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Because Melee Scavenger gives you more swords.
This makes inscription rerolling, which is a far bigger jade, pretty much redundant.
Right but he's saying he wants a specific poisonous ghost exclusive
More swords = more inscription choices.
What do you mean far bigger? It's 4 vs 5 slots
I'm talking about advanced armory
And I'm not.
Advanced Armory is for early gemini. Melee Scavenger is for certain inscriptions.
So why pick advanced armory vs reroll
Again, Early gemini.
But is the early game that big a problem?
Spiritual Assault is based on momentum.
The faster you level up, the better you do later.
So yes, a good early game is just as important as the late game.
For bird maybe, I have zero issues playing every character with Chromatic Magazine and getting a varying level from 40 to 50
Chromatic Magazine is a special case.
I say "Special" because it can single-handedly win you the entire run. You literally don't need anything else.
Minus the final boss yeah
I also think Golden Touch is fairly low value and unpleasant to use
I also think since I am asking for a multiplayer build which is implied by the Combat Medic perk
If I was asking for a single player build then clearly skill damage is superior to swords
meh
The only reason to step away from auto killing spiritual flame is because of multiplayer scaling
Because everything dies from it
Everything melted from the build I used so...
Doesn't need to.
Ghost has a weapon skill that goes through multiple enemies.
automatically that is
Does that skill charge itself off itself?
Point it at one of the paths, and the entire path gets cleared, way beyond 10m.
It charges from hitting enemies.
And you kill things in like 3 hits or less (includes elites) anyways.
I literally can auto kill elites around me in 4 10m steps, or I can proc decay and partial charge spiritual flame and one shot
If you have the 8m spread inscription it's pretty much GG.
2 shot the final boss if it let me
So I'm like... Your build has a fraction of the survival, early game, overall DPS, and crowd killing
You can one shot the final boss if it let you
Yeah and I could hit 45 million without the combustion bonus from the piece or the blessing so why does that matter
lol..
Why would you take glass cannon over armor pen
You're using a corrosive weapon. Penetrating Flame will do squat.
You can Gemini fire on it, it does more than squat
Gemini doesn't matter. It's still corrosion damage.
Additionally, Penetrating Flame offers no damage bonus which could kill shielded/armored enemies faster AND unprotected enemies.
The right click is forced corrosion? Oof
??? Why wouldn't Gemini fire give it fire damage
Gemini gives it the ability to deal extra damage to unprotected enemies and a chance to inflict Burning.
You receive absolutely 0 benefit from bonuses exclusive to fire damage.
Ahh so if they have a shield or armor the fire Gemini doesnt work on the pen damage
Oof
No, Penetrating Flame offers 0 benefit, period.
To a poisonous ghost
Yes.
Yeah I think passing on the fire pen is a mistake
If you're doing enough damage to kill shielded/armored enemies anyway, it doesn't matter.
Convieniently, Glass Canon gives you +200% total damage.
By "doing enough" you mean you distance yourself, place multiple enemies, then use right click?
Then build up stacks by autoing?
Distance myself? What's that? lol
I just run around and slash everything then use right click when necessary.
How can you use the poisonous ghosts exclusive on elites without minions in-between?
This would also make it worse on desert vs fjord correct?
Well there's usually enemies around elites so...
Elites don't appear on top of you. Between you and them there is almost always other enemies.
If your killing speed is slow sure
You see an elite appear, launch a blade wave, then everything plus the elites die.
Li benefits from inflicting Burning.
With the gemini, you'll be inflicting lots of Burning.
Because the flame talisman?
I could literally see Qian Sui doing nearly identical damage with 500 times the survival
flame talisman, molten meteor, burning bullet...
It works with him too. Honestly what I did with Li was an experiment which turned out to be pretty busted.
I'll try it, though I hate the lack of survival
There's no lack of survival with Flame Talisman.
You also have Heat Recovery.
If I'm not mistaken the multiplayer increases enemy damage? Is that correct?
Ehh I guess if you don't plan on reviving anyone
I'm usually carrying and having to revive 30 times so the idea of not having Combat Medic, Prepaid Defense, Chromatic Magazine, AND having Glass Cannon seems like you'd only vendor revive
I don't usually revive someone in the middle of enemies. I kill everything around first since they all die quickly anyway.
