star ring so busted lol
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junior wave
have u heard of our lord and savior brick
spark vessel
yeah im gonna do a brick run next but got DAYUM star ring is insane
s+++ weapon for sure
junior wave
inland glade
pretty neat you can shove a weapon in the arsenal after the final boss
doesn't have to be in the vault in the stage just before
latent sierra
So I'm just starting Owl, and I'm kind of finding it brain-melting. What's the correlation, if any, between my actual "E" / Primary that shoots a star down, and the meter that fills up when I summon cards? The UI seems to imply that the meter has to do with the Primary and not the secondary.
quaint maple
can you reroll cursed scrolls?
fringe crystal
I mean overconsumption is always the best lone wolf blessing
quaint maple
you cant reroll them, oof
fringe crystal
Also it doesn't affect the mech, the mech gains +40 hp per ascension gained
azure sapphire
damn i get the template of the owl, thanks who tell me about the secondary skill build
still drum
Last time I played was beginning of April and it was still melting bosses then. Strange
quaint maple
extreme deals is SO GOOD
devout crag
is the game on ps4 yet?
wanton dawn
I hit 999 in the back log of cards with Owl today in SA, quite fun
alpine thorn
Don't tell me cursed scrolls count against the owl challenge .-.
wanton dawn
You have to get scrolls of one type and beat the Polar Monarch
green stream
dark pendant
You have to get scrolls of one type and beat the Polar Monarch
ah thanks, i understood
proud shale
is the game on ps4 yet?
no
spark vessel
you want all of the things at the bottom to be the same rarity, and if they are you get a big damage boost to your primary, and it gets even bigger the higher rarity the things at the bottom are
jagged sedge
anyone know why sometimes Zi Xiao's cards just stop shooting as many?
pine oxide
best gemni for star ring
inland glade
So after actually doing a full run with the new All or Nothing
I can say for a fact
As far as damage potential goes, it's even more ridiculous than it was before, so if their goal was to nerf its damage they failed miserably
However the whole thing just now feels like ass to use
It took an exceptional run before for me to hit 1.2 billion damage
Now I hit 1.8 billion barely even trying
So the damage was actually more balanced pre-rework
And that's WITH old Nova Shockwave and Thunder Screen actually working with it.
So if they were trying to make it less fun, they succeeded
If they were trying to make it less oppressive, they failed miserably
So the change is completely useless lol
indigo harbor
Does Brick reload?
spark vessel
best gemni for star ring
i have been really liking the + ammo one, its a crazy amount of damage if you can get 200+ ammo on it
inland glade
Does Brick reload?
If it's a 1 mag size weapon by default, probably not
Similar to bows, icy spear, the daggers
pine oxide
i know spores used to be very broken but i did not play back then are they still broken?
proud shale
yes
proud shale
rainbow or radioactive gauntlet
pine oxide
would star ring be good?
quaint maple
super good in SA, imo best weapon for AOE with the right inscriptions
pine oxide
i mean for spore
spiral ether
it doesn't have a very fast attack rate for spore. it would "work", but be suboptimal
quaint maple
its bad for spore
spiral ether
it will be much better to use the normal setup than star ring for spore
spark vessel
is spore worth doing on anyone other than dog? it seems like a super counter-intuitive way to play the game
pearl garden
Are you on the Steam version?
spark vessel
i mean i'm in the steam forum for a reason lol
pearl garden
You'd be surprised.
spark vessel
lol
pearl garden
Spores are literally broken on every character unless they changed them yet again. Haven't checked since the update.
pearl garden
Used to be just a dog thing but they made it work without having to weapon swap.
spark vessel
wait what
pearl garden
That's why I'm confused. You don't have to weapon swap. Unless they changed them yet again.
spark vessel
i havent even read spores in probably like a year
because i didnt realize it ever changed from needing to weapon swap
so i just rolled over it every time i saw it
pearl garden
Yes they're OP now.
spark vessel
how do they work now?
pearl garden
Projectile count from both weapons are taken into account each hit. At 30 stacks they blow up. Overstacking doesn't matter, so you ideally want a high damage/hit count shotgun and a rapid fire weapon for max damage.
spark vessel
i see
so like having a Hell in your unused slot and then hitting the enemy with a Demonlore will stack it up really fast if i'm understanding that right?
pliant violet
pearl garden
so like having a Hell in your unused slot and then hitting the enemy with a Demo...
Basically the TL/DR on how to abuse "new" (new to you) spores:
Argus/Hell/Wild Hunt offhand
Bullet hose main weapon
Shoot the main weapon, upgrade the offhand shotgun (I know it seems weird but it's better to upgrade the offhand)
pearl garden
If you want the peak experience choose Tao and use a rainbow or Radio Gauntlet. Warlike Blade, Ammo Extractor, etc.
But literally any character works.
latent wadi
Jesus, ended up with 130 reserved cards
fallen escarp
Hmm. I may have just realized something.
Does Nona being able to be revived by Iron Wing with no cooldown... technically mean that Birb is no longer the hardest to kill?
zealous axle
Can someone explain the new character(the owl) for idiots for me? All I could gather was that he wants legendary scrolls. But idk what kinda build direction he wants besides grenades and cooldowns
fallen escarp
Secondary skill gets cards and aspects. Cards deal damage to near enemies
Aspects have quality. Higher quality is better. Scrolls change what quality you get.
Primary skill uses aspects for damage, all matching aspects increases damage.
Ascensions are split into better cards, better primary skill + more consistent aspects, or better weapons which use aspects.
Something like that.
fading solstice
hey is that new spirital assault map not there for you guys?
proud shale
Its not out yet
Notice how the “complete” is only on the bizarre dream modifier on the roadmap
fading solstice
ah ok
junior sonnet
How does Zi's powers work? It makes no sense to me
All I see is astroaspect and astrohouse and I get confused
fallen escarp
Secondary skill gets cards and aspects. Cards deal damage to near enemies
Aspec...
^
woven siren
from my understanding, your Q ability draws cards and these cards home to nearby enemies and deal damage
if you’re lucky, the Q ability will draw the same rarity of cards X times in a row, giving your E ability a higher damage output and lasting duration
the E ability deals damage in an area but locks to one enemy
though i could be entirely wrong
junior sonnet
Secondary skill gets cards and aspects. Cards deal damage to near enemies
Aspec...
This makes sense, thank you
junior sonnet
from my understanding, your Q ability draws cards and these cards home to nearby...
That makes sense
proud shale
from my understanding, your Q ability draws cards and these cards home to nearby...
something to note is that the e also generates aspects
woven siren
i have like, 2 hrs of playtime on Zi so idk xD
woven siren
something to note is that the e also generates aspects
that too
proud shale
the chances of getting a certain combo
junior sonnet
Ahhhhh
fringe crystal
What does the meter represent?
