sinful gate
Now to get my Fire Dragon unlock
#Steam ( IF YOU CANT SEND MESSAGES USE STEAM 2 )
untold umbra
can you make another account cause i want to change my name or would i need to make a new steam account
slate flare
account name is indeed linked to steam name 😦
untold umbra
damn so i would have to make a new one sadge welp there goes more money
quasi arrow
can you make another account cause i want to change my name or would i need to m...
Only you know the name of your account. Nicknames can be changed as you wish.
nimble flint
And it displays nickname
So you can change whenever you feel
Xbox on the other hand...
upbeat escarp
who want play
untold umbra
oh so nickname will change it cool i will give it a a shot i was midrun
cool thanks for the help
fringe crystal
Your past nicknames will show but u can choose to clear it for free anytime
cinder shore
guys does skill damage increase iron wing's damage?
cobalt dock
yes
cinder shore
thanks
warm iron
Huh, had a missing asset/file. Anyone else ever needed to validate their files?
Verifying returned 1 missing file, steam downloads it fully, refuses to fix, says "download paused". Pressing resume downloads the file and goes back to "download paused". Reinstalling now.
Nnnope, it still refuses to acknowledge that I've downloaded the missing file.
Disk write error. "Culprit" is antivirus, which detected "Wacatac.B!ml" which according to google is a known trojan. Has someone else gotten this or is it unrelated to gunfire?
nimble flint
if you had googled further this specific one is "King of False Positives"
its a common trigger for Steam when downloading compressed files
So its nothing specific to gunfire but steam as a whole
tropic shale
What is kt that makes people say nona is OP?
Did a couple of runs and it was the only the free res that I thought was particularly nice if I messed up
fervent bough
If you get a good missile build you can just deploy iron wing then hold secondary ability at everything that moves
I lost power during a run, so my display monitor was off. I just kept playing with her + star ring until it came back
winged cove
Wish there were modifiers for Spiritual assault
Or better yet, it were a infinite survival with mob scaling
Are there no plans for an infinite mode ?
fallen escarp
Get Spirit Feline, get Buffer Shield, get Miasma. Win infinite survival forever.
No reason for it to exist outside of bragging rights on how long you miasma'd enemies for.
winged cove
But the game ends once you get to the boss. I kinda wanted to get that feeling of trying to survive a progressively harder game
I loved that feeling when I played survival missions on Warframe years ago
fallen escarp
Oh right.
@red glacier take another shot. 🍻
winged cove
Wut
winged cove
F Jeff
pearl garden
It's a running joke here that people suggest endless a lot. Doesn't make it less appealing tho--I can see why people think it's fun given games like Risk of Rain 2. Wouldn't work as great here, but people don't really care.
hybrid gull
How come?
distant idol
RoR2 endless only makes sense because of item stacking.
doubt you can find a roguelike out there with and endless and no stacking
fallen escarp
Spirit Feline prevents damage above 14% of your HP + Shield/Armor. Buffer Shield completely negates damage below 30% of your Shield/Armor. If you have equal or higher Shield/Armor compared to HP, you never take damage and so can never lose.
Miasma does percentage damage. It'll kill an enemy with 100 HP just as quickly as an enemy with 1,000,000,000,000 HP.
End result: You can't die and enemies always die. Endless becomes pointless.
winged cove
And the other ways of increasing damage don't scale continously
yeah, I got it
Just wanted big number get bigger
quasi arrow
Such Wow
proud shale
based metamorphosis
quasi arrow
A mediocre run lasts about an hour, if we're talking about co-op R8. Are you suggesting running for hours?
winged cove
I think that spiritual assault would fit endless mode better than normal game but either of them could go with it like RoR2 does. But unfortunately there is the damage problem pointed above
nimble flint
I will take the shot for Jeff
I need it right now
fucking application on the server wont update
spice python
Fellas, I have a question
I love turtle, and I really want to make the secondary skill build work for him, but
Idk if my luck is just horrid or if the build is just not great, but I always end up falling off
Even when I'm being fed skill scrolls by teammates
winged cove
Probably your luck I think
But the first skill is stronger tho
Although they both are interwined in his kit so it isn't an A or B build
spice python
Referring to hurtle and retraction? I've been thinking about that recently
When I do the build, I tend to hone in on perfecting the secondary, so ig my disappointment comes from that
There have been times where my luck with the build has been solid and I still fall waaaay behind my friends as well
Does anyone have a particular turtle skill build they like that focuses on the primary?
winged cove
How do you build the secondary?
spice python
I grab dominating fist first thing, then just basically look for any skill damage and secondary skill capacity scrolls I can get my hands on
Hold a poisonous ghost or fire tower for combustion when aspis isn't up and I'm out of secondary
winged cove
The basic idea for damage is to get move speed and level up your weapon for extra damage. Then add skill dmg on top.
winged cove
Referring to hurtle and retraction? I've been thinking about that recently
No, I mean that since your attacks become activations for your secondary skill while holding your aspis, both builds are pretty much one thing with a little bit deviation here and there depending on where you want to focus
spice python
Fair enough. I forgot about the movement speed stuff, I also try to go for that when I can
Also fair enough, in the end aspis really is your best option no matter what
winged cove
I haven't got Aspis to deal that much damage but it doesn't matter because the biggest strength of the turtle is its survivability
spice python
It doesn't help that one of the people I play with always goes for skill builds ig, it might in part be the group I play with
Also for sure, I love tanks in games. Dog is one of my favorites
winged cove
As long as you know how to position yourself, every battle is a battle of attrition and you can win most things even with crap scrolls
spice python
Yeah my survivability is never an issue, I'm almost always the one with the fewest downs and most revives by the end of a game
No matter who I play, now that I think about it lol
winged cove
It doesn't help that one of the people I play with always goes for skill builds ...
That is not a problem tho? Turtle is also a skill character
spice python
Yeah but he feels like I have a monopoly on skill scrolls with turtle secondary specifically
fallen escarp
I grab dominating fist first thing, then just basically look for any skill damag...
Big mistake. Dominating Fist, despite being a hero blessing, is complete junk as a first pick. Skill Freak gives a bigger bonus AND scales better.
spice python
I... as dumb as it sounds, I hadn't considered that
I'm so used to hero blessings being the viable first choice that I didn't think of deviating from that for this build
winged cove
Yeah but he feels like I have a monopoly on skill scrolls with turtle secondary ...
As long as two players aren't using the same character, there shouldn't be an issue with scroll sharing. The way I do with my playgroup (that has 2 other skill users) is to each his own keep when the scrolls are equally useful for everyone and if that scroll fits better on a specific character the owner is likely to share (although not forced to). We never have problems except when someone is really unlucky and another is really too lucky but even so no one blames the other; you just need to work it out how to share and negotiate.
spice python
I like weapon and primary builds enough that I tend to just leave the skill builds to them, but I do agree that a better system could be worked out. Truth be told he's a stingy player in most any game we play together, though I igure we could work that out lmao
We just tend to be opposites in playstyle so often that it isn't typically an issue
red glacier
Oh right.
<@118795271793541120> take another shot. 🍻
I'm dying
quasi arrow
I'm dying
Don't worry, I'm already fighting for you with my friends - Jägermeister, Cola, and Ice. Full party
fringe crystal
I like weapon and primary builds enough that I tend to just leave the skill buil...
ill do weapon builds if i see 2 skill builds, generally i like to do the opposite of what the majority of the lobby is doing
winged cove
Can someone explain to me what is the difference between burning and combustion damage? Idk if the Scorching Force ascension is better for Li than Glass Cannon or not
fallen escarp
Burning is an elemental effect randomly inflicted when doing Fire damage. It deals 20% damage of the hit that triggered it, once per second for 5 seconds. Highest Burning damage takes priority.
Combustion is a fusion effect caused when inflicting Burning/Decay while the enemy is affected by the other. It deals 200% damage of the hit that triggered it instantly, and 100% to nearby enemies. It has a cooldown on 0.12 seconds per enemy.
winged cove
Thx
fallen escarp
Scorching Force would increase the damage numbers to 60% per second for Burning, and 600%/300% for Combustion.
spice python
ill do weapon builds if i see 2 skill builds, generally i like to do the opposit...
