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[vapid crag]

very cool

i wish to procure it in the near future

[boreal trellis]

Acrid and Chef were probably my main 2

Mostly Acrid

[pearl garden]

I like Rex 🪴

[vapid crag]

i work a lot so roguelites are kind of my bread and butter

[boreal trellis]

They murdered my boy Acrid in RoR2

[vapid crag]

one and done is nice

[rotund plaza]

my main in RoR2 alongsode with Loader

[vapid crag]

i play the dual weapon guy

i forgetti his name

hes like the base character i feel...

[rotund plaza]

Commando

[vapid crag]

YHES

i just like to pewpew with him

[boreal trellis]

I play Acrid / Engi

Engi gets bungus and then just sits there winning

[rotund plaza]

dunno why I love the inferior walking turret more

and get that heresy items

talk about heresy items

what if gunfire has some sort of scroll to act that way

maybe cursed scroll

[boreal trellis]

I think that's something a lot of roguelikes miss out on

Items that do crazy stuff

[prime rose]

Do cursed scrolls count towards the banner for owl

[lucid nova]

ye

[opal stratus]

What is howl ?

[proud shale]

Debuff that causes the bullet ring to happen

6 stacks of voracity (left click debuff) will apply 1 stack, or hitting an enemy with right click will also apply a stack

[prime rose]

Something tells me this guy only plays Tao Spores

[wise oasis]

Bro does not know about magshare

Wildhunt magshare gonna give me rsi

[vapid crag]

i tried using wildhunt last night and i dropped it cause my wrist started to hurt

[fair oasis]

trancended shitcernal gamode

[prime rose]

Tbh, I haven’t even used it at all xd

I’ve stored some good weapons in it and have yet to use them

[willow zephyr]

get wildhunt, remap fire to scroll

profit

[prime rose]

Wild Hunt + Enhanced skateboarder on Dual Wield

[willow zephyr]

did a missle nona build with overdraft and map secondary to left click

1hp forever

cuz i had no lifesteal

[prime rose]

Or just set macro on mouse software

[vapid crag]

tru

thats cheating though isnt it!

: (

[vapid crag]

Genuine question, why?

I kind of hated ror1 when I tried to get into it

But ror2 is one of my favorite games

[boreal trellis]

Dunno. I think the 2d and the characters just kind of feel better? Couldn't really tell you

[lofty bay]

RoR1 suffers from a harsh learning curb

Also commando kinda feels like dookie

[opal stratus]

iron wing got stuck because of monster and cant go to revive me..

[vapid crag]

Ror1 feels clunky as and hell to me. The movement doesn't feel very good for a few reasons. Also it has some of the bullet spongiest enemies I've ever seen, in a game where time is the central mechanic and you have to kill all enemies to go on to the next stage

[lofty bay]

So many vertical enemies and the inability to aim at them is pain

[vapid crag]

I even downloaded a save file with all the unlocks. Glass helped the game feel more fun, but felt mandatory

As did not having to play commando, though, he didn't feel bad in ror1 like he kind of does in the sequel

[lofty bay]

You shut your mouth

[vapid crag]

Kiting enemies also felt very, very awkward, seeing as only huntress could move and attack, and it's a 2d platformer

[prime rose]

[dense dagger]

why does the game not remember the bizzare dream settings? -.- super annoying

[lucid nova]

Balanced :D

Once you have some knowledge about the game everything is so easy and fun

[prime rose]

It only gets better

[lucid nova]

Mmmmmm

Also im official top 3 speedrunner in gunfire now :D

[prime rose]

Nice

[proud shale]

Least damaging nona pistol build

[tawdry sun]

Nona is very much cursed.

[prime rose]

That's ok, I'm fine with doing 2.3mil multi shots

[thorny solar]

She's using her foot for the trigger

Obviously

[winged cove]

Can someone explain to my 3 neurons how tf does the new birb works ?

[uncut carbon]

what is bizzare dream? i just unlocked reincarnation, are there any bonuses to ticking them on?

[lilac cosmos]

how can i solve the ping problem when playing with friends?
Everyone has a ping, no matter who the host.

[tawdry sun]

Owl for dummies: Reroll scrolls. Normal bad, rare good, legendary best. Best weapons are mag size 1.
If playing secondary skill or weapon build, set scroll upgrading to "Normal Least" and ignore the middle of the screen. Better effects happen as you go.
If playing primary skill build, set scroll upgrading to "Rare Most", then "Legendary Most" later. Spam primary and hope for good luck. Your luck gets better as you go.

[junior wave]

In short: press buttons. Things happens

[final dew]

hey! how good is the matchmaking? I wanted to get the game but no friends to play with

[lavish raven]

how do you set scroll upgrading?

[proud shale]

in your inventory menu

[final dew]

Seems like other people saying matchmaking is broken lol

How about solo, is it fun to play? Assuming I will mostly play solo if matchmaking borked

[tawdry sun]

Hero tab > Occult Scrolls > there's a menu bottom-right
Does it automatically for you.

[winged cove]

Can you also explain how the card system works? Sometimes I use Q and get a scroll and sometimes they disappear

[fair oasis]

ur prob running exploding hand

[tawdry sun]

Some skills/ascensions/blessings generate the scrolls in the middle (aspects), others consume them to gain effects.

[red forge]

I agree with nearly everything, but I clearly disagree on "mag size 1 = best weapons"
Can you tell me why?
Because: More shots = more cards = more boom
-> the most broken endgame weapon is the Star Ring set to Auto, you just run and spam Q

[tawdry sun]

Because Last Star and Astrological Magazine feed off each other.
Card Storm has a 1s CD, and mag 1 weapons usually fit in that fire rate.

[red forge]

Try Wolf Gaze special (rightclick)
The last shot, that also triggers a scatter, seems bugged then, cause you get multiple activations of card storm out of it

Same for Star Ring

[tawdry sun]

Yeah, I don't think it's supposed to happen more than once per second.

[red forge]

I don´t clip my runs, sorry for that.
But in my last game as owl I had a trigger of ~800 cards (from Card Printer) + Card Storm

[tawdry sun]

That is a bit overkill. lol
Still, I prefer a bit more pure weapon runs. Especially with Tiger Cannon.

[red forge]

With Owl I dont even upgrade my guns 😄

[tawdry sun]

If you're going card generation, sure! But don't underestimate a good weapon!

[final dew]

Hey guys, just a quick question: Is the game fun SOLO? Or I absolutely need friends or to lfg in discord to have fun

[fringe crystal]

Lots of people enjoy solo

I’m more of a coop guy

[lilac cosmos]

who on this server can help with the problem of high ping for me and my friends?

[fringe crystal]

None of my friends play gunfire reborn, just use this discord to find people to group up with

[fallen escarp]

That depends on what you classify as fun.

If you like dealing with challenge and overcoming it, then solo will be fun.

If you like winning near-effortlessly and getting ridiculously powerful more consistently, then multiplayer will be fun.

[final dew]

ok thank you both!

[fringe crystal]

If I ever see atomic dog in my runs, I start trying

Unless it’s their first times and just trying out builds

[pine oxide]

what 1 i choose

[fallen escarp]

The one that gets you the biggest percent.

[pine oxide]

biggest % for what

[fallen escarp]

Any colour.

[pine oxide]

even for explosive hand?

[fringe crystal]

Your cards do damage based on the Astro aspect it creates

Legendaries spawn the red cards you see in front of you

Common and rares spawn the blue and purple

[fallen escarp]

If you're doing explosive hand then get the highest percentages for the highest qualities.

Because impurities don't matter.

[pine oxide]

so legendary most

[fringe crystal]

Thats good too

[fringe crystal]

But use the setting that gives you better legendary percentages

[pine oxide]

so any of them

[fringe crystal]

Seems like you’re still early on in the run, you can swap nearing desert

I just like having the setting set on legendary then forgetting about it

Rate the pronouns 💯

[slate arrow]

someone can carry me?

im beginner...

[red glacier]

#1064937664870101033

[red glacier]

what

[fallen escarp]

Gunfire Reborn's pronouns are OP/AF.