Dontsaynumberofbitchesdontsaynumberofbitches
junior sonnet
LOL
This has been so ungodly insightful tysm
I've learn much and have still much to learn
OK I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS DAMN
In the occult scroll section it mentions upgrade strategy
what is
any of that
proud shale
in the inventory you'll see little marks next to scrolls
thats the rarity theyre upgraded to, and its only for your abilities
all of these were "upgraded" to legendary, as indicated by the orange mark
junior sonnet
But only for the purposes of the ability
proud shale
yes
woven siren
smort
woven siren
i’ll try that next time i play em
proud shale
automatic
junior sonnet
ok!!
proud shale
you can change the priority as seen in the image
junior sonnet
So I can prioritize getting as many lgendaries as possible over other things
I'm assuming legendary most just makes more sense
woven siren
they’re soo cool
they also look like a distinguished gentleman
and i’m here for it
proud shale
ourple 😈
proud shale
now that i know how to abuse this first part nona is even crazier
mech cant die as long as you live > mech can keep taunting > enemies hit the immortal mech > profit
this ascension is so dumb with it too lmao
also why tf can bosses be taunted
fallen escarp
Because the devs didn't think that far ahead.
Or maybe they did and thought it would be fine.
pliant violet
lol the text coming out
fallen escarp
Or maybe they did, realized it wouldn't be fine, and just said "fuck it, we ballin".
woven siren
lmaooo
i like to think it’s the third
Artisan is OP
you can get revived by your mech, the mech can taunt and be unkillable when you’re alive, etc
zealous axle
anyone figure out what star ring does yet? i think it hits on the edge of the big circle but thats all im noticing
fallen escarp
No limit.
pine oxide
so another way shes broken lol
proud shale
Or maybe they did, realized it wouldn't be fine, and just said "fuck it, we ball...
literally me
pliant violet
how do i upgrade
rocky lava
Look at the upper right.
Well, just right of the middle
You have 6 upgrades and 4 resets atm
(You can get more of both)
pliant violet
i click to reset but not sur how to upgrade
pliant violet
theres only reset
pliant violet
ya theres no upgrade option
pliant violet
stiff sky
oh, you don't control his upgrades, do you
rocky lava
...Sorry, the official docs are pretty much gibberish on {Astroaspects} and etc
rocky lava
Try it on 7 🙂
(I am silly for LEARNING the new Heroes at R7, but the deaths have been very amusing.)
fallen escarp
balance artisan pls
Doubt they will, but it's a nice thought.
rocky lava
GR has never really been about balance 😄
eager igloo
Try it on 7 🙂
i'll try lol
rocky lava
I've done over 3 mil in one hit (Thunderkitties best kitties) lol
NOt saying Artisan is/isn't unbalanced, literally haven't tried it yet
eager igloo
Ah i see you're a lei luo enjoyer as well.
eager igloo
Player information
fallen escarp
GR has never really been about balance 😄
It has, actually.
It just hasn't for a long time after that.
1.5 years or so and counting.
rocky lava
OK fair
My most common weapon is the basic weapon lol
DIE, JAR!
😄
Ah, pardon, my highest damage was just over 1.5 mil
TBF it was in a cloud of the same numbers
rocky lava
Ah i see you're a lei luo enjoyer as well.
I'm guessing your large number of total stage clearances is cuz of MP play?
stiff sky
hmmm, ok
I think I understand how owl works?
you use your secondary ability to farm what are essentially slot rolls, and having a better roll gives you bonuses to the damage of your primary ability
rocky lava
Yep, but it's WAY more convoluted than that, if you wanna spend the time to learn it
lol
OK, yeah, the Artisan is way buggered OP
Hit secondary, runs thru whole 1st room, doing 8K plus AoE attacks o.o'
Like...er...
inland glade
Hmm. I may have just realized something.
Does Nona being able to be revived by ...
Birb/turtle are probably harder to knock down, but Nona is definitely harder to lose a run with
rocky lava
Kung Pow Chicken knocks OTHER folks down!
eager igloo
I'm guessing your large number of total stage clearances is cuz of MP play?
yeah, with one friend, lemme see what is my higher damage in a solo
rocky lava
Was just curious, you have SO MANY more than I do 😄
OFC I jack the difficulty every win
R7 is brutal, but every Reincarnation level, the swag is also better
Crazier inscriptions, etc
eager igloo
i tried the artisan at r7, 10 mins to get to desert, but i didn't felt comfy with the build
i'll try r8
inland glade
R7 is brutal?
rocky lava
For me, sure 😄
eager igloo
yeah, with one friend, lemme see what is my higher damage in a solo
i don't have any recent decent run in solo
rocky lava
Then take Paranormality 🙂
inland glade
Most defensive ascensions aren't worth it on higher R levels imo
inland glade
Then take Paranormality 🙂
Battle Scarred blessing with Paranormality is kinda funny
eager igloo
they can't kill you if you kill them before, 300 IQ play
inland glade
Since you're always at 1 HP, you're always at 100%
rocky lava
Ofc; "Defense is linear, offense is quadratic."
inland glade
Which means you always have the 50% damage reduction
hexed ocean
how tf does owl work
inland glade
If you don't, you're dead
rocky lava
Spirit feline and Paranormality = 1 HP damage from any hit ^^
inland glade
Spirit Feline considers your armor and shields too pretty sure
inland glade
I've definitely taken more than 1 damage with both.
rocky lava
But it's negligible 🙂
inland glade
Yes, but it doesn't work how you think it does lol
rocky lava
OK?
Still works great.
WTF her primary charges BEFORE IT STOPS PROC-ING
That''s...uh...wtf.
inland glade
I'm not debating that Spirit Feline is objectively good, I'm just saying it doesn't make you take only 1 damage ever with Paranormality
There's only a small handful of enemies where I think Spirit Feline will actually be detrimental
hexed ocean
any type of enemy that does more than one hit very fast can SHRED spirit feline
rocky lava
It's not a hill I'm willing to die on 😄
inland glade
Arsonists, anything that leaves a DoT field, the corrupt monks when they use that life drain thing
rocky lava
Yep
hexed ocean
ice spray penguins
inland glade
That too yeah
rocky lava
1 damage is still damage.
hexed ocean
they always get me
rocky lava
lol
inland glade
But by that point I'm usually so strong nothing on that stage is a threat except for the elites
rocky lava
By that time, anything you SEE should die pretty much immediately.
stiff sky
ok, I think I get owl
rocky lava
Just uses a lot of secondaries.
stiff sky
you're trying to get good rolls
inland glade
The scroll I think is far worse, is Deflection Shield
stiff sky
both your primary and secondary give you rolls, as well as some ascensions
rolls are based on your scrolls
inland glade
It's good for tiger and that's about it I think lol
fallen escarp
Birb/turtle are probably harder to knock down, but Nona is definitely harder to ...
