both work on mech
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thorn robin
then wat is the best build and hero for cannons?
fringe crystal
Monkey
Dawg
Maybe tiger if you have counter violence and gradual
Turtle tsunami punch could also work but you’re not really ‘shooting’ the cannons
cobalt dock
i wouldn’t recommend that
lucid nova
You could go for one + any smg
fallen escarp
Someone saying "It's multiplicative" will change everything.
glad iris
bro called wait for good completely useless.
fringe crystal
Why are there so many people half agree-ing with this guy LOL
He made me doubt myself
Its multiplicative???
rare quest
because mechanic not descriptive
fringe crystal
Like i always thought
fringe crystal
bro called wait for good completely useless.
Monkey dont exist to these guys
glad iris
neither do injectors
lucid nova
bro called wait for good completely useless.
Wait for good is shit 90% of the time tho
fallen escarp
It's still decent with snipers, launchers and melee weapons. Even some shotguns like it from time to time.
upper dome
wait for good wait for the scroll to be good one day
lucid nova
Its aight with launchers but for any other weapon its just meh scroll imo
But its far from useless tho
fallen escarp
Stuff like Pupil, Hell, Wild Hunt (without mag share), Bloody Drill, Goshawk, Golden Bow, Strike Wing, all launchers and all melee weapons.
They've all got a low enough RoF where a single shot is pretty powerful, or cannot crit in the first place so you can get a juicy multiplier for free every so often.
cobalt dock
its a normal scroll anyways
lucid nova
True, would choose most scrolls over it tho
fallen escarp
Argus too I suppose, because of its tendency to only hit weak spots with a few projectiles regardless of how you aim.
cobalt dock
true for other scrolls aswell
but it has a couple of high points which can’t be said for all others
harsh flower
Finally got the dumb birb frame.
fallen escarp
Perfect Sixthcoughcough
harsh flower
Had to break down and use || Rainbow + Spores|| T_T
Also got the entire Card Spam thing going. Under Control, Card Storm, Card Printer all level 3
fringe crystal
Also got the entire Card Spam thing going. Under Control, Card Storm, Card Print...
Perfect deck too while you're at it
Ok you're building a skill build, are you guys team extravagant or team riches
harsh flower
Only got it to 2
red glacier
~~wait for good~~ wait for the scroll to be good one day
Wait 
for Good is one of the best scrolls in the game
fringe crystal
Does wait for good with injectors work for the whole mag
red glacier
yes!!
fringe crystal
W H A T
glad iris
except for fire dragon for some reason
upper dome
if only injectors were good
fringe crystal
Yea that
red glacier
because it specifies "shot" not "hit"
a shot is just firing
a hit is when the bullets hit
fringe crystal
Rainbow spores is unironically your best choice of side dps on owl cards
red glacier
ofc it always is
fringe crystal
It also helps produce extra cards with his weapon ascension when firing
red glacier
it's almost completely taken over speedrunning too
red glacier
funnily enough the fastest ever any% run we've got is on monkey
and the reason is that he can get spores the quickest
harsh flower
Because you can etch spores on the first craftsman
red glacier
yep
fringe crystal
You just save the extra time for luwu
red glacier
i think the time is like 5m44
fringe crystal
Makes sens
harsh flower
I only learned about the value of spores because I happened to watch that vid
wicked python
i think the time is like 5m44
the 5m44 is tao, and also was reduced to 5m40(also tao )
harsh flower
Do Injectors also snapshot the 100% elemental effect of Elemental Weave?
fallen escarp
No, just the per shot stuff I think.
red glacier
the 5m44 is tao, and also was reduced to 5m40(also tao )
woah
fallen escarp
Durations run out as expected.
red glacier
i misremembered 
fringe crystal
That reminds me, are elemental conversion links prioritised in a specific order all the time
Fire > corrosion > shock
wicked python
i misremembered <:sunglas:868216858816422000>
The monkey thing was "Fastest fullgame run across any difficulty" but thats also changed back to Tao 🙃
harsh flower
I need to watch that.
When I saw that monkey run I couldn'T imagine something faster without the same kinda strat
red glacier
The monkey thing was "Fastest fullgame run across any difficulty" but thats also...
oh yeah
wicked python
That reminds me, are elemental conversion links prioritised in a specific order ...
you can manually adjust the prio in the links menu
red glacier
man ive missed out
harsh flower
I wondered if there was a UI for conversion. I got multiple just now in that run, but it kinda didn't matter
red glacier
i havent even been verfiying enough runs, gonna try to get em all done today 
harsh flower
Thanks
cobalt dock
Wait <:bestweapon:1004097403051319306> for <:bestweapon:1004097403051319306> Goo...
idk maybe with Octo?
fringe crystal
Octo is rough cause you need to keep charging it
red glacier
we are also looking for new people to run the new characters 
glad iris
I actually wanted to see how wfg would work with octo.
red glacier
so if any of y'all wanna grab some records before they get filled up, hop over to #speedrun-discussion
fringe crystal
If no one's done it by tomorrow I'll give it a shot
red glacier
always a good time to go for it
iv been trying to get a good owl foundry only R1 run
fringe crystal
Eat my 14m 40 something second Nona frame unlock run
red glacier
that's a pretty good time actually
glad iris
Imagine if you could merge 2 geminis.
fringe crystal
With skill builds do you guys prefer extravagant or riches
fringe crystal
Imagine if you could merge 2 geminis.