Exactly, I'm generally good with anything and will just cover whatever isn't taken
charred vapor
Did I miss a post or something? Cuz I saw something on Steam's roadmap saying something about Reincarnation 9
proud shale
6/30 patchnotes say they updated the roadmap, which includes delaying the tomb SA stage, and the ingame map now has reincarnation 9 and "new mode" in place of the SA map in q3 / 4
charred vapor
Oh... Guess I didn't notice last time I played
upbeat drift
I loved that feeling when I played survival missions on Warframe years ago
I remember that game
I got to play it early, and it was hella fun
Plus my father was a semi popular warframe streamer, so I got to see new content for the game 6 weeks early
north walrus
hello
agh why usnt it letting me post in the LFG chat im getting an message saying im like blocked
wise oasis
warframe sucks ass
analog tapir
warframe sucks ass because they're too spooked to nerf anything, so there's no reason to ever do anything new once you have a build for every situation
fallen escarp
Sounds eerily familiar.
warm iron
if you had googled further this specific one is "King of False Positives"
Yep, realised that when I came back from work :')
tacit belfry
Is it just me or Li's spiritual flame got nerfed?
Even with combustion and all the stuff maxed out (firefox blessing, conflagration and energetic spirit) i feel like she's doing way less DMG than normal
fallen escarp
The only nerf Spiritual Flame got was ages ago before Spiritual Assault existed, where Conflagration went from
+150/300/450% Spiritual Flame Base DMG, consuming energy grants an extra +1/2/3% total DMG per energy consumed.
to
+120/240/360% Spiritual Flame Base DMG, consuming energy grants an extra +1/2/3% total DMG per energy consumed.
Just so you know, despite the nerf, Conflagration was still way better than the majority of other hero base DMG ascensions, both in numbers alone and how it's multiplicative with itself.
glad mist
People have been saying they've felt Li nerfed recently but she hasn't... and in games i've had with her she's felt the same
fallen escarp
My money is on it's because they had an Owl in their team.
Or possibly a Birb with the new All or Nothing.
In other words, Li may possibly be getting powercrept.
fringe crystal
In other words, Li may possibly be getting powercrept.
Me in March would not have thought I'd ever hear this
fallen escarp
Given the way things are being developed, it was pretty much inevitable.
Owl will probably get powercrept if you wait long enough.
Maybe they'll add something to the game which makes Iron Wing revives look tame in comparison.
glad mist
Li is insane at doing huge blast of damage, but other heroes can kill enemies faster because of her charge time.
fallen escarp
"He who acts first, wins!"
tropic shale
What is owl like? Looked interesting but not sure how it plays
cobalt dock
play it
tropic shale
Learning the ins and outs of nona atm
fervent bough
What is owl like? Looked interesting but not sure how it plays
I had fun with him but failed the DPS check on final boss
I went for a card build but it just didn't seem to want to spam in that moment and I had pretty slow firing weapons
tropic shale
Ah that's unfortunate
round veldt
i think owl is pretty strong
the card build is busted af
surely the weapon build is strong too but i haven't looked too much into it
winged cove
Idk how a well built card build for the owl is, but going brrrrrr with nona's missiles is one of the best feelings in the game
tropic shale
When I used the missiles I didn't feel like I was killing much
winged cove
Did you get to the third level of Heat Core? I felt there is a huge difference in clear speed once you get more AoE on the missiles
lucid nova
so how much extra dmg does it give from your weapon? and wich weapons go best with it?
isnt pair of us just better in almost every way? since it gives mech dmg and this is just mecha drop dmg
fervent bough
Idk how a well built card build for the owl is, but going brrrrrr with nona's mi...
getting every god tier ascension besides the one that let's you hold your secondary key is 👌
my thumb started hurting from the spam
cobalt dock
so how much extra dmg does it give from your weapon? and wich weapons go best wi...
deals 1:1 of your dmg, like cudgle
every 3rd is boosted tho
vapid crag
Just bought this game today and i gotta say its alot of fun so far
hybrid gull
Is it just me or is Owl stipidly powerful in an insanly fun way
Like his cards are just
So
Much
Fun
fallen escarp
Pretty much.
They're so "fun" that you can pretty much spam Q and W while looking at enemies.
hybrid gull
Thats really satisfying!
fallen escarp
To some people, yes.
vapid crag
As satisfying as cooking top ramen
zealous turret
it gets boring after a while
small ledge
Not as satisfying as slaying gods with a brick in each hand
vestal phoenix
does anyone actually do the daily challenges?
fallen escarp
No constantly, no.
I'd imagine most people just do 5 different daily challenges for the achievement then never touch it again.
vestal phoenix
yeah i have over 200 hours on this game and noticed i hadn't tried it once
fallen escarp
It's a neat idea, but a relic of an old era that hasn't been updated. It's too easy for long-time players, rewards are too poor for short-time players, and there are better alternatives.
proud shale
wouldnt be surprised if we get a bizarre dream to pick the daily challenge modifiers
fallen escarp
At least that would give the modifiers a use.
But at the same time, they probably wouldn't. Or if they did, they'd have to tweak the daily challenges so they all act like Crystal Seeker.
AKA despite being called "challenge" it will be anything but.
God, could you imagine all the complaints where people go "Game now sucks I played new bizarre dream and pick Unavoidable Confrontation and it makes me die in 1 shot!? What is this stupid idea??? Ruins the game!"
small ledge
does anyone actually do the daily challenges?
I like doing them as a warmup before I play other modes
The challenges need to be less 'modifiers' and more legitimate challenges
Like what I do, for example
Brick Only run
Scrolless
Foundry only
Something
pearl garden
Never bothered with daily challenges. Fake regular smh.
vestal phoenix
How
unreal horizon
Do you not see a menu like this?
royal crater
is it possible to get gemini inscriptions before the first boss
fallen escarp
Yes.
If you know how, it's possible to get gemini inscriptions at the first Craftsman.
royal crater
does it require those spirit concentrator things?
royal crater
does it require certain characters
fallen escarp
To do it at the first craftsman, yes.
To do it before the first boss, no.
royal crater
can you etch multiple times on the same weapon?
fallen escarp
No.
royal crater
can i do it with the owl zi xiao
fallen escarp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
unreal horizon
Two +2 weapons, two craftsmen, the gold cost of getting them to +5 and 2 etches
quasi arrow
Scrolls Master can give you 3 scrolls for Spiritual Link... which you already have... Best blessing for 150 souls
royal crater
thank you @unreal horizon
hollow stone
Anyone know if "Total" damage increases Explosive damage?
fallen escarp
If it normally should affect explosive damage, yes.
hollow stone
Explosive damage scales with Skill damage, not weapon damage, so figured i'd ask because I'm reading the new owl character's blessing "Explosive Hand", which states it deals explosive damage
fallen escarp
Weapon, skill and explosion damage are all different classifications of damage.
With elemental, fire, lightning and corrosion also being a part of that group.
Depending on what it is, something can be eligible for multiple groups. For example, Fire Dragon is eligible for weapon, elemental and fire damage bonuses because it's a fire weapon.
hollow stone
So would "Total" damage increases all 3 catagories then?
fallen escarp
No. Total damage is just an indication it's multiplicative.
But it falls under the same idea.
Total weapon damage multiplicatively increases the damage of all weapons, but not skills, and so on.
hollow stone
So that Legendary Astrohouse buff would read as "320% Skill Dmg for 7 seconds"
fallen escarp
320% total skill damage, but yeah something like that.
Though because descriptions aren't always accurate, I've got a feeling it's just 320% total card damage, from Astroforecast and over effects.
hollow stone
That would make more sense, yeah-- but then i would wonder just how much skill damage is being granted then, ya know?
trying to figure out how much explosion damage to expect
since that's the whole point of the blessing lol
fallen escarp
I think in this case explosion is just more referring to the fact it hits enemies in an AoE.
Since Owl has no access to explosion damage bonuses.
hollow stone
oh, it wouldn't actually count as the Damage type "Explosion"?
fallen escarp
It may or may not, but Owl just has no access to explosion damage bonuses.
So can't find out.
The only hero who has access is the Dog.
hollow stone
which is why it's important for it scaling off of Skill Damage
Owl has a lot of +Skill damage buffs
fallen escarp
Astroforecast scales off skill damage by default.
hollow stone
^true lol
fallen escarp
So it will be affected by it anyway.
