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[fallen escarp]

Well... up to that amount.

Since unlike the unenhanced version, it uses current HP + Shield/Armor.

So if you take damage, it gets worse.

If you're below 50%, it's worse than the unenhanced version.

[glad mist]

It says total HP

[fallen escarp]

Total HP is current HP + Shield/Armor.

[vapid crag]

Oh well that's unintuitive lol

[fallen escarp]

The unenhanced version is total max HP.

I know.

[glad mist]

Ohhhh that's dumb

i stand corrected then

[fallen escarp]

I expect it's supposed to be similar to enhanced Abnormal Speed, Persistent and Berserk Soul.

Where it increases the maximum bonus, but also expands what can influence it, potentially leading to worse results depending on what's happening.

[vapid crag]

So if your shield is empty with enhanced persistent, you get half the bonus (depending on the character ofc)?

[fallen escarp]

Something like that, yeah.

But if your HP is empty and your shield isn't, you get weaker DMG reduction than you would if you just had unenhanced Persistent.

Also doesn't help that for most heroes their shield is larger than HP.

So the empty HP gives you even less DMG reduction.

[vapid crag]

I just got enhanced persistent from an enhanced split when you mentioned it lol

You manifested it

but that's pog af with the sanguine relic I took

[fallen escarp]

Yep. You can keep your shield empty or DMG reduction and not risk dying every 5 seconds.

[vapid crag]

I have no idea what to enhance here

I'm playing Tao and have blossom enthusiast for context

[fallen escarp]

Backup Shield.

[vapid crag]

Yeah probably for Tao, you just need the survival

[fallen escarp]

Enhanced Backup Shield is absurd compared to the unenhanced version.

[vapid crag]

Third Time and Reasonable luck are also pretty absurd upgrades but i can't really abuse them if I die lol

[fallen escarp]

Reasonable Luck does nothing for Fatal Bloom, and Third Time Unlucky trades away any cursed scroll synergies you could make in exchange for random scrolls that may or may not be good.

[vapid crag]

I wouldn't say Reasonable Luck does nothing for a fatal bloom build just due to the way that Tao operates

But it doesnt boost the fatal bloom itself, that's true

[fallen escarp]

It does very little for it.

It's like saying that Spirit Bible does something for weapon builds, because launchers are boosted by skill damage.

Technically yes, but it's definitely not the focus.

[vapid crag]

Can this weapon even hit crits? 😅

[quaint maple]

can fire enthusiast kill you if your 1 hp?

[fallen escarp]

It can, but it doesn't do it deliberately.

Desert Coyotes for example get a laser to the face more often than not.

[fallen escarp]

Yes. It inflicts Burning on you, which can kill you.

But if you're properly using Fire Enthusiast you should almost never have 1 HP unless you have Paranormality.

[quaint maple]

oh so it doesnt bypass shields?

[fallen escarp]

Burning doesn't, so Fire Enthusiast doesn't either.

[queen citrus]

Any good shrieker builds? I want some ideas

had dual edge and a good shrieker with a piercing exclusive but i got one shot by a powerful bandit retainer

[fallen escarp]

CritX Share while playing as Tiger or Monke.

[vapid crag]

Gradual improvement makes shrieker silly

[quaint maple]

is a lightning dual fang possible?

yep it can, wow got lucky

[worldly path]

anyone know why fire enthusiast isnt activating my enhanced vindictive nature?

[glad mist]

Do you have flame shard?

[fallen escarp]

Or Painkiller.

[queen citrus]

shrieker with tiger is a lot of fun.

[queen citrus]

Muscle memory always messes with me when I switch between characters. Like my hands still think I’m playing cat. Tried to cast energy orb to freeze somebody when I was playing monkey. I killed them with soul strike but it wasn’t what I was expecting.

[glad mist]

I get that with risk of rain, which is way worse. like tryna dash away to survive but instead just throwing something lmao

[worldly path]

i did not

nor pain killer

deadly counter wasnt working from the burning effect too

[glad mist]

show your game from player information

it's likely a scroll stopping you taking damage

[worldly path]

after i lose this run i will and nah i watched my health tick down with no activation but if an enemy shot me the lil symbol showed up

deadly counter was a run a few weeks ago i just assumed i missed an update but i did some googles and didnt see anything

[glad iris]

Yeah same thing happened to me with enhanced vindictive, I think it's bugged.

[quaint maple]

Just curious what happens if the final boss charges his move, do you just instantly die?

[cobalt dock]

nope

he gets faster and meteors starts dropping

[glad iris]

It used to be this way.

[fallen escarp]

But then people complained about how restrictive it was.

Couldn't have a defensive, mobile or unorthodox build. Always had to be offensive or you'd run the risk of losing for no reason.

[quaint maple]

spores is an insta win, why use any other gemini lmao?

[vapid crag]

Wild how a cleave build with this much good shit still took over an hour. Buff the birb

I even got really lucky with ascensions

[fallen escarp]

Birb is the only hero who hasn't succumbed to powercreep.

Or at least, hasn't succumbed to it massively.

[vapid crag]

Leap builds are pretty bonkers if you get the right ascensions

[shadow notch]

what r good geminis for the mortar

[vapid crag]

But yeah

[shadow notch]

im doing a monkey cudgel mortar build

[vapid crag]

Mag share depending on your inscriptions and build

[shadow notch]

but im a lil lost

[vapid crag]

Hmm for monkey?

[shadow notch]

yeah

[vapid crag]

Are you on reincarnation?

[shadow notch]

reincarnation 2

[vapid crag]

Mag share is pretty good regardless and could enable first strike

[fallen escarp]

Don't use Mortar when playing Monke.

The weapon has overwhelming power, but only when fired.

Its base stats, which Soul Strike uses, are pathetic.

[vapid crag]

Elemental share is good if you're able to make it dual elementa

And yeah, it's his worst launcher

It's usable in weapon boosting builds

[shadow notch]

i see

[fallen escarp]

Frenzied Shark is still worse.

[vapid crag]

but even those like soul strike

[shadow notch]

should i use the rocket launcher then

[vapid crag]

I forget frenzied shark is technically a launcher

or a weapon in general lol

Tiger cannon is good on monke

As is shrieker

Justice is pretty mediocre in soul strike builds

[shadow notch]

damn i had one earlier

and tossed it

[vapid crag]

Bone Dragon is also good

[shadow notch]

new to the monkey so idrk what im doin

[fallen escarp]

Bone Dragon is the best launcher for him.

Not only is it tied for highest damage with Tiger Cannon, but it doesn't outright suck (figuratively) when fired either.

[vapid crag]

The succ on the gravity bomb is situationally useful

Damage wise they both definitely fall off without some specific things

[fallen escarp]

Still better than Tiger Cannon.

Which has half the magazine, 61% more reload time and only +2m AoE to compensate.

[vapid crag]

It also fires instantly when you pull the trigger with no charge up

Not that that matters

[shadow notch]

run is over got one shot

[vapid crag]

Is bone dragon's exclusive inscription multiplicative?

[shadow notch]

[vapid crag]

If not, that's the one thing tiger cannon has over the bone dragon lol

[fallen escarp]

Both are, I think.

[shadow notch]

also can someone explain how spores work

i saw a guy play spores with a shotgun secondary

and instead of upgrading his main weapon

he kept upgrading the shotgun

[vapid crag]

I think it cares about the base damage of both your weapons for the final spores damage and the combined pellet count of both your weapons for how many spores are applied per hit

So you want a high pellet count and a fast firing weapon generally

[shadow notch]

that makes sense then cus shotguns are like base 1000 damage

i get it

[vapid crag]

Yeah, at that point it makes more sense to upgrade the shotgun

Since you're multiplying a higher base damage

[shadow notch]

what would be the best shotgun then

porcupine?

[vapid crag]

Hmm, porcupine has the most pellets on card but the least damage per pellet of any shotgun

[fallen escarp]

Porcupine is the second worst shotgun to use.

Unless you're using spores for Fatal Bloom.

Its got the highest pellet count, but some of the worst total damage per shot of all shotguns.

[vapid crag]

Yeah

I think Argus is the BiS for spores right? I don't use spores too often

[fallen escarp]

Hell (with its exclusive), then Argus, Wild Hunt, Hell, Wheel Saw, Pupil, Porcupine and Illusion, from best to worst.

[vapid crag]

With hell and wild hunt not far behind

[solemn sleet]

yo have a question about painkiller. it states "convert all negative elemental affects applied to the hero to bonus with the opposite effects." i have lightning enthus yet it still shows the effect being a +10% dmg taken rather than what should be a -10% dmg taken. is this a ui bug, or am i missing sometning?