Losing the run is pretty much the only thing that matters though.
inland glade
Yeah but there's a difference between dying and dying
fallen escarp
Birb/Turtle can be harder to knock down, but that means squat if they can only get knocked down twice.
inland glade
Fake Death enjoyers:
zealous axle
im so lost. is the bar the astral house, or is the 3 boxes below? and what does each do.
fallen escarp
Nona can also get Fake Death, so...
inland glade
Fake Death is such a funny blessing dude it allows me to play like a complete ape
rocky lava
I REALLY like the mechanics of Artisan, but omfg
I thought I used primary a lot for Lei Luo -.-' .
proud shale
im so lost. is the bar the astral house, or is the 3 boxes below? and what does ...
the bar is just the chances of getting a certain type of e combo
rocky lava
Charge at enemy, drop down, unkillable turret
inland glade
I thought I used primary a lot for Lei Luo -.-' .
Me on the bird with All or Nothing and Last Breath III
rocky lava
lol
proud shale
grey being the impure, or not all matching, which is what the boxes show
rocky lava
Death Chixen best chixen.
rocky lava
Yep
inland glade
Hey as long as their health is disappearing and yours isn't don't question it
rocky lava
lol
stiff sky
now panda on the other hand
eager igloo
so far so good
stiff sky
this I understand
inland glade
Unless you have Airbag
In which case your health disappearimg is normal
rocky lava
OK, press button... LEAP... GNARLGNARLGNARL! is fun, they just gotta tone it down
jovial slate
Does victory rush work for deafening mortar m1?
clear geyser
I have no idea if scrolls that give other scrolls counts as "picking up"
Like "Effective Split"
jovial slate
Deafening mortar definitely hits multiple times but like, victory rush seems specifically designed for shotguns so idk if this will work
stiff sky
without a doubt the most fun part of nona is her full auto rockets
smoky crag
muted gyro
There's a Gunfire Reborn run happing at Games Done Quick in two hours. 😄
drifting path
Is it just me or Nona has the fastest shield recovery in the game?
rocky lava
Wait I never knew Porkypine had 2 fire modes!
fallen escarp
Is it just me or Nona has the fastest shield recovery in the game?
Because she does.
fallen escarp
Turtle has 2.8s recharge delay. Nona has 2.5s.
Owl has 15% recovery/s. Nona has 50%.
eager igloo
@rocky lava done.
rocky lava
lol
junior sonnet
Does Dormant Bullet do the bonus damage on 1 ammo weapons
fallen escarp
The only thing stopping Nona from becoming a god of Shield is the fact her maximum at the start is the worst, tied with Dog, and that she doesn't even need it because Iron Wing can revive her anyway.
drifting path
Wiki says 50%/s which sounds busted as hell. I thought she was supposed to be a glass cannon like Li
At least that's what would make sense. Cuz y'know engineer reliant on machines
eager igloo
there's no need on building nona with any defense, with the secondary builds iron wing literally obliterates everything
rocky lava
There's several ways to turn any Hero into a tank, of sorts.
eager igloo
iron wing goes brrrr
drifting path
Yeah if rng is good you can become tanky but I meant more in the sense of a base kit
Li's shield is pretty terrible at base for example
sonic flare
Hi, how am I supposed to upgrade my scrolls with the new owl guy?
rare quest
it upgrades them automatically
you can see the purple / yellow icon on the bottom right of the scroll
jovial slate
How do the scroll upgrades even work?
rare quest
they assumed the rarity of that scroll to be higher
for the purpose of calculating the aspect draw chance
drifting path
You get to upgrade/reroll some after each ascension
junior sonnet
Does Dormant Bullet do the bonus damage on 1 ammo weapons?
rare quest
no, iirc
junior sonnet
darn
drifting path
No easy damage multipliers for you
sonic flare
it upgrades them automatically
Wdym? I have two upgrades but nothing has been upgraded so far
junior sonnet
but brimk
rare quest
give a screenshot
smoky crag
jovial slate
I hope someone gives a guide for owl because he makes no damn sense
rare quest
there's a guide on reddit
smoky crag
sonic flare
One of the upgrades was used apparently
rare quest
that icon means it's already upgraded
that scroll rarity is assumed to be legendary
for the purpose of this
sonic flare
Oh okay thank you
thorny solar
Owl is
One of the most complicated character I ever laid eyes on
Reading his abilities is like reading a modern day yugioh card
lofty needle
One of the most complicated character I ever laid eyes on
he very easy
get card
throw card
rare quest
playing secondary build as owl is considered cheating
lofty needle
throw more card and smite enemy with star
lofty needle
*playing secondary build as owl is considered cheating*
why?
rare quest
because it kills very fast
lofty needle
Idk
Its like
a 7 on the rediculous scale
Its no atomic dog
or monkey
or bunny
rare quest
true, not that level yet
lofty needle
or fox
proud shale
true, not that level yet
give it a week
rare quest
someone already destroyed a lobby with owl, it's not even a week
rare quest
if they could buff the primary build, I'd be happy
lofty needle
someone already destroyed a lobby with owl, it's not even a week
Why would you need a week to understand how to play a game we already have thousands of hours in
Its the same concept
read skills and apply as necessary
ocean carbon
OK how in tf does the owl work lol
ocean carbon
TY
junior sonnet
One time you're gonna put something else on your clipboard and forget
And that will be your reply to that question
lofty needle
Imma be honest this guide puts words to what I figured out my first run
I literally put all of this into action the first time I went through
feels good
proud shale
watching the dev broadcast on steam
no wonder things are unbalanced
lofty needle
is it bad?
fallen escarp
I'm gonna guess and say they die repeatedly, even when they're playing the new OP heroes.
lofty needle
I think owl could be buffed
fallen escarp
Don't give them ideas. You know they will.
proud shale
missing tons of shots and yeah
lofty needle
And the mech thing is crazy strong
fallen escarp
missing tons of shots and yeah
At what point in the run is this?
lofty needle
Don't give them ideas. You know they will.
It should be buffed a little bit not like a crazy buff
based on the pixels its act 1
fallen escarp
You've said the words "crazy buff" now that's all they can think about.
You've doomed us all.
proud shale
At what point in the run is this?
like first or second stage of act 2
fallen escarp
Jesus christ.
surreal sierra
lol
lofty needle
I always go down at least twice by 4th act
we need more difficulty
My win rate is getting too high
fallen escarp
We can't get more difficulty, things are too OP.
lofty needle
I need reincarnation 15
fallen escarp
No matter what they add to make things harder, either it'll be steamrolled anyway or they'll just make it easier later.
lofty needle
true its sad
gonna kill their own game because too easy
at this point I dont even need a gun
its just skill sim
fallen escarp
I'm looking at the dev broadcast right now, and 4 of them just died within 10 seconds.
lofty needle
or if I pick up a gun I dont need a new one the whole run
thorny solar
Jeez
Why is Nona's shield recovery so...different from everyone elses, lmao
fallen escarp
Unfortunately it wasn't all 4 of them at once.
fallen escarp
Jeez
Why is Nona's shield recovery so...different from everyone elses, lmao
She's what Ao Bai wish he could be.
thorny solar
Ikr
LMAO
fallen escarp
A small but competent shield.
