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[proud shale]

yeah i am gonna wait for people to figure out what the hell owl does lmao

honestly both of the heroes for that matter

[inland glade]

man I'm REALLY not a big fan of the All or Nothing change for Qing Yan.

[red glacier]

birb update bad?

im not surprised

[inland glade]

they made it a spiritual blessing instead of an ascension talent

and the ascension talent replacement is comically bad

if it was overperforming, then why did they buff it some patches ago 🤔

[turbid heart]

How does Owl's scroll upgrade mechanic work? I can't figure out how to use it.

[inland glade]

not to mention it kinda defeats the whole purpose of that Internal Force spiritual link, which was all about using stuff like All or Nothing, Paranormality, Thunder Screen, etc

[turbid heart]

I would google, but it's a bit early for that.

[turbid heart]

I'm going to look at that as soon as I can, and I can't wait to agree with you.

[inland glade]

like don't get me wrong

they majorly buffed All or Nothing as a spiritual blessing

but locking that behind RNG and/or a Soul dump exclusive to Reincarnation is a questionable play

it's now 4% bonus damage per point of armor instead of 1.2%, and reduced cooldown based on armor consumed

which is HUGE

but it was fine how it was, don't understand the change

if anything I think the buff from 0.8% to 1.2% some patches ago was already unnecessary, if they wanted to nerf it they coulda just reverted that change lol

[red glacier]

huh?

[inland glade]

that's not confusing at all

[glad iris]

brick is a sniper weapon. lul

[inland glade]

it's actually classed as sniper?

[inland glade]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[red glacier]

DRAVEN

[bright quest]

HUHHHH

[red glacier]

wild

[inland glade]

that + Gradual Improvement sounds like peak comedy tbh

[glad iris]

Spray weapons are injectors right?

[fallen escarp]

It gets worse.

Since All or Nothing is now a blessing, the only guaranteed place to get it is in act 1.

Where All or Nothing was the WORST thing to get, because you have no recovery ascensions.

So unless you want to gamble on if you get it later, you'll be going through Longling Tomb with low Armor.

[red glacier]

li op? better nerf birb

[inland glade]

as someone who dumped soul for Ultimate Gambler I often managed to get All or Nothing super early anyways

fug it we ball

[fallen escarp]

But you didn't want All or Nothing early because it shreds your Armor.

[inland glade]

I did fine

[fallen escarp]

And you have nothing to recover it.

[inland glade]

it's when I also take Paranormality that I start suffering

but that's my own damn problem LOL

I tried it in 2 player difficulty on Reincarnation 3, took that + Ultimate Gambler

[glad iris]

huh

[inland glade]

and I found that even before getting Regen Hit by armor retention was overall fine

seems like as long as you are able to actually kill things, or you hit a large group

you get a good chunk of your armor back

so taking All or Nothing early is fine if you know what you're doing

but I still don't like that it's a blessing and not an ascension.

[inner ruin]

so its 6am for me and i stayed up to give the dlc a go
i do not understand how the owl works. like what

[thorny solar]

Is this the porcupine they're talking about?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[thorny solar]

Ah

[fallen escarp]

Porcupine now has its own exclusive inscriptions.

Only took them several years to realize.

[thorny solar]

Lmao

Finally

[jagged sedge]

how do you upgrade scrolls with the owl?

[inland glade]

All this confusion about the owl's really vaguely worded kit is so funny to me

That doesn't mean I understand it, it's just funny to me

Also, I have very mixed feelings about the Take It All scroll

On one hand it's really nice for solo runs but also

I play with friends a lot and I like being able to drop things for my friends from green chests

[glad iris]

Team cursed scrolls

[kindred rampart]

So uh... apparently we ran into a bug where the mech got 100% aggro on all elites and bosses.... so every boss was just... really easy?

[forest basin]

yoooo they nerfed rad gauntlet
actual nerf!

[inland glade]

They just better not touch Poisonous Ghost

[glad iris]

So did mag share gemini get buffed or nerfed?

[fringe crystal]

YOOO

[inland glade]

Goated frame

[vapid crag]

they nerfed bird so hard

[fallen escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Assume buff until further notice.

[inland glade]

Yes.

Honestly?
Considering not even playing him anymore.

[vapid crag]

yeah, time to move on to the second new bird

[inland glade]

I'll just play Lei Luo

Another character I consistently get 1 billion+ damage runs on lol

[fringe crystal]

i hope i have enough essence

[turbid heart]

Owl gambling is wild.

[fallen grail]

my profile got reset, does anyone know how I can fix this?

[mental mauve]

With the star ring I can finally play as old Aurelion Sol again

im at peace

[red glacier]

bad

ao shin is the true og asol

[red glacier]

make a post in #1060159100006178816

[obsidian scroll]

soo how does the owls upgrading work? I can't figure it out

[proud shale]

idk

im betting it doesnt work

[obsidian scroll]

lol

[fallen escarp]

Throw out cards until something good happens.

I dunno.

[proud shale]

ah

[granite gust]

reading owl's description makes me wish i stayed in school

[red glacier]

huh??

[analog zinc]

is the owl scroll upgrade bugged theres no button to upgrade scrolls even though i have 7 upgrades saved

[turbid heart]

I think so.

[pseudo mirage]

Is the Mech hilariously OP or is it just me?

[hexed lagoon]

so i think owl is just about getting 3 of a kind and then using E

I think

[turbid heart]

Owl gets more slots as the run goes on, but also gets better odds.

[hexed lagoon]

oh more than 3?

is that an ascension im guessing

[turbid heart]

I think it's from using cards.

[red glacier]

looping?

im lost

[turbid heart]

The more you throw, the more slots you get I think.

[proud shale]

you can keep weapons between runs basically

[fallen escarp]

If you find a perfect weapon, you can store it and use it on later runs, because balance.

[hexed lagoon]

oh gotcha, i never saw that in my one run

[pseudo mirage]

Most balanced thing this update is Nona getting infinite self revives with the mech.

[fallen escarp]

They wanted to let solo players feel like they were playing multiplayer, complete with never having to face failure.

[pseudo mirage]

I mean I did a 2 player run and it literally carried us through the game LOL

We both went down a bunch of times and each time mech just came to revive lmao

It definitely needs a cd

[fallen escarp]

But multiplayer has no cooldown, so this should have no cooldown as well!

[inland glade]

Instead of a CD it should be once per substage

That way you can't just stand there before a room waiting for the revive to come off CD

If iron wing revives you, it can't do it again until you go through the portal after the boss/room you unlock the goblet chest

Giving it a CD wouldn't fix anything lol

[fallen escarp]

At this point, do you really expect them to do literally anything that majority nerfs someone?

[inland glade]

Yes

They literally just did to Qing Yan

[fallen escarp]

Qing Yan is their punching bag.

[obsidian scroll]

what was his nerf?

[fallen escarp]

He's the only one who received anything that could resemble balancing, whether he needs it or not.