[fringe crystal]

Profile

[red glacier]

neopronouns

based

[red glacier]

where

[red glacier]

again, based neopronouns

[vestal wraith]

How i make the summon of the new character into ranged mode? e.e

[outer nimbus]

Middle mouse button by default

[vestal wraith]

Thanks

[thorny solar]

It's not the best, but I tried doing something different with dog.

[vapid crag]

you are powerful

[rotund plaza]

one dog aoe build eh

[thorny solar]

Something like that

I wanted to try out that new gemini with dog

Was gonna go for either one dog or weapon genius, which ever one popped up first

[fallen escarp]

You mean the new mag share?

[thorny solar]

The one where the magazines of both weapons are fixed at 1

[wise nymph]

meanwhile in the handful of team runs i did, best thing i ever do is res people, meanwhile everyone else just nukes everything

[cobalt dock]

thats Multiplayer

[fallen escarp]

Or Nona.

"people" and "everyone" being Iron Wing.

[proud shale]

symbiotic relationship between nona and iron wing

[outer nimbus]

now i understand why people say Li is op LOL

never got her to work with any build until i got reincarnation

[fallen escarp]

Based on what you have, I don't think Reincarnation helped much anyway.

[outer nimbus]

i did pick overconsumption to start with though so that probably contributed to most of my damage

the original plan was just to get the level border, but decided to just continue and see how far i could get

[fallen escarp]

Without a cooldown, Overconsumption did more to help you survive than to kill.

Especially later on when you end up with more general damage bonuses.

[outer nimbus]

ohh i see

[frank salmon]

finally tried out spiritual assault tonight, fun stuff

feels like cod zombies tbh

[opal stratus]

why is it that people always play aura of venom with nona? Because with the lucky shot chance and crit I would assume that the fire pistol is better

[fringe crystal]

right??

also hello Jer :3

[fallen escarp]

Because it has both a high RoF with it's weapon skill and a high elemental effect chance for Combustion.

[opal stratus]

so then you would use the critx gemini with strike wing?

[fallen escarp]

No you'd use element share gemini with a fire weapon.

[turbid heart]

Has this one sided prop been reported yet? I personally couldn't find anything but I figured I'd ask to see if it was already known about, I don't want to flood the bug report channel due to ignorance.

Sorry for jumping in the middle of the discussion.

[opal stratus]

critx,lucky chance is her ascension so wouldnt it better for her to use critx gemini

[turbid heart]

Crikey.

[fallen escarp]

No. CritX gemini has diminishing returns with high crit weapons.

And it's not like you won't be aiming for crits anyway.

You just get Combustion instead, regardless of your aim.

[opal stratus]

hm what do you mean? I dont understand this part

sr Im pretty new here

[fallen escarp]

The higher your CritX is, the worse effect even more CritX will have on your total damage.

For example, having a CritX of 2 and then adding another 2 will result in 4, or +100% damage.

Having a CritX of 4 and then adding another 2 will result in 6, or only +50% damage.

[opal stratus]

wait what?

[fallen escarp]

That's what diminishing returns is.

The more you stack one thing, the less effect even more will have on the overall amount.

[opal stratus]

so 8. critx is just bad

[fallen escarp]

If you added another 2 to that 6, it becomes 8, or only +33%.

Add another 2 and it becomes 10, or only +25%.

It's often much more effective to spread out your bonuses rather than stack a few a large amount.

[opal stratus]

I still dont get how critx works

[fringe crystal]

Weapon damage * critx

[vale trout]

just compare sniper with normal weapon, like 4x vs 2-3x

if you get crit legend scoll

normal wep get 66-100% more dmg

sniper get 50% more

[opal stratus]

yeah but why does the more I stack lucky chance the better it is then?

[fringe crystal]

because its luckyshot isnt critx

[fallen escarp]

It also suffers from diminishing returns.

[vale trout]

we dont tell you more crit or more lucky shot chance is bad

but you should balance the dmg

bonus

[fallen escarp]

It's simple mathematics.

Say for example your current lucky shot chance gives you x2 damage.

And say your current CritX also gives you x2 damage.

You would do a total of x4 damage.

Now, if you had an extra 4 to add to these?

[opal stratus]

you would get 8x damage?

[fallen escarp]

Well you could add that 4 to lucky shot or CritX and make one of them 6, and the other 2.

6 x 2 = 12

[opal stratus]

oooh I understand now

[fallen escarp]

BUT what if you split that 4 and gave both lucky shot and CritX half?

They'd both be 4.

4 x 4 = 16

[opal stratus]

yeah yeah

I though it is just addition it actually multiply

true

good lesson thanks

[fallen escarp]

Stacking the same thing together is addition, but combining it with others is multiplication.

Base damage, general damage bonuses, lucky shot chance, critX, projectile count and to a certain extent RoF as well all multiply with each other.

[opal stratus]

um ok so next time I should spread the bonus and not just one

I always just aim for lucky shot chance cause my aim sucks

[fallen escarp]

Some bonuses are better for certain weapons.

For example, getting scrolls for bonus CritX is going to suck if you use most launchers or melee weapons, because they can't crit.

Well, can't crit naturally.

[vale trout]

use poison gauntlet, now you dont need to aim

[opal stratus]

or star ring

[cobalt dock]

both can crit if you hit the weakspot

[prime rose]

Or just use counterviolence

[vapid crag]

yo so

I don't understand the owl's e build very well

[upper dome]

I just stood on top of an explosive barrel and shot it and my computer bluescreened immediately

Almost have tears in my eyes

[glad mist]

What category?

[river smelt]

yo did they nerf spores in the latest update?

[fallen escarp]

If they did, they didn't tell anyone.

So probably not.

[river smelt]

it feels like they did

[fallen escarp]

Spores power varies wildly based on what you're actually using.

[junior sonnet]

's Soul Strike scales off critX I understand, but does that mean if my bone dragon is 11.9x crit it'll deal a bajillion dmg, or no bonus because it can't crit?

I'm assuming it's the former if it just looks at stats

[fallen escarp]

Soul Strike can't crit by default.

You need scrolls, ascensions or blessings to make it crit.

[junior sonnet]

Yeah but I know that but its damage scales off CritX in general, doesn't it?

lemme check wiki hol' up

it says it "scales off critX" but doesn't elaborate past that

[fallen escarp]

It uses your CritX.

It needs to crit to do so.

[junior sonnet]

Ahhh ok thank you

[lucid nova]

Any% r1

[quasi arrow]

welcome to the club

[lucid nova]

Thx

[main forum]

Doesn’t sniper soul strike have a crit chance by default?

[fallen escarp]

The exception, not the rule.

[main forum]

Yeah, just thought you missed it

[fringe crystal]

Altanna doesn’t miss 💯🔥

[glad mist]

Yeah most people ignore those ones. Which is fair, if you've got a good run then you can just keep going. I think the full game speedruns are in less time than the any%s lol

[ashen helm]

Oh! Were you the one playing in a 3 Nona team by chance? That barrel blew you up and gave you the Crash nitro crate treatment. D:

Hope you resolved your problem, mate!

[upper dome]

yeah I crashed in the run before you joined though, in the run with you I crashed by looking at a scorching rounds lol

[river smelt]

i was using an octopus with porcupine lvl 30

i remember last patch rainbow + spores would 1shot everything

now it feels quite weak(er?)

[cobalt dock]

the RoF is way worse

[river smelt]

on the octopus yeah but with the beam it should be good

idk i gotta try rainbow again to confirm

[glad iris]

You probably had a weaker build than last time.