Busted builds don't really care for money in general, so reviving via peddler isn't an issue
Or if there's too much I just revive them at peddler
We're playing with different locals then
Glass cannon is also mostly negated by Li's continuous max shield generation, or veteran, or qing's similar max armor ascension
90% of games I get sub 1/10th DPS of 2nd place players with 20+ deaths
- all the damage reduction
Reliable bun + relic/enthusiast ontop is also a nobrainer invulnerability
So I could choose to not revive by not using combat medic but that's literally cut into my DPS from how often I'd need to revive
It's not a matter of dps when anything in your general direction dies instantly
Big damage numbers != kill rate
Ehh... Even when I instantly kill the screen, the party wanders away from me and makes me rescue them in africa
You can dramatically outperform everyone kill-wise with ways less total damage with generic radio glove argus spores for example
Already did that for most builds
Beside, if people are always going away alone and wasting xp/pickups, it sounds like a whole lot of not your problem
If my teammates could just survive so I could remove combat medic I would be quite happy
Bro there's like 5 regular people to play with and 3 of them are trash
I might as well solo at that point
I meant in this discord
says alot about spiritual assault
Sandbox abuse*
teammate issue
Obviously if I had competent people to play with Combat Medic is useless
And I can solo fine
But solo is boring
And so is atomic dog and cheese builds in R8
And people haggling for scroll combos
I give away Dual Edge at the start of a run and barely lose top DPS spot as support cat ffs
I'll try a modified version of that build since I feel like some of those perks like Golden Touch and Deft Move are not for me
the forced exclusive does not work with rerolls
The wording is questionnable as usual, but the jade's description tries to specify that
classic GFR translation
this build is very unreliable early game
yes
never had that problem
not getting the exclusive you talk about and not even getting a gemini on poisonous ghost by 2nd boss
after like 6 runs I got one poisonous ghost with gemini on it by 2nd elite rush
?
because poisonous ghost doesn't always drop
that doesn't change it from not having a gemini
I get it from level ups and drops before the first peddler before +5
so even with the +3 it's not gemini
and then get no drops
but fire towers and flowing lights
No one said you get a gemini before +5 weapons appear.
Weapon builds don't really come together for me until early game is over most of the time. And that's fine. I just focus on using what is strong in the moment until I find what I'm seeking.
There's the occasional run I don't get the weapon drop I want until Act 3 but those are rare. More often than not I can make things work. Poisonous Ghost doesn't need the exclusive to put in work.
If you find a good fire tower/flowing light, use that to kill faster and get more weapon drops.
Lmao just realized this is about SA whelp. I'm dumb. Ignore.
That build isn't really catered towards poisonous ghost. It's more towards melee in general. Ghost just happens to be the most busted if you manage to get that exclusive. Tbh that jade build pretty much works with any character. Though it's probably least effective on Dog.
DLC in 2 DAYS BB

2 days until Walter hits 10mil, probably higher, in yet another unconventional way
2 days until hitting 10mil becomes easier.
2 day unti brik
yeah I think the fire pen is wayyyy more consistent, and honestly since corrosion gemini doesn't pen it's better to go double fire gemini and use chromatic magazine as an activator with some random fire tower, kills just as fast as glass cannon and doesn't die in one shot
the max damage per hit isn't as impressive and if your rng isn't the best the boss takes longer to kill
but it's way more consistent
instead of just getting clipped by a Kappa and being doomed to zero survival
Y'know swords make it easier to dodge attacks.
Can't get clipped if they never hit you quickly enough to take you down.
if your movement speed isn't high enough you can't just outrun a corrosive tracking ball
strafing the ball doesn't always work
Way faster maneuver and as a bonus you're also closer to the kappa.
if you're 30m away from a kappa and he's firing a curved corrosive ball at you
and your movespeed is unaltered
You're holding a sword. Your movespeed is already altered.
by what, +30%? for ghost? and fire tower it's +20%
also is the movespeed a bug since the talent is supposed to be attached to talents that are disabled?
With the talent it's +55% and +35%, respectively.
so yeah it seems like fire tower isn't exactly a dodge machine
Which is why you'd use Poisonous Ghost.
if you got it dropped
orrr I could just use any fast reloading weapon with -40% reload with chromatic mag
We both know that's about as generic and boring as Injector Spores.
Effective for sure, but it ain't special.
just as special as mortar dog then
or -80% skill cooldown monkey using a shrieker
Those you at least have to try to get the effective things to make it work well.
monkey has too many options to be considered dice roll
dog having to get mortar is the rougher one but it could literally be vanilla
with no gemini
Injector spores is any shotgun from the better half, and any Rainbow or Radioactive Gauntlet.
And Chromatic Magazine requires... itself. That's it.
yep
Mortar Dog and Monkey you need to at least find a good weapon and get good ascensions and scrolls.
guys is there any lei luo build i can learn?
not really "good" for Dog
im new to this game but dont know anywhere to find build for all
My brain is buzzing, I need this update
Lei Luo takes a fair amount to get a skill build online, and Qing Yan can whiff cleave build really hard
but most of the classes builds are consistent
the wiki lists builds, Altana here made the builds on the bottom https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Lei_Luo
thank u
uh
just get carried
till u can unlock inscriptions
then u get strike wing and argus
then u inscript gemini and reforge to ahare crit x
then use argus
yeah
does blossom enthusiast just suck without thorny bloom
No. They're just hilariously broken together.
Sucking is what something like Sword Mastery does.
”Macro Sword out” build
Wouldn't that one be better with Overconsumption or Field Proficiency?
Also I think if Penetrating Flame is only supposed to work on "normal" enemies it is bugged since it works on elites
i had some pretty decent stuff, just didnt seem like i had the value in return for the investments
yea but i can see them being really broken together
i was only hitting 4million/s
It's no Atomic Bomb or Thunder & Glory, but it does still double your Fatal Bloom procs (triple with Glowing Bloom 3) and let you mark enemies without using the skill.
for pure blossom single target, illusion or maged wildhunt is better
Bearpaw doubls procs
and Spore procs counts as hits for blossom
boing
Mag wildhunt with FoBP for 2x/3x bloom build?