[fallen escarp]

It doesn't change the description of the debuff itself, but it's definitely changed.

Decay will still say -50% movement speed, but you'll go WAY faster with it applied.

[solemn sleet]

ahk, thanks for clarifying

[shadow notch]

how does porcupine work with fatal bloom cus my plan was to do spores bunny

[vapid crag]

What's best for applying spores btw? The more fire rate the better or does it care about any other stats for your main hand weapon?

[solemn sleet]

also aura of venom best weapon change my mind :D.

[fallen escarp]

Porcupine has the advantage with Fatal Bloom because it applies more hits, which inflicts more spores that cause more hits, which speeds up Fatal Bloom additional damage.

[vapid crag]

Pretty sure it just triggers bloom really fast. I think it puts the most pellets downrange per second in the game

[rare quest]

piercing flame or bloody drill, change my mind

[vapid crag]

High pellets, high fire rate

[solemn sleet]

can agree. aura on cat though >//>

[rare quest]

wait, hol up, on cat?

[fallen escarp]

Just more fire rate. More projectiles doesn't do much, and if anything it'll lower spore damage.

[solemn sleet]

crown prince yeah

[rare quest]

but why

[solemn sleet]

pair it with a high fire elemental chance weapon. deft hands and just press right click

[fallen escarp]

Weapons that can hit multiple targets or can automatically hit targets are also good for spores.

[vapid crag]

Not sure why you would use aura on cat other than as an early game pick

Other than stuff like deft hands

[fallen escarp]

(Conveniently, Radioactive Gauntlet does both.)

[vapid crag]

And if you're doing spores bunny, radioactive gauntlet is giga busted on bunny

[solemn sleet]

i kept the same one from the starting chest all the way till the final boss on r8 :D.

[vapid crag]

I really don't like doing spores builds because I think they're kinda boring

Not even that they're not fun to play but they're not fun to build for me

Like other than synergizing with bloom, they don't really have to interact with any of your character's mechanics to be powerful lol

[fallen escarp]

Welcome to Gunfire Reborn balancing.
Have a look around. We've got something broken for everyone!

[vapid crag]

Sorta like how miasma can hit the floor for DPS on it's own, except it's definitely not on the floor lmao

[red glacier]

welcome to the problem

[solemn sleet]

i havent tried either builds

weapon dmg and explosions >:D.

[quaint maple]

god damn im never touching reincarnation until I spend my soul essence for SA and the character skills

seems to be designed to spent soul essence everytime you see the phantom guy lol

[fallen escarp]

Reincarnation + Soul Essence for first blessing = Significantly easier time getting more soul essence.

Just do the first level.

With an OP blessing.

[quaint maple]

hmm bet

in my run with spores without spending any essence in act 3, took way too much time lol

[fallen escarp]

Overconsumption is a good one to pick if you want to spend as little as possible.

Massive bonus to damage and primary skill/dash cooldown, decent bonus to HP, Shield/Armor and Movement Speed.

Helps get through the slog of act 1 and into act 2, where you can set up the gemini to really start inflicting.

[quaint maple]

Seems good, definitely going try that later on

especially since im playing dog lol

[queen citrus]

how high can the shrieker get? i'm no pro when it comes to breaking the limits but i was hitting for close to 6 million with my critx gemini shrieker with gradual improvement.

i think i could have gotten the damage higher by the end of the run if i hadn't died

[fallen escarp]

It can get up to the damage cap.

When done right, most weapons can.

[queen citrus]

shrieker has to be my favorite weapon right now. love when you hit a critical explosion on a group of enemies and they all just turn into gold coins and essence

and the "critx to first shot after reload" inscription is useless with advanced depot right? or does every shot have the extra critx?

[red glacier]

it's useless

[shadow notch]

when i etch weapons why does it sometimes give me gemini shits and other times regular inscriptions

[red glacier]

when you're at least lvl 5

you can get a gemini

[fallen escarp]

You get a gemini if the weapon is at least level 5 or has 4 inscriptions already, and has no gemini.

[shadow notch]

i see thanks

gloves tao undefeated

[cobalt dock]

funny, as its like the one case where its stronger on the Gamepass version

still a favorite

[fallen escarp]

Why is it stronger there?

[red glacier]

something something combustion maybe

[fallen escarp]

Oh right, that.

[solemn sleet]

on steam i was

[abstract python]

I finally beat nightmare on dog after trying 50billion years with cat

C:

and then i proceeded to beat r1 with atom bomb dog

atom bomb is hilarious

that is all

[barren wharf]

*Those who don't have mercy don't deserve it. *

[worldly path]

I just use atom dog to grind essence when i get low lmao

Anyone know if dogs aoe goblets effect esplosive ammo?

Double illusion dog with explo bullets? Or not worth

[red glacier]

could be

[cobalt dock]

likly not

[glad mist]

I mean the aoe does effect explosive ammo. I very much enjoy double explosive illusion i think because of the high fire rate it works very well especially as you can keep up permanent dual wield

[worldly path]

oooo that will be my next run lol

[glad mist]

The goblets say explosions and grenades. So it would be very poorly worded if it just worked on grenades

Also remember explosions are amped by skill damage buffs. But don't cause skill damage. So enduring caster and spirit bible are great but rich's privileges does nothing

[cobalt dock]

explosive ammo is one of the worst scrolls in the game*

[worldly path]

unless for this specific purpose

for dog bois dmg with explosions to ramp up a non explosive wep build

someone also said the aoe and dmg goblets from dog affect the fire corrosive combo but i havent tested that

[glad mist]

Explosive ammo is basically only good on dog

Unless you get a lot of skill damage

[vapid crag]

Dog likes overconsumption

Everyone does but the cooldown and speed is especially helpful on a character that struggles with both

And the shield bonus is a flat number so it's a big boost to dog's shield

I honestly think it's better than a lot of his exclusive blessings (minus atomic nade)

[glad mist]

Weapon genius is underrated

[vapid crag]

Weapon genius is great don't get me wrong

But if it's between that and overconsumption I pick overconsumption most of the time

[glad mist]

Atomic dog is op but I hate it when used in multiplayer

I don't really like overconsumption it makes early game too easy which at this stage is the only difficult part of the game

[queen citrus]

some of the enemies really make it hard to keep stacks of gradual improvement because of where their crit spots are. especially with the shrieker.

is shrieker on dog any good compared to doing a crit build with the tiger? explosion bonus on dog doesn't seem that good, maybe i am wrong

[glad mist]

Shrieker is harder to crit with, dog explosion is decent. but you have to remember that explosion damage is amped by skill damage

[tough nebula]

Hi I'm new, is there a way to read what the weak points are on something? I see guns that say more dmg when weak points are hit but nothing that actually says what the weak points are besides trying to use common sense

[fallen escarp]

Weak points are their critical hit locations. Most enemies it's the head.

The wiki has information on where the weak point for each enemy is, if they have one.

[tough nebula]

👍

[quaint maple]

is paranormality good?

[fallen escarp]

Almost always.

Most heroes value Shield/Armor more than HP, so boosting it further at the cost of your HP isn't that much of a sacrifice.

Exception is if you're playing Dog or are trying to use HP scrolls that are bad with Shields/Armor, like Resolute or Sanguine Relic.

[quaint maple]

i should also be increasing max shield instead of hp in scrolls too right?

for most characters

[fallen escarp]

Unless you get lucky and start a HP build, yes.

HP sucks unless you get lucky, then it becomes godlike.

[glad mist]

Yeah hp is only really good if you have something that stacks off of hp, lots of regen/lifesteal etc.

[quaint maple]

How the fuck do you play bird bro what

[solemn sleet]

Max cleave easy kill. :D.

[red glacier]

you dont

[fallen escarp]

To play Birb you have to be aggressive, but not stupid.

And if you want to get any recognition as a damage dealer, you also must stick to playing solo, because his multiplayer damage absolutely sucks compared to everyone else on high difficulties.

[quaint maple]

Yeah im just abusing dual edge and spores with him lmao

[halcyon flame]

how do I do that. anyone wana help a brother out?

does that also mean I could edit the spirit essence in my file?

[red glacier]

you can't exactly edit your save

but you can load someone else's save

there has to be a YouTube tutorial on it

[spark raven]

does anyone have the issue of the game capping at 60fps when playing borderless

[shadow notch]

can wild hunt not get mag gemini anymore?

ive rolled over 10k gold this rin

and still havent gotten it

[fallen escarp]

If you have mag size is 2 inscription, you cannot get it.

