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[main forum]

More cheaper rn

[cosmic karma]

ah alright thanks

[inland glade]

You can't say aiming for crits is a gameplay design exclusive to snipers

[main forum]

And I like these characters more

But your decision

[inland glade]

Because the Demonlore is very much not a sniper lol

[wicked python]

No, its just the lower RoF and higher base Critx

[tender token]

brick go brrrrr

[wicked python]

relative to, say, daggers which would be the next most similar

[inland glade]

The Demonlore is such a comically overtuned weapon

Had one that never had to reload cuz of inscriptions and scrolls, stacked projectile count on kills, had Projectiles +1 and stacks CritX every 4 crits for 10s

Then I also had Fish or Bear Paw

Think at one point I had over 50 CritX

[main forum]

Sounds like a fun run

[prisma monolith]

Achievement Guide for the new heroes:

Nona:
Shelter From Storm (Mecha Drop Taunt Enemies 500 times):

• Ascensions to upgrade: Kinetic Enhancement and Wood Armor
• Scrolls: Magic Watch, Flowing Time

Never Defeated (Complete solo Nightmare run and above without Iron Wing defeated)

• Blessings to get: Pair Of Us, Endless Assault, Ultimate Gambler
• Ascensions to upgrade: Heavy Modification, Wood Armor, Specialized Shield** (Avoid Suicide Device at all cost)
• Scrolls to get: Double Exhilaration, Flowing Time

Zi Xiao
Destiny's Choice (Obtain Legendary Astrospect 200 times)

• Blessings: Endless Assault
• Ascensions: Mirror Hand**, Persistance, Card Printer
• Scrolls to get: Double Exhilaration, Flowing Time, Magic Watch

Unwavering Preference (Finish a Nightmare run and above with only occult scrolls of the same quality)

• Ensure that you either have all Normal, all Rare, all Legendary... or all Cursed Scrolls only throughout the entire run. No mix and match

feel free to add

[alpine umbra]

god the bird is silly strong

[inland glade]

343m some rookie numbers

[alpine umbra]

yeah i don't know the synergies yet lol

[runic jasper]

Still trying to understand the birb

[alpine umbra]

also i went purple scrolls only for the chievo

[inland glade]

Don't worry neither does anyone else LOL

[alpine umbra]

bird is probably as strong as li?

[inland glade]

Also, it's possible that I'm just a complete moron (very likely), but I'm guessing that the <Type> Ammo scrolls are for specializing your builds to a single ammo type for more damage

So like, Lei Luo would want Special Ammo, anyone using non-Fire Tower swords would want Rare/Heavy/whatever they call it

[alpine umbra]

wait fire tower is meta?

[inland glade]

Not that I recall

The other 2 swords are much better lol

[alpine umbra]

oh wait misread lol

[inland glade]

Especially Poisonous Ghost, every time I get one early I hard carry R8

%HP true damage is fair and balanced

[alpine umbra]

yeah that one goes crazy lmao

[inland glade]

It's even more fun with Fish or Bear Paw, lets you charge waves twice as fast

That's just such a good scroll lol

[alpine umbra]

fish or bear paw is a stupid scroll in of itself lmao

that + merciless combo and you've got yourself a free win

and you can do so much more with it too

[inland glade]

Throw it on any Projectiles +1 Demonlore too

Gotta love 4 stacks per crit

[alpine umbra]

i found a really fucking silly demonlore couple runs ago

[inland glade]

you are like little baby

[alpine umbra]

holy nice

mine needs advanced depo to be stupid

[inland glade]

Easily the dumbest weapon I've ever made

[smoky crag]

@fallen escarpDoes the new mysterious dream modifier sjust make the game even easier

[alpine umbra]

ascension fusion makes it easier

interdependent fortunes, depends

wait are those new

idk i haven't played in a bit

transcendent arsenal is funny tho

[inland glade]

I've had Interdependent Fortunes roll the enemies with both Paranormality and Flesh and Bones at the same time

[alpine umbra]

lmao nice

[west sedge]

Does the new update have any way to increase difficulty beyond ascension 8?

[inland glade]

Good meme

[alpine umbra]

nope 😔

reincarnation 16 when

[queen oasis]

does interdependent fortunes give the scroll to enemies too?

[alpine umbra]

yea

[queen oasis]

oh lmao

[inland glade]

Aside from setting it to Lone Wolf 4 players, nah

[alpine umbra]

thought the effect is sometimes a little different

[wicked python]

you can personally handicap to increase difficulty via Fortunes

as there are some REALLY broken fortunes for the enemies

[alpine umbra]

yeah true

[west sedge]

Lone wolf 4 players?

[alpine umbra]

lone wolf 4 player is the prime way of playing tbh

[wicked python]

but normally you would just avoid them cuz theyre so difficult lmao

[inland glade]

Not really different, they just randomly spawn with them

[west sedge]

I thought lone wolf was only single player?

[alpine umbra]

nah i mean, some effects are altered

[inland glade]

Ah

[alpine umbra]

you can select the amount of players the game thinks are playing

[west sedge]

Holy shit...

[inland glade]

None that I've noticed, but also everything just buckles under my power regardless

[alpine umbra]

well some just don't make sense for enemies

[west sedge]

I only really play with my friend though unfortunately

[inland glade]

The only time I've had a problem was when an elite Arsonist spawned and had Flesh and Bones and Decay Driver lol

[west sedge]

shame we cant scale from 2 to 4 players with just two of us

[alpine umbra]

on a different note, this scroll is fucking broken

it overrides the 1 ascension for act 4

[inland glade]

I was about to ask that

[alpine umbra]

yep lmao

[inland glade]

I imagine that scroll can't be discarded

[alpine umbra]

i haven't checked tbh

[inland glade]

Because if it can, that's actually game breaking

Cuz you can just drop it before every goblet to have the full 3

And save it for act 4

[alpine umbra]

or give it to your friends :)

[inland glade]

True

We share around Hidden Transaction all the time

Same with Premium Membership

[alpine umbra]

yeah lmao

[inland glade]

And also Flesh and Bones for easy healing

Our tiger player always runs Flesh and Bones cuz then you can't lose Thunder Turbo stacks

Can't lose stacks on shield break if there's no shield to break.

[alpine umbra]

true tho

tbh tho, 5th level talent for nona seems kinda underwhelming

[fallen escarp]

Ascension Fusion can theoretically make it harder if you do stupid things and pick ascensions that don't synergize with your build, diluting your ascension pool. But what you'd pick is typically what you want, making it easier to get stronger.

Transcendent Arsenal gives you 3 backpack slots for reserve weapons AND lets you store and retrieve weapons between runs. Levels get reset, but inscriptions don't, letting you always take out and use that one OP weapon you found in another run.

So yes, both make the game even easier.

[inland glade]

I wonder how Lucky Roulette interacts with Extravagant Consumption, i.e which triggers first

[smoky crag]

Alright

Follow up question, where do the developers live

Lemme talk to em

[inland glade]

I'm going to tp their porch for the bird nerf

[fallen escarp]

I want to come along. We can talk to them together.