[inland glade]

All or Nothing is now a Reincarnation blessing and not a talent

And the replacement talent is really bad

[glad iris]

ascension*

[inland glade]

So now unless you're on Reincarnation and either risk taking All or Nothing early or you get lucky later on, the entire playstyle with Nova Shockwave and Thunder Screen just doesn't exist anymore

Which if that was overperforming, nerf AoN and NS directly

[prime rose]

Reading the description of abilities for Zi Xiao is giving me a headache. I'm too dumb for this

[granite gust]

Exactly bro

Shit made me think I have 10iq

[prime rose]

Time to yolo and just go without reading, because fk this

[granite gust]

I'm using a brick that's not complicated

[prime rose]

Is R8 still the highest difficulty?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[hallow drum]

Mech goes brrr

[tribal kindle]

can someone tell me what stages means exactly

for lucky roulette?

is it acts or rooms

[fallen escarp]

Runs -> Acts -> Stages -> Rooms

Multiple acts in a run, multiple stages per act, and each stage has multiple rooms.

[tribal kindle]

gotcha thank you

[manic stirrup]

curious with the new update. Anyone else playing with friends and have notice host switching to another player? I was hosting a lobby, started the match and then my friend got host when we got in.

[obsidian scroll]

hmm haven't hade that happen yet. thats pretty odd

[rare quest]

how do I read

[prime rose]

I gave up

[pseudo mirage]

I think that happened to us. Friend was talking about lagging even tho he invited me.

[pseudo mirage]

With your eyes, probably

[manic stirrup]

guessing a new bug? im just curious if its possible to avoid

[rare quest]

my eyes are not a microscope

[granite gust]

Astro is ingrained in my head now

[pseudo mirage]

I can read all of it just fine

[granite gust]

Can you tell me what owl does then

[tender apex]

i understand it kinda

[pseudo mirage]

Haven't played him or read his stuff yet

[tender apex]

but in practice no

[granite gust]

Might just wait for the wiki honestly

[pseudo mirage]

Play Nona in the meantime lol, much simpler

Missiles go brrr

Also vastly outdamages owl

[granite gust]

[pliant violet]

lol

[pseudo mirage]

Brick is just funny

[pliant violet]

that brick

[granite gust]

That brick is a menace

[pseudo mirage]

Can technically make it boomerang brick if you get one that returns ammo on miss

I wonder what weapon type brick is

[vale turret]

Special

[pseudo mirage]

Not ammo

[turbid heart]

What's the controller binding to switch Iron Wing's mode?

[granite gust]

Gonna play Nona and then go to owl and see the cluttered ass bottom hud gonna leave me in a coma after my brain goes overdrive trying to understand it.

[vale turret]

I would bet launcher, but haven't played monkey

[pliant violet]

Mecha is skill damage?

[pseudo mirage]

There is none, you just summon it with primary to targeted location and mech does the rest

[pseudo mirage]

Seems so

[turbid heart]

Wait, I found it, I think it's left D-Pad.

[turbid heart]

It has a turret mode.

[glad iris]

You can read it during a run as well via tab -> hero menu.

Much easier.

[turbid heart]

Middle mouse on K&M.

[rare quest]

yeah, I noticed that

[pseudo mirage]

Huh?

Have not noticed at all

I mean tbf, it does its job just fine auto firing

[turbid heart]

I think it's missile skills require it to be in turret mode.

[quaint maple]

bro the owl is so confusing wtf

[red glacier]

what?

[tribal kindle]

im guessing two choices but three rerolls?

[twilit chasm]

two choices and 3 times u can take both at once

[pseudo mirage]

Nope, uses it off cd any time possible

[red glacier]

woah

wild

wheel saw time?

[terse crow]

So a limited selection for the trade off of three free ascensions

[quaint maple]

how much cards can the owl have maxed?

[boreal stone]

how does owl work

[pseudo mirage]

The scroll for all choices from mysterious chests is also hilarious

3 cursed scrolls per chest ez

[terse crow]

Feels like they took what was left of the game's balance out back and killed it

[pseudo mirage]

Yes

I mean I play solo or with one friend, I'm all for the power fantasy lmao

[terse crow]

But hey at least I can throw bricks at people now lol

[fallen escarp]

They did that half a year or so ago.

[red glacier]

i love these

[pseudo mirage]

I got the bottom one, but I had immunity

[bitter schooner]

Does anyone actually understand how owl's abilities works

[terse crow]

That's gonna be fun the next time I play with my friends

[pseudo mirage]

...cards go brrr?

[bitter schooner]

besides that

[quaint maple]

So how do you get astrospects? it just says randomly?

[red glacier]

love this

dont love the second bit

[quaint maple]

Good those are useless

[red glacier]

NO

the second one was amazing for rainbow

almost infinimag

[glad iris]

That ammo recovery one wasn't useless.

[pseudo mirage]

Get hecked speedrunners

[red glacier]

oh we've been getting hecked ever since that rainbow patch

[terse crow]

I don't get how upgrading scrolls works for owl. Eventually every scroll I picked up seemed to have highest rarity and I don't know why

[obsidian scroll]

From what i noticed, you arent upgrading scrolls, your upgrading your card rarity chance? something like that

[terse crow]

But I thought card rarity was based on your scrolls rarity, and that didn't seem to be happening. I had mostly normal scrolls but my legendary card chance went over 50% still

[quaint maple]

whats the meter below the primary skill for owl?

[rare quest]

doesn't these two contradict each other?

[turbid heart]

Counts a card which has it's rarities determined by the types of scrolls you have.

[glad iris]

"Obtain [Astroaspects] randomly according to initial chance and quality of occult scrolls"

[turbid heart]

IIRC, the first skill only takes effect if you fill the full bar.

The second one takes effect when you use primary skill.

[fringe crystal]

88% fire tower off hand

what a nice combo

[pseudo mirage]

Yeah Mech OP

Swap out that primary for different element tho

[rare quest]

no, Persistance happens when you draw two different Astroaspect

so drawing Normal and then Rare will trigger it

[turbid heart]

Is there another skill that fills the slots if you cast primary?

I swear I had something going on where I'd get two things replaced by a wild card when casting.

[pseudo mirage]

Whoever made owl was definitely stoned out of their mind while making the abilities

[rare quest]

Owl is just early game hell

[turbid heart]

Yeah.

[obsidian scroll]

ya it seems like the more scrolls you have the higher chance you have for better cards? like the rairity of the scrollsdont seem to matter? I have no idea man..

[spark raven]

So many people on after dlc release

[quaint maple]

is normal least the best drawing probability?

[rare quest]

not really, not sure

[agile wyvern]

guys, I am not understanding how to get the Owl portrait.
I can't pick the scrolls up or I can pick, but until the end of the game I need to have all them the same quality?

[calm hawk]

Nona can just hide behind iron wing in early game. Mastery just makes you lazy. Everything just pops lol

[turbid heart]

Owl's ability to upgrade scrolls seems to be bugged.

[pseudo mirage]

The taunts on summon are also lovely

[ashen berry]

is this not the most broken thing ever released or am I crazy? My mech had like 2400 HP so +2400% Damage?

[pseudo mirage]

Yes.

Very broken

[ashen berry]

It would be good at even like 0.2%

[fringe crystal]

yep LMFAO

[pseudo mirage]

Should be every 5 HP like everything else tbh

[calm hawk]

I got that as well. At the start iron wing was smacking enemies with 1800 dmg lol

[terse crow]

I can't tell if upgrading scrolls is supposed to upgrade the actual scroll or the rarity it gives to cards

[fringe crystal]

then take the double ascensions

its so fucked

+100% damage per goblet

for 3 goblets

[pseudo mirage]

How does that give damage?

