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[junior wave]

then it wouldnt work on weapons that dont reload

[fallen escarp]

"Last Ammo" effects apply as long as the magazine is 1 when you shoot.

[junior wave]

empty your magazine until you're at 1 shot

[fallen escarp]

The mag 2 inscription is famous for this.

[junior wave]

then pickup depot and never reload or get ammo refill stuff

[fallen escarp]

Set the magazine to 1/2, pick up Advanced Depot and EVERY shot gets +200% Lucky Shot Chance.

[slow wraith]

im playing on R7. I think I was trying her without much experience on what to build.

ig I also need to play more carefully. I like just running in and blastin things with Ao Bai, Turtle, or Nona

[fringe crystal]

you need last shot to even use the blessing

which is stupid imo

but its HELLa strong

[junior wave]

seems like you need last shot, persitence, or just spam primary

but spamming primary sucks

also after a certain point u cant generate normal scrolls for attack speed

[fringe crystal]

Critx share arc light is also strong

[slow wraith]

looks like someone is carrying

[fringe crystal]

Its strong

[junior wave]

looks fun but the entire build relying on one ascension feels bad

[fringe crystal]

Theres lots of synergies

Im throwing my primary down for bet it all and thread to get damage from the extra astro aspects

[quartz narwhal]

I orignally play gunfire on console got any tips for the dlc characters because some of them are complicated like the owl

[boreal orbit]

heyyo

anyway to report bugs? just found a small text overflow i figured i would share

[junior wave]

[quartz narwhal]

how does this game always make me feel so powerful yet so weak at the same time

[boreal orbit]

glass cannon always

[upbeat drift]

Always a fun one with bunny

you can focus on crit and lucky shot over actual raw damage

[fallen escarp]

Because the best way to win is to kill everything instantly and hope you don't get one-shot.

So player decisions follow that.

[junior wave]

trying to do a pistol nona build atm

rng is hot garbage tho

[upbeat drift]

Always isn when you want something

[junior wave]

part of it is just that ur straight up at a disadvantage

cuz therse only like 5 weapon damage ascensions

[fringe crystal]

If I'm doing a build that doesn't take much ascensions to work, I just pick more ascension fusions

[junior wave]

only got 1 defensive one everything else kinda poopy sadly

[fringe crystal]

Only need
Eagle eye
Battle pace
Modified magazine
Lucky break if you want

Then you can also take
Elemental rage
Total eradication
Hail of bullets if you have advanced depo

[junior wave]

im being carried by my 240 clip size first strike with hawkeye

[fringe crystal]

Yea well magshare aura venom will always be strong

First strike helps tons

[junior wave]

gaming

[fallen escarp]

Enhanced Deadly Curse. 😔

[slow wraith]

Whats the highest HP yall have seen ? My personal best rn is 850

[quartz narwhal]

is the dog actually good

[fallen escarp]

Depends on the context.

High difficulties, no.
Low difficulties or high difficulties with his hero blessings, yes.

[quartz narwhal]

I just realized your pfp its from ebf5 never played it just know about it

atleast I think thats what its called

[slow wraith]

Omg, the Buzz Wheel is such a good early game weapon

just found this out

[queen citrus]

I don’t like it

I want a shrieker. I’ll take it from the first chest to polar monarch

Shrieker is the best weapon as far as i am concerned

[junior wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687195223666851868/1113812459531292762/image.png

technically you can get as much as u feel like farming with vetern tho

[thorny solar]

I gave concealed ammo another try

[carmine scarab]

how do i find lobbies bro it takes me 10 minutes

[solid bone]

Better to look for games in this server instead of through matchmaking

[glad iris]

Honestly you'll find games easier in reincarnation difficulty.

[fringe crystal]

i gave him my brick and he accidentally closed his game

theres no reconnect button smh

[fallen escarp]

He got brick-rolled.

[junior wave]

sure sure it was totally an accident

[glad iris]

Maybe his pc got bricked.

[carmine scarab]

has anyone made a character tier list

[carmine scarab]

I always play reincarnation 8 🤷‍♂️

[glad iris]

What region?

[stone osprey]

Thinking of getting this game on steam.. do you match with other ppl fast? or do ppl mainly do it through discord

[fringe crystal]

discord

[stone osprey]

ah shucks okay i was looking for something to matchmake fast..

[cobalt dock]

Take it all with Inheritor is wild

lol

https://i.imgur.com/ppmJXvt.png

[slow wraith]

Oh my god, one shotting Itcahy Offspring is so easy with enchanced penetration bullet. Had a Arc Light with a charge ready and sent all 5 daggers down his mouth.

I find it weird that the daggers apply Nona's "On reload" ascensions and talent but doesnt work for the Enchanced Tactical Reload scroll

[rain vale]

Well the snapping turtle is from the US and yet it's playable

[slow wraith]

Well, aktually 🤓 ... Their habitats include the US and areas around The Isthmus of Panama

[mild geyser]

so there is no mode where you go through the worlds and then go back to world 1 with your items right

i thought that was what reincarnation was

[proud shale]

Nope, no looping

[mild geyser]

dang well do you guys prefer to build the shooting or the melee version of the mech with nona

[proud shale]

Melee

They both essentially play out the same, where you just spam redeploy for top dps, but i like melee’s taunt

[mild geyser]

valid i barely reached reincarnation and got it through the fire mode so i didnt know if it was the best

[proud shale]

@fallen escarp take a shot

[nimble flint]

Sweet heart

without drinking we wouldnt manage this

Our livers scream at us

Yet we press on

[queen citrus]

the only thing i drink is the tears of the white shark

[verbal spruce]

Personally I'm more of a fan of the ranged mode because missile salvo hits more enemies than Shockwave. The tant on strike mode redeploy is nice, but ultimately taunting doesn't matter if everything is dead

[mild geyser]

Yeah I did a couple runs with Melee but the shooting one feels better

[verbal spruce]

Also has better ascenscion support, I feel. The attack speed in ranged mode is pretty nuts even if you ignore redeploy spam with missile salvo

[mild geyser]

Just to make sure any scroll or ascension that increases skill dmg increases the mechs damage right ?

[proud shale]

Yes

[slow wraith]

Melee vs Ranged Iron Wing just depends on build honestly

[verbal spruce]

Does Skilled Trick (luckshot cahnce on weapon skill) work with Demon Lore if you crit?

[slow wraith]

Does Demonlores skill have a red muzzle flash next to it ?

Or some red symbol

[verbal spruce]

Nah, it doesn't. I take it that means no

[glad iris]

demonlore doesn't have a weapon skill.

[verbal spruce]

Thank you

[slow wraith]

But yeah, if I have the Blessing that makes it so that enemies Iron Bird attacks are marked for 3x crit and +150% weapon dmg I like to spam the drop into a crowd and crit them all

Turret mode tends to only hit one enemy therefore the marks arent as abundant to use

If you get the Fire Coverage Blessing then turret mode is crazy. +40% missile dmg for 5s for every missile launched by Iron Bird. I havent tried it with Shoulder Cannons but if that skill counts towards refilling Nonas own rockets with Force Recovery then I dont see why it wouldnt work with Fire Coverage. That would make it so the last missile in the barrage does +640% dmg at max rank.

[rotund plaza]

I overheard something interesting

[slow wraith]

I never seen that, where on the Final Stage is that

[cobalt dock]

kill boss without poping the jars

iirc

[slow wraith]

ohhh

[quartz narwhal]

is the ship thing still the final boss

[keen void]

no

not for like a year or so

[slow wraith]

Do "Normal hits count as crit" % chances stack additively or multiplicitively\

[cobalt dock]

quite sure they are different instanses

so multi in that sense

[slow wraith]

alr

[junior wave]

they cant be multi

if they were multi you would have 0% crit chacne then

[slow wraith]

Theres things in games where it works like that

[junior wave]

if you have 0% base chance to crit it on a normal hit and mutiply it by 1000000000x

its still 0%

they would have to stack additively or they wouldnt work

[slow wraith]

Oh shi, ur right. I was gonna say smth about league having a system like I said with its Tenacity stat but it just has some weird.... weird formula to it "(1 - ((1 - A1)(1 - A2)(1 - ...))) + (1 - ((1 - B1)(1 - B2)(1 - ...))) + (1 - ((1 - C1)(1 - C2)(1 - ...)))" where things stack in a intresting way.