I'd imagine the damage expected is simply the number of the bonus, multiplied by how many enemies you hit.
Something like that.
distant idol
Two +2 weapons, two craftsmen, the gold cost of getting them to +5 and 2 etches
Wasn’t +4 what you need?
cobalt dock
+5
vague knoll
Do you not see a menu like this?
I do, I go to North America but it still will not allow my message to post.
I think a bot failed to give me the role
quasi arrow
-5k souls to get Want Them All...
glad mist
Damn
wise oasis
I think it means whatever three you see right now, you will not roll those when you hit refresh
quasi arrow
I think it means whatever three you see right now, you will not roll those when ...
Sounds good, doesn't work for "optimization"
winged cove
What weapon is good for Monke?
visual osprey
Hello
visual osprey
I need assistance
I can’t talk in the looking for group NA channel for some reason
Nvm I got it
fervent bough
what's the best way to figure out what the best weapons are?
I feel like my dps is lacking in mp
but for sp I usually end up a lot more busted
visual osprey
It depends on your character!
The most important part of Gunfire is understanding where your dmg comes from
For example, as the Crown Prince maxing out Pyrodominance, I'd prefer to use a heavy dmg fire weapon like the Fire Tower, since the combustion fusion effect scales off the 2nd element that procs it
fervent bough
I play li or nona usually
Want to play owl some but IDT I've had the RNG to get a busted build yet
small ledge
I feel like Owl is pretty difficult to master
visual osprey
I've mastered Owl, I would like to help teach/share information!!
Li is also super fun and super cute
fervent bough
I fell behind with Li last night, my team mates had like 1bn and 3bn damage and I didn't crack 100m lmao
visual osprey
Li is super reliant on Ascensions
fervent bough
I mostly had Q ascensions or trash. I think the only level 3 I got was the one that causes a meteor to fire when shooting your weapon
visual osprey
Ohh I see
Q build feels to much feast or famine for me
But to be fair, the E build is too kinda
fervent bough
Nona is my most consistent character with missile builds
visual osprey
I haven't gotten a good missle build for her yet
The mecha crush build is super funny though
I LOVE seeing Iron Wing come from the top rope LOL
Iron Wing when I press E
fervent bough
If you don't get the upgrade that let's you hold the secondary button to fire missile build isn't fun
fervent bough
Yeah I'll be free most of the day
visual osprey
Do you wanna play in about an hour?
fervent bough
yeah sure just ping me
visual osprey
@fervent bough Omw!
proper beaconBOT
To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033
visual osprey
I'm here when you are: ready to roll!
digital bone
anyone wanna play togheter?
visual osprey
Whassup dude!
I'm waiting for Nido right now, we're gonna run up some R8 soon
Ya wanna join us? 😄
I'm catching a quick game of League in the meantime
digital bone
I'm waiting for Nido right now, we're gonna run up some R8 soon
what is r8 man?
im new to the game
visual osprey
Reincarnation 8
glad iris
-lfg
proper beaconBOT
To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033
mental hare
weird, they clyde bot is saying i can't post on there?
fervent bough
weird, they clyde bot is saying i can't post on there?
up in #role-assignment look for the country/location section and pick a role
cinder shore
what type of waepons are good for spore?
fallen escarp
Rapid fire for main hand. High projectile + damage for offhand.
cinder shore
thanks
carmine oar
question for anybody, my coop partner can't see any of my animations (shooting, iron wing, bullets, etc.) as of yesterday. The first 2 days we were playing everything was completely normal. We've tried switching who hosts, reinstalling the game, rebooting PCs, verifying integrity of game files, but nothing seems to work. I can see him fine but he can't see anything I'm doing other than moving. Anybody run into this before?
fallen escarp
Team Visual Effects setting. Turn it on.
carmine oar
thanks! weird how it just got turned off? he never even opened settings until now lol
open solstice
easiest way to get the kill 30 crabs acivement? I heard doing normal but I haven't had any luck so far
glad iris
You need the crab event which only appears in normal.
open solstice
ah i guess i just been unlicky haven't gotten that event it's the only one left i need
wicked python
The way events work in difficulties below R8 is that you only get one per act meanwhile the crab event can only appear in the 3rd level of Act 3
So if you get any events in 3-1 or 3-2, you know you wont be eligible for the crab event in 3-3 and you can reset for another attempt at it.
gritty prawn
has anyone been having an issue with Dark Bandits lately? im shooting the weak point very obviously, but theres nothing. it's been like this for a while now for me
vague knoll
What's a good way to get a mod's attention?
Just wanted to continue my conversation on my troubles with LFG
fervent bough
has anyone been having an issue with Dark Bandits lately? im shooting the weak p...
They've been pretty annoying on r8 in my runs
muted cave
anyone playing right now
lucid nova
holyshit just achieved a heartbeat of 220 while speedrunning lmfao
got a 7min 30s time on r1 any%
secured a nice second place :D
nimble flint
NOICE
I feel like a good old R8 Painkiller cat nade only run
Dragon Chaser , nice
Lets go full lore cat
nimble flint
I love Fortunes for fixing my issue with shields and armor on painkiller nade run
Giving me the Flesh and bones so enemies are just HP
fallen escarp
Don't forget, you're making the run harder for yourself.*
*Disclaimer: difficulty modification may "unintentionally" drop into the negatives.
nimble flint
Also... I dont have to take the scroll , which is something some people seem to forget
You only need to select the option to apply it to the enemy
fallen escarp
If you were forced to pick all 4 scrolls per act, or forced to pick up and cannot discard the scroll you select, maybe IF would actually have a punishment for the perks.
Of course, maybe the real punishment is the ability to be a complete dick in multiplayer by giving enemies Spirit Feline, knowing full well your teammates are doing one-shot builds.
small ledge
Not so bad for nades only ( okay I hit maybe a few times with the brick... )
Indeed the temptation of using such a mighty weapon can be found unbearable at times
nimble flint
nah
more like necessary as it was during wind god fight and it was dragging down my skill dmg due to the event
so the bonk with the brick was to reset my main dmg
it was just a mere tool
blazing merlin
Sorry guys, i kinda just returned to the game after a while... is it just me or Qin Yan just sucks rn?
quasi arrow
Sorry guys, i kinda just returned to the game after a while... is it just me or ...
How would you like me to respond - softly or with the truth?
visual osprey
Hiiiiii guys, good morning friends!! 😄
quasi arrow
Hiiiiii guys, good morning friends!! 😄
good afternoon
quasi arrow
How are ya?
Well, it's a beautiful summer day right now, and it's also a day off. Bicycles and motorcycles have been serviced and are ready to go. Yet here I am... sitting here and fking working since the early morning 🙂
visual osprey
Where do you work, friend? And yes yes, it is quite a beautiful day, isn’t it? :3
lucid nova
Aint a mod, but isnt this a conversation for dms?
quasi arrow
Aint a mod, but isnt this a conversation for dms?
ok, let me fix it
Well, it's a beautiful summer day right now, and it's also a day off. Bicycles and motorcycles have been serviced and are ready to go. Yet here I am... sitting here and fking working since the early morning 🙂
Well, of course, I discuss builds and strategies in the Steam version of Gunfire Reborn.
yeap, that should work
quasi arrow
Where do you work, friend? And yes yes, it is quite a beautiful day, isn’t it? :...
When I'm not playing the Steam version of Gunfire Reborn, I engage in contextual advertising. Then I log into Discord and discuss what's better, Want Them All or Weapon Mastery.
visual osprey
Really? Isn’t Dimensional Strike better?
quasi arrow
It's not a simple question. When it comes to monkeys, you need to understand how you want to build. Personally, I prefer First Strike.
First Strike>Weapon Mastery>50% Crits?
visual osprey
That’s fair. I prefer D. Strike, E build, and running a shotgun with focus on projectiles, on hit, and spores builds
I find crit unreliable without critical cudgel 3
fervent bough
No correlation to post
I am agreeing with your statement that the weak spot seems to do nothing
gritty prawn
No im saying its legitimately bugged. It's supposed to make them take critical damage, but in the video there isnt even crit hit noise
nimble flint
Crit hit noise doesnt always play especially.