[dark pendant]

Is Misfortune Aura a beneficial or harmful buff? description in game and wiki are different someone help me

[glad iris]

beneficial

[dark pendant]

okay thank

[fair oasis]

its a debuff on the enemies

aka good for u

[lucid nova]

Wish the would rework spores in a way it doesnt "force" you to play shotgun injector for max dmg

Like different weapons add different ammount of stacks per shot

[glad mist]

Theres always gonna be a max damage build, but it doesnt mean other builds cant be busted. get a scalpel with +1 projectile and you'll be dishing out crazy damage too

even if they did your suggestion there would still be one group which is just more powerful

[lucid nova]

If they balance out the stack properly not rlly

Atleast waaaaaaay less dominant

[glad mist]

I guess but also its an inscription that is kinda meant for those weapons, it like how there's no point using any weapon other than a strikewing or kasana for the crit boost gemini

Or a big hippo/glove for the mag increase

and for certrain builds you dont always want injector shotgun. if youre doing a tao blossom build, you want spores but also a gun thats gonna fire way faster with more projectiles like a sclapel.

[glad iris]

Back when spores used to crit you didn't have to.

woodpecker + spores was a thing.

[thorny solar]

Woodpecker?

Geez

[cobalt dock]

Spore lei for a week

Spore Li aswell

[glad mist]

spore crits with lei lou gradual improvement would be incredible lmao, wish that still existed

anyone done a monkey crit cudgel brick builds yet?

i feel like it could be pretty good with it's exclusive inscriptions

[prisma glen]

Guys, who should i buy between li & Xing zhe or zi xiao and nona

[red glacier]

what's your playstyle

[prisma glen]

you mean like offensive/defensive?

[upper dome]

All four have op secondary builds, fox and red panda have op primary buulds

[prisma glen]

Which one is fox and red panda? ;D

[rare quest]

Li is Fox
Nona is Red Panda

[prisma glen]

Ah oke

Well i like the cats abilities a lot

Crown prince i think it's called

[wicked python]

Xing Zhe and Zi Xiao are more on the complex side with more diverse builds and overall more build variety*. Li and Nona are a bit more straightforward overall with worse build diversity than their counterparts.

In that sense both of the DLCs are fairly similar considering the archetype of characters. I think they're all fairly fun to play regardless so I'd recommend the newest DLC since I think the weapons that come alongside it are more fun than the other set's.

[fair oasis]

the monkey is not complex at all

[wicked python]

He doesn't have to be complex, no, but relative to other characters in the game he can have a lot more going on across different Cudgel styles, direct synergies/interactions between secondary and primary and especially with the Weapon Mastery blessing in Reincarnation

certainly far more complex than Li or Nona, for example

[prisma glen]

Artisan is the newest one?

kk ill try that , thanks

[wicked python]

Like I said pretty much every character is pretty fun to play anyway and none of them are particularly weak, so you can't really make a bad decision if you want to get something.

[barren wharf]

XingZhe and ZiXiao's abilities offer more variants, and variants lead to complexity

[prisma glen]

ill try out nona see how she is ;P

[barren wharf]

Nonetheless both will prove eventually that only a few options are good for building up dmg

[fair oasis]

the only trully hard to play build is falling star owl

because the card build is so turbo easy

[wicked python]

IDK I did like 3 falling star runs in a row and they all felt fairly strong by the end of the run ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ik a lot of ppl suggest its weak tho

[fair oasis]

idk about weak i think its okay

its just you have constantly look down

to see if ur things match

[barren wharf]

pretty much the only playstyle where you have to worry about which colour of scroll you get

[fair oasis]

its just not worth it

everyother character just has to glance down once to look at their cooldown energy etc

if ur midcombat with owl

you have to look down and see if you won the lottery

while also dodging and shooting

[wicked python]

i mean normally u arent playing these more micro-manage characters/playstyles with the mindset of "is it worth it" tbf

[fair oasis]

its the only tho

[wicked python]

its more about the skillset and the fun of micro/macro to scale the build into being OP

[fair oasis]

thats the thing

[wicked python]

same with many monkey Weapon Mastery + Cudgel builds where you metagame optimal gemini for the Weapon type you want your cudgel + what type you want the secondary bonus for

It's not really optimal and you're doing a ton of extra work compared to like, Atomic Dog or Li, but its not about being the strongest build for the least effort

[fair oasis]

but thats just knowledge

not hard to play

and also very transferable

if you play other character that use tho weapons

u can easily tell what gemni is best

u can firstr time monkey

and do fine

cant with owl

[wicked python]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont rly agree but thats ok

[glad iris]

I first timed owl and did fine.

[prime rose]

I guess we’re forgetting that peripheral vision is a thing, so you don’t actually have to “look down” to play star fall properly. Imo starfall owl is one of the more fun builds so far in this game

[glad mist]

Monkey also has an op primary build, more so than seconday i would say. Nona has the op seconday build, her missile span is crazy

[red glacier]

never had a bad owl run

[prisma glen]

Bleh nona is really weak

[lucid nova]

what did you say?????

[prisma glen]

that nona is weak

at least in spiritual assault

[lucid nova]

really weank

15min funny suicide device

[prisma glen]

lmao acting like people cant have opinions

[glad iris]

Well, conclusions shouldn't be made until one has played a character enough times.

[quasi arrow]

I still don't understand why people choose Weapon Mastery over First Strike when with First Strike you don't really need to come up with anything special, just take some Wild Hunt and destroy. Using abilities is recommended but not mandatory.
I understand that the magazine share is significantly weakened due to bugs in the new patch, but they should fix it with the next patch. At least that's what support told me they would look into.

[thorny solar]

Nona has left a pretty strong impression on me.

[analog comet]

the 30 min nightamre achievement

do i have to do act 4 ?

or can i do return to inn after act 3

[quasi arrow]

you can return

[analog comet]

ty

[lucid nova]

it has been done, sub 10 min

can tell you how happy iam rn

[placid dragon]

🪦 you are this happy

[foggy talon]

I love this update, Nona is now my favorite character to play as, though i wish that new stuff wouldn't unlock automatically.

[lofty bay]

Bro what have you been smoking to get these

[lucid nova]

dedication for a sub 10min run

[lofty bay]

Sub 7 now

[lucid nova]

ehhhhhh

ill post the rul in #gunfire-videos

whats ur fastest time?

[lofty bay]

Around 20 iirc

[lucid nova]

not bad

go for 15min

[inland glade]

The turtle's Irrepressible Surge ascension combined with Thunder Step is the funniest thing dude, it's so obnoxiously loud

[winged cove]

How do yall always get so much damage?

[latent wadi]

upgrade your weapon, example included

[thorny solar]

Knowing the right builds

[latent wadi]

lil dumb dragon frien

[winged cove]

And how do I do that?

[red glacier]

fuck around and find out

also the wiki

[thorny solar]

Pretty much
For me, a lot of experiementation and putting two and two together with what game knowledge I know.

[winged cove]

Thx

[alpine umbra]

tbh i've never given the spore gemini like an actual proper try

[lucid nova]

loving the leaderboards

[solemn epoch]

I think thats a new personal best for lone wolf 4, all vaults of course

[lucid nova]

also funny

[ashen helm]

So many rooms with no bizarre dream options enabled @_@

[lucid nova]

crazy, just ppl who dont want fun

[wicked python]

See -> #1055550986292297838 message and #1055550986292297838 message

[clever sparrow]

Does anyone else have trouble with the "Destiny's Choice" Achievement? No matter how many Legendary Astroaspects I get it does not count

[lucid nova]

Guys, remember the good ol days when there were only 2 characters and stuff was balanced?

And max level was 128

Crazy times

Not saying the game is worse now, its a whole lot better cos we have variety. Truely one of the best dev teams still around. Also where are the community managers at? We had some for a while but they are gone now

[forest basin]

last I heard it was a bad translation of the achievement text, you should get credit when you use primary skill at legendary quality
if anyone knows better please correct me

[turbid heart]

Do you stream regularly? I'd love to be a viewer.

[lofty bay]

Talents 2.0, the beginning of the end

[turbid heart]

I never got to experience those days, should back up my saves and try downpatching?

[pine oxide]

best monkey build

[turbid heart]

I don't know why, I don't jive with monkey.

Don't get me wrong, they are fun and I can see the appeal, but I don't vibe.

[fringe crystal]

I don't see the appeal, I don't vibe

[cosmic stream]

whats the best hero for spiritual assault?