[fringe crystal]

every ascension you take your mech gets +50 hp

[pseudo mirage]

Oooh

[fringe crystal]

1 hp = 1% extra damage with Paif of us

[pseudo mirage]

That part I know and used lol

Was telling my friend when I got pair of us "No shot they unironically put this in the game"

[quaint maple]

so according to playing with owl a little, astroaspects determine the strength of his primary by how?

[pseudo mirage]

Yes.

[rare quest]

upgrading scroll is actually upgrading the rarity

like these icons means they're contributing as legendary scroll

[obsidian scroll]

i know 3 of a kind or more will do the star blasts

[rare quest]

I feel like Rare Most is better strategy, but that depends on your scroll list

[terse crow]

Apparently if you upgrade a scroll from effective split you can discard the scroll

[rare quest]

also Owl is great with Kunai and those 1-ammo weapons, because "Astrological Magazine" works with it

[fringe crystal]

my bad its 40% per ascension

[rare quest]

I'm wondering if ATF works too

[fringe crystal]

i read wrong before

[dreamy narwhal]

am a little at a loss personally as to how the bird fully works

[quaint maple]

owl is broken

changing scrolls is so strong lmao

[agile wyvern]

i am pretty confused too.

[dreamy narwhal]

is upgrading scrolls done manually?

what exactly does it yield?

[agile wyvern]

from the text, you can upgrade the normal scrolls to rare quality for example, but it doesn't change the effect.

someone said it's bugged.

you can't upgrade right now

[obsidian scroll]

ya its eiter bugged or worded very bad and you cant upgrade but instead do something with the cards.

[agile wyvern]

right now you can only reroll the scrolls

[rare quest]

you don't Upgrade it technically

[obsidian scroll]

I feel like it must be a bug. otherwise why would it be mentioned in the scroll page with a picture of a scroll next to it?

[rare quest]

you just make their rarity to be something

*usually legendary by default

[obsidian scroll]

oh so its only for a psdo upgrade to help buff your cards?

[rare quest]

yeah, in theory

in practice, it's absolutely trash

you want to set these to whatever makes something to highest percentage

don't care if it's normal or rare, just make ONE thing have the highest probability

[red glacier]

damn if people thought monke was confusing on release

[agile wyvern]

from what I gather, if you have a good amount of a certain type of scroll, the cards you pick will be that quality

that's why you can upgrade the scrolls without changing the effect, but only the quantity in your bag

[rare quest]

Owl wants to streamline his entire scroll to a single rarity

[agile wyvern]

yeah

[rare quest]

Rare or Legendary, whichever

probably great in MP, cause you can just throw out Legendary and only keep Normal and Rare

cause the chance is horrible

[pearl garden]

Did they increase the range of Rainbow autofire or am I just dreaming

[obsidian scroll]

hmmm ya i just tested. Its completely to do with that ya. only buff the probability to get better cards not actually upgrading scrolls, just converting them to appear as that rarity for the purpose of cards

[pearl garden]

It feels like it autolocks slightly further now

[tight wyvern]

lightning katana works on iron wing, neat

[red glacier]

if that is the case

and it's not intended

please pretty please under no circumstances should you tell the devs

we already fucked ourselves over by very clearly explaining the RoF glitch

[pearl garden]

It's not a big increase if it is one. Might just be me being dumb tbh.

[red glacier]

yeah for sure dw bout it

[pearl garden]

I'd say it's about from here to the pillar.

16 reloads to get fire elemental cube kill me

[red glacier]

you're playing monke?

new characters are out

hell, a purple character is out

and you're playing monke?

[tight wyvern]

monke king

[red glacier]

fair enough

point made

[quaint maple]

goku would be proud

[pearl garden]

And? Lots of new content is out. I want to try Brick M o n k e first because I'm thinking it might be funny with Counterviolence

[unkempt jetty]

Whoever made the chicken riding mecha, thank you, this is catered towards me

[red glacier]

ah fair

[fringe crystal]

@fallen escarp translation error? even if not gramatical error?

crit hit with pistol

pistol(s) or foundry?

[unreal horizon]

Why'd they nerf gemini magazine

"Now multiple players can give aid at the same time" isn't this a bad direction

[glad iris]

Does it work with pistols?

[lunar bridge]

most likely pistol, the weapon type.

[fallen escarp]

There are translation and grammatical errors everywhere.

[red glacier]

it's always been heading this direction

dw bout it

[lunar bridge]

she has another ascension that increase movespeed with pistols.

[pearl garden]

From what I can tell:

Brick + Counterviolece
Cugel crits don't give the Brick its bonus, but you can manually fire a brick to get the bonus and have Cudgel benefit from that manual shot for a while. Eh.

[unreal horizon]

Connected Mind watering down the normal scrolls LOL

seems like they added a lot of trash to normals to make normals less good

[glad iris]

Still depends on its rarity.

[lunar bridge]

first strike and battle scarred are now general blessings. huh.

[glad iris]

Each normal/rare/legend scroll has its own rarity within its pool.

You'd see some normal scrolls more than other normals.

[unreal horizon]

yeah but it was a strategic advantage to hoard normal scrolls to increase the odds of other normals

and the legendary pool looks even worse now

looks like the meta might be rare targeting in occult chests

[quaint maple]

they made the game easier?

i swear the legendary scroll that gives guanteed 2 legendary scrolls is overpowered lmao

[glad iris]

With every patch the game becomes easier.

[quaint maple]

is there a cap for the cards in the reversed? i got like 180 rn

[prime rose]

I honestly have no idea what I'm doing with owl

But I just 1 shot the worm

[quaint maple]

yeah owl might just be the best character in the game lol

[hexed lagoon]

e or q damage is good for owl?

[quaint maple]

q

[prime rose]

Usually either one is good for all characters

I'm playing with Q now

[quaint maple]

with enough ascensions you can spam q to have cards in reverse and it DESTROYS

[prime rose]

Also, I just noticed "Battle Scarred" is no longer exclusive to dog

[quaint maple]

i really think theres no cap on the reserve cards lmao

[fallen escarp]

Get Capacity Overdraft. I'm sure nothing can go wrong with that.

[red glacier]

gotta be one of the best scrolls in the game ong

[boreal stone]

i got capacity overdraft my first run and it was pretty fun, but I still dont know how he works

[quaint maple]

when you use your q, you get an astroaspect (you get 3 at the start). the color of the astroaspect determines how strong his primary goes

[delicate herald]

Just 200 years the bear with Nona. Just clap your hands and your mech just nukes him. 10/10 what where they doing in play testing?

[fallen escarp]

Figuring out the best way to let us have ""fun"".

[boreal stone]

that part I get but sometimes i get 2 astroaspects and sometimes I dont get any? is that a blessing I picked up?

[quaint maple]

Yeah im not sure that part. i spam q to win with him atm lol

[rare quest]

Owl primary build is painfully hard to play

Secondary, I would assume, would be way, way easier

[boreal stone]

primary u have to match colors and it feels way too hard

[delicate herald]

Oh and I also two shot the serpent, found my new main. Nona foreva

[sly mountain]

So owl feels very underwhelming

[rare quest]

For primary build, yeah

[sly mountain]

Nah just in general

I had literally unlimited cards and was struggling to kill things

[rare quest]

It's so bad that increasing the amount of slots means harder to get better Falling Star

[quaint maple]

not enough skill dmg, my card build was doing dmg

[boreal stone]

me too but thats anecdotal

[sly mountain]

Maybe? But I had a lot of skill damage ups

[boreal stone]

im getting deja vu from the first DLC. Monkey was too hard for my brain, owl is even harder.

