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flat timber
visual osprey
I am about to run it up
flat timber
Welp
tame pumice
sorry mate i didnt see this, i dont usually stream anyways since sound doesn't work
flat timber
oh np
fervent bough
Which is better, pistol or missile build for nona?
I personally go missile with a spore weapon setup as a compliment to that
broken pier
can the dragonchaser not crit the dark faced bandits? crit it np with other weapons but can't with dragonchaser with or without a mark on them
fallen escarp
There's a bug where Dark-faced Bandits can't be critted by various weapons.
broken pier
ah ok
little vortex
There's a bug where Dark-faced Bandits can't be critted by various weapons.
That explains a lot!
visual osprey
I encounter it daily 😭
nimble flint
The hitbox has an issue
agile grotto
How to crit Dragon Quian? Shooting head doesn't work
fallen escarp
The head. Some weapons and all skills cannot naturally crit.
nimble flint
the bag hitbox often overlaps with the head, could be that
agile grotto
True. As much as I love sniping, my hand is too impatient to calculate holitboxes, oftentime
quartz cradle
First time got to Snow Biome, beat the Elite Difficulty didn't need to use Revive xD
gray cairn
egg
mortal trench
How big is the jump from elite to nightmare
I just beat elite
I also beat normal today
fallen escarp
The biggest difficulty jump in the game.
quasi arrow
How big is the jump from elite to nightmare
2,54 cm
mortal trench
Is the normal elite jump small
nimble flint
Kinda
mortal trench
For me it felt really small
fallen escarp
Big enough to notice, but not enough to overcome your newfound knowledge and talents.
mortal trench
Big enough to notice, but not enough to overcome your newfound knowledge and tal...
For nightmare jump would I need to change my playstyle
fallen escarp
Depends.
mortal trench
Is owl secondary build good on nightmare
That's what I used for both normal and elite
I basically instakilled the bosses
Expect the third area boss
Idk how I deal dmg to it
Sometimes it hit sometimes he doesn't get dmg ed
fallen escarp
Tears up pretty much any difficulty.
Most DLC heroes are overpowered, so it's hard to screw up with them.
mortal trench
So far the secondary seems more powerful that the primary builds is that true or am I doing something wrong
fallen escarp
Yep, that's true.
Minimal RNG reliance, very potent ascensions, and can hit pretty much anything you look at.
mortal trench
Ascensions?
fallen escarp
The goblet things.
mortal trench
K
Yea they are really good
In what order would you rank all the characters from.strongest to weakest
fallen escarp
Varies heavily late game, purely based on what you pick at the start.
Though the general scope of things usually has the Birb, Dog and Bunny put near the low end. Cat, Tiger, Turtle, Monkey and Red Panda around the middle. Fox and Owl near the top.
mortal trench
It's funny how I play characters on oppisite sides
are the ones I play
Also is there any mods that increase difficulty I heard the one after nightmare is easier
fallen escarp
Nope.
Realistically the only thing you can do to increase the difficulty is deliberately make stupid choices.
Like completely avoiding powerful stuff.
mortal trench
Is there just a lack of modding support
fallen escarp
There is none at all, and the developers don't want it either.
So talk about modding isn't allowed here.
mortal trench
Ok
I'll avoid that topic
I just didn't know
Sorry about that
I joined the server a long time ago asking when the switch port will go I then recently I got a steam deck and started talking here
So I kinda forgot tge rules in that time 😅
I'm rereading them rn
gray cairn
There is none at all, and the developers don't want it either.
Massive L
ember lintel
are there any good monkey builds? the strongest one so far i found is just essence chain spam build with pistol. everrything else i tried just feels lackluster
forest basin
Monkey's a pretty fair character, which isn't a bad thing. In my own experience I think explosive weapons with primary skill is a fine build, and he's also a fine character to let your weapons carry you with spores or the new mag share gemini, I think his kit interacts well with that. You're probably not going to find something a ton stronger than the chain essence spam though.
pearl garden
If playing Reincarnation and Lone Wolf I like to start with Counterviolence and the Soul Strike +2 blessings and go for a Fire Tower primary build. Super fun. Huge hits, especially with combustion procs. Can go Painkiller too if lucky.
The Counterviolence blessing in general is excellent for Monkey primary builds. So consider that if you're in reincarnation difficulty.
flat timber
got it!! (now i have both :D)
clever solar
dusky totem
LFT
ember lintel
does this work for monkey primary. or since its considered weapon damage it doesnt get boosted?
visual osprey
I’m pretty sure it doesn’t
fallen escarp
Classic.
glad iris
-lfg
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glad iris
wrong channel
fallen escarp
@dusky totem You've already been told to use another channel AND have posted in it. You had no reason to post here as well.
ember lintel
whats the point of the transcendental arsenal?
fallen escarp
Many people wonder the same thing.
But for an overview of its effects:
• +3 backup weapon slots. Might be useful for storing weapons you want to keep but don't want to use yet, like a gemini pair with no gemini inscription yet.
• Challenge events in all vaults. Could increase the difficulty of said vaults, maybe.
• Arsenal Guard appears in the last vault of act 3 and 4, plus after Pole Monarch is defeated. You can deposit and reclaim weapons here, however their level is based on the weapons in the current stage so it's virtually worthless for main weapons. Only useful for gemini fodder, if you don't have a good one already. This part can pretty much be ignored.
Basically, you can carry more weapons if you need to, vaults are harder and you get access to past weapons at a point you don't need them.
distant idol
You use the mode to hoard 
fiery bane
woah
fallen escarp
If I wanted to waste several hours, could reach well over 100 bil, 500 bil or even 1 tril.
But I don't so I won't.
fiery bane
Oh you like perma hold enemies?
fallen escarp
Get Spirit Feline, get Buffer Shield, get Thorny Carapace.
Idle around corrupt monks and elite corrupt monks.
No wait, an idle build won't work on self-destructing enemies.
Guess you'd just have to slap the lantern spirits yourself.
For hours.
fringe crystal
damage doesnt really matter cause anyone can farm infinite amounts
oh, the chat didnt scroll down lmao
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ripe moth
i js started the game with my friends, which characters should we use to ease our early game out?
fallen escarp
Nona.
flat timber
i js started the game with my friends, which characters should we use to ease ou...
owl
glad iris
pretty sure owl will just confuse new players.
ripe moth
i have around 20 hours on the game
could you guys maybe explain why..? that would make it easier to understand haha
glad iris
Nona is easily carry you through the game because the mech can revive you.
ripe moth
so tldr i should get the new dlc cause both characters are good
glad iris
without dlc cat is your best bet due to his nades.
ripe moth
alr thank you
flat timber
pretty sure owl will just confuse new players.
that was the point
flat timber
alr thank you
yes btw take cat throw bomb get fire weapon and use fire
bomb+fire + kabooom
ripe moth
im playing lightning guy with the mortar and one shotting stuff
i dont even know what animal it is
bear i think
flat timber
the sound track hits haaaard
ripe moth
yeah fr
fallen escarp
No...? I just answered a question and didn't realize there was more text to scroll down.
ripe moth
No...? I just answered a question and didn't realize there was more text to scro...
thank you altanna
flat timber
No...? I just answered a question and didn't realize there was more text to scro...
hahhaha ngl brick is worth it 📈
ripe moth
are there any talents that are really good and i should focus
cuz sometimes idk what to level up
fallen escarp
Survival talents are quite good, because there are so few things for increasing your survivability.
Other than that, specific high-level talents such as Golden Touch, New Look, Dazzling Treasures, Life Guardian, Skilled Craftsman and Legendary Craftsman are all powerful, so you should get them as soon as possible.
ripe moth
thank you
agile grotto
Does this game has "smart loot" system?
When I start to focus specific types of guns, they seem to be spawn more often. I think?
glad iris
doubt
fallen escarp
Yes, but limited to ammo and maybe buns.
If you have low ammo for a certain type, more of that type will spawn.