[fringe crystal]

Nona is stronk

[dusk abyss]

i did a spiritual assault run earlier with nona just spamming redeploy

it was fun

[fringe crystal]

Missile spam with sanguine and spirit feline is unkillable

[turbid heart]

Is Flowing Light with spores a good idea?

[turbid heart]

Trying that when I get home.

[fringe crystal]

Flowing light is very slow

You want a fast firing weapon (to apply the spores) and a high projectile (to give the damage to the spores)

[turbid heart]

This is true, I don't really know how to build for swords if I'm honest.

[fringe crystal]

You don’t

The only good one is fire tower honestly

[tacit grove]

How are people playing the new Owl character? mostly in the early game, I'm not entirely sure what ascensions to focuso n& how to actually play the character just yet

[fringe crystal]

Depends on what you’re trying to build

But all his builds are reliant on you pulling astroaspects to do damage

[turbid heart]

I pretend like I know what I'm doing, and then I die. So don't do that I guess. sorry I'm not helpful.

[turbid heart]

I am aware they suck, if I'm honest. I just want to see if I can beat R1 maining a Flowing Light build, knowing it's sub optimal.

[fringe crystal]

Tiger flowing light I guess

[turbid heart]

Why Tiger?

[fringe crystal]

I’ve only seen flowing light builds on lei

I’m guess storm blast to chain the right clicks

And magical supply

[turbid heart]

I never get things going well with Lei, I don't get his mojo.

Plus, I don't like snipers.

[fringe crystal]

Well you can try libra turtle flowing light

Favours high damage slow fire rate weapons

And take stuff like formidable apsis

[nimble field]

Does anyone have advice for doing the 7 dragon event in Spirual Assault?

[fringe crystal]

Focus on one dragon and move onto the next instead of hitting whoever is closest

[nimble field]

I can never get more then one or two dead

[fringe crystal]

You havent scaled enough

[fallen escarp]

Ignore other enemies unless you don't have a Dragon Qian in sight.

[fringe crystal]

Need higher dps builds

[nimble field]

what build is the highest dps for each charcter?

[fallen escarp]

The one where RNG blesses you with a god run.

[nimble field]

damn

[lofty bay]

laughs in throwing cards and nothing else

[lofty bay]

Other enemies?!

[red forge]

Kinda love the Bird Leap build^^

[fallen escarp]

Yeah. It turns out if you stop blinding yourself with Deafening Mortar explosions, there are other enemies around.

[proud shale]

revolutionary

[fringe crystal]

His explosive cards blessing is also reliant on what astroaspect you pull haha

cant escape it

[lofty bay]

Who said anything about explosives

[lofty bay]

I thought new dragon dps check removed the other enemies

[fallen escarp]

Not as far as I'm aware. They're still around.

What is likely happening is because you have to chase the dragons all over the map, the actual enemies get left way behind.

[obsidian sun]

Is jet octopus bad or do I not know how to use it?

[fringe crystal]

The charging time just makes it not worth it

Making an injector do damage is pointless

Majority of them are stepping stones for builds like spores or ice blades cause of their rate of fire

Or painkiller cat to apply miasma stacks

[obsidian sun]

Any chance it might get buffed?

[fringe crystal]

Any chance anything in the game will get nerfed

It only goes up lol

[fallen escarp]

With the devs habits? It's either getting nerfed or ignored.

Weak things usually do.

And if it does get buffed, it'll receive a buff proportinate to its current power.

So if it's weak, it'll receive a weak buff.

[obsidian sun]

That's sad. It feels like the worst weapon in the game

[wise oasis]

i think an inscription that doubles charging speed would be nice

[fringe crystal]

Definitely not the worst

[fringe crystal]

Doesnt it have one

Theres an inscription that makes you lose less energy im pretty sure

[wise oasis]

i dont think so, that insc is on crit hits

[obsidian sun]

What's the worst one then?

[fringe crystal]

Have you ever used the piercing flame or the frenzied shark

I havent seen any use for prism

The jet optopus does some damage just not enough to make it viable

[obsidian sun]

They're fine. Frenzied is fine as a starter imo

At least for dog it did me great on assault

[fallen escarp]

Laser Gloves and Glimmering are also contenders for worst weapon in the game.

[vapid crag]

glimmering exists

what is the best way to grind out the astroaspect achievement?

tyhe 200 one

[fallen escarp]

Get legendary and rare scrolls, choose to upgrade "Legendary Most", cast Falling Star repeatedly when late in the run.

[vapid crag]

makes sense

owl is such a late game carry

[fringe crystal]

Owl mfs be like ill pop off late in the run

Then only do damage after hyperboreal 2nd stage

[pearl garden]

supremacy

[fallen escarp]

If something looks weak, it's probably balanced.

Sad reality.

[pearl garden]

Gonna tell myself that when I see myself in the mirror at the gym

[fallen escarp]

Reality is different to GFR.

In Reality, the devs contantly hit players with nerfs.

And only do the nerfs in a way which doesn't greatly affect the players who are already at the top of the leaderboards.

[fringe crystal]

The game is pretty playable at a casual standpoint

It just keeps getting easier

[inland glade]

Can confirm, I dropped a friend who has only played once before into R3 and she did fine

[vague dawn]

dude finally beat this guy solo on Elite difficulty lets goooo. Hexagon and Aspis fucking carried me hard bro. timing the shielding felt so nice.

[fringe crystal]

[vague dawn]

dude it took so long bit was so worth it

Hexagon fuckin goated bro

[fringe crystal]

When one shield isnt enough

[vague dawn]

lmao yeah

[gilded obsidian]

Does anyone have spirtual assault build for qing yan

[tender heart]

How do you change the mech into Fire Mode?

[red glacier]

middle click

[rare quest]

press the "Interrupt Charging" button. Default MMB.

[tender heart]

What would that be on a xbox controller?

[wise oasis]

New look is flex, can sub that out for another 1x2 or 2 1x1

[gilded obsidian]

okay ty

[wise oasis]

effective sweeper is just qol so you dont have to run up to every xp point. other L shaped pieces are also effective

[tender heart]

Fond it, left Dpad

[terse crow]

Left button on D-pad

[tender heart]

Thank you!

[wise oasis]

update?

[gilded obsidian]

are you sure this is like the best possible build you can do for him

[wise oasis]

best possible? no i am not sure since i have not tested out all possible builds. There are a lot of jade builds from lightweight, weapon focused, etc

My strategy is to use chromatic magazine to have easy early game and then transition into a gemini focused build with the money i get from windfall

this way I can easily deal with the elites and the boss, while being supplemented enhanced scrolls and exclusive inscriptions

[gilded obsidian]

oh alr alr

[solemn epoch]

Peak performance. I don't think I will ever beat this time. I got so lucky getting Perfect Deck every Goblet in the first stage.

[solemn epoch]

A bit late but the way I am currently doing my runs is trying to get Perfect Deck and Under Control going as fast as possible together with Explosive Hand to start the run.

[cobalt dock]

where is all the Pirmary owl talk?

[solemn epoch]

He has a primary?

I haven't even tried a Primary build yet, I can only imagine it to be extremly underwhelming and too difficult to use fluently

With the cards you don't even have to aim

[solid bone]

I've been trying to beat R8/4 with only owl primary

[cobalt dock]

i had it fly around on its own for 300-500k per tick, think thats it

[solid bone]

With a bit of luck it's not bad, but I've been stopped at the final elite gathering

[cobalt dock]

one ascension lets it have its own mind

[solid bone]

Yeah that's pretty much necessary for primary-only. It effectively makes the cooldown a lot shorter because the entire duration is doing work

[solemn epoch]

The gun path is nice too on him I think but where is the fun in using guns

Also still haven't bothered to actually read and understand his ascensions fully, I just go big numbers, lots of colors, must be good

[fringe crystal]

not only did you hit the head, you hit the hammer 6ft into the ground

[bold kelp]

6/9 update

nice

[west gust]

I like crit.