There's a reason we can't do that 
glad iris
spores and mag share :u
harsh flower
Yeah, I prefer Rich's
wicked python
rather, its not that good on average
red glacier
Imagine if you could merge 2 geminis.
i wouldnt put it past them
fringe crystal
Do we know the conversion rate?
red glacier
Riches has a cool down per enemy
lets you burst burst burst heavy tho
wicked python
If you have all the combo pieces it's amazing. On average it's only, like, ~100-250 stacks in a run. Kinda whatever considering you're giving up almost all your copper
red glacier
i hit a 5M punch on turtle w it
fringe crystal
Damn alright
wicked python
The CD sucks but generally your rich's dmg will scale so insanely high youll be one-shotting non-bosses so it wont matter
unless you have legit no other good skill dmg besides the rich's itself, then it becomes a problem
fringe crystal
Kinda sucks how we don't have stacks for riches
harsh flower
Did a Meteor run yesterday and it got pretty crazy
fringe crystal
Or is riches exponential stacks the more money you have
fringe crystal
Oh?
harsh flower
1000 copper -> 1000 base damage
fringe crystal
Damn that's really good
harsh flower
Meteor has 600 base damage for comparision (500 + 100 from Talents)
fringe crystal
Also I noticed something, elemental rage lets you bypass damage cap with minimal effort compared to other things like elemental enthusiast
I saw a damage calculation chart awhile back but I can't find it, might be because it's considered a multiplier at the end
fallen escarp
Elemental Rage isn't (to my knowledge) multiplicative.
Not that that really matters, as the only elemental enthusiast that actually increases damage is Lightning Enthusiast.
And no one uses lightning weapons for serious damage.
harsh flower
Wait... Why do the other enthusiasts not actually increase damage?
rare quest
corrosion gives damage reduction (and speed, if you can remove the slow)
fire gives life steal
glad iris
wut
fringe crystal
Not that that really matters, as the only elemental enthusiast that actually inc...
I meant like the spiritual link
How are you meant to hit 50mil with an aura venom and no maxed magazine modification 3
My suicide bomb build with pyrodominance 3 and furious flame 3 did max 30mil
wise nymph
i am a cat main, since i like cat, if i play multiplayer is the elemental buffs the only ones i should share?
fringe crystal
What do you mean by sharing elemental buffs
glad iris
So you're saying you don't want elemental buffs?
fringe crystal
If anything you should be keeping the elemental scrolls
wise nymph
i mean for the scroll sharing
or does shared scroll mean i give it to them and do not get it for myself?
fringe crystal
Yea when you ping a scroll, anyone can see it and pick it up
upper dome
sharing a scroll opens it up to everyone else to take
fringe crystal
That scroll doesn't duplicate
Also here's the chart I found on the gunfire reborn steam guides
glad iris
Looks a bit outdated.
wicked python
it is in fact old
fallen escarp
Extensive testing.
fringe crystal
That's wicked
frosty lichen
Does the achievement Destiny's Choice also work in Spiritual Assault?
fallen escarp
Pretty much nothing works in Spiritual Assault, besides Spiritual Assault stuff.
Theoretically you might be able to get it, but I wouldn't think so.
fringe crystal
It says defeat up to pole monarch
I don't think spiritual assault has any grumpy bears
fallen escarp
Destiny's Choice is get 200 legendary astrohouses.
fringe crystal
OH
Ah that achievement
Shifting stars is the frame
I got them mixed up, you probably could all it is is gaining astrohouses
cobalt dock
Also here's the chart I found on the gunfire reborn steam guides
imagine if i updated it
obsidian sun
Does Nona's "Nimble Finger" ascension not affect mech's fire mode?
I didn't notice any fire rate change after a reload from empty on mech, only on my own gun
quasi arrow
funnily enough the fastest ever any% run we've got is on monkey
That's why I dont even trying to beat Jack on Monkey R8. His RNG was simply absurd in that run
opal stratus
yeah
west geode
does anyone actually play daily challenges regularly outside of trying to get the achievements?
rare quest
no
full citrus
Anyone want to play on normal and help me pass abit? Kinda new to this game
celest brook
havent played in a long while, first try of reincarnation mode and meteor lady. fun scalpel xD
CritX is showing wrong tho, wasnt showing gemeni, was like 10.3x i think
nice to know scalpel still reigns supreme xD
rotund plaza
played too much Zi Xiao, just 100% achievements
celest brook
played too much Zi Xiao, just 100% achievements
i read his abilities and it looked rather confusing xD
broken pier
i love doing parkour to silly spots in this game. finally got on top of the flag pole
celest brook
tho this scroll divination thing looks really good
lucid nova
It is
celest brook
not sure if it was just reincarnation and my combination of stuff, but Li's ability was doing crazy damage by the end
celest brook
not that i needed it cos of op scalpel
rotund plaza
i read his abilities and it looked rather confusing xD
his abilities is rather RNG-based, it's your job to manipulate those RNGs with scrolls and ascensions
celest brook
i noticed that xing's "Steady Stance" sounds like he would be basically unkillable as long as health is above 1?
celest brook
also, thie lone wolf bizarre dream thingy, what is the purpose of the player count thing when it says you can only use it in singleplayer?
rotund plaza
that's easy mode for Zi Xiao XD
rotund plaza
also, thie lone wolf bizarre dream thingy, what is the purpose of the player cou...
monsters and elites will be counted as 4 players multiplayer
celest brook
but why would you wanna do that? :'D
rotund plaza
more HP and amounts
fair oasis
u get a 4th blessing
celest brook
oh so its an extra blessing per increment?
rotund plaza
you can choose the starting blessing
nope only 1
but doing lone wolf 4 gives some thrills
celest brook
i get that, but you may as well leave it at 2 player?