[junior wave]

some games do have wonky stacky which leads to broken stuff

[slow wraith]

Well, ig its possible for all normal hits to be crit hits with the right build, I think... imma go see

[cobalt dock]

Deadly counter

[slow wraith]

Well.... BESIDES that lol

[cobalt dock]

Counter violence on Tiger with a sniper is 75%

50% then 50%

aprox 75%

[slow wraith]

You can get Counter Violence, Nona's Eagle Eye ascension

[cobalt dock]

yupp

[junior wave]

would mean the formula for it is then wonky

[cobalt dock]

its just normal probability

[junior wave]

it would mean it takes one buff of highest priority as additive

and the rest are multiplicative

[slow wraith]

If thats the case, the way to stack the most is with the Hang-Time Trick 33% crit chance with swords, Nona's 50% if its prestacked with pistols, Counter Violence 50% and Enchanced Casual Gunmanship for another 20%

[cobalt dock]

E Casual is 20%

but ye

[slow wraith]

mistyped 0.0

[cobalt dock]

counter violence is enough to stop aiming

so is sniper on tiger

[queen citrus]

shrieker

[slow wraith]

still gotta land the headshot 😭

[junior wave]

hardly knower

[slow wraith]

What in the heck, someone got a 68.4x Brick ?!?!

[cobalt dock]

👉👈

Bet it All moment

[queen citrus]

the dark faced bandits are so annoying on gradual improvement runs. so are the lizards sometimes. their crit spot is like right on their nose

[thorny solar]

How does bet it all help brick get crazy crit?

[cobalt dock]

it gives crit

its just not noted

[thorny solar]

I see

[cobalt dock]

got a Cload Weaver to 70.3x later

better as you spam pimary at max

[slow wraith]

Ok, does airbag actually work or is it still bugged. I havent picked it up ever since the 1 time I used it and died instantly.

[junior wave]

arbag doesnt prevent 1 shots unless its the enchanced if i recall

oh no it does

if u take a mutlihit then it'll still kill

[slow wraith]

eW

The ought to buff the damage negation to like 1 second at least

[cobalt dock]

it heals you to full when shield breaks

and blocks a shot

[slow wraith]

hmmm

[glad iris]

It's pretty busted with enhanced backup shield.

[balmy plover]

is it just me, or is playing turtle just beating the shit out of your keyboard?

[unreal horizon]

Which is better, combustion on aura of venom or just fire type wild hunt with unlimited mag Blossom Tao

I assume wild hunt has more procs but I don't know the dps numbers of corrosion 75% DPS + combustion vs fire 150% wild hunt with basically no combustion

Aura of venom can crit and have combustion vs wild hunt having more hits per second for blossom and higher base

I can't tell

[analog comet]

crying rn

got stuck ehre

cant progress

[topaz hollow]

~< hi there

[analog comet]

my friend went in teh portal

to teleport me with him

and immediately got a game over screen

is this a bug or something ?

[upbeat drift]

1.5k

[red glacier]

could you elaborate on what happened?

[balmy plover]

he is the final boss

[analog comet]

so i was waiting for my friend to stack his Q stacks with the green bird killing lantern spirits
And i kept jumping around on boxes and i jumped on top of those and jumped towards the wall (Which shouldnt be possible cuz thats the levle bounds)
And i fell down there and got perma stuck
Waited for 20 minutes or so for my friend to get 3000 stacks with his Q for the level frame achievemetn
And told him to just go thro and beat the level (This is very close to the start)
he goes thro the portal and instead of giving me notification that i have 30 second to ready up it just immediately gave me th game overscreen while his game kept on going and he went to the next stage.

even the lanterns cant explode and kill me

cuz they cant get to me they just get stuck there lol

[red glacier]

weird

make a post in #1060159100006178816

you might need to send a log file if they ask for one

[upbeat drift]

Indeed

[river berry]

is lei luos 15m crit bonus broken? ive landed like 20 kills and the bonus is 0 rn

[fallen escarp]

Did you kill them with a crit?

[river berry]

and i KNOW im killing with crits becaue im getting stars from my brick

[obsidian sun]

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE IN MY TRANSCENDANT ARSENAL!!!

[fringe crystal]

You have like 9 whole slots

[obsidian sun]

that's too few TwT

I like collecting

Still waiting for a godroll brick

or 2 rather, cuz I want to be able to dual wiedl them

[fringe crystal]

Lol

[obsidian sun]

but I gotta say, Transcendant Arsenal made me really start enjoying Monkey

[fringe crystal]

Arsenal is really fun

I get to find cool weapons to use for geminis

[river berry]

if only you could keep the +45 you get on your weapons

[fringe crystal]

It's useful to keep good 2ndary weapons

Or for builds that require a gun for its inscriptions and enhancements but not levels

[obsidian sun]

Also, this OTP

such inscripted

[river berry]

so i finally managed to get stacks, but ONLY with a foundry in back to origin

[obsidian sun]

HElp! Which one should I keep in the arsenal?

[fringe crystal]

right for seconadry weapon gemini

left for main

[obsidian sun]

I have a double projectile for main

though that sweet lucky shot is tempting

thanks for your input

[wise oasis]

a tanuki is a different animal from a red panda

[vapid crag]

hiya, does anyone know any consistent builds and strategies for tao on reincarnation 8? i've been struggling a lot in the early game

[upbeat drift]

First strike works well I find

Since high mags aren't too difficult to find and damage isn't an issue

You can then build for lucky shot

(200 round mag = 1000% damage)

[vapid crag]

o ty, will try that

[upbeat drift]

Np

[river berry]

so the turtles shield is supposed to block ALL attacks from the front, correct?

[wise oasis]

https://youtu.be/fNtMEfb4l7M

She more or less has not changed substantially, should still be relevant in a general sense

[fallen escarp]

Doesn't count for AoE effects you're not looking at the center of, and homing fireballs can smack your side, but yes.

[river berry]

i was fighting gluttony, and died 23 times because only 9/10 of his lasers were blocked without changing anything about it

then half his hands went through the stones that block them

[fallen escarp]

The lasers hit the ground in an AoE, which you probably weren't looking at the center of.

[river berry]

so i have to look exactly at every one of those lasers?

[fallen escarp]

At the center of its impact point, yes.

[river berry]

so why didnt it block the hands then?

my shield blocked 2/3 each time, and the stones blocked like 1/3

[fallen escarp]

Probably a similar thing, but it's harder to tell.

If they don't hit you, they might land behind you.

[river berry]

if nobody moved when theyre behind the rocks, and the rocks cant move, how do the glowing hands fly thorugh it sometimes?

[fallen escarp]

Inaccuracy by default? I dunno.

[river berry]

i suffer on gluttony when trying to have fun because of jank

[rain vale]

I know but you said "it's Japanese" as if it was a reason Nona couldn't be one

[cobalt dock]

if you down the second time in solo and Alt+F4 do you get to continue?

[glad iris]

Last I tried, nope.

That was like before 1.0 though I think.

[cobalt dock]

well... nona can

[fallen escarp]

That's probably because the run isn't over until you run out of soul revives AND your bleed out timer hits 0.

[noble cove]

hey im new in gunfire i have some questions first one how does that owl work i dont get it he dont makes much damaga when i play him

[cobalt dock]

for others the 2nd bleedout is ignored as you can't be rezed

[merry ferry]

hey guys is it me or the nameplates of the enemies are way to down and big that they are covering their heads. Quite annoying

[fallen escarp]

Exactly.

The run is instantly over as the bleed out timer doesn't matter.

[cobalt dock]

nona is easier then i thought then lol

if mech downs while you are you can quit

[stone osprey]

Thinking of getting this game.. how is online matchmaking for teammates? Im not rlly good at coordinating thru discord and would just like to find lobbies.

