... +56.5x CritX on its own, on top of whatever else.

[reef creek]

I think I got like triple that on R3 tho
How come this is a W on R8 with such low damage?

I thought it would grow just based on enemy numbers and HP values if nothing else

[nimble flint]

You see that this is single shot dmg , right ?

Besides , when i do for example R1 Speedruns the dmg total dmg averages around 50-70 mil

[reef creek]

Oh, I didn't see

My R3 was almost 100 million, that got me very confused

20 million single hit is crazy high, wow

[cobalt dock]

i know its said to be strong, but still

https://i.imgur.com/D3TQsYO.png

[split plinth]

if there's a pole monarch shouldn't there be a sphere monarch

and a cube and a pyramid monarch

[tough pelican]

dont pick up paranormality and flesh and bones

worst mistake of my life

[split plinth]

yeah especially if you got them with the scroll that prevents discarding

[rain vale]

Wait you didn't notice it ?

[split plinth]

was smooth brain and uh

[rain vale]

I spend like more time looking at my health than I do at my crosshair

[split plinth]

almost lost the run but there was a peculiar chest that let me give a scroll for mony

[split plinth]

W e l l

uh

idk how it happened but on a reincarnation 8 lone wolf 4 run

I kinda just one shot the serpent

idk how much hp it had tbh

[wooden wadi]

is angelic aura the best weapon for tao ?

[split plinth]

might not run rogue wave with libra warrior cause it actually deals enough dmg to enemies that it doesn't proc the 300% weapon dmg portion

well not rlly complaining cause I still got 1.2 billion dmg

[tough pelican]

why have i never seen a orb cat build

should i run an orb cat build

im running orb cat

[strange mountain]

do it

[fallen escarp]

Because it pales in comparison to Smoke Grenade's decay or elemental weapons in general.

The only real builds that involve energy orb in high difficulties is either using it to trigger Energy Blade for weapons, or a stunlock build where you just never let enemies move.

[pearl garden]

[Flashing lights warning] Kitty firework build definitely exists but takes some setup and basically requires Reincarnation difficulty for Blessings. https://youtu.be/aTEvgJSoaFw

[hidden portal]

When going 4 xi xiaos frame do enhanced epic scrolls count as epic scrolls?

And do cursed scrolls also fuck it up as well?

[fallen escarp]

Enhanced scrolls don't change the rarity. Yes, cursed scrolls count.

[hidden portal]

FUCK

Was on the last stage and tried 2 screw over the enemies

Man

[nimble flint]

for any of those challenge events :
Check the buff icons
You get a special buff for as long you are still in the challenge. if you do something that would invalidate that ( shoot a non sniper or have different rarity) the buff and the icon disappear

[dawn flower]

Mr sage, tell me

Some rules of thumb when looking at laptops

I don't know every cpu and gpu in exsistence so how do i knoe which is good

(I don't actually know any)

[dawn flower]

Hey wait a minute, couldn't i

Ask chatgpt for every spec

🤣 🤔 🤔

[quasi arrow]

/r/buildapc

[dawn flower]

Well im not gonna purchase online

And it would be way too embarrassing standing there typing everything in

[reef creek]

Wait, do we get more power from Lone Wolf 2 through 4? Or is it increased challenge?

Also, I never used the arsenal thingy cuz "storing weapons" didn't sound productive, am I missing on some goodies too?

[fallen escarp]

Depends on what you find and use.

Higher Lone Wolf player count increases enemy amount, which while it might make it more dangerous to fight, it also gets you more copper, more kill stacks, and in the case of Elite Gathering events, more weapons.

If you've got a build that can handle more enemies shooting you, or just any build that blows up everything anyway, there's not really much downside to going Lone Wolf 4.

[fallen escarp]

Pfft no. Most people think the Arsenal Guards are a joke. By the time you can reach them you've likely already got a fully online build that murders everything and weapons significantly higher level than what is offered.

The best the arsenal can realistically do is give you good Gemini fodder.

[dawn flower]

Alright the prices are outrageous irl

Maybe i should purchase online

[lofty bay]

What’s the price range you’re looking at?

[dawn flower]

Cheap, probably like 300-400€

Pretty much anything above 100€ is gonna be an upgrade to my current pc btw ^^

Lmao

[lofty bay]

Oof, thats a tight budget

[dawn flower]

The laptop mr cryorus suggested was pretty well rounded

[lofty bay]

I’d check the used market of laptops on Ebay, 400 nowadays isn’t gonna get you much more than a chromebook tbh

[dawn flower]

Yea, well problem is

I live in Cyprus

And cyprus delivery, for lack of better words - shit

[lofty bay]

Makes sense

Is the Steam Deck available in your area?

[dawn flower]

Dunno

Im gonna use it for studying as well, the laptop

[slate shuttle]

someone plays?

[fallen escarp]

Use #1064937664870101033.

[rain vale]

I've finally managed to do Lone Wolf 4 as Lei Luo using T&G

I don't think I'd been able to do it without 50% chance chain lightning and bolt from the blue

[fallen escarp]

T&G Tiger is likely one of few skill builds that genuinely has a downside with LW4 instead of LW2.