Heroes that use specific weapons typically have a hero talent for that instead, which works similarly.
agile grotto
Well, I used to play sniping for months untill today
And after I tried 
and I noticed the game still drops sniper "guns" a lot
ripe moth
how do i change iron wings form 😭
fallen escarp
Cancel button. Default is middle-click.
nimble flint
Thats because you just didnt have the right ascensions
nimble flint
with the missle storm ability from one of them Iron Wing can kill bosses easily
Just play some more
ripe moth
so i should do turret for bosses and normal for clears?
fallen escarp
Almost always better to focus on 1 playstyle, even for other heroes.
Hybrid builds exist, but are often less effective. Especially in the case of Nona where you literally cannot use both at their full potential at the same time.
quartz cradle
Do I just suck or is Nightmare that much more difficult than Elite?
On Nightmare I can barely go past first 3-4 areas of first stage xD
enemies are just so tanky and hit like a truck
Maybe I should upgrade guns less and replace them more?r
should I also focus less on taking guns only "optimal" weapons (for example taking only fire element weapons on fox)
quartz cradle
I really don't know what this tallent is supposed to do xD
like I cannot see what's the difference betweemn weapons before and after
digital bone
@quartz cradlethats mean you can upgrade one more time your weapon at the cradtsman
usually you have 2 upgrade so i think with this youll have 3
quartz cradle
oh... I am an idiot xD
I thought it meant to get more passives on weapon and that getting 3 upgrades was Nightmare thing
quartz cradle
What is the point of zoom multiplier on scopes? It there a benefit to have it set on low?
quartz cradle
Snipers do feel underwhelming... maybe some characters have better use for them? idk...
Rifles, Pistols and Knifes feel more impactful
also what is the difference between crit and luck shot? is luck shot just generally an RNG higher damage and Crit is more constant higher damage?
visual osprey
Crit is a weak spot hit
Headshot for most enemies
Lucky shot works like crits in traditional RPGs
Where you have a % chance to land an enhanced hit with various levels of scaling
quartz cradle
there are so many fucking mechanics in this game xD
are purple numbers just crit+luck?
proud shale
No, just a lucky shot within 101 - 200%
quartz cradle
ok
the scroll, what gives 2 extra lives in exchange of HP is kinda bad?
like on higher difficulties you just get 1 shotted anyways with its HP reduction
visual osprey
You get your hp back when you’re out of triple comeback revives
quartz cradle
true
but why would you take it then, if you will most likey use them all by being oneshot xD
I guess it could work with the one scroll that gives HP for kills
is armor resistant to everything except explosions?
cause, sometimes you bearly scratch enemies with armor
fervent bough
but why would you take it then, if you will most likey use them all by being one...
you get to where you just avoid getting hit well enough
nimble flint
is armor resistant to everything except explosions?
Actually opposite
Explosive weapons like Tiger Cannon deal less dmg to Armor
You want corrosive element on a weapon
See the dmg numbers ?
The right is from an armored target
quartz cradle
interesting... does Shield also has some other property rather then being weak to lightning & self regens?
visual osprey
It’s blue!
quartz cradle
it's a bit confusing why sometimes enemies with shield takes forever to kill, but they die instantly their shield is broken
is that some enemy property thing?
nimble flint
"Armored" enhanced monsters
Those with Armored in their name have double shield/armor but 1 HP
thats why Miasma deals only 1 dmg to them
gloomy hazel
hello i am new here and i have a question i played a cataclysm lee run today and flare calling (the metor on weapon hit thing) did not trigger cataclysm even though it says cast a burning metor upon weapon hit (i made sure the cataclysm trigger was ready) does any one know if that is a bug or intendet?
tacit belfry
Finally broke the 45M DMG per hit cap with Li
quartz cradle
what does interval means?
finite tree
I imagine it means that the damage happens again quicker. Damage Over Time, but that damage happens faster.
quartz cradle
so it's a buff? or just adjusment because of that 1 second
finite tree
It means that the damage area the smoke leaves lasts for one second longer and that damage ticks happen quicker.
thorny solar
Basically more damage
quartz cradle
sooo,...
let's say original duration is 3 seconds and interval is 100 damage per second (total 300).
upgraded then lasts 4 seconds and deals that same 100 damage every 0,8 seconds resulting in total damage of 500? so basically +40% Damage
thorny solar
Basically
Initial grenade impact also deals damage, so original hits 4 times.
Level 1 hits 6 times, level 2 hits 8 times, and level 3 hits 13 times.
nimble flint
The main benefit isnt even the dmg up but the frequency of triggering decay
if the enemy is burning all those triggers are doing explosion fusions
not stronger but faster
quartz cradle
explosion fusion... what lol
are there synergies between elemental effects?
thorny solar
Burn + Decay = Boom
nimble flint
The loading tipps tell you that ingame
thorny solar
Resulting in 200% damage to the original target and 100% to surrounding enemies. I think.
nimble flint
and you didnt notice that when using nades and other elements ?
Like shock and decay create miasma
quartz cradle
sooo... that is the reason everything explodes when kill enemies insade nades as the Cat...
nimble flint
yesnt
quartz cradle
this game is sooo deep...
nimble flint
there is also the ascension that makes dying enemies explode if they stood in a nade cloud
quartz cradle
what is the difference between corrosion and decay
nimble flint
Corrosion is the element
decay is the effect
( it says so on the image as well..)
quartz cradle
sooo... you are saying, that when I played with the Fox (my most played character so far...), I was basically cutting my DMG potential, cause I was limiting myself to Fire Weapons only xD
Cause Fire is used for boosting Primary Charge, I contantly were looking for weapons with fire element xD
thorny solar
You could still use fire weapons.
There is this gemini that allows weapons to share elemental effects.
Meaning if you have both a fire and corrosion weapon on hand, either weapon can inflict both effects.
quartz cradle
are gemini always found after first boss?
cause don't seem to recall finding any before-hand
thorny solar
You need a certain perk in the talent tree to start encountering them
quartz cradle
I have it, had Gemini runs, just they seem to get more common as the run progress, just guessing
thorny solar
You start finding weapons that naturally have them in Duo Fjord (the water level)
quartz cradle
this game seems so simple, yet I am just learning how complex it is lol
thorny solar
If you have access to etching, you can also etch any weapon that's level 5+ to have them as well
quartz cradle
what character is the easiest to beat the Nightmare run with?
the farther I got was with Nona, but she's pretty complex managing 2 health bars xD
thorny solar
Good question. I don't have the answer to that.
I would say maybe Nona because you can afford to be downed since the mech can revive you.
And the mech is usually bulky enough to not having to worry about it dying
At least from my experience.
I like using Li because combustion abuse.
quartz cradle
I have all the characters unlocked, but only really played Crown Prince, Li & Nona (the only ones currenly with all their Talents Purchased)
Li is very fun
nimble flint
Gemini has simple rules
Is the weapon +5 or higher one of its inscriptions will be a gemini or if you etch a weapon with 4 inscriptions the next one will be a gemini
The +5 also applies when you reroll all inscriptions of a weapon.
