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[nimble field]

Does glass canon give +400% Explosive weapon damage? I am debating getting it on my dog run, but half HP is quite a lot to give up

It gives +200% Weapon Damage and Skill Damage, so unsure how those mix

hallo!

[orchid holly]

I personally enjoyed the melee only run

That or run thunder for lei luo

[topaz turret]

this was exactly as meh as anyone could guess

[topaz turret]

thunder i.e., thunder nemesis type build?

[fallen escarp]

I know.

The worst weapon as the "worst" hero, without their biggest bandaid.

[pearl garden]

I vote Weapon Genius as a bigger bandaid especially in this context but yeah, sure.

Really Atomic isn't even a bandaid. The only thing it's fixing is his nade's shitty damage ig but it's mostly just an overtuned bonus.

[fallen escarp]

Dual-Wield can at least be useful without Weapon Genius.

Explosive Grenade sucks unless you have Atomic Bomb.

Unless you count staggering enemies as useful.

Which... dozens of other things can also do.

[pearl garden]

I mean it still staggers and the Sharks have nothing to do with grenade damage--albeit they overlap in ascension interest.

[fallen escarp]

(Reason why I excluded Atomic Bomb from my suggestion was so they couldn't use it as a fallback when they realized Frenzied Shark sucks.)

[pearl garden]

Yeah haha it's like people that go full T&G for the Tiger frame. Same vibe I feel ya.

Weapon Genius is just my goto "bandaid" for patching up shitty weapons because, well, that's exactly what it does. It's so absurdly overtuned it makes stuff like Tiger Cannons and Sharks wipe rooms.

[topaz turret]

oh dont worry i knew xD

[forest stream]

yeah a very short cooldown compared to most characters tho

like it happens so fast you hardly notice it

and I think she has an upgrade where every x shots fired increases fire rate by x amount up to a max or something?

Man when I used that...that was soo good

oh yeah and kills refilled the ammo in the gun

was unlucky these past few runs sadly and didn't get that

[south plover]

Is it possible to get a different initial weapon than the starter one

Or switch it out

[vapid crag]

Imagine if you could forfeit the starter weapon chest for a scroll

[brittle bough]

Well you would never take a starter weapon then

[vapid crag]

Could add stipulations, like the scroll only lasts for the until the first boss then destroys itself

[brittle bough]

Still it's so much better than just random weapon with 1 inscription

[ionic bolt]

depends

a starter pupil or radio glove will never betray you

[pearl garden]

Starting with a Pupil feels like cheating lol. High damage, ammo isn't a concern, if you're Prince you literally win the game right then and there...a lot going for that weapon.

[muted kindle]

Hehe, Atomic Bomb build just feels right sometimes

[red glacier]

begone

[brittle bough]

Bomb dog 🙂

[muted kindle]

[thin plinth]

dawg

[lofty bay]

Right in the trash can where it belongs

[muted kindle]

[lofty bay]

Most hated blessing rn

And I hate a lot

[muted kindle]

Ah, was not aware

[lofty bay]

Overconsumption

Blessings too op, plz nerf all

[sturdy glen]

31m for x2 LW its fast or not?

[orchid holly]

Eh, it’s not a bad build, it just gets a lotta flak for being as stupid strong as it is. Plenty o’ broken builds on the table up for grabs

Worst IMO is buffer shield/spirit feline. At least with atomic dog you can still take damage

[muted gyro]

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about those sets.

[muted kindle]

If I don't blow them up first

[sturdy glen]

well 😅

3,6kk per grenade

[red glacier]

p nice time

#speedrun-discussion we're waiting on your arrival

[cinder perch]

I thought double explosions would add 1 grenade not no, it went from 16 to 32.

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-tf2-taunt-kaboom-team-fortress2-gif-22203914

[sturdy glen]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-worried-anxious-scared-gif-17776670

[muted kindle]

Actually all it does is throw 2 grenades instead of 1, without the double consumption

So when the skill procs, you can throw, like 48 grenades

If you have double secondary skill doubling that is

[gusty widget]

anybody wanna do a spiritual assault run?