Because it's all single target. No AoE.

[tough pelican]

i really wonder why gunfire reborn isnt bigger

it rules

is it the artstyle?

not being on playstation/switch?

it is at least as good as borderlands 3

significantly better than tiny tina's wonderlands

[fervent bough]

art style has stopped pretty much all my friends I've suggested getting the game from getting it

[tough pelican]

it scratches that borderlands itch for me without having the issue of borderlands's postgame

[fallen escarp]

1. It's not made by a AAA game company, so it doesn't have the employees for a massive project.

Good thing too. If it was owned by a AAA game company there would likely be microtransactions like $10 skins.

2. It is actually on PlayStation, but I wouldn't call it genuinely there.

[tough pelican]

i thought it had xbox exclusivity at first

and the ps/switch ports are coming down the line

oh the ps version is out

needs crossplay tho

[fallen escarp]

Good luck getting anything, let alone crossplay.

Console versions are developed by another company, who has made it their mission to do and say pretty much nothing.

[tough pelican]

damn iit

does that mean pc/mobile are the lead platforms?

[fallen escarp]

Steam is the lead, Mobile follows closely behind. Xbox/PC Gamepass and PlayStation are stuck at the bottom of the ocean.

[rain vale]

Which is where bolt from blue + 50% shock chance chain lighnings + lightning governor came in very handy

[fallen escarp]

That's still single target.

Chain Lightning is, fundamentally, a single target attack done multiple times.

Got 3 hits and there are 3 enemies close together? You hit them all.

But got 3 hits and there are 5 enemies close together? You'll miss some.

AoEs would hit all 5 regardless.

[rain vale]

Yeah I know, but it's single target done several times more efficiently. Due to CL's range I was able to hit basically everyone regardless of where they were in the room (I also had high powered arc so I had plenty of bounces) twice a second and procing the lightning strike on 50% of hits

[nimble flint]

Also to add that mobile and steam are made by the main devs

which is why mobile got regular updates and is pretty much cought up to steam

more or less

[cobalt dock]

Nona's Elemental Share for the mech does not benefit from Elemental Weave

[viscid prism]

so how do I make the owl somewhat strong? are there any must-pick things?

[hidden portal]

q build is better imo

[viscid prism]

I have no idea of any builds tbh, I bought the dlc when it came out and never rlly played the champs since the fire fox seemed so much more fun

[hidden portal]

anything purple in his abilities

[viscid prism]

lmao

okay ty

[hidden portal]

fair fox is fun

[viscid prism]

that fox is just so damn op

and so much fun in spiritual attack

[hidden portal]

mainly lucky day, perfect deck, card printer, and undercontrol

[viscid prism]

so I just go for anything thats purple and owl get somewhat strong?

ah okay

ty

[hidden portal]

those 4

yw

[viscid prism]

thanks a lot

gonna try

which char is "better" from the 2 tho?

[hidden portal]

i like nona more

but both are busted

[viscid prism]

mhm mhm okay

more busted than fox girl?

[hidden portal]

owl is

nonas about the same

li's ult summons faster than nonas mech

[viscid prism]

okay i see

any nice youtube video you could recommend me?

like just seeing the chars at somewhat full power?

or any video in the dc maybe?

[hidden portal]

i just played

and copied what i saw others do

[viscid prism]

okay

[hidden portal]

u max level?

[viscid prism]

yes

full

[hidden portal]

ah a 1 trick

[viscid prism]

not rlly

I just liked using fox

Have played lots of bird too

[hidden portal]

which bird

[viscid prism]

grren

green

[hidden portal]

o

[viscid prism]

oh and rabbit girl

I used her a lot when she was new

[hidden portal]

tao is cool

[viscid prism]

she was super strong

yea

absolutely

might just play her again

she is super unique idk

I mean they all are unqique but she's just got a vibe

is she valid tho? Like can you play her and do reincarnation?

I'm stuck on reincarnation 3

[hidden portal]

every character can be used anywhere

[viscid prism]

yea but like

[hidden portal]

just gotta know what 2 use

[viscid prism]

some are stronger than others

[hidden portal]

yes

[viscid prism]

so what tier would you put her in?

[hidden portal]

who

[viscid prism]

rabbit girl

[hidden portal]

s

[viscid prism]

oh really?

mhm mhm

I see

[hidden portal]

yes

even the base character is good

[viscid prism]

I had like one crazy run with the fox

other than that my runs have always been pretty bland

[hidden portal]

never gotten that high

just 332mill

[viscid prism]

I had quite luck with what I got in that run

[hidden portal]

i only use the e

fun and easy

[viscid prism]

generally speaking quite the easy champ

[hidden portal]

her nona xi xiao tao arent that hard

[naive blade]

Can't wait for the 25th

[hidden portal]

New dlc?

[proud shale]

Reincarnation 9 update

[hidden portal]

Woo

[split plinth]

does big hippo have the highest base magazine of all guns?

planning to do a concealed ammo build with the explosion per 6 ammo in the magazine

[wise oasis]

Big hippo, star ring and one of the gloves can have high magazine size

[hidden portal]

do any1 here play modded terraria?