Instead of the worst stats out of anyone, besides Bunny's recharge rate.
thorny solar
Idk why they made her shield like that out of everyone.
fallen escarp
If you managed to get reasonable shield buffs, like Good and Evil plus Paranormality, she could easily be tanky as fuck.
Even without Iron Wing distracting everyone or fixing your mistakes.
thorny solar
I feel like Nona is the new Li
Busted all around.
proud shale
clearly not enough according to the stream
fallen escarp
Man, the devs in the broadcast are getting creamed by the elite gathering.
No coordination at all, besides "See downed player, revive them".
proud shale
a while ago
thorny solar
Ah
fallen escarp
A while back.
proud shale
waiting for next dlc so we finally get hank
iron zodiac
I saw a rebirth thing when I finished a run. Is there a rebirth or did I misread it?
fallen escarp
waiting for next dlc so we finally get hank
Hank will never become DLC.
He is the OPness nirvanna that the devs always try to achieve, but can never quite reach.
proud shale
difficulty meaning "how op you can get"
proud shale
Hank will never become DLC.
He is the OPness nirvanna that the devs always try ...
dont worry after a few more dev streams well be there
i have not seen the owl use any of their skills yet
lmao
clear geyser
The star ring is kinda pog
fallen escarp
i have not seen the owl use any of their skills yet
Really...?
fallen escarp
So they're doing a stream to show off these new heroes... but don't actually show off what the heroes can do?
junior sonnet
I'm too busy bricking my opponents
proud shale
Really...?
yeah lmao
proud shale
missing tons of shots and yeah
act 3 stage 2 update
also yeah, the owl is weapon build
lol
fallen escarp
Oh, there goes Owl's Falling Star.
proud shale
nona easily is the best player in the group
coral crescent
Quirky how the new characters have like double the damage of the old ones here lol
wise oasis
did anyone figure out what Howl does on Wolf Gaze? Is it just an instance of damage?
wicked python
Pretty sure that stream is all pre-recorded just btw
distant idol
played the update, brick+27 my beloved. God I love this thing
wicked python
it was airing when the DLC released last night/this morning.
fallen escarp
Doesn't really matter when it was done.
What matters is what they did in it.
And suck they definitely did.
distant idol
also I’m sad new bird boi didn’t have an achievement for getting triple wildcard since I managed to pull it off 
wicked python
IDK I felt they did way better than loads of casual people I see stream the game lmao
distant idol
cool character, but I find myself often dying from paying too much attention to the slots rather than the enemy in front of me
wicked python
like, theyre at least nearing Act4 by ~40mins
fallen escarp
Did Owl man seriously just take a flamethrower to the face and think it was a good idea?
wicked python
compared to some streams I see people 2h into 3-1 🙃
fallen escarp
IDK I felt they did way better than loads of casual people I see stream the game...
Maybe, but it's still well below the skill required for the actual difficulty they're on.
distant idol
like, theyre at least nearing Act4 by ~40mins
I need context. Is this on R8? Fucking cracked if so
proud shale
Did Owl man seriously just take a flamethrower to the face and think it was a go...
they used their e on a random rock
wicked python
devs are rarely particularly good at their own games, kinda just how it goes
spend too much time working on it to double up on hours to learn how to also play it really well too
fallen escarp
devs are rarely particularly good at their own games, kinda just how it goes
But imagine if this is what the devs are using to justify constant buffs?
wicked python
I think ur lookin too deep, its just a run to showcase the new stuff
distant idol
they used their e on a random rock
okay but like missing all damage on the E gives it back to you, so you can use it again with better slots
wicked python
I mean dude the dog is running double justice counterviolence lmao
They effectively have 2 dead weight players so the DLC chars can carry and show off cool skills and new weapons.
proud shale
okay but like missing all damage on the E gives it back to you, so you can use i...
oh they arent even using the skill really
the owl is on weapon build
distant idol
o
the skill is cool but it’s damn hard to get used to
so I don’t blame the weapon build, especially seeing that the ascensions buff them pretty heavily
fallen escarp
They effectively have 2 dead weight players so the DLC chars can carry and show ...
Except the owl is still getting smacked to pieces.
civic tartan
So i just played the dlc. Nona seems busted
proud shale
yes
distant idol
mhm
fallen escarp
And even the Nona player is making certain unfortunate mistakes. I don't believe having a 2/30 Crimson Firescale benefits them.
wicked python
IDK theyre just normal folks
Like I said given the amount of casual coop runs I've seen on twitch...
this is definitely in the higher percentiles lmao
distant idol
IDK theyre just normal folks
clearly we can’t have any of that “normal folk” stuff, only true GAMERS allowed 
hot take, new bird is average overall, but rerolls make him good insane
fringe crystal
good feature
fallen escarp
You can make a Frenzied Shark shrine.
fallen escarp
But yeah... even though it's completely conspiracy talk, I wouldn't be surprised if the devs genuinely thought the high difficulties were still hard, and that was their reasons for the buffs in updates.
drifting path
I mean the r8 enemies deal pretty ridiculous damage in early stages when you don't have a build going yet
fallen escarp
Early stages are the only exceptions left.
But all of the buffs they make have the most power late in the run.
Like how they buffed a bunch of exclusive inscriptions.
Not gonna find many of those early on.
drifting path
It might also be a tinfoil hat theory but I feel like in general later stages actually have easier enemies
fallen escarp
Nah, that can be disproven with Daily Challenges which put all acts on... roughly equal footing.
drifting path
Like for example the elite spearman is the bane of my existence but I can deal with elite kappas and lobsters all day
unreal horizon
Thoughts on both characters: mid dps, panda self revive strong
fallen escarp
Hyperborean Jokul is pain in daily challenges, or at the very least used to be.
young oracle
The way lucky roulette is worded makes me assume I'd always want to leave a stage with exactly 1000 gold, or am I reading this wrong because I keep entering a stage with < 1000 gold. Am I just getting unlucky* and the highest digit is rolling a 0?
unreal horizon
Why owl is so mid for so much effort is funny
drifting path
The way lucky roulette is worded makes me assume I'd always want to leave a stag...
Let's say you have 2475 gold. In this case the game sets your gold to 2415 and rerolls each digit so you can end up with something like 6219
young oracle
Ah, it's the largest digit of any number place eh
unreal horizon
Turtle? Bash face against keyboard, win. Fox? Spiritual Flame, win. Tao? Weapon build, win.
Owl? Rotate cards, reload, shoot with 1 magazine to delete low rarity, balance card stacks versus having too many active cards, do mid damage
young oracle
still, three times I've gotten under 1k gold
drifting path
Yeah. So if you're rich you'll likely end up poor and vice-versa
young oracle
not so lucky
rare quest
if you're going for primary build, take fate thread and just gamble with it
drifting path
Turtle? Bash face against keyboard, win. Fox? Spiritual Flame, win. Tao? Weapon ...