Thinking of either getting this game or that mining pve one

[fallen escarp]

You can try reading some of the stuff on the wiki. It should be more-or-less what you need.

[noble cove]

hm i try thanks

[merry ferry]

Weren't the nameplates above the HP bar of enemies? They are now positioned below and they cover the head. It's quite challenging to land critical hits and it's annoying, unless when fighting melee.

[rain vale]

Last I tried it worked

You gotta be really fast though

But I only did that when I was testing builds, maybe it's changed since then

[fallen escarp]

Dunno what you're talking about. Was from a recent run and you can see their head just fine.

[stone osprey]

.

[fallen escarp]

It's subpar at best. People recommend using the Discord here.

Though depending on how much you prefer challenge, you might not want to play with others in the first place.

The game gets significantly easier with others.

[merry ferry]

well. How about this nameplates?

I don't remember this being like that I feel like the nameplates were above the hp bar when I first played months ago

[fallen escarp]

Hmm... appears to be a distance thing. My guess is the position above their head is based on where the health bar is, not where the name tag is.

Hmm... let me check some older screenshots...

[merry ferry]

I got one from reddit a guy posted the same issue https://pixeldie.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/image.png?w=1024

that ss is from EA

this is the reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13kck7x/has_the_enemy_names_always_been_so_god_damned_huge/

[fallen escarp]

Ah, that all explains it.

My guess is because of all the status effects that you can now give enemies, the devs probably found it better to move the name tag below, since the statuses appeared above.

But they forgot to change the anchor point where it appears over their heads from the health bar to the name.

[merry ferry]

mmm make sense yeah. Hope this get to the devs and they can fix it I love long range fights in this game. Very satisfying landing those crits from afar.

[fallen escarp]

There's also the fact that this happens too.

Same battle, but one name drops lower than the other, as if it expects there to be 3 health bars.

If you submit an issue post with all this information, hopefully it can speed up their progress in fixing it.

[merry ferry]

Yes of course, how can I send the report to them? is there a specific channel in the discord? or throught the game or email?

[fallen escarp]

#1060159100006178816

You could probably also use the in-game feedback system, though not entirely sure how that one works or if you can fit all the necessary information.

[rain vale]

Anybody feeling like speed boosts feel weird ? I don't know what it is but unstopable momentum doesn't "feel as fast" as it used to, same thing for galloping speed 🤔

I sometimes feel as if I'm slowed down before the speed boost comes in

[merry ferry]

Report posted. I hope it catches their attention and leads to the necessary adjustments being made.

[glad iris]

Just checked and yeah you have to be fast or no continue.

[warm iron]

The astrohouse autofill when casting primary uses the same probabilities as his secondary right? And updates when changing stages due to the talent, right?

Swear, Owl is a fukken book. My smoothbrain is trying its best to assemble both of my 4 brain cells to remember this.

[warm iron]

I had this happen without any speed boosts. I was playing Panda on second stage vault. Jump vault, not the one with poison balls and I noticed I slowed down just before dashing.

[slow wraith]

WAIT, what in the WORLD

Deafening Mortars explosions each count as 1 chance for a lucky shot ?

That means any "On lucky shot" effects are insane

At least thats what I think im seeing. Its a mix of orange and purple numbers every shot.

[glad iris]

Each explosion is its own projectile.

Like shotguns.

[slow wraith]

Gah dang. So that is how it works.

So Enchanced Bullet Light giving ammo on every lucky shot has me with infinite ammo

[fallen escarp]

Actually, it's even worse.

Each explosion is its own hit for every enemy in its range.

So if you've got 2 enemies within range of all the explosions, you get 2 hits, per explosion.

[fringe crystal]

Primary cast autofill astroaspects should be based on the draw probability in the bottom right when you go to your occult scrolls tab in tab

Your cards drawn bonuses are also based on the same probability and setting you choose to put it on

[warm iron]

Ah, thanks.

[fringe crystal]

Idk what the second part of the question was, update when changing stages?

[fallen escarp]

The Star Rearrangement talent, while I haven't confirmed it yet, just slightly improves the base Astroaspect chances per stage.

[fringe crystal]

Ah that

[fallen escarp]

So using random numbers, stage 1 would get like 50% normal, 40% rare, 8% legendary, 2% wild.

Then stage 2 would get 45% normal, 41% rare, 10% legendary, 4% wild.

And so on.

[fringe crystal]

Is it a linear increase or exponential increase based on your scrolls hmm

[fallen escarp]

Well it says "initial chance", so I'd assume it doesn't care about scrolls.

[fringe crystal]

True that

I haven't noticed my chances getting insanely high out of nowhere

It's slow and gradual

[slow wraith]

Out here with 15% hp regen per second, 800 Hp, and Sanguine Relic on Ao Bai

[raw edge]

Do Hail of Bullet of bird work with sword?

[slow wraith]

Id have to assume so

swords DO have magazines

the wiki page on the skill has stuff on it

[raw edge]

I don’t see it say anything relate to swords

It mentioned about interaction with other weapons though

[slow wraith]

Oh, well the firetower is 100% going to work and im 99% sure the others will too

(the firetower will still eat ammo)

[raw edge]

Ah I miss this

So Flowing Light will always have the bonus right

[glad iris]

No

I don't think so.

[raw edge]

Okay I see. It will be use 3 times

And I will have to reload manually for Flowing Light

[slow wraith]

I mean... how would the skills benefit but not the swings

[raw edge]

Fire Tower will reload automatically so it will always get the bonus

[slow wraith]

its ought to work with the swings until the bonus stops giving ammo for free

then you reload

[raw edge]

I see

Could you have me how to build the bird?

I’m thinking about close combat with weapon mainly

[slow wraith]

Only played bird once and won once

its been so long, stealth is typin tho

[glad iris]

The skill benefits more because the skill is multi-hit and each hit counts as "one shot."

This is also why tiger's primary is strong with it.

[raw edge]

I see

so it still works with Flowing Light, just need to use skill more than the normal attack

I plan to use wild hunt + something

but not sure what something is and which gemini should I care about

And I wonder will shotgun with when fighting the 3rd boss as it far away

[glad iris]

Pretty much, even though flowing light's normal attack consumes no ammo, each swing still counts as a "shot."

And Hail of Bullets is based off of shots.

[raw edge]

and may I ask if I have to manually collect money and essence

or it will collect automatically even if I don't

[fringe crystal]

I think you gotta collect it, only weapons and scrolls will auto sell

[slow wraith]

Ive been manually selling them the whole time ?!?!

[fringe crystal]

Poor baby

[slow wraith]

for 2 years ive been doing this !

[fringe crystal]

[glad iris]

Well, tbf it's been added recently.

[fringe crystal]

Anyone know where we can get the icons for owl and Nona's ascensions but with levels for the ascensions

Example

[red glacier]

people usually just take screenshots

[wise oasis]

the icons are on the wiki, would probably have to use PS to edit in the pips

[fringe crystal]

Yea I was thinking of just editing in the diamonds

[main canyon]

why wouldnt you just put the highest one, like if you wanted them to only get to 2 in an ascension only put number 2

doesnt that make more sense

less clutter

[fringe crystal]

Sometimes leveling things up in order is bad

[river smelt]

anyone know why star ring doesnt work with spores? or well it does but it's shit, i thought the rate of fire was high considering how quick u can use weap skill

[fringe crystal]

Sometimes it’s better to have one level of this, then take a level of something else

[main canyon]

wdym

[fringe crystal]

Look in the blossom enthusiast build

[main canyon]

i see

well in that case, i guess use pips

[fringe crystal]

I get what you’re saying

[main canyon]

but if its just get the same one up to 3 wouldnt it be less clutter to just put 3

[fringe crystal]

Yea

[junior wave]

any reason why you dont include any other spirit blessings

[fringe crystal]

I agree

[main canyon]

hm

pog

[fringe crystal]

It’s not my tier list, an outdated one

[wise oasis]

slight made it with certain reasons in mind, plus some blessings were not out at the time. He has mentioned blessings like Jackpot and Copycat being good.