So if you have a +5 weapon with 2 inscriptions and have an effect reroll those inscriptions one will turn into a gemini
quartz cradle
so gemini only can be found on lvl5+ weapons?
nimble flint
yesnt
Normally yes
but there is an edge case
Xing Zhe's secondary temporarily increases a weapons level
With the first level of an ascension that bonus can be higher
so its technically possible to have an active gemini effect before the first boss
with weapons below +5
+1/+1 Gemini weapons
quartz cradle
Haven't tried Monkey yet... does he plays around Weapon Levels?
nimble flint
not really
its a side effect
he can enhance his weapons and use them for his skills so to speak
But weapon level is a side thing
nimble flint
Shop reroll
asap
And then the last Weapon one to be able to add an inscription to a weapon
pulsar mural
for tigers frame can I kill with my skill or is it just sniper?
nimble flint
Life Guardian ( the lvl 60 Survival) is one shot protection if you have problems with that
Skill and Sniper
You have a small buff icon in your hotbar that shows you that you can still get the achievement
if its gone you need to restart
pulsar mural
ohh ok thank you
quartz cradle
I tried to go for Li's Fox Frame, do you need to be just lucky to get the Golem?
cause that other boss will just keep healing his sheilds
before your primary is charged
nimble flint
You read that wrong
its not one shot
You can just use your Primary only to deal dmg
You can very well kill later bosses with that and get it
"defeat any boss with spiritual flame only"
quartz cradle
For flying lion? boss is there a way to dodge his lightning tornados?
cause they are always next to you xD
quartz cradle
xD
nimble flint
( they fizzle in sand traps)
quartz cradle
If you play Coop and someone doesn't have DLCs, how does the game spawns DLC weapons? are they simply not available?
quartz cradle
haven't tried Multiplayer yet, but do players get their own drops then?
quartz cradle
does that mean there are same amount of all loot for every player?
stuck bane
Yo i got a question since im new to this game
sorry in advance if this is a stupid one.
What does r8 when someone tries to invite someone over on the #1064937664870101033 ?
thorny solar
Reincarnation 8
novel axle
Reincarnation 8 you unlock thag after you beat all the other dificulties
thorny solar
It's the highest difficulty in the base game.
novel axle
Its hard well for me it is lol. I havent beet r1 yet
quartz cradle
does reincarnation have multiple levels or something?
thorny solar
1-8
quartz cradle
do you always start at 1? or once beaten, you can continue from there, if you die?
thorny solar
Not sure to be honest.
I was taken on an R8 level and once beat, got access to everything.
I would assume you would need to beat them in order from 1-8
Unless you got someone to carry you through a higher difficulty one such as 8
But I don't know for sure
Reincarnation is a lot easier than nightmare in many people's opinions though
thorny solar
Because you have access to bizarre dream modifiers and spiritual blessings.
nimble flint
But you can also joing an R8 match and then unlock R8 straight away after Nightmare
novel axle
If doin it solo you got 1 to 8
quartz cradle
OMG
thorny solar
Congratz
quartz cradle
thanks
shadow comet
Crit and Lucky shot are nice and all, but I prefer movespeed 😛 (sadly no ostrich rider 🙁 )
worn cloud
Anyone up for a run? Co-op is so much more fun
fallen escarp
Use #1064937664870101033.
worn cloud
Oh thanks! Didn't realize that existed.
fallen escarp
Depends on where you were shooting it, because I assume you were using your weapon as your main form of attack, what with the very hybrid ascensions.
amber sorrel
I was trying to go for a blazing meteor build but the ascensions did not agree
So yeah porcupine
fallen escarp
It's like Golem and Ichthyosaurus Offspring. Only certain parts take any reasonable damage, rest is heavily reduced.
amber sorrel
yeah the golden crit spot
fallen escarp
Porcupine also isn't that great when it comes to creating Combustion fusion effects either, so its damage bonus that way is minimal.
Yes you inflict Decay lots, but only 1 pellet per shot actually causes Combustion. The rest are blocked by the Combustion cooldown.
amber sorrel
Thanks
amber sorrel
yes
glad iris
well uh, porcupine isn't really that good of a weapon for spores.
It's one of the worst shotguns.
amber sorrel
oh
glad iris
Argus, wildhunt, and hell are the top 3.
amber sorrel
is it weird to say I don't like using those?
glad iris
With Argus being the best unless you can get Hell with the projectile inscription.
If you're using spores, yes.
amber sorrel
not even spores, just in general
gloomy hazel
also in general i have the feeling (could just be me though) that spores builds with rainbow as mainhand weapon do verry poorly against the serpent
nimble flint
Depends
Most of the time yes
But you can beat the serpent on its first dash with a spore rainbow.
gloomy hazel
i belive that i have seem spores do some crazy shit
bronze warren
Does anyone know if u will still get the owl icon if u pick up a cursed scroll
Where u have to be at nightmare or harder difficulty with the same rarity scrolls
nimble flint
Cursed scrolls are their own category
so its invalid if you arleady have others
Just stick to legendary scrolls and pass up all cursed options
mellow loom
Anyone familiar with the lucky roulette scroll? This is my first time seeing it and the description fried my brain
nimble flint
I wouldnt bother with it atm its broken
it doesnt do what it says
What it is supposed to do :
Replace the lowest digit in your money count with 1 and then randomize the order
What it does :
Replace random number with random number and then randomize money
Right now its not working 100% at the time like it should
flat timber
OMFG finally after 32 hours of gameplay ughffff
that blue gun was crazyyy with the character
mellow loom
What it does :
Replace random number with random number and then randomize mone...
Thanks for the heads up
alpine umbra
tbh how much ess do you need to max everything?
nimble flint
about 27k ish
spark stream
what remnants are good as monkey
gloomy hazel
@spark stream you mean blessings?
i personaly like "want em all" and then play a soulstrike/wombocombo build with a rocket launcher and a shotgun
field proficiency (later on only) i feel is quite good
and counterviolence makes for some ridiculous stuff, and firststrike can have some realy nutty interactions with the +100 magazine size if you use a rocketlauncher ( but that is a highrole thing since it requires a lot of varriables to fall in place)
worn cloud
OMFG finally after 32 hours of gameplay ughffff
Congrats! I think thats about how long it took me to get my first elite win and then I got carried through my first nightmare run this morning at like 100 hours played haha
flat timber
Congrats! I think thats about how long it took me to get my first elite win and ...
xD gonna grind more
alpine umbra
get on that grind brother, reincarnation mode is a drug
tacit belfry
Pyrodominance 3 with Fox = OP
finite tree
Iron Wing Strike Mode doesn't recieve benefits from anything besides specific ascensions right?
small ledge
brick
finite tree
I sea.
nimble flint
Skill Dmg increases his dmg
worn cloud
What is the best method for grinding essence? Just doing low difficulty runs or?
nimble flint
Reincarnation high difficulty on max lone wolf
gloomy hazel
What is the best method for grinding essence? Just doing low difficulty runs or?
reincarnation 8 lone wolf 4 and then jsut pic cat and restart till you get painkiler
thats what i did
since painkiller on cat is literaly an auto win in my oppinion
gloomy hazel
You don't need to restart
true
i allways have ultimate gambler as bonus blessing i forgott you can change that XD
reef creek
Is this game hard playing solo or am I bad?
I feel like i'm going a bit fast, yes, but I'm almost always dead if I'm just one second too late to kill/get cover
And it's just Elite, can't imagine higher difficulties
thorny solar
In my opinion, it really boils down to
"Do you know what you're doing?" or "Do you know how to build properly?"
Which is pretty hard for newer players to do on their own since there's a butt load of factors to take into when making builds. At least I felt that way when I first started.
If you know exactly what you are building and going for (and it's a build that works well), I don't think solo is that hard.
If not, then yeah, I think it might be a little difficult
fervent bough
Is this game hard playing solo or am I bad?
the wiki has multiple builds for each character if you are struggling to make a proper one
upbeat drift
Cat players on their way to play the sweatiest build ever but claim they were playing support cat the second they aren't leading by 1 bil damage
viscid sparrow
Is blessing in disguise worth taking or is there a time to not take it, it generally feels pretty good to me but i really don't know
nimble flint
Early on you screw yourself
As it remains in inventory when you use all charges and keeps you down to two choices after all double takes are used
if you get it later in the game its no downside at all
Also note "can screw" i mean
taking 2 for 1 is a strong effect
viscid sparrow
i see thats kinda what i had figured from experience, as I mainly got it during stage 3 or later
somber solar
Don't forget, that Blessing in Disguise will let you pick 2 Ascensions instead of 1 at Jokul.
So there's another good side of it for late game.
forest sluice
Are there any characters other than the dog that I should check out if I really like using grenade launcher type weapons?