Also if you want to show something about sound... dont overlay music that is louder than anything you want to show
Also from the looks it looked like the game was having some lag/processing issues since the bandit just poofed into non-existance instead of ragdolling
digital bone
Hey guys, i play with the fire fox i really love her. what weapon should i combine with here?
im stuck at Elite i cant finish it, i didnt pass the 2nd floor
any tips?
fervent bough
im stuck at Elite i cant finish it, i didnt pass the 2nd floor
what builds are you going for?
digital bone
im doing the build@fervent bough
that give me infinty Q
like i can spam the Q
and fire dmg you know
but bruh im doin shit dmg in elite like its so hard wtf
visual osprey
Hey guys, i play with the fire fox i really love her. what weapon should i comb...
I recommend the fire tower, the crimson fire scale. Also if you have it, demon lore is the strongest weapon in the game
Fire on an Illusion/Bloody Drill is also killer
distant idol
I love fire tower specially because of hang-time crits and Deadly Counter
visual osprey
You can prime your fire weapons by applying corrosion first
^^^
I love the way you think Ripstick!!
distant idol
being able to crit with a sword is unbelievably satisfying
little vortex
Afternoon all!
How's everyone doing? Hope you're all well!
visual osprey
Especially with Hawkeye sight/enhanced penetration Bullet
Hiiii Cyrix! Im doing amazing, thanks!
distant idol
throw in fire enthusiast for perma Deadly Counter activation too (if you can live the burn damage)
visual osprey
How about you, friend?
Oh for suresies
Flesh and bones + resolute for immortality
distant idol
resilient life too and whatever that +40% damage after being hit scroll is
little vortex
Hiiii Cyrix! Im doing amazing, thanks!
I'm doing well, thank you!
Practicing speedrunning this game atm, struggling but I'm getting there. 😛
gritty prawn
Crit hit noise doesnt always play especially.
Also if you want to show somethin...
1: this issue as i said has been happening for several days now
2: dark bandit is the ONLY enemy having this issue
3: yellow crit text number arent showing, so even if crit noise doesnt always play, you can still tell theyre not crits
4: sorry about the music, i dont know when something im going to shadowplay record will happen
5: i think the *poof * was because of the fire-electric effect changing the ai
distant idol
speed runs are dope but the fact that I’ve never built for spore geminis makes me clueless as to how to do so 
gritty prawn
Im gonna try verifying gamefile integrity
gritty prawn
speed runs are dope but the fact that I’ve never built for spore geminis makes m...
Im not a speedrunner but something like high damage/fire rate smg+shotgun with lotta pellets works well for me
distant idol
I should specify, consistently*
I get the general idea of things since I’ve seen runs before, but getting a hang of what scrolls, inscriptions, and characters synergize with the build takes time and practice.
nimble flint
Argus, Hell and Illusion work for pairing with something like the rainbow
Spore is often enough to carry alone
visual osprey
I'm doing well, thank you!
Practicing speedrunning this game atm, struggling but...
Speedrunning gives me anxiety haha, unless it’s the parkour vaults in game
little vortex
Speedrunning is super fun, but also very hard
Spore is very OP honestly, when you get it, the game just feel seasy, no matter the difficulty.
It does feel nice to just destroy people though, for sure!
digital bone
how do i get there
proud shale
you dont
nimble flint
1: this issue as i said has been happening for several days now
2: dark bandit i...
Anyways :
- issue is now reported, wierd that nobody else said anything about that ( or I even didnt notice but they just died to skill dmg in my last runs sooo)
- Crit numbers are overwritten by lucky shot
spare inlet
Just got a god run with owl
fervent bough
I unlocked the bunny and maxed out her talent tree, any advice for making her op?
zealous turret
spore build
visual osprey
Spooooooooooores
quasi arrow
YEA, SPORES!!!11
quasi arrow
I unlocked the bunny and maxed out her talent tree, any advice for making her op...
For some real build go to wiki and scroll to ... builds https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Tao
glad iris
sword spam with sword enthusiast III
spark stream
is nona or the owl better
fervent bough
is nona or the owl better
nona probably the easiest single player character
visual osprey
The Owl def has the most swag, though
glad mist
is nona or the owl better
Why does it matter... Play both see which you prefer. It's not like you can only play one of them
quasi arrow
Why does it matter... Play both see which you prefer. It's not like you can only...
BS, my game is locked to Monkey for some reason 🙂
glad mist
I genuinely don't understand people being like who's better... It's non competitive game where you get free choice on who to play. This ain't Diablo where you have to select 1 class
fallen escarp
Because some people want to be pointed straight at the hero who lets them win with minimal effort.
nimble flint
Personally I dont like the min max mind setting
The pathological need to know every little stat and "what is best" before even playing
Just play the bloody game and figure out yourself.
The best way to play might not be what is actually working for you.
Thats why I dont like tier lists as well
Everybody plays different and has different preferences. A tier list doesnt reflect everybodies subjective view of things
visual osprey
It doesn’t matter, some people just wanna play and game and learn
If people wanna mix max, let them 😄
It’s a harmless question
Asking which character is better
fallen escarp
I personally don't mind the questions, but the sad reality is the answer is usually so extreme that I wouldn't use it myself.
nimble flint
I let them play , thats my way
Everyone plays their way
But thats why I am also the worst to ask "what is best"
I am a mix of Cave Johnson and Moon Knight in that regard
When life gives you lemons RANDOM BULLSHIT GO
Call me Cave Knight or Moon Johnson
civic bough
Hello, sorry if this isnt the right place to ask but im trying to find the right place.
I accidentally cleared my save file and im trying to find out if theres any hope of getting it back.
I saw a steam thread back from 2021 that said to come to the discord and ask about it cause there are devs here who may be helpful. Any help is greatly appreciated!
digital bone
is this good weapon?
digital bone
@visual ospreyyo dude i just had the mose powerful build with the fox
I was unstopbile lol
digital bone
i had something that make me 1 hp but have a lot of shiled
and with the fox i got to 1000 shield
so i never die
digital bone
yea i was so struggle to finish the 2nd floor. but now im done all the stages in 1 run
btw if you wanna play sometime
dm em
i play only solo
digital bone
digital bone
But I prefer having duo dates with cuties :3
as your wish m8
queen plover
finding this a bit confusing 🤔
nimble flint
Its pretty much as it says
When you reach max capacity for your secondary it consumes them all and gives you +10%*X Weapon Dmg for 20s with X equal to the amount consumed
little vortex
I've never found that scroll useful myself.
The enhanced one isn't bad
fallen escarp
It's for weapon builds.
If you do nothing but skill builds, then well that's the result.
little vortex
Yeah, you're right.
Just honestly haven't gotten alot of use out of it, but I could see it being good for Ao bai
queen plover
Thanks for the responses and input
I haven't looked up any builds yet I'm just trying to figure things out myself for now 😅
visual osprey
I hope you have as much fun in your adventures as I have
2K hours and still learning new things :3
little vortex
2k? Damn.. that's nuts!
I admire the dedication!
visual osprey
The game is so much fun…
little vortex
Oh it is! I 1000% agree
visual osprey
I started when bird came out as the 3rd character
I’ve..:witness the days of pre-nerf Lei Luo on release…
.<
little vortex
I've been playing since Crown Prince and Ao Bai were the only two, and have only got 430hours..
XD
little vortex
I am not.
I'm actually laying in bed watching YouTube haha
I'm up to play tomorrow though if you'd like!
visual osprey
Oh for sure, I’d love to play tomorrow
little vortex
What difficulty do you usually play? ^^
untold umbra
i think i just got a god run on dog
untold umbra
yeah i got most of it before stage 2 couldn't belive it
proper beaconBOT
To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033
visual osprey
Shore
little vortex
i think i just got a god run on dog
Nice!!
nimble flint
please stick to the lfg chats
queen plover
lol this grenadier keeps throwing into the ceiling and is stuck in an endless nightmare loop, poor thing >.<
visual osprey
Oh, sorry!
fervent bough
I tried to get a blade build going on the bunny and pretty much only got weapons accensions lol
queen plover
One of my least played so far, haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet 😊
spare inlet
New gemini is kinda broken on dog
little vortex
Which Gemini?
glad iris
Judging from the choice of weapons, probably the 1 mag gemini.
little vortex
I've never been able to pull that off. Really wanna give it a go
queen plover
Finally down to less than a page of locked 
queen plover
want to light but can't..
nimble flint
But you can ring the bells in the tomb
spare inlet
Judging from the choice of weapons, probably the 1 mag gemini.