Painkiller is also OP. Rest of them you'll get an idea whether or not it is good.

[raw edge]

we just finish the normal mode, and don't see the 4th map

I wonder where it will appear

[queen citrus]

next run when you beat the ship

[raw edge]

In elite mode

[queen citrus]

yes

[raw edge]

or even normal also appear?

[queen citrus]

any mode

[raw edge]

thanks

[queen citrus]

that you have unlocked that is

[peak linden]

oh yeah i think its what the elite to fight the polar bear

[lunar bridge]

i mean, you might as well manually sell them since item timeout is a thing.
it was introduced alongside Spiritual Assault (and it's needed otherwise there's gonna be guns on the ground everywhere), but for some reason it applies to the main run too? i have weapon(s) disappearing when staying in a level for a while.

[gilded obsidian]

anybody have a build for zing zhe in spirtual assault

[unreal horizon]

I suggest primary cooldown reduction with shrieker or tiger cannon primary

And get the launcher has +3m aoe jade

Don't use the exclusive jades for monkey because the value is really low

Whether you want the 2x2 refresh 20% chance on kill or the 1x3 -3 second cooldown on reload or both is your choice

I prefer the first because I typically get to a point of not reloading

Then you probably only need one of the 0.5s cooldown on kill and if you're lucky, ancient timer

If you aren't lucky you can reroll for the -80% CD blessing

And the Gemini you aim for depends on the launcher: shrieker wants critx Gemini and tiger cannon wants magazine share

[glad iris]

You'd have to be there for a very long time.

[unreal horizon]

Shrieker needs ascensions to get the crit on primary attacks so keep that in mind, since it doesn't come with passive sniper bonus

Or fire enthusiast deadly counter, which is why I usually run Fire Conversion and pray for deadly counter

You could not take the free shots ascensions and run -50% reload tiger cannon instead

Magazine Gemini needs like 160 magazine Gemini to be good, tiger cannon can be combined with anything for the 50% reload gemini

Choosing sniper over launcher in spiritual Assault is 100% a war crime

And essence chain is hot garbage, just gonna say it

No matter how you dress it up, I question the best case scenario essence chain build versus picking up an upgraded mid tier weapon with garbage inscriptions

Somehow essence chain in spiritual Assault is worse than in reincarnation where it is one of the worst builds in the game

[glad iris]

?

Essence chain in SA is busted.

[unreal horizon]

The DPS of essence chain is trash tier with all ascensions maxed versus an average weapon

[glad iris]

I wouldn't really call a consistent 10m dmg trash.

[unreal horizon]

Consistent how?

With dual edge, deadly curse, glass cannon, and everything else with perfect ascensions you hit 10 mil?

[glad iris]

You don't need dual edge

[unreal horizon]

Or do you mean after spamming it on the same target to get the slow +30% per hit bonus

[glad iris]

just glass canon and another "blessing" that increases skill dmg.

then take essence chain ascensions that increases its dmg.

gg

[unreal horizon]

I don't see how that leads to 10 million consistent

[glad iris]

well

[unreal horizon]

Hitting damage cap with soul strike? Yeah, that's easy

[glad iris]

I've played it before a few times and each time I hit the cap so.....

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven topaz]

Just hit level 100, does it just go up infinity until I finish my skill tree?

[glad iris]

188 is the max

[proven topaz]

Ok cool! Thanks

[unreal horizon]

Yeah I don't see how you get to outside the 100k range without specific scrolls

That's assuming you have level 50*6% skill damage, +300% skill damage from Reincarnated triple stack, the base damage essence chain blessing and glass cannon

With all that it's around 100k, so you'd need the +60% per enemy under essence chain level 3 to even approach cap

Caps at 8 enemies, maximum of 7^1.6, 20% chance to double, so even with god ascensions

And a crit

That's like 5 million damage

Without the 20% that's 2.5 million

And that's one target

So to hit 5 targets you'd do a fraction of that since it's logarithmic

1 target is 26x damage, 5 targets is 4x damage

...which is why I think if you have enough skill damage and multipliers to get 10 million on essence chain, why wouldn't you just use a launcher and aoe multi hit nuke the entire screen

[glad iris]

Things that buff essence chain directly won't affect launchers.

[unreal horizon]

Those things that buff essence chain are blessings and ascensions you choose

[glad iris]

bruh

[unreal horizon]

Even base soul strike with no ascensions can multihit more targets with a launcher than essence chain maxed out

[lunar bridge]

imagine +essence chain base damage ascension working on launchers. kek

[unreal horizon]

More hits, more damage, more enemy targets

[glad iris]

More hits?

Essence chain one shots.

[unreal horizon]

So does soul strike

And it doesn't require perfect ascension RNG with 13 ascensions you get over spiritual assault

[glad iris]

You don't need perfect ascension rng.

[unreal horizon]

I literally just explained why without perfect ascension RNG you can't approach 10 million on chain.

[glad iris]

And I've said each time I played that build I hit the cap so...

[unreal horizon]

Then go do a run and prove it real quick since spiritual assault is 30 minutes

[glad iris]

So just go it for yourself.

The build isn't trash.

[unreal horizon]

I mean, I have and that's why I'm saying my experience and the numbers don't back that up

You say you can hit 10 million essence chain every game and you're not using the "on death 3x3 true damage" or wombo combo, then yeah, I'd like to see that

[glad iris]

I don't even remember what I used.

It was a long time ago.

I just played a few rounds with monkey after a bunch of people started using that build out of the blue.

Then I stopped because I didn't like it.

Running around pressing q and watching everything die.

[unreal horizon]

Reload speed on a Wheel Saw kinda sucks right? The animation to melee with the saw is the same duration regardless of reload speed?

Feels like a dead option for 1 magazine 50% reload speed

[velvet surge]

so I've gone through 20 goblets and I still haven't gotten heat core Am I just really unlucky or does it have to do with something code wise

[unreal horizon]

It's just RNG

sometimes I'll go a specific build that needs like 3 different ascensions and get none of them and clear the run, just happens

The less your build depends on ascensions the better IMO

Which is probably why some of my favorite characters and the sub-set builds I usually run aren't very ascension dependent

[lunar bridge]

it's a rougelite. rng is to be expected. :v

[unreal horizon]

Tiger's got some very ascension dependent builds but even if you whiff all his ascensions you can fallback to weapon damage at least

Which BTW I think Tiger is probably the strongest character in Spiritual Assault by far

but it's so broken that it's kinda not fun to play

[wise oasis]

How

[fallen escarp]

Ah yes, Tiger, the hero designed to stay far away from enemies and snipe single powerful enemies, with even his skill damage working on few enemies...

...Is who you consider the strongest in a gamemode where you are constantly surrounded by a large amount of weak enemies.

[wise oasis]

ive tried the lightweight thunderbolt dash build and that seemed weak compared to other methods

[unreal horizon]

because he was designed one way does not mean he is optimally played that way

his best build is fatal current + thunderbolt acensions with a shrieker to one shot the whole map

[fallen escarp]

Everything he does is designed that way. Literally the only AoE to hit every enemy he has is the Patient Hunter spiritual ascension, and any launcher he decided to pick up.

[unreal horizon]

https://i.imgur.com/IvkBD0z.png this is what makes him broken as fuck

so yes, patient hunter

and every time his magical supply triggers from one shotting, you trigger thunderbolts

so it weakens the trash mobs

[fallen escarp]

And even that still has smaller AoE than other heroes.

[unreal horizon]

including the AOE radius of the thunderbolts from every proc?

[fallen escarp]

Dog with Deafening Mortar can get up to 14m. Birb with Cleave can get up to 19m, Fox hits everything in a very long line.

[unreal horizon]

because the thunderbolts aren't a small percentage

[fallen escarp]

Monke can do what thunderbolts can do, but repeatedly with his Essence Chain.