[alpine umbra]

we get: harder, more fun game
you get: our money

[drifting path]

How does steam refund policy work for dlcs? Do I get 2 hours of playtime as soon as I buy the dlc or it counts the playtime for the base game?

[fringe crystal]

So if you withdraw a gun for a run and you beat pole monarch, you can't save that gun again yea

Cause the only way to store them is in the last vaults of an act

[fallen escarp]

There's an arsenal stash at Pole Monarch, if I'm not mistaken.

[fringe crystal]

Oh sick

Do a run with ultimate fire arm, profit

[alpine umbra]

ya

though frankly, this makes trading weapons between players possible lmao

wts my demonlore for uhh

a silly illusion

or cloud weaver

[fringe crystal]

Yo were boutta set up a whole ass economy 💀

[unkempt jetty]

yippe 1billion

[alpine umbra]

abso fucking lutely

[fringe crystal]

2 hour run gahd damn

[main forum]

Took so long tho

[fringe crystal]

You can save a weapon as early as hitting the vault before the first boss right

You don't have to complete a run to save it

[main forum]

I dont know when the arsenal things start

But I do know its before the final boss

[alpine umbra]

as long as it ends up in the box when the run ends, you keep it

i found one in an act 3 vault, i think it can appear in act 2 at earliest

don't quote me on that tho

[fringe crystal]

Oh act 2?

Alright

[west sedge]

Anyone else have no idea how this owl works? The ability descriptions are difficult to understand

Actually, it would be more useful to know of someone who DOES understand 😅

I can kind of understand the abilities a little through playing them, but the ascensions just throw me way off

[tropic mesa]

From what I got, Zi Xiao Primary Skill works like some sort of slot machine that depends on the Secondary.

[alpine umbra]

you want to have "scrolls" of the same colour in the bar, when you have a bunch of them you use the primary

[tropic mesa]

Depending on the Occult Scrolls you currently have, the Secondary makes a color appear in one of the squares at the bottom. The better your scrolls, the better the color (blue is the lowest, yellow is the highest)
If you have at least three of the same color, you get a "Pure Astrohouse" (the bar above the square, that indicates the chances of getting a specific type Falling Stars. For example, if 1/3 is purple and 2/3 is white, you have 1 chance out of 3 of getting a Rare Falling Stars, otherwise you get an Impure Falling Stars, that deals less damage)

[alpine umbra]

but ngl, i feel like building for primary is both harder and worse than secondary

[lucid coral]

its really mediocre from my initial testing and im running armed caster, skill freak, exposive hand.

[tropic mesa]

Considering, however, that Zi can reroll scrolls, there's also a bit of luck manipulation.

[lucid coral]

the reroll is nice just very situational

[tropic mesa]

But yeah, I do agree it's... not that great.
The cards themselves deal nice damage, especially when you get the Ascension that makes them spawn automatically when your magazine goes down to 20%.

But having to depend on luck for your ultimate... eeeeehhhhh...

It's a character you'd want to play if you like gambling. lol

[alpine umbra]

it's a character you'd play if you wanna just brainlessly mash Q imo

[lucid coral]

you basically mash q pray you get three scrolls to line up for some extra damage

or you go the 20% mag route and just pray

[tropic mesa]

The chances probably get better in later levels as you find more and better scrolls, but early game is hellish.

[lucid coral]

go weapon damage

[alpine umbra]

i don't even use E, literally just get ascensions that boost card damage and capacity

also that one that allows your cards to overflow

[lucid coral]

early game is fine take skill freak/armed caster

you 1 shot everything

[tropic mesa]

Yeah, but I was trying on Nightmare, where you don't get Spiritual Blessings. lol

To check how powerful the character is by himself.

[lucid coral]

yea no you need blessings really bad

goes from succ to fine early game

[red glacier]

#game-announcements message

hotfixes coming in soon in case y'all are having some recent bugs

[lucid coral]

havent ran into anything game breaking yet

persistence, astro mag, arcane shot, card storm would be very powerful

[tropic mesa]

BTW, is "Xiao Jiu" an early name for Nona?

[lucid coral]

im not too keen on rof getting changed to extra damage

for the gemini

makes illusion on tao not viable unless it rolls rof on the weapon its self

[red glacier]

where'd you get that

[rare quest]

one of the spiritual blessing (?)

[tropic mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054739918544449546/1113746466415050813/image.png

The center Blessing, Exclusive for Nona, has that name instead.

[red glacier]

oh wild

@fallen escarp wiki trivia?

[lucid coral]

cards are interesting

[pearl bridge]

People are saying bird got a nerf? Wasn’t he already the objectively least op character in the game? Or are they talking about owl?

[rare quest]

bird

somewhat reworked

[pearl bridge]

What? Again?

How?

[rare quest]

posting the entire change would go beyond the discord character limit

[pearl bridge]

Hmm ill look in the wiki

[rare quest]

it's in the steam news update

#game-announcements

[lucid coral]

so cards at polar boss wont target the vials thankfully i had card storm

im guessing known issue

so cards aren't that great early game, ok mid game, then become very good once you get the scrolls to have 100% uptime on legendary cards

i dont think cards are that great unless you run explosive hand

[ancient bison]

I can’t decide if he needs explosive hand, or if the auto-card on hit ascension is enough on its own. I’m leaning towards needing since late game it fires all the cards at one unit. Fine for bosses on its own but super meh for everything else.

[junior wave]

auto card on hit is actually crazy good

[lucid coral]

when you hit 1600 for throwing you throw your entire stack in 2 throws with 32 cards

makes it pretty rough when you cant spread out your damage

yea i think its actually bugging out

its only suppose to throw 8

[steel gull]

idk how the owl works

he started performing when i picked up explosive hand though

#gunfire-videos as shown here

[junior wave]

can throw more than 8 if you have the one that shoots cards

[lucid coral]

its annoyingly hard to explain in a reaonable way

ah

might be my issue

[junior wave]

at that point it starts scaling with ROF

if my editing software stops taking a dump on me i can show a short clip

[lucid coral]

ended up saving my butt for the polar boss fight though since it didnt auto target the vials

[junior wave]

clip is up

cards go brr

[lucid coral]

im going to give my best shot at explaining owl boi, you have scrolls you gain at the bottom it stacks to three and they have different rarities. it would seem the cards that summon the scroll stack at the bottom if its wild/legendary/rare/common are the same rarity and do different things and gain different bonuses from the owls ascensions

[lucid coral]

^

so your trying to manipuate how that works essentially

[gritty flame]

ok the brick with crit gemini is doin numbers

[inland glade]

Yeah it's dreadful

[lucid coral]

also yea that thought occurred to me as well running persistence, astro mag, arcane shot, card storm

just consuming your scroll stacks for massive increased weapon damage

and machine gun throwing cards

[junior wave]

basically hybrid damage brr

[lucid coral]

yup

[junior wave]

star ring procing like crazy too

[lucid coral]

im not sure what to think about it the base damage is not that high

barely 1 shots reincarn 1 stage 4 bois

and thats with armed caster with 11.3 crit

skill freak

[junior wave]

its an item thats just fun to use honestly

probaly only pick up if you have good synergries like i did

it was a +1 projectile with spores

and i had victory rush

[lucid coral]

i kinda was expecting a full wild stack for his main skill to be better then it actually was

[junior wave]

its just a legendary with random stats

although no idea what the random stats are

[lucid coral]

yea

it seems to inflict random status effects

i did it a grand total of once realized throwing cards is better

[junior wave]

its cool to do but the rng makes star fall kinda doodoo water

[inland glade]

Wow just read the whole changelog for Qing Yan and that's embarrassing

Absolutely ruined

[junior wave]

also having the +1 primary is kinda redudant when u have to keep swapping for legend scroll

its off cooldown by that time

[rare quest]

you try to swap for rare early on

[surreal sierra]

I was so excited for Nona and my expectations were exceeded!