Sounds cool, satan.
I'll try it out
Wouldn't spores Wild Hunt main be good
Does spores activate per projectile pellet from the Wild Hunt, if so isn't that just a straight up fish or bear paw for blossom enthusiast
All spores from the offhand weapon apply if you hit at least once with the main hand weapon.
The main hand weapon only applies 1 spore per hit after that.
Some examples:
Angelic Aura (x1 projectiles) main and Wild Hunt (x12 by default) offhand would result in the first AA hit applying 13 spores, and 0 spores from remaining projectiles because none remain.
2 Wild Hunts would result in the first WH hit applying 13 spores, and 11 spores from remaining projectiles (if they hit, of course).
Wild Hunt main and Angelic Aura offhand would be 2 spores on first hit, and 11 spores from remaining projectiles (also if they hit).
So would the first option be the most ideal
Because the rof compared to double wild hunts
Someone managed to do above 45M per hit with Li and spiritual flame build?
Firefox blessing 3, Conflagration 3 and Energetic spirit 3 is on, aura of venom and fire tower with elemental share gemini
Yes.
It's why the spore meta is a high RoF weapon with a high projectile+damage shotgun.
With the main high RoF weapons usually being Rainbow or Radioactive Gauntlet, because they can automatically aim at enemies. Spores don't care about crits after all.
Just to clarify, this is the best option for blossom enthusiast yea
Well for Blossom Enthusiast you'd want the offhand shotgun to have the highest projectiles, to trigger Spore damage as much as possible.
But depending on what you find, it may not be the fastest hit rate. A good Illusion with good aim will probably beat anything.
Lmao
Sweet, illusion Wild Hunt spore
Also I have another question if you don't mind
Mag share might be better for Illusion.
Because +25% RoF.
Though then again...
Hmm... yeah mag share illusion is definitely better.
Even at best with talents and stuff you'd get 27.5 or so spores per shot, which is a little under 1 extra hit to add onto 12.5 or whatever Illusion's maximum is with the generalist talent.
Combustion takes the damage from whatever applied burning to corrosion and multiplies it, usually this is done with a fire weapon such as a fire tower and it multiplies the BASE damage from the fire tower
Now with crown prince and energy echo, if I apply burning through echo does that multiply combustion off of energy bolts (skill damage +/ elemental) or does it multiply off the held weapon's base damage for the echo
Combustion is based on the hit of whatever inflicted Burning/Decay to trigger it.
Ah so the energy bolts
Yes.
Thank you so much
What would electro dominance be good for then?
I don't really see a use
I feel like it was a forced ascension to complete the elemental dominance trio
Asides from the -90 projectile speed thunderstorm
At this point in the game's life? Virtually nothing.
Manipulation doesn't deal any damage. Miasma's damage is based on the enemy, not your weapon/skills, Shock no longer has a damage AoE effect, and pretty much the only Lightning weapons that are decent for damage are Pupil and maybe Lighting Ksana.
Arc Light and Thunder Storm with its exclusive too, I suppose
Flowing Light if you're doing Energy Blade shenanigans.
is there like a good youtube channel that showcases builds and stuff for this game?
SlightRNG has a bunch of videos on builds in the game, though some of its information is now outdated, but most of it is still good.
getting both Lightning stuff for Lei in SA is fun
okay thanks
His stuff leans more towards solo play so he will prioritise defensive ascensions and strats over damage
If you're playing in multiplayer defensive ascensions are still good, you just probably won't need as much
Well, "need" is probably being generous.
Probably closer to "a nice little bonus so you stop shooting less".
😭
I do think a limit to how often you can get res'd per life until you go down permanently until the next pedler would be nice
Then after being bought with coins you reset the stacks
It would give an incentive to pick more defensive ascensions
Yep. Many ideas for making revives less of a "play without risk" have been thought of. Several suggestions by myself too.
Right now I literally go full glass cannon with no regard
(I play multiplayer exclusively)
It's part of the problem about why people always take pride in having billions of total damage in runs.
Even when their death count is in the high double digits.
Damage is cosmetic
But high numbers do hit that good spot in my brain
If over damage wasn't a thing, everyone would finish with 700m maximum in R8
Without farming lanterns or coyotes
Yep, that also doesn't help.
Overkill ends up making high damage per hit builds look way better than they actually are.
You can't tell what's actually the best.
Well if you count what's been more useful throughout the entire run, itd just come down to skill damage clearing builds
If we had more beefy punching bags, weapon damage builds would scale so hard
Also comes down to similar thing that revives have, where they're just too good with a few key things.
My personal favorite suggestion I made was to have revives only happen after clearing rooms, or certain special cases.
So if you died in a room, you weren't getting up until the room was cleared. Or you soul revived or something.
That sounds amazing actually
And each death very slightly made enemies harder.
People would just purposefully die to make R8^10
As of the current state of the game lol
Probably, but they could only die a limited number of times, because 1 death per room.
But that is a pretty creative one
The idea being that excess deaths are a bad idea. Just because you can die in every room, doesn't mean you should.
Actually, let me go find the suggestion itself...
That's too harsh
#old-game-suggestions message
The game does have to address people who play casual / on and off
That's like the majority of players
Thankfully we have Reincarnation 1 for that.