I'm new to the game but if one of the dlc characters have a good focus in it I'll check em out 100%
reef creek
Why does sometimes etch doesn't add a gemini effect?
fallen escarp
The weapon you etched has both 4 or less levels, and 3 or less inscriptions.
Or you already have a gemini.
somber solar
For better clarity; The weapon either needs to already be level 5 or higher, or have atleast 4 inscriptions to have the etch produce a Gemini inscription.
zinc frigate
Bloody Ammo and 'Fish or Bear Paw', neither of these work on swords, right?
fallen escarp
Both work on swords. The use of Bloody Ammo on melee weapons is questionable though.
zinc frigate
Hmm, I was trying to use it with the Poisonous Ghost but it wasnt dealing any damage to me while empty. Seemed like it didn't work
Which I was sad about, lol
fallen escarp
Poisonous Ghost at 0 ammo likely has a special interaction.
Because you can still use it with 0 ammo and it costs nothing extra, but you lose all Decay effect chance and the third swing loses its +60% total damage bonus.
So it's more likely that it simply... stops consuming ammo, making Bloody Ammo redundant.
zinc frigate
Ah yea, that's what I was afraid of, haha. Thanks
zinc frigate
Does the "Large Ammo" and other like scrolls work with bloody ammo
With Elemental Cube, if you're aiming for a combustion build, do you want it to bet set to fire, or corrosive damage? Or does it not matter?
fallen escarp
With Elemental Cube, if you're aiming for a combustion build, do you want it to ...
You'd want it set to the element type you're inflicting most damage with.
If you've got a Scorching Rounds and you're using Smoke Grenades for decay, you pick fire damage.
If you've got a Poisonous Ghost main hand with a Fire Tower offhand and element share gemini, you pick corrosion damage.
If you've got a Pupil, why are you even bothering with Combustion? Lightning damage.
pearl garden
Elemental Cube my beloved
Why must you make me reload upwards of 10+ times for what I want
tacit bough
Sheesh... doing spirit assault... these enemies have WAY too much health+shield at some point, it's an utter slugfest.
10 minutes of undisturbed DPS just to kill 1 elite.
amber sorrel
IT'S DONE
nimble flint
mortal trench
Is Nona broken
tacit bough
Tbh, I found her pretty disappointing, but I'm not used to her playstyle so take my perspective with a grain of salt.
viscid sparrow
Pretty chill in multiplayer too, it’s fun if you really build into the titanfall feel of it
How do you survive in spiritual assault
I play turtle so I’m chilling
But I play with friends and we can’t figure it out with other hero’s
reef creek
So if I beat the boat and return, the game considers it a win?
I couldn't burst down the final boss. Focused too hard on grenades, not enough on fire
Not that I would consider it a win myself, I wanna beat friendly-shaped
proud shale
Is Nona broken
yeah
lunar bridge
So if I beat the boat and return, the game considers it a win?
yes, if you return to inn right after act 3 boss instead of proceeding into act 4, it will be considered a victory.
reef creek
I've gotten to friendly twice, failed to burst him down and got owned later
Goddammit
I'm gonna try another character after I beat them down
somber solar
Who's the most tankiest hero for surviving Pole Monarch's full spirit bar on Normal (or Reinc1 if it's better)?
viscid sparrow
I don’t know if he’s the best but I’ve never had any trouble with turtle even if we fail the damage check he has no problem with the enrage either
fervent bough
I've beaten him after damage check with Owl
broken brook
Oh, so this is general. Kinda. Hey all.
I've been playing the game since it came out and quite recently I got one of my friends to play the game and he's been enjoying it.
I'm surprised on how much of my friends don't know about this games existence
Also shout out to all ya Owl mains
lofty bay
Who
candid holly
https://tenor.com/view/over-my-head-happy-talking-hand-gesture-gif-17348337
Sounds like you probably don't own the latest DLC pack then
lofty bay
Who
lofty bay
What sound does an owl make
candid holly
I'm not falling for that joke
Anyways I'm still trying to figure out which hero to work on getting hero talents for next
Currently got Nona & Monke maxed out for hero talents atm
And if I had to try taking a personal pick as of currently from the remaining one's I have
It'd likely be tied between Li & Lei Lou
nimble flint
I mean , are your important talent tree ones maxed ?
candid holly
I mean , are your important talent tree ones maxed ?
Gimme one moment to share my current talent tree progression
This is about as far as I've gotten with it, purely from doing normal mode runs atm
pearl garden
Expedition tree go brrrrr
nimble flint
but right side of expedition ASAP
candid holly
Noted
nimble flint
Thats the 2 shop slots
mortal trench
I finally beat nightmare
That was hard
I'm not even max level( I'm 104)
How hard is reincarnation
proud shale
easier
proud shale
way
nimble flint
Yes and no
R1 is easier yes
That it because the difficulty jump is rather small but heavily outweighed but all the bonus things you get
but from R3 onwards it get tougher as the enemy scaling quickly catches up
mortal trench
What does r1 give you
nimble flint
What if I said you can have all elements triggered on a single element ?
Free Craftsman upgrades
or
mortal trench
What if I said you can have all elements triggered on a single element ?
That would be broken
mortal trench
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1116489527872204932/1132321847120252948/i...
Wtf
That is extremely op
cobalt dock
thats Reincarnation
nimble flint
Welcome to blessings
mortal trench
Where do you get spiritual blessings from
nimble flint
At the start of each act you can find a mushroom dude
mortal trench
K
nimble flint
he sells those blessings in exchange for soul essence
mortal trench
Is it alot of soul essence bc I'm still not done with my tree
nimble flint
compared to upgrades yes
80-160 on average
But
Enter Bizzare Dream modifiers and Lone Wolf
mortal trench
So should I stay on nightmare or elite Till I finish my tree
nimble flint
for the low cost of simply having multiplayer spawn rates of enemies you get a free blessing
if you are not complete R1 with 4 player Lone Wolf spawning is the better way to get essence
HP and dmg doesnt scale
only quantitiy of enemies
more enemies = more essence
mortal trench
if you are not complete R1 with 4 player Lone Wolf spawning is the better way to...
How do you get the lone wolf spawning do I need the scroll
nimble flint
Bizzare Dream
You have defeated Nightmare , right ?
Go and select Reincarnation difficulty
its very obvious
mortal trench
You have defeated Nightmare , right ?
I've been ending my runs on stage 3
Wait lemme check
Found it
Thought it was a to do list lmao
Thanks for your help
Should I just be redoing stage 1 over and over again
visual osprey
Didn’t even realize the Goshawk had a bleed mechanic
Unfortunately though I still won’t pick it up 😄
cobalt dock
that’s because it doesn’t exist
broken brook
Why must souls cap at 25k?
visual osprey
That’s what I thought, but I use the Goshawk so little, I wouldn’t be surprised if it had some sort of exclusive that stacks bleed
manic oyster
thx devs for this game. ascension 8 with lvl 2 chars and hardcore ch.4. finally beat the bear
waiting for asc 9
small ledge
hell yeah
I myself still need to beat nightmare
I'm not jazzed about unlocking new difficulting on runs that aren't solo
manic oyster
actually its kinda sad, but asc 8 ch4 cant be beaten without some abuse of Nine and Wing. Elites just dont die without it.
on lvl2 chars *
small ledge
You underestimate my brick
manic oyster
without any meta
small ledge
meta?
have you ever meta woman?
(this is a haha gottem pls don't take this seriously)
valid zephyr
Didn’t even realize the Goshawk had a bleed mechanic
was thinking of the wrong weapon. too many guns
visual osprey
That’s okay, sometimes I forget that the Bloody Drill applies a bloody effect, too
valid zephyr
but ya bloody drill bleed is really op against elites early on
valid zephyr
if you get the etching with "the further the shot the higher the bleed damage" and it scales very quickly stacking
sometimes you just sit as far back in the map as possible and hit them 1 time and its gg
visual osprey
There’s no need
If I have a Cavalry in my hands, the enemies will not spawn
I don’t blame ‘em
valid zephyr
you mean frenzied shark
visual osprey
HM
fallen escarp
Now you can really Dual-Wield hardcore.
red glacier
so true
broken brook
Is there anyway to rejoin an active game if you crash?
fallen escarp
No.
broken brook
I don't get why, items save when some one leaves the game. The items also last the entirety of a run.