[junior wave]

all i get is blue da bu de da bu da

[surreal sierra]

Hope we get roles for new characters soon 😄

[rare quest]

Nona was fun on the last run I had

[junior wave]

nona having a rapid fire rocket launcher for gernades was pretty funny

[main forum]

Nona's very fun to play imo

[rare quest]

full missile build, and got the infinite secondary scroll and the rapid firing secondary

Multi Macross Missile intensifies

[main forum]

I went mech missile

Last run

[junior wave]

mr torgue would be proud

[main forum]

Who wants to aim the missiles themself

[wanton dawn]

I very much enjoy playing Owl I love the cards and such

[wanton dawn]

What did they do?

[surreal sierra]

yeah just did missile build too. Kept getting ascensions for it. Didn't realize how to change forms in first area for a little lol

[inland glade]

Completely gutted the All or Nothing + Nova Shockwave combo, try to push ypu towards using the vastly inferior Cleave build, made his keystone Leap ascension awful lol

[main forum]

I didn't have any idea how to do that either with my first run

[lucid coral]

buffed my wild hunt weapon damage shenanigans

[main forum]

Kinda just avoided missile mech ascensions because of it

[inland glade]

Imagine pushing people towards an All or Nothing + Nova Shockwave + Paranormality + Thunder Screen build with the Internal Force spiritual link and then absolutely gutting him when people have success with it.

[surreal sierra]

yeah I noticed somewhere it said use interrupt to switch and had to double check what that was binded to lol

[main forum]

Literally changed my binds because of it

[jaunty axle]

Man Nona is getting nefed.

[surreal sierra]

mine was in a good spot thankfully 🙂

[inland glade]

Without fail, in any game once I find something I truly enjoy the devs have to ruin it for no reason

[lucid coral]

sound like you play path of exile too

[inland glade]

Nope

[lucid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[wanton dawn]

Bruh I just read it…

[inland glade]

Also fortunately the one game that hasn't been ruined for me is Risk of Rain 2, but that's because the modding community does all the work for them and can undo Hopoo's terrible decisions

[inland glade]

I don't like anything about it tbh

[lucid coral]

me and my wild hunt

[glad iris]

doubt

[lucid coral]

im playing doom over here

[junior wave]

cleave buffs and leap being pushed towards being a utility skill

[inland glade]

Imagine making your primary utility instead of your secondary

[wanton dawn]

Not everyone likes that though, there should be different ways to build people

[glad iris]

The only one getting nerfed is

[lucid coral]

yea i dont agree with removing options

[inland glade]

Leap should have been left alone, the gunplay and Cleave buffs are fine

[wanton dawn]

Man I’m gonna stick with Owl a bit..

[junior wave]

aernt all the heros supposed to be designed to go through all 3 build paths

[inland glade]

Because as it stood, Leap was the only real powerhouse option

[junior wave]

weapon damage, secondary damage, primary damage

[wanton dawn]

Agreed, I did a cleave gun build yesterday

[inland glade]

It's like how you can do crazy gun damage builds, chain lightning builds, and Fatal Current builds for Lei Luo

All 3 are equally good imo

[wanton dawn]

The birb was too stronk I guess

[inland glade]

Magical Supply + Lightning Governor kinda broken tho

[inland glade]

Then dial back the scaling on All or Nothing and Nova Shockwave

That's it
That's all they needed to do

[junior wave]

its more of u needed to scale armor hard to make it work

since leap sucks without very specific stuff

[inland glade]

They buffed All or Nothing by a whopping 50% a few patches ago and are then flabbergasted when it does a lot of damage lmao

Wow it's almost like multiplicative math leads to some funny numbers, who would have thought?

[wanton dawn]

Yeah.. which I mean.. why does he need to be nerfed tho?

[inland glade]

Other characters can get similarly broken results

[junior wave]

cuz it did to much damage with certain scenarios

[inland glade]

So does everyone else

LOL

[wanton dawn]

And other characters can’t??

[junior wave]

thats the thing

[wanton dawn]

Welp it’s Owl time

[inland glade]

Except Crown Prince his damage is non existent

[junior wave]

leap is hit or miss on its damage

[glad iris]

wuh

[inland glade]

I've always found it quite consistent

[wanton dawn]

Same here

[inland glade]

And I've mained him for 200+ hours lol

[rare quest]

smoke build deals good enough damage to compete with the rest

[junior wave]

until the damage gets going leaping in might get u killed

[inland glade]

Sounds like a skill issue

Not leaping in is what got me killed half the time

The skill has i-frames

[junior wave]

im talkin about the people who willing leap into an elite bleeding arsonist and wonder where their health went

[lucid coral]

prince has all ways been the corrosion+fire combo goat

[fair oasis]

u tried that painkiller build

[lucid coral]

before that it was lightining for miasma

[wanton dawn]

I mean even if it’s not consistent then why nerf it?

[fair oasis]

that does insane dmg

[inland glade]

Just Gemini a dual Fang with a shock weapon ez

[junior wave]

im guessing its just design wise they really want it to be a utility skill

[wanton dawn]

Then don’t? Do that?

[junior wave]

meanwhile turtle does what bird does better

and is basically damage immune

[inland glade]

Ergo no reason to nerf/rework bird

[wanton dawn]

I don’t care for Turtle and I play Bird

[glad iris]

Bird is a meme

[wanton dawn]

Truth

[inland glade]

Oh well I'll just default to oneshotting everything as tiger, or bunny's blade of bloom

[junior wave]

mainly comparision of the design vision they do the exact same thing but only bird gets nerfed for some reason

[wanton dawn]

Even if he does it “better” the play style of bird I like more

[inland glade]

Also turtle look goofy af with those goggles

[wanton dawn]

Yeah Idk why.. when everyone else.. exists

[junior wave]

well yea same i just wanna drop kick stuff for all its hp

rather than fist people to death

[wanton dawn]

Lol

[glad iris]

He needs eye protection for how fast he can move. :u

[wanton dawn]

Speedy turtle

[inland glade]

Just close your eyes

Ez

[cunning mica]

got the level frame on r8 4 player lone wolf

[wanton dawn]

Man I love Owl

CARDDDSSS

[cunning mica]

new characters are very fun imo, especially when doing a nuke build on red panda

[inland glade]

Those cards cluttering the UI seems egregious

[wanton dawn]

YEET

[cunning mica]

it actually is 😭

[inland glade]

I would hate that

[wanton dawn]

Where else would they go tho?