Is it 1 mag gemi
graceful oriole
what build for nona in reicarnation should i be looking for
cobalt dock
Melee mode/ranged mode/ Pistol
unreal horizon
Nona has contradictory ascensions but some of them individually are enough to warrant the value of a weapon
Aura of Venom is typically a solid option regardless
Nimble Fingers makes Hell and Mortar top tier
Modified Magazine makes most snipers and Shrieker pretty solid, potentially anything if you have a way to infinite mag like Deft Hands, Enhanced Skateboarder, Advanced Armory
Eagle Eye is very good with Star Ring, pretty decent with Aura of Venom
My preferred build is Nimble Finger Mortar with Gemini Reload, preferably Aura of Venom as the secondary to make Strike Mode enable combustion
graceful oriole
what weapons should i be on the lookout for
i only got a brick saved. and its pretty bad
unreal horizon
Weapons you save shouldn't be dependant on upgrades, so usually Gemini fodder or primaries for using spore
So high element chance corrosion/fire, high magazine size mag share, high critx crit share
High rate of fire Rainbow
Or you can farm lightning orb weapons for Lei Luo's bolt build
Demonlore also doesn't really care about weapon levels
You could also spare a slot in case you want a perfect offhand for Weapon Genius Dog build
So probably aim for 100% Decay weapon, 100% Burning weapon, max magazine size, permanent Starlight Brick with Enhanced Crit X
Probably an Aura of Venom with Lightning Ball on Crit
fallen escarp
Big Hippo with some RoF bonuses might work better, though you'd have to get pretty lucky to find a suitable one.
small ledge
i only got a brick saved. and its pretty bad
well there's your first problem
Speaking of
I beat my Normal Adventure PB
unreal horizon
Elemental Spread Aura of Venom with Lightning Ball would be hard to beat
small ledge
Brick Only of course
spare inlet
I just got this gun after 2 days of farming is it any gud?
small ledge
I mean that's mostly exclusive inscriptions so based on my scrub POV, I'd say it's good
unreal horizon
It's not bad
fallen escarp
DMG vs elemental effect is pretty mid for a Demonlore, unless you element share.
The stability reduction is also gonna suck.
Other 2 are good though, plus the gemini.
graceful oriole
how people getting like 4 abilities? i got 2
fallen escarp
Later areas drop higher level weapons with more inscriptions.
spare inlet
I also got a 248 mag thunderclap too and i dont care much about stab since at 99 stack u got like 150 lucky shot and 500% stab
unreal horizon
Ideally you'd want +rate of fire on crit, +projectile on kill, +accuracy, homing on kill, and last is up to you
spare inlet
Kk i will try to find more i guess
graceful oriole
found a big hippo with more dmg per consecutie hit. thats all though. i like it though
unreal horizon
If you have a high enough elemental effect chance, the +damage on elemental effect is actually pretty good
spare inlet
I mean u still gonna make the enemy burn tho with that much of rof on demon lore
unreal horizon
I like Big Hippo, I just don't like -10% movespeed
Most enemies will die before burning procs
graceful oriole
opinion?
fallen escarp
I mean u still gonna make the enemy burn tho with that much of rof on demon lore
You'd only get about 19% chance per shot, factoring in the +1 projectiles.
unreal horizon
You're strike build so Jackpot IMO
fallen escarp
Leading to an average of 5 shots before it takes effect. Besides elites and bosses or a balanced (AKA weak) build in general, it's not gonna work that quickly.
unreal horizon
Or save at well and reload until you get a better roll
cobalt dock
I also got a 248 mag thunderclap too and i dont care much about stab since at 99...
funny how Expanded is a gradient, got 250 hippo, friend got 252 Star ring
unreal horizon
I thought most enhanced modifiers had a range
unreal horizon
Yep, super annoying
graceful oriole
any good?
fallen escarp
First 2 non-gemini ones rely on hits, and Bloody Drill is pretty bad when it comes to hit count.
Last 2 are alright though.
Instant kills though might still sometimes work in your favor.
graceful oriole
found this almost immedielyl after
south oasis
how do you give host while matching?
small ledge
I don't think you can if by matching you mean during a game session
You have to do it from the inn, afaik
south oasis
I don't think you can if by matching you mean during a game session
matching with teammates
upbeat drift
What weapon is good for Monke?
There are quite a few
Depends on the build
Lemme know the build and i can give a decent answer
winged cove
No specific one. I wanted to know like "X is a good option for Q build, while Y is good for E build"
upbeat drift
Pistols are good for q builds
Shrieker plus sniper is good for e (take want them all)
For pure weapon argus is fantastic
So is wildhunt
cinder shore
which bizzare dreams actually make the game harder? For example I feel like lone ranger the game actually feels much easier even though the enemies are supposed to be "fiercer"
zinc frigate
Heyy, quick question, is the "base damage" of a shotgun the damager per pellet or damageXpellets?
zinc frigate
Is the direct damage to HP from Penetration Bullet extra damage? Or is it just the same damage that you'd be dealing to the shield otherwise? (seems like the later)
visual osprey
The same damage
Half of it hits the shield/armor, the other half goes directly to hp
^_^
zinc frigate
Ah, gotcha. And that makes it good because generally enemies have way less HP than shield, right?
visual osprey
That, and fire damage is reduced against shields/armor
As opposed to being buffed against hp
Get a fire bloody drill with penetration Bullet
And become a menace against those pesky bandit retainers XD
fervent bough
why is the NA lfg gone?
zinc frigate
Oooh, I didn't know that! Good to know, thanks 🙂 When it comes to the burning effect, btw, is it better on weapons that apply it frequently? I only ask because I know it doesn't stack, but it does apply at least one tick when it applies each time. I guess maybe it's a tossup since the damage is still based on the base weapon damage, huh?
visual osprey
What I like about fire damage is proc’cing combustion with corrosive
nimble flint
why is the NA lfg gone?
Its not
visual osprey
Because the dmg of the fusion effect scales with the damage of what applies the 2nd element
zinc frigate
Oh wow, I had to look that up, I had no idea there were different effects when two elemental effects like burning and decay are stacked on an enemy, haha
That is really cool, nice
visual osprey
There’s miasma, confusion, combustion
zinc frigate
Makes that gemini that shares the elemental advantages even better, huh?
visual osprey
Yup!
Confusion is CC, combustion is aoe base damage, and miasma is a stackable, spreading % max hp damage over time effect
zinc frigate
Cool, thanks for all the useful knowledge 😁 Last question for ya since you've been so helpful, haha. Do you know how the base damage for a shotgun is calculated when it comes to like, that 80% fireball proc or something like that?
Like, is the base damage the damage of an individual projectile? Or is it Projectiles X Damage = Base damage? 🤔
visual osprey
I’m not entirely sure, sorry!
zinc frigate
Ah, no prob, no prob 🙂
visual osprey
Glad I could be helpful though, I love sharing what I know :3
You can ask me anything and I will do my best to answer
zinc frigate
Yea, thanks so much! I had a run yesterday with a friend where I got a Sunder with two legendary inscriptions, 80% chance for fireball and 80% chance for lightning ball and it felt incredibly strong, since each proc was based on projectile. So I'd shoot once and sometimes create 5 fire and lightning balls, haha
visual osprey
I wonder if the following combustion effect would scale on the Sunder’s damage
Or if the fireballs have a set damage
I found this
zinc frigate
I read that the fireballs are 5 * Base damage, which seemed really strong, but dunno honestly, lol. My friend got that scroll that gives all weapons 2 legendary inscriptions so we all felt insanely super powered xD
Ah, yea, that's the one I came across too, haha
visual osprey
Interesting that they scale off skill damage
zinc frigate
Honestly I think the shotgun's base damage is only based on an individual projectile, because the lightning balls felt pretty weak. The fireballs were good though
Pretty sure I saw each tick only doing 62 dmg at the time and I think the individual projectile of the Sunder was doing around 120ish too, so that'd make sense
visual osprey
Ahh yeah, that makes sense
nimble flint
They are pellet based, since each hit can proc that
visual osprey
Hopefully we get a practice tool mode for the game sometime
zinc frigate
They are pellet based, since each hit can proc that
Yea, that makes perfect sense
nimble flint
10 procs at full total dmg would be way too much
visual osprey
Thanks for the clarification
zinc frigate
Hahaha, agreed
visual osprey
I don’t believe in way too much after witnessing the atrocities of a min maxed monkey
zinc frigate
Not to get too #off-topic, but I like the Yuno pfp btw 👍 That was a fun anime
nimble flint
It is a fragile thing
Like I did a speedrun with Zi Xiao on R8
I had some cards out with Ichty
He died while I blinked after skipping the cutscene
And I did nothing
just some cards go woosh
visual osprey
I’ve done that once as card owl too, but I much prefer E build
Killed the sand noodle with the first proc of a super legendary card house LOL
visual osprey
Not to get too <#717665661236674612>, but I like the Yuno pfp btw 👍 That was a...