[orchid holly]

#1056086366775160933

[topaz turret]

someone pls give an op build to try ❤️

well aside from nade dog lol

or bird leap

[fallen escarp]

Saying Birb leap is OP. I can only assume you're talking about Spiritual Assault.

[topaz turret]

i only say op cause i had this run lol

https://discordapp.com/channels/656699542967812106/750664488637693952/1060472514075181069

[fallen escarp]

Radioactive Gauntlet with Argus/Wild Hunt/Hell as offhand, with Spore gemini.

There you go, an OP Spiritual Assault build.

Well, OP regardless, but more OP in Spiritual Assault.

[topaz turret]

i always feel like radio for spore makes me have to think too much xD

id rather hold left click with the rainbow lmao

[topaz turret]

hmm mayhaps i throw bun on this and really wreck shop

[topaz turret]

u still lookin for someone?

[fallen escarp]

You occasionally click right click but kill 4 enemies at once.

A "fair" tradeoff.

[topaz turret]

if uve got a build for reinc mode ill give that a shot instead 😛

[gusty widget]

yes

[gusty widget]

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[proper beacon]

To play with other players, head over to the LFG posts and follow the instructions:
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[topaz turret]

ST25N8KFXREHDL

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To play with other players, head over to the LFG posts and follow the instructions:
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[topaz turret]

i have joined anotherone lol

we've got two in here

[orchid holly]

Well I could use a fun build/run if you have any. Not lookin for OP

[cinder perch]

SA: dual fang + BRB

[fallen escarp]

Gradual Improvement with shotguns.

Up to +9.0x CritX on low CritX weapons that can reliably hit at least 1 crit per shot.

[orchid holly]

So try a run with shotties and a decent crit x build?

[fallen escarp]

That's not a decent CritX build.

That's a "Take this blessing that would be OP for snipers, and use it on weapons that benefit even more" build.

[orchid holly]

Huh, interesting I’ll give it a go then. Any specific char?

[fallen escarp]

It's a specific blessing.

On a specific hero.

Specifically Tiger, to be specifically specific.

[orchid holly]

Oh gotcha. Sorry I don’t do many crit runs with characters so I didn’t know 😛

[pearl garden]

I love the concept of Gradual Improvement but dislike how easy it is to abuse

[muted gyro]

At last, I have unlocked weapon etching at the crafter. I can now be slightly-less-useless in SA 🤪

[fallen escarp]

Uh... weapon etching in SA isn't all that great.

The main goal is getting a gemini as soon as possible, and etching requires a lot of copper to make that happen.

Compared to Advanced Armory, which increases all weapon levels, making geminis appear at the first peddler+craftsman for free.

[muted gyro]

Advanced Armory... that's one of the SA tiles, right?

[fallen escarp]

Yes.

+3 weapon levels.

This also bumps up inscriptions to be level-appropriate as well.

[muted gyro]

I don't have that one slotted in right now. Let's see what I can pull out to make it fit in there...

There we go. I'll take that out for a spin later. I was curious to try out going as hardcore elemental as possible on Cat just to see how far that'd get me versus rainbow-spores.

[topaz turret]

was there tuning on the talisman? it feels like its missing more than usual lol

[glad iris]

Well it got nerfed a long time ago.

2 things specifically.

[fallen escarp]

In other words, no.

That's just Talisman.

[pearl garden]

Poor Talisman. We all thought you were so good our first few runs

[fallen escarp]

And then harder difficulties were added.

Suddenly your quick and easy kills became slow and easy kills.

[pearl garden]

"slow and easy kills"

I unironcially love that as a descriptor.

[spark estuary]

i am thoroughly convinced the elite mandril + stalker combo is cursed

i have lost 4 of my runs to these friggin idiots

the mandril just does too much fire damage and doesn't die quick enough

and the stalkers have a dumbass AoE attack

level 6 shouldn't be giving me this much trouble

i just keep getting downed by the dumbest shit

[hot viper]

throwback to that one time https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656702579702759424/1016958974777643008/unknown.png

[cinder perch]

miasma

[fallen escarp]

Actually it should be giving you a lot of trouble, but it doesn't most of the time thanks to certain things existing.