fair oasis
lone wolf always
rotund plaza
how to fight 5 elite mandrills
celest brook
though i guess more enemies would = more of the upgrading thing, i forget the name
essence or whatever
rotund plaza
soul essences and coppers
celest brook
talent tree stoneys
rotund plaza
lul
celest brook
the first one
rotund plaza
and yes more weapon choices after each elite waves before boss room
celest brook
my free blessing so far i went for fake death, cos of how easily i get rekt sometimes xD
havent read them all but the critx one sounds real nice
rotund plaza
me always overconsumption
fair oasis
somestimes even endless assault
rotund plaza
every run
rotund plaza
gotta run past those longbowmans quick
fair oasis
i like going endless assault for infinite secondaries
celest brook
overconsumptoin does sound rather dumb xD
how many legendaries can you get before it becomes null xD
fair oasis
u can get a lot
rotund plaza
a lot
celest brook
i just like seeing the movement speed tbh
rotund plaza
always finish the runs with around -70% effects
since some legendaries are not that appealing
celest brook
are reincation levels anything other than enemies just being stronger/tankier?
rotund plaza
you earn more soul essences
celest brook
idek, do i need more lol, doesnt seem like the blessings are that expensive, and i have almost all the new talents for new peeps already lol
rotund plaza
at Rein 8 around 80% enemies are enhanced, which is good for Copycat
there will always be a way to burn your soul essences
fair oasis
yeah overconsumpion is good on every char
exepct owl i would say
where u just want to hoard
rotund plaza
rerolling blessings, rerolling enhanced scrolls
rare quest
even Owl could use it early on
fair oasis
early on endless assault is better
card base dmg is through the roof already
you just need charges
rare quest
better get the far superior Star Compass
rotund plaza
see
rare quest
definitely not pushing people to play primary build
rotund plaza
Overconsumption + Star Ring
celest brook
primary build like primary skill?
rare quest
yeah
rotund plaza
ya
fair oasis
i wish
celest brook
i couldve gotten away with that on my previous run
fair oasis
the primary skill build was better
celest brook
meteors doin crazy deeps
fair oasis
but its just kinda sucks
the aoe isnt that big and the cooldown is way too long
its just worse li
rotund plaza
primary build is good with later stages when you can rain down card meteors 80% of times
but before that, garbage
rare quest
yeah, but something with primary build is buggy
fair oasis
primary build is good with later stages when you can rain down card meteors 80% ...
nah but even then right
like sure it oneshots
but its cooldown is way too long
rare quest
not sure why, sometimes things that should've been a legendary falling star just doesn't happen
fair oasis
and sometimes enemies are too spread out
rotund plaza
and sometimes enemies are too spread out
unless you get the homing meteors ascension
pearl garden
To sum it up:
Primary build: Really solid towards the end of the run, satisfying to get it working after babying it since Tombs, Chad energy
Secondary build: Easier in every way, better damage throughout the run, "nobody wants to work anymore" energy
rotund plaza
To sum it up:
Primary build: Really solid towards the end of the run, satisfyin...
^
card build with * ahem * 300+ combined magazines Star Ring
upper dome
exploding cards doesnt need anything else to compliment it besides an applicator if you have card storm ascension
pearl garden
Secondary build seems like a giant shortcut in Mario Kart. Like yeah I could race the entire track and work really hard to succeed or I could just skip half the effort and win
rare quest
Why use the puny card that has no satisfying visual effect when you can cast Rain 3 times in a row that sounds like ASMR?
fair oasis
its defn rl op
no way secondary skill doesnt get nerfed
try doing endless assault start with exploding cards
litteraly unlossable
fair oasis
idk
rare quest
the roach is simply immune
fair oasis
prince entire ability
does same dmg
as one card
and you summon 3 of them
and they are aoe
like idk man
its defn op
upper dome
no matter what my fav build is still orbius
rare quest
Cat has utility with it
fair oasis
but a lot fun seeing a million cards fly out
its sort of like the easy version of bunny
upper dome
cards are just swords on coke
pearl garden
Cards take a lot less work to become OP even if Swords in theory outscale them in terms of DPS.
That's probably the tl/dr
upper dome
basically
pearl garden
Cards are OP because they're super easy to set up.
fair oasis
fee like card build
in multiplayer sucks
because you cant take endless assault
and ur always running out of charges
which is where bunny outshines
upper dome
u just need a few ascensions to scale it up high and then 99% of the time youll get a sprinkle of other skill dmg increasing scrolls that just make it strong enough to wipe for the rest of the run
rotund plaza
endless assault used to be good on bunny
until they decided to buff Blossom Enthusiast
fair oasis
bunny does have as much issue with secondary skill charges
since thats not her only dmg
unlike owl
which is why its not as neccessary
and u take overconsumption instead which gives her the edge
glad iris
just shoot to get more charges
fair oasis
try it in practice dude
glad iris
I have
pearl garden
Yeah honestly the one talent that restores secondary skill on ammo consmuption is good enough for some characters. Just depends if you're wanting to completely spam secondary or only need a few here and there.
fair oasis
idk i feel like u use to much on owl
celest brook
what is the bar under card boi's ability?
pearl garden
On Owl I'd prefer Endless Assault
pearl garden
what is the bar under card boi's ability?