[unreal horizon]

also keep in mind that the best "talent" for lei luo to start with for this build is -90% damage taken during fatal current and 2 seconds afterwards

which is permanent -90% damage when your build is online

????????

you compared lei luo to essence chain?

ESSENCE CHAIN

have you even tried this build

[fallen escarp]

Thunderbolts: Hits up to X enemies in a certain range.
Essence Chain: Hits up to X enemies in a certain range.

So yes, I compare.

[unreal horizon]

essence chain is limited by the ability to spam secondary cooldown

thunderbolt is limited by your ability to rate of fire

[fallen escarp]

That's not a problem with a spiritual link, let me check...

[unreal horizon]

"spam secondary cooldown" is not "secondary amount"

it's the physical animation

you are hard limited in the speed you can use it

[fallen escarp]

Fatal Current has a physical animation as well.

[unreal horizon]

yeah, you proc it once then reset it every 30 seconds

[fallen escarp]

And you have to wait for your shot to hit an enemy for it to end.

[unreal horizon]

you have -90% damage taken, you can just run into enemies and aim at the ground

[fallen escarp]

Which considering your desired weapon is Shrieker, has a charge time.

[unreal horizon]

and again, thunderbolt isn't even the primary damage of the build, but it's a large portion

my thunderbolts are usually hitting in the 50k range per bolt

[fallen escarp]

Doesn't that make it's RNG even worse than just a skill or weapon build?

Not only do you need the thunderbolt ascensions, but you also need a good weapon.

[unreal horizon]

? good weapon? you literally just need -a- shrieker

I'm not that picky about my shrieker

[fallen escarp]

And you seem to favor builds that don't depend on ascensions, so that's half your build gone.

[unreal horizon]

??? the only majorly required part of the build is magical supply

outside of magical supply, everything else is a bonus

with enough heart of battle and the 20% primary refresh on kill, you can live without magical supply but it definitely hurts the build not to have it

[queen citrus]

Shrieker vs gluttony is a slog. You need a boss weapon

[unreal horizon]

and comparing dog's mortar AOE with level 3 radius maxed out maxed out grenades vs Patient Hunter? I prefer patient hunter

[fallen escarp]

Level 1 radius with any mortar is 8m. In 3 locations.

Patient hunter is 10m in 1 location.

[unreal horizon]

They're both strong, I think Patient Hunter is stronger.

Mortar is better against the boss though.

[wise oasis]

link the jades

i will try it

[unreal horizon]

I just did a run, I'll link everything

also the final boss took 10 seconds so it wasn't that bad

and yes I think it's busted as fuck, I think patient hunter is multi hitting because of the launcher aoe

https://i.imgur.com/lZMNsfZ.jpeg

I don't even need the prepaid with the -90% damage taken to be honest

but I take it anyways since it's a staple in my other builds

also since I decided to use reload I could use Chrono Magazine

usually I go critx but a good strike wing didn't drop so I just went reload

to be honest... couldn't tell a difference

I'd probably just stick with reload

ideally you'd want +projectile launcher

or +aoe radius

but the one I got is mid and it still slayed everything

like... I literally can't die with that build without trying

I had reincarnation but that means I had to force myself to die

purposefully not keep fatal current up

annnnd then I never even got close to dying after

compared to the poisonous ghost build altana endorses, this build is infinitely faster at killing and infinitely safer

my bolts were hitting for about 80k a pop and they rain twice on every shot

[fallen escarp]

I don't endorse it, you're thinking of someone else.

I just know it's powerful enough to not be a waste of time in comparison.

[unreal horizon]

does mortar fire less shots with the 50% reload gemini

because I'm comparing dog next

[fallen escarp]

No, why would it?

[unreal horizon]

since it consumes 3 ammo per primary click

[fallen escarp]

All at once.

Can't reload while firing anyway.

[wise oasis]

whats the ghost build

[glad iris]

Ghost build is mainly just a way to hit with over 100m.

[unreal horizon]

I just got a god ao bai build, better rng than my lei luo build, and I can still definitively say I prefer patient hunter by far

ao bai's movespeed is abysmal

his aoe radius requires him to get close while patient hunter can shoot across the map while also moving significantly faster

the mortar one shots all the elites in comparison to -sometimes- not one shotting with patient hunter

but patient hunter cleared normal mobs significantly faster

ao bai's survivability is rng compare to lei luo who literally starts with his fatal current -90% damage taken

ao bai requires more ascensions to be functional

again, I don't think it's close. ao bai shreds elites and the final boss but loses on normal mob dps quite hard

[lofty bay]

the cat in question:

[unreal horizon]

yeah... at least cat usually isn't using a -10% movespeed weapon

[fallen escarp]

his aoe radius requires him to get close while patient hunter can shoot across the map

I guess you never heard of Deafening Mortar's weapon skill, huh?

[unreal horizon]

that weapon skill doesn't do a fraction of the dps as left click and has a pretty annoyingly long charge time

I used that weapon skill plenty

it's obviously inferior even with unlimited mag

[fallen escarp]

The weapon skill has 150-250% of the damage of each of those small explosions, and doubles it on direct hits.

[unreal horizon]

yeah, that doesn't counter the "it has a charge time" and "ao bai move slow" and "the radius isn't as wide as patient hunter even with maxed radius ascension"

[fallen escarp]

And I'm fairly certain you can also shoot even further away than Shrieker can, as I've cleared entire rooms by standing at the back of a room with it.

[lofty bay]

mortars weapon skill is nuts

[queen citrus]

weapon skill is pretty good on the deafening mortart. cant believe you said it is worse than right click

[fallen escarp]

And you get 3 shots.

[queen citrus]

i mean left click

[unreal horizon]

if you one shot then it's 2 wasted shots in animation

[fallen escarp]

If you're carpet bombing the same area with all 3 shells, what are you even doing?

[unreal horizon]

then you're just firing slower

[fallen escarp]

You can bomb 3 areas at once.

[unreal horizon]

yeah, you can flick, but do you?

[queen citrus]

you sweep the gun like rambo

[unreal horizon]

I did flick, but I'm not going to claim to be an aim bot

[fallen escarp]

You aim in the general direction of 3 groups of enemies, and they all disappear.

[unreal horizon]

you make split second decisions on where to place the extra shells and that makes them suboptimal

and this on top of just being overall worse than patient hunter at said range

[fallen escarp]

Uh, isn't split-second decisions for how to kill even more enemies a good thing?

The alternative is Patient Hunter, which you're taking time deciding on your next target.

[lofty bay]

but does it make boom boom boom noises

[unreal horizon]

? you do realize magical supply means patient hunter still gains duration right?

[lofty bay]

I love the boom boom boom noises

[unreal horizon]

you don't even need to think with patient hunter

[lofty bay]

they make me happy

[unreal horizon]

you just aim near a weak mob and they die

[lofty bay]

you think while using mortar?!

[fallen escarp]

You do realize Shrieker charges up 3 times to do the same clearing as Deafening Mortar's 1 charge, right?

[unreal horizon]

just admit you don't use patient hunter

[lofty bay]

never have, never will

[unreal horizon]

if you used patient hunter with +aoe shrieker you wouldn't even say that "mortar is better in every way"

[queen citrus]

i've used patient hunter with aoe shrieker

[fallen escarp]

There's a reason why a Dog with Deafening Mortar has achieved high-50s in experience level.

[queen citrus]

never used the dog though

[fallen escarp]

It's because he clears absurdly well with it.

[unreal horizon]

yeah, and I got high 50s with patient hunter with a suboptimal build

[queen citrus]

patient hunter is alright i think, but it when you get to the boss it takes forever. and you need ascensions i think to make it work.

[fallen escarp]

53 isn't a high 50.

[queen citrus]

i wish gradual improvement was in spritual assualt. i think that would be better

[fallen escarp]

Heck, I've gotten 53 using Birb and a Deafening Mortar.