Dunno why casual players try the hardest difficulty then complain it's too hard.
Lmfao
Personally I love the 1st suggestion
The second is neat but with a cap perhaps
Enemy buffs do have a partial cap.
But if everyone had died enough to reach it, you probably shouldn't win anyway.
Deserved loss 
Everyone would need to die 21 times to reach that -50% cooldown cap.
Up to 84 deaths total.
Sounds like a sanguine relic, resilient life, fire enthusiast and flesh n bone fortune run
hello, am new
doubt
am no lie
this is in fact, true
10 deaths = game over screen
Finish a coop run with 50+ deaths = lose all soul essence 
Does anyone know the time in est for the release tomorrow/1st? My brain is going full stupid and not translating the utc+8
check #game-announcements for the unix timestamp. it'll show as your local time.
Aight thanks
hm i did the secret ending, someone said there was credits down here but i'm not seeing them?
is there something else you have to hit once you jump down to trigger it?
#game-announcements message Is it released on the 31st of May or the 1st of June..
Whatever your timezone is based on the announcement.
I know I'm hella late to this (was with family), but I'll crank out one build I think is easy to achieve in Nightmare:
Triple Threat build
This build focuses on dealing all 3 elements to stack elemental fusion effects.
+
=
(CC),
+
=
(Big damage bonus),
+
=
(Stackable DoT)
Main weapon:
(Rapid/multihits for
stacking, slower/stronger hits if you want larger
damage)
Offhand:(high % effect chance...preferably a Flowing Light or Lightning Ksana. Try for 20% or higher)
Gemini (if able): Element share
Use your grenades to apply
, shoot decayed targets, profit.
Ascensions to look out for
Pyrodominance (Max out if possible--level 3's effect is amazing)
Elemental Rage
Hex Smoke
Toxic Smoke
Advanced Shield (for a defensive buff)
Wildfire (for rapid hits...just 1 level is a solid buff)/Energy Blade (for big hit setups...just 1 level is a solid buff)
Earlier in the run you might use a
weapon as your primary since
doesn't need damage scaling to be effective.
is there a good strat for the fully in control achievment
what achievement is that?
It's an integral mechanic
Pick a hero who is overtuned, regardless of blessings.
Turtle or Fox are typically the go-to choices.
That's kind of the problem.
Deaths right now are cheap.
When solo says they shouldn't be.
so what if i died 45 times on my last coop run, that just means it was challenging, right? or does it mean that it wasn't challenging enough?
It means you should've failed.
but failure is not an option. especially when you can chain revive
And that's part of the problem.
Multiplayer is designed where you almost cannot fail.
Solo is not.
Pick Monkey R1 +++ grap lasso goblets or staff goblets if you find none for Lasso and just cheese it
Coop chain deaths is both skill issue + no teamwork
If instead of going for a pointless dmg contest wih randoms, you go for different roles it's much better
Have one player run typical combust whatever, while the other keep elements applied everywhere
Or a tank qing backed by a sniping lei
On that same note, it's also smoother to go for builds with different reqs for the purpose of abusing coop item quantity to mitigate rng
Skill dmg, weapon dmg etc
Announcement says DLC releases in less than 12 hours, Steam says it's in 23 hours. I'm confused
They both say the same thing
12 AM UTC +8 is 6 hours ahead of me
So should be 6 PM my time, today
Yet it's saying 6 AM
What is it?
Steam
Who the heck would want to go tank
Enemies are programmed to target the highest damage dealing player
Or atleast for elites and bosses
So the tank would be pretty much useless
Why a tank when you can have a CC cat instead
Just be tank and highest dmg dealer. 
Besides that it's just dps builds
Main importance is not everyone focusing either single target or multi target
Gotta diversivy
Ah yea I do that
If I see two weapon builds, I'm going skill damage
If everyone's playing weapon and skill, I'll go cat and do something else
I do skill damage 80% of the time cuz it's generally more fun
Yea skill damage is more towards clearing
It's fun to wipe out a whole group of enemies with cool effects
It's also fun to instakill bosses with dog nukes
at this point i just do weapons
Have you tried rapid fire spiritual flame fox? It's OP once you get your core ascensions
the time in the tweet is wrong/a typo. it is 12 PM utc+8, not 12 AM utc+8. the unix timestamp by jeff in #game-announcements is correct, and will show in your local time.
That's what I figured. Unfortunate tho, that's a day and a half extra waiting to play the new chars with my friend
Isn't it just a day
Yes, with the spiritual blessing that buffs your weapon after using spiritual flame and upkeeps it when applying fire procs
Steam says AM too that's why I was confused.
Would've been able to play today, but with the actual time it releases tomorrow when I leave for work and next available time for us both is the morning after
test
Damage is one thing, but you can reliably take aggro and CC if another player's sniping
See it how you want, but going in with stuns and manipulations on an invuln build is how tanking goes in gfr
You can blast through everything with the usual builds, but that's neither fun in sp or mp
The only correct option
I fear Brick might replace it tho. Gonna be difficult to resist the temptation of picking every brick I see up.
Only if it can abuse Energy Blade.
20 hours bb
Conversion => meme combustion nuke brick?