Your chances of rolling certain rarities in your astrohouse I believe
celest brook
so far i still dont have a clue how it works xD
fair oasis
with that one assention
rare quest
Fate Thread?
rotund plaza
yeah I wanna know that too
rotund plaza
which element the card having
rare quest
doesn't someone say it's random?
fair oasis
it doesnt say anything
upper dome
its random
rare quest
like, pure random?
fair oasis
thats the thing
and also doesnt say anything
about the change to apply effects
it just sais elemental dmg
rare quest
yeah, there's no description whatsoever
rotund plaza
and the element effect chances also random?
pearl garden
so far i still dont have a clue how it works xD
People have linked this reddit thread before. Might be of use to you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/
rotund plaza
or no effect chances?
fair oasis
so far i still dont have a clue how it works xD
try the card build
to get an idea
its easy starter
celest brook
when a character needs an essay to explain x_x
fair oasis
try star fall after
celest brook
the in-game description to me is whack :'D
pearl garden
I wonder how good smoke bomb builds are still. Been a while. Brb testing that.
fair oasis
pain killer crown prince is still
celest brook
also didnt someone say here about the aspects being random? the game does say the chances of each one
fair oasis
really really strong
fair oasis
also didnt someone say here about the aspects being random? the game does say th...
yeah i asume its just 33 33 33 for the type of elemental dmg
but the elemental effect chance
upper dome
solely smoke bomb without miasma is pretty good but by itself needs good ascensions to function
fair oasis
we have no way of knowing
fair oasis
solely smoke bomb without miasma is pretty good but by itself needs good ascensi...
just take painkiller
celest brook
i didnt even know they had elements
pearl garden
Yeah I'd imagine Painkiller is the "damage" ascension for smoke bombs if not Overconsumption or Skill Freak. The smoke bomb exclusive is only damage after it lingers a while and you have the level III of that one ascension
rare quest
manipulation
upper dome
just take painkiller
basically cheating
fair oasis
yeah
its like way too op
try endless assault + painkiller start
litteraly cant lose
pearl garden
I'd take it so greandes deal combustion without any effort late game and miasma early game to just roll Acts 1/2
pearl garden
But just to humor any semblance of challenge I'll start Endless/Skill Freak.
pearl garden
I do like Smogbound
cursive creek
I barely run out of cards early on and even then if you get a single card storm it nullifies it, endless assault is not the play lmao
fair oasis
how are you not running out of cards
celest brook
how does one "upgrade" a scroll? so far ive only had the option to "reset" one
rotund plaza
how does one "upgrade" a scroll? so far ive only had the option to "reset" one
this "upgrade" is to make the scroll act as higher rarities not upgrading the scrolls themselves
celest brook
so when i get a matching "set", is it tied to using my primary ability to use them?
pearl garden
I barely run out of cards early on and even then if you get a single card storm ...
It's still strong and better than "not the play lmao," but I agree there's other ways to restore secondary skill that probably suffice.
fair oasis
It's still strong and better than "not the play lmao," but I agree there's other...
you will run out of cards doing bosses and elites
and you will suffer
rotund plaza
not when I'm using injectors
pearl garden
so when i get a matching "set", is it tied to using my primary ability to use th...
A matching set for your primary gives it an additional effect. As per that reddit post:
"If your Astrohouse has multiple different Astroaspects, it is considered "Impure" and deals 800 base damage within a 3.5 meter radius.
If your Astrohouse is entirely Normal, apply the effects of an Impure Astrohouse twice.
If your Astrohouse is entirely Rare, apply the effects of a Normal Astrohouse and deal an additional 1000 damage in a 7m radius.
If your Astrohouse is entirely Legendary, apply the effects of a Normal Astrohouse, deal an additional 1600 damage in a 7m radius, and deal a continuous 1000 damage per second within that radius along with a 50% slow."
rotund plaza
I never run out of cards
ah yes and Star Ring too
though the ring dmg outshines card easily
pearl garden
Also I forgot how good the Double Cal is as an early tombs drop
celest brook
they could really do with simplifying it, at least in game lol
rotund plaza
took a few run to get used to how these Astro things work
celest brook
a'ight i get the bar more now. it was really throwing me off honestly
fair oasis
but after a while u get it
celest brook
and the "normal" portion looked more like an empty portion of the bar lolz
opal stratus
What is the best sniper for critx build
celest brook
scalpel
opal stratus
...
pearl garden
As an offhand Strike Wing is the best for the CritX Gemini with stuff like Ksana, Brick, Goshawk, Double Cal slightly worse.
Mainhand doesn't matter as much and depends on the inscription rolls/playstyle you're looking for.
Since snipers are often high damage per shot weapons, finding an elemental one that's Fire or Decay can set up some pretty nasty combustion effects if you want to forgo CritX gemini and go elemental instead. Cat can do this for free with his grenades and a fire weapon. Cat's Energy Blade also buffs the next shot for strong single hits.
Otherwise pump CritX and Lucky Shot as much as possible and go from there.
opal stratus
very good advice thank you
fair oasis
im also wondering how untold effort works on owl
does it 50% chance per card?
also sometimes you have lots of cards stacked up
how does it even know which card was from when
glad iris
Probably works the same way as lightning governor/lightning from the void.
opal stratus
what about pistol though?
obsidian sun
I think I just completed the perfected mecha build
upper dome
missing skill dmg on the left
pearl garden
Wait does Explosive Magazine actually have an elemental effect % if you're reloading an elemental weapon what
omg it does
rotund plaza
im also wondering how untold effort works on owl
chance to deal double dmg and chance to consume double secondary charges are seperated
pearl garden
Chromatic Mag lite in regular runs w/Explosive Mag and Painkiller
fair oasis
the consumption part is staright forward
im just wondering about the dmg
it is 50 per card
or per cast?
rotund plaza
per card
obsidian sun
missing skill dmg on the left
Going into 4th act now. Maybe?
rotund plaza
any build that can generate dmg from secondary benefits from untold effort
celest brook
Not playing this card boi again, unnecessary complexity :'D
Like I get the basics now, just cba trying to learn it properly
Other chars have nice and easy abilities and ascensions that make sense
I reckon they could make it nicer just by refering it as cards draw to a 3 card hand tbh
placid dragon
I reckon they could make it nicer just by refering it as cards draw to a 3 card ...
the problem is that it doesn't draw to just 3
upper dome
it isnt too hard to grasp after you play it a lot
celest brook
Other ascensions increase the limit?
fair oasis
seems pretty balanced
placid dragon
ehh only that much?