Is there anyway to suggest that some where?
fallen escarp
Yes, but it's been suggested many many many times before.
forest sluice
What are some of yalls favorite weapons/skill builds for spiritual assault?
somber solar
Fixed an issue with the sound effect of the skill [Hardwood Missile] for Nona being abnormal.
Wait, does that mean...
Nona can "pewpew :D" once again?
prisma glen
```
Fixed an issue with the sound effect of the skill [Hardwood Missile] for Non...
Pewpewpew
calm hawk
fallen escarp
Is it weird I approve the bug fixes more than actual content updates?
nimble flint
Fix shit before adding more that can break
fallen escarp
Not even that. They're just not making stuff easier than previously intended.
tacit bough
Huh. I got a stage again with no vault in it
amber sorrel
NIGHTMARE DONE
nimble flint
Huh. I got a stage again with no vault in it
its not guaranteed
somber solar
Can't check myself for the next 3 or so hours, but can anyone please confirm if Nona can "pewpew :D" while using Secondary?
somber solar
Okay, i checked it, can confirm: Nona does pewpew now.
Best update ever!
somber solar
It even works with the Heavy Modification ascension active where it previously didn't!
finite tree
Cool. Nona is nice. What is not nice is RNG. Actually hate playing some characters because it can shaft them so bad.
visual osprey
Dude just discovered that Gunfire Reborn is a roguelike
finite tree
You say that like roguelike players love RNG.
nimble flint
thats the entire point...
finite tree
Well if you insist.
nimble flint
Not incist that has been the case ever since rogue
its the foundation of the genre it spawned
A gameplay loop where the events , resources and such are not predetermined the same as before
finite tree
Of course. I play them exactly for their run based systems usually. Doesn't mean I have to love every nook and cranny of it.
somber solar
Gunfire should become a casino game 
finite tree
Be careful with that. Got enough of those.
finite tree
I can see my impression of hating continuous screw over RNG was taken with pepper instead of salt. I know what game I am playing. But some characters are cursed for me or I am terrible at building them.
Maybe even both.
finite tree
Most likely. Don't play enough to know the strenghts.
visual osprey
The game takes practice
And some RNG
Cat can ez clear R8 without picking up a goblet
Other characters need more RNG
It’s the nature of the genre, of course
We’re not cool enough to remove half the gameplay loop with Artifact of Command
Would be cool to replace all weapon drops with cavalries though…
finite tree
If only, but nah. I just suck at building.
I'll figure it out once my brain stops tunnel visioning.
visual osprey
I am rooting for ya!
tacit bough
So, uh, can someone tell me if I interpret this interaction correctly?
(L) Spirit Feline
Take +100% damage, but damage can't be higher than 14% of your max health
(R) Paranormality
Your health is reduced to 1, but your shield value is doubled.
(R) Flesh and Bones
Your shield converts to health instead, and gain +4%/s regen.
Result;
Your health is 1. You have no shield. You take no damage, because 14% of 1 is 0.14, rounded to 0. You are immortal(?)
pearl garden
I am not certain, but I'm pretty sure damage will always do at least 1HP worth, ignoring that synergy even if the math checks out. Haven't tested this myself but feel like I'd have heard of it by now if that were the case. Feel free to try it for yourself tho.
thorny solar
So, uh, can someone tell me if I interpret this interaction correctly?
(L) **Sp...
Iirc you still die
valid zephyr
unless you play bird with dmg turned into armor recovery
tacit bough
I mean, from what I can cconfirm, Bloody Ammo and Capacity Overload also don't kill you when on 1 hp
pearl garden
Correct but I believe those are meant to not kill the player whereas enemy/environment damage can bypass such cheese.
thorny solar
I know with paranormality, spirit feline, and buffer shield you can be invincible if your shield is high enough
But I mean
Wasting a spiritual goblet on buffer shield is
💀
valid zephyr
not bad if youre playing solo
visual osprey
Broooo I can’t believe they put lean in the spiritual goblet 😳
pearl garden
Yeah there's certain invincible combos out there but I think the above three scrolls don't work like they sound like they would. The one that comes to my mind is a Leap spam build with Steel Armor or whatever it's called.
valid zephyr
you are also invincible if you just kill everything before they do damage
pearl garden
mains be like
visual osprey
I mean he’s not wrong
mortal trench
What is the most effective way to farm essence
visual osprey
R8 I believe
mortal trench
I'm only r1
mortal trench
K
visual osprey
!
pearl garden
What is the most effective way to farm essence
Basically play the highest difficulty you have unlocked that you can consistently get far in. Multiplayer is good for late game consistency since revive spam is generally OP, but solo works just fine if you're able to get to Acts 3/4 most of the time.
If you have Reincarnation unlocked, Lone Wolf modifier can help you start with a free OP blessing like Painkiller on Crown Prince to make early game a cake walk/farming essence much easier.
visual osprey
Factual
pearl garden
If you're not sure which generic blessing to pick, the answer is probably Overconsumption. And when it's not the answer, it's still a good answer lol.
nimble flint
Result;
Your health is 1. You have no shield. You take no damage, because 14% o...
rounded up
you die
opal crane
yeah, all damage numbers in the game get rounded up
nimble flint
I mean, from what I can cconfirm, Bloody Ammo and Capacity Overload also don't k...
Because they specifically cant kill you
tacit bough
its not guaranteed
Also, I always was under the impression they're (intended to be-) guaranteed. They've been in literally every stage, save for maybe a select weird 1% of stages where the stage is so small (-and isn't a wave stage).
Does anyone happen to know in which patch version / notes the Vaults spawn rate went from "1 per zone" to "1 per stage"?
nimble flint
because it never was
The chances to spawn are very high but not guaranteed in each level
size isnt a factor
tacit bough
Huh, IMO they should be then, though. It makes little to no sense at all for a 1% chance to skew your run.
pearl garden
It's a bummer in Tombs when you don't get a vault but thankfully it's pretty minor overall.
nimble flint
Huh, IMO they should be then, though. It makes little to no sense at all for a 1...
If one scroll you dont get means your run is screwed that scoll wasnt the problem
tacit bough
One scroll, chance to be a second or be an ascension.
Coincidentally yesterday I had a Nightmare run where I just could NOT find a capacity overload (or that scroll that doubles my Q cap to 16) to finalize/support my build and have enough recursion (as I had no Card Printer Ascensions), and as a matter of fact did have a no-vault stage on 3-2. So practically yes, a singular vault can certainly make or break a run. Not as often, I'll admit, but the luck (or lack, thereof) exists.
nimble flint
And from experience I tell that this isnt the case but bias from lost runs speaking
There is a reason why in speedruns we skip 90%-100% of the vaults
They are simply not run crucial
Certainly helpful but not the crux of runs
heavy jay
Would suggestions of edits to the descriptions in-game be permitted in the game suggestions channel?
pearl garden
I would assume so as that channel seems to be for anything you'd like to see in game which includes translations. Although I have seen people post at times in issues about mistranslations, too. Suggestions feels safer, issues gets dev attention more I'd say.
heavy jay
tyty friend
pearl garden
np! If it's not an incorrect description, I'd probably post them in suggestions as you're not fixing it, you're editing it. But depends what you're looking at. Hope that all helps.
heavy jay
I'm working on coursework but I wanted to to play GFR later and I've long wanted to see the clarity or even terminology of the game put into an easier flow, for english anyway
zinc frigate
You'd want it set to the element type you're inflicting most damage with.
Ah, I gotcha. I was using a mainhand porcupine with ElementShare and a Justice with 60% fire ele chance offhand. So I guess in that case maybe fire damage since I have a better chance at procing it?
fallen escarp
If Justice was your offhand, you weren't doing damage with it.