[visual osprey]

I do!

[hidden portal]

need ppl 2 play calamity with me cuz ion wtf im doin

[visual osprey]

On revengeance?

[hidden portal]

yes

[glad iris]

#other-games

[tough pelican]

so im assuming everyone can do work with the mortar

it feels like a weapon that's impossible to not do work with

[hidden portal]

work best on ppl who can make the reload faster

nona and ao bai

[tough pelican]

ao bai is dog right

i know nona is red panda

[hidden portal]

yes ao bai is dog

[strange mountain]

is panda too strong?

[hidden portal]

sometimes

[vapid crag]

Yes

The talent that lets iron wing revive you means she's almost impossible to kill, even in singleplayer where it's at least possible to kill players

And it's not even like her damage is bad to attempt to balance it out

It's maybe below average across the cast but that's just because everyone does way too much damage lmao

[queen citrus]

Me and my friend both got downed at the same time, multiple times....and STILL WON

[fallen escarp]

The fact that this is even a realistic scenario is... still amazing how easy the game can get.

[proven kiln]

How do I get Crown Prince's Level Frame easily?

Its the last achievement I need for the base game

[valid zephyr]

probably splinter orb blessing in reincarnation 1

[fallen escarp]

I don't believe there's an "easy" way to get it, as I've seen many people come here asking how to get it after trying to brute-force it with orb spamming.

Probably the easiest you can get it is by taking Ultimate Gambler first, and maybe Splinter Orb too.

Then just go for Power Source and Chained Duration ascensions, rerolling when you don't get them.

Key thing to do is watch the freeze status icon on the elite you're dealing with. When the status starts to flash, recast Energy Orb.

[somber solar]

...i have never noticed the freeze icon flashes before expiring.
probably because i rarely play cat

[reef creek]

If one wanna play multiplayer can they just matchmake into it? Or is the player pool spread too thin due to the many different levels?

[fallen escarp]

Technically both.

You can matchmake to find other players, but you may or may not find anyone depending on certain things, like your location or the time of day.

[nimble flint]

Actually a bug I also noticed that a single application of splinter orb freeze can cause a reduced freeze time

I have been trying to get it to work for a while now

[high salmon]

Dear Duoyi Games,

pls give me more gunfire content now : )

thx,
Dart

game is pretty cool want more

[proud shale]

true!

[high salmon]

put more game in my game so I can intake more game more efficiently

[cobalt dock]

next friday

[fallen escarp]

Wish granted!

• New Blessings:
• General
• Flowing Skills: +200% Total Primary Skill DMG for 5s after casting Secondary Skill. +200% Total Secondary Skill DMG for 5s after casting Primary Skill. Bonuses are doubled if both are active.
• Crown Prince
• Eternal Chains: +8s Freeze duration for Energy Orb. Smoke Grenade can Freeze for 4s. +300% Total DMG against frozen enemies.
• Lei Luo
• Thundering Rounds: During Fatal Current, lose 0.5s duration instead of ending Fatal Current when hitting an enemy with a weapon. +100% Total Weapon DMG (up to +1000%) when killing an enemy during this Fatal Current.
• Tao
• Sword Hurricane: +6 base and max stacks for Swords Out. -50% Swords Out cooldown. Flying swords from Swords Out can pierce twice.
• Qian Sui
• Unstoppable Barrier: Max Shield is doubled. +5% Weapon and Skill DMG for every Max Shield you have.
• Li
• Ascended Firefox: Automatically summon a firefox towards the nearest enemy for every 60 energy consumed or recovered. Firefox DMG is based on a fully charged Spiritual Flame.
• Nona
• Never Give Up: +100% time until death for Nona and Iron Wing. +50% Total DMG (up to +1000%) every time you or Iron Wing are revived. Reset at every starting stage.

A finger on the monkey's paw curls inward.

[high salmon]

you spent a while typing that out

[high salmon]

wait actually

[fallen escarp]

If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.

[high salmon]

I don't recall anything about an august update

[fallen escarp]

Twitter's fucky, so that's why.

[high salmon]

fuck yeah

presumably reincarnation 9

[proud shale]

yes

[high salmon]

and what I'd guess to be a turtle gun

[proud shale]

i think its gonna be a shield weapon

[high salmon]

same kinda deal as Justice/Dual Fang/etc

yeah that's what I was just thinking

[pearl garden]

Foundry 2.0

[high salmon]

I want a character that customizes and powers up foundry for a primary skill

[fallen escarp]

Snapping turtle weapon. It's melee where you latch onto an enemy and don't let go.

[proud shale]

now does 15% of an enemys total hp as damage every shot

[pearl garden]

Literally just a Foundry with some cosmetic changes and potential to Gemini/have inscriptions

[broken brook]

Hopefully we get a new smg or shotgun

actually a rocket launcher that fires heat syncing missles would be good too

[fallen escarp]

Launchers, injectors and melee weapons are the categories currently lacking.

[pearl garden]

I wouldn't mind a new sword for sure. Injectors I think we're good for now. Just got a new one that nobody uses

[fallen escarp]

Nobody uses it because it's an average DMG/RoF weapon that has merely good damage output, not great output.