Groups of Elite Mandrill Cavalry and Elite Thunderous Stalker are the closest thing this game has to actual difficulty in the face of OP things, and it's optional for every difficulty except R8, where it only sometimes appears.

So if you choose to play with Mysterous Jokul/Royal Guard and maybe Lone Wolf (based on your extra blessing), know that you're really, really increasing the difficulty, but only at specific places.

[untold lotus]

Normal and Epic difficulty were too easy

Nightmare was a little tougher but i got bored half way through

[glad iris]

Is the lava puddle inscription on Justice affected by explosion size?

[fallen escarp]

Theoretically yes.

Don't know for certain though.

[stuck summit]

Theoretically yes (from dev).

[ionic bolt]

Interesting
So, 4 players ao bai lava justice spawnkilling in SA?
Doubt it'd be more efficient than mortars, but eh

[wicked python]

cant imagine anything is more efficient than optimal mortar spam lmao

[cinder perch]

do I have to keep mentioning the dual fang tao build

[wicked python]

its not as good as mortar spam

[cinder perch]

doubt

[wicked python]

the problem with the dual fang tao thing is you still sorta have to aim the swords and they cant pierce walls which means you have to actually be mobile and position yourself

mortar never has to move and aoe means you can kill entire spawnsets thru walls

[cinder perch]

oh ok

seems like SA is just broken

[ionic bolt]

The jades should be a clear indicator of that long before you even start your first round of it ^

[cinder perch]

I'm not familiar with the mortar strat but I doubt it's as much fun as fang Tao, plus sword guard makes it very safe

[red glacier]

what's the mortar strat entail?

[glass forum]

you fire the mortar

[red glacier]

yeah but what's the build 😭

[ionic bolt]

mortar

[blazing patrol]

Had session yesterday with doggo with dual Justice (one had lava mod he took in winterstage) on R8+Jokul, pumped out 1,7 bilions dmg
I didn't see that much dmg even on Tao abusing Rainbow+Argus spore combo who carried party.

[wicked python]

mortar right click spam on dog with AoE3 ascend and +AoE on Launchers Jade, optimally mortar also has +AoE inscript and exclusive to shoot entire mag in one right click, then u magshare with high magsize

[cinder perch]

Seems you need a lot of rng

To get dual fang (or fire dragon) using smg and injector scavenger is a guarantee. Then you just reroll jade until brb

Incidentally, is "injector" a mistranslation? Seems like a weird term.

Also idk how well mortar would do against gluttony, with two on tao I remember beating him a split second after immunity

Will there be other deadly sin bosses?

Do I ask too many questions?

[glad iris]

The difference between the Tao fang build and dog mortar build is that one of them is gonna get patched.

[cinder perch]

Which is exactly why you should play it before that happens

[glad iris]

I have played it and I honestly find it boring. There's no challenge.

I literally just stood in one spot spamming e and couldn't die due to sword guard.

[wicked python]

you dont need a lot of RNG for mortar build, I was only describing the most optimal which you do need a lot of RNG for

but to get any ol' mortar build running is very easy provided you build your jades for it

[lofty bay]

Why use a mortar build when Frenzied Shart builds can work

[vapid crag]

it would be a better build if the frenzied shark didnt fire like this

[glass forum]

to me it feels more like this

[rugged snow]

make it fire an actual shark in a frenzy

[glass forum]

happy?

[glad iris]

Now all that's missing is a tornado.

[rugged snow]

very

[red glacier]

new character time

[glass forum]

basically the mark guns

[lofty bay]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[muted kindle]

So does anyone have a suggestion for some starting blessings for Crowned Prince?