Try again.
zinc frigate
Aren't I doing "fire damage" with my Porcupine with elemental share gemini though?
fallen escarp
No.
Element share gives it the advantage vs HP and the Burning proc chance.
It's still corrosion element.
zinc frigate
Aaah, gotcha
mortal trench
Who do you think is more op or 
fallen escarp
Depends on who you ask.
Though the general opinion is Nona is easier to win with, particularly on solo, while Owl is usually just stronger at the cost you gotta do things yourself.
finite tree
Does scroll rarity matter for the allocation of astrohouse chances and if it does how?
fallen escarp
Yes. More of a certain quality means more aspects of the same quality.
If you have nothing but Normal scrolls, you'll get a massive boost to Normal aspects (or Rare if they've been upgraded from that talent).
nimble flint
Literally just take legendaries
fallen escarp
Or rares that upgrade to legendaries.
nimble flint
Just hoard all legendaries you can and its a cake walk
his is one of the easiest to do
finite tree
I would rather not do legendaries since last run died to lack of movement speed and one enemy slipping behind me. And legendaries got none to patch up that.
Then again it has Spirit Feline and all that. Guess I'll try that tomorrow.
Easier than some for sure. But I have no idea about what rarity is the best because concept of hoarding one type of scroll seems. Well I do now, but every category has it's benefits. Just that higher means more damage.
Would've probably been fine if I had picked up Ostrich Rider somewhere on the way.
fallen escarp
Reason why I recommend Rare is because not only can you upgrade their quality to Legendary for the best aspects, but you get a good amount of them and also get the chance to reroll the equally numerous Normal scrolls into Rare as well.
They're also usually not something with high risk and high reward, like a good number of Legendary scrolls.
finite tree
I'll keep that in mind. Although I am pretty sure I can have only one rarity for the frame. But other than that, very good advice. Always kept hoarding without real strategy other than higher rarity.
fallen escarp
You only pick 1 quality.
You don't have to pick up Normal scrolls to reroll them, and the upgrade to Legendary is only for aspects. They're still Rare scrolls.
finite tree
So I can upgrade rare scrolls to legendaries and reroll normals to rare before pick up?
fallen escarp
Yes.
You still can't pick up Normal or Legendary scrolls, don't confuse that part.
finite tree
So as long as it is rare on pick up or was rare before reroll to legendary. Got it.
Makes it a lot easier.
fallen escarp
No, not rare before reroll to legendary.
You don't pick up legendary scrolls.
If it rerolls rare to rare, you can pick it up.
Once Rare is picked up, the quality upgrades to legendary without rerolling. THAT'S ok.
finite tree
So. Rare reroll inside inventory to legendary is okay.
fallen escarp
Without rerolling.
finite tree
Well I am stumped.
fallen escarp
I'll simplify.
- Pick up rare scrolls.
- Reroll normal scrolls. If they become rare, pick up.
- Ignore legendary scrolls.
- Don't reroll picked up scrolls, you risk ruining the run.
finite tree
Ah. I see. Yeah. That is what I've been doing.
muted eagle
so, quick question. Does enemy durability (as in health) scale sharply/suddenly as you enter the 4th stage compared to the other ones? I recently went from shredding everything in sight on stage 3 to barely putting a dent in even the little monkeys and penguins of stage 4. Mode was nightmare for reference
fallen escarp
No idea what the actual health values are, but here are some bosses for comparison.
• Lu Wu: 88,000
• Ichthyosaurus Offspring: 262,680 (+198.5% from previous)
• Abyssal Serpent: 640,000 (+143.6% from previous)
• Pole Monarch: 1,440,000 (+125% from previous)
muted eagle
appreciate the heads up. I didn't even make it to the boss as I gave up in a room trying to kite and pepper down stuff for a few minutes. Of course it's possible my build was at its limit of usability and was short a couple damage multipliers
fervent bough
More than likely just at the limit. I know what you are talking about with them feeling tanky but you can def melt through stage 4 with good builds
muted eagle
was mainly using a scalpel with spores on bunny. Could probably do well with an actual element fusion effect powering the entire deal
amber sorrel
How do you dodge the abyssal serpent head swipe?
pearl garden
If you're talking about the tidal wave, you jump.
If you're talking about the literal head tackle, you sidestep. The multi head tackles you want to position in one of the gaps then immediately move to where a head was prior for the second onslaught of heads.
pearl garden
The head swipe spawns a delayed tidal wave and jumping it is really easy once you have the timing down.
amber sorrel
I've always been looking at the heads rather than the floor
pearl garden
Water comes from the side of the stage and swipes across. It moves reallt fast so it's easy to just assume the head is doing weird hitbox stuff.
amber sorrel
can't see lol
amber sorrel
killed pole monarch for the first time on elite
small ledge
Hell yeah
alpine umbra
honestly did not feel like i was doing a lot of damage, esp on pole monarch
my aoe was crazy though, wiped rooms almost instantly
fallen escarp
Poor bunny. Painkiller is just too OP.
finite tree
It really is. I was a little confused first time everything contracted every known disease and a little more.
alpine umbra
yeah, and then i got acidominance 3 💀
distant idol
smoke on crits my beloved
cobalt dock
Painkiller Chain Lightning my beloved
plain granite
I've tried to find any info online but I failed to do so. Is there any current information about the progress (if there's any intention for it at all) about crossplay between pc and ps? I saw the faq but I figured I'd ask if there was any more recent changes.
nimble flint
There wont be
Its a massive pain to do in the first place and then maintain.
There is a reason why from small indie like gunfire or deeprock to big aaa you only have systemwide crossplay
Playstation , Gamepass , Steam
opal crane
is it me or this shows up more frequent on R8
some room layouts are more likely to have certain events (like 3-3, where you got this event)
and on reincarnation 8, all events are upgraded to more difficult versions
(so All Fiddler Crabs event upgrades to All Nihilation Monks)
📉
nimble flint
Ahh yes
when you have so many dual edge stacks and spirit feline that they end up doing 14 dmg per tick
alpine umbra
lol, lmao
goofiest run
my previous cat run did not feel NEARLY as powerful as this one
killed pole monarch before he reached the first powerup
distant idol
honestly did not feel like i was doing a lot of damage, esp on pole monarch
just noticed that the challenge log has commas but the results screen doesn’t 
quartz cradle
do some heroes have like resistance to some elements/damage?
cause Nona with 55 Shield can take a hit and is left with a bit of damage to her health, but Li with 95 shield will get almost entire shield destroyed xD
cobalt dock
a talent that reduces smg overflow from shield to hp by -75%
quartz cradle
not even sure I even have 2 upgrades on that perk lmao
is the ascentiant, that gives 6s shield boost from casting spiritual flame, bugged? cause it's stuck a 3 seconds xD
wise oasis
is the ascentiant, that gives 6s shield boost from casting spiritual flame, bugg...
its the amount of max shield you are getting
not a time thing
quartz cradle
its the amount of max shield you are getting
but it shouldn't be like all temporarly?
wise oasis
What
quartz cradle
idk why there is bonus +3 shield xD
it doesn't say anything about it on its description
even when energy is full
nimble flint
because technically it tries to get 1 energy
sorry not 1 but 2
Fire dmg kills restore 2 energy
quartz cradle
does Li has like a passive that all weapons have a chance to lit enemies on fire?
cause even non-fire weapons sometimes start burning enemies
quartz cradle
because technically it tries to get 1 energy
interesting... it just kinda weird, that it tries to regenerate the energy even when full xD
nimble flint
its an on kill effect
the passive regen doesnt trigger it when full if you noticed
Game knows : Full energy dont need to regen energy
Kill -> Gain +2 Energy -> Tries to add +2 goes above and sets back to max
muted eagle
what would you guys say is the most reliable way to get raw power outside reincarnation mode and besides gemini inscriptions?
quasi arrow
what would you guys say is the most reliable way to get raw power outside reinca...