[red glacier]

that's a first

[boreal stone]

I love monkey though, so who knows

[sly mountain]

Maybe my luck was just bad

[boreal stone]

i picked random ascensions and still cleared pretty easily

[red glacier]

the mark of a good character

[patent badge]

My first run with Zi Xiao was the exact opposite, managing to hard get Legendary Astroaspects with certain ascensions and luckily getting skill damage scrolls throughout.

[boreal stone]

anyone get stuck with this motion sometimes?

[red glacier]

medal?

[boreal stone]

yea

but i mean the hand thing

ill cast it but then it wont go

i think its because it cant find an enemy to lock onto but the skill still lets go even if it doesnt find an enemy sometimes

[patent badge]

(Likely because of maxed out Mirror Hand and maybe Last Star that bad Astrohouse rolls continually got cleared out to boot along with Explosive Hand adding on more damage)

[tardy bramble]

yo real quick, is nona's frame bugged?

because i just finished a run with her and the mech never died once

and i didnt get it

[quaint maple]

do you guys use the mech melee or fire mode?

[fringe crystal]

Was it in nightmare or above

[tardy bramble]

reincarnation 1

[lunar bridge]

has this blue inscript ever gave a dmg boost?

[patent badge]

Zi feels like a reverse Li almost, with Card Practice mirroring Practice Makes Perfect only instead you're working towards getting your Secondary Skill / grenade online instead of Primary.

[fringe crystal]

Fire mode is better if you're building the missile blessing

[glad iris]

Star Ring is a SA weapon.

[fringe crystal]

Otherwise melee is superior

[quaint maple]

best way to describe this weapon

[tardy bramble]

like im gonna assume its bugged with this spiritual blessing or sum

because i went down a few times wont lie but each time i came back up iron wing was never knocked down

[patent badge]

Star Ring was absolutely a help having to get pesky Lightless Shield buffed enemies shutdown too.

[boreal stone]

does the mech do weapon damage or skill damage

[umbral arrow]

havent bought the new dlc, is it worth it??

[patent badge]

(also really nice against Explosive Lantern Spirits too lol)

[lunar bridge]

skill damage

[quaint maple]

so far i would say yeah. owl is very good and mech girl is fun

[boreal stone]

thanks

[patent badge]

Real quick but did Nona's early name get left out by accident here? ("Xiao Jiu")

[jovial slate]

So uh, since rad glove got nuked, what's the new "de-facto" weapon to go for?

[patent badge]

or is that the name of the baby chicken piloting Iron Wing shgjfsg

[lunar bridge]

no, that's her chinese name

[tardy bramble]

probably

[jovial slate]

I always went straight for rad glove element synergy but they kinda annihilated it with the removal of the m2 reload mechanic, so

[tardy bramble]

alot of chinese names are still in with new update

[patent badge]

Ahh, that makes sense.

[tardy bramble]

like the name of the weapon keeper

[umbral arrow]

what about the weapons? From what ive seen they dont look so good

[tardy bramble]

is in complete chinese

[tardy bramble]

of the 4 i've used

[fallen escarp]

Rad Glove.

It still has a higher magazine, longer range and better AoE than Rainbow.

[tardy bramble]

the smg is great

[umbral arrow]

which is the smg?

wolf fang thing?

[tardy bramble]

yea wolfs gaze

the octopus is pretty meh

[jovial slate]

So they nerfed it in all the wrong ways

[umbral arrow]

alr

[quaint maple]

wolf fang is good, idk about the octopus, brick seems iffy and weak imo and star ring is only good for AOE

[tardy bramble]

the brick is S tier easily

[lunar bridge]

just a thought, are you playing solo?

[tardy bramble]

brick is really fun to use and really good

[umbral arrow]

the brick seems like a meme weapon

i looked at it and i immediately doubted its ability to even HIT an enemy

[tardy bramble]

yea (but bro with iron wing it feels like im playing duo lmao)

[jovial slate]

Brick being a meme weapon and simultaneously high tier would be the funniest thing they could ever do in this game

[quaint maple]

but then again i had some weak inscriptions brick might be good 🤷‍♂️

[tardy bramble]

brick is unironically extremely high tier

[jovial slate]

That's so dumb lmao

[tardy bramble]

i love it so much, brick my beloved

[umbral arrow]

ima buy it later ig

seems fun

[lunar bridge]

and you finish the run on act 4 boss?

[pearl garden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-CmkhsdbX0

[tardy bramble]

yup

[patent badge]

How do you switch Iron Wing to Fire mode btw, only thing I'm confused about so far sghjs

[umbral arrow]

nahh what is he doing?

double brick?

is that new meta?

[lunar bridge]

hmmm, maybe it's the blessing then.

[tardy bramble]

like idk, i hope its not the bless and its just a bug that it wont proc

because that blessing makes that challenge possible to do

also i want a 4 man game of 4 nona's

[umbral arrow]

am i meant to be lvl 163 without unlocking reincarnation because i am clearly dogshit at the game

[tardy bramble]

like 4 nona's is straight up just 8 man game lol

[jovial slate]

[umbral arrow]

🤫

[tardy bramble]

either way really like this whole dlc and patch, only issues so far is just that one achievement bug

[umbral arrow]

[tardy bramble]

and the fact that both of the new characters are extremely op

played owl then nora

[harsh flower]

I'm reading the patch notes and I'm just confised. Someone explain owl to me please

[tardy bramble]

thought owl was the most broken character by far

[red glacier]

last DLC had that too

[red glacier]

so uh

[umbral arrow]

wait noras ability is summoning a robot thing right?

[tardy bramble]

then played nora, iron wing punched the first enemy for 9500, i knew it was gonna be a good day

[tardy bramble]

ayo trueee

either way probably not gonna attempt either of the frame achievements since the nora one is bugged im just gonna assume the owl's frame is bugged too

[red glacier]

I heard you like Astrospace, so I put some Astrological Astronomy in your Astrospacial Astroaspects to Astronomize your Astronomical Astrospacial Astroaspects

[umbral arrow]

word

[pearl garden]

Ask someone with a PhD in metaphysics and watch them struggle to explain owl.

[red glacier]

literally the primary skill description

[umbral arrow]

WHAT

[patent badge]

Figured out Fire mode: it's the same keybind for cancelling certain weapon skills! (i.e: Dragonchaser altfire)

[umbral arrow]

🫗

[quaint maple]

spam q to win.

when you use your q, you get an astroaspect (you get 3 at the start). the color of the astroaspect determines how strong his primary goes

[red glacier]

TWISTED FATE

[umbral arrow]

🦐

[pearl garden]

From what I can tell you basically just spam your secondary skill and try to match the symbols to be the same color

and if they're the same color the primary does better damage in weird ways

[harsh flower]

Is there a skill component to "matching" or just rng?

[pearl garden]

Was random when I tried but I think there's ways to manipulate the symbol colors through what scrolls you pick up/other means.

Dunno.

[umbral arrow]

[quaint maple]

rng, but it gets better on the amount of legendary/rare scrolls you have

[lapis panther]

just beat reincarn 8 with Zi Xiao first try but like... i feel like i still don't quite understand how his whole thing works. someone explain to me like i'm 5 please lmao

[harsh flower]

Yeah I figured that you want more scrolls of the same rarity and that you can reroll rarity

[umbral arrow]

[sturdy glen]

hi there, congratulations on a new DLC

[umbral arrow]

[patent badge]

The skill portion is minmaxing which rarity you want while still getting the best mileage out of your occult scroll selection.