I guess the new flame ignition isn't too bad
Been testing it with a corrosive conv rainbow
so how long till the dlc drops? unless im confused it should have dropped like 30 min ago
check #game-announcements
It’s tonight sadly
it should have a localized time there
says 11 hours for me
-_-
so 7pm akdt
ah so that is localized, and i assume the time in brackets updates?
yep
painchamp 6am for me
i thought i did my math right and it was dropping now
whatever this says for you
sadly not, i woke up excited today as well lol
that approx unlock isnt always accurate, and i dont like relying on it
its close enough where i live
well that steam one seems to be the same as the discord one as well
though if your outside the US your milage will vary
cant wait for the funni number to go from 178 to 188
?
cap level is gonna go up by 10 because 2 new characters
oh lol
i hope the new bizarre dream modifiers are big boi hardmode ones
going by what's posted in the discord it should have unlocked by now, though im guessing they either posted the wrong time on steam or its localized to your timezone
im guessing its localized
now the correct info is posted on steam for me
steam be having a siezure over here
you think STEAM has a seizure, poor turtle players gotta navigate by minimap lol
if you dont perma sustain 80 fist sensation what are you even doing on turtle
cant see anything while im ramming people at mach yes
playing melee weapon build
only viable on monkey
or play funni atomic dog, just have a permanent stream of nades coming from your face
nah
the nade build is fun its not paticularly good in my experience
lol yeah it is
the way i imagine it, dog tosses one nade and then fires the rest as a sort of weird nade breath weapon
though to be fair i havent tried it with the new stuff
the bf and i oneshot the last boss on R8 with it XD
wym atomic dog is broken
atomic dog 
its so broken that you genuinly could fall asleep mid bossfight and still win
DW mortars happens to be more entertaining
we got his dog to have 60+ grenades
more entertaining, sure
but better? i dont think anything is better than atomic dog, just in terms of effectiveness
also just more scrolls that are useful for you
ive seen Li output some silly skill dps
also when i did nade build spirit bible didnt exist yet
very mediocre run, still easy 4 billion
so that should tell you how ancient i am
spirit bible + enh peddler scroll
just stack SO much skill dmg
get yourself enduring caster and vet too and you just win
see things like surprise bonus, bible, and rational consumpion didnt exist and i dont think the critx skill damage blessing did either
Just take atomic and endless assault from lone wolf and you've already won.
exactly. thats literally all you need, and you get it right at the start
everything else just exists to pump up the funni big number at the end
honestly that starter wolf roll is the make or break for most of our challenge runs
lone wolf is a bit too strong imo
they should make enemies health scale too, not just amount and damage
please gimme 8x health enemies
i wanna struggle again :'(
imma go make a porkchop, anyone want one? o:
I, too, would like 8-11 porkchops
i need to lose weight so im on a meat only diet, no carbs for me 😛
pig character next DLC trust trust
Meat pog, that sounds like a wonderful diet
plus meats awesome
turns into porkchops on death
O:
ill have those carbs
and meat too actually
No no, they need an eat ability because pigs eat everything.
eat your guns
actually true
eat the corpses...
gains double damage (stacking throughout the run) every time you get a bun
a bmi of 16 is suboptimal so i could use it
guns dont have calories. well i guess they sort of do
1-2 bonus max HP every time you eat a bun? Could easily add up to 100+
@red glacier imma call you when im on my way home tomorrow and i want info 
on it 
So which of the upcoming characters are y'all most excited about?
the pig 🙂
Lmao
purple owl
because purple
Just because purple?
hes purple? o:
nona
because mech
Yeee Mech is hype af, it's like Gage from Borderlands mixed with TF2 Engineer
praying there's something that lets it shoot your guns
ie. you can give mortar and it will shoot mortar
That'd be sick
I already love that you can manually control the turrets
Maybe gun stats/effects apply to those too?
yes
afaik
who tf made this edit and turned it into a gif
lmao
unless im missing something, i think your full of it
what does the player count thing you can change on lone wolf do?
you can go from 2 to 4 player count
does it scale the mobs health to the amount of player count you chose?
just mob count and dmg
https://youtu.be/Rs1F9xTACMI this is about the fastest i have done solo rein8, also the easiest run thru out my 600+ hours, usually only play the snow tiger
oh nvm you actually hit what you needed to
oh thank you
maybe people shouldnt post them selfs cheating
along with overconsumption
Just a crazy amount of boost to skill dmg, there's no cheating.
Damage also depends on when you throw the nades. Big difference between throwing at 16 nades and throwing at 10 for example
In no order but dramatically stronger than atomic regardless:
-bolt from the blue, lightning orb lei
-spirit flame Li
-almost anything Li
-fire tower cudgel monke
-dual spore mortar combust dog
-qing yan
You're also playing Reincarn 6 and you lack the Dual Edge and Enhanced Double Exhilaration, Deadly Curse, etc. They had a LOT of damage buffs that you lacked, you can't expect the same damage output considering all those factors
To a lesser extend, your typical injector-argus spore build as well; smaller numbers but considerably faster clear speed- basically wallhack spawnkilling
boi those arent multiplicative damage sources, my max hit was 1.6 mil you need 700 stacks of dual edge and overconsumtion does nothing for him with that many scrolls
so it would have to be dual edge + deadly curse giving him that damage
Atomic is dog-tier rng, to say it nicely
it can range from mediocre to average broken
overconsumption actually does do something with that many scrolls.
i see 60% reduced effect
at least
so now that ive confirmed your average run is infact not average at all assuming you actually had the rng for it
your still full of it
I also don't see them mentioning their max single hit damage
Tbh a large chunk of atomic damage comes from overkill hits on immortal mobs with 32 throws
Do the extra hits count?