[inland glade]

I like the whole rerolling/upgrading scrolls thing but like

[junior wave]

give owl one of them yu gi oh card holders t keep em organized

[inland glade]

Man he just seems like a headache

[gritty flame]

does dual edge apply to the panda's mech?

[wanton dawn]

Yes

[inland glade]

A duel disk

Or alternatively

CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES

[cunning mica]

I think so, I haven't actually checked but iirc it should apply universally to all of the characters damage

[gritty flame]

sounds fun

wonder if it takes extra damage though

[jaunty axle]

Owl is funny card man.

[junior wave]

mech scales off skill damage, and fire mode also scales with secondary damage

[wanton dawn]

Twisted Fate from League of Legends

[jaunty axle]

Especially during Spiritual Assult and you get an extra hand of cards.

[wanton dawn]

XD

[jaunty axle]

Owl should get a tp and a dope hat.

[wanton dawn]

Agreed, and maybe a stun?

[fair oasis]

fr

[lucid coral]

they already have reserve card stack under your secondary skill they could make the cards invisible or have a small symbol for the cards and just put the number of cards under the secondary skill like it is currently

then we dont have cards taking up 40% of the screen

[jaunty axle]

True, but pressing Q then seeing 80 for the first time is really funny.

Without any goblets just seeing 80 made me giggle.

[wanton dawn]

I mean I don’t mind it.. I think it’s fun seeing them all

[lucid coral]

i spammed the cards when i had 24 ended up with 300 reserved cards

[wanton dawn]

But maybe there should be a option to turn them off?

[inland glade]

Wouldn't be a bad idea if we actually got skins

[lucid coral]

mildly entertaining

[junior wave]

i just want to press q less when i have double exhileration

[jaunty axle]

Neither would I.

[lucid coral]

yea having a toggle to make the cards invisble and just adding the card number to the reserve stack under the secondary skill would be nice

[jaunty axle]

Map it to a different button-?

[cunning mica]

oh yeah btw if you are going for the panda's frame do not get the self destruct ascension, it counts as iron wing dying and will instantly remove the ability to get the frame for that run

[junior wave]

gernades always on q

[jaunty axle]

Yeah that'd be njce.

[cunning mica]

I learnt the hard way

[junior wave]

id perfer hold to keep drawing

[jaunty axle]

Also can we just talk about how Owl is just Gilgamesh?

[wanton dawn]

Who is that?

[junior wave]

something something you remind me of enkido

[inland glade]

I would have loved if they gave the owl a talent/ascension/blessing called Destiny Draw

[jaunty axle]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-smile-handsome-gif-14705837

[inland glade]

As a yugioh reference to Yugi's cheating

[wanton dawn]

Ahhh

[fair oasis]

isnt that the bunny

[wanton dawn]

WITH THE POWER OF THE CARDS

[lucid coral]

bunny is more gilamesh

[fair oasis]

or is the bunny unlimited bladeworks guy

[wanton dawn]

No the bunny is Riven from League of Legends lol

XD

[fair oasis]

honestly bunny could be both

[wanton dawn]

Agreed

[lucid coral]

people die when they are killed

[fair oasis]

[wanton dawn]

Correct

[jaunty axle]

No because bunny has to hit enemies beforehand and doesn't have anything but a straight line of murder. Meanwhile Owl can throw out Murder in an AoE.

[fair oasis]

you dont have to hit to charge ur swords

[inland glade]

Does anyone else find it weird that the character who literally has a sword on their back and has a sword-themed primary isn't a melee character, and instead mag dumps full auto weapons?

[gritty flame]

does nona frame saying "pass all stages" mean i gotta do monarch too?

[lucid coral]

i dont see a problem with this

[gritty flame]

cause i just left after the ship boss and didnt get it

[inland glade]

It's just thematically weird to me

[fair oasis]

i got it after pole monarch

[gritty flame]

oh damn

[fair oasis]

just get the immortal mech assention

and its really easy

[gritty flame]

ye ye

[fair oasis]

also its just op af for dmg

[junior wave]

its pretty easy since nona has self revives

[inland glade]

Just don't get where sword-wielding character = minigun user

[fair oasis]

you get like 2000 hp which is +2000% dmg

it might unirronically be the best spiritual blessing in the entire game

[spark vessel]

how tf does the new owl character work i dont understand at all

[fair oasis]

hes just like me fr

[gritty flame]

this to level 3?

[fair oasis]

i got it to lvl 1

and it was already 2k hp

because you get hp from assentions in general

[junior wave]

playing owl be like, go falling star build or draw 25

[fair oasis]

so honestly it can prob reach 3k

[lucid coral]

i like drawing 32 per secondary use

[fair oasis]

aslo that spiritual blessing is very i dont know I wish they were more specific

[inland glade]

My main question is

What weapon types do you want on the owl

Or can you just kinda use whatever

[junior wave]

ROF probably since you can cast cards per 25% clip size or something

[lucid coral]

brick, strike wing, combine crit armed caster for skill build

[cunning mica]

kinda whatever but for card draw builds I'd recommend fast firerate guns

[lucid coral]

or anything with 1000 rof

[harsh flower]

It's June. Playing Rainbow is mandatory

[fair oasis]

the kunai are prob good right

[lucid coral]

and machine gun cards out like your a billionare at a strip club

[junior wave]

forget rainbow, embrace star ring

[cobalt dock]

Octo gun is Rainbows bigger brother

[inland glade]

RoF guns

[cunning mica]

star ring is goated tbh

[inland glade]

Demonlore it is

[spark vessel]

is star ring good? i couldnt figure out how to make it actually do damage lol

[junior wave]

you "pulse" out damage with it

[cunning mica]

honestly I just leave it extended and have a little circle of death follow me

[junior wave]

its a weird melee ish aura type weapon

[lucid coral]

counter violence star ring BB

[spark vessel]

?

[unreal horizon]

I hope they add steam workshop so I can mod the Loli away

[fair oasis]

if this is litteral and it increases [ALL DMG] I guess she is litteraly a better oneshot sniper character than the tiger

[spark vessel]

what is counter violence

[junior wave]

it deals massive damage on initial hit and smaller dot damage if the enemy stays in it

[lucid coral]

+1 critx 50% chance to crit on non crit

[spark vessel]

initial hit like when you are pulsing it in and out?

[lucid coral]

makes anything that normally cannot crit insane

[proper narwhal]

hi uh...
I'm here to find out what the HELL is going on with Zi Xiao
I think I get the concept of the character, but it just seems extremely bad XD

[lucid coral]

or you want to be lazy

i wont judge

[cunning mica]

he is very confusing tbh, took me most of today to understand how he works

[junior wave]

yes you primary fire to expand the ring and then secondary fire to close it

[fair oasis]

also what do you guys think about the res ability

[spark vessel]

this is how i'm feeling so far too lol i can't figure out how to make him work decently

[fair oasis]

of nona

[prime rose]

Well he’s extremely good

[unreal horizon]

The opposite of what I asked for

[inland glade]

I'd like to completely undo the Leap changes to Qing Yan if we ever getting a modding setup for this game lol

[proper narwhal]

willing to give a little tldr? lol

[lucid coral]

hes very good you just need to navigate his systems

[junior wave]

owl is just empreror arcanist

[rare quest]

Owl is confusing to play

[prime rose]

Match cards, destroy the room

[fair oasis]

owl just seems like a weaker and more complex fox lol

id rather just shoot fireballs

[proper narwhal]

this.