placid dragon
seems pretty balanced
it isn't the most busted build i have seen
obsidian sun
This looks amazing
latent wadi
I really wish there was a way to just go endless with a run. I'm currently running the turtle and I've gained immortality with no dash cooldown
So I'm just pinballing around with Hurtle, I cannot see ANYTHING but it's hilarious.
rotund plaza
what is this Howl?
proud shale
voracity is the extra damage
howl is the bullet-ring thing
latent wadi
But 3 stacks of voracity triggers the bullet ring
proud shale
Right click applies 2 stacks of voracity
rotund plaza
that's why I'm confusing
latent wadi
Yeah it says a "stack of Howl"
the bullet ring is a bullet ring, it's not a stack of anything
latent wadi
It doesn't say what Howl actually does so I think it's a mistranslation and that howl is the name for the ring of bullets
cursive creek
you don't run out by taking overconsumption as lone wolf and then gambler for first buy and getting a single point of printer, under control, perfect for more dmg, the one that releases for hitting enemies, there is way better play so yes it isn't the play
violet flicker
Eyo i played a run as nona yesterday and I i had something that made me consume secondary skill charges and gave me an explosion when shooting with pistols, is this a blessing/scroll/ascension i can't find it anywhere
wanton dawn
Question, when will the new SA map come out? It should be there now but it isn’t
vale trout
Eyo i played a run as nona yesterday and I i had something that made me consume ...
blessing only in spirit assault
violet flicker
oh makes sense, thanks i was going insane looking for it xD
pearl garden
Bone Dragon good.
fair oasis
do you guys know what manipulation dmg is based on?
red glacier
dont think so
pearl garden
To be honest I've never cared about the damage and only cared about the CC
celest brook
to this day, why cant i use the reload button, probably even right click, to "cancel aiming/charging" or whatever
vapid crag
How are you meant to stack concurrent cooldown if it's reset on reload and reloading gives you one stack?\
wise oasis
Theoretically if you have some kind of enemies take more dmg debuff, they would do more damage to each other.
Manipulation damage is already low by default on purpose, so probably not really worth.
vapid crag
Oh wait, so the enhanced version removes the ability to stack it? That seems worse lmao
cobalt dock
its sounds bugged
hybrid gull
Okay idk if this is a bug or not but
I cant fill my astrohouse as owl
No I do not have Persistance
But I try to fill all three and they all dissapear
Im on stage 2
sinful vapor
hybrid gull
And the only goblet I have picked up is under control
Ohhh it only seems to reset
When it is a normal or impure astrohouse
wtf
proud shale
But I try to fill all three and they all dissapear
Do you have the blessing “explosive hand”
proud shale
There ya go
hybrid gull
I didnt read it properly
Yea
Also I have hit two legendary astrohouses with only two scrolls
Which is lucky
I think
Three?!?
Okay wait
What does explosive hand do
I feel like its influencing smth
dense dagger
how do star rings crit?
upper dome
and what lone wolf should i satrt with for owl
Endless assault + explosive cards
pine oxide
is that explosive hand?
latent wadi
how do star rings crit?
Basically just aim the ring to pass through the crit spot
Also keep it in the same place when retracting it to crit on the way back as well
solemn epoch
Very balanced character. Lone Wolf 4, getting close to my personal record with all Vaults at around 32min
fair oasis
Very balanced character. Lone Wolf 4, getting close to my personal record with a...
yeah owl is not balcned at all
solemn epoch
But then again nothing is
proud shale
Right click applies 2 stacks of voracity
just tested, it applies 1 stack of howl (yellow / ring)
huh, i guess testing things at 2 am can sometimes lead to misinformation
hexed pendant
the translation of this game is such a shitshow
owls unique frame "picked up scrolls of same rarity" straight up a lie since it also counts rerolled scrolls from his talent
vapid crag
What the actual fuck lmao
fringe crystal
The only useful inscription for a side brick is that 2nd legendary
rare spade
https://i.imgur.com/2iMC8XY.png
Dag
fringe crystal
Im still looking for one to keep for my critx builds
rare spade
The max I’ve gotten was 20
fringe crystal
But 68.4x crit goes hard
fringe crystal
Probably damage capped
pearl garden
His highest damage hit was 15mil
fringe crystal
Unless he gets fire conversion on that brick and hits with combustion
Elementals arent soft capped at 10mil
pearl garden
Correct, but I was watching his run. It wasn't optimzed because the synergy he found took him by surprise. I'm sure tomorrow he'll make it even more cracked lol we shall see.
cobalt dock
vapid crag
I found a bug that lets you swap Nona's primary skill lol
Posted a report in #1060159100006178816
thorny solar
https://i.imgur.com/2iMC8XY.png
Wha-
How?
._.
edgy crystal
What character does the most damage? 
lofty bay
https://i.imgur.com/2iMC8XY.png
fringe crystal
What character does the most damage? <:AMsheepthink:804386803837829190>
Whatever the amount of characters in the game minus one
red glacier
9
pulsar briar
do ppl know why gunfire reborn is really bad w coop lately
silver obsidian
do ppl know why gunfire reborn is really bad w coop lately
Right
It's been super super bad
unreal horizon
like, the insane damage numbers the enemies are pumping out now? or something else?
I took 300 damage from a SINGLE TICK of a Cavalry flamethrower
silver obsidian
No, it feels like bf3 with the running around corners and dying
And Invis projectiles
silver obsidian
I took 300 damage from a SINGLE TICK of a Cavalry flamethrower
Iv seen this too but it could be a bleed enemy
unreal horizon
It was Fiery* Powerful
fringe crystal
do ppl know why gunfire reborn is really bad w coop lately
In which aspect
pine oxide
whats the best settup for pistol build on nona
like is it better to run mag share with aura
or like elemental share
dense dagger
what would be some of the strongest heroes to play?
proud shale
Yes
pulsar briar
In which aspect
When I play coop it’s always sooo laggy and it can’t be my WiFi
We are in the same house so…
pulsar briar
It's been super super bad
Yeah have the devs put out, we acknowledge the issue sorta thing
silver obsidian
Yeah have the devs put out, we acknowledge the issue sorta thing
Where?
pulsar briar
what would be some of the strongest heroes to play?