[umbral arrow]

🤝

[harsh flower]

Got it.

[glad iris]

Is Star Ring a pistol? haven't checked ingame....

[umbral arrow]

🦐 ⤵️
🔥

sad

[harsh flower]

I mean. The whole question is meaningless because why would I ever not play a red panda or a fox.

[quaint maple]

yes

[prisma monolith]

can anyone tell me what is astrospect, astroforcast, astrohouse? i don't get all the astro-terms for the owl

[lapis panther]

i believe forcast is your grenade, but that's all i really understood lmao

[quaint maple]

astroaspect is the 3 or more boxes that contain scrools. astroforcast is the q ability

[pearl garden]

Can't dual wield star rings which is too bad I wanted to play doggy bumper cars

[umbral arrow]

time to beat terraria

[prisma monolith]

so to get 200 legendary astrospect, i have to get all 3 legendary cards... 200 times? wow

yeap im doing that achievement

[rare quest]

good drawing prob

[patent badge]

Astroaspect is Zi's Primary, Astrohouse are the three cards that get selected depending on all your scrolls, located at the bottom of the GUI everytime you use secondary.

[rare quest]

Astroaspect is not the primary, it's Falling Star

[patent badge]

Ah oop thanks for the correction sghjs

[prisma monolith]

now im confused haha

[red glacier]

ao shin in gunfire ayo???

[rare quest]

This is Astroaspect

[patent badge]

ye!

[quaint maple]

i was able to get legendary falling star without having all legendary scrolls. (ascensions i guess?)

[harsh flower]

Primary: Big and has cooldown. Secondary: smol and spammable.
Not necessarily intuitive

[prisma monolith]

then what is astroforcast lol

[harsh flower]

Is this not a Astrohouse with 4 astrospects?

[rare quest]

oh right

[prime rose]

Secondary

[stable nova]

anyone know what the mech scales with? skill dmg or weapon dmg?

[rare quest]

Astroaspect is 1 of those aspect, Astrohouse is the entire box (the house)

[prisma monolith]

ah got it. owl is quite a word salad to read

lol

[patent badge]

ye sgsghjsfg

[prime rose]

Skill it seems

[prisma monolith]

Nona's achievements are easy to get

[patent badge]

It will definitely make more sense though testing Zi in-game for the first time.

[quaint maple]

is there any way to get rid of this? treasure chest?

[prisma monolith]

yeap

[patent badge]

I imagine so like other undiscardables, yeah.

[stable nova]

ty

[quaint maple]

its a must pick then lmao

[prisma monolith]

for the owl frame, I have to only take all normal scrolls, all rare scrolls, all legendary scrolls (or all cursed scrolls) and not a mix

did i get it right?

[harsh flower]

[Card Master]: +20% Weapon and Skill DMG for every slot.
This seems to be a text error in the patch notes. Anyone got that ingame yet?

[red glacier]

i think you can upgrade the rarity of scrolls you already have so they fit

[dreamy narwhal]

what's ascension fusion do?

[bright quest]

is there a youtuber who would make an in depth guide for owl

[harsh flower]

https://www.youtube.com/@TheOriginalMako Probably

[quaint maple]

"[Ascension Fusion], you can use Ascensions from different heroes to create unique BD."

[harsh flower]

The only Gunfire youtuber I know. Good player with wildly varying quality of takes on game elements 😄

[quaint maple]

idk what BD means but from the look of the definition it looks really interesting

[red glacier]

@dusk berry

[quaint maple]

bd is bizzare dream*

[red glacier]

check out SlightRNG

great stuff

[harsh flower]

Thanks

[bright quest]

ty

[harsh flower]

Ohhh. Tier lists. I love getting angry at tier lists

-50% movement speed of enemies hit by water column and +100% Crit hit DMG taken.
Hold the fuck on. This is for everyone hitting this enemy in multiplayer?

[fallen escarp]

Theoretically, yes.

Debuffs tend to do that.

Unless it's Death Mark.

Because Birb can't have nice things.

[harsh flower]

Happy Lei Luo noises

They just deleted All or Nothing. Wow.

[glad iris]

They didn't

It's a blessing now

[harsh flower]

Ahh. Hadn't reached that part yet. Fair, I guess.

[glad iris]

All or Nothing and Unstoppable Momentum roles got switched.

[main forum]

And the leap blessing is a goblet now

[fallen escarp]

That being said, they did delete Armor Break builds in non-reincarnation.

And if you want an Armor Break build in reincarnation, you're going to have to go through Longling Tomb while constantly breaking your Armor with almost no recovery.

[main forum]

Armor break leap should be stronger though

[main forum]

Better hope you get armor recover leap or cleave with your first goblet

[fallen escarp]

Exactly.

[quaint maple]

i died like 4 times and the robot kept reviving me O_O

[main forum]

Otherwise it’ll be a very risky first stage

[fallen escarp]

Longling Tomb is also the point in the game where you're the weakest.

[main forum]

Wait robot revives?

[fallen escarp]

So you're weak on top of frail.

[quaint maple]

yep

[rare quest]

that's the best probability I've ever seen

[main forum]

Sounds balanced

[fallen escarp]

It is balanced.

About as balanced as multiplayer revives are.

[harsh flower]

Wait what. What is that Upgrade Strategy thing there?

[main forum]

Solo run nona’s much better now

[rare quest]

it's the preferred rarity upgrade for Owl

[main forum]

So I want to upgrade to or from purple?

[rare quest]

It doesn't upgrade it literally

it just assumes the scroll as higher rarity

[main forum]

That’s what I mean

[rare quest]

Early game, I'd say Rare Most

then it's based on your build

[main forum]

Then to legendary mid-late game?

[rare quest]

Not sure yet

I'd say Normal Least is better for Primary build

[mighty tide]

Am I allowed to mention other games here?

[main forum]

Considering you can upgrade purple to be considered legendary

[rare quest]

but maybe Legendary Most can be useful for other build

[main forum]

#other-games

[mighty tide]

No, I mean the gif he sent

[queen oasis]

artisan+magician gud/fun?

[main forum]

Though you can prob reference other games once or twice

[mighty tide]

reminds me of a character from other game

yep

[rare quest]

Owl is... ugh, hard

[main forum]

Haven’t played a lot yet

[rare quest]

haven't played the other one yet

[queen oasis]

actually scratch that: are they fresh?

[main forum]

Artisan seems fun tho

[queen oasis]

like unique

havent actually looked at what they do lol

[main forum]

Probably can just go AFK with the robot on strike mode

[queen oasis]

not lookin for a description

[rare quest]

very unique

[queen oasis]

dope

[rare quest]

good or bad, on your opinion

[mighty tide]

This seems like Aurelion Sol's ult

[main forum]

Owl has his funny scroll based math shit

And nona has a big robot

Haven’t figured out how to consistently switch the robot config tho

[rare quest]

Owl primary build is, I'd say, the most RNG build I've ever seen

it's also very hell early game

[jovial slate]

I forget, what level does a weapon have to be before etch instantly gives it gemini?