[bold kelp]

good change

I noticed the arc light was doing some funky shit

[solemn epoch]

I don't think I ever noticed a bug. Too much stuff happening anyways. Quite impressive in that regard anyways, even that coop works so flawlessly. Only thing Vault transitions can be laggy.

[rare quest]

ayy, that's nice

[proud shale]

why not just do 250% once

wha

[rare quest]

YES

[proud shale]

what does this mean

[rare quest]

finally, it's gonna be consistent

sometimes, even though you got all legendary and wild aspect, it still doesn't do legendary falling star

[proud shale]

ah

[cobalt dock]

i saw your post in issues

[rare quest]

yeah, I did

[cobalt dock]

im quite sure i had that happen, but didn’t really note it

[proud shale]

NOOOOO OWL ISNT AN ESSAY ANYMORE

[cobalt dock]

could anyone send the patchnote?

[proud shale]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1217060/view/3651903168570195218?l=english

this is 1984

[solemn epoch]

What do the cards have to do with protection

[proud shale]

offense is the best defense

cant dies if everythings dead

[solemn epoch]

The only downside to this character, you are not immortal. I had quite a few runs just end at elites. I also never go for survival ascensions cause they don't do damage

[cobalt dock]

Fixed an issue that the state icon of [Nona]’s Ascension [Magazine Modification] displays improperly

i did a thing!

[prisma wyvern]

that build is super fun

[lucid nova]

It looks slow to me since my speedruns evaporated bosses even faster but nice kill

[lucid nova]

Highest i got was 67.3 i think

[west gust]

15 is the highest I've gotten so far and that was on Nona.

[verbal spruce]

Figure it might be better to ask here, ever since the DLC came out, the enhanced attribute on weapons isn't written out below the name anymore. Is there a reason for this? Makes it quite hard to tell what's enhanced if it's not one of the basic stats

[cobalt dock]

yeah, its unfortunate

[unreal horizon]

Yep sucks not to know what it has on it

[lucid nova]

Lol they didnt even nerf the new owl

To be fair, the buffs they gave him were much needed if you wanted to build for his primary

Although i dont think they need to nerf his card kit they judt need to nerf explosive hand a bit, its waay to strong

[west gust]

Finally got the achievement. Glad I didn't get a run where I didn't get a Sniper until stage 4. RNG hates me.

[bold kelp]

I cast instant death to everything in that particular sightline

[bold kelp]

it's a good start to shift the power budget around for sure

I still want Nona to have some more synergetic ascensions

[fallen escarp]

AKA "upwards".

[bold kelp]

shh don't tell anyone

[fallen escarp]

Because if falling star was so weak and cards were so strong, why is there no card nerf?

[bold kelp]

I think cards are going to get a nerf sooner or later

they are probably testing the waters with the E buffs so the whole character doesn't get absolutely neutered by a bad change

[fallen escarp]

You say that, but look at Turtle. Or Fox.

When Turtle was released he was Birb but better. Everyone was wondering how he was going to get nerfed.

But that was the neat part... he didn't.

[verbal spruce]

I never see anybody play Turtle Despite a few gobelts making the character basically invincible, he's not that popular

[bold kelp]

well they fixed that by buffing the bird

[fallen escarp]

But they didn't.

[bold kelp]

could have sworn

[fallen escarp]

He got his best build completely stripped from his base kit. Now you're forced to use a risky tactic exclusive to Reincarnation to get the same power.

[fallen escarp]

Fairly certain it's because Turtle needs to get really close to start punching enemies to death instantly.

Compare that to all the other OP builds, which don't need to waste time closing in on every target.

So it's not that he's no longer OP, it's that he's not OP fast enough.

[verbal spruce]

Eh whatever, as long as it's fun to play. I think every character has things going for them that makes them worth playing, not like you can't win a max difficulty run with any of them.

[fallen escarp]

The problem is it's too easy to win a max difficulty run with almost any of them.

All for the sake of fun.

What people forget is to some people, easy is not fun.

[verbal spruce]

To each their own, you could limit yourself further by not taking optimal gobelts or scrolls or something, but I understand that that's just a stopgap measure. Fact of the matter is that if max difficulty is too easy for you, you're already pretty far removed from the general audience

[fallen escarp]

People already do that.

[verbal spruce]

Good for them

[fallen escarp]

The game continues to get easier regardless.

[verbal spruce]

I think if challenge is what they seek they can probably get it that way. At some point it'll have to be hard enough

Or hell, just don't use spiritual blessings, those things always make the game wildly unbalanced

[fallen escarp]

Self-imposed challenges also require restraint. Some people cannot achieve this.

I've talked to some people who had completed the final difficulty and wondered what to do now. When I told them about self-imposed challenges to make the game fun again, they said they couldn't do that.

For some people it's easy enough. Others they either lack the restraint or it puts a sour taste in their mouth as they know they're not playing their best.

[verbal spruce]

Yep, I understand that. Although, I don't think they should be the target of any balance changes in the game considering that they are a pretty niche part of the audience

[rare quest]

aww hell naw

time to break finger i guess

[fallen escarp]

I wouldn't call "lovers of rougelike games and dedicated fans" a niche part of the audience.

[verbal spruce]

That's misrepresenting the players we're talking about, in my mind.
What we are talking about are:

Well, rather, what I'm talking about

[fallen escarp]

In any case, the game literally has 11 entire difficulties to choose from.

There are 11 difficulties for easy playing that casual players can enjoy.

There are 0 difficulties for people seeking a challenge. 1 if you could consider Nightmare difficulty being the final stop and not a stepping stone.

[verbal spruce]

• Players who can beat max difficulty (as in R8 + Lone Wolf)
• Players who have no self restraint to the point of hurting their enjoyment just for the sake of maximizing their numbers which is directly the opposite of what they actually want

[fallen escarp]

Seriously though, ask yourself and really try to think it through.

Why is the hardest difficulty in a long chain of optional difficulties that get harder and harder... not actually hard?

[verbal spruce]

Ahh well, agree to disagree. I hope the people who are affected by it can find a way to get the challenge they desire. I think the game would likely get better if things were more balanced but I think it's a big too big of an ask for the devs to overhaul that much of the game's balance.

[fallen escarp]

Why is it a good thing that this is the case?

[verbal spruce]

(although yes, i do agree that Nightmare feels harder than Reincarnation at times, SBs be wack yo)

[wise oasis]

alt makes sense

getting consistent r8 wins is incredibly easy even with the rng elements

[lucid nova]

Combination of enhanced stuff and blessings, they are fun but make stuff really easy

Atleast the stuff they are adding is fun and all i seek in games is fun so devs are doing a good job

[wise oasis]

the other roguelike game i can think of is Slay the Spire, where only tip top players have consistent >50% winrates at the highest difficulty

[verbal spruce]

That's true enhanced weapons and scrolls + the spiritual vendor etc do make the reincarnations easier even without spiritual blessings, I kinda forgot those don't exist in earlier difficulties

[analog wren]

yoyo i wasnt sure if I missed an update but did they make it where you cant see your partners abilites anymore? Like their special effects and such or is that a problem with the newest characters?

[lucid nova]

To be fair my run completion rate is around 30%

[lucid nova]

There is a option for it in settings

[analog wren]

alright thanks m*

m8

[wise oasis]

sts or gfr?

[lucid nova]

Gfr

Although i do speedrun a fair bit

Might be cos of that

[wise oasis]

speedrun as in actual speedruns or just trying to play faster than usual

i mean it also counts manual quitting so thats a little skewed

[lucid nova]

9:35 is my pb

You tell me

[dark galleon]

to be fair I think the devs are trying to make a more newb friendly rouge lite like hades

[rare quest]

the new Heaven Strike may have been overtuned

[fallen escarp]

😩 👌

As is tradition.

[rare quest]

truly

that's, like, a 100% extra final damage on just a level 1 if you're against one enemy

[fallen escarp]

Consider that it went from up to 1000, all the way to up to...
checks numbers
4000.

[verbal spruce]

Oh btw, what's the 100% referring to in the change. Is that like weapon damage or something?

[fallen escarp]

100% of the hit's damage is my guess.