[fair oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-goku-kamehameha-dragon-ball-anime-gif-19411049

[lucid coral]

or spam cards out randomly

[prime rose]

Reverse cards = room Clear

[rare quest]

it's not easy to match cards when you need to get 60% 3 times in a row, or your Primary does nothing

[junior wave]

fox cant reroll/upgrade scrolls tho 😩

[inland glade]

And to me fox just feels like a reskinned and less interesting rabbit

[harsh flower]

How dare

[fair oasis]

how is shooting a giant as fireball less interesting lol

[rare quest]

I like Fox (if my name isn't obvious) since I love using all resources into a single big fireball

[inland glade]

Because I could shoot hundreds of swords instead

[fair oasis]

this^

[junior wave]

i perfer weapon damage fox

ROF go BRRR

[rare quest]

Might be useless for several seconds after using it, but hey, big damage unga bunga

[fair oasis]

[harsh flower]

Pushing the Fireball Spiritual Assault feels great

[lucid coral]

when i can get the goblets for it, i have alot of fun with it

[fair oasis]

yeah its a lot of fun

[harsh flower]

Just this wave of death moving through huge crowds of enemies

[fair oasis]

and that one fire trail assention is really strong too

[inland glade]

I have a friend who mains the foz and it's definitely nice comboing her with the tiger and mind controlling entire rooms

[junior wave]

tfw no goblets

[fair oasis]

if you have a lot of energy regen you can put down like 2-3 fire floor trails

really fun to play fox

[rare quest]

why put down multiple fire trails
Use all 6 bars and create a single death zone

[fair oasis]

u can do both

if u have enough energy regen

[inland glade]

Alternative option: press Q as bunny once and blow up everything with Blade of Bloom

[unreal horizon]

Cuz it's zone 4 and you're competing to rush ahead at 400% move speed oneshotting

[rare quest]

time to do frame mission I guess

[proper narwhal]

seriously tho, I don't get the owl. Why would you spend so much time by trying to get a single decent primary skill activation?

[slate pawn]

Any opinions so far on the new Owl? OP,ok or mid?

[fair oasis]

so lets say you play the lotto

if you win i would say its pretty fire

[rare quest]

Literally RNG manifested

[harsh flower]

I've read OP and "worse fox". I am not vibing so far, but also first time playing on Steam Deck so everything is weird

[slate pawn]

[rare quest]

it's like other heroes, but the power difference goes extreme in both ways

[slate pawn]

i think i will focus on the Raccoon

[rare quest]

either extremely OP, or extremely useless

[slate pawn]

or go back to Qin

[proper narwhal]

also what the hell are these symbold

[unreal horizon]

So curses seem great on him at least

[fair oasis]

the owl is fun tho

a lot of fun

[rare quest]

their rarity are assumed to be upgraded

(in that image case, it's assumed as legendary)

[proper narwhal]

ah so this one is a rare, but counts as legendary

[rare quest]

yeah

[fair oasis]

But it just think the nona is so overpowered

litteraly thanos character

immortal

[rare quest]

it's for the astroaspect draw calculation

[fair oasis]

I don't know why the mech can revive her

[proper narwhal]

BTW is it just me or should you just not pick up common scrolls as the owl?

[harsh flower]

Yeah Nona might be contender for the most consistent single player character

[rare quest]

you can pick up common scrolls

[fair oasis]

you litteraly cant lose

[rare quest]

in fact, just take all the scrolls

[fair oasis]

like UNNIRONICALLY

cant lose

[rare quest]

Cursed, too

[fair oasis]

when a cc immune target with 2k hp is reviving u

it WILL

always revive u

its litteraly better at reviving

[harsh flower]

There is a scenario where both of you get rushed down at the same time and you failed to pick up any healing stuff for your buddy...

[fair oasis]

than other players

[proper narwhal]

but it makes the better skill chances smaller

[harsh flower]

Like I didn't win in my one attempt at spiritual assault

[fair oasis]

because its cc immune

it will never fail

[rare quest]

you get, like, two upgrade per stages

[fair oasis]

unless it was low from before hand

but if you have half a braincell the mech is pretty much always full hp

[slate pawn]

the scrolls can be upgraded, and also you can reset them for a chance of a superior quality

[rare quest]

this is the result of one of my Owl run

I literally take everything

and the chance to draw common aspect? 2%

[harsh flower]

Anyone figure out what "Howl" on the new gun does?

[junior wave]

alright boyos i was bored so

[inland glade]

Completely unrelated but:

Why the hell does Enhanced Glazed Sight retain its 'cannot discard' flag

There's no gimmick at that point that would warrant that

[unreal horizon]

Bro you know why

[inland glade]

No, I don't, because it logically makes no sense

The regular version sure, so you can't reset the hit count before you lose two thirds of its effectiveness

[fair oasis]

i wish the game let me see the spiritual blessing for the other gamemode

[unreal horizon]

Because they just copy pasted Glazed Sight when they made the enhanced scroll from being lazy duh

[glad iris]

Oh you can lose alright.

[fair oasis]

i want to know what the ones for the new characters are but i cant

[proper narwhal]

BTW how do you gain sscroll upgrades on the owl?

[inland glade]

But with the enhanced one dynamically scaling the bonus with HP there's no reason for it

[glad iris]

Especially in SA on the final wave.

[fair oasis]

SA?

[harsh flower]

Spiritual Assault

That wave got me too

[fair oasis]

well i just meant in normal mode

you are pretty much thanos

[glad iris]

Your robot will most likely get destroyed after reviving you.

[fair oasis]

in normal?

[junior wave]

its in the patch notes isnt it

[unreal horizon]

Does Owl even function in Spiritual Assault?

[fair oasis]

i just meant like in the game with the clean ui

[junior wave]

ah maybe one day

[fair oasis]

that simple

[heavy prawn]

ive been doing the owl for a solid hour now and he seems insanely complex and rng dependant but I do kinda love it

[fair oasis]

im still just waiting for a character that can teleport or fly

[main forum]

We have nona mech for teleportation

[quasi arrow]

One R8 4x coop?

[heavy prawn]

well nightmare rn

im working on learning him and getting essence to finish upgrading

[proper narwhal]

yeah so.
I like neither of the new characters
Owl is just way too complex and gimmicky to play actively
and Nona is OP as fuck

[alpine umbra]

rng stops being an issue in act 2 tbh, also don't play around their primary

[quasi arrow]

Oh, that can be a hour too

[alpine umbra]

play around the secondary

[heavy prawn]

No like

[fair oasis]

he sais nona is op af

[junior wave]

its more of a translation issue if you ask me

[heavy prawn]

my run isnt an hour

[fair oasis]

the understatement of the century

[alpine umbra]

i love nona lmao

[main forum]

Nona is just place down the mech

[heavy prawn]

Is Nona that op?