Gym
fallen escarp
is the ascentiant, that gives 6s shield boost from casting spiritual flame, bugg...
Natural energy regeneration counts, even if your energy is full or you're channeling Spiritual Flame.
In this case, you're passively recovering 7.2 (technically. You actually recover 6) energy over 6 seconds. 50% is 3.6, rounded down.
fallen escarp
does Li has like a passive that all weapons have a chance to lit enemies on fire...
No, but she does inflict Burning when hit by an enemy, if you've got her 4th hero talent.
muted eagle
are your shots supposed to crit when hitting the scar on a dark faced bandit's back? I've never been able to get a non-guaranteed crit on these guys. Do you have to aim dead center or something?
fallen escarp
Dark-faced Bandit's back is bugged.
muted eagle
ah damn, has it been that way for a long while? I didn't think to search for a potential known issue
fallen escarp
For a little while, but yes.
muted eagle
oh I see. Glad to know I wasn't just going nuts 😂
quartz cradle
GG... I guess... lol
muted eagle
I really need to try out that fox already
quartz cradle
does damage from element sharing gemini scales with weapons damage?
fallen escarp
Depends. Are you still using a weapon?
quartz cradle
this... idk lol
fallen escarp
Then yes.
fallen escarp
how do you know?
Testing.
fallen escarp
Yes.
Using a non-fire weapon that's element sharing with a fire weapon doesn't count though.
muted eagle
I remember when a laggy serpent absolutely mopped the floor with me in a multiplayer game
then earlier today I came at it with a hexagon, ate all the lunges and hit it back right on the crit spot
sweet revenge
somber solar
Me trying to go for Qing's exclusive frame --- accidentally discover Cleave is OP
muted eagle
had a lot of fun being really durable on bunny with sword guard and paranormality
muted eagle
Me trying to go for Qing's exclusive frame --- accidentally discover Cleave is O...
whenever I see a positive mention of cleave, I smile. I still harbor the dream of playing full melee bird with a sword and slashing through hordes
quartz cradle
is Bunny made for Melee or something... never tried her yet, just saw hers primary is some Sword Dance thing
muted eagle
oh you can absolutely play with guns
quartz cradle
or is the Bird Melee focused?
muted eagle
in fact she might just get more mileage out of the guns cause they burn through ammo/potentially hit very rapidly in succession
the bird tends to play a bit more close range yes, you can go melee with leaps/cleaves and a sword or shotgun your way to victory
somber solar
is Bunny made for Melee or something... never tried her yet, just saw hers prima...
Tao is about building stacks by consuming alotta ammo per second, essentially making her a "More Dakka" bunny. Don't let her motif fool you, she's not melee-based character.
muted eagle
speaking of which, trying to power through nightmare had me wish I could make unconventional things like say snipers or swords on bunny work just for the sake of variety. Sadly the call of smg/assault rifles was too strong for me to pass up
quartz cradle
what is funny is, that Fox is farely Glass Cannon like, but one of hers build literally makes her super tanky, while still dealing quite a bit of damage
muted eagle
bit of a double edged sword when characters tend to be geared towards highly specialized playstyles. Then again, I think it's a potential plus for multiplayer, where sharing stuff is now encouraged based on who it might benefit
muted eagle
what is funny is, that Fox is farely Glass Cannon like, but one of hers build li...
for some reason whenever I've seen people play fox, she melts stuff in the blink of an eye
fallen escarp
That's because, being a DLC hero, she is more cannon than glass.
That and most heroes end up being glass on high difficulties anyway, so it doesn't matter all that much.
And multiplayer makes being glass a non-issue.
quartz cradle
in early stages, I die more with her, by being unexpectidly 2 shotted in quick succession xD
my health just disappears in like a second
muted eagle
speaking of which. On nightmare, which is the farthest you get before blessings become available, I've found that quite a few defensive scrolls/upgrades can still be relevant
I have next to no experience with reincarnation though so I'm not sure as to what defensive blessings there are to counter what I'm assuming is a massive damage ramp-up
quartz cradle
I haven't tried Reincarnation, but Nightmare is already pretty challenging
fallen escarp
Oh it's not the defensive blessings that counter the damage increase.
muted eagle
or is your only out to kill them before they can shoot?
fallen escarp
It's the fact that the offensive blessings are so incredibly powerful that the enemies don't even get a chance to hurt you.
muted eagle
I get it
quartz cradle
what makes Reincarnation more difficult then Nightmare?
muted eagle
probably actual oneshots
muted eagle
I tremble at the thought of regular crossbowmen pewpew shaving off at least all of my shield or something
fallen escarp
But at the same time, it's debatable whether Reincarnation is even a harder difficulty at all.
muted eagle
because perpendicular strafing can still get you tagged once or twice unless you go full matrix or dash or stay in cover until you hear them stop
somber solar
Reincarnation 1 is definitely easier than Nightmare.
fallen escarp
It's gotten to the point that with all the Reincarnation-exclusive extras, some people claim that Nightmare is the hardest difficulty.
quartz cradle
I never really pay attention to the damage numbers, but in the desert area, does that fox bandit not take luck/crits when "invisible"
or is some different gimmic xD
fallen escarp
Bandit Hermits definitely still take crits and lucky shots when invisible.
muted eagle
I've heard somewhere that R8 makes the nirvana modifier or whatever that's called now have a chance to spawn horsemen, DF bandits and so on instead of the mini enemies so that might be enough to push it over the edge
quartz cradle
what is the point of the invisibility xD
muted eagle
maybe it's for a bit of flair
quartz cradle
does it disables homing?
muted eagle
my intuition tells me it wouldn't, as far as I could tell it just changes their model and removes the healthbar
I could be wrong
quartz cradle
I guess... never seen a difference really lol
muted eagle
But at the same time, it's debatable whether Reincarnation is even a harder diff...
I suppose I wouldn't mind all that much if the general diffs just stayed at normal-elite-nightmare and reincarnation was presented as more of a different way to play
as someone that played a fair amount of hair-pullingly punishing games, nightmare still surprised me for how it kept me at my toes at times
quartz cradle
from wiki, they are just harder to see... while having very bright outline...
muted eagle
from wiki, they are just harder to see... while having very bright outline...
just imagine an alternate universe where they become almost completely invisible instead and only show themselves once they next shoot
pretty much terrifying
quartz cradle
yeah... that would be pretty scary xD
muted eagle
oh and I don't think it's a completely useless ability, that stealth they got. I often have to react to them pulling up their gun by dashing sideways if I'm too close as mere strafing still gets me chunked (kinda like rogue villains)
so if they're stealthed I gotta look intently at the gun outline
quartz cradle
One scroll, that I don't get the use of it, is the one that halve shields regen, but makes shields non-stop regening.
like it sounds cool, but it seems to decrease overall survivalbility (maybe I just suck xD)
or is it good on specific characters and not the others?
muted eagle
One scroll, that I don't get the use of it, is the one that halve shields regen,...
I think that scroll could possibly combo well if you already have other ways to significantly reduce damage taken or in situations where you take a lot of small bits of damage often
without it, you'll eventually get whittled down since the constant hits stop your shield from regenerating, with it, the regen should counteract some of the damage over time
this all in theory of course
quartz cradle
yeah... that seem to actually be viable strategy... but by itself is kinda mid (it did saved me quite a bit of times, but not significately)
muted eagle
of course if your setup or playstyle allows you to avoid taking more damage shortly after you're hit (say you take a big burst and then play safer for a little while) then you might actually do better without the scroll
and then if most of your total health happens to be a shield (extreme case of this is with paranormality scroll) if you take this you can have a constantly regenerating health bar. Not a strict upgrade again but depending on the other scrolls and stuff you got it could be worthwhile
quartz cradle
I guess it's mostly situational, but can be strong
worn cloud
So does Energy Storage just straight not work with Li's Primary?
worn cloud
Ah that makes sense
quartz cradle
at least it's the "safest" scroll to be sacrificed at the red chest with her xD
muted eagle
I guess it's mostly situational, but can be strong
Indeed. Final thing I can think of, which is a bit of a nitpick. If you do take the scroll, it might be worth it to move lightning damage enemies higher on your target priority. They can quickly plow through shields and stop the constant regen from getting maximum value
amber sorrel
farming soul essence takes a really long time
uncut marten
Quick question, since I can't find it with my google-fu. Icy Spear does not work with Nona's Restart Shot spiritual blessing on Reincarnation, correct?
fallen escarp
Quick question, since I can't find it with my google-fu. Icy Spear does not work...