[strange mountain]

the octopus gun is fun

just panda needs pistols

and aura of venom too strong with her

[foggy salmon]

Maybe not traditional, but there is so many pistols for Nona

More weapons than you'd expect are categorized as pistols x3

I'd definitely love to see a new launcher

[fallen escarp]

It ends up being Deafening Mortar, but with an even longer range, a larger explosion radius, higher damage and more ammo consumption.

[neon yacht]

Give us a full size throwable explosive barrel that can swap elements like Talisman. Just think the idea of a someone running around with a barrel the same size as they are and throwing it at people would be funny.

Call it "Cursed Keg"

[fervent bough]

dual wield cursed keg meta

[reef creek]

Guys we need Gjallahorn

Devs should definitely look at exotic weapons from Destiny for inspiration, there is some gold there lol

[small ledge]

I actually have the Nerf Gjallarhorn

It is a beauty of a blaster. I hope to sleeper mod it soon

[hidden portal]

blows up house

[proud shale]

yep, seems like gunfire alright

[visual osprey]

Nice boots

[split plinth]

mortar one dog army build is fun

especially when you get enhanced special ammo and hawkeye sight/glazed sight

counterviolence carries it tho

[tough pelican]

oh so the secret to beating nightmare is nona

good to know

[hidden portal]

any1 works

[fallen escarp]

Nona's an overpowered DLC hero who can pretty much die as much as she likes once you've got her 4th talent, so...

[somber solar]

How do you cancel the Venom pistol's autofire without needing to reload or switch weapons?

[fallen escarp]

In the video, they didn't. It automatically stops after firing 99 shots.

But to answer the question, casting primary and secondary skills also count.

[somber solar]

áh, a failsafe, if the magazine happens to be ♾️

[reef creek]

This is the kinda shit that makes me want to play with m/kb

I can't snap aim like that on controller which makes Venom kinda lackluster

[proud shale]

funny enough gunfire is what taught me how to play on m&k

[fervent bough]

IDK how people play fps on controller well tbh. I did when I was a kid but swapped to KBM like 10 years ago and haven't touched a controller for shooters since. I tried with the last COD and kbm was just 100x better

[nimble flint]

it was confirmed that keyboard and mouse is simply better for fps

the stick cant keep up with fine movement of the mouse which translates 1:1 to the aim

also precision , the stick movement is heavily restricted in just a cm or two in total movement

[fervent bough]

I know some cracked controller players but I feel like if they put effort into KBM they would be a lot better

[nimble flint]

with that you have to control the camera

even the most cracked console will lose out to higher to mid high mouse

mouse has your literal arm length as the possible area to move the camera

[fervent bough]

Yeah I've been playing Nier Replicant on controller and camera movement is really annoying

[quasi arrow]

What's more annoying is that there's only one and a half tracks for the entire game. This mental damage overshadows the controls

[fervent bough]

yeah I'm just cooking through the 5 endings then IDK what to play

[vapid crag]

This is honestly a pretty dated mindset

I've seen people play comp tf2 and do well in that incredibly high skill environment with a controller

The key is to use a good controller with newer technology, not some dated piece of crap

Controllers compatible with gyro aiming and touch pads are almost as good as m&k, if not perfectly on par

https://youtu.be/PJIqEX93vL8

This is tf2 specific but a good demonstration of shooters on controller in general

I've been thinking of making the switch to playing shooters on a controller lol

[quasi arrow]

Try it, then you can tell these guys how it's played
https://prosettings.net/lists/cs-go/

[vapid crag]

Nah no thanks lol

CS:GO is a game I detest to a pretty comical extent

[nimble flint]

But you ignore a key part

the controllers with additional tech

mouse is mouse

remove all support and have pure input and the controller falls flat

[quasi arrow]

I'd rather take the old good Microsoft 1.1a over the newest top-of-the-line controller for playing shooters

[vapid crag]

Who cares?

Like, I totally get that

Personal preference etc etc

But I don't see the argument for controllers being objectively worse anymore, for games that support them

The gap's shrinking so I don't like telling people they can't play a certain way

The real problem is not every shooter supports those extra features and that is genuinely unfortunate

[quasi arrow]

Well, I haven't seen anyone use controllers in fast-paced shooters heavily reliant on aim, either

[vapid crag]

I just linked a vid showing how possible it is

And splatoon players do it. PC players like what they like tho and that's totally fine, there is no reason to switch if you're comfortable on m&k, I just don't think preferences should be understood as facts

[fervent bough]

I don't think any of us were doing that though

[vapid crag]

For me, I'm a tall person with big hands so my mouse and desk are pretty uncomfortable

Which is why I'll probably switch over

[vapid crag]

This is a sentiment I see a lot, stated objectively

[vapid crag]

So I disagree but maybe I misunderstood

[quasi arrow]

DS4 was released in 2013, and if playing with a gyro was truly better, then all professional players would be using controllers by now. However, in the professional scene, controllers are only used in games where either there's aim-assist or where aiming is not crucial at all

[fallen escarp]

#other-games since it's not about Gunfire Reborn specifically anymore.