You can see a little icon when reforging that tells you what geminis are currently not allowed for that weapon.

[shadow notch]

man

that's exactly what i had

i ended up spending so much gold

was playing turtle tho so it didn't matter

[vivid socket]

hello how wanna join me in my game looking for 1 more players

[fallen escarp]

#1064937664870101033 is for searching for players.

[vivid socket]

thanks

[shadow notch]

how does fierce wings work with injector

does it work the same as it does with wait for good?

[queen citrus]

finally broke 10 mil in one shot with the shrieker. wasn't an even number so i think it could have been higher

[pearl garden]

Damn I'm stupid and calm

Guess I'm never playing Bird again.

[shadow notch]

the penguins in the last stage have to be the most annoying enemy fude

they bypass all the damage negation scrolls and just kill you

[fallen escarp]

They don't. They just kill you.

They're Rogue Arsonists, but smaller, inflict more hits and do more damage.

[fringe crystal]

rogue arsonists but cute and fluffy

[glad mist]

Raw damage doesn't go much higher than 10m you have to use combustion or other methods

[queen citrus]

it wasn't combustion

[glad mist]

I'm not saying it was

It was probably just elemental damage

Lightning vs a shield adds 50% even onto the cap I'm pretty sure

[queen citrus]

i think it was lightning conversion with elemental share gemini to a fire weapon. had 50% damage to enemies in burning effect inscription on the shrieker as well which is why i chose fire. it wasn't like anything really survived long enough to inflict burning though. if i inflicted burning, the burn effect killed them within seconds.

[shadow notch]

what weapons r good for the armor break bird build

[fallen escarp]

Either high RoF weapons if you have Bloody Ammo...

Or just his standard ones that synergize with Victory Rush and Hail of Bullets.

[crystal dune]

Just came back to Gunfire Reborn, how do I switch game modes?

When I click New Adventure, its just Spiritual Assault with no option to swap

[rare quest]

you sure you didn't just misclick?

[crystal dune]

Pretty sure

I click New Adventure

This is the screen I get

[rare quest]

weird. I haven't played for 4 months since two days ago and it's still fine when I came back.

[crystal dune]

Yeah, the last time I played was last year

[rare quest]

perhaps try doing the spiritual assault and leave?

[crystal dune]

And the last gamemode I played was Spiritual

I will try

Nope

No success

Let me try daily challenge

Nope

[rare quest]

try switching profile?

[crystal dune]

That worked!

Thank you : )

Odd bug

[rare quest]

doing random stuff works everytime

[crystal dune]

Apparently so : )

[glad mist]

It's still not 100% certain of all the modifiers that can break the limit. I've been working on figuring it out but it's difficult due to rng. No demo mode so gotta do everything with just the hope of getting the right stuff

[glad iris]

I mean, you can die after 20mins in the main mode as well. How is it any different?

[cobalt dock]

can’t say i understand that one

[queen citrus]

ok so how do i show the highest damage dealt per run in my player information screen? i had it showing it before but now it doesn't show the highest damage dealt per each run

i mean highest damage dealt in one hit

[vapid crag]

Does the bonus damage for hitting enemies under a certain elemental effect from inscriptions apply to the applying hit?

[fallen escarp]

No.

[queen citrus]

anybody know the answer to this?

[glad iris]

Main game mode doesn't show highest dmg dealt, only SA does.

[queen citrus]

ah ok

i know the randomness is part of the game but sometimes you are looking for one specific weapon and it never shows up. and you are too late into the run to abandon it and try again so you just have to use what you have. like i was looking for a shrieker the whole run and it never showed up. was using a combustion porcupine instead, which is fine, but i really wanted a shrieker

[vapid crag]

What's the most popular setup for Qing Yan at Reincarnation 1? Recently unlocked his 5th Talent on him

[queen citrus]

ok i am fighting gluttony with a shrieker and it is doing like no damage

this sucks

[fallen escarp]

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark, but did you give it CritX share and are shooting his head?

[queen citrus]

no i have a elemental gemini with a fire weapon

and i am shooting him in the stomach

absolutely no damage. i've been fighting him for like 15 minutes

[fallen escarp]

Did you take 15 minutes on every elite wave as well?

[queen citrus]

i dont think so. the damage seemed to fall off against the boss but maybe my damage wasn't that great. was playing as the tiger

i mean i had dual edge so i was expecting to do a little more damage against him.

highest damage dealt was a little under a million but the highest i saw against the boss was like 200k.

[fallen escarp]

Hmm, maybe certain explosive weapons do not ignore his non-crit damage reduction.

[queen citrus]

i wanted to go back in time and get a different weapon. it was such a slog

is grenade shockwave any good? i was thinking of trying it with the shrieker. i just dont like playing as dog that much

[fallen escarp]

It's like Atomic Bomb, but more balanced.

If such a thing can even exist.

Also makes Frenzied Shark actually useful.

[ionic bolt]

Wait so, does armed caster work with critshare gemini?

First boot since update again, time to science

[fallen escarp]

It does.

Armed Caster isn't as powerful as you might think, even though it is really powerful.

It's additive with general damage, so it already can have a chunk of diminished returns.

[ionic bolt]

I wasn't thinking of pushing already-stupid skills, but rather try to make some others a bit better
Say,

Counterviolence also looks very prone to abuse

[fallen escarp]

I mean I guess? But Overconsumption is better for a Leap build.

Counterviolence is prone to abuse.

[ionic bolt]

Let me guess, though

injector shenanigans?

50/50 crit rainbow mag per press

[fallen escarp]

Well just the general lack of aim requirement for high numbers.

But Rainbow and Radioactive Gauntlet certainly benefit a bunch more, yes.

[ionic bolt]

I was thinking of radio too yeah, it might be solid on it

if every altfire still counts as a fresh shot

it would still be quite the extra dps

[queen citrus]

i like counterviolence for the dark faced bandits or whatever they are called. so annoying trying to hit their crit spots when you are running gradual improvement.

[ionic bolt]

Also, are weapon type-specific jades still broken in SA?

as in, affecting unintended weapon types

[fallen escarp]

I think they got fixed already.

[ionic bolt]

wait, chromatic mag got buffed to pulse all elements every reload

as if saw reload spam build wasn't utterly broken already

[cobalt dock]

slapped on GI and went Tiger Cannon

[fallen escarp]

You seen Painkiller yet?

It got the same treatment.

[ionic bolt]

briefly heard about it here

I know exactly what bs to expect

[solemn sleet]

How is it, that i striggle to clear r4 on gamepass, but breeze through r8 on steam, with and without the extra modifiers.

[fallen escarp]

Because Reincarnation on Steam is piss-easy in comparison.

Gamepass hasn't received an entire year's worth of player buffs and enemy nerfs.

[proven pike]

Was so close! Started to lag badly on boss a few times

[inland breach]

nice damage!

[glad iris]

nearly 2 hours///

[inland breach]

here's a run i had a while back

[glad mist]

Commence the pissing contest

[red glacier]

https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1641440138688598017?t=Um_kXCjMdOiAqctBoV_Muw&s=19

Gunfire Reborn (@GunfireReborn)

Blowing sand and ancient tower...New battlefield is detected in Spiritual Assault. Wanna see some spoilers? Coming up soon!

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 2:00 PM

hype hype hype

[ionic bolt]

you mispelled
snipe snipe snipe

[glad iris]

Wonder if they're gonna leave out an elite and normal enemy like they did for the current SA map.

If they do I think it would be elite hermit and desert worm.

[glad mist]

So when building spores, which weapon do you upgrade? the shotgun or rainbow/radioactive gauntlet (i've heard that's what to build)

[proud shale]

Shotgun

[glad mist]

reasoning?

[red glacier]

spores applies a hit from the offhand weapon every 30 stacks

the rainbow isn't really there to do damage

but to quickly proc damage from the offhand

the higher the offhand weapon damage

the higher the spores proc hit damage

[glad mist]

ahhhh i see

i thought it was a mix of damage but that makes sense

thanks

[weak quarry]

this was the definition of "your fucking life ends 5 minutes from now"

it took so goddamn long to fire a shot

it reached the damage cap if I charged 10% of it though, hilarious

[glad mist]

I love that combo on the rainbow arch

[weak quarry]

I wish the charge time wasn't proportional to mag size though

[glad mist]

If there wasnt a cap that must be the highest potential single shot weapon

its crazy

It does take a long ass time to load

[weak quarry]

I think you can do better with the Shrieker

[glad mist]

How come?