I'm a big fan of turtle train build
Just get any speed boost you can and zoom with hurtle reset
Crash into enemies, grofit
pliant violet
LOL
unreal horizon
Turtle has so many builds that work that it literally takes effort to screw him up
pearl garden
Turtle has so many builds that work that it literally takes effort to screw him ...
I like the 
sniper noscope builds. Not his best but perhaps the most fun.
unreal horizon
Lemme guess, the enemies were given some healing bullshit
drifting path
64 total downs, half of the game was spent reviving eachother
unreal horizon
How many runs in multiplayer have I lost to flesh and bones, fire enthusiast, sanguine relic
pliant violet
dps was too low
pearl garden
unreal horizon
Protip don't get the enemies hp Regen or lifesteal or more hp
wise oasis
exclusive frame get
distant idol
Let's say you have 2475 gold. In this case the game sets your gold to 2415 and r...
wait I thought it just permuted it
like 2145 -> 4215
unreal horizon
I feel like panda slaps early game but has no scaling
drifting path
wait I thought it just permuted it
It's worded badly. Just like this whole update 
distant idol
I feel like panda slaps early game but has no scaling
scroll rerolls 
unreal horizon
And secondary damage is one of the worst
distant idol
It's worded badly. Just like this whole update <:princecri:761278486224437258>
wait so it just randomizes the non-One numbers?
damn
drifting path
No, it randomizes everything and sets the highest digit to 1
drifting path
So you can get something like this:
3254 -> 4414
8002 -> 1005
etc
distant idol
I’m just asking if “permute” is really “randomizes”
I feel like it is worded properly
rare quest
but anyway, Lucky Roulette and Extravagant Consumption is... terrifying, if you get it early
drifting path
I didn't play the game yet so i'm kind of guessing yeah
distant idol
but anyway, Lucky Roulette and Extravagant Consumption is... terrifying, if you ...
throw on the membership for good measure while you’re at it
drifting path
But the premise is pretty much the same. You get randomized money
rare quest
throw on the membership for good measure while you’re at it
would that be good, though? without membership, you always ends up with 500 copper, and usually after stages, you have about 1k
distant idol
But the premise is pretty much the same. You get randomized money
controllable* randomized money
if it IS a permutation
distant idol
would that be good, though? without membership, you always ends up with 500 copp...
nah membership is the 30% discount
deep ore
but it loosk to me like transcendant arsenal means you can powerlevel a weapon game after game
distant idol
well
drifting path
controllable* randomized money
You can't really control if you pick up the money or not. You just kinda vacuum everything and deal with it
distant idol
30% return
distant idol
You can't really control if you pick up the money or not. You just kinda vacuum ...
I’d actually disagree here
rare quest
30% return still affects extravagant consumption
deep ore
i kind of want to take a one-inscription tiger cannon and spend several games upgrading it
rare quest
so instead of 3500 -> 500, you get 30% of 3000 back, ending you with 1400
deep ore
it's like it's own challenge run. how many games can you get through without losing your superweapon
drifting path
but it loosk to me like transcendant arsenal means you can powerlevel a weapon g...
Nope. The level is set to be appropriate for the current stage
distant idol
so instead of 3500 -> 500, you get 30% of 3000 back, ending you with 1400
Doesn’t it still spend the initial coins though
deep ore
noooooooo....
drifting path
So no +100 mortar in temple for you
rare quest
it still spends, then returns it
deep ore
that would have been SO FUNNY
rare quest
you still get 3000 coins worth of extravagant
distant idol
it still spends, then returns it
Then it should synergize with consumption yea
deep ore
i didn't even want it for actually breaking the game, I just wanted a +999 single inscription tiger cannon/brick
for the funny
distant idol
brick
drifting path
You can still get a fully legendary weapon for example
distant idol
new favorite addition from the update 100%
drifting path
With enough red chest shenanigas
rare quest
get a party of 4 people to try getting Extravagant Consumption + Lucky Roulette in act 1, I wanna see the result out of that
I think that has a potential
drifting path
unreal horizon
Thoughts on star ring? Seems like a bitch to crit
deep ore
it seems like it'll be extremely good in spiritual assault
i didn't get to try it
but in maingame it's kinda tricky to use
distant idol
Thoughts on star ring? Seems like a bitch to crit
fun weapon, probably eh late game imo
distant idol
unless spamming elements
unreal horizon
So monkeys are probably liking brick yeah?
deep ore
what i wanna know is wtf wolfgaze is
drifting path
Might be a good meme if you roll fire inscription on it and do a fire build with Li
civic tartan
Do you guys go strike or fire mode for nona, strike seemed doodoo compared to fire for me
deep ore
hitting an enemy applies a stack of [named buff with no explanation as to its effect]. 6 stacks of [named buff with no expanation as to it's effect] triggers higher damage and a stack of [second named buff with no explanation as to its effect]
prime rose
Just started a brand new run with Nona secondary build and these are my first 2 scrolls
deep ore
does anybody know wtf "voracity" and "howl" are supposed to be?
distant idol
hitting an enemy applies a stack of [named buff with no explanation as to its ef...
I saw the aoe of that weapon
rare quest
Do you guys go strike or fire mode for nona, strike seemed doodoo compared to fi...
depends on build
distant idol
still don’t know what howl does
drifting path
does *anybody* know wtf "voracity" and "howl" are supposed to be?
Voracity is a damage amp. Howl is... Howl
unreal horizon
Honestly the wolf gaze just seems like another mid smg that shoots like a rifle
deep ore
im howling at Brick being a sniper-class weapon
civic tartan
depends on build
hmmm maybe i just got really one sided skills but strike seems abysmal. I was doing like 5k vs 80k on fire
drifting path
Oh wow there's already a brick emote
distant idol
more cracked then golden bow (the drop off I mean)
unreal horizon
I've had people claim Jet Spray is a top tier dps but I don't see it
drifting path
deep ore
no i'm not counting radglove because that was a misstep in execution not design
distant idol
no i'm not counting radglove because that was a misstep in execution not design
fuck
was going to say that one
deep ore
that said launch radglove was fuuuuucked up
i find it highly amusing that it was so divisive that they had to stealth nerf it through """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""bugfixes""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
several times
unreal horizon
Other than magazine what did this patch change about rad glove
unreal horizon
Like, not work with spore balanced?
deep ore
well, that's a spore problem, not so much a radglove problem
pearl garden
It's """balanced""" in that it's still the best element, does what the shock one does but better, and is way easier to aim than either of the other two.
unreal horizon
They could make it so only primary target gets spore like many other weapons
deep ore
still worse than rainbow in SA :>
frankly I don't even bother with spore. sure, it's easy, but wheres the fun in it?