[rare quest]

5

[main forum]

We love gambling

[jovial slate]

ty

[quaint maple]

owl is the definition of gambling

[rare quest]

He's definitely the definition of gambling

[main forum]

If you have a gambling addiction buy the DLC and play owl

[lunar bridge]

lmao

[solemn sleet]

the second dlc costs money i assume?

[main forum]

Owl do be like that

Wait

Does the owl upgrade count for that one achievement

Have 5 or so legendary scrolls at once

Or smt like that

[lunar bridge]

unfettered will changed from rare to legendary

[main forum]

Yeah, for his primary skill

[rare quest]

yeah, and there's no more cap

[lunar bridge]

it still has its enhanced version, right?

[harsh flower]

Finally I have a use in multiplayer:

While knocked down, deals damage to enemies within an 8m radius per second (damage increases with lower max HP); +15% teammates movement speed and -30% revive time.

[main forum]

Paranormality with that skill

More dmg with 1 max hp

Though it prob actually is total max hp

And no max hp

[spice mist]

bruh i do not get this owl character at all

[harsh flower]

The legendary "Paranormality + Glass Cannon - Lie on ground and murder everything" build

[spice mist]

okay so astrohouse

is that the bar on the bottom

[rare quest]

best start ever

[spice mist]

which one is the astrohouse bro lol

[rare quest]

bottom

[harsh flower]

Ohhhh.... New Magazine capacity gemini is nice for demonlore.

[sweet forum]

damn, lovin' these new characters

pulled out 500 cards at once with owl guy tonight lol

[spice mist]

so whats the bar in the middle then

[sweet forum]

from what I've seen, it's just what ur ult is gonna do

if you fill the slots with legendary charges (you can see your % chance on the scrolls menu) you get good ult

[jovial slate]

..Wow, I genuinely have no idea how the owl character works at all

This is so confusing lmao

[lunar bridge]

shrine of recovery has been changed too.

[sweet forum]

I love how techy it is

[rare quest]

game is trolling me

[glad iris]

Basically was changed into the enhanced version

[sweet forum]

yeah, that's basically how I pulled 500 cards :P

[rare quest]

I already pulled beyond 1600 after 1st boss

[sweet forum]

nice

but that's the cap, you can see how many cards you have pulled out under your secondary skill (it'll appear as a red number I believe)

actually I have no clue what that 1600 stack is

[carmine thistle]

I don't get these new scrolls, so take Special Ammo, I get 400% more ammo capacity or 400% more ammo for special weapon if I use large weapon ammo?

[sweet forum]

just noticed it didn't go above 1600

[quaint maple]

isnt it that cards just home on enemies faster?

yeah

[sweet forum]

ah

[rare quest]

no, it makes them fire multiples at a same time

instead of one by one by one

[lunar bridge]

huh. Nona's Talent 3 Lucky Magazine seems to work on auto-reloading 1 mag size weapons. (tested with brick)

[heavy prawn]

SO, how fun is the owl

[spice mist]

wow so u really need to get all cards matching

[heavy prawn]

i plan on running him as soon as I can get the dlc, i just cant rn

[spice mist]

for his primary skill to do anythign

thats so awful wtf

first glance this char seems super mid

im sure his ascensions make up for it tho

[harsh flower]

I think you use additional ammo of the other type to boost your current weapon

[carmine thistle]

ooh!

yeah just noticed that it ooked ammo from on reserve and mae the attack stronger

[fathom vessel]

does anyone have nona's spiritual ascensions on hand? in a game right now so i can't check it in the menu lol

[rotund plaza]

I'm running Owl with Star Ring (new weapon) and I'd say they suit the cards build.

[fathom vessel]

thanks!

[rotund plaza]

going to stage 4

[main forum]

All of em seem pretty good

[fringe crystal]

so far pair of us is good

ive yet to test missile, i reckon its good because of her

[main forum]

Fire coverage with a secondary skill + fire mode build is prob pretty decent

[fringe crystal]

idk about same boat, it sounds okay

[main forum]

Except I cant seem to manage getting the bot into fire mode

[fringe crystal]

use action cancel button

[sweet plover]

I'm currently using same boat, it pretty good lol

[rare quest]

"Obtain the same [Astroaspects] as the previous slot through [Astroforecast]"
You know what would be good? If this is actually on the Primary skill build related where it's actually needed

[fringe crystal]

use this to change mech

[main forum]

Thanks

Prob gonna switch the keybind for it

[lunar bridge]

oh. the secondary effect is new.

[main forum]

Brick

[patent badge]

uh don't think this is supposed to happen

(🪱)

It's incredibly cursed learning all this time that Desert Worms can just walk if dislodged from their resting spots 😭

[rotund plaza]

first time sub-40

[tawdry skiff]

1.1 Bil damage, cards go brrrr

[rare quest]

now do primary build

[tawdry skiff]

🫡

[rotund plaza]

primary build eh

[rare quest]

aww yiss

[sour night]

how are the new charas?

[lunar bridge]

checking with the CN description, it says it scales with Total Max HP, not Max HP.

[rare quest]

Owl house

[glad iris]

🧐

[alpine umbra]

did a r4 run since i haven't played in a while, what a fun fuckin character that red panda is

also got a silly demonlore

still need to learn how to play that bird LOL

[mystic cobalt]

Who's xiao Jiu?

[fallen escarp]

Nona.

[mystic cobalt]

oh

[alpine umbra]

localized

[fallen escarp]

Translation is borked.

[alpine umbra]

yeah, there's a couple of places

typo in this

very end of the enemy effect

got the weapon storage guy in an act 3 vault, that wasn't translated at all

but man the new characters are fun

[jovial slate]

Aren't those green and yellow chests called "mysterious chests"?

Or is that the red ones?

[alpine umbra]

red

[jovial slate]

Alr

"All 3 options" kinda made it sound like the green ones since the red ones don't always have 3 options

[fringe crystal]

is the nona frame bugged or nah

to obtain

[cursive kernel]

has anyone done a owl primary build?

[ancient bison]

Suicide Device ascension seems to prevent getting it. I avoided it on my Nona run and was able to get the frame

[fringe crystal]

ty for info

[ancient bison]

Even if it's not the main Iron Wing but instead the backup that is SDing, it still counts as a death for IW.

[rare quest]

I'm doing it

[ancient bison]

I plan on playing around with Primary Buld later for Owl, Currently using Explosive Card and injectors to test the limits of what counts for a fail for the frame.

Next test is picking up all purples, and seeing if it rerolling in my inventory will fail the Frame run.

[gritty flame]

are the new frames bugged?

i was solo on r1 with owl and had only legendary scrolls cleared all and didnt get it

[violet kiln]

Is it just me or the new all or nothing doesn't really deplete your armor? Last stand and enhanced resolute don't proc on it anymore, I fear that it's the same with nova shockwave and thunder screen.

[wicked python]

that would be pretty epic 🙃

On the bright side, the Death Mark change is a net positive for cleave builds in R8 which were notoriously difficult to get online before.

Now, they're still hard to get online, but much less so. Even tho they ripped away the +MS bonus off it :(

[gritty flame]

no frame 😭

is it bugged or because of spiritual link

[ancient bison]

Were each of the legendaries picked up raw, or were any upgraded from a different quality in your inventory?

[fallen escarp]

Don't worry, they compensated for that buff by taking away the double Armor recovery on enemy kill with Defensive Cleave.