[weak quarry]

you can get +100 magsize from the scroll combo and it already hits like a truck normally
it scales really well off of crit damage too

so you can either go for ~250 magsize or ~100 magsize + something like 7x crit

and you can use it more effectively with soul strike and get the damage bonuses from that

[glad mist]

Does shrieker scale with mag size?

[weak quarry]

well, with First Strike it does

that's what makes the combo with monkey go from good to absolutely bananas

[glad mist]

but does that add up to the rainbow arch?
Base damage = 332
178 ammo = 178 shots fires in one
332*178 = 59096
10% per ammo consumed = 1780
59096 * 1780 = 105190880
without any crit modifier

That's 10X above the cap without even having any other buffs or crit

Pair that with gradual impovement on lei lou and youve got like 11 critX?

1 157 099 680

Unless my maths is wrong

[weak quarry]

I mean, in top damage potential no
but again, charging that arch I got to 10% reached the damage cap

I bet you'd see something like 200m damage if there wasn't one

at the end of the day Shrieker with big mag and First Strike does the same damage in an area way faster

(a good Shrieker anyway)

[glad mist]

Well yeah obviously but i was talking about single shot

crazy thing is that's 1 billion damage without any lucky shot or extra inscriptions. imagine also getting the +1 projectile inscription, and having it as a fire weapon, casuing it to do combustion and doubling it lmao

Man i wish there wasnt a cap

makes me sad

[weak quarry]

yeah it's a shame

[vapid crag]

hi

[dusk abyss]

hi

[fallen escarp]

They left 1 minute after they said that.

[dusk abyss]

lmao

[queen citrus]

love seeing shrieker build ideas in the chat

i'm actually gonna try a shrieker build with first strike now. didn't know about that blessing

advanced depot first vault

this should be good

[proud shale]

im convinced that any account that just says something like "hi" and then immediately leaves is a bot

its too common

[quaint maple]

is spirital assault waves based on time or killing the amount of enemies?

[fallen escarp]

Time.

Enemies will infinitely come at you regardless of how many you kill, if they're allowed to.

Part of the reason why some find it so hard and others find it so easy.

Because if you kill fast, you kill more, and are rewarded more.

[quaint maple]

makes sense, alright ty!

[cursive creek]

finally....

[cobalt dock]

[quaint maple]

Bruh how the hell are you suppose to beat SA without spores?

[fallen escarp]

Other OP combos, or skill.

[queen citrus]

i beat it with a shrieker and the tiger. worst part was that i rerolled like 1/3 of my essence to get patient hunter. that one deletes groups of enemies and if you have magical supply it is pretty good.

[ionic bolt]

Cooldown reduction jades
Spores
Ao bai stop it, get some help
Mortar stop it, get some help

or a solid jade loadout with a plan before you start

alternatively pick one of glass cannon or buffer shield and instantly be sent to the victory screen

[queen citrus]

first time i picked glass cannon i died. it can really make you easy to kill if you dont have defensive scrolls

[fallen escarp]

The idea is enemies don't even get a chance to kill you, because they are already dead.

[ionic bolt]

act3 enemies also happen to have a severe case of idiocy

as long you move and are out of melee range, they can't hit you

[queen citrus]

idk it gets pretty crazy even if you are doing a lot of damage you might take some hits. it just takes one wrong move and you get hit with the shockwave of a few of those big club guys(forgot their name) and you can get knocked down. or if you dont realize there is a bleed powerful shark behind you.

[ionic bolt]

but if you don't have a good grasp on the game yet and want to utterly annihilate SA

Pick cooldown reduction on kill, cooldown reduction on reload, cooldown reduction every 2 casts (all primary), shotgun scavenger
Be birb or monke, get yourself a Hell or Saw

and reload your cooldown away

With rapid casting as first blessing

which, when paired with an empty Hell, can automatically refund your skill instantly after use

you literally cannot lose as qing with this setup once you get rapid casting, as you'll be in perpetual iframe

while monke has more variety and is more about damage, sending infinite clones
They can use spore as well, because game balance(tm)

[fallen escarp]

Huh, the start of Anxi Desert's spiritual assault is no one's fool.

You almost immediately get set upon by ranged enemies like Desert Coyotes and Bandit Gunners.

I don't think this is the case in Mid Fjord, but I haven't even reached the first red chest appearance and enhanced enemies are already appearing. Mid Fjord I think gets them after the first elite wave.

[ionic bolt]

what about snipers

unlike A3 SA, -2iq sidesteps probably won't dodge a horde of homing sniper projectiles

[fallen escarp]

Desert Boars and Desert Coyotes it starts with, then adds Bandit Gunners, then the Elemental Lizards and Lightning Swordsmen, and the first mid difficulty enemy is the... Rogue Villain.

[wicked python]

time to level push with mortar on a new map 😈

[ionic bolt]

for april's fools, they should make picking up a mortar or setting up an injector spore gemini instantly send you to the victory screen

[fallen escarp]

Rogue Henchmen appear at the first "Enemy assault becomes fiercer!" stage.

Also, most of the map is a maze of ruins. That may or may not make mortar bombing difficult.

Oh dear fucking god, I'm pretty sure Rogue Villains are firing at you from a longer distance than normal.

Huh. Elite Waves start the boss theme instead of continuing with the intense battle theme.

Bandit Tacticians appear at around a third of the way through the second part, Rogue Arsonists and Bandit Hermits about half.

Dark-faced Bandit appears when enemies become fiercer in the second part.

[solemn sleet]

at least those dark faced guys come in later

they are so annoying to deal with if you are running a crit heavy build

[fallen escarp]

They're actually not the worst of your problems.

I'm not sure if it's just because I'm not using a lightning weapon, but Rogue Arsonists are tanky.

Those are the bastards who are gonna keep you busy.

[solemn sleet]

arsonists are a problem. once i realised what enemies were on the new map. i decided its the harder one of the two

[fallen escarp]

So far the elites I've seen appear are Coyotes, Hermits, Lizards and Arsonists.

[solemn sleet]

elite arsonists plus the time based scaling is going to be horrid.

[fallen escarp]

On a completely unrelated note, I've found out why the map is designed like a maze.

[solemn sleet]

try doing dragon qian with an elite arsonist following you

[wicked python]

dude, freakin tell me about it

[fallen escarp]

It's so you can break line-of-flamethrower.

[wicked python]

this map layout is kinda intense

[fallen escarp]

Dragon Qian is actually really fucking weak here.

I took them out in almost no time at all, while enemies take some serious firepower to defeat.

I think they've decreased the number of enemies that can appear, but boosted their health.

Because I haven't seen Mid Fjord's signature enemy swarms yet.

[wicked python]

it feels to me like the spawns work completely differently on this map than Mid Fjord

it seems that the map likes to prefer spawns that are further from you than closer, honestly. Trying to get you to move around

So it could be a byproduct of that, which inherently means more enemies will be alive at any given time due to stragglers and thus prevent more spawns

[fallen escarp]

No, there definitely is less enemies appearing overall.

I could be hunting around and only spot 1 group of clustered enemies approaching.

Maybe 2.

Mid Fjord is a constant stream.

Also, Bandit Retainers appear in part 3. No surprise they still exist.

[frigid mortar]

New Highest 😄

[fallen escarp]

Desert Worms also appear in part 3. Interesting.

Considering those things do virtually nothing to anyone moving.

[wicked python]

seems they only appear in set spots, no?

[fallen escarp]

Yep. To the point that this can happen.

(If you're not sure what you're looking at, that's 2 Desert Worms on the same spot.)

[glad mist]

Lmao

[solemn sleet]

time for me to try

im gonna hate this aint i

[fallen escarp]

More differences between this and Mid Fjord, the continuous stream of Elite enemies starts immediately after the mid-section shop, instead of about 2/3rds of the way through.

And something to both ease the fears and to reignite them again.

No, you cannot have multiple Elite Arsonists during the constant stream of Elites. It seems to cap at 1, for 2 different elite types, at any time.

...But that doesn't stop a new one appearing immediately after you killed the previous one.

[solemn sleet]

allready

really

died to arsonist

[fallen escarp]

Well, that was painful.

Didn't even reach level 50, with a Deafening Mortar.

Of course, this was a Birb Mortar, not a Dog Mortar.

[glad mist]

It's is more difficult then?

[fallen escarp]

Definitely.

[glad mist]

Now I'm interested 😅

[fallen escarp]

Less enemies with more health, which means stackable kill effects are less effective, and due to the winding maze-like map enemies take longer to reach you, reducing how easily you can kill them and get experience for leveling.

So... expect Desert Frontier to get nerfed in a month's time.

But enjoy it until then.

[queen citrus]

was there an update?

or is that some type of beta test

oh nice

[fallen escarp]

An update.