distant idol
ngl
I don’t use spore
pearl garden
My laziness can't be bothered with the minimal micro the radio glove takes and also chooses the rainbow at times
distant idol
explain to me how
deep ore
SA kinda doesn't even need it because Extermination Shot is pretty much equal if not better
unreal horizon
Depends on what weapons drop, I'll use spore if I get a +projectile angelic aura
deep ore
except against elite/boss enemies
deep ore
...would it?
that doesn't logically make sense to me 🤔 unless spore mechanics changed again while i wasn't looking
unreal horizon
Angelic Aura actually contributes to DPS unlike rainbow or rad glove so
wise oasis
"divided by projectiles of both weapons and finally multiplied by 20."
viscid bridge
is it just me or this brick is freaking OP?
unreal horizon
Yes it marginally reduces the 30 stack damage but makes spore happen one tick sooner so it evens out
distant idol
what I’m hearing is that I’d have to use sub machine guns, and my special-ammo-loving-ass doesn’t care enough to try it out
deep ore
they could straight up remove it from the game entirely and I probably wouldn't notice it being gone
distant idol
what I’m hearing is that I’d have to use sub machine guns, and my special-ammo-l...
the only things my weapons will ever know is +CritX and Shared Elements
deep ore
sharemag is fun on some weapons too
wicked python
Qing Yan Reincarnation 8 is being showcased @ Games Done Quick right now: https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
deep ore
especially now that First Strike is a UNIVERSAL BONUS what the FUCK
unreal horizon
The new Gemini is just a Gemini nerf
distant idol
sharemag is fun on some weapons too
tru
unreal horizon
With all these shit Gemini we need a discount on Gemini etches and rerolls
unreal horizon
Still want my 25% ROF back from mag share
distant idol
Qing Yan Reincarnation 8 is being showcased @ Games Done Quick right now: <https...
lmao that’s dope
naive terrace
I had the new gemini and did 1.8 bil on the cat today with a crimson firescale I think its good gemini
hushed cape
are the ranged attacks from the fire mode on the robot missiles?
or do i need to get the specific upgrade?
unreal horizon
Did that speedrunner downpatch since the new one would fuck with his strats
hushed cape
forget about it, they are
pearl garden
Did that speedrunner downpatch since the new one would fuck with his strats
I mean 
got massively changed this update
jaunty venture
yes he avoided the newest patch on purpose
pearl garden
It'd be too new imo to broadcast a speedrun on current patch at GDQ. Better to have a patch that's familiar.
hushed cape
I mean <:QingYan:718719996745744394> got massively changed this update
were did he got changed? it doest apper on the steam post
unreal horizon
That scroll that gives 2 ascensions is pretty nice since you can upgrade it to enhanced to recycle it for 8 free levels total
fallen escarp
were did he got changed? it doest apper on the steam post
It does, just contracted in a little button.
unreal horizon
I assume if you can use a chest to sacrifice it you could pick it up twice too
hushed cape
what did they change on bird this patcg????
unreal horizon
Read the notes, it's long
hushed cape
were, i seen steam it doest say anything
cunning mica
almost back to 100%
fallen escarp
Try again.
unreal horizon
The patch that has the characters on it has a section for bird
there
I like how the owls preview shows a legendary Astrohouse with max ascension that gives tracking at level 3
Makes it look way better than reality
In reality you're in multiplayer act 4, you finally get legendary Astrohouse consistently, but the damage is puny and the width is small and everyone kills things before anything dies to it
pearl garden
Seems like people are doing card spam builds instead
unreal horizon
I'm pretty sure most of my Crown Prince smoke builds do better damage than that
pearl garden
I'm also still gobsmacked they made Death Mark only Cleave based. Altanna is somewhere going feral I'm sure.
unreal horizon
I don't really understand the card mechanics on how it decides whether the draw and shooting will be fast or not
Just the rarity?
Sometimes it fires like 1 RPM sometimes it fires 10 RPM and takes half the time to animate
Even then feels pretty mid
tardy bramble
so whats the current perseption on the new guns
unreal horizon
Brick is good, rest is whatever IMO
tardy bramble
because all i know currently is the smg is like A tier
and brick is S+ tier
i really dont know anything about the new "pistol"
fallen escarp
Makes it look way better than reality
Its blessing also sucks compared to other heroes as well.
+200% total damage and +1 use capacity, and something about Astrohouse quality upgrades.
tardy bramble
and the octo gun is really really weak
unreal horizon
Hmm I'd say wolf is probably worse than Scalpel
unreal horizon
Angelic aura isnt worse than scalpel
Demonlore early game isnt worse than scalpel
main forum
Its blessing also sucks compared to other heroes as well.
+200% total damage an...
And still RNG on getting a good astrohouse
tardy bramble
like a base scalpel is better than base AA
unreal horizon
No, a base angelic aura is better than a base scalp
young oracle
Explosive Hand is pretty good but it just turns owl into another li basically
pearl garden
Owl's primary seems really fun to build right but like...why bother when you can card spam
tardy bramble
owl is really good imo
unreal horizon
The primary does trash damage anyways
Even with a fully focused build it does trash damage
tardy bramble
like the primary can do alot of damage its just like li where you need to level an ascension that buffs his primary dmg immensely
unreal horizon
The best Owl primary is less than half of the best Li primary
tardy bramble
yea ngl thats true
main forum
Nona's immortal robot blessing in the meanwhile giving +500% or so dmg at the start of a run
tardy bramble
but well like
idk
because end of run li vs owl
its like 50 50 owl gets purple / orange slots
unreal horizon
Lis one shotting act 4 while owls just relying on his better scroll rerolls lol
young oracle
act 4 you can dump all your white scrolls it seems to get 80% yellow before act 4
tardy bramble
i'd argue owl is unironically more uselful than li
simply due to the fact that he can more reliably get his ascensions
unreal horizon
Eh questionable, Li has a debuff for the team, Owl has literally nothing debuff
tardy bramble
and he can turn worthless scrolls into potentially god tier scrolls
he can also reroll non discardable scrolls
unreal horizon
Owl can also brick his build permanently by rerolling a scroll into a run killer
pearl garden
Did someone say
young oracle
yeah it's funny how there's automatic astro drawing
tardy bramble
Owl can also brick his build permanently by rerolling a scroll into a run killer
somewhat, had something like that happen
main forum
Owl can also brick his build permanently by rerolling a scroll into a run killer
Cant he reset the scroll tho
young oracle
screws over his e build instantly
tardy bramble
rerolling it into the pick all options in a golden chest but cant drop scrolls one
isnt a run killer
but it cripples him immensely
unreal horizon
Cant he reset the scroll tho
If you reroll a scroll it locks it and you can't reroll twice
tardy bramble
i've rerolled worthless common rarity scrolls into legendary enchanced scrolls is amazing lmao
unreal horizon
I have rerolled into Deflection Shield and it locked it in my inventory
distant idol
rerolling doesnt lock it though yeah?