[barren wharf]

Overconsumption

[red glacier]

elemental orb is fun

[muted kindle]

I should reiterate, specifically for Lone Wolf

[barren wharf]

My answer stands. It can significantly flatten the difficulty curve

[muted kindle]

I might probably do Overconsumption, but it doesn't sit right to have it consistently go down with Scroll Aquirement

[barren wharf]

It will, but the drop in dmg boost is negligible

[muted kindle]

Alright thnx

[barren wharf]

As for Lone Wolf, the other starting one I would suggest smoke bound zone

[muted kindle]

And I suppose I'll do a fire cat run, since I still have one scroll I haven't unlocked 🫠

[barren wharf]

Paired with the corrosive explosion ascension it's just efficient and clean

[muted kindle]

So Elemental Orb/Overconsumption is an ideal start?

[barren wharf]

Each corrosive explosion's DMG is equal to total dmg the smoke would do within its whole duration

And smokebound just increases that duration from 3s to 8, a 167% boost

And if you get Toxic Smoke & Smoke Genius along it can just nuke almost everything

[muted kindle]

Yeah. I just don't wanna do another dog playstyle tho 😅

As amazing as Smoke Grenade is

[barren wharf]

Then maybe field proficiency

Straitforward boost to your weapon's final dmg

[muted kindle]

So Overconsumption w/ Field?

[barren wharf]

They're good for run&gun yes

[muted kindle]

Cool deal. Thnx for the advice

[barren wharf]

But elemental orbs are good too, though the net dmg boost may not be as high

You're still free to try combining different blessings

Many blessings are great but run on luck.
Overconsumption and Field Pro are 2 that's guaranteed to give you what they advertise

[glad iris]

Endless Assault and Smoke Bound can be fun, you get to play the toxic version of the floor is lava.

[lofty bay]

Right now Overconsumption grants such a massive boost that even when taking scrolls all the time, its still one of, if not the best option for a starting blessing

[umbral arrow]

someone wanna play spiritual assault? (no mic)==== DM ME

[red glacier]

#1056086366775160933

[muted kindle]

Lmao, not the highest damage, but kitty go brrrr

[spark estuary]

I angy

i usually play with spiritual link and mysterious jokul, and i usually clear them pretty easily but for some reason they were just giving trouble

i think the main thing is idk how to find out which stalker is the real one

[fallen escarp]

Several ways to tell the real one, but they're somewhat obscure.

1. ||The real one fires several times in quick succession. The fakes only fire once.||
2. ||The real one has more health, so it dies slower. If your target is dying too quickly, they're probably a fake.||
3. ||Probably a bug, but if you set the real one on fire and then force a teleport + new mirror images, the real one will still be glowing orange for a few seconds.||
4. ||When you see where the real one was during a teleport + new mirror images, if one of them remains in the same spot, it's likely the real one.||

[spark estuary]

thanks

[nimble field]

oh ye, ||if you put a homing mark on the real one, like rainbow, it will STAY on the real one!||

[red glacier]

that's why best weapon

[ionic bolt]

Haha nerf goes brr

[spark estuary]

i didn't even know about the bug it had before the nerf, and i still found it fun

[dawn sand]

What are everyone’s rules for r8 runs in terms of what builds weapons/ascensions they avoid that doesn’t feel too OP

Like, no rainbow spores, no rad glove, no Li (haha)

Just curious

[spark estuary]

[fallen escarp]

Personally it means that Spores, Spirit Feline, Advanced Depot, Radioactive Gauntlet, Atomic Bomb, Thunder & Glory, Gradual Improvement, Blossom Enthusiast, Tsunami Punch, Overconsumption and Li are all banned.

I'm sure I'm missing a couple.

[dawn sand]

Oh what about spiritual link

OP or nah

[fallen escarp]

Not really OP at all.

It helps, but not massively.

[spark estuary]

I mean it makes the game easier by giving you some passive buffs when you pick up a combo of scrolls but it's not OP no

i don't really play by any rules tho, i just use whatever RNG blessed me with

I like to switch it up alot tho

[red glacier]

no spore, no li, no atomic dog, no rad glove, no crimson firescale

[dawn sand]

Crimson?

Really

[red glacier]

yes

to me it feels v strong overall and way too versatile

[fallen escarp]

It's strong, but I don't feel like Crimson Firescale does anything super well.