[main forum]

Wait for 5 secs

[proper narwhal]

yes, extremely

[main forum]

Walk into the next part of the map

[alpine umbra]

one blessing makes the mech immortal

[junior wave]

if u ask me nona is the ability

the mech is the hero

[main forum]

Just gets bonus dmg from actually having hp

[alpine umbra]

ya

and a LOT of bonus damage

[fair oasis]

when nona bumps into thanos. He appoligizes and gives nona his wallet

[main forum]

Nah nona herself isn't even that strong

[alpine umbra]

isn't that the single strongest %dmg thing in the game?

[main forum]

The mech's the problem

[alpine umbra]

since you can easily get 2k+ hp

[main forum]

How much is the increase again

[fair oasis]

yes it if is like is sais

[alpine umbra]

1% per 1hp

[fair oasis]

in the text

[junior wave]

well the thing is we dont know what the actual base damage is tho

[fair oasis]

implying that is ALL DMG

[main forum]

What.

[fair oasis]

than she litteraly

[alpine umbra]

yep.

[vapid crag]

First impression of owl is that I have no idea what's going on

[junior wave]

cuz 2000% of 0 is just 0

[fair oasis]

the best Sniper launcher skill ability elemental character in the entire game

i hope that its just missleading text and that its just the dmg of the mech if not

[alpine umbra]

idk man, i failed a run but the highest damage i've done is 12m

[fair oasis]

she is litteraly best any purpose character

[alpine umbra]

dead cuz i bumped into silly elites lol

[proper narwhal]

me neither, after 2hrs with her

[main forum]

I just had the mech in the front

[alpine umbra]

accidentally made them immortal with interdependent fortunes

[main forum]

And that's all you need to do

[junior wave]

r8 getting 1 shot speed run

[vapid crag]

Nona seems pretty powerful

[main forum]

Oops

[alpine umbra]

i cooked the vilest concoction 💀

[junior wave]

one minute you take no damage

and then u get smacked with like 300+

[main forum]

Part of why nona is so OP

[alpine umbra]

oh nah i survived for solid 4 minutes i just couldn't kill them

[main forum]

She doesn't even need to show up to fight the enemies

[fair oasis]

also im not really sure how proximity dmg works for the mech

[main forum]

Just come a minute late to every fight

[fair oasis]

Do you have to be close to the target or does the mech

[main forum]

And you'll still win

[junior wave]

nona gets unilimited solo revives

[fair oasis]

^

[junior wave]

[fair oasis]

you cant fail a revive

when its CC immune

and has 2k hp

[alpine umbra]

ya

[fair oasis]

litteraly better than actual players at reviving

[main forum]

Even if the mech fails by dying somehow

[alpine umbra]

and regens like 200 a second

[main forum]

You still have a spirit essence revive

[fair oasis]

because players can fail from cc

the mech never will

[junior wave]

even then ull probably have the ascension where if mech dies it respawns with no cd

[fair oasis]

you already have

the one where hes immortal

if ur alive

[prime rose]

This is pretty good

[main forum]

I don't really take suicide device if I'm just having the dude be a level 3 sentry gun

[fair oasis]

yeah its like u said mech can only die in spiritual assault

[junior wave]

oh ye if its fire mode u dont take it

[fair oasis]

in a normal stage there is simply not enough enemies to kill a 2k hp target

[junior wave]

strike mode suicide bombing is fun tho

[fair oasis]

and no boss has enough dmg to kill the mech

[main forum]

For fire mode the thing where it shoots 16 missiles on a 10 sec cooldown

And -1 sec cooldown per rocket/secondary skill hit

[junior wave]

or you can become the meech

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687195223666851868/1113812459531292762/image.png

[main forum]

Very fair and balanced

[main forum]

What

Is that

Shield bar

[rare quest]

depending on your build, that's not really good, or it's good

[fair oasis]

is that the fox?

[main forum]

I think its owl

[junior wave]

it was owl

[fair oasis]

ah ic

[main forum]

Or tiger

[fair oasis]

but even then right

[main forum]

Left most part shows white/light blue character

[lucid coral]

create bullet on crit hit with porcupine doesnt seem to work

[main forum]

I do love how all of the characters have these nice names but nobody actually uses most of them

[junior wave]

people go with the easiest one

that why nona is called nona

and not raccoon tanuki dog

[fair oasis]

idk i just feel like when you think of summoner class in games

their clear glaring weakness

is that if you defeat the summoner you win

but thats just not the case with nona

she has 0 weaknesses

[inland glade]

You think the average person is gonna remember Chinese names?

[main forum]

True

[inland glade]

The only reason I remember them is cuz I speak the language LOL

[junior wave]

on the other side they are like 3 letter chinese names

[slate pawn]

try to use the emote and you will remember them

[main forum]

It technically still is the cas

[prime rose]

Can Mech apply painkiller?

[main forum]

If you have your mech on turret mode and somehow manage to die

You will actually time out

[junior wave]

nona is op because her power is 100% uptime and no cooldown on revive

[fair oasis]

it comes chase u

in turret

[slate pawn]

they should add a limit of revives for the robot

[alpine umbra]

how tf do you swap modes for the mech

[fair oasis]

or a cooldown

how does it like

[junior wave]

they could just make it so robot dies

[fair oasis]

not have a cooldown

[junior wave]

and goes on 20s cd

[main forum]

Interrupt charging button

[junior wave]

as normal

[alpine umbra]

ahh cheers

[main forum]

I actually added a secondary keybind for that just because of nona

[rain vale]

So basically we have Moze in the game now

[main forum]

It has

For quick movement

[junior wave]

its more like someone brought their pet bastion

[main forum]

With a 13 second cooldown, infinite duration andmax of 3 stacks with a max 1 active

[junior wave]

the best part about this game

is theres still a dlc 3

[main forum]

Considering the power of the DLC characters

I'm not gonna be surprised when those characters are OP as heck at first

[junior wave]

most of the power creeped charcters are op

release tiger had fastest movement speed and insane dmage

meanwhile cat was slow as hell

[main forum]

To then be nerfed once devs realize the characters just clear stages by doing nothing except pressing E once

[junior wave]

3.0 move speed could barely do puzzle rooms

though its better to be broken on realease i think

[main forum]

I feel like most release characters are busted

[junior wave]

otherwise no one would play

[main forum]

Makes more people buy the DLC I guess

[junior wave]

theres other games i play where a character is underpowered on release and gets buffed like 5 times

[main forum]

FOMO + OP character impulse buy with only 10% off

[junior wave]

and still considered bad

while having the second highest damaging ult

[main forum]

Charge up or anything?

[heavy prawn]

also question because im confused

what does the Blue Buff do to Owl's Ult

[junior wave]

its dot damage fire circle that follows you slwowy

[heavy prawn]

Cause Purple does the massive aoe, Yellow does the StarFall. What does blue do?