tardy bramble
im pretty sure it doesnt lock
distant idol
just strong overall
unreal horizon
If you reroll a locked scroll then it must be
distant idol
If you reroll a locked scroll then it must be
that’s probably it
tardy bramble
like im 90% sure rerolling a scroll doesnt lock it in your inventory unless you have the funny scroll that locks your inventory
distant idol
nah I can back you up on that
unreal horizon
If you reroll a scroll that is innately locked then it keeps the lock
distant idol
nah I can back you up on that
It’s why you can reroll ground scrolls too
like, you can hotkey the reroll for dropped scrolls or scrolls in chests
pearl garden
Can you reroll curses?
tardy bramble
If you reroll a scroll that is innately locked then it keeps the lock
well ngl if you find a locked scroll you dont want just dont pick it up
tardy bramble
Can you reroll curses?
no
unreal horizon
Never tried, not much reason to
tardy bramble
dont pick up the locked worthless scroll and reroll it on the ground
unreal horizon
What if you picked up the locked scroll because it was temporarily useful lol
tardy bramble
well most of them just break on their own
like glazed sight
or triple come back
just let them break on their own and dont try to reroll them
unreal horizon
Rational Consumption for example. If I get it act 1, it will be worthless by act 3
tardy bramble
it might be worthless but its not a run killer
like imagine rerolling it into devils covenant
unreal horizon
Right but that's why if the random scroll didn't turn into a locked scroll I would reroll it
vast sun
So, does anyone feel like this new dlc is the most overpowered character and the most overcomplex character side by side?
tardy bramble
So, does anyone feel like this new dlc is the most overpowered character and the...
nah monkey is probably the most overcomplex character by far
and li is still much stronger than nona
unreal horizon
Meh, I think the self revive is slightly overrated
pearl garden
I felt Monkey was pretty straight forward once you knew what the weapons did.
unreal horizon
The elites will kill your max HP robot in seconds before you rez
tardy bramble
on release monkey was so weird to understand
vast sun
the self revive is insane, the shoulder cannon is insane, the full invuln for your robot is insane
unreal horizon
Shoulder cannon is insane? Dps seemed ass to me
tardy bramble
Shoulder cannon is insane? Dps seemed ass to me
if you start with the invulnerable robot thing the character breaks
like thats the best i can say
vast sun
which means they proc every other "per missile shot" talent
unreal horizon
My robot would go to 1 hp from that but could still die I thought?
vast sun
and i think they even reduce their own cd because they count as missiles, but that needs more testing
tardy bramble
if you start a run with the upgrade that makes your robot invincible while you're up the game essentially breaks and all of its dmg will be broken
tardy bramble
My robot would go to 1 hp from that but could still die I thought?
i can only die if you die
vast sun
because it's damage reduction, it takes no damage
oh no i was talking about the reduced damage when taunting
that's overbalanced
unreal horizon
Well yeah, but the complaint is the robot reviving, not the robot surviving
tardy bramble
like to put it into perspective, i was just doing a normal reincarnation run, grabbed the upgrade literally first enemy i saw the robot hit for 10k
vast sun
i think she has multiple things busted
unreal horizon
Who cares if the robot is immortal if the elites ignore taunt and kill you
tardy bramble
Well yeah, but the complaint is the robot reviving, not the robot surviving
imo robot reviving isnt it, its the surviving part
vast sun
the spiritual blessing that gives damage based on health gives too much damage per health
the damage reduction when taunting is nice but overtuned
tardy bramble
Who cares if the robot is immortal if the elites ignore taunt and kill you
wrong, was playing earlier and first elite we found the robot taunted it for like 3 mintues straight
unreal horizon
I thought that too but honestly the damage by act 4 seemed pretty poor
The early game is dumb though
vast sun
the shoulder missiles counting as "missiles" proccing literally every other awakening is incredibly strong
pearl garden
the spiritual blessing that gives damage based on health gives too much damage p...
Wait isn't that just a reskin of Life Power for 
tardy bramble
i cant believe they bundled this weird character with a shoulder cannon with the invulnerable mech
vast sun
nope! it's 1% damage per hp of your robot, which goes up to 2k easily
life power on bai is limited to your max health, which is at max ~400?
unreal horizon
The most OP thing about panda is the 2.5s cooldown on shield and 50% shield recovery a second
pearl garden
Can get much, much higher than that but takes work and luck.
So hers is better got it.
vast sun
the shield recovery is also nuts
hushed cape
wasnt it suppose to release a new spiritual assault map with the dlc update?
vast sun
hers feels like 3x life power basically, also is frequently if not always max
unreal horizon
Honestly I feel like there's some sort of untranslated cap because it doesn't do nearly as much as the description says
vast sun
really? my damage skyrocketed with it
unreal horizon
I think I would notice 3500% damage
vast sun
i definitely noticed 1-2k damage
tardy bramble
like uhh, panda revive is strange
her revive is extremely strong solo
but pretty much worthless multiplayer
vast sun
panda revive needs to be way toned down. like, at max once per act
and probably on a cooldown
unreal horizon
Shit on ground? Dead robot
vast sun
if you're robot is dead, i really think you're doing something aggressively wrong
tardy bramble
if there are enemies alive especially in high difficulty multiplayer there are 2 things
pearl garden
Revives you but dies would be funny as a balance patch
unreal horizon
Elite cavalry kills 3000 HP robot in seconds from standing in fire trail
hushed cape
Revives you but dies would be funny as a balance patch
dont give them ideas
tardy bramble
and whats even worse that i came to learn
is if your robot is reviving you and your at 99%
vast sun
elite cavalry kills 3000 hp robot only if you don't reposition in fire mode, or taunt/damage reduction in strike mode
tardy bramble
and then a friend tries to revive you, it cancels the robots revive
which is strange at best
vast sun
elite cavalary only kills if it's still alive too, which doesn't last long with the damage of the bot
pearl garden
Elite cavalry kills 3000 HP robot in seconds from standing in fire trail
My turrets in RoR2 walking into voids like
hushed cape
and then a friend tries to revive you, it cancels the robots revive
now thats probaly a bug, because friends revive dont work like that
unreal horizon
More oversight than bug
vast sun
plus, imo at least, with how out of control builds frequently scale as you go further in the run, early game strength is significantly more important
unreal horizon
If that was true then Overconsumption would be BIS for all characters
But it's only BIS for half instead lol
vast sun
Overconsumption is incredibly strong though?
rare quest
Overconsumption is good if you don't need the hero specific blessing
hushed cape
More oversight than bug
they are the same though? something aint working as intended, it is a bug
vast sun
How often do you need more than at max 2 hero specific blessings
unreal horizon
they are the same though? something aint working as intended, it is a bug
They probably programmed player revive to overwrite because it's supposed to be "faster" but they didn't think about 99% robot revival
hushed cape
They probably programmed player revive to overwrite because it's supposed to be ...
it doest make sense cause it doest need, when 2 people are trying to aind the same person the player it doest reset, why would the robot do?
unreal horizon
The difference between a bug and an oversight is a bug is an unexpected outcome of different pieces of code, an oversight is intentional but not fully thought out
Issue with planning versus issue with coding
hushed cape
i would understand that being an oversight, if the revival mechanic didt alredy support multiple tries, why would they ever put the robot in a different cue
median dove
Hey all! Can someone explain to me how Zi Xiao's Frame unlock works?
it is confusing
what does the game mean by picking up scrolls of the same quality
unreal horizon
Pick one rarity and only pick up that rarity
median dove
Pick one rarity and only pick up that rarity
Does upgrading the scrolls count?
unreal horizon
Upgrading is fine, rerolling is not
median dove
I see
alsp what is an Astroaspect?