It does not I'd assume, because Icy Spear does not reload.
uncut marten
That's what I thought too... but most of the pistols don't reload and have the 1 shot instead, so I figured I'd put that out to ask
Err... nevermind. Some of them I didn't realize were pistols.
somber solar
The game has a way of classifying weird guns (most being throwable weapons) as "pistols"
...i'm just now thinking there should be a throwable class for weapons, where stuff like Talisman, Icy Spear, etc would go.
fallen escarp
Actually they're all classified as that because they're average, "master of none" weapons.
If you want proof of that, Brick is a sniper, due to its high critical damage potential and effective range.
somber solar
Was also gonna suggest the , but didn't think about the classifycation reason being damage types, but i guess that does make sense..
plain granite
Its a massive pain to do in the first place and then maintain.
There is a reaso...
That sucks. I just bought it for my son since some websites said crossplay existed for pc and ps but I've since learned otherwise. How disappointing.
nimble flint
Im sorry that those sites did not do their research properly
willow dagger
Is this the place to discuss builds?
fallen escarp
Yes.
small ledge
Do not just journalists of any kind for gaming
You'd get better info from YouTube videos
wise oasis
i think you meant to type Trust instead of just
and i would take a step further and not trust a lot of websites for gaming tips/advice due to a lot of them being copy pasted AI websites to exploit SEO
willow dagger
I see
I unlocked Tao recently and she's been really fun to play despite the flying swords being just a bunch of projectiles.
somber solar
Me trying to go for Qing's exclusive frame --- accidentally discover Cleave is O...
Would like to point out something funny about this run i posted yesterday:
So, if you can see from the low res image, i've gotten the scroll (forgot each of their names, sorry), that makes me invincible when dashing 3 times.
...i've also gotten the reduced cooldown, and 3 charges scroll, PLUS, at Jokul, i've gotten the blessing that decreases Primary and Dash CD for every elite i killed so far.
...meaning...
I was fully invincible as long as i kept spamming Shift!
visual osprey
The only thing that can stop you? Sticky Keys.
glad iris
You can turn sticky keys off.
visual osprey
Whaaaaat? No way, dude!
glad iris
Though I think it's off by default on windows 10 I think. Never even seen it even after a fresh install.
digital bone
guys
i killed the 3rd boss in nightmare, if i go out now ill complete nightmare?
or i have to go to the snow stage?
small ledge
Jokul is always optional
digital bone
last time i go into snow stage i died and it didnt complete the nighmare for me
small ledge
Yes, it's like in Cash Cab when you reach your destination when Ben asks if you wanna go for Double or Nothing
It's High Risk, High Reward
digital bone
thank you my friend
pearl garden
Suboptimal scaling and still 1.6mil on an SMG--welcome to Ao Bai in Reincarnation.
mortal trench
are leap builds good in rencarnation
pearl garden
Very
mortal trench
are they better than cleave ones
pearl garden
Both scale well. "Better" is subjective.
Leap builds are less work, more luck probably. Cleave builds are more work, less luck.
mortal trench
what asentions do i priorize on leap builds
pearl garden
Last Breath, Gigantic Explosion, Iron Scud, and Unstoppable Momentum are all good.
mortal trench
k
pearl garden
Fully Equipped is good with good Leap cooldown, Close Combat isn't bad but there's better, and Last Stand works if you have armor break strats. If you have armor break strats Regen Hit 1 is great.
Steel Armor if you want even more defense but the cooldown gets to a point where it's basically spammable.
mortal trench
i dont have the 5th upgrade for him so i cant do armor break strats yet
pearl garden
Fair enough. That strat would also use the All of Nothing blessing.
pearl garden
in early game use leap sparingly since that's your main "oh shit" button to avoid bad situations. Grab a decent weapon until your Leap/Cleave scales enough to dish out enough damage. Shotguns or simply strong weapons like the Aura of Venom, Crimson Firescale, perhaps a sword, etc. can all help do enough damage early game until you scale.
You can do armor break strats without the 5th talent, the 5th talent just makes your defenses better while doing it.
mortal trench
k
shadow comet
So I keep seeing R8++++++++ in the looking for group channel, what do all the +s mean? My guess was the Bizzare Dream effects but people put more +s than there are modifiers
nimble flint
they are for the modifiers but IMO worthless and backwards
the + tell you shit about what modifiers and since people started slapping more it lost its meaning as well
Monkey see , Monkey do situation
shadow comet
And here I was hoping there was some other difficulty modifier I was missing 😛 bring on R9!
pearl garden
Tiger Cannon bad
glad iris
R9 probably won't change anything.
It'll either be easy because everything will still die too quickly to actually be a threat or hard to the point that people will complain and the devs will make it easier.
pearl garden
Knowing their track record of new content I'm assuming it'll do more than just scale things further. I'm not gonna draw conclusions til I see what that "more" is, but I've little faith it'll address the power creep issues.
If R9 was actually just a balance patch I'd shit s
somber solar
Lei Luo frame question:
When doing the challenge of only dealing Sniper/Foundry/Skill damage, does passive dmg deals like from certain occult scrolls (for example, the elemental hoops) voids the challenge?
proud shale
No
somber solar
Cool :D
pine oxide
whats the best build for panda
hybrid gust
hi, sorry if it's been asked before but i just made it to reincarnation mode but i don't got any jades for the special stuff, what's the best way to farm em?
somber solar
Unintentionally bombarding this channel with questions; For Zi Xiao, does picking up Cursed scrolls (along with non-cursed same quality ones) voids his level frame challenge?
fallen escarp
hi, sorry if it's been asked before but i just made it to reincarnation mode but...
Pick the Lone Wolf Bizarre Dream modifier for the free blessing and play Reincarnation normally. Not only do you get one special thing for free, but more enemies from Lone Wolf means more soul essence.
fallen escarp
Unintentionally bombarding this channel with questions; For Zi Xiao, does pickin...
Yes, cursed scrolls count as their own quality.
hybrid gust
I'll try that out, thank you 
mortal trench
Who is the best character
fallen escarp
Depends on what you consider to be the best traits.
pearl garden
Answer also varies based on what difficulty you're playing and your preferred playstyle. They're all good.
fallen escarp
And if you have friends.
fervent bough
I just one hit the serpent for the first time with Li
fallen escarp
Par for the course with Li.
gloomy carbon
amber sorrel
crown prince makes reincarnation so easy
flat tendon
Does anyone know if occult scrolls that give buffs for reloading a empty magazine work for the different kunai? Because in the logbook it doesn't say they have a reload time.
small ledge
Does anyone know if occult scrolls that give buffs for reloading a empty magazin...
The reload scrolls do not work for weapons that do not have reloads
Like Bricks and Kunai
flat tendon
The reload scrolls do not work for weapons that do not have reloads
rip. Does the Icy Spear have an element? It says it has a elemental effect chance but i don't think there are ice elements, are there?
thorny solar
Naturally, it doesn't.
It can come with inscriptions that can give it any one of the three I believe.
flat tendon
It can come with inscriptions that can give it any one of the three I believe.
Ah okay ty
thorny solar
That goes for most, if not, all weapons that don't have an element naturally I believe.
rotund plaza
too bad Armed Caster didn't show up
amber sorrel
reincarnation is the most fun I've had in this game
small ledge
I'm stoked to try it solo for the first time
crystal dagger
yall