[junior wave]

can walk out of it but if u were to get stuck in it ur health bar is gone

[main forum]

Blue is full normal?

Or is blue impure

[heavy prawn]

full nromal

[main forum]

Haven't even played the owl yet

[ancient bison]

Blue is normal, a weird pale grey is impure

[harsh flower]

Finally back at computer. Time to really test those new characters

[junior wave]

grey is impure, blue is normal, purple is rare, yellow is legend, red is "wild" which is just legendary with added effects

[main forum]

"Test" Nona, aka just sit at your desk with a bag of chips watching your mech shred through hordes never coming close to dying

[heavy prawn]

so from what im hearing

Nona is just Air Raider from EDF5

you can play one handed and still easily win

[main forum]

Kinda I guess

I mean you could play one handed

[harsh flower]

I've tried her on the Steam Deck but the small screen and no mouse just felt weird af to play

[main forum]

Buy you still need to press W or E every once in a while, as well as look around before pressing E

[junior wave]

too many button presses

wheres my auto play button

[main forum]

💀

You want release day Li or smt?

[junior wave]

need spore rainbow levels of broken

also the fact the brick is a sniper is probably the best thing ever

[rare quest]

[proper narwhal]

https://i.imgur.com/yHpaayT.jpeg
so this seems like an absolutely necessary thing for Owl.
you no longer need 3 legendary picks in a row, you can just get 3 legendary and 3 rare

[rare quest]

yes

and if you get the chance, you only need 1 legendary

[proper narwhal]

yup.

[rare quest]

which is why you want to be aggressive in scrolls

take everything

except maybe the FnB + Paranormality

[proper narwhal]

does the chance for normal astroaspects go down significantly later in the run?

[junior wave]

take it all

[rare quest]

yeah

[proper narwhal]

ok

and how do you earn upgrades? I couldn't fiind that

[vapid crag]

No overconsumption for owl

[rare quest]

I'm currently doing the frame mission with Normal scrolls only, see the chance

75% for Rare

[junior wave]

you start with 1 + 1 per acesnsion

[west sedge]

Howdo you upgrade scrolls in the owls backpack?

[rare quest]

you choose the upgrade strategy

[proper narwhal]

yeah how DO YOU upgrade the cards XD

[junior wave]

blessing in disguise gives two btw

[rare quest]

notice the purple icon

that means the scroll rarity is assumed to be Rare

[proper narwhal]

OH. The R3 thing that isn't translated from Chinese

[heavy prawn]

Oh so if it has the purple gem on it, it's assumed rare

that makes sense

[rare quest]

also, I just realized. Upgrading from normal to legendary cost 2 upgrade points

[proper narwhal]

so you get 1 upgrade point at the start of stage 1, 2 in stage two, etc?

[rare quest]

only got 10 legendary-upgraded scrolls with it, instead of 20 Rare-upgraded

[harsh flower]

So switching the mode just re-does the entire inventory?

[fair oasis]

i didnt check but can they double upgrade

[junior wave]

cant reroll twice

[rare quest]

literally the image above

[fair oasis]

like can a normal end up as legendary with enough upgrades?

[fair oasis]

nvm its right here

[proper narwhal]

this is the one thing I still don't get

[junior wave]

i just said u get 1 + 1 per acension

[rare quest]

you get 2 upgrade point

per stages

and 1 reset

[obtuse saffron]

Are these icons showing, when upgraded, which scrolls will be legendary? Or just the best chance

[rare quest]

yes, there's the yellow icon

[proper narwhal]

plus something for accessions you said?

[fair oasis]

im still not sure if taking everything is worth it

[rare quest]

no plus

it's from talent

[fair oasis]

pretty sure its still bad

[obtuse saffron]

Yes, so is it garunteed to be legendary when you upgrade one with the yellow icon?

[rare quest]

no

wait

you mean resetting?

[proper narwhal]

this. You want AT LEAST rare scrolls so you get as many legendary after upgrading as you can

[heavy prawn]

@rare quest do you know what the Blue Effect does to the ult? At this point i think it's just bonus damage but im, not entirely sure

[obtuse saffron]

Either or, the whole upgrade reset icons are confusing

[fair oasis]

not even sure about that I think you just want good scrolls

[rare quest]

it just does twice the damage

[heavy prawn]

ok yea I was right

[fair oasis]

even a rare that is useless is bad

[heavy prawn]

ok thanks

[proper narwhal]

the game says it hits twice, but that's not the case. I think it's bugged

[fair oasis]

you want scroll that give you thing you want

[rare quest]

it's not bugged, it does damage twice

[fair oasis]

and be very picky liek you are playing overconsumption

[bright quest]

reroll scroll for a chance at a differnt, better scroll

[harsh flower]

There is "Upgrading" which changes the assumed rarity and is indepentend from the "reset" (<- Reroll) which allows you to reroll a scroll with a chance to increase it's tier

[rare quest]

it's only assuming legendary rarity, if you reset it, it's still a normal scroll

[harsh flower]

I think

[fair oasis]

u just have to be picky with everything execpt legendaries

u can hoard all of those

[obtuse saffron]

So the yellow marked ones are treated as legendaries in the drawing?

Meaning you upgraded it?

[rare quest]

yes, for the purpose of calculating the chance of what aspect you'll draw

[obtuse saffron]

Got it

ok ty for explaining

[rare quest]

it's only for this

[obtuse saffron]

So you want to upgrade the ones without icons to get the icons you are looking for esstentially?

[rare quest]

no

ignore icons for resetting

when you reset, you just reroll based on it's original rarity

even if I reset this, it's still a reroll for Normal rarity or above

[fair oasis]

also what do you guys think about the trasncendent arsenal dream

personally not a fan

id rather have my scrolls

[rare quest]

eeh, not a weapon dmg build fan anyway

[fair oasis]

^

i feel like it could be really op for monkey tho

[slate flare]

you can keep upgrading a weapon infinitely with that no?

[fair oasis]

yeah

idk it seems like

not balanced at all

[slate flare]

i want a lvl 1000 brick on toiger

[rare quest]

someone said the level is reset

I haven't tested myself

[slate flare]

oh

[fair oasis]

that would make sense

[slate flare]

to like the level of the current gun when picking it up perhaps

[fair oasis]

its just for the traits

even then its still kinda lame

[rare quest]

but considering you still keep all those Inscriptions...

[fair oasis]

id rather have the scrolls

[slate flare]

yeah, ill leave it off too. its cool but also i want scrolls

[fair oasis]

i do like the other one tho

the fusion adds some spicy varriety

[rare quest]

Li with Pyrodominance

[last shoal]

does anyone know If I play pistol with nona and I have a fire and a corrosive weapon with the elemental share ascension will the mecha get both elements?

[prime rose]

Pretty decent run

[grand tendon]

How do man get the upgrades from the owl character?

[rare quest]

Wasn't the element share for the mech are for the element you DON'T currently use?