[verbal spruce]

For the owl's primary change I mean

[fallen escarp]

So if you did the base 800 of an impure Astrohouse, it'll mimic 800.

[rare quest]

you mean from 1000 to...
...
2.9m (level 2, but yeah)

[verbal spruce]

Oooh, i misread it. Thank you

lmao, numbers go up

[rare quest]

yeah, it's now like the other "If skill only hit one enemy" type of skill, except the skill doesn't need to only hit one enemy

[verbal spruce]

I guess that damage gets modified twice? The initial hit will scale with damage modifications to be big and then that damage gets scaled by modifications again is my guess

[fallen escarp]

Also consider that something else like Accurate Crush is +100%, +150%, +220%.

[rare quest]

Balance™️

[fallen escarp]

Heaven Strike is +100%, +200%, +250% and chases enemies because fuck you enemies!

[fallen escarp]

As you can see in the above image it's true damage, so it isn't getting modified by anything except Heaven Strike itself.

Kind of like Electric Circuit or Bloody Drill's bleed.

[verbal spruce]

What can I see it by? The red triangle thing next to the number?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[verbal spruce]

Gotcha. Okay, no clue why it would deal that much more damage then

[fallen escarp]

That represents true damage, which is unaffected by anything except itself.

[rare quest]

because level 2 heaven strike is 200% damage of falling star

[verbal spruce]

Oh, my dumb ass saw the difference in length and assumed it was a larger than it actually was

[fallen escarp]

[lucid nova]

lol, just improved my pb to 9:15

[cobalt dock]

my highest, dunno how to go higher atm

https://i.imgur.com/hf9RIZ1.png

[lucid nova]

not play with cloud weaver

ksana or strikewing

[cobalt dock]

barely matters

used a ksna in this instance

[lucid nova]

:( 9:24 cant go faster

[azure sparrow]

what does the 1% dmg for every 1hp iron wing has mean

1% damage for me

or for iron wing

??

[cobalt dock]

if iron wing has 600 hp, it gets +600% dmg

[azure sparrow]

alr thanks

[wise oasis]

i think the double proj brick is just way better than accuracy and the 2x crit inscription

[trail hinge]

anyone wanna play?

[fallen escarp]

Use #1064937664870101033.

[sacred hearth]

Is there a place to see good builds for characters?

[lucid nova]

just ask around here

i mostly just go for whatever the game gives me at the start

(pre desert)

[cobalt dock]

just had a game carried by Explosive Mag

didn't know it did basicly anything

[fringe crystal]

It’s so strong

I was running around clearing rooms with it lol

It does a lot of passive damage

[lofty bay]

There are 8 stinking Rein levels, why do they all have to be easy

[lofty bay]

Which I don’t really have an issue with, but the game did not start out that way, and I really miss the old difficulty

If the game had always been at this level of powercreep, I wouldn’t care anywhere near as much

[queen citrus]

What is explosive mag? Is that new?

[lucid nova]

its new

[queen citrus]

What is it?

[fallen escarp]

When you reload, constantly damage nearby enemies for the reload duration. Damage is based on the held weapon. 3 second cooldown.

[meager tree]

hey, would would be your tip/advice for faster talent leveling?
for now what i seen is to farm first boss and repeat

[verbal spruce]

Beating a run is more efficien, I'd think

[fallen escarp]

Complete the hardest difficulty you can without dying.

Alternatively, play multiplayer and have some high level players carry you.

Alternatively alternatively, do Reincarnation 1, turn on all the beneficial Bizarre Dreams, and buy an OP first blessing. Steamroll the rest.

Farming the first boss is inefficient. Not only do they give you less soul essence from the boss and less opportunities for elite enemies, but as you progress through a run you might make things easier on top of increased essence gains.

[verbal spruce]

Adn yeah, if you don't mind lagging behind hard you could just let yourself get carried by somebody. A single Reincarnation run can give you like 40 levels

[meager tree]

what is reincarnation?

[fallen escarp]

"Hardest" difficulty.

In reality, can be considered easier than some previous difficulties.

[analog comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828376550360612894/1116681100719300658/image.png

typo ?

100% - 200% - 125% ?

[fallen escarp]

Once - once - twice

[analog comet]

im very confused lol

[fallen escarp]

Total of 100% - 200% - 250% if you factor in all hits.

[analog comet]

ahhhh

[rare quest]

that buff went from "useless on first two level" into "literally double damage on first level"

[dark girder]

Okay so I did a run when Xi ziao first came out and I had like 500 stacks of cards below my secondary, I haven't seen any ss so far with that many, is that normal?

[rare quest]

well, it's not impossible for that amount of reserve cards

[red forge]

Bird Leap Build is definately funny af^^

[analog comet]

does this mean that mecha deals wpn damage now rather than skill

[quasi arrow]

Yes and no. It still lacks damage. On the plus side, there is immortality, so you can keep jumping at a single enemy for 86 minutes and finally kill them.

[red forge]

idk what u mean, I jumped like 15 times on the last boss and he died^^

[quasi arrow]

86:22

[red forge]

And a lil side notice: I didn´t even have Immortality

[red forge]

Yes, we play as 4 and switching cards etc, having fun

rushing would be probably like 30-40 mins with that build, u 1shot everything and elites like 4-5 jumps. bosses 15-20

I prefer fun runs, not rush runs

Cause thats the game for some ppl, having fun not rushing to start the next run^^

[quasi arrow]

Steel Armor 3, Iron Scud 2, Regen Hit 2... Leave alone CDR ascensions and Spirit Feline

[red forge]

Spirit feline is useless in that build, u dont need it
Also, CDR? For what? u get ur leap back instantly

[quasi arrow]

See, this is called "Immortality"

[red forge]

Immortality = u get dmg = ur armor gets higher

U dont need it cause ur Leap is capped at 10m dmg anyways

I did 10m leaps with 200 armor

So sorry to say that but it more sounds like u never played it or u never played it correctly

[quasi arrow]

Well, I won't boast, let's just say you're not entirely right. But regarding what I initially said, you just confirmed my words - there is not enough damage, but it is compensated by the fact that you are immortal and can keep jumping at enemies for hours.

[red forge]

Ye true, I could, but sadly normal mobs die in 1 leap and elites in 5 :/

I mean ye, u are partly right, if u jump at empty spaces u can jump the whole time, correct

[analog comet]

man the "kill 50 crabs in fire dmaage in a battle" achievement is annoying

[willow scaffold]

🤓

[analog comet]

damn they nerd emoji'd

[willow scaffold]

firefox is pretty nice for that ^^ but still annoying tho

[red forge]

Get a Star Ring (Weapon), convert it to fire damage and press left mouse a bit so u kill it with it, works rly good with the firefox too or fire elemental orb of the cat

Or the flamethrower 😄

[analog comet]

i never get 50

i got garunteed fire build with like 300% elemental chance lmao

and still didnt work cuz it wasnt 50 crabs apparently

[willow scaffold]

you dont need to do it in 1 run, i dont think its even possible in 1 run

[analog comet]

it says so in the achievement description

"In a battle" as in one arena place or whatever

cuz i tried this in maybe 10 or so runs and i swear it never worked

[red forge]

it is actually possible, but REALLY rare to get 50 crabs in 1 run

[quasi arrow]

save at lvl 3 campfire and quit/continue the game

and wait for crabs event

[red forge]

quit / continue?

[quasi arrow]

Yes, you can do it in solo

[red forge]

but... why?

[analog comet]

wait
it refreshes the RNG ?

[analog comet]

if someone had to leave mid game in solo play

saving is nice

[quasi arrow]

its faster to get lvl 3 crab event when you start ... from the lvl 3

[red forge]

I mean ye, u wanna grind some things but doesn´t the game get´s fcking boring at some point if u do stuff like that?

[analog comet]

i assumed that the levels are pre-determained when you start the act

[willow scaffold]

if you kill the crabs and quit wont you lose the progress?

[analog comet]

didnt consider that save/continuing at camp fire might reset that

is a good idea tbh thanks

is there a specific difficulty that makes it easier ?