[small ledge]

question

If I'm trying to beat Lei Luo's frame chalenge

is it only Weapon and Skill damage?

as in, I can't have enemies die to things like barrels and other enviornment traps?

[nimble flint]

You can

in your buff bar is an icon that indiciates if you still can finish the challenge

Just Foundry, Sniper and Skill dmg
Honestly one of the easiest challenges

Reincarnation 1
Go Full skill build with High Powered Arc and Lightning Gov

For added easyness go Lone Wolf 2 and pick Overconsumption

[tough pelican]

sadly gunfire reborn doesnt support gyroscopes alongside controller inputs

i wish it did because id love playing it on deck

[somber solar]

You sure? Have you tried programming one in yourself? (if you have a Deck/Steam Controller on hand to program their Gyro to mouse via Steam Input)

But also, kind of hard to believe it also doesn't support regular controller input--...oooooh, you meant both at the same time.

Well, in that case just program the inputs to use keyboard bindings.. May not be perfect, but would be worth trying it out.

[tough pelican]

yeah that's the input I use but it still feels a bit weird

[quasi arrow]

ok

[vapid crag]

anybody can link a op dog build?

[quasi arrow]

it support "Gyro as a Joystick", like Wolfenstein

[small ledge]

Easy.
#1 Get a brick
#2 Get an additional brick
#3 Dual Wield ascensions
#4 Obliterate

[lucid nova]

Easier:

1. Get brick
2. One dog army blessing
3. Yum

[small ledge]

I like the way you think

[mortal trench]

How do i dodge tge multi slam for

[fallen escarp]

Jump multiple times.

[mortal trench]

I ussaly get hit before I can land again

[fallen escarp]

Jump slightly earlier.

If you get hit, you're not going to land before getting hit again, so don't get hit.

[mortal trench]

K

[nimble flint]

If you have trouble with air time, I tend to jump forward towards the wave and when its below me I pull back

The wave travels faster so you can land and have enough time for the next wave to jump

[mortal trench]

Falling star seems better than cards on reincarnation

The star compass blessing is too good

[visual osprey]

I mean, it’s pubs for a reason

[mortal trench]

I don't play on public either I play solo or with people I know

[split plinth]

ok so combustion turtle with fire tower is uh

really damn good

43 million

lost but got just as much dmg as my old best of 1.4b with fists

[visual osprey]

Turtle can’t fit his hand in da pringles can tho

[split plinth]

unfortunately

doomed to walk the earth without fitting his hands in a pringles can

[visual osprey]

A fate worse than death

@split plinth are you digging trenches so god can bring back da trench gun

[mild hedge]

do i need to beat all acts for the sky is the limit achievement?

[vapid crag]

Nah, just the main three.

[mild hedge]

thanks

[pine oxide]

whats the best build for panda now that shes been out for a while

[tough pelican]

i think the better question is what is a bad build for panda since she's been out a while

she can literally do anything

[small ledge]

there's a panda in this game?

It sounds like you guys are talking about Chicken

[tough pelican]

red panda

nona

unless you're claling nona a coward

which is somethiing i would agree with

[small ledge]

I mean to be fair, Nona is basically this game's D.Va

shoutout to worst game currently on steam

[vapid crag]

If anything, Nona is Axton crossed with Gaige.

...And Zane's shoulder turret.

[fallen escarp]

More like Fl4k with their companion.

As unlike Axton or Gaige, Nona never has to summon Iron Wing.

[vapid crag]

It's a mech though. Eh, whatever.

[fallen escarp]

Other Fl4k similarities includes their primary skill working as a bonus to their companion rather than the summoning itself, the companion getting knocked down which can be revived instead of being destroyed outright, and the ability to get revived by said companion.

[somber solar]

The joke was that Nona herself is 45% useless, and her mech, controlled by a chicken, is what carries most builds for her.

[vapid crag]

Chicken do be the real MVP. Love that bastard.

[small ledge]

the real 4th hero in any squad

[fallen escarp]

Join the 4P Squad. We have:
• Dog/tiger/fox/owl that outdamages everyone tenfold.
• 87 down count player with no sense of caution.
• Chicken.
• Painkiller.

[rose agate]

man 55% of players are actually so skilled

[fallen escarp]

Not as skilled as the 2.4% who have never died.

[tough pelican]

i almost wanna do a pure grenade painkiller cat run

not firing a single shot

[fallen escarp]

Go for it. It's not unviable if you also pick Endless Assault.

If you want to take it a step further, you can do a pure Pair of Us Iron Wing run where you don't fire a shot or cast a skill.

[versed pivot]

Any advice on who to pick for speedrun achivemants?

[quasi arrow]

Tao+Spore

[fallen escarp]

Bunny. Get the Legendary Craftsman talent, set up an optimal Spore build early, go ham.

[reef creek]

I etched a perfect spores green glove at +4

I wanna throw the entire computer at the sun

[tough pelican]

is spores worth it over element share

[reef creek]

On high RoF multi target auto aim weapons? Every time

[fallen escarp]

On anything rapid-fire it usually is, unless you've got some really wacky elemental build already under construction. Like Energy Draining.