Thanks btw!!
It was a gif, but my nitro expired 😩
zinc frigate
A respectable use of Nitro 🫡
zinc frigate
Ah yea, the stuff with Sixth/Twelfth 😌
visual osprey
Yup yup
shy tapir
Hey, anyone experiencing weird / unstable ping issues since the last patch?
It seems like the host (in the lobby) isn't the one actually hosting the game anymore
distant cedar
is there a good difficulty to get the crab buffet achievement easier?
or its still just RNG regardless of difficulty?
cobalt dock
or its still just RNG regardless of difficulty?
Normal only
unreal horizon
found this almost immedielyl after
Here's an example of something I have in my vault. Everything on it is frankly awful but it meets the minimum requirements of being Aura of Venom + Lightning Ball on Crit. It has 4 wasted inscriptions
Though the elemental effect chance could let it be a double purpose I guess
visual osprey
The ACC and stability not bad for alt firing the whole stock with advanced depot
unreal horizon
yeah it's acceptable
Ideally since it's capped on Fire Rate I'd want elemental share aoe, +1 projectile, +0.2 projectile on kill
then that leaves one wildcard, either accuracy, -55% reload speed, or magazine size
assuming with +0.2 projectile on kill, then accuracy
orrrr Piercing +1 maybe?
yeah I like that idea, Piercing +1
distant cedar
Normal only
so I should go on normal to get crab buffet easier?
cobalt dock
yes
unreal horizon
rate of fire is additive right? so Big Hippo with +50% ROF exclusive and +100% from critical hits is +150% ROF right?
wait ROF affects aura of venom weapon skill?
so the +100% rate of fire on crit would still be useful for orb proccing
then why's the wiki list this
https://i.imgur.com/gX60LcC.png
that's from a table saying ROF increases effective damage including reload
cobalt dock
oh, forgotten from that table then
unreal horizon
that table is just a calulation of ROF giving DPS increase based on base magazine size and base reload speed
which would mean ROF is a 1:1 for Aura of Venom special if you have infinite mag
so if you can afford the ammo cost (maybe I need that "missed shots returned ammo thing") then to max DPS as Bolt Tiger I'd want ROF on Aura of Venom
cobalt dock
RoF doesn't work on the skill
unreal horizon
then does the wiki need to be edited?
cobalt dock
yes
unreal horizon
because it two different spots, the table and the Aura of Venom page it says it modifies it yeah
cobalt dock
on the AoV page it doesn't comment on it which it should
the other one i ddin't know existed
unreal horizon
https://i.imgur.com/8G0NKVs.png it comments on it, saying it has "diminished returns"
which implies that it works
but I tracked the post to being August 2020, did Aura's weapon skill never work with rate of fire or did it get patched?
It looks like Ulithemuli in August 2020 also made the table for ROF
can someone hack Nona to have level 3 Nimble Fingers with a base Aura of Venom and test that
unreal horizon
also devs please remove failure sound from quitting as a toggle thanks
yeah I just tested with level 3 Nimble Finger on Aura of Venom, weapon skill is indeed rate of fire capped
cobalt dock
but +1 projectile does not use the +100% consumption for the skill
unreal horizon
So it fires twice as many shots while still costing 1 shot apiece or just doesn't use it?
edited the Aura of Venom and wiki table I linked earlier
ahh so its https://i.imgur.com/8AWYOWj.png
hmm so Big Hippo can fire more rounds per second with ideal inscriptions...
but that movespeed is atrocious
fervent bough
Hey, anyone experiencing weird / unstable ping issues since the last patch?
yeah I've noticed desync issues
unreal horizon
yep still think Aura's better, Big Hippo just doesn't require an infinite mag setup
upbeat drift
I feel so dumb about a lot of the game's mechanics
I have 280 hours in the game though, so i have to stop saying it's cause i'm new
gilded cobalt
dunno if it was tested, talked about, or done before. but did beat the game first try on a new save file, and no, there is no special dialogue when you beat your first run the first time
glad iris
it's been done many times before.
gilded cobalt
well that awnsers my question lol
queen plover
🫥
fervent bough
I just died getting stuck on shit two games in a row and closed it lol
queen plover
I think one of my issues is trying to level up every single hero all at once instead of focusing on a few 🤔
But still having a blast regardless
glad iris
I honestly would just focus on one and use that one to get the hero talents for the others.
queen plover
I hear ya but my excitement to try and practice everyone is real
fervent bough
@queen plover I'm down to run some lower difficulties with you sometime
r8 is kinda boring
queen plover
I appreciate the offer but not really seeking to be carried
Would rather have level playing field, yanno?
I enjoy the progression and struggle
@fervent bough Out of curiosity though what makes it boring for you?
glad iris
Game gets boring after a while if you play the same build over and over.
Gotta change things up.
queen plover
Seems like a long way off for me still. For me it still always feels like there are so many variables in each run that it stays interesting.
unreal horizon
reincarnation gives enemies danger but then gives players far more potential power to outscale it
struggle in Longling Tombs and Desert? With R8 Lone Wolf 4 you could have Overconsumption as your free blessing combined with your class build
fervent bough
<@777046349484261376> Out of curiosity though what makes it boring for you?
the difficulty curve gets weird, especially in mp. If you fall behind any you basically aren't doing anything
unreal horizon
yeah reincarnation multiplayer is basically 1 dude making everyone do nothing or you being the one doing nothing
fervent bough
Maybe duos is the sweet spot
unreal horizon
maybe if you banned team revives the game could be interesting I guess
queen plover
I've always enjoyed duos and have a heavy collection of 2 player co-op games
fervent bough
Desync has been pretty bad lately, dying to things I dodge on my screen then a few frames later I'm downed
queen plover
Even like borderlands I prefer 2 over many
fervent bough
I'm going to play borderlands with a friend soon, funny you mention that
queen plover
So why is the power getting concentrated to one player?
unreal horizon
Any time I play multiplayer the list of character builds I expressly don't want to play with grows
fervent bough
RNG
unreal horizon
Latest being All Or Nothing Qing Yan
queen plover
Are they just veteran players among the intermediate?
unreal horizon
No, it's just RNG or people choosing OP builds vs average builds
fervent bough
I mean that has some play in it, but if you don't get anything cooking you don't get anything cooking either.
unreal horizon
one person needs "x" to pop off and never gets it, the other gets Dual Edge, Deadly Curse, perfect ascensions, and a godly gun
fervent bough
I've had runs where I don't get anything that would make my build seriously broken
unreal horizon
Some builds innately are broken with little RNG
queen plover
So high efficiency strict choices for maximum damage and anyone who strays from the cookie cutter falls behind rapidly?
unreal horizon
it's the other way around, people who go for best possible builds are looked down upon for killing the mobs too fast
because the game is already too easy
if you
pick the strongest meta EZ WIN build you invalidate the team completely
fervent bough
I don't necessarily look down on anyone for doing that, it just gets boring
the most annoying thing to fall behind on is movement speed too lmao
unreal horizon
In many cases people who can solo the entire R8 4 player scaling then just have 3 cheerleaders and it is no longer a multiplayer game
it's just a scroll sharing and waiting simulator
when I notice someone is instakilling all the mobs before I can even aim at them? I drop my scrolls and quit
I think it's etiquette that MOST people learn not to pick blatantly OP builds to not ruin the game for the other 3
fervent bough
I want to get a good Li meteor build going but haven't had much luck. Nona missiles is way easier to make good
unreal horizon
My main is Lei Luo, and you know what? I rarely play him because he's usually too strong
queen plover
My one and only multiplayer experience so far was a Nona who I think had a pretty damn good idea about the turret thingie and I really just ran along behind so I can relate to all of that even as a new player grinding normal.