[wicked python]

The frame specifies only picking up occult scrolls of the same quality, did you ever pick up something of one quality than another, even if you later upgraded it?

[fallen escarp]

A buff for Cleave + Leap builds, but a nerf for pure Cleave.

[gritty flame]

no i picked up only actual legendaries

does rolling scrolls i didnt pick up mess it up?

cause i can still roll without picking

[wicked python]

Yeah I'm not a total fan of all the bird changes. It seems like it's a net buff overall but some stuff here and there being gone is blegh

[ancient bison]

I plan on testing this once I test picking up all of one color and rerolling those in my bag to different qualities. Going to get lunch first though.

[wicked python]

Hopefully at least makes him useable for 4p lobbies. Certainly is strong enough in solo now, though, besides the fact his ascensions are all so linear

[gritty flame]

like i dunno i picked up only gold scrolls and it didnt pop

[fallen escarp]

Biggest has got to be Armor Break builds (if they still work) being Reincarnation-exclusive, despite several ascensions being designed for it.

[wicked python]

Yeah...

Although Nova Shockwave now has the ability to force armor break

[ancient bison]

Which BDs did you choose? Just Link?

[fallen escarp]

Not that much better, to be fair.

Gotta charge it up with weapons, then use Cleave.

That's already a hybrid build for something also supposed to work with All or Nothing Leap.

[wicked python]

True altho its definitely a benefit to the hybrid builds themselves which is nice

[gritty flame]

im fairly sure i did NOT click transcended

i had only link when i started

im sure of it

[wicked python]

since sometimes you dont actually want to leap just to activate your On-Break effects

[fallen escarp]

Problem is, hybrid builds just... suck.

[wicked python]

Mostly, yeah, but hey it's somethin IG

the biggest benefit I've personally found is just getting the RoF from Last Stand

since RoF is a rare stat increaase and Last Stand gives quite a bit of it

(and also bcuz rof for spore in speedruns xd)

[wide grove]

does the owl's E just do no dmg, or does impure just dumpster the damage

[fallen escarp]

Hybrid builds would probably suck less if Birb didn't also get several hybrid ascensions turned into more focused ones, like Death Mark.

Or Gigantic Explosion.

[gritty flame]

i guess ill just try again

[wicked python]

maybe try doing it scrolless lmfao

[clear geyser]

Tbh I have no idea how to upgrade my scrolls as Owl

[ancient bison]

Holding Z when it's on the floor, or holding left click on the scroll when checking your bag in the tab menu.

[clear geyser]

That resets it

[wicked python]

admittedly I dont think they're that bad. But they're definitely not good relative to the field

IMO, very reminiscent of a lot of Monkey builds where you can get pretty convoluted and big brained with the "build theme", esp with Weapon Mastery, all for like, above average payoff

its just like, why do a hyrbid on-break build for only a handful of mostly mediocre bonuses?

[fallen escarp]

At least Monkey doesn't have the devs aiming to gut his ascensions and blessings of any hope of competing with others.

[wide grove]

just to make sure im playing it right, spam q until full slots, then hit e? idk if i should overfill if it's impure or something

[rare quest]

lul

[wicked python]

the E will do better and better damage if the House at the bottom is all matching, so you want to optimize to make it more likely for the House at the bottom to match

[ancient bison]

Oh the upgrade is mostly automatic. You can tell what it's upgraded to by the symbol in the bottom left corner. Gimmie a sec and I'll get a screenshot for ya

[wicked python]

You can optimize it by collecting scrolls, upgrading them and also by changing your Upgrade Strategy in the scrolls menu, which will affect the likelihood of what rarity ends up in your house.

[clear geyser]

Owl gets PK starstorm spam so that's pretty cool

[ancient bison]

@clear geyser

[clear geyser]

Can you choose what gets upgraded?

[wicked python]

Thats what upgrade strategy in the bottom does.

[ancient bison]

That gold symbol on Blessing in Disguise means that it''s counted as a Legendary. You can choose how the game decides what gets upgraded in the bottom right.

And it will automatically upgrade things to fit what you are aiming for.

The 2 upgrades per is the max number of upgrades possible, nothing you need to do other than choose your strat.

[clear geyser]

Not really understanding it well but sure

[ancient bison]

The 'Upgrade' just increases the rarity of the scroll for calculations for owl's E draws

[clear geyser]

I ment things like "legendary most"

[wicked python]

It just means "choose my upgrades automatically to give me the highest chance for legendaries I can get"

same for Normal Least, Rare Most

[ancient bison]

Legendary Most will set it to try to make the Legendary % (which you can see under drawing probability) as high as it possibly can go. Rare most is increasing Purple to the highest it can go. Normal least makes blue as low as physically possible.

[wicked python]

Different options will be better at different times based on what you have and how much you have.

[clear geyser]

Thinking about it now that must be what those astro symbols are for

[ancient bison]

Yup!

It's exactly that.

[clear geyser]

So for that achievement for only picking up one type of scroll I can just pick up common ones then change them to whatever?

[ancient bison]

Don't know yet. Still in the process of testing that.

[clear geyser]

Since it specifies "picking up"

At the very least I can reset scrolls before grabbing them

[wicked python]

it could just be a translation thingy, its hard to know

[ancient bison]

It potentially being a translation thing is why I'm testing a bunch of things. Picking up and leaving only a single color at the end through rerolls and discards failed definitely. Wanted to get that out of the way first after finishing Nona's frame

[wicked python]

#1055550986292297838 message

this sorta leaves a question mark if its exactly true

[ancient bison]

@clear geyser When you did that run, how many did you reroll on the floor?

[wicked python]

I feel like it shouldnt be too hard to just do a scrolless and see if that gets the frame

[clear geyser]

It was a test run so I can get used to how the character plays so I haven't attempted that yet

[ancient bison]

I'm mostly testing for science than actually going for the frame since going scrollless doesn't tell me anything unless I rule out a bunch of other things.

[main forum]

Whats the min difficulty

[ancient bison]

My biggest worry is floor rerolls counting as picking up the scroll for the same of the frame.

[main forum]

If normal or elite it’s prob pretty easy to do scrolless

[ancient bison]

Nightmare min

[wicked python]

In solo mode at nightmare difficulty or above, use Zi Xiao to pass all acts (and defeat Pole Monarch) while only picking up Occult Scrolls of the same quality.

[main forum]

Pray for spirit bible

[wicked python]

this is the exact phrasing

ill try a scrolless rn

[clear geyser]

I'll try both floor resets and backpack resets

[main forum]

I’d go r1

For that achievement

Sblessings my beloved

[clear geyser]

Then again if upgrading is automatic and can't be disabled then I can only assume changing scrolls to different tiers in my backpack should be fine

[queen oasis]

highest damage you guys have hit with owl? just got 1 billion on a pretty good run
had 40 secondary uses lmfao

if only spirit bible

[wicked python]

Scrolless got me the frame

[queen oasis]

the frame?