[red glacier]

listen, you're talking to a rainbow main, i dont care if it does something well, i care about if it does something cool

[dawn sand]

Interesting. I guess the weapon special of crimson feels too powerful? I always felt you need to be pretty close to ensure the spread doesn’t negate a fireball

[fallen escarp]

Average RoF, cannot abuse high/low RoF things.

Poor stability by default, requires an inscription to reasonably crit and weapon skill.

Best it has going for it is that it's fire damage and reasonable DPS.

[dawn sand]

Why advanced Depot tho

[fallen escarp]

Too easy to abuse "reset on reload" inscriptions.

You never reload, period.

[dawn sand]

Hmm but against the flow really allows that same abuse

Without the -15%

[fallen escarp]

Against the Flow, Skateboarder, Hostile Gift and Ammo Extractor at least require you to do something to refill your magazine.

In Against the Flow's case, it requires you to use specific weapons, slow down your RoF deliberately or have a mag share gemini to never reload.

[dawn sand]

Very easy to keep 99 stacks on the Demonlore with against the flow imo

[fallen escarp]

Demonlore requires the second or third option to never reload.

It shoots too fast and magazine is too small, so using it normally will run out.

[dawn sand]

Idk, I don’t feel like I ever need it and I stay at max ammo in a firefight. It goes down in transition, but is always full

Well, maybe I’ve been lucky with a magazine inscription, because once I have against the flow I’m ok

Especially if I have added projectiles reset on reload

[fallen escarp]

Ah, that's what I was missing from my list. Demonlore.

That's also banned.

Just slipped my mind because with all the powercreep we've had, Demonlore is no longer the "cheese the entire game" it used to be.

Half a dozen things do that better.

[muted gyro]

Captain's log, day whatever.
Adjusted my Cat build for SA to get weapon upgrades faster. I'm geared for all-the-elements, which got me to Lv.30-ish before I got overwhelmed. RNJesus completely and absolutely flaked on me multiple times... or my build's just terribad. Interestingly, when I finally landed a spore combo, I went back to elemental dealers because that dealt more damage!
I feel that I'm at the mercy of my ascension too much. If I don't get Acidic Explosion, it might as well be a throw run. Same if most of my choice center on my E ability instead of my nades or elemental damage.

[dawn sand]

Haha really

[orchid holly]

I’d say Li is ok to use, just run her with melee and use meteors to enhance weap dmg (obviously avoid her primary ability)

[dawn sand]

You don’t think cataclysm is cheese?

[fallen escarp]

Energy Draining also exists.

[spark estuary]

finally

[orchid holly]

Not talkin bout using meteors as dmg, but to enhance dmg done by melee weapon

[spark estuary]

there's no reason i needed 10 runs to complete level 6 of this friggin thing

[orchid holly]

Basically you’re not using her abilities to cause any dmg, but using ascensions like “enemy hit by blazing meteor takes +50% weapon dmg” not to mention you’re using a MELEE weapon, so you have to get up close and personal to hit ;P

But yeah, if spiritual flame is the chedda then cataclysm is the gouda

[ionic bolt]

Funny enough getting downed resets stacks, so a fair lot of players don't qualify to reasonably use it anyway

[orchid holly]

The stacks do build up really fast though as long as you have decent aim (I know I don’t with smgs lol)

[crude lagoon]

L4G nightmare

[orchid holly]

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[deep ore]

I don't consciously make an effort to think of things I think are "too op"

That said, I really hate using Illusion. I basically never use it unless I absolutely have to

And demonlore

Honestly for me my winrate is low enough that I feel okay with abusing broken shit every once in a while but I mostly just focus on making things I know are shit work and that kind of self-filters into not using the super OP stuff most of the time

And even then some of the super duper OP stuff I don't use mostly because building them is boring

Spores is the best example. It's just combustion builds but there's only 2 valid combinations; rainbow/Argus and radglove/argus

combustion can be both big meaty single hits or many small hits

[wraith tiger]

The hexagon is stronk

Still in my first week of playing this game (on steam) and the monke is way too fucking fun