Stat board damage != general build effectiveness
0hp immortal mobs still feed you damage
they're the main source of damage pp screenshots
And there's events that give that effect on r8.
Anyone can rack up obscene final damage numbers, it says very little about anything of the build
not to mention this build feels like butt to play since its either no damage or all your damage in a short go
I mean... it says something about the damage
honestly this it feels like butt
Once you have infinite grenades, it's always tons of damage lol
A monkey with depot and the right build can probably do damage cap on every shot of a high rof gun
Add a few immortal sandbags and there you go
"bIG dAmAgE"
you are reliant on a 40% proc to do your damage
to say thats annoying is an understatement
Which you can try to proc every second
Lol
And you can proc it WHILE actively nuking
There's also Double Explosions which increases your chances of it procing.
i was better off shooting things with the illusion i picked up for most of the early game since i rnged my way to armour breaker on complete accident
Atomic is an old, outdated rng broken build
It works but by now, the game's in shambles to the point it's "weak"
Emphasis on rng
Spore rework and giga big hit combusts by themselves made atomic irrelevant
and those work across all characters with no rng for base reqs
then Li and monke exist anyway
Do you mean you're less likely going to lose a run going atomic? Because...
i lost one run going in on it and won the second one
lmao
Skill issue
bruh you dont get the goblet you need in the first room on r8 your screwed
You can just take endless assault as your lone wolf blessing and it's gg
^^^^^^
It still has core ascension requirements, then rather vital extras/scrolls like double exhi
Anything below that and you may as well improvise a spore gemini/pick up mortars
also lone wolf doesn't really count, you can start overconsum and win instantly
more often then not your probably gonna abort and go mortar spores
regardless of build
Lone wolf is a sandbox meme
Step 1) Lone wolf
2) savescum your next blessings
3) flex
Capacity Overdraft is not good on nuke dog, right? Because damage is dependant on current nade count?
Current nade count + atomic bless stacking damage for a very short time every nade hit
Yeah. So throwing at 0 is pointless anyway
I something id like to see, in the game as a whole is winrate% for every tier of reincarnation
Go dual wield bloody drills or something, atomic's a fossil nowadays
Truest thing I've ever read
You can't reroll act blessings without savescumming the rest save
Only the starter room one
Use fire to save, quit, reload, repeat until desired blessing
There's the alt+ f4 scum as well if that still works.
When you go down you could alt + f4 and restart at last save. Only worked if you had a revive.
I don't even do it, just discovered it from experimenting.
GFR is a gamebreak sandbox
P sure it dropped the whole roguelite thing veeeery early on
even in the ancient times at inital early access you could break the game quickly
Did they fix the literal invincibility combo in Spiritual Assault yet?
projectiles per enemy killed on a corrosion/fire weapon with share element
same thing for light/corrosion
They don't fix broken stuff, they only buff everything else 
unless it's birb
feels old oppressor
that was broken
win every run with one simple trick
it also didnt have a cool down
old oppressor if yalls didnt know what it did basically it gave you 150% increased damage with double tap and no cool down
also unnerfed wild hunt
Average nuke dog run
how long you spend hitting an immortal mob
I actually checked the damage difference on those and didn't notice any
This is just reincarn 8 with lonewolf 4
Prob additive
thats what i figured
not sure how i ended up with a max hit of 1.6m, cause i had armed caster giving me 512% increased damage one dog army giving me another 150%
base damage 3
explosion radius 3
I hit 5.3m with like, 500% from Extravagent Consumption and a bunch of other scrolls
ah
Didn't shoot ever unless I needed more grenades
Average dog run
"average"
I mean, below average dog run. Average dog nuke run
just hitting the goblets is unlikely as hell
Dual wield can get MUCH higher damage
DW is just more consistent take counter violence weapon genius win game
Yup
Crit thunder cat is also easy high damage
The friend I play with hit for 20 mil with him once
Pretty sure he was the first to do so at the time because we couldn't find anyone else achieving it until months later
highest i got was 7.9mil not sure what i was playing
probably wild hunt birb
get that juicy 13 crit
motar on bird is weird af
that would actually be worth using over one dog then i wasnt offered it chose one dog
thats something i will test later to confirm
they could make that clearer and say chance to deal 200/300% More Base Damage
take ye old page out of path of exiles book
Regular T&G lei is baby's first zap
Try bolt from the blue with a lightning orb sunder (MUST BE HOST for full effectiveness)
Spawn TooMany(tm) orbs, press fatal current; enjoy
It's just like your stacked t&g nukes, except now it's several dozens times at once continually on everything
i will give poe credit it usually conveys exactly what you need it too 90% of the time
Which is a good thing because things there get complicated quickly.