[queen citrus]

ok what is the deal with ammo drops

[solemn sleet]

jeez the new sa is no joke

[glad mist]

Hmmm less enemies more health might make it easier to test my max single shot damage ideas

I feel like I should be hitting even numbers with the build but for some reason it wasn't

[fallen escarp]

Turtle and Fox might regain their glory in Desert Frontier, given you have to travel further to reach enemies and they have more health.

[glad mist]

Lei Lou could be decent in that sense. Fast base move speed and high one shot potential

[fallen escarp]

Shielded enemies are also a bigger problem too.

There isn't a single elite enemy in Mid Fjord that can get a shield.

Desert Frontier gets 2 of them.

And some of the biggest jerks have shields too.

[spice mist]

Is the desert spiritual assault map final boss also gluttony

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[queen citrus]

i like the map layout. was able to pass it on my first attempt thanks to lucky shot lightning gloves with an elemental share gemini to a corrosive rainbow. the map layout makes it easy to jump between buildings and dodge.

i actually think lightning gloves can be better than the corrosive gloves in some cases

[fallen escarp]

Well one lets you spread attacks to groups even if there are more than 4 enemies nearby, and the other lets you spread attacks to groups but without aiming.

Even in Desert Frontier Spiritual Assault, you may be hard-pressed finding a group of 5+ enemies.

Except like... the really late stuff.

[queen citrus]

i had them all clumped together near the end. the gloves were really nice for that

[graceful phoenix]

matchmaking still non existing ? meh w8ing over 10min and never find someone

[sour night]

man over 17h of playtime i havent managed beat normal even once

So far i maxed out Li talents and Prince is almost maxe aswell im like 83 total

[graceful phoenix]

and how is your general skill tree?

[graceful phoenix]

looks pretty decent for normal lol. i wonder where your problems are. when do you die the most ?

[sour night]

Im not great at aiming never was so i favor high firerate weapons. After i max Prince i Tao looks kinda tempting

I love Cloud Weaver as a weapon

[graceful phoenix]

if you are bad at aiming i can highly recommend "Lei Luo". the hero can be build around self targeting chain lightnings. no need to aim ^^

[sour night]

I tried him to frail right now

Hows Tao for a beginner looks like shes build around high firate weapons?

[graceful phoenix]

ye thats one of her builds yozu can play here around

[sour night]

Cloud Weaver is a weapon i tend to use a lot when i play Li especially when i get one with burn damage

God the game runs at like 490 fps with all settings at max and 4k res

[graceful phoenix]

i mean i could help you, but im not sure if its fun when i just run through everything and you just running behind me and collecting loot lol

[sour night]

i proabaly try to find group in the evening again i have to prepare food and then my workout and shopping calls

[hexed peak]

is there a text channel to find players to game with?

ST25N8KG53ZFGK

[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[vapid crag]

What are your guys go to spiritual blessings?

[glad mist]

I love a good gambler to make my build actually what i want it to be

the enhanced weaponry one is pretty good tho tbh

copycat is also always fun

[red glacier]

worry not

it took me 100 hours

[sour night]

i just unlocked Tao good lord that chara feels stronk

[delicate moat]

Hello, is this where I can ask for help? I'm a longtime fan of the game and played a lot during early access and at the time, unlocked everything. Since then I switched computers but none of my Gunfire Reborn progress transferred over from cloud and I no longer have access to my old pc. Disheartening to lose all my progress and even my animated first 1000000 bought icon Does anyone know if there's a way to recover it all?

[queen citrus]

so what's up with people being or pretending to be attracted to fictional cartoon animals? i was just looking through some of the reviews for the game it makes me wonder what we these people are like in person. like i can understand being attracted to something like jessica rabbit from who framed roger rabbit. but Li or Tao? there is like nothing to go off of there. it's just weird. sorry if this is a controversial take but it's just been on my mind

[sour night]

Any builds for Tao you guys could recommend?

[queen citrus]

flower chain is fun

[sour night]

Is there a site that shows other peoples builds ?

[ionic bolt]

If you mean post-run logging in the likes of detailled leaderboards, no

but the game is fairly simple as a whole, you can get a good grasp on how it works fast enough if you pay attention and catch the recurring banter around certain builds here

once that's done you can do whatever really
There's enough gamebreaking options to fall back on if your planned build is screwed by rng

[sour night]

The only thing i found was a speerunning site but i dont think these kinds of builds are for regular players?

[ionic bolt]

probably not, there's usually a lot of rng (and thus resets) involved, and most of it probably happens on lower difficulties

[sour night]

I copied a Weaponfocused build from that site but without the right weapon it falls flat. How would a build focused on Swords Out look like ? It would handy to have kind of a priolist which ones to pick first when they show up

[weak quarry]

hm, honestly swords out is just a bit awkward to work with in general
sword enthusiast III is great but oddly enough it's better to combo it with blade of bloom than the other sword-specific talents

ascensions, I mean

[sour night]

The weapon focused build without the right Weapon and scrolls feels kinda meh

[tacit belfry]

Oof

[prime rose]

Laser gloves, sword enthusiast and some other ascensions for more swords is all you need

Or radioactive gloves if you wanna be busted

[violet kiln]

what are the guns with quickest reload time?

[weak quarry]

||star devourer||

but if being pedantic isn't allowed, unsure actually

pistols reload pretty fast

[violet kiln]

yup wanted to maximize that broken 3x element nova on reload piece in spiritual assault so that one wouldn't work
I'll try a pistol if it decides to show up, so far foundry has been the quickest

[wicked python]

scalpel reloads very quickly

Hell could be good if single instances of reloading proc the nova, but I sorta doubt that's the case

[violet kiln]

hell works great! it only explodes once per reload but shoot reload shoot reload is very fast

the fact that it even rolled with +80% damage for the first shot after reload makes me think the game hears me tho

[fallen escarp]

Hell is the fastest if you only fire once per reload (0.45s).

Scorching Rounds and Wheel Saw are the next fastest, at 0.9s.

Then it's Scalpel (1.1s), Argus (1.2s), Thunder Storm (1.25s), Lightning Blast/Demonlore (1.3s) and then if all else fails, Foundry (1.35s).

[queen citrus]

spiritual assault is so much easier with the cat simply because of smoke grenades. the ability to apply combustion and miasma right at the start is a huge advantage. most other heroes you need a gemini to do that. hex smoke is also probably one of the best defensive ascensions in the game. best character imo

[glad iris]

Does Elemental Amplifier apply to gemini ele effect chance of the off hand weapon?

[fallen escarp]

Doubt it.

Most other things that reduce or prevent weapon-based elemental effects do nothing to gemini elemental effects.

[pearl garden]

Maybe I should actually try Spiritual Assault for the first time. Or I could continue to ignore it.

Maybe I'll do 1 (one) Frenzied Shark run of it.

[rugged birch]

Do you not like it?

[cobalt dock]

its good on doggo with the atomic like blessing

[fallen escarp]

A decent number of people don't.

[red glacier]

yknow what

I'm gonna admit it

rainbow isn't the best weapon

it never was, i was just trying to cling on to something that i found special, a mechanic that i adored

but it never really worked out, it was never good enough

the only thing i could ever hope for was that bugs that helped it be viable would stay in the game, which they eventually didn't

and as such, with this admittance, I'm taking advice on what i should switch my main to, seeing as the whole facade is over

I'm sorry for receiving y'all for these couple of years, it wasn't my intention to, i was just tryna rep something

[fallen escarp]

Finally, he can come to the light and embrace the Rainbow's better version... Radioactive Gauntl-

No wait, that's actually a pretty dark place to be heading. Stick to using Rainbow, m8.

[weak mirage]

ANy troubly finding a Spiritual Assault matchmaking?

(on PC)

I have been trying since yesterday, but with no luck. stopping search at 10 minute

[glad iris]

It's better to cancel and requeue after about 10 seconds.

[red glacier]

but i cannot

for i have been living a lie

[weak mirage]

A part from that, nothing I can really do?

There is not ping/region restricion I can modify to increase the search?

[weak mirage]

I am now searching for nightmare and elite difficulties, still nothing.
Is this game death?

[red glacier]

no

it's just that not many people play in open lobbies

most people play solo or private co-op

you'll probably have more luck going through our #1064937664870101033

[weak mirage]

Oh I wasn't aware of it

Any reason why most run private lobby? Much griefers on here?

[weak mirage]

Will do. Thanks.

[red glacier]

just a cycle of what you went through kinda

as in, not finding much people in open lobbies

so going private

but also, lots of people troll and have troll builds

[glad iris]

Don't know where you live, could just be bad timing.