I haven't played with others again since
quasi arrow
Nona's Lucky Magazine and Nimble Finger does not work on Pole Monarch dmg check. At least if you are using Fire Tower or shurikens.
So:
Pole Monarch bug or all game bug but except Pole Monarch dmg check?
fervent bough
I failed the dmg check on a solo owl run, couldn't get my cards to go fast enough lmao
unreal horizon
I mean, Nimble Finger would work if you have an empty magazine before the event, just for the duration though
so an empty Foundry, pop reload as it begins
unreal horizon
One of these days they'll nerf my main so I can play him in multiplayer again
surely...
visual osprey
I don't think he needs a nerf
At least not until atomic bomb dog and other builds get a nerf
Just play gradual improvement build
unreal horizon
You could just deliberately choose bad blessings, bad ascensions, and bad guns to self nerf
visual osprey
Instead of Thunder & Glory
quasi arrow
I mean, Nimble Finger would work if you have an empty magazine before the event,...
It should not work at all with 1 ammo no reload weapon. Like Magic Magazine, Tactical Reload, Explosive Magazine and so on... coz you need a RELOAD
visual osprey
I wouldn't say "bad", rather different
Unless by bad you mean shit like thunderbolt converter LOL
unreal horizon
Gradual Improvement is still worlds better than most of the normal builds I run in multiplayer
unreal horizon
in general
visual osprey
Ah yeah
It has a very good minimum performance compared to other builds
Owl E build with no heaven strike/flashing star? Prepare to tickle
unreal horizon
Gradual Improvement with a Shrieker is pretty hard to beat
visual osprey
Gradual improvement with no ascenscions and scrolls still has that juicy 10-15x crit x
I don't use the shrieker often
Bloody Drill Gang, rise up
unreal horizon
It's probably the strongest weapon for Lei Luo outside of Lightning Ball on Crit Aura of Venom for bolt build
visual osprey
I disagree
unreal horizon
Strongest meaning killing hordes of enemies
visual osprey
Hmm okay, I thought you meant highest damage
unreal horizon
Bloody Drill is the highest damage but probably not the highest DPS
visual osprey
Single target I think it's up there
unreal horizon
needs something to live long enough to stack bleed to get highest dps
visual osprey
Outclassed by demonlore though
unreal horizon
nahhh demonlore is outclassed by a large amount of guns
visual osprey
Demonlore is the best weapon in the game
In my humble opinion
The only thing I would contest with is the pupil
unreal horizon
it has poor scaling because it doesn't scale with weapon upgrades
so a +10 Angelic Aura is actually higher DPS
visual osprey
Wym doesnt scale with weapon upgrades?
fervent bough
I like radioactive gauntlent with a hell secondary spore build a lot
visual osprey
Angelic aura doesn't rock 990% increased base dmg
unreal horizon
the bonus you gain from crit on Demonlore only applies to the +0 base damage, and any weapon enhancements doesn't impact the 990%,
so you're getting 990% of 30 and nothing else
visual osprey
I'm not qure shure what you mean by the +0 base damage
unreal horizon
+0 meaning an unupgraded weapon
so yes, Angelic Aura has a higher DPS than Demonlore at +10
visual osprey
I don't think that's true
But I've been wrong before
So I'm gonna do some research now 😄
visual osprey
So it's saying that an upgrade increases the damage by 15%?
unreal horizon
15% of the base 30 damage
visual osprey
But only for the Demonlore? And other weapons get more increased dmg from upgrades?
unreal horizon
it's the buff of Demonlore that is unique, other inscriptions work identically
visual osprey
I don't quite understand
So, is the gist of what you're saying, the demonlore is worse because of it's base damage?
unreal horizon
https://i.imgur.com/4C8Pbqv.png so this would also not apply to weapons upgraded
it might be easier to understand that upgrades are +15% weapon damage and these inscriptions and weapon abilities do not multiply it
they just add
exception is https://i.imgur.com/qjxMDpV.png because it multiplies damage
visual osprey
With everything except for the demonlore’s passive?
unreal horizon
demonlore's passive or any inscriptions that say "+weapon base damage" are the same
visual osprey
I see
Well
I appreciate your clarification
But I prefer to judge things based on my experiences in game
unreal horizon
if you want to test, the highest DPS weapons in the game... 1st is unlimited magazine Wild Hunt, 2nd is Aura of Venom (unlimited magazine)
visual osprey
Because of the alt fire, yeah
I like the infinite wild hunt, but I feel like the fire rate nerf took it down a bit
And usability is low
unreal horizon
3rd I think depends on if the target can survive long enough, between Wolf Gaze and Angelic Aura unlimited magazine
visual osprey
Idk
I’ve RARELY had weapons that come close to maxed demonlore
I will ride this flame subby for life LOL
unreal horizon
Demonlore doesn't require a maxed profile, doesn't require upgrading, doesn't require basically anything but unlimited magazine
so it's pretty strong
unreal horizon
in that case the most consistent is Rainbow + Argus Gemini Spore
visual osprey
Of course
unreal horizon
if you get the Wolf Gaze that causes enemies to explode on death
that's a strong one, especially on Tao with Flower Chain
visual osprey
I see
I’ll keep an eye out for that then, I enjoy the wolf gaze ^_^
Well friend, I gotta get to work soon
unreal horizon
seeya
little vortex
Does anyone know of a good way to farm soul essence?
fervent bough
Does anyone know of a good way to farm soul essence?
r8 runs
little vortex
r8 runs
Cool. Might do a few R8 runs tomorrow. I've gone from 25k to like 6k in 2-3 days of runs
visual osprey
Endlessly refreshing for spiritual blessings that like to play hide and seek
visual osprey
Haha, same
little vortex
Spent like 3k on getting a blessing for my last run
visual osprey
Was it worth?
little vortex
I PB'd by 2 seconds, so.. yes? XD
lucid nova
Spent like 3k on getting a blessing for my last run
you know that you can just quit at the first phatom pedler to save soul essence if you dont get what you want
little vortex
you know that you can just quit at the first phatom pedler to save soul essence ...
Yep! I will start doing that.
visual osprey
I just don't like forcing a group of 4 to quit just for my soul essence 😭
pearl garden
Wait is new Magshare gemini supposed to be this absolutely broken or is it some bird change I'm not aware of?
Just had a run where I was basically one tapping things with a Hell even from a good distance/-stability and it just felt too good to be true
Game is suggesting a single pellet hit for 10mil. Er, actually that might be Double Tap. Would make more sense.
fallen escarp
Well you do get up to +150% total damage if you keep reloading...
pearl garden
I had a no reload synergy via Ammo Extractor fusion/Against the Flow
fallen escarp
Lol.
Birb hasn't really changed to get that sort of power though.
Recharge Shot's cap got doubled, Victory Rush got slightly stronger with higher hit count, Fully Equipped lasts longer and regens armor on weapon hits, and Nova Shockwave gives up to +100 max Armor.
And Double Tap's cooldown went from 0.5s to 0.3s.
pearl garden
It was wild. Super fun. Just never had a Hell do that before post-combustion changes.
slow wraith
I regret everything
and I have Take It All...
Im searching for a red chest bc my life depends on destorying the Paranormality scroll
luckily I have 3 instances of dmg immunity every dual weild with a -75% cooldown
this is the TRUE hard mode
YES YES YES
I DESTORYED IT, only had to go through 7 combat areas and an elite hermit. Now if it was a Elite Henchman im pretty sure I'd be dead. Easy to no hit a hermit honestly.
fallen escarp
About 2.5 months until the anniversary of the first OP blessing.