[quasi arrow]

It all depends on what your goal is. To quickly go through solo - yes. To resurrect the rest of the team in co-op R8 - yes, because there won't be any other use for you

Well, only if you're playing with people who understand what they're doing in co-op, which doesn't happen all that often. That's why you can run with Spore there, but the risk of you having 500m damage while others have 1-2 billion is extremely high

[tough pelican]

that's a risk

what the hell is this game

i thought borderlands 3 had juiced up damage numbers

this game is the looter shooter equivalent to roid rage

[reef creek]

Oh, really? Spores suck in multiplayer?

[tough pelican]

and I've been told that element share is by far the best Gemini inscription in the game

[reef creek]

I play single player and I always pick the 100% chance to apply every debuff under the sun on any elemental effect so Idc about element share lmao

With Lone Wolf

Not once have I played multiplayer

[quasi arrow]

Thats the same as solo, because monsters HP does not scale with Lone Wolf. So you just playing solo with 4x monsters count

[reef creek]

I understand that, I just can't grasp how spores would be bad if I delete monsters with some builds with two ticks of damage from a high RoF glove. Would people outclass me that hard just because it would take what, 8 ticks?

I really have no experience, my question is legitimate

[quasi arrow]

That's right, Spore has a significant scale, but there are builds that scale much better. Considering that monster health scaling is extremely high with each player in multiplayer, you'll be falling behind in damage compared to practically any build. Well, what will you be killing if Tiger presses one button and wipes everything on the map? Correct - you'll be running and collecting souls.

[reef creek]

I actually find that very cool

[quasi arrow]

I'm not the one who judges others for their questions.

[reef creek]

Gonna check for better builds then. I was feeling kinda stale that all my runs were converging to spore builds + grenade spam

[quasi arrow]

Well, if you're playing solo only, then Spore will definitely be sufficient for you. Until you get tired of it 🙂

[cobalt dock]

most things are on that scale

[mortal trench]

I got r8

[granite gust]

Feels good

[tough pelican]

i wanna say owl goes brr

but it seems like everyone is brrable

[visual osprey]

Funny star does funny

[stable tundra]

anyone here that can help with a game issue?

[mortal trench]

Already beat it twice

It's kinda a nonexistant jump in difficulty

[rain vale]

I stg the next time I see glazed barrier I'm going to commit war crimes

Half of those stupid challenge events just suppress what players like about this game

Nobody enjoys damage resistance

Nobody enjoys glazed barrier

The other ones are not quite as bad

But still I dream of devs pulling a Borderlands 3 move and giving us reincarnation scaling without the modifiers

[visual osprey]

Me, running Magical Supply and I see second wind

[rain vale]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-sfm-team-fortress2-sourcefilmmaker-gif-18587844

Me, running tsunami punch with advanced veteran

[rain vale]

Turns out having 800 shield makes the game easier

[fallen escarp]

Those same challenge events are also the only reason why Reincarnation could even be considered difficult.

Well, besides lack of player observation and the 3.2x to 3.9x damage multiplier.

[naive blade]

Mutant Penguins and Second Wind

[nimble flint]

Mutant Penguin vs 2k shield

Match over in about half a second...

[tough pelican]

Why do i think every sniper sucks

only to actually use them and be like "wow these are awesome"

like the lightning kasna and the goshawk

[fallen escarp]

Because they slowly instant kill 1 target, instead of quickly kill many targets so fast you might as well be instant killing them.

[tough pelican]

but with certain builds they kinda rule

[fallen escarp]

"Why shoot a single enemy in the head when you can kill the entire group with a Deafening Mortar, or melt each enemy with Spores?"

[tough pelican]

bc daily challenge says i cant use deafening mortar

[fallen escarp]

They're good, but their biggest strength is also their biggest weakness that many other weapons can overcome through sheer stat powercreep.

Also daily challenges are Elite difficulty, which is nowhere near what happens on Reincarnation or in Spiritual Assault.

[tough pelican]

oh the brick is a sniper

oh thats lame

whats the point of daily challenges then

[fallen escarp]

2 achievements and curiosity.

It's a relic of a time when the game wasn't focused on how quickly you could hit the damage cap.

[tough pelican]

i thought you'd at least get a fat stack of essence from it

[fallen escarp]

It has not been updated to reflect the changes around it, so it's remained obsolete for ages.

[distant idol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/525355127520100363/1073897339053428836/neco_brick.gif

[naive blade]

Is a Flame Dance Li build any fun?

[fringe crystal]

Flame dance isn't a core blessing but I guess you could

Energy draining / raging inferno and cataclysm are the main ones

Then flame dance just adds to energy draining

There's no special visual effects or anything unique about flame dance besides the fact it's extra damage

[naive blade]

ok

[small ledge]

Excuse you?

Brick is awesome, fym?

[tough pelican]

I wasn't referring to the brick

I was referring to the daily challenges sucking

[small ledge]

Oh true

They're neat for warmups but that's about it

[reef creek]

DLC worth it then?