[pearl garden]

Icy Spear gang
Icy Spear gang
Icy Spear gang
Icy Spear gang
Icy Spear gang

[glad mist]

Ice damage when

[pearl garden]

Can't dislike something I've never tried yet. Just haven't bothered to try it.

[red glacier]

actually

after careful consideration

i shall be a frenzied shark main

[vapid crag]

Counterviolence is great on monke

If you have a way of stacking crit on like a mortar or fire tower or something then that's also great

Not that many such methods exist

Uhhh the Tidal Aspis spiritual blessing that adds gun damage to the retracting attack should also work

[fossil belfry]

anyone else having issues downloading update?

[vapid crag]

I didn't even realize there was one cuz I don't play Spiritual Assault 😅

T&G build in Tombs, do I take a random scroll or upgrade one of these?

It's not a version of the build that uses chain lightning for anything so it's not timer

probably either abundant vitality or random yeah?

[glad iris]

what gifted man did you take?

[vapid crag]

vitality making my recharge uninterruptible seems really valuable, especially with a point of voltaic aegis already

I took the status clear plus damage resistance on Fatal Current cast

[rotund plaza]

got cat frame in R8

[sour night]

I gave Bird a Test drive today feels pretty neat my potatoe hardly matters at close range with Shotgun

Cat, Fox and Bunny are the charas i maxed so far. Bird is gone be my fourth

How does one properly build Bird?

[sour night]

I havent managed to get past the Third boss so im locked in normal difficulty

[queen citrus]

my first clear was with the cat. get an elemental share gemini with a high proc chance fire and shock weapon and spam smoke grenades. easy clear. just gotta learn the artillery patterns of the third boss

one tip to not get hit by the artillery is to move parallel to the ship when you know the artillery is going to fire soon. once you hear the noise or see the red circles, move vertically out of the blast radius. it sends the artillery to your location so if you are moving vertically you can get caught in the blast radius if you are near the edge of the arena and have nowhere to go. if you move horizontally you know exactly where it will land.

[fringe crystal]

Have you maxed your talents

[tall hinge]

some can play with me?

[fallen escarp]

#1064937664870101033 for that.

[tall hinge]

oh, ty

[sour night]

Bird is missing his last Character talent, Fox, Bunny,Cat i have maxed im like 107 overall

But havent managed to beat normal shame on me

[queen citrus]

instant toxins makes applying decay on large groups a lot less efficient.

probably the last time i will take that one

it also doesn't give miasma stacks since it is only one hit. normal grenades give a stack with each tick

[fallen escarp]

One of few things that actually deserved the buff it got.

[queen citrus]

maybe if you get all the upgrades for smoke genius and toxic smoke it is good. but the damage boost is negligible otherwise. regular grenades perform better

it is like the complete opposite of smogbound zone. i think something like smogbound zone would be more effective in spiritual assault since you have large groups of enemies. i love smoke grenades and was excited to see a smoke grenade blessing in spiritual assault but it just doesn't mesh well with how i use smoke grenades

[cobalt dock]

ye, i got perfect everything and wacked nades for 16mil per

but that run will never happen again

[red glacier]

okay thank god april first is over

i can now return to being a rainbow main

[fallen escarp]

That's a funny way of spelling Radioactive Gauntlet.

[elder ridge]

so uhhh

question
what happens if you take a normal scroll that does -50% base hp
when you only have 1 hp

will it kill me due to me having 0.5 hp or just stay at 1hp?

[queen citrus]

i dont think any scrolls can kill you just by picking them up

you mean something like devil's covenant with paranormality?

[fallen escarp]

You can never fall below 1 HP from picking something.

[elder ridge]

i think yeah
def the latter

[elder ridge]

ah ty!
that is good to know for future reference
i know the fortune chests(orwhatever their called) wont let you make a trade when on 1hp when it requires hp
but i wasnt sure anbout scrolls XD

[vapid crag]

Ooh bird is one of the characters I main. Good cooldown management with the kick is important. It heals your armor, it staggers enemies (thus interrupting their attack patterns and preventing attacks), the start up animation itself also let's you dodge attacks by making you invulnerable during it, it does good damage under the right set up, it does it all. It's also excellent mobility, so even if you're playing a shotgun or cleave melee build, it's an important gap closing tool on top of it's evasive properties. It really does it all. It is also, itself, an activator for some of bird's survivability and damage ascensions. Bird has a lot of defense and cooldown reduction, allowing you to loop leaps to be extremely tanky. The drawback is that without good ascension luck, bird has some of the lowest damage in the game, if not having the outright lowest DPS under most circumstances. But he's a good character to climb the lower difficulties with imo, where this issue is easier to circumvent with a decent understanding of good inscriptions, scrolls and the game's general mechanics

If you're playing solo and don't mind waiting, you can actually activate the armor healing of leap by hitting destructible environmental objects ie ammo pots, so you should always be entering each room at full armor for the best odds of survival

Bird can also die pretty quickly if caught in a bad position ie broken armor with leap on cooldown, due to being the only character with no passive regen

Thats a quick run down on the character. As for building him, there is no one answer to that. While higher difficulties kind of require you to somewhat know what you're playing ahead of time, lower difficulties require you to start flexible and narrow down based on what you're offered. For an easy bird example, if you decide to take hail of bullets as your first ascension, you might start looking for things like deafening mortar, tiger cannon, bone dragon, hell, or scrolls like preemptive strike in shops. Gunfire, like many roguelites, is at it's most fun imo when it's about finding and assembling synergies rather than going in with a predetermined "build", though the latter is admittedly viable, especially with the sheer power of some blessings on the reincarnation difficulty

[fringe crystal]

kinda clean duo fjord parkour, if only i snap turned after getting on the top platform

[thorny solar]

Wait bruh, you can do that?
LMFAO

[vapid crag]

I know of only 1 quicker way to do that section.

If you leap here as bird at the perfect angle you can skip basically the whole thing

but it feels so rare to get that room now, like 1 in 6 games for me

[pearl garden]

Man Bird's leap build really is just a spammable AoE damage cap isn't it

Petition to bring back elemental Leap so it can combust 💅

[solemn sleet]

Petition to not have a dmg cap

Im condused how dealing dmg cap worthy dmg, doesnt one shot things in stage 4

[shadow notch]

im hetting so fucking tilted dude

the triple sniper elite on the third world is so incredibly annoying to fight against

specially when you have to go against 2

[fallen escarp]

Try figuring out their weakness.

Or look it up. That's probably faster and way less observation required.

[shadow notch]

was gonna be my first r8 win

then the last room before the besr

bear

i die to elite gathering

[pearl garden]

Honestly I'd be very curious how my last Leap build would've performed w/o that cap. I was hitting cap in desert due to extremely good scroll and blessing luck.

Well, maybe not desert unless I rolled a lucky Leap. But it was regularly capping before Act 4 for sure.

[fallen escarp]

Did you have Mysterious Jokul active or pick Royal Guard?

[pearl garden]

Just took me 7 reloads to get a roll that wasn't + with enhanced cube. The odds for that to happen must be really low but I haven't taken a probability class in ages so

[thorny solar]

I know that feeling

😔

[fringe crystal]

[glad iris]

Yesterday it took me more than 10 reloads just to get with the normal cube.

[fallen escarp]

8.7% chance to land on Lightning or Fire 6 times before finally landing on Corrosion.

[pearl garden]

Enhanced cube. Unless I'm reading the "or" wrong.

[fallen escarp]

In that case, 0.137% chance.

[shadow notch]

mysterious

[fallen escarp]

Well that's probably why.

Guaranteed elite gatherings, and enhanced elites.

[solemn sleet]

robust armored beetle stage 1 >->

[fallen escarp]

Bloody Drill to pop them like a balloon.

[red glacier]

it used to be that way

ended up crashing people's games tho

[weak quarry]

that's other people's problem

I need numbers

[solemn sleet]

oh well. too bad. gimme no dmg cap

[fallen escarp]

You'll be the one crashing though.

Because you'll be the one aiming for high numbers which causes those crashes in the first place.

Not only will you be robbed of seeing your high number like you are right now, but the rest of the run as well.

[red glacier]

yes

[solemn sleet]

itll be fine. we will riot untill they fix the issue

how can big numbers crash the game anyway

what buggy code is that

[fallen escarp]

And they'll fix the issue by adding the cap again.

[glad iris]

How high did you even have to hit for the game to crash?

[fallen escarp]

Above 42m, that's for sure.