25th of September is when we all can celebrate by picking Dog and using Atomic Bomb, in memory of the first blessing to change everything.
visual osprey
For me, it’s Thunder & Glory
First time we got a base ratio that big I think
1200% increased damage for free
Apparently it’s multiplicative with fulminous zap? What the heck
cinder shore
does leveling up the weapon increase soul strike damage as monkey?
fallen escarp
Yes.
cinder shore
are there any other weapon mods that are beneficial?
fallen escarp
For me, it’s Thunder & Glory
Thunder & Glory might have a massive number, but Atomic Bomb's number could end up just as massive, if not more.
At the time, you could have up to 16 capacity, with each grenade actually throwing 2 for a total of 32 grenades. Each grenade hit would give +50% damage.
Assuming each grenade only hits 1 enemy, that's a total of +1600% damage.
That's also not counting the fact that you're throwing 16 times the usual number of grenades as well, each one scaling up as they explode on enemies.
bold kelp
baboomba
can't you get 32 capacity with uhh endless assault?
wasn't that one of the first ones added too?
fallen escarp
Endless Assault could only do that months mater.
And it's additive with Double Exhilaration, for only 24.
bold kelp
ohh oka
fallen escarp
Just did the calculation, and assuming you hit 1 enemy with each grenade, you had a 30% chance of dealing a total of 28000% damage.
+27900% is slightly higher than +1200%, I'd think.
bold kelp
I'm putting Tao and Dog bottom 2 for R8
Tao early game R8 is Hellish
for me Tao is the most fun character
I LOVE FIRERATE builds
like Athena from Borderlands TPS with her Tempest stacks and the Fast Talker smg
but good god if she doesn't have issues in R8L4
there's gotta be a better way to say Reincarnation 8 Lone WOlf 4
I'm calling it Jerry Mode
if you don't you will incite my wrath
queen plover
Pick my hero for last run of the night before bed
bold kelp
Tao on Jerry Mode
you deserve some sleep and you will after losing the run in temple 4
queen plover
I am scrub no idea what Jerry mode is fill me in (three sentences or less)
queen plover
Son I am on normal and elite gtfooh
bold kelp
well they don't get that much harder neccessarily, your runs just tend to have even stronger builds
like uhh Dead Cells
Yes the game gets harder
but it increases the cap on the weapon levels so you start getting way higher damage to balance
queen plover
I get that but my essence and talents won't quite allow me to do that yet
bold kelp
yeah nah any Reincarnation level past 4 is probably not possible without full talents
the extra HP talent says it all
queen plover
I have put in a hearty work week worth of hours so far but probably a fraction of what most have. I still can't even secure a W with sombrero prince.
bold kelp
Prince is a lot of Miasma abusing
glad iris
I don't see how any character would have issues with lone wolf active.
pearl garden
^
bold kelp
what does Lone Wolf even do?
it says scaling but what does that mean specifically
because I assume it increases their health or makes there be more elites
like Robust early
queen plover
Honestly game feels a bit pay to win 🤐 O_O but that is my very novice and limited impression..
queen plover
Only heroes I have won with are dlc
No wait that isn't true I have the dude with essence unlock
bold kelp
Lei is probably top 1-2 so that can't be the case
glad iris
what does Lone Wolf even do?
Scales the amount of enemies to multiplayer and some enemy dmg boost.
But they don't get hp scaling.
bold kelp
I would still say that impacts Tao quite a lot personally
glad iris
You also get an extra blessing which makes it easier.
pearl garden
Every character is at minimum A tier, with Dog being the conditional S+ tier with Blessings and maybe B tier without.
bold kelp
yeah Free Overconsumption is so useful
queen plover
Goggle boy is the exception in my limited experience
Obese cat
Otherwise I'm getting messed up
pearl garden
The DLC characters barring monkey might be easier to be OP with but every playable character can be broken.
bold kelp
it's playstyle too
people will gel with characters they like the playstyle of more
it's subconcious even
fleet tapir
bold kelp
That effects your runs quite a bit because each item and goblet is a small increase in power that adds up
and picking the incorrect ones can ruin it
queen plover
I'm experimenting with all atm and I am having an absolute blast but I just wanted to point out my only wins so far are on DLC heroes and that fat cat.
Also I am leveling all heroes simultaneously.
fallen escarp
DLC heroes, except monkey, suffer from an era where powercreep is the norm.
Fox and Owl are known for having absurdly high damage for rather low effort, Fox having a massive AoE and Owl just needing to look at enemies.
Red Panda on the other hand is known for having the absurd ability to get revived dozens of times even in singleplayer games.
bold kelp
make dog good again
pearl garden
Where's my bandaid picture one sec
pearl garden
make dog good again
Done.
queen plover
Played dog once haven't been drawn back yet
bold kelp
amazing
he's like everything salvador did but worse
make Dog's money shot skill actually the money shot
fallen escarp
It used to be more like Money Shot, actually.
It only applied to the last ammo in the magazine, and was called Last Shot instead of Ember Eruption.
The damage bonus was also slightly higher too, I suppose.
pearl garden
DLC heroes, except monkey, suffer from an era where powercreep is the norm.
Love how we both went "DLC (((except 
)))"
fallen escarp
But unless you were using kunai or Tiger Cannon back when it was useful, it was a pretty miserable ascension.
pearl garden
I take it that was back when Glimmering was actually good
fallen escarp
Yes.
queen plover
I must suffer through at least 100 hours of learning before I look up any builds or watch any videos
I am halfway there >.<
fallen escarp
Quick everyone! Spam links to videos and images of build strategies!
pearl garden
Fierce Wings Frenzied Shark build link spam commencing
bold kelp
Done.
btw these bandaids SCREAM "I'm getting a vaccine and a lollipop"
has Nona gotten a skills touch up yet to shift some of the power away from the rocket build?
fallen escarp
Yep! She got a talent buffed for Strike Mode, a blessing buff for Strike Mode and a new blessing for using Mecha Drop with Strike Mode!
In other words, the idea that Strike Mode is the weaker but tougher mode for distracting enemies? Nah, let's forget that part.
bold kelp
well i always felt like she should be like Fl4k
you can buff youself a ton
but also you can buff the pet to OP
fallen escarp
You can buff Iron Wing so much they literally don't need your help to win.
fallen escarp
Bad. What's the point of playing if you let the game play itself for you?
pearl garden
🐔 📈
bold kelp
they should work like a team
fallen escarp
And you don't need to.
bold kelp
I would have wanted more duo centric skills
fallen escarp
Pick the right stuff, and Iron Wing doesn't need you at all.
bold kelp
big guy
pearl garden
There's plenty of games out there that have Summoner or pet builds that play for you. It's less about not playing and more about curating your minions/partner to dish out pain. Some people find this fun.
That said I haven't played Nona so idk if it's fun in this context.
bold kelp
Nappa from DBFZ when he gets EX Saibaman setup:
fallen escarp
Summoner classes still at least require things for the player to do.
Some of them requires the player to keep summoning or helping their pets else lose them all.
Others require you to still actively participate in the fight like dodging enemy attacks, because you're still the main target.
Nona doesn't require either if you pick the Pair of Us blessing.
bold kelp
I would play Diablo 4 for the druid if it wasn't like $120 dollars and has a battle pass
fuck that
fuck Blizzard
pearl garden
Nona doesn't require either if you pick the Pair of Us blessing.
Uhm 
achshuahlee Nona still has to press W to pick up the goblets, items, and move to the next zone so it isn't truly afk
bold kelp
Nona W button run
fallen escarp
Didn't say it was AFK.
bold kelp
you can only press W and F
pearl garden
[And E]
bold kelp
No...
fallen escarp
Still need to do the minimum to progress.
Kind of like an idle game. You stop in every few hours to buy a few more upgrades or move to the next task.
bold kelp
big number go WEHEHEHE
fallen escarp
Nona's case, you peek out of your hiding place every minute or so to scoop up all the copper, scrolls and goblets.
cobalt dock
Nona's case, you peek out of your hiding place every minute or so to scoop up al...
peak nona SA
bold kelp
skilled trick + Bloody Ammo/advanced Depot + aura of venom the pistol spirtual ascension
pearl garden
Did someone say pistol ❄️ 
pearl garden
Welcome to Funfire Reborn where we have pistols and """pistols"""