So glad I bought the game on steam lmao

That was only am elite run but 4 mil dmg is still more than my highest on console
I have around 500 hours on there and only got to 2.9 mil as the cat on a fire sword build

[wraith tiger]

Being like level 40 at the time of that too just makes it even funnier to me

[deep ore]

hexagon is too much fun

I keep dying with it because I just wanna block ERRYTHING

So I end up getting caught out and die lol

[wraith tiger]

Lmao same

I see a horde of big ass enemies and just right click and stare at them

[deep ore]

It's also an actually good rifle which is a rare gem

[wraith tiger]

As someone who is somewhat new to using a mouse to aim it's really easy to use and I like it

[deep ore]

Rifles are probably the most pointless class in the game because they're a class of all rounders in a game thats all about minmaxing

their design is fundamentally incongruent lol

At least most of them are

The exceptions are Firescale and Hexagon

[wraith tiger]

Firescale balls go brr

Before I got this game on steam I used the bloody drill alot on the tiger and it was really fun

[fallen escarp]

Pistols as well.

They're basically all just diet snipers or launchers.

[cobalt dock]

Throwables

[thin plinth]

wew, had to do it against the golem, wasn't too bad when I figured spamming uncharged fireballs actually did decent dmg

[untold lotus]

Why is it impossible for matchmaking to find players?

[topaz turret]

4am

lol

[untold lotus]

Its been like this all day

[topaz turret]

what u queueing for

[untold lotus]

even mid day, i wasn't getting anything

[topaz turret]

usually reinc i can find folks

[untold lotus]

i spent 15 minutes in each, normal, epic and legendary

nothing

[topaz turret]

hmm reinc i was able to find folks for a game today

[untold lotus]

but on xbox, i can find people within seconds

and the connection on there is so bad that its not even worth it

[topaz turret]

have u uh cheated on the pc version? a blacklist or smthing?

[untold lotus]

Nah, i just got this for pc the other day

[topaz turret]

i think the mods might have better answers than my random guesses

[untold lotus]

Beat normal and epic within my first few tries

doubt that would be the reason id be black listed if i was

[topaz turret]

what coast u on

[untold lotus]

east

[topaz turret]

whack im in the east coast and had a few queues today

btw

do u know that after 20 seconds (at least for reinc) it makes a lobby and sets u as host?

sometimes i have to re search to get it to find

maybe that was it?

[untold lotus]

I do have a question about reinc

[topaz turret]

again id be talking ab entirely out of my butt until someone with a bit more knowledge is able to provide insight

whats up

[untold lotus]

is it harder than nightmare?

[topaz turret]

so... r1 isnt if u understand how the game interacts with itself

but for all intents it is

its reinc 1 to reinc 8

and even some killer runs i've had get absolutely bfkd by the bosses

[untold lotus]

what sets it apart from the others?

[topaz turret]

you get access to "spiritual reincarnations" that sorta fundamentally change the way some of the heroes work

e.g. (for e.g. is redundant im realizing)

there is a reincarn for dog that has a chance to use all your grenades without using them from your inventory

so if u have 9 nades, theres a chance it throws all 9 and u have 8 left in your inv

[untold lotus]

interesting

what about the armadillo looking turtle thing

i still can't tell what he is tbh

[topaz turret]

turtle

[cinder perch]

looks like a sonic to me

[topaz turret]

alligator snapping turtle

[cinder perch]

the one time I went with atomic bomb I got to 32 grenades at once

[topaz turret]

under the wiki: https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Reincarnation (there is a section entitled Spiritual Blessings restricted to specific Heroes that tells you the hero specific ones)

[untold lotus]

Thanks for all the info man

[topaz turret]

no worries 🙂

[untold lotus]

I need to unlock it, just too lazy to deal with nightmare right now

[topaz turret]

if im good to go tomorrow, i can certainly run a run

pro tip

u can usually run an r8 (if folks are willing to run w/ a low level person) and unlock all

for nightmare ( there is a specific achievement for getting a run under 30 mins) if you use the bird its easy enough

thats how i ended up doing it

hmm

i got 30 mins to kill

[untold lotus]

I've been running the game with the girlfriend

she's asleep atm so i'll be down for tomorrow at some point if you want to help us

we could also use a 4th if we could find one

[topaz turret]

sure! i shall definitely see if ill be good for it

if i cant, bird is ur best bet

at least in my opinion

im sure some other folks can respond once theyre awake lol

[topaz turret]

specifically a very leap heavy build

[untold lotus]

What makes the bird so special?