Don't have it yet

I haven't played any character but cat tho

Might try them before brick

[small ledge]

DLC is worth for brick alone tbh

The characters are neat too. Owl is pretty complex, and panda is fun to play when you want to relax

[reef creek]

OH

How come I never realised game had an owl

I have two owl tattoos and my lockscreen is an owl

Wtf instant buy

[small ledge]

Hell yeah

[reef creek]

I'm an Owl main btw

Just so y'all know

[tropic mesa]

Peeps, do you think I am too whiny if I say that Rogue Arsonists are the worst enemy in the whole game?

In terms of annoyance, I mean?

[small ledge]

I find the Ice penguins to be an even bigger nuisance, personally

[tropic mesa]

Good point.
But the two are very similar tho: they hit repeatedly, they have a ton of health, and most importantly, they are fast enough to literally lock onto you and chase you for a looong way.

[somber solar]

I personally enjoy Daily Challenges because they introduce fun gimmick runs i wish expanded to all 4 acts.

My favorites and why are:

• Explosive Carnival for fun dog boom booms
• Elite Sniper to practice tiger
• Vlad's dream for no shield doggo run
• Economic Pressure for any fun risk vs reward runs
• [the name of the more occult scrolls one], made for owl

I may have forgotten some other favorites.

[quartz narwhal]

hi

[visual osprey]

If I make it to the 4th area, those penguins are getting absolutely obliterated. Arsonists are more of a pain if you aren’t prepared enough yet just entering the desert imo.

But still, those penguins terrify me

[vapid crag]

Personally I really hate elite mandril calvalry

Odds are you've turned the game into an uninteractive walking sim by the time you reach them, but you pretty much need to have done that to so much as stand a chance. Bad game design, game sux

[fallen escarp]

If you couldn't turn the game into a walking sim, I'd support Elite Mandrill Cavalrys getting nerfed.

But since the developers and most people wouldn't support that decision? Enjoy your orange monkey and penguin of death.

[vapid crag]

Of course an enemy needs to be that strong to try to challenge a player that is as strong as gunfire makes players, so I understand why it's that way, but why give players the ability to scale that hard that easily in the first place?

Gunfire is like a case study in how not to design/update a game

[tropic mesa]

In all fairness, the first runs I did kicked my butt.
On NORMAL.
Eventually, I learnt how the game works and I do far better.

Truth be told, I find incredibly cathartic getting more and more powerful until I AM the final boss.

[naive blade]

Same

[reef creek]

wtf

I know nothing of this game and this is probably the best roll possible

[fallen escarp]

Yes, but the difference is that most games the same genre let you become a complete badass if you get lucky enough. The runs are rare, but they're a wonderful treat and change of pace.

Gunfire Reborn on the other hand lets you achieve this power almost every run on Reincarnation. Bad runs where you get completely stomped instead are the rare ones.

The change of pace from winning effortlessly to dying painfully isn't the same as other games. Instead of hoping you get a rare god run, you're praying RNG doesn't rarely screw you. Not a good way of thinking.

[tropic mesa]

Considering that the game is still kicking my butt despite the number of runs I did on the highest difficulties, with all the modifiers on... I'd say that this is mostly subjective. lol

[fallen escarp]

I guess you haven't quite figured out how to tear up the game every run from the very beginning yet.

[naive blade]

I'm just bad.

[tropic mesa]

Wellll... no. lol
Unless I use Nona or Li, two characters who are rather powerful, I have very low chances as of now to get to the end without good RNG. lol

We could argue that I need to... "git gud", which is true, but that's a challenge: at Rencarnation 8, traps are everywhere, enemies get tons of boosts and modifiers, the damage is through the roof, and some of them have literally homing projectiles.

Plus, despite the in-game hints tell you to move constantly to avoid being hit (kinda like Doom), that's not truly appliable at higher difficulties, due to the traps and the fact that areas are full of obstacles getting in the way.

Sooooo... I'd say that the game still requires a lot of skill.

This opinion is subject to change, of course, but in the meantime... I'm having fun experimenting with weapon combinations.

[fallen escarp]

Undeniably the game requires a lot of skill.

But in a twist of fate, once you've got that skill you don't actually need a lot of it, because the higher difficulties borderline hand you the win on a silver platter, instead of getting genuinely harder.

You end up with the relevant skills being knowing how you can stack damage to kill everything instantly, plus a little bit of dodging know-how for the few enemies that survive.

[tropic mesa]

I think we can apply that to any game then. lol
I mean... once you get skilled to any game, then it will automatically serve you a victory on a silver platter.

But, at that point, after so many hours spent learning and improving, I dare to say that you deserve it, it's your reward for becoming good. You peaked your skills at that game, it doesn't have anything else to challenge you, and you'll be able to steamroll it every time, especially when the game doesn't have RNG elements.

[fallen escarp]

Actually other games typically don't hand you the win on a silver platter, because they usually have their hardest difficulty actually be the hardest.

[tropic mesa]

Well, again, if you play that difficulty multiple times, eventually it becomes easy as well. lol
That's what I meant.

[fallen escarp]

Gunfire does not. Your power scales faster than the enemies on Reincarnation, and only on Reincarnation.