[unreal horizon]

nah, hard disagree, I'd rather have patient hunter over gradual improvement

[queen citrus]

having to wait to get more damage is annoying to me

[unreal horizon]

you don't need to wait, you just keep one shotting with magical supply

[queen citrus]

not sure if it does as much damage as gradual improvement shrieker

[unreal horizon]

for aoe damage? nothing is going to be lightning ball on crit bolt from the blue bolt build in reincarnation

[queen citrus]

like i hit damage cap with gradual improvement but dont with patient hunter. maybe it is the other blessings. i will try the build again i guess and see how it does. i just remember not even one shotting some enemies with it

with patient hunter i mean

[unreal horizon]

what weapon are you using

[queen citrus]

shrieker

[unreal horizon]

are you targeting the smaller minions to the side of the tougher ones first to get procs?

[queen citrus]

i mean i will shoot the enemy i need to kill first

whoever that may be

[fallen escarp]

If you have to target the small enemies first to kill the large enemies, that's still not one-shotting.

Small enemies, yes.
Large ones, no.

[unreal horizon]

it doesn't one-shot ELITES but if you activate on a smaller minion then it causes a clusterfuck of aoe damage

but then it does actually one shot elites

it depends on the stage of the game, whether you have a gemini, whether you have magical supply, whether you got bolts

whether you died with reincarnated for 300% skill damage

but once you have your build online, yes it should one shot elites if you headshot

and in many cases even if you just shoot the ground non crit

[queen citrus]

that wasn't my experience with it. i will try again and report back

[unreal horizon]

when you first get patient hunter, don't have a gemini yet, and don't have reincarnated stacks for skill damage

that's when you will have the hardest time

a window

then it improves significantly with gemini and the skill damage

[fallen escarp]

Oh whoops! I forgot the Overloaded Dynamite jade.

11m for Deafening Mortar and 1 level in Explosion Enhancement.

[unreal horizon]

I already used Overloaded dynamite for the dog build and tiger

and I got maxed radius on dog last run

and tiger was still wider aoe, not sure if that's a bug related to using a launcher with patient hunter

but yeah, maxed dog vs base tiger patient hunter and tiger was winning the radius war

whether it should be that way I dont know.

and this is still not accounting for the double thunderbolts hitting all around you while you shoot a distance away doing radius damage

you're hitting two spots at once per proc

WHILE also having significantly more movespeed

WHILE also having a base -90% damage taken versus dog needing ascensions or scrolls

and dog basically requires mortar to function with his build, tiger can function with everything but the grenade launchers

he can even use fire tower or snipers if needed

his weapon choices are far less picky

so on the average and the cieling I prefer tiger

and this isn't to say dog isn't broken, because it is

but yeah, I'd say it's probably... tiger > dog > monkey probably?

but it's more like tiger > dog >>> monkey > nona

[wise oasis]

im back
patient hunter worked, but im not sure if i just got a god roll with the gemini

[unreal horizon]

Why did you use mortar?

It's not the worst choice possible but there is certainly better ones for patient hunter

[wise oasis]

i tried multiple shriekers, the mortar was braindead left click to oneshot elites

[unreal horizon]

What ascensions did you get

[wise oasis]

i was more or less in fatal current all the time

[unreal horizon]

Mildly bad luck since you didn't get fatal current damage

But overall yeah that's pretty standard

[wise oasis]

does patient hunter mean you hit 1000 if you wait, or 1000 because you have extra duration

[unreal horizon]

It's basically a growing damage multiplier based on total duration, including magical supply resets

It's gonna do +100% whether you wait or not minimum

[wise oasis]

how do you build this ghost build

[unreal horizon]

Melee scavenger, melee attack speed, aim for poisonous ghost with fire tower Gemini, use right click to kill a direction of enemies

Usually want glass cannon + combustion damage

[glad iris]

You need the +45% dmg increase inscription as well.

If you want big numbers with the weapon skill.

[unreal horizon]

So get the guaranteed exclusive if you want to increase the odds of that, because a lot of runs you'll end up settling with a fire tower from not getting a good ghost

It's a bit inconsistent imo

[wise oasis]

any character basically?

[glad iris]

Honestly any melee with the 8m ele spread is good enough for SA.

[unreal horizon]

Crown Prince is probably first pick, then Li, then everyone else is about equal

hard to beat pyrodominance 3 and +attack speed

and even energy blade's not bad

honestly Qian Sui might be better than Li for that build

[glad iris]

He is.

He just can't hit as hard with the weapon skill.

[shadow notch]

back from a long break

can someone explain to me the owl

other one is easy to understand but the owl has too many words

[fallen escarp]

This'll probably help.
https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Falling_Star

[shadow notch]

ok i kinda get it a lil better

what is letting me reroll scrolls?

[fallen escarp]

Scroll Divination, first talent.

[shadow notch]

i c

[queen citrus]

was a good run but i struggled against one of the elite arsonists

took forever

[fallen escarp]

And that was with maxed-out Storm Blast.

[queen citrus]

it seemed like long shot was making a big difference but maybe it was something else. i wasnt sure

like when i was farther away it did way more damage

i was also using combustion.

[wise oasis]

damn it was very satisfying to see the wave decimate everything

[unreal horizon]

I decided to put Valiant Assault on the Mortar dog and it worked pretty well

he needs that movespeed buff badly

[queen citrus]

so what is the dog build again with the mortar? i did one run with dog to get the achievement for a win with him but i've never really played him.

i've never done an atomic bomb run either. i watched my friend do it once though. that was kinda funny

[unreal horizon]

dog has a spiritual ascension that triggers grenade damage on hit, 60% chance to trigger per hit x number of grenades held

mortar is basically the fastest firing launcher so it's preferred

the grenade launchers have less radius

and just overall are worse guns

[queen citrus]

i like the frenzied shark if you can get it with the +fire rate and -reload time inscription but idk if that would be good in spiritual assault

[unreal horizon]

nothing shoots as fast as mortar left click probably...

I'm torn on bothering to dual wield mortars or using the endless magazine jade

I feel like there's no point in dual wield mortars

just pick the first thing you can slap reload gemini on so you can kill faster

that has lower base damage than your mortar primary

holding off to get a dual wield mortar just seems like less exp and kills

pop Spray Feast on final boss and he's gonna die after phase change instantly anyways

and if you dual wield mortars then you can't weapon special which is like half the appeal of killing regular mobs

[queen citrus]

i dont really like dual wield which is why i dont play dog

i guess i just need to get used to it

[unreal horizon]

I feel like dual wield without weapon genius is kinda weak unless you're using a demonlore combo, or maybe spore gemini with a wild hunt instead of an argus

with weapon genius though dog's probably... the top weapon dps in the game?

not including pyrodominance raising cap or anything

[queen citrus]

ok dog's build is way stronger

did it 13 minutes faster than the tiger build too

[queen citrus]

That was definitely the easiest spiritual assault run I’ve had. Didn’t get downed once and killed everything in one or two shots from start to finish. Even the elites were melting.

[rotund plaza]

is it me or Unfettered Will appears like in 95% of my runs

[fringe crystal]

yep

i never choose it in search scroll cause i know ill get it somewhere else later

riches privledges on the other hand basically is like finding diamonds

[rotund plaza]

Extravagant Consumption is more common at this point (not counting Interdependent)

[rotund plaza]

new run, still showed up first

[queen citrus]

i've been seeing it most runs as well

[junior wave]

could be a bug?

might still have drop rate of a purple item

[wicked python]

Probably not a true bug but they likely fudged the rates when swapping it’s rarity pool.

Its almost certainly meant to be a fodder legendary anyway so its logical they want it to be common. This is probably more common than their intent tho lol

[glad mist]

Dog build is absolutely stupid

its by far the easiest spiritual assault build as it requires 0 effort what so ever

all you do is shoot

you dont have to do anything else

Also looking back earlier the poisonous ghost build is purely for a highest damage number, that isnt including an argus

[proven topaz]

Only asking here because it's active and y'all are knowledgeable. Any news on the dlcs coming to playstation?

[glad mist]

Not really no, the console versions are headed by another studio, if anything is ever announced it will be in #game-announcements most likely

[winged cove]

What is better for Li

Raging Inferno or Ultimate Gambler?