Li, Nona, zi xiao, xing zhe, and quit yan are all so fun
Try them first if you can
pine oxide
-80% for player or for enemy
vapid crag
hello! is nightmare or spirtual assault the harder mode? o:
fallen escarp
Spiritual Assault.
fallen escarp
Nightmare is hard because enemies are stronger.
Spiritual Assault is hard because you need to know how to scale faster than the enemies.
fallen escarp
Nightmare.
You can unlock far more things, the soul essence gain is good, and you make progress towards other difficulties.
Plus you go through different areas, which is a refreshing bit of variety.
vapid crag
i see i see
is it better to play with other people? ive been playing solo but i wonder if it gets harder with other ppl
fallen escarp
It gets significantly easier with other people, unless they are stupid.
vapid crag
oooooh alright ill find some friends to play then xd
mystic roost
done for the third time!
outer nimbus
Does anyone have any tips for beating jade summit on nightmare? My friends and I can usually get to the final boss consistently, but we always fail the dps check then get obliterated
vapid crag
Does anyone have any tips for beating jade summit on nightmare? My friends and I...
maybe try switching up characters?
i just beat it with sanguine and converting shield to hp scrolls, couldnt get damaged
prime rose
The RNG this rare was so good. Too bad all 3 allies left after killing first boss 😦
boreal pivot
is there a new lucky shot tier? Just saw blue numbers
boreal pivot
nona do be broken
boreal pivot
oh I misread
fair oasis
i got 3 billion in a 2 man spiritual assault
fair oasis
but spiritual assault doesnt count
for ur records
i used that li build
she where you spiritual flame build around u by running
its so fking broken
prime rose
Eh, just play some more. High damage is normal in R8 runs
prime rose
Turtle?
prime rose
Oh, ye
vapid crag
yeah that one
prime rose
Tao is so fun
vapid crag
i have to buy it though : (
vapid crag
thats a lot
vapid crag
that would be fantastic
prime rose
There's a lot of things you can spend essence on, in reincarnation runs and even buying everything every time. I stay at cap essence for the most part
vapid crag
sounds like you are very powerful
wise oasis
Does anyone have any tips for beating jade summit on nightmare? My friends and I...
learn to abuse gemini's
vapid crag
I suck at the game
not uh
cursive creek
looks like they were spreading there ascensions out evenly as well which is uuuhhhh
I mean maybe just bad luck but all three pics it was pretty spread
vapid crag
if you dont have all talents i recommend the blue tree
blue tree?
fair oasis
surivival tree
and that one thing is the skill tree
where you cant die while reviving
get those and you should be okay
vapid crag
cant die while reviving?
prime rose
Only prioritize that if you play co op
If you play solo it doesn't really matter much
vapid crag
i usually play coop..
fair oasis
yeah go for it
vapid crag
ill find ppl to play with T_T
wise oasis
use lfg channel, most people here are chill
at the point where you are i would just keep grinding soul essence to fill out the tree and learn the mechanics
eventually you will get closer to consistent wins
fringe crystal
Everyone here is very welcoming
Its a small community, the more new players we help out the more the game grows :D
vapid crag
❤️
fringe crystal
If theres room just join the vcs and kindly ask where people are in their runs and if you can join
vapid crag
can u join mid game?
fallen escarp
No.
cobalt dock
RoF does not work on AoV weapon skill
pine oxide
what that mean
vapid crag
O o f
It means that 9 of your ascension picks were utterly wasted
Rate of fire doesn't boost the right click on the aura of venom
red glacier
this is how i imagined you said that
vapid crag
tru
cyan wind
Very balanced character. Lone Wolf 4, getting close to my personal record with a...
does having more scroll slots increase damage dramaticly?
rocky lava
fallen escarp
Transcendent Arsenal gives you 3 backup weapon slots.
Probably the only good reason to have it, unless you also like extra challenge events.
red glacier
Probably the only good reason to have it, unless you also like extra challenge e...
wait, how's that work
fallen escarp
How's what part work?
solemn epoch
does having more scroll slots increase damage dramaticly?
Why would you not go for as many scrolls as possible anyways
red glacier
How's what part work?
the extra challenge events
solemn epoch
wait, how's that work
Vaults have a negative modifier with it, like normal rooms
red glacier
I'm tryna see if it helps with speedrunning
we don't take vaults so it doesn't matter anyway
solemn epoch
Thats why I don't pick it cause fuck shielded enemies in vaults
vapid crag
This negative modifier can be Back to Origin but if you don't take vaults then it doesn't matter :p
Pretty funny to get that in an elite vault tho
red glacier
aight then
solemn epoch
Why don't you do vaults?
quaint aurora
Does anyone know if Card Master for the Owl in the Spirit Concentrator is supposed to say "For every EMPTY slot"? right now it just says "for every slot"
vapid crag
Because it's a speedrun, and they take time
red glacier
^^
never take vaults
maybe a 1-1 or 1-2 vault if absolutely necessary
but otherwise
no vaults
proud shale
i only take elite vaults
red glacier
those are the worst 😭
solemn epoch
I always do every vault and just hope I beat my best times
proud shale
yeah and i dont speedrun
red glacier
i mean obv y'all don't
proud shale
i want my whatever chance at extra goblets damn it
red glacier
we're not even in the channel for it
red glacier
i want my whatever chance at extra goblets damn it
b-but who's gonna beat the 5m40s tao run :3
red glacier
yes :3
vapid crag
what black magic...