Yo guys check out my build where X happens but only if Y does A and when X happens A resets Y but only if LMNOP is Q
"yo check out my build"
Insert engineer essay
what you dont want to stack 20 frenzy charges that give you almost 100 flat damage a piece while also giving you 80% more damage 300% increased damage 140% increased attack speed

just raider things
@fallen escarp Jokes aside, since they've recently asked for votes/corrections on specific translations, are they generally open about those?
Given that the game still suffers from mediocre translation/ambiguity across the board (especially stat wise)
We could provide proper, sorted and formatted text (where applicable if we know)
Base/additive/total in particular really need proper wording, and not just on a random case basis
there are some scrolls that imply that they are multiplictive when their not and vice versa
🥔
the reason i know what stuff does is from personal testing
i will give them credit it is much better then it was
unfortunately, if proper wording is only on random cases, it only makes the confusion worse
you ever read perfect sixth
honestly not the worst
They're also spamming spaces between characters to not start a new line/go out of bounds instead of formatting properly.. which is honestly a new one
i wish the wording in the game followed the poe template
that would make things so much easier
omg so close
im pst
interesting
tfw utc -8
i just hope the price is at least low enough
akdt bb
im probably gonna take a nap
wake up play osu completely forget there is a dlc untill i get 900 pings about it from my friends
how much did the last dlc cost
i think it was 10 bucks
not bad
its localized
well they said its gonna be on a discount for both the game and the DLC
its 6:20 am utc+8
no
not yet...i would know
prob a bundle
DLC Release Time Announcement
DLC "Artisan and Magician" and a Free Update for the base game will be released on June 1, 2023, at 12:00 AM (UTC +8)
yea but what is the other update besides the new heros and weapons
its kinda funny no ones talking about the other content
everyone just ignored it or something idk
maybe a new level
imagine...PVP arena...everyone will WAKEUP real fast!
because we didn't get much info about the other stuff
any 2020 gamers in the chat
where do i pull that up
I'm quite excited to yeet a brick against my enemies ngl
we know that the "new map" is a new spiritual assault map in the first area
steam purchases becareful about what you post from there
yeeting bricks....thats the brooklyn classic
and the only thing we don't know is the bizarre dream modifier
ya we only have asumptions like we might get a new boss past ice but thats just guesses
any may 2020 gamers in chat 💪🔥🙏
may 2020? meaning?
basically first launch early access
oh yea ...thats me..
im one of them..
im one of the veterns teaching you young peoples how to shoot a gun.
i was 3 months late to the boat, though im not sure i really missed much outside bug fixes
i remember when i played early access.....before all these new things appeared...all these new weapons and all the new hip content
back in my day we used......well i just used whatever XD
when you only had 500 SE cap
Are people in Europe able to play now? Past 12pm UTC+8 I believe.
and before that you had to spend it or lose it
oh yea yea things are much more forgiving now
before this young...beautiful....adorable...foxy fox came into my life named Li .....i dumped Cat prince and started Dating Li.
and now we burn everything together baby!
i mean dont get me wrong Cat is still good..
wdym you dont want to fight an elite pyro with bleed
i had no issues with bleed
yes those are my favorites
just dont get hit
elite pyros with bleed are just annoying though the entire game is a dps check so just do more damage 4head
yea ...you think those guys are bad....
wait till you see the bleeds done by the penguins riding a baboon
oh yea fuck them too
i stand on a rock and they cant hit me
thats usually how i handle them
as for eleite pyros...high ground
if thats not a option...stay behind them and time their cooldowns
movement speed and snowboots can do wonders
another nice one is having fire enthusiast
dispite its burning..its life steal can be surprisingly useful with a fast weapon
veterns tips to being a badass
The DLC releasing today is gonna be paid right
Yes
so what time is 12am usc to eastern
In #game-announcements
You can see your local time
This post #game-announcements message
No, bad
PvP here would be suffering
Crown Prince hears the sound of a fox
Crown Prince: "Sigh..."
Crown Prince gets obliterated by a giant fireball that appeared from behind
5ish hours from now
word so right at midnight for steam servers?
ill prolly hop into it right when it drops
i run both versions, i wonder if theyll ever apply any of the content to the xbox version
eventually
so I opened the game and I think I clicked the Player Information button as it loaded in, so thats apparently the default data for when your stuff hasn't been updated into it
cuz this is not my actual player stats
i assume like 4 hours from now
yes
didnt they say 12 am utc +8 that is like 8pm easetern so why isnt it out yet
it's 12PM UTC+8 (12:00 to be more clear) <t:1685592000:R>
God I am excited
we should have been able to buy before
inb4 birb gets deleted
If you think about it, technically you're right.
Because the damage cap and enemy HP limits exist, so most of them can't even get any stronger in the first place.
for me its 9pm
1 hour 57 min
how do you see minutes?
you don't
I keep refreshing as if it'd make waiting easier, I am very excited, anyone else refreshing?
sooo 20 more mins?
Midnight EST.
hour and 20 min more
1 hour 20 minutes.
Congrats! I've never done that before.
wow all the Li mains coming out to play
I'm spooked by Reincarnation 2, ha-haa.