[wise oasis]

https://youtu.be/TJwhbzYZ5Ck

[winged cove]

Thx

[slow wraith]

I follow no tier list !!! If it sounds cool I use it and it works

[queen citrus]

slight does a good job. you don't have to follow it exactly but it should give you a general idea of what is useful for which build

[unkempt trellis]

im trying to play w and EU friend and it keeps making me host in NA, even when EU friend is hosting

anyone know a fix?

[wise oasis]

Live closer together

[main canyon]

fr!

Funny letters mean something, but I aint reading 💪

[rotund plaza]

why did I do this

[wise oasis]

Double the suck

[rotund plaza]

ya the power of double S U C C

[wise oasis]

you sucked the pole monarch

pause

[main canyon]

mmm

suck

[rotund plaza]

11M highest dmg for sucking

[wise oasis]

11

look like two poles if you know what i mean

and you had double the suck

[rotund plaza]

as if those aren't sus enough

[proud shale]

Monarch’s pole

[lusty pivot]

Is there any guide/so called build that I can read/watch for different heroes? Been playing for 1 week, wanna see how can I improve my heroes to be stronger

[glad mist]

Check the wiki there's a load of builds on there

[queen citrus]

that build really sucks

wait slight put out new gunfire videos a month ago

i was hoping he would do a spiritual assault video

[grizzled escarp]

I'm fairly new to GR and I can't find any matchmaking

Reddit pointed me towards here to find a team, how does the queue work?

[queen citrus]

there is a looking for game channel and you post there i think

then other people will play with you if they are looking for a game as well

[grizzled escarp]

I might be stupid but I can't find the "looking for game" channel or anything related

[queen citrus]

expand general

[grizzled escarp]

what's LFG mean

I think that's the one

[queen citrus]

yeah

[grizzled escarp]

Thanks

[compact pollen]

Question, if Cat throws multiple smoke grenades, does each one tick for damage?

[queen citrus]

Yes

[main canyon]

Local immunity frames?!?!?!?!?

LIF LIF LIF!!

[carmine scarab]

whats the best tiger build

[tame pumice]

downed by mind power i guess

[mortal crest]

hola buenas

alguien quiere jugar

[red glacier]

-lfg

[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[red glacier]

puedes encontrar gente con quien jugar en ese canal

[blazing summit]

So I haven’t played since around the end of January has bird had any major changes I should know about?

[fallen escarp]

Yep.

His Armor Break build got completely gutted.

[blazing summit]

Brooo

[fallen escarp]

It's now exclusive to Reincarnation difficulty, or doing a stupid hybrid build with both weapons and Cleave.

[blazing summit]

Anything good for him change?

Or is it all awful

[fallen escarp]

Some things actually did get buffed, like... umm... Victory Rush, and his talent for recovering armor on weapon hits.

But most of it was changing around ascension effects.

[blazing summit]

My usual bird build is wild hunt with shared mag Gemini so ig I’ll work with victory rush

[fallen escarp]

Like how Gigantic Explosion no longer does cooldown reduction, but instead makes you leap further.

Or Iron Scud got Gigantic Explosion's cooldown reduction, but you lose the movement speed.

Or Death Mark now boosts Cleave damage on kill, but you also lose the movement speed.

Or Defensive Cleave now recovers Leap cooldown per hit, but you no longer get double Armor recovery on kills.

It's a real mixed bag of changes, but for certain Armor Break builds got hit the worst.

[unreal horizon]

Is it just me or is Sting worse than Foundry when you aren't using elemental fusions with it

and Base Glimmering is probably worse than Foundry too

Why does Thunder Storm only have a 20% effect chance yet being on par with a Foundry in DPS

[glad iris]

#1006489853648715786

[winged cove]

Thx

https://discord.com/channels/656699542967812106/1120469217448300544

If anyone is interested in making the Owl a bit more reliable to play, please interact and/or react in the thread above. I really like the character's design and would love to see it getting a glow up into a proper caster instead of just using the secondary skill.

[fallen escarp]

Even if that change happened, I somehow doubt that people would move over to using both skills equally.

Just like Li, even if both skills can be good, one is already far better than the other, and the devs would be completely unwilling to nerf it in any way that matters.

On the other hand, if the weaker skill gets buffed to be equal, then you just get a hero with 2 OP skills.

[winged cove]

Makes sense. A bigger rework might be necessary but considering they just released the DLC I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

[fallen escarp]

Li was released months ago.

She's still got the problem of having 1 skill be far better.

Zi Xiao will likely suffer a similar fate.

Falling Star will never be as good as cards, and if it does, it'll be through buffs that make him way better than other heroes.

[eternal shore]

just started playing a few days ago, is pupil just the most broken gun for crown prince or is there a better one

went through elite almost untouched with piercing fire + pupil combo until final boss

[unreal horizon]

yes there's many guns better than pupil

better at dps, better at element

but pupil isn't bad either

sacrifice dps for spreading element to more targets? arc light. sacrifice even more dps to spread elements slightly faster to slightly more enemies? thunderclap gloves

aura of venom is considered one of the best elemental guns in the game because it's base 40% decay chance plus its special lets it hit 22 rps, just under angelic aura

so you can elemental share it with flowing light so you'd have a rapid fire dps weapon that has miasma

orrrr you could go the other way and put fire tower on it to make it a combustion dps weapon

[glad mist]

Fire tower is also amazing on crown prince

Pair it with the next attack bonus on his orb

[unreal horizon]

combustion has a hard rate limit on the amount of procs per second so ideally you want a perfect ratio so you can keep 100% uptime

[eternal shore]

oh but i had acridominance and decay bombs so I've never used decay weapons

Is there a good build guide for each character? So far I've only used crown prince

[glad mist]

Check the wiki

Has builds on all the characters but except the new ones

[eternal shore]

oh i see didn't think to look there before

I don't know why the videos / wiki / forums never mentioned how amazing acridominance is

Instant win when I get it

[unreal horizon]

because when you get to endgame, acidominance shares damage bonuses with tons of other abilities and scrolls and that makes it only valuable at level 3 for the free grenades on headshot

the most valued of the three elemental ascensions for crown prince is pyrodominance because the level 3 increases the maximum damage cap

[eternal shore]

Yeah the level 3 is broken

I understand why 1 and 2 are meh

Being able to snipe and one shot everything because of that + bomb upgrades is amazing

I also see people pushing lightning over fire builds for prince

but both seem fine to me

[unreal horizon]

if you're playing single player I'd say lightning is typically more reliable, fire is better in multiplayer unless you want to play support

[eternal shore]

ok ty

[unreal horizon]

fire's still good in single player, just lightning + decay creates a damage over time in single player that kills everything

and in multiplayer it does less damage

[eternal shore]

makes sense

[unreal horizon]

if you read here : https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Effect under elemental fusion, combustion is burning + decay and miasma is decay + shock

[fallen escarp]

Kills everything slower than a good Combustion build, though.

Minimum it takes 2 seconds for a fully Miasma'd enemy to die.

Combustion can end them in 1 good shot.

And take out everything nearby too.

[pearl garden]

I only go Miasma on Prince if I'm desperate in early game, my build isn't scaling well, or if it's just a byproduct of my build via my weapon choice or Painkiller.

[proven topaz]

Why are the parkour portals so awful, you need like 160% movement speed to finish even the basic ones.

I've never managed to actually finish a single one lol

[pearl garden]

Pyrodom III is just too good to pass up otherwise as Combustion scales much better.

[eternal shore]

i'll try going for pyro next time

[unreal horizon]

if you have issues with parkour cap your fps to 60 and use the foundry with 3

[fallen escarp]

All Parkour vaults can be done with the slowest hero and 0 movement speed bonuses.

Just hold out Foundry instead of a heavier weapon.

[pearl garden]

If you press the 3 key, you can pull out your Foundry pistol which gives you enough movement speed to solve the rooms unless you have negative move speed via a curse.