red glacier
that's the any% record
i think full game (which is any% plus 4th area) is like 7m or something
vapid crag
what is any%
red glacier
first three areas
before nov 2021, the first three areas were the only ones in the game
when 1.0 was released
we got the 4th area
but the game still considered the first three areas as the core game because ending there counted as a successful run and the fact that it implies tha the 4th area is an optional challenge
so we separate the categories on that distinction
cyan wind
Why would you not go for as many scrolls as possible anyways
im asking out of curiosity cause im bad bird
vapid crag
@red glaciersounds like you got some solid hours in the game : )
red glacier
look it took me a month of daily gunfire just to beat lu wu
tbf tho the game was a lot harder back then and there were only 2 characters
but still
vapid crag
i played a bit when it first came out and i rememberplaying the cat and getting rekt
haha
red glacier
yeah cat is one of my least fav characters cause he slow
i only ever play him for the painkiller nade build
that's super fun
vapid crag
buyt
i read a lot of chinese novels so i thought it was like kinda cool to play a character called young master
lots of memes revolving that in chinese stories
xd
red glacier
you reminded me
at one point we though that the update roadmap was implying we were going to get a campaign with a whole fleshed out storyline and stuff
but it turned out to be a mistranslation/misunderstanding and we got about a total of 1 minute of dialogue+cutscenes
vapid crag
hank?
proud shale
red glacier
a wonderous character never brought to the light of day
but that still lives on in our hearts
hank is love, hank is life
proud shale
hank for final character
red glacier
FINAL???
red glacier
true!!
vapid crag
thats really cool detail
proud shale
FINAL???
hes too strong that the devs dont want to add him
but he will strike back if they dont
proud shale
asleep?
red glacier
does not exist
proud shale
true
hank is pulling the strings
hes slowing making it so the game is so incredibly unbalanced (even more so than it already is kek) that adding him back wouldn't be bad
:)
lofty bay
red glacier
indeed
proud shale
lofty bay
my beautiful art
red glacier
they will never know what concoctions are crafted and brewed in the depth of the tavern
do not reveal your secrets sef, for the truth may be dreadful
proud shale
hank crucification????
red glacier
vapid crag
is that playdough
red glacier
claymation
vapid crag
its so bright actually
red glacier
wdym?
spice mist
question about this
do you only gain the special effect on the ONE shot
and do they knives technically run out of ammo in the mag
or no
rare quest
as in using kunai-like?
drowsy patrol
did a weapon ascension owl run and did
3,678,659,327 billion damage
spiritual 8 with 3 other friends
red glacier
did you go lightning kunai for the 25% of mag and mag refill ascensions?
spice mist
as in using kunai-like?
yeah
rare quest
they works on those
spice mist
so it only empowers 1 shot of the last mag? so it wouldnt be good for like big mag guns
rare quest
yeah
rare quest
it's for one-mag type weapon, like kunai and brick, and bows
wise nymph
why is the brick a meme though?
agile helm
🤨
red glacier
brik
red glacier
cause we dont have the in-game icons for nona and zi xiao yet
so chicken is for the lil chicken that's inside the mech
and owl is owl
drowsy patrol
did you go lightning kunai for the 25% of mag and mag refill ascensions?
ngl
im not even sure what the weapon acensions do
😭 i just decided okay lets go down the weapon ascension tree LOL
what i had that run
heres the weapon
heres i think...2 or 3 kunai hits
it was such a crazy run
spark raven
Anyone got any idea how to play owl?
upper dome
press primary to deal damage, press secondary to do damage
acquire appropriate ascensions
fallen escarp
Step 1: Use primary or secondary.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.
outer nimbus
i finally beat nightmare 🥹
solo was easier than playing multiplayer for some reason
although i basically was playing multiplayer from picking nona lmao
acoustic fiber
Just realized something while I was looking through the heroes
When you exit out of it, for a split second, a second Owl spawns on the table in the right
fallen escarp
Hmm... Something tells me that's not supposed to be there.
rare quest
nice
verbal spruce
Steam tells me the game updated yesterday but I'm not seeing any patch notes. Is steam just messing with me?
This is what I mean
rare quest
Cat is motivated
red glacier
upper dome
why is he so fucking small and why is he on the table instead of a seat
prisma glen
Heya, why cant i respec talent points?
fallen escarp
Because you'll get them all eventually.
prisma glen
Ah ok
analog comet
i have a question about nona with spiritual assault
spirit upgrades that gives 100% weapon damage but less 50%- skill damage
does that mean mech is just weaker overall ?
or does that only count for when it lands
ping me if u knwo the answer!
cobalt dock
@analog comet the Mech only does skill dmg
analog comet
cobalt dock
add a blessing that removes the mech but mech ascension applies to you
fallen escarp
7.5 seconds of invincibility after using their primary skill is what every casual player wants!
They will thank you and sing praise about you, Walter.
And element share without the gemini.
And various high attack speed bonuses.
And if you take lethal damage you blast every enemy near you instead of dying.
upper dome
go back in time and post this in this discord after the game first comes out
willow zephyr
fringe moth
Yeah its a massive issue tbh ever since the dlc drop
winged cove
What is the current tierlist for characters? (DLCs included)
dark girder
What is the current tierlist for characters? (DLCs included)
Birb.
red forge
Anyone knows a good build with Nona? I think I´m to dumb to do dmg with her...
vapid crag
I've been running a lot more bird lately, actually. He seems better, but I find it weird that every other build he has getting buffed justifies nerfing leap builds as hard as they did
lucid nova
With auto crits
Wdym
glad mist
The brick auto crits because of the starlight...
cobalt dock
the more you know
dense abyss
quasi arrow
Yeah its a massive issue tbh ever since the dlc drop
Before the patch, desynchronization occurred only when someone exited or entered the vault. Now, however, desynchronization can happen with any action - deaths, chest openings, mob (or elite) deaths...