[solemn sleet]

make the limit 41m then :3

[glad iris]

Well you can already hit higher than 41m so I'm just trying to understand why the game doesn't crash with that.

[solemn sleet]

magic

[cobalt dock]

i did 42m before it was implemented, who knows

no numbers appeared above 20mil

[sour night]

I heared that bird is best character to do consistently well with how true is that?

[fallen escarp]

Low difficulties? Relatively true, if a bit of a learning curve to use him well.

High difficulties? Enemies won't kill you, but you won't kill them either... unless they do end up killing you first.

[sour night]

my current goal is to clear normal solo so far i havent managed that the third boss murders me i tried with: Fox,Cat and Bunny i havent reached the third with Bird yet

That is what my current Bird run looks like

[shadow notch]

good for room clear but unless ur weapon is extremely strong youll have a hard time beating the 3rd and 4th boss

[sour night]

I had a Wild Hunt and Angelic Aura

Is there build that makes good use of Shotguns?

My downfall is often Surviveability thats why i build more into to that

Is there a build that is fully invested into leap

[glad iris]

Just do a leap build, it can carry you through all of normal mode.

[sour night]

damit Third boss rekt me once again io was using cleave build

With a Wild Hunt as a weapon

[sour night]

I beat the third boss leap build for the win

[sour night]

Good lord i got a scrol that half my leap cd lets see how much i can cut it down further

[glad mist]

I mean with a couple good goblets you get infinite leap so...

[sour night]

Nice Lets slap All or Nothing onto Leap

and more Cd reduction

and i can still reduce the CD further

Im going Fully into Leap and Weapons

[wary raven]

is matchmaking broken or what? I been trying to get a game since summer, i just joined discord to see what is going on

[thorny solar]

I’m usually able to get matches just fine sometimes.

[tacit belfry]

Came in too late ingame

[vapid crag]

The act 4 elite gathering is rough

[shadow notch]

victory rush bird is good with shotguns

[shadow notch]

i know man

was so close to winning my first r8 then boom

[vapid crag]

The Calvalry is what usually gets me though. Usually by act 4 I can just dodge the sniper shots and slowly brute force it because I only just learned the stalkers tell, but if you don't have enough damage to kill the calvalry before it gets to you, it gets out of hand really fast

[shadow notch]

probably my fault since i havent looked up how to kill that triple sniper guy fast

so i just shoot at the clones till it dies

i had hella damage

just got cornered by the fire penguin and monkey

[vapid crag]

There's a brief window to shoot the real one before they teleport, no?

[shadow notch]

and shot at 6 times by all of them

[vapid crag]

It's hard tho cuz you have to snap to them really fast

[shadow notch]

i dont know how to tell whos real thats the issue

[vapid crag]

The clones all converge on the real one before they teleport so you can get damage in then if you're fast enough

The trick is that the real one burst fires while the clones only shoot once at a time

[shadow notch]

ohhhh

i see

yeah now i know that its over

i was going argus monkey for a 2nd skill

not argus

the shotgun pistol

[vapid crag]

Sunder

[shadow notch]

had no idea what i was building but it was working

ye

[vapid crag]

Pistol monke is a real thing

Just to make your primary get secondary skill damage if you're stacking that

[shadow notch]

im assuming that the multi hit on same target cudgel ascencion is good with that build?

since that other ascension grants +30% if u hit the same target with secondary

[vapid crag]

It's okay

It's redundant though, if your cudgel is already one-shotting, which it can easily do under the right circumstances

But even then it's hard to get like Lei Luo boss one-shotting levels of damage, so it can help it do that if there are no better options

[shadow notch]

i see

[vapid crag]

Ah you mean in the essence chain build

[shadow notch]

ye

[vapid crag]

Those tend to have a bit less outright damage and it does synergize with that ascension yeah

[shadow notch]

essence chain pistol build

[vapid crag]

So it can be pretty nice

[shadow notch]

i rly like how versatile monkey is

[vapid crag]

Yeah same

No matter what you're doing, you want to be shooting, using your primary and your secondary, and there's a way to get utility out of any weapon type

Compared to like Bird who I also really like playing, most builds are at best using Cleave to apply death mark, if even that

Or like not every Tao build gets a ton out of Sword's Out

Etc etc

Monkey feels the most like he's actually playing the game because you want good synergy out of everything on your build, from the inscriptions to the scrolls to the blessings, whereas something like Li can kind of spam one ability or no abilities and win

The downside is monke can get hit with bad RNG and really suffer for it

[thorny solar]

How good is monkey?
My friends (one of which mains monkey) keep telling me that like he and turtle are the worst characters.
And that monkey relies a lot in rng to get the right ascensions and function.

[vapid crag]

Nah lol

[thorny solar]

Ah

[vapid crag]

Monkey isn't the best character but he's definitely far from the worst

[fringe crystal]

Who would you say is the worst

[vapid crag]

It depends

Overall I'd say dog

[fringe crystal]

2nd worst?

[vapid crag]

Bird sadly lol

Or Tao

[fringe crystal]

Def tao

I thought bird was pretty good?

[vapid crag]

Like I said it depends

[fringe crystal]

Tao does like no dmg in R8

[vapid crag]

If you force the same build every time on reincarnation I genuinely don't believe there is a worst character

[fringe crystal]

Well, multiplayer atleast

[thorny solar]

;~;

[vapid crag]

And I don't just mean spores or using the extra modifiers like spiritual link

Everyone has an OP build around blessing lol

But bird can run into some problems

Mainly damage

And you can get slaughtered if you don't find good armor regen early

If you get a damage blessing and a survival ascension tho bird comes online in a huge way

It's just about getting there

[thorny solar]

I play on SA so much I forgot how to play the main game, aha

[glad mist]

I mean you say that but i had an insane demonlore run with her just now and a godlike bloom build the other day

[fallen escarp]

Birb doesn't.

He's got:
• Very discounted Thunder & Glory
• Tiny Cleave damage bonuses and instant kills when the enemy is practically dead already
• Take damage for any benefit at all
• Diet Tsunami Punch.

[vapid crag]

I mean unstoppable momentum genuinely is pretty good

But yeah bladed cleave is pretty luck reliant

Oppressor sucks without Flesh and Bones

Double Tap isn't bad but it's super meh

Also like to be fair, unstoppable momentum and double tap being compared to those two aren't that huge of admonishments when they're some of the most busted things in the game lol

But yeah none of it is as strong as what other characters are getting

[fallen escarp]

Unstoppable Momentum is good...

But it can't make a build like other heroes can.

Reason I made a Thunder & Glory comparison is because they both have the same numbers. +1200% DMG and -50% Cooldown. It's just the way they're executed makes one good, and the other OP as fuck.

No hold on...

Right, Unstoppable is only +1000%, my mistake.

But anyway...

Unstoppable Momentum has to charge up both the damage and cooldown by hitting enemies. Only real way to increase the number is Gigantic Explosion. Not hitting enemies resets it, which is a big penalty for failure.

The damage bonus is base DMG, making it additive with Last Breath, which gives up to +600%. The difference between 700% and 1700% is only about +143% total damage.

The cooldown is a chance for a full reset. This by its very nature makes it unpredictable, as you will sometimes have it not trigger several times in a row, which can be really bad if you need it.

On the other hand, Thunder & Glory only has to charge up damage, and has several ascension/talent ways it can do it. Shooting an enemy, Thunder Nemesis, Bolt From the Blue, and that Chain Lightning Gifted Man talent. Failure to hit enemies for 10 seconds resets it, but since you get several chances to hit an enemy with shots, and thunderbolts automatically target enemies, this is hard to do if enemies are available.

The damage bonus is multiplicative. Its maximum is higher and it's multiplicative. +1200% total damage.

The cooldown is a flat -50%. No ifs, no buts. Half off, double use. Bonus resetting lets it remain, and it'll never fail you when you need it.

It's amazing how the subtle differences between 2 virtually identical things can have such a massive impact on how good they are comparatively.

[vapid crag]

To be fair, I don't find myself missing leaps much at all

Which quickly turns unstoppable momentum into an always on

While Lei Luo has to charge it up

Which makes a big difference at the start of levels, and versus bosses

Leap is a big area, so once you're used to it's travel path, keeping it up is trivial

The real downside to it is you can't use leap for mobility between rooms or to restore your armor off pots :p

Which is annoying but not too impactful

[fallen escarp]

Ever tried to hit a target that your teammate just killed?

All your damage and reset chance mysteriously disappears.

Also, thanks to the way the damage is calculated, Lei only need to hit a maximum of 25 thunderbolts to equal or beat Unstoppable Momentum with Last Breath 0... but a minimum of 4 thunderbolts with Last Breath 3.