I can only play on 8 because I am like really cool and stuff
I play Li and Qing the most.
its not soo hard as long as you have the right build
Yeah, but everything's like that.
i usually try my best to trigger all elemental fusions
I don't doubt that.
fire and electric in particulur..
thank you for validating me :' )
I'm glad it made you happy, I try to make people happy.
awwww your soo presh ❤️
Is confusion that good?
I've never tried playing around elemental combos.
it's nice to watch the enemies wale on eachother
confusion is very good crowd control turning your enemies aganist each other
another good combo is electric and poison
I'll investigate it, probably after the MM run at GDQ.
Damage wise (enemy ff) it's pretty worthless
But as a defense layer, manipulation is excellent
Affected mobs cannot aggro or collateral you with their attacks
Emphasis on no collateral
I've never thought about that, that sounds considerably stronger than I thought about it.
A manipulated arsonist firing at stuff won't harm you if you bath in it's fire
minipulation is one of my main defenses in high level play ..especially when solo
But ye enemy friendly fire does no relevant dmg
Implying R8/SA scaling, as per standard
If I end up with a fire and lightning weapon, I'm going to go for the elemental gemini for sure.
I wish I was better at SA, it's big fun.
Manip alone unfortunately becomes useless vs elites and bosses
Don't "main" it
It's a side defense layer
a good example of my build is the blazing meteor build...where i use poison mixed with a electric....with blazing meteor to add fire into it
soo i do poison fire and eletric all at the same time
It doesn't affect elites/bosses and virtually does no dmg
bosses still get melted by my build
Is this going to be on the test?
with my elemental combination
...I hope I pass.
question: how to make tiger cannon viable?
This is gfr, almost anything will delete 4p r8, that's not the point
I feel like I am hitting enemies with a pool noodle past a certain point
Arcane rituals, possibly involving lucky dog ascensions, or monke weapon mastery shenanigans
but even then, the gun's RoF is too slow to keep up with the reloads (implying no depot/rng but just weapon mastery reload)
Maybe ao bai in SA with shockwave blessing, AoE/explosion ascensions, explosive bullets and 3x exclu+fire conv jade and gemini
Otherwise it's practically unusable in R8 scaling
Anyone know the time the expansion drops?
Use Soul Strike as Monke.
i truely reccomend doing elemental combos... ❤️
That's pretty much the only time it can get anything better than "decent".
I'm gonna try the above next time just to prove it wrong 
Well, First Strike Monke also counts.
Absolutely, I don't usually go specifically for them, but I'm now more interested in what they can do.
also...
Nah I mean grenade shockwave double fire converted TC
Or dual wielded fire/corro
the DLC JUST HIT THE STORES!
Got it.
Just bought it
I checked about a minute ago, but it wasn't open
but now it was open
bought 3 of them for me and my friends
wait, is the new update coming together?
the DLC is out but the update is not there yet?
Update doesn't seem to be out yet, no.
yeah dlc is out but not game update
maybe it was my fault thinking the update will come together with the dlc
I'm not fussing, I can wait.
Hey guys, you can force the update by going offline in steam and then go online
I'm excited to check the patch notes.
that's for the dlc, I think. No?
I got the update going, you were quite right.
ill wait till the update is out first before buying
I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT
Apologies if the overreliance on images aren't helpful.
I WANTED IT AS A WALLAPPER, I LOVE YOU MWAH
YOOOO
That's a sick wallpaper.
gimme a minute
how big is the update
Not super large, my bad internet just finished getting it.
the dlc patch was like 167.8 mb
Maybe we're getting another kind of radio gauntlet to make rainbow even less relevant 
New frame, I think 9 scrolls?
Hoping this fits my screen
Yooo the new frame is DOPE!
so new update is out now?
yes it is
yes
Indeed.
I'm very confused
dlc is out too
yes
oh
@red glacier I love you, MWAH
letsgooooo bb
I am going to leave this chat, I gotta wait before I can get the DLC

I want to, but I'm also wanting to watch the LoZ:MM Rando run.
I don't know, and I'm ready to find out.
seems like it's part of the nona mech stuff
it will take some time for me to find out because
Trying out the Owl!
how does one update now that i have dlc?
my friends will be home after at least 6 hours
restart your game
I don't think i will
my computer just took some time, and just did the thing
Forcing it by going on Steam setting, click offline, then after that go back online
bro, it's already out?
theirs a easier way
🧐but i will give it a try if i get it for free
and I'm still outside. sadge
yes its out

Still need to get back
it'll still be here bro
OO OOO AAA AAA
gimme your steam bb
oo, i can remote download. thanks steam
👀
what
What are they smoking 
🥲Thanks bro. But I will figure things out by myself.
It's not even an Ascension it's a PASSIVE talent
Watch out guys, Im throwing bricks >:))
vault before the boss level?
It puts an icon by your name.
If I had to guess, it sounds almost like you get to deposit a weapon, and bring it into another run?
Don't know who "arsenal guards" are, but I think if you go into the vault on the stage just before the boss, you can save and load weapons...?
is owl complicated or am I dumb?
I haven't even played it yet, so I'm going to have the exact same problem in about 7 hours
Oh looks fun I can't wait to play with the brick lol