[quasi arrow]

Yes, that's why I didn't bother with that achievement, but I know that this "trick" works

[quasi arrow]

Normal I believe

[analog comet]

wouldnt like nightmare or higher make more crabs spawn ?

not sure how it works

[red forge]

It´s 30 crabs not 50

[analog comet]

ah my bad

imma go try it rn

[quasi arrow]

This is probably the easiest event encountered in the game, so after Normal difficulty, it's challenging to come across it again. At least, I don't remember encountering it anymore. As for the number of crabs in the location, Lone Wolf should increase the number of mobs, but I'm not sure about crabs specifically.

[wise oasis]

I did a Falling Star build a couple hours ago

Beat my fastest card weapon run time easily with level 3 in the falling star dmg ascensions

Almost fell asleep due to how easy it was

How does this kind of change go through?

[red forge]

Try Owl with Card Printer 3 and Cardstorm 3 + Star Ring, u dont even need to click something else than WASD, boring af

With the blessing Explosive Hand

Did it once, fell asleep a few times

[frozen aurora]

Is it just me or is Nona overpowered as hell? She is so fun and the builds that include Iron Wing - Strike mode are %100 wim for me.

Being able to revive yourself is too good

[red forge]

ye she is op broken, in stage 1

Didn´t see any build so far that makes her viable in Stage 3/4

[glad iris]

The crab event only appears in normal mode.

Unless it was changed recently.

There's really no point in trying in higher difficulties.

[red forge]

I´m not 100% sure, but we had a crab event in R8

[glad iris]

I highly doubt that. I've never seen a crab event in R8 in the amount of runs I've done.

Unless like I've said, it was changed recently.

[rare quest]

I've never saw crab event in R8

[red forge]

Ok just to clarify cause I can be wrong here!
You mean a room where ONLY crabs are?

Because we had it that like 50 crabs were in that room, but other mobs too (the big crabs)

[glad iris]

It's not only crabs.

Just crabs spawn when you kill an enemy.

[red forge]

ahhhhhh ok

No, wasn´t the case here, sorry

Only Sharks / Monks (annoying af)

[wise oasis]

thats what i meant by card weapon run, i also play ESDF

[verbal spruce]

I'm surprised by so many people calling Nona OP. The mech definitely gives a large boost to survivability but as a consequence she's not that great. The only real way to deal damage with her seems to be going missile salvo or suicide bomber.
Great for single play because the mech can patch over all the dumb mistakes, but in a group there are many characters that shine brighter imo

[upper dome]

You haven’t played a pistol build I guess

Nona is very op

[verbal spruce]

Hasn't worked out for me so far, no

[red forge]

She shines in R8 4man too, but only in stage 1 and Partly stage 2... She needs Talent buffs badly

[upper dome]

aura of venom with some specific pistol ascensions and scrolls and you’re good to go

Although I personally really love using prism or arc

[verbal spruce]

Putting iron Wing before the golem in missile mode to nix all his lasers is fun

[red forge]

The Pistol build seems pretty good, yes, but it needs many specific ascencions & a good weapon what makes it way to Hard

[upper dome]

it’s not that hard to get it setup

don’t need a great weapon

Just a pistol

[verbal spruce]

What scenscions specifically make a pistol actually good in your opinion?

[upper dome]

the ones made for your weapon damage

crit damage, fire rate, the move speed to wep dmg conversion

[red forge]

I only saw Max 250m dmg Pistol Nonas so far 😅

[upper dome]

guaranteed crits

can get a lot more

Mech build damage can be deceivingly high in comparison because it’s skill damage so it counts all of the overkill

[verbal spruce]

I guess Lucky Break with aura of venom can be pretty good

[red forge]

Skill dmg sucks later, u Need REALLY specific stuff just to Do mediocore dmg

[upper dome]

huh

[verbal spruce]

I haven't done it on R8 yet but on R5 her missile salvo was putting in work

[red forge]

There is a Big difference from R5 to 8

[upper dome]

Missile build is beyond broken, as long as you get even just level 1 shoulder cannon you’re good to go

All I play is r8 with 4 player scaling and I haven’t lost a run with missile build

[red forge]

And 5+ Skill dmg scrolls, 2 other Ascensions maxed

[upper dome]

Not hard to get and you don’t need them maxed to have an easy time

[red forge]

So u dont Need the launcher dmg?

To Do more than 30k per missile

Nona needs to many specific things sadly, thats why she needs buffs

And the owl needs to get nerfed

[upper dome]

hard disagree

Owl secondary yeah

but nona doesn’t need any buffs at all. Maybe a very tiny buff to base shield

that’s it

[red forge]

Its Mostly the card printer that makes it way to OP. Cap at 99, Not 999 would Balance a lot

[upper dome]

That would change almost nothing because you’re still casting secondary for the most cards anyway

[red forge]

Can u Show any Screenshot of All of Ur nona runs?

[upper dome]

they just need lower damage

[red forge]

If u watch correctly it is the Main issue, cause u shoot a shitload of passive cards Above 99

[red forge]

They dont Do that much dmg, its Mostly the quantity

[upper dome]

yes I know, one of the first secondary build runs I did I had 3.6b damage

They definitely do a lot of damage lol

Per card

[red forge]

With the 480% card dmg asc, yes

Up to ~4m per card

And u shoot like 20/s

[upper dome]

that’s exactly why they need lower damage

[red forge]

Its the asc, 160% on rank 1 is to much

But the quantity is still the Main issue

Nerf to Max 5/s, cap at 160% and Max 99 Stacks would be ok i think

Still good, but not OP

[analog comet]

LMAO I GOT IT 1 SEC BEFORE I DIED BRUHHHHHHHHH

lets GOOOOOOOO

[glad iris]

You lost to a crab?

[nimble flint]

The crab demands a sacrifice for the blessing given

[wise oasis]

problem with pistol nona is that i would only really use 3 of the pistol weapons, quite limiting

[lofty bay]

If you use more of them, you are not limited

Theres a lot of them

[nimble flint]

There can be only one pistol

[lofty bay]

[nimble flint]

yes

[lofty bay]

It’s pretty fun

[nimble flint]

it is

[vapid crag]

With First Strike and Battle Scarred moved to neutral, are there any characters that benefit from taking those?

[glad iris]

Tao

[cobalt dock]

first strike benefits your weapon

[winged cove]

What character deals the highest dmg? Or are they all the same roughly?

[glad iris]

Probably monkey

[prisma glen]

Why did my message get deleted

Waduhecc

[glad iris]

Most likely broke a rule.

[quasi arrow]

Monkey - obviously
Dog - however, I don't know which magazine is taken into account when you use the Ganzerker.
Cat - the most broken thing with First Strike Monkey was to abuse Launchers(Extended Magazine) and Combustion. Now add 2 and 2.
But the rest is not so simple. Tao will likely benefit more from projectiles and attack speed, Tiger from crits. The Bird will probably work best with "1 bullet magazine gemini" + Victory Rush + Double Tap. I have not yet tested new characters in this regard, but Owl looks promising.