You can get 3 thunderbolts with just a single target and Thunder Nemesis.

That number goes up the more targets you have.

This isn't even including anything else that also casts thunderbolts.

[shadow notch]

just beat r8 for the first time with pistol monkey

i can rest happy now

[warm whale]

been a while since i played, is spore still broken?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

[warm whale]

dang

[glad iris]

Worst character is bird. 2nd worst....there isn't one.

[shadow notch]

personally the dog sucks balls

[glad iris]

Dog has atomic, which does suck if you want to enjoy the game. Otherwise it's one of if not the most OP build in the game.

[fallen escarp]

Second worst is Dog, purely because he either has a bunch of problems, or you fix one so much that he becomes a god. No in-between.

Though if you're going purely by a levels of power thing, I'd say Monke.

He's decent. And... exists. His blessings exist too.

[elder ridge]

So
im doing an
Unpredictable fortune
challenge
i opened a golden chest
and when i chose rando cursed or legendary scroll it said i got penetration bullet
i got a stupid effective split scroll??

is that intended?
bc thats not in its 'rules'

[pearl garden]

In terms of players that are learning the game or are not versed in how to break the game in Reincarnation mode, Dog is my pick for the worst. He's slow and requires people to manage his cooldown and position correctly which is a big ask. His innate health regen is terrible, and if you're not cooldown canceling he's much worse.

[glad iris]

Do you have 3rd time unlucky?

[elder ridge]

if thats a cursed scroll then no

[glad iris]

It's not a cursed scroll

[elder ridge]

non of my scrolls are drop effecting things

[elder ridge]

normal scroll?

if so i dont have that either

[glad iris]

This

[elder ridge]

i uh

i dont think so?

[fallen escarp]

Is this negative effect active?
Appointed Luck: Possible scroll drops are limited to Curiosity Box and Effective Split.

Oh wait, didn't scroll down.

[elder ridge]

non of those include chests
only drops

[vapid crag]

I don't play co op 😅

[fallen escarp]

Well my money is on a scuffed translation again.

Where it actually means all scrolls are limited to Curiosity Box and Effective Split.

[elder ridge]

it happened again so probably best to assume every single damg scroll that can be acquired

not just drop

s

[elder ridge]

you have cursed me XD
i just got this

are those chests
the golden ones
or the green ones?

[thorny solar]

Red and Gold ones I think.

[elder ridge]

ah

also
is it possible
to have more then 1 vault on a level?

stage*

[fallen escarp]

In daily challenges it is.

Otherwise, no.

[pearl garden]

On this episode of I did it so you don't have to:

Ao Bai w/ two Icy Spears both with the "AoE over time" exclusive sucks. Even with Weapon Genius. Is anyone surprised? Probably not. But there you go.

[fallen escarp]

Nah, no one is surprised.

The spin's damage sucks compared to shooting at your feet, and the inscription isn't even that super anyway.

[vernal delta]

where muh dlc?

[fallen escarp]

In quarter 2.

[vernal delta]

it's quarter 2 right?

[fallen escarp]

3 days into quarter 2.

[vernal delta]

[fallen escarp]

You've still got up to 88 days to wait through.

[vernal delta]

wtf

lol, ok

[glad mist]

We only just got the second part of the Q1 update lmao

Give them some time

We got an update 3 days ago and you're saying dlc when lmao

[vernal delta]

Priorities

[glad mist]

For what

[solemn sleet]

Yo theres more ways to tell which sniper is the right one. First, the real one burst fires, second, the real one has a purple outline for a moment after splitting, three, the first one that moves is the real one.

They are the few ways that i know. Also, the real one is tankier than the others

[shadow notch]

i see

thank you all for the help

wouldnt have beat r8 without yall

also what was the update for

wifis been down for 2 weeks

[solemn sleet]

Bug fixes i believe

And fixing translation errors

[solemn sleet]

Also if you want ez wins. Once you get easy kill and the one ascencion that guves you secondarys upon killing an enemy with your secondary. You can farm stacks for easy kill on the third stage with the summoners, just kill the exploding lanterns. But thats up to you.

[shadow notch]

ye ik i beat elite the first time doing that

but now that i realized how much broken shit is in the game i limit myself to what i can do

[solemn sleet]

I sat there and farmed enough for my cleave to deal dmg cap and then moved on. Never played bird since tho

[shadow notch]

i farmed until 4k stacks then got bored

[solemn sleet]

Heres a fun build. Take crown prince, grab a fire tower as your secondary, a aura of venom as your primary. And just get advanced depot or deft hands and just use your secondary fire. Really fun build. And it works alongside most other builds for crown prince except orb really.

[shadow notch]

that does sound fun

[solemn sleet]

The fire rate of aura of venom secondary fire is

[shadow notch]

i like flowing light with energy sword or whatever the ascension is called

[solemn sleet]

I built an energy sword build with a golden bow

Tis was fun

Lately i just play support cat. Because playing in a team without one isnt fun

Especially on r8

[thin plinth]

cat + fox makes a very fun combo

nuclear duo

[solemn sleet]

Cat fox tiger 😄

[thin plinth]

even better

[solemn sleet]

And then just birb

Or bnnu

Yes bnnu

[shadow notch]

ive been trying to play tiger

him and dog r the only characters i rarely play

but i just dont know what do build on him

and just die in longling tomb

[solemn sleet]

Tiger can be weak early game, but super strong late game

[solemn sleet]

Ive played alot of tiger. If you were up for it i could jump into a run and help you build it. I wanna run some birb anyway

[shadow notch]

too tired 4 am here

[solemn sleet]

Ahh all good. Another time

[sour night]

I reached the fourth boss with bird yesterday but my damageouput was to low with my leap build

Is the Porcupine good weapon for bird?

[solemn sleet]

if on reincarnation it can be

uhhh there was a video someone did using it

yo @red glacier am i allowed to link youtube links here?

if not feel free to delete and let me know.

[solemn sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaG6sLwIac&ab_channel=Haelian

[red glacier]

oh, yeah that's fine

[solemn sleet]

heres someone i saw using it. try a similar build if you are struggling

he was on reincarnation 1 though, with some spiritual blessings. but give it a try anyway, as his stuff ended up revolving around skill dmg, but his porcupine was still doing decent dmg

[solemn sleet]

just wanted to make sure

[scarlet oak]

is looping a thing in this game?

[solemn sleet]

if you are thinking about risk of rain 2 looping, no. normal-r8 has 4 areas. spiritual assault has one big area that lasts about an hour. but there is no infinite gamemode

[scarlet oak]

ok ok

[solemn sleet]

that answer your question?

[scarlet oak]

yeah yeah

[solemn sleet]

all good, anythin else?

[scarlet oak]

no not really

than ks for the help

[solemn sleet]

all good have fun

[solemn sleet]

just had a bandit retainer deal 4k dmg

nice

[sour night]

My idea for bird was a build that uses leap to get bonus damage for their weapon and keep that up

[glad mist]

Bird, oppressor spiritual blessing, sanguine relic, flesh and bones, enduring caster, launcher

[sour night]

I wanted leap to constantly refresh Fully Armed but i would need push the Leap CD below 3 seconds if that is even possible?

Granted i would stress my hands a lot

I havent reached Reincarnation yet im still on Elite

[glad iris]

Yes it's possible

[sour night]

Neat

Today i try beat elite with bunny or fox and see how that turns out. Tomorrow i try bird again

[timid marten]

how do I break spiritual assault as the lightning kitty

[glad mist]

Get the goblets that makes you deal 100% fatal current damage in a 10m aoe of target hit

[cobalt dock]

Sting+FT always works

[pearl garden]

Tiger makes the Sting feel like an S tier weapon and it's odd.

[cobalt dock]

CounterV

[cunning plaza]

God I hate when im doing spiritual assault and then the game just decides to crash for no reason

[thorny solar]

I know glass cannon is super powerful and stuff but man
I still don't like it ;~;

[lavish quail]

Hey I haven't played in a while, is there a way to turn off spiritual assault? It defaults to it when I click on new adventure

[fallen escarp]

New Adventure shouldn't default to Spiritual Assault at all.

Might want to stick it in #1060159100006178816.

[lavish quail]

oh okay, thanks for the reply. I'll restart my game and if that doesn't work I'll post there

[hardy star]

at long lastttttt nightmare finished

[thorny solar]

Congratz

Now get the speed run achievement

Jkjkjkjk

[shadow notch]

i just cant play the tiger man

i think i just cant play snipers

i have no room clear

im so lost on him