And your ping like 100-400-999
novel yarrow
how the fuck is nona on 2.7mrd dmg and the boss stands this long ... he should melt it with the aov
glad iris
how the fuck is nona on 2.7mrd dmg and the boss stands this long ... he should m...
They're not attacking the boss.
novel yarrow
ok ok make sense kekw ^^
hybrid gull
https://i.imgur.com/2iMC8XY.png
What is the other weapon?!?
lucid nova
down to 10 min :D
rotund plaza
Get more scrolls and stuff
like Risk of Rain?
hybrid gull
Yea
rotund plaza
idk if this is intended but this is how shooting 2 Wolf Gazes while dual wielding works
hybrid gull
Huh?
rotund plaza
main hand fires small shots
off hand fires large shots
lofty bay
I wish you could loop
Take another shot lads
regal tartan
honest question
how do you dodge literally any of pole monarchs melee swings at base movement speed
(unless you dont lol)
regal tartan
Ye
even with a melee weapon its like dear god
how are you expected to get away from them lol
lofty bay
You don’t
regal tartan
💯
lofty bay
Top ten reasons I hate Pole Monarch
regal tartan
Yeah
I wish him and wind god weren't movement speed checks
every other boss is mostly fine to me
barren wharf
I came up with 3 solutions.
- Build up your speed/dash high enough
- Get defensive scrolls (e.g. Lightless shield) ready to hold his attacks
- Blast him into next phase before his first attack
lofty bay
Scrolless, ascensionless, elementless, geminiless R8 dog was not fun with Pole Monarch
That first slam is bs to the max
regal tartan
What's funny is that bullet hell is probably his most consistent to dodge no matter what your run is looking like
Despite it looking the most imposing out of his attacks lol
barren wharf
Getting closer to the end it's just more demanding that you kill enemies fast enough, with monarch being the ultimum
If you can't sack your foes in time, you're next.
red glacier
I wish you could loop
@fallen escarp look look!!
ashen helm
Waited so long in a group just for the dog to go atomic. It's so unfun @_@
lucid nova
thats multiplayer for ya
vapid crag
atomic?
thorny solar
A secondary skill build for dog
vapid crag
sounds like it has a lot of explosions
thorny solar
Indeed
boreal trellis
Multiplayer in this has one main flaw. 3 players will probably end up feeling useless as every enemy in existance dies 2 ms after they spawn
rotund plaza
boring build
boreal trellis
Because one character got the funny broken stuff they needed
barren wharf
Sometimes more than one can get builds that are kinda evenly broken
That's when a war over frags breaks out
boreal trellis
Then they fight for that split second of kill time
Meanwhile the other two players are just sitting there like "I still only have survivability scrolls and passives that give me more money"
barren wharf
"Never go to war. Especially with yourself"
rotund plaza
just finished R8 duo run
boreal trellis
Most runs I've done with my friends end up with one person doing at least 10x as much damage as the 2nd place
barren wharf
Anyway there's always gonna be at least one player taking the lead
rotund plaza
here I let my friend do the mons clearing while I take care of elites and bosses
barren wharf
Plus with all-random teammates, smashing enemies like the wind seems the only way to have fun
boreal trellis
I bet Nona can get top damage without ever firing a gun or missile in some situations
rotund plaza
he happily melts any groups of mons in his way
boreal trellis
what if i just want to play birb and leap in and swing my wings around
Then you probably do top damage
Bird is funny like that
vapid crag
i must be doing something wrong because i just get murdered in cold blood when i do that
💀
ashen helm
Nerfed bird, but then they added a bird in a mech that runs around leaping and smacking enemies like crazy.
boreal trellis
My bf tends to take random things without reading them and just not care what he builds, so I have to revive him a lot and he barely does damage. Is funny to watch
rotund plaza
then your teammate keeps killing mons you try to leech armor from
boreal trellis
then your teammate keeps killing mons you try to leech armor from
Nothing in this game feels worse than having scrolls or a skill that relies on YOU getting kills and allies refusing to let you get kills
vapid crag
It is rather comical watching my birb foot flying towards an enemy that vanishes into the abyss right before contact
boreal trellis
Easy Kill build be like
ashen helm
Nothing in this game feels worse than having scrolls or a skill that relies on Y...
"Sweet, I got dual edge!" And that's when everyone decides they want you to never get a single stack.
rotund plaza
multiplayer birb in a nutshell
boreal trellis
I don't get easy kill / veteran / etc often, but when I do, you can be sure my team is running the most AoE nuke build possible
barren wharf
Nothing in this game feels worse than having scrolls or a skill that relies on Y...
The balance is delicate, or there is just no balance.
When you get to kill some, you have a better chance to kill more, which in turn will make it even easier to get more
boreal trellis
I love getting all the stuff that has the "you take x% more damage" downside along with feline
vapid crag
im gonna try assault tier 2 tonight
boreal trellis
I play way too many roguelikes that run out of steam after only a few runs
vapid crag
im on the fence on if i like gunfire or risk of rain 2 more
boreal trellis
RoR1 remake hype
vapid crag
whats RoRR?
or is that like you rawring
or am i over thinking this
probably over thinking
boreal trellis
They're making a remake of the first game
rotund plaza
RoR1 remake
vapid crag
brb gonna dig a hole for myself to hide my embarassment
boreal trellis
My boy Acrid is gonna relive his glory days
Of spitting once and clearing a stage
vapid crag
ive only played risk of rain 2
rotund plaza
I missed you