[vague dawn]

lmao i finally unlocked it. it took killing that lil dragon thing on R1 to get it lmaooo

[cobalt dock]

the ascension Last Star does not work

im devestated

[vague dawn]

f

[weak quarry]

funny big number

wonder what's the max you can get in single player

[nimble flint]

Singleplayer theoretically but that is super Rng
If I didnt miscount
4 Craftsman in Long Ling , 4 in Desert , 4 in Beach , 2 in Yokul , for a total of 14 Craftsmen.
With Enhanced Hidden Transaction you can get an extra level and a 33% chance to get 2 level per upgrade for a total of 14x4x2 = 112
Then you have after lvl 1 a chance to encounter a red chests with the +3 weapon upgrade option, so that is again :
4 Long Ling , 3 in Desert , 3 in Beach and 1 in Yokul. There is also the double boulder vault in desert which has also a red chest with options.
So : 12*3= 36
Now we dont know if there are repetition preventions in the game but in theory if we throw all chance into the wind that is a total of
148 Level in Solo
But its statistically and probaly mechanicly impossible

MP is a whole different beast

[weak quarry]

there's also Arms Trafficker now though(it's how I got that high)

wonder if it can combo with Hidden Transaction or if they are mutually exclusive

Arms Trafficker as in picking the curse for enemies, you get 3 enhanced weapon upgrades per stage

[nimble flint]

You got a screen of that ?
Cause as I can see that scroll isnt listed on the Wiki

[weak quarry]

shit, no, I actually reflexively picked it because I had evil banishing scroll and didn't notice the bonus until I accidentally super upgraded the thunderclap gloves

[proud shale]

gonna be a pain to get it in interdependant lmao

[split sun]

we played a round where everyone died but nona, and she was revived like 20 times in a row with the boss not able to kill her (everyone else in the run had died). Its just wacky behavior that seems unintentional. IMO The real broken one is the owl

[prisma wyvern]

It was 3 player nightmare so they kinda tanky and I just wait for teammates I only speedrun solo

[weak quarry]

doesn't she get +800% damage base with that blessing that makes iron wing immortal?

you're kinda already set up from the very beginning

[fringe crystal]

I think it’s iron wing that gets the damage from pair of us

Cause I feel literally no difference in damage for Nona

[tawny crow]

Hi

[fringe crystal]

[tawny crow]

[weak quarry]

@nimble flint

it's even better than I thought

[nimble flint]

Okay , thats kinda strong ( to a certain degree)

Sadly weapon upgrades quickly become less valuable

[barren wharf]

And I had believed weapons don't have dmg cap

[prisma glen]

hwut the hell

[pseudo mirage]

How's the most recent patch doin?

[lucid nova]

nothing crazy

[dense ruin]

any1 wanna go on run right now?

[pine oxide]

whats a good monkey cludgel build

[lucid nova]

stack weapon dmg and luckshot

if you can critX aswel

[tawdry sun]

Grab a weapon with mag size 2 legendary inscription. Keep ammo in mag at 1. Enjoy massive free lucky shot.

[weak quarry]

assuming Rein8 with everything activated: First Strike, Overconsumption
get a launcher(preferably shrieker), get extended magazine, elemshare corrosion and fire

if you get lucky enough, get Counterviolence

[manic bison]

is the changed heaven strike a buff?

[high salmon]

I really think the legendary astrohouse should track enemies as base behavior

[tawdry sun]

Yes. If compared by using base numbers, it's: 500/750/1000 -> 800/1600/2x1000

[fringe crystal]

misfortune aura is good for you right

[barren wharf]

The one you get for 3 cursed scrolls?

[spark estuary]

chimkin

my friend gifted me the new DLC so im back on dat gunfire griiiinnnnddd

[nimble flint]

🐔

[spark estuary]

Jesus, technical words don't translate well into english, huh?

okay i think i get what this does

[fringe crystal]

damn solo pole monarch doesnt spawn any clones thats so easy

[spark estuary]

you basically get a boost in max copper, and when you change stages, it changes the highest place of copper you have to a 1 (so say you have 5283 copper, it changes to 1283 copper) and then it swaps the places of all numbers (1283 could become 8321)

interesting scroll

[fringe crystal]

yea

if you have 1 at the start and no 1 or 0 anywhere else its a gurantee profit

[spark estuary]

ye

[barren wharf]

While the clone is the best target to "farm" damage

They only scaled up the number of mobs in Lone Wolf, not their HP or monarch's clones

Which is not very truly lone wolf

[fringe crystal]

yea

[spark estuary]

if you wanna know how im doing, ive done 5 runs and have not gotten past the first area

also 3 of those runs, i forgot to pick up a blessing

[dark girder]

how does one encounter enhanced elites, I have 22/30 but I have no idea how I killed them

[fringe crystal]

might be why

[spark estuary]

[tawdry sun]

Level 59 SA run with missile Nona. Rich's Priviliges is kinda silly.

[unreal horizon]

Does anyone else find that this Discord is filled with open mic players who don't use RTX Voice and breathe loudly/use loud switches?

I'm Push-to-Talk, use RTX Voice and I'm like the most antisocial inconsiderate person ever. How do you not know what you're doing?

[queen citrus]

i speak through a megaphone when i play because my mic isn't very loud

[unreal horizon]

I'm just going to call it out from now on. Be bullied into fixing your shit.

[quasi arrow]

There are no snowflakes in this Discord, only hardcore players

[fringe crystal]

alot

just put it on krisp noise supression, how hard could it be

[unreal horizon]

Or, like, learn how to use a key bind for push to talk. If not, get AI noise suppression.

[quasi arrow]

Your opinion is very important to us.

[unreal horizon]

Are you arguing that people should open mic loudly breathe in their mics or use loud keys with open mics?

If it's one or two guys you just don't play with them. But if the discord is this small and half the people do it it's a problem.

This is like Smash tournaments and deodorant. Stop being a degen in every element of your life that it impacts others.

[fringe crystal]

if they dont wanna fix it then just mute them and play

[quasi arrow]

Using voice channels in Discord is solely your choice. It's not worth shifting the blame for your own suffering onto others.

[unreal horizon]

Are you an open mic mouth breather fighting for your rights?

[quasi arrow]

I dont use Discord voice chat. Just trolling you

[red glacier]

could y'all end the discussion here? dont let it escalate more than it already has

[quasi arrow]

Yeah, we were just having fun. Well, at least I was.

[dark girder]

Fiesty lmao

[unreal horizon]

He's a league player, he can't help it

[nimble flint]

Fun and sarcasm arent really good on text.
We see you all acting like that we act based on that

Dont be a dick or ass , even for jokes.
Not everybody gets them

End it

period

[quasi arrow]

Hmm, I thought those who recognize that icon have long been retired. My respect.

[nova minnow]

does talisman work with element gemini inscription

[near stirrup]

lmao my game crashing

i saw someone opened same topic at the 5 april aswell and no one replied it

any solution?

[near stirrup]

it doesnt not works

[unreal horizon]

Copy saves into a separate file and reinstall the game then

[near stirrup]

doesnt works

[quasi arrow]

If it doesn't work maybe it's a driver/hardware issue?

[near stirrup]

installed different SSD, got same problem

[fallen escarp]

It does, but only the selected element.

[dusk holly]

of the two dlcs which is worth checking out first.

[quasi arrow]

Try to disable any ingame overlay - steam, Nvidia, RivaTuner(msi afterburner)

[near stirrup]

i dont think it will change anything

[gilded obsidian]

anyone have a spirit concentrator build for owl

[quasi arrow]

Overlay is quite a common cause of crashes in games, especially if it's Nvidia with beta features enabled.

[near stirrup]

it just steam

[upper dome]

what kind of crashing

[near stirrup]

i dont even know

game opens, sounds turns off and crashs

[upper dome]

crashing on startup then?

[near stirrup]

yes

it crashes after shows roadmap

[glass forum]

yes

[upper dome]

hm

[dusk holly]

ty

[glass forum]

They're all worth

[spark estuary]

hey, does a charged pupil shot count as a "weapon" skill?

[quasi arrow]

ok, try different APi. https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk or just try something like -force-feature-level-10-0 command line argument

[wise nymph]

someone told me the best weapon is Brick, can one shot some bosses with the right build

is this true or is someone lying to me?

[spark estuary]

[quasi arrow]

Its true, with the right build you can oneshot some bosses with half of the weapons, and Brick is there too

looks nice with dx11 feature level 10.0.

[near stirrup]

what is this?

[spark estuary]

finally

[quasi arrow]

TLDR: Drop dxgi.dll and d3d11.dll from x64 folder to your Steam\steamapps\common\Gunfire Reborn forlder and your game will work on Vulkan API(hm, like Doom Ethernal)

[quasi arrow]

Yea, some good vibes

[vague dawn]

Etched an extra enscryption onto my Illusion and got this 0.o good lord

[quasi arrow]

And this is even better

[fringe crystal]

hes feelin the rain vibes