[unreal horizon]

if your fps is too high it messes up movespeed so uncapped players with good rigs can have issues

[proven topaz]

I'm on playstation, I just hang out in this channel since it's busier and you guys know a lot XD.

Yeah I know I use that or melee with the perk, still literally can't. I've tried everything even on like 170% movement with melee out can't do it.

Maybe it's just me lol it's infuriating though

[unreal horizon]

are you talking about the desert one with the final jump off the building?

because that one is super tight and requires timing a dash at the peak of your jump basically

[proven topaz]

All of the desert ones, pillars, fire traps can't do them.

[unreal horizon]

are you dashing in mid air? some of them if you have base movespeed require dashing

[proven topaz]

Maybe I'll try that some more. Thanks.

[pearl garden]

Could be your dash timing too. Typically it's best to jump and dash shortly after versus wait to dash until you're at the peak jump height.

[proven topaz]

Just so annoyed when I see 3 teammates staring down at me in disappointment. Even worse when they try showing me how to do it and I give up and leave portal

[pearl garden]

I feel you. Some of those rooms were tough at first. The Act 3 room with the extra chest up high in the middle still gives me issues at times. You'll get better once you start getting the hang of it.

Ironically the room I referenced above gets harder with move speed lol

[unreal horizon]

Act 3 is super cheesable though, since you can skip the pillar puzzle AND you can have teammates activate the chest for you from underneath

[proven topaz]

I've beaten the game, unlocked everything (on ps) and yet I can't do the simple jump puzzles lol.

[unreal horizon]

I mean, outside the obstacle courses you really don't need precision movement in this game

[neat yoke]

anybody lfg here?

[fallen escarp]

#1064937664870101033

[halcyon mirage]

How do you build Tao

[quartz narwhal]

anyone want to help me beat the game for the first time

oh wait

wrong chat

[quartz narwhal]

forgot to reply I used to play on console where it is the final boss still

[quasi arrow]

use skip in act 3 vault, it's the fastest room

[quasi arrow]

I did them in the most slow and autistic way, should help https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/xpn2lp/maps_and_routes_of_all_nonfighting_vault_with/

[unreal horizon]

I figured out you could do the pillar dash section in act 3 with Ostrich Rider if you time the jump bumping against the cieling correctly, without using the skip

[nimble flint]

yes

we have a clip of me doing that pinned in #general-gunfire-talk

[proven topaz]

Really appreciate the help, after my message though I went to the desert a few times and learned the best way to do pillar/flame ones, needed mid air dashes and foundry mostly. A +20% movement speed buff helps a ton too

[junior wave]

were you trying to do it while holding a special weapon

[proven topaz]

Melee with the perk for movement speed while holding melee

Apparently comes to about the same as foundry I guess

[fringe crystal]

The more you do these vaults each run the faster you’ll do them

Becomes muscle memory

[junior wave]

melee is faster than pistols

melee without the perk is slightly faster

[fringe crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750664488637693952/1115530663714631760/Phoontypebeat.mp4

I should make a montage out of every vault level

[junior wave]

couldnt you just skip the ledge with ur move speed

[fringe crystal]

I was thinking that too

I was using spare time when teammates were taking a while to mess around in vault

[junior wave]

its a good time waster

[lofty bay]

I miss seeing the parkour vaults

Haven’t seen the act 3 one in months

[junior wave]

give the mountain stage a parkour vault

make it extra hard cuz why not

i think the act 3 one is rare cuz people struggle on it

[lofty bay]

But that one is so easy

[thorny solar]

Make it so that if you fall, you fall into a pit of Elite Mandrill Cavalries

[fringe crystal]

Yea

[junior wave]

well if you know it then yea

[fringe crystal]

The secret secret path for the duo fjord parkour is easier than the intended way lol

[lofty bay]

I do struggle on the act two one sometimes- that second chest is a pain to get to

[junior wave]

people cant handle the sudden change in strategy

[lofty bay]

Back in my day, we had almost zero time for mistakes in parkour vaults

[junior wave]

back in my day cat couldnt do them because he was slow as hell

[lofty bay]

He always could?

[junior wave]

yea just barely

3.0 move speed

[lofty bay]

He has never been that slow

[junior wave]

now all the heros have 5.0 move speed +

yea his og base movespeed was 3.0

[lofty bay]

Was that in his first month?

[junior wave]

probably

he didnt get changed till after lei luo

[lofty bay]

?

No?

If I’d ever had to deal with such a slow, terrible movespeed, I’d remember

[junior wave]

ill see if i can find an image

[mystic roost]

Time to look though the patch notes

[junior wave]

oh that works

i was lookin for 2 year old vids that went through cahracter select

[halcyon mirage]

Anyone know how to build Tao?

[lofty bay]

legos

[halcyon mirage]

Ahh ok, thank you

[nimble flint]

The movement Speed of prince was never touched
And he could ALWAYS do all the vaults

Prince had always been 5.0 movement speed
Not slower , not faster.

[red glacier]

ignore him

you could also use playmobil

[junior wave]

hm

my memory sucks then

[nimble flint]

Yes

[junior wave]

i defo remember him being slow as hell

[nimble flint]

Nope

He is the slowest , yes

[red glacier]

he is the slowest in the game i think (?)

yeah

[junior wave]

yea 5.0 move speed

[red glacier]

so he probably felt slow in comparison

[nimble flint]

But slow as hell ? nah

[red glacier]

i think talent system was different, and we had less movement scrolls at the time

[nimble flint]

its just that others like Tao zip with more movement options

[junior wave]

the only one with 5.0 move speed too

[lofty bay]

back in the good ol days of old Ostrich Rider

[junior wave]

old ostrich rider was just dont stand in the whirlpool

[red glacier]

fuck ostrich rider, all my homies hate ostrich rider

[lofty bay]

what is this whirlpool you speak of

though there was a bit of time where both old ostrich and Windy were in the game at once

[junior wave]

sand pools during the wind god fight

[nimble flint]

There was only a slight overlap between the two but not much

[halcyon mirage]

Ok

[red glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/playmobil-gif-10830703

playmobil supremacy

[junior wave]

huh?

i dont see any playmobil starwars games

[red glacier]

you're so right

nvm just build tao with legos

[halcyon mirage]

👍

[proud shale]

Can i build tao with k’nex

[worn sapphire]

有說中文的玩家嗎

[junior wave]

其他 discord?

refresh addict needs a buff :v

[fallen escarp]

Not really.

+1 refresh looks bad, but only from a max talent, Mysterious Jokul perspective.

[junior wave]

and then it tanks to D tier

maybe +1 refresh to phantom peddler too and drop the rarity by 1?

[fallen escarp]

Phantom Peddler refresh is the enhanced version.

[junior wave]

its a really weak purple scroll then past a certain point

[fallen escarp]

Still better than the old version, which cost you an absurd amount of money to refresh, before they changed it to cost less, though it was still pretty expensive unless you had copper scrolls.

The only upside it had was it refreshed already purchased items.

[junior wave]

could maybe have it give a stacking buff for each time u refresh a peddler?

the previous was better tho because you could get more than 2 scorlls per peddler

so if ur a skill damage build not upgrading weapon

it was perfect

maybe just give it the unfettered will treatment, bump up to legendary and refreshes let you buy additional scrolls

[fringe crystal]

does untold effort affect the fatal blooms from shooting with blossom enthusiast?>

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

Anything that does secondary skill damage counts.

[fringe crystal]

thank you

when i read casting i think of physically pressing the button

[fallen escarp]

Includes Lightning From Void, Lightning Governor, Fatal Bloom extra procs, Tidal Aspis retracting attack (with Unshielded Force talent), possibly Soul Strike's Essence Chain damage with pistols, Flare Calling, Blazing Rain, Cataclysm, etc...

[thorny solar]

I like refresh addict in assault.

[upbeat drift]

who doesn't

[thorny solar]

True

[upbeat drift]

It's just a free reroll when you're not supposed to have one

[thorny solar]

I mean
I still tend to pick other scrolls over refresh addict