Compare that to say... hmm... what's a good example...

I dunno, Risk of Rain 2? I don't have the game, but I know the harder difficulties scale enemy power up faster than easier difficulties, while players don't receive the same benefit.

[tropic mesa]

I'm unable to properly judge sadly, as I never played the game.

[fallen escarp]

Harder difficulties for more skilled players are genuinely harder.

Gunfire suffers the opposite, where harder difficulties for skilled players gives so much potential to smack enemies to pieces, despite the enemies supposedly getting stronger.

[reef creek]

Good example. No matter how overpowered you are, eventually something is gonna one shot you through all the bullshit

I haven't hit a wall at all from R1 up till R6. My next run is gonna be R7.
Elite halted my progress for a bit. Nightmare was a huge wall to overcome and I feel like I wouldn't breeze through it again if I just went back

All Reincarnation levels at this point were literally one try, one win.
And I played then all on the back of Painkiller* from Lone Wolf, not even a challenge

[lunar bridge]

the thing is that, ror2 has more than just stage advanced that increases the enemy scaling. ror2 also has time scaling, where the enemies will get stronger even if you were to loiter in a stage.
which is different with gunfire, as it only has the stage advanced difficulty increase part. I'd imagine that if ror2 doesn't have the time scaling, it'll be almost similar to gunfire difficulty-wise.

[proud shale]

ror2 also doesnt give you stuff like painkiller 5 seconds into the game

[lunar bridge]

true

[fallen escarp]

Not the point. The point is that harder difficulties don't reward the player more than it hinders them.

[reef creek]

That one lmao
Broken as fuck

[fallen escarp]

If Gunfire Reborn also had time-based scaling, you'd still be given overpowered blessings and enhanced scrolls/weapons to tear enemies to pieces.

[reef creek]

I have beaten Monsoon like 6 times and I have around 150 hours on RoR2.

Truly I ain't no parameter cuz I suck but I can beat the other two difficulties very consistently. Not Monsoon tho.

And we won't talk about Eclipse

[fallen escarp]

Which, if anything, would make a time-based scaling mechanic pointless because you kill enemies faster than lower difficulties.

[proud shale]

oh yeah eclipse is a great example too

disables artifacts, meaning you can't use artifact of command and sacrifice lol

[reef creek]

Is that the only difference between Monsoon and Eclipse 1? If so I can play Eclipse 1 cuz I like vanilla, artifacts feel like cheating

[proud shale]

modifiers too

[reef creek]

Wtf lol

I'm good, not touching that

[lunar bridge]

i mean, isn't that the point of a roguelite though? in that you get stronger/game get easier the more "thing*" you invest into it? 🤔
*whatsit called, metacurrency? idunno.

[fallen escarp]

Still not the point. Metacurrency makes the game easier over time, but the harder difficulties are still harder.

[reef creek]

Dude
Reincarnation is a sandbox game mode. It ain't harder at all, it's actually easier than Nightmare

[fallen escarp]

There's no talent that makes enemies on Nightmare and Reincarnation difficulty have -50% HP and DMG, for example.

That genuinely would make higher difficulties easier than lower ones.

But we don't have that.

And most games don't have that either.

It is Reincarnation itself that is easier, not our out-of-game progression that makes it so.

[tropic mesa]

You know, all things considered, Gunfire takes more inspiration from The Binding of Isaac.
Both, in fact, have ways to utterly break the game.

BUT... in Isaac new updates went beyond just going from Point A to Point B, and went all out with alternate pathways, or different room generations, which probably helps making each run different.

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind Gunfire attempting this in the future.

[reef creek]

I feel like metaprogression on rogues is just like training wheels to help you reach the highest difficulty where "the real game" is.

You're supposed to win early modes with whatever stat boosts you get from the metaprogression.
Then you reach the challenging difficulty where you are at the peak of your power and so is the game

[reef creek]

You can break the game on almost if not all rogue games.

But I haven't seen another game where I break it every-single-run like this one, you see?

All the time I play reincarnation, with my very veeeeery limited knowledge, I'm über broken on the second boss already

[tropic mesa]

Subjective. lol
I can only break it with specific characters, honestly, but if I pick other ones... oh my, I get my butt served on silver plate rather than the victory. LOL

[reef creek]

World 3 and 4 are pretty much sandboxes where I reap the results of my build and improve it even further

[reef creek]

Can't argue, I only play solo cat with Painkiller from Lone Wolf.

Grenades are already a free W

[glad iris]

They've been nerfing the difficulties over time so it's kinda expected now.

[tropic mesa]

Yeah, I did see for example they started nerfing, for example, Qing Yan.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bizarre Dream is moved to an entirely separate mode where you can have fun with modifiers, while Reincarnation is the part where you have to prepare your wahoo.

[reef creek]

Is this game mod-friendly at all? I have limited programming knowledge, although taking high level education on this subject. Maybe in the future I can take a look

[fallen escarp]

No. Developers don't want mods.

[glad iris]

I meant they nerfed the difficulty directly, not the characters.

For example, cube rooms used to be mandatory.