[wicked python]

talking about this ^

[queen oasis]

ah

[wicked python]

Owl Frame unlock is apparently weird. Scrolless works tho

[queen oasis]

still only 24% sure how owl works

nah prb 57

[red glacier]

casually posting speedruns in steam chat

i see you

[wicked python]

I did like 5 vaults xd

[red glacier]

did you see pimm get sub 11 nona fresh file

[wicked python]

was just showin, dont pick up any scrolls the whole run and ur eligible for owl frame

[main forum]

What

Pretty nice but what

[red glacier]

you should check out #speedrun-discussion sometime

[wicked python]

ya nona fresh file is kinda gaming

[main forum]

I do whenever I feel like I want to see how bad I actually am at going fast

[ancient bison]

Secondary rolls 4 potential colors. The potential is based on the rarity of your occult scrolls. The 2 upgrades you get per Ascension are automatic and decided in your Scrolls menu where you can see the exact probability of each color. Getting a full set of the same color buffs your Primary ability. You can reroll one scroll per ascension and it banks.

Astroforcast is your Secondary ability and summons cards that fly at your enemies. Every time you use it you get Astroaspects
Astroaspects are the colors that make your hand in the bottom of your UI.
Astrohouse is your hand.
Falling Star is your Primary ability and it clears your Astrohouse/hand. Getting all of the same color Astroaspect when clearing your Astrohouse buffs Falling star

[main forum]

Is there any good spiritual mutator thingies for speedruns btw?

[wicked python]

if u mean the bizzare dreams, theyre pretty much all good for speedrunning

[red glacier]

yee

[main forum]

Yeah those

[wicked python]

Ye, then they're pretty much all good. At worst, they just have no negative impact.

[main forum]

Had the most doubts with the polar zone is more difficult dresm

[wicked python]

Well, Jokul can be bad rarely. 99% of the time its good though.

[main forum]

Since it doesn’t necessarily improve anything

It’s primarily more chances at good things in peddlers

[wicked python]

The elite events are also often faster than clearing the rooms normally

[inland glade]

Hot take: if they're gonna massacre my boy how they did, they should let us reroll the blessing selection a limited number of times past the very beginning

[main forum]

One reroll for stacking costs from the start would be nice imo

[main forum]

True I guess

[inland glade]

Would be. It'd be more balanced to still limit it, but the whole weapon storage modifier thing also kinda throws Reincarnation balance out the window

[main forum]

Yeah it’d be one per stage after the first

[inland glade]

I'd go 2 rerolls

[main forum]

Weapon storage will be fun for finding out max level of weapons

Leme get that level 999 brick

[wicked python]

If you're playing solo you can already reroll them via campfire resets, if u werent aware of that already

[pseudo mirage]

Wait wait wait. It keeps the levels too???

[inland glade]

Yeah but that's solo

[main forum]

I hope so

[inland glade]

This game is infinitely more fun with friends

[main forum]

Havent tested

[wicked python]

It doesn't store levels iirc

[main forum]

Fuuuu

Does it store inscriptions though?

[wicked python]

yeah

[fallen escarp]

Be careful what you wish for. No matter how much power Birb can get from this, everyone else can get more.

[pseudo mirage]

It'd be so broken if it did. Just get a one shot everything weapon for one stage lmao

[main forum]

That’s at least a decent thing

[main forum]

💀

[wicked python]

from what I understand it stores the weapon exactly as is except the level

[inland glade]

I don't care if people are OP lol

[main forum]

Then weapon gets the same level as your average weapon drop?

[inland glade]

I feel like that's kinda the point of any roguelite, to get game breakingly broken or die trying

[wicked python]

probably depends when you grab the weapon if it doesnt have an outright baseline

ie if you get it from 2-3 vault, it probably is lower level than if you get it from 3-3.

[main forum]

Like Level 6 or so at the start of stage 3

[wicked python]

yeah

[fallen escarp]

Nah nah nah nah, see here's where you've got things twisted...

[main forum]

Still good to get guaranteed weapons for a speedrun

With good inscriptions

[slate pawn]

Disagree,only birbs should be OP

[fallen escarp]

The aim for roguelikes is to try and become OP.

In Gunfire Reborn, the aim is to always become OP, just in the fastest way possible.

[main forum]

All characters should be equally OP

[fallen escarp]

Which is the problem.

[wicked python]

that aspect wont be very good for speedruns as it takes a long time to get to a point where you can claim the weapon

[inland glade]

Tiger is always gonna be OP by design imo

[main forum]

Tao bloom momento

[slate pawn]

[main forum]

The new characters

I don’t think nona needs to do a lot

[rare quest]

Owl is fine. not op.

[main forum]

Owl is

Phd required

To fully understand him

[wicked python]

He honestly doesnt seem that complicated once you understand the premise

[main forum]

The premise

[slate pawn]

is not complicated,at all,is like RNG

[main forum]

Not the whole thing

[wicked python]

I feel like the translations arent very helpful...

[inland glade]

I'm usually pretty good at reading poorly translated kits but it's impressive just how miserable the attempt to explain his kit is

[main forum]

So many mistakes

[wicked python]

A lot of the translations seem to make more sense once you already have a grasp of how it all works, then you can sort-of reverse engineer the wording and then it makes proper sense lmao

[main forum]

We’ll need someone who can read the original

And then translate that

Without the billion astro’s

[inland glade]

I will look into it

Time to test my written Chinese and not just spoken 💀

This language gives me a headache

[main forum]

Good luck

[pseudo mirage]

Anything non-english gives me a headache

[main forum]

French with the billion accents

And whatever the fuck you want to put at the end of a word

[inland glade]

I see your French accents and raise you German grammatical structure

[main forum]

At I can semi understand that

Frenchies just put whatever at the end of every word

Because they aren’t going to actually say either way

[inland glade]

It's an aesthetic language

[tender token]

bro the brick is broken as fuck

my god son

[main forum]

Stabbing people with bricks I see

[main forum]

It sure can sound nice

[inland glade]

My immediate thought when I saw the brick weapon was that "hey Watson, cinderblock!" meme

Life comes at you fast, but bricks come at you faster

[main forum]

Oh.

[tender token]

combined with the scroll that maximizes damage based on how far you are away from a mob, its face rolls later stages

[queen oasis]

if you can dodge a brick you can dodge a ball

[tender token]

and critX damage is off the chain too

[main forum]

It kinda seemed like a meme weapon to me

[inland glade]

That's kinda the case with just most snipers tho tbf

[queen oasis]

it is a brick

[tender token]

yeah i know but i guess a brick gets the job done lol

[inland glade]

It's definitely a meme weapon, but it's one of the rare ones where it's actually good

[tender token]

not only good for breaking windows

[inland glade]

Reject modernity, return to b r i c k

[queen oasis]

y use magic floaty telekinetic needles or a mortar cannon or a katana when u can use a brick

[inland glade]

Truly a weapon of all time

[main forum]

Or automatic shotgun

[queen oasis]

that kinda feels closer to the brick compared to what i said

[main forum]

I mean it’s just an advanced version

Of throwing many bricks at someone

[queen oasis]

you can get a brick that creates a fireball on hit to be fair

ancient magic chinese brick

[inland glade]

Also I love how thematically fitting is that the brick, a building material, builds CritX

[queen oasis]

simple weapon

hit somebody with brick, do damage

hit somebody in head with brick, do more damage

[inland glade]

I just wanna know what absolute madlad on the dev team decided to classify it as a sniper

[queen oasis]

it aint a pistol

[wicked python]

statistically its the most similar to golden bow/strike wing, so makes sense in the class at least

[inland glade]

Neither is the Icy spear or any of the daggers

But they're classed as such lol

[main forum]

Stats tho

And gameplay function

[cosmic karma]

should i cop the visitors of spirit realm or new dlc, i can only afford one

[main forum]

New imo