I want to complete the achievement of getting 200
in one run
hushed cape
alsp what is an Astroaspect?
its the scroll on the bottom
the bar shows the probability of the next astroaspect being aspecific one
median dove
Oh I see!
unreal horizon
When you use secondary it randomly generates a status based on your collection of scroll rarity. Match them to make the primary do more damage. Legendary does the most.
median dove
so to win my run, should I just pick up common scrolls?
or should I only pick up rares?
unreal horizon
You could choose to go all commons or all epics, that's probably the safest
median dove
alright i'll give this a shot tomorrow!
unreal horizon
You can pretty easily win with just miasma anyways on nightmare
Scrolls are just a bonus
fallen escarp
Astroaspects determine how powerful your primary skill is when you cast it.
fallen escarp
Yes, a slot at the bottom gets a scroll of a certain colour.
median dove
at the bottom i got a purple blue and yellow
unreal horizon
Purple does your normal aoe + a wider aoe pulse, legendary rains stars
median dove
i getcha, but what makes the achievement go up? xD
fallen escarp
If you get full slots of a certain colour (plus reds), your primary skill's power increases.
unreal horizon
They have to match to get a bonus, otherwise it's as good as empty
median dove
legendary is yellow right
unreal horizon
Yep
fallen escarp
The bar just below your primary skill represents your chance to get a match of certain colours, with your current astroaspects. The grey represents your chance to NOT match.
unreal horizon
I haven't done any steam achievements so I don't know what you are referring to
median dove
uh oh did I just hurt my chances btw? I got the goblet that gives me 4 scroll capacity
fallen escarp
That's slot capacity.
No it won't, if anything it'll increase your chances because you have more slots that can turn yellow.
median dove
oh can i still get progress with 3 yellows and 1 of another color?
unreal horizon
The more slots perk automatically rerolls the lowest, it's only bad if you are aiming for purple or lower
fallen escarp
Yes, because that 1 of another colour will turn red, which pretends to be other colours
median dove
oh i see!
unreal horizon
I don't like the more slots early game since I set my scrolls to rare upgrade
The occasional legendary in a rare set will not be fixed by that ascension
Probably would be best if they reprogrammed it to make the odd man out legendary into the wild card
young oracle
it's funny how you have to rummage through the UI to play owl optimally
median dove
ok how do I optimise my scrolls?
rancid rose
Bear was bricked to shadow realm
young oracle
meanwhile the team already clearing the level
median dove
do i increase my yellow scroll chance by using my ability?
unreal horizon
if you go to the occult scrolls tab he has a unique toggle on the bottom right
young oracle
in the menu (not overlay) you can force scrolls a higher tier
unreal horizon
Which allows you to set an upgrade plan for his scrolls
median dove
er i mean astroaspect, i call them scrolls due to UI
unreal horizon
Default is "Least Normals", early game I think Rare is best, late Legendary
What I referred to is about the aspects
It buffs the scrolls rarity for aspects based on the setting you choose
Not permanent btw
Just a toggle
You can see your odds of drawing common rare legendary cursed when you toggle them
jagged sedge
is internal force bugged? i have both nova shockwave and all for nothing plus a scroll from the setyet i dont have internal force
unreal horizon
Is Nova Shockwave level 3?
jagged sedge
it only has 1 level now
unreal horizon
The combos list level 3 is required + blessing
So blessing + level 3 + one scroll
jagged sedge
no as in nova shockwave only goes up to level 1
unreal horizon
Ohh
median dove
Okay after reading this: I hope I got this right.
So if I want to increase my astromeme chance of getting legendary, I want to collect as many legendary occult scrolls as I can?
unreal horizon
It used to be a 3 tier in February so maybe that's why it bugged
unreal horizon
Does the icon match? Cuz there was one patch where the hover over name was incorrect for like 20 fusions
fallen escarp
So if I want to increase my astromeme chance of getting legendary, I want to col...
Get as many legendary scrolls, and upgrade as many purple scrolls. Ignore as many blue scrolls as you can.
median dove
perfect, I'll do that in my proper run tomorrow then, ty
unreal horizon
I'd just collect all the scrolls outside of the achievement then trash / reroll the ones you don't need
jagged sedge
Does the icon match? Cuz there was one patch where the hover over name was incor...
yeah it matches
unreal horizon
Bummer
jagged sedge
oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯
unreal horizon
Since the weapon armory is locked to level 6 feels kinda bad for a primary yeah?
So does that mean it's better to have Gemini fodder and a couple of backups instead of OP weapons
Obviously tiger can still use lightning ball on crit with bolt from the blue
But most characters probably want weapon damage on weapons
fallen escarp
Since the weapon armory is locked to level 6 feels kinda bad for a primary yeah?
It's locked to whatever stage you're on.
Either level 4, 6 or 10... probably.
unreal horizon
Huh, weapons haven't shown up earlier than act 3 portal before boss for me
Honestly I hope people remove armory as an option because it removes the vault rewards lol
fallen escarp
You get a scroll from the challenge event.
It's not a 3 choice chest, but it's still something.
unreal horizon
I need to know if either of the new options impacts difficulty
Ascension fusion can be amazing with like Pyrodominance but most of the time it's pretty average
fallen escarp
Oh yes, it definitely impacts difficulty.
One lets you grab weapons with OP inscriptions every run, and the other lets you get ascensions you want which further improves your build.
harsh flower
It's never not a gain as you don't have to dilute your pool if you aren't offered anything good.
fallen escarp
Difficulty: 📉
harsh flower
And I've used it twice now for fire weapon shenanigans to great fun
unreal horizon
It's kinda a mixed bag if you have dedicated ascensions you need for a build. Brings up your average but increases your odds of not having your build get requirements
harsh flower
Yeah, but if you are missing essentials at the end of act 1 you can just not add anything
fallen escarp
At worst, you don't use it for high-roll skill builds.
At best, you improve your more generalistic weapon builds.
There is no downside unless you deliberately do something stupid.
cunning mica
is it just me or is this achievement bugged? just did a run and got multiple full astrohouses completely full of legendary astroaspects and didn't gain any progess whatsoever
unreal horizon
Was it from secondary or from reload/on hit?
cobalt dock
unreal horizon
Meme seems to be brick