[fair oasis]

huh

yeah the element share is for you off weapon

[heavy prawn]

it def feels like the owl has a weak early but a dominating late

[rare quest]

his power requires having lots of scrolls, so yeah, he's a potential late game killer

[alpine sinew]

Quick question, what new map is there for spiritual assault? I haven't seen anything yet

[prime rose]

Most Legendaries ended up being good. I had 68% at the end on legendary and was spamming reverse cards left and right

[rare quest]

I usually go for high Rare chance, since Primary build with [Star Compass] blessing is great with it

[last shoal]

it says of the weapon not currently held by nona. but what if I dont hold both weapons and I just have my pistol out?

[prime rose]

Card Storm was pretty good too with kunai for nuking elites and bosses

[rare quest]

that's something people needs to test. I don't think I'd do that, since I'm more interested in Owl

[tight wyvern]

i might

i'm way more interested in nona than owl

[cobalt dock]

just got Projectile Stacking Star ring

anyone tried that?

[rare quest]

no

[slate pawn]

what i find extremely annoying of Zi is that i need to move my eyes down there t check the cards combination,and that may get my character killed by a simple distraction

[rare quest]

how was it?

[last shoal]

yeah I have no idea what owl does I got lost in reading her abilities and talents 10 times each

[rare quest]

what build?

[slate pawn]

im trying everything right now

[inland glade]

Special Ammo is a comically overpowered scroll

[slate pawn]

i found one that is just hold the left click

[last shoal]

is there an easy way of explaining wth is going on with it? 😄

[prime rose]

Haven't tried Primary build yet

[inland glade]

So you mean to tell me if I have a Projectiles +1 sniper, right

[prime rose]

But I'll keep that in mind

[alpine sinew]

There's a reddit post that explains owl in an easy way, check it out!

[rare quest]

I'm currently doing Primary build right now, and I don't bother checking the Aspect. I just cast it empty

[inland glade]

I consume 8 large ammo per shot for +96% Lucky Shot Chance?

[grand tendon]

How do man get the upgrade thing on the owl?

[inland glade]

Who thought that was okay?

[last shoal]

is it possible to give me the link? sorry for any inconvinience

[rare quest]

after stages

[alpine sinew]

No problem at all :D
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunfireReborn/comments/13xg0xd/an_early_guide_to_owl/

I read it earlier, it REALLY helps

[slate pawn]

i was thinking something like this for the UI,but i played little for Zi so could be useless

[cobalt dock]

holy, magshare is Total dmg

[rare quest]

question for that, does Mag share have cap?

[lucid coral]

i mean its good, id still rather have RoF for the utility

functionally no but im pretty sure your limited to two 160 mag weapons

unless you can roll 100% and 60% increased mag on a 80 mag weapon

[cobalt dock]

your total mag via share is the cap

where do you stash btw?

[rare quest]

well, that's still huge

stash weapon?

there's usually a vault on the last area before Boss in act 3 and act 4 (iirc)

and when you clear it, instead of the usual treasure chest, it has a dude

[cobalt dock]

thought desert was included

[rare quest]

oh, ok

so when you clear those vault, there's a red blacksmith-like dude near the end portal

[fair oasis]

im actualy not sure but I think lifesteal might work on the mech

[cobalt dock]

Surplus ain't shared anymore nooooooooo

[spare tinsel]

omg thankyou!!!! i came here looking for info on owl and bam first thing i see!!!! community is awesome!!!

[rare quest]

Yeah, Owl is definitely confusing. I already got the hang of it after... 2 hours+

[alpine sinew]

I didn't write the message so shout out to pvewaste on reddit for the guide!

[rare quest]

usually it only took like the first run

[unreal horizon]

Did anyone else get a Foundry elite vault?

[spare tinsel]

ive done 4 runs with owl and im still lost...way to many new words that are not explained

[alpine sinew]

The writing is so small I had to load up a game to properly see it

[rare quest]

The words are confusing, the playstyle even more

[alpine sinew]

"For her neutral special, she wields a gun"

[proper narwhal]

ok I just finished a run with the owl, and I found myself not using the primary skill at all. The cards themselves are EXTREMELY powerful

[alpine sinew]

And her gun wields more guns

[granite gust]

died after , mech clipped couldnt heal me

[granite gust]

she is the engie

https://tenor.com/view/sentry-engineer-tf2-team-fortress-gif-16118262

[alpine sinew]

I tried SO HARD last night to get a "hold secondary to spam rockets" upgrade, but I never saw it

looks awesome

[granite gust]

it was really fun, i do like hero a lot so i'll be maining her for a long ass while

[tight wyvern]

it's insane when you get 40 capacity from scrolls AND the blessings + upgrades that boost the damage on it

[alpine sinew]

I'm gonna be trying a "mech damage only" run soon

[granite gust]

that a good idea

do strike mode only too

[tight wyvern]

that's how i got my nona frame

[alpine sinew]

who needs nona when you got a chicken!

Gonna be calling the chicken Jerald and play them from now on

[granite gust]

sit in the back and the chickum do the work!

[alpine sinew]

His name is now Jerald

[granite gust]

Called my ChickenBT

[fair oasis]

also nona doesnt seem to have any unique spiritual links

[alpine sinew]

We don't care about her, only Jerald

[granite gust]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-bt7274-titanfall-gif-14796563

[alpine sinew]

there is only Jerald

[granite gust]

how i see jerald

[alpine sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-yes-good-job-you-got-it-yup-gif-14228768

This is what I see

[granite gust]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-king-chicken-parmesan-sandwich-chicken-crispy-chicken-fast-food-gif-23829768

how monarch see chicken

[alpine sinew]

JERALD NOOO

[lucid coral]

the primary skill is very weak even with a full set of wild/legendary it needs it base damaged tripled

[proper narwhal]

even then, I'm killing bosses in mere seconds just by spamming cards

it's just not worth using the primary skill, and caring about alinging the symbols

[stray lava]

how exactly does owl work the ability descriptions are kind of confusing me

[rare quest]

Owl primary build requires you to play not the way you expected

you don't setup for it, you just gamble it

I thought I want to do like keep the slots to 3 and try to get as many rare as possible

I do get the rare part correct

but mostly you just gamble it from empty

[lucid coral]

i mean you can basically get pure legendary/wild with explosive hand every time

[rare quest]

yeah, because explosive card lets you draw the same as the previous aspect

meaning you just put it in Legendary Most and you'll draw 3 legendary, even if it's only 20%

[granite gust]

In other words right now, play the owl like gambit the superhero

https://tenor.com/view/gambit-x-men-marvel-comics-fox5-gif-7476128

[rare quest]

but on primary build, you want to focus on a single rarity

[granite gust]

fling cards

[rare quest]

usually Rare Most

[lucid coral]

im probably just gonna take the fling cards approch with a fast firing weapon

[west sedge]

Its been constructing iron wing for about 5 minutes

[rare quest]

you may have gotten the bug

[granite gust]

i had the same thing happen too

[lucid coral]

how it feels to play owl early game

[west sedge]

is there a fix?

[granite gust]

sat there for 10 minutes

[rare quest]

nope, you lost the mech for the entire run

[granite gust]

LOL