I've seen people talking about it, but when i tried the bird it felt really pale

[topaz turret]

in general i think its due to the nature of his armor

its a bit more survivable imo

but also decent dmg

[untold lotus]

It doesn't come back after it hits 0 tho?

[topaz turret]

leaps give it back

[untold lotus]

I did find a build with the turtle that made you an immortal, i was pretty pleased with it

[topaz turret]

hitting w/ (and sometimes missing with if u have the right build)

regens the armor for the bir

d

[untold lotus]

ah so thats how you get it back

I prefer running the infinite punch immortal settup with the turtle tho tbh

[topaz turret]

heres turtle for ya

if ya ask people here, theyll tell ya some of the cooler builds they've found

[cinder perch]

fist sensation

[topaz turret]

heck the wiki also has good ideas for cool builds if u want

[untold lotus]

I'll keep that in mind

I'm more into the whole "wonder how lucky i'll be this run" mentality lol

[topaz turret]

that is also a very fun approach 😄

some of my best runs have been "damn how the heck did i get this lucky"

[untold lotus]

I know its probably not a huge accomplishment, but i managed to one shot the second boss with the shield 😛

on epic, i just had crazy luck with rewards and stacked up 80 to smash punch it to oblivion

guess it was a 2 shot?

[topaz turret]

heck yeah!

i think the final final boss on r1 i managed to kill in ~20 seconds

some of the really op builds feel fantastic 😄

[untold lotus]

seeing the numbers fly is a sensation lol

[sudden coral]

can someone recommend me a fun spiritual assualt build?

is monkey any good?

[cinder perch]

You can go hard into skill damage, there's a lot of cooldown buffs. I actually had a build that never had me waiting for either skill so I wrote a macro to press both keys constantly.

[sudden coral]

ok cool

[cinder perch]

It was kinda slow tbh

[barren wharf]

I do find Fire Tower on Prince quite fun

[dawn sand]

Which weapons have the glorious .2 projectiles resets on reload inscription? Also @fallen escarp was right demonlore with just against the flow needs management to keep the mag from reloading

[barren wharf]

I usually see them on SMGs

[glad iris]

Practically any weapon that doesn't have 1 mag, multiple projectiles, or is a melee weapon can get it.

[barren wharf]

Also I don't think injectors ever get it

[glad iris]

Also weapons that auto reload can't get it.

those as well.

[barren wharf]

Star devourer can

[glad iris]

star devourer doesn't

I've never seen it.

[cobalt dock]

i have

[nimble field]

So hallo, am here to ask about curious questions for folks, are there any Occult Scrolls that you find either far to weak and need of a buff or far to strong and in need of a Nerf

(While Enchanced versions should be talked about, I mostly mean Scrolls at a base)

[unkempt frost]

is there a way for my friend to reconnect to my game

[nimble field]

Most likely not, did they disconnect between rooms?

[dawn sand]

Gotcha, man that is powerful

[glacial flame]

dog is the best char

[sturdy glen]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-iron-man-gif-14282225

[dawn sand]

So some of the ascensions have different descriptions in the menu and when you select it from the golden goblet

Like empathy III says 10% chance to summon a sword on hit from the goblet and deal 100% damage, whereas the menu description says any hit can summon a sword ?

Is just one of the descriptions not updated or they are just saying the same thing

[fallen escarp]

Level 3 effect is correct.

Empathy With Sword's level 3 bonus is that any damage can trigger it, not just weapons.

[dawn sand]

Right, it just doesn’t appear that way on the goblet, it maintains the 10% chance statement

So I wonder if it’s any damage has a 10% chance to summon a sword

[wicked python]

It can

[dawn sand]

Well I guess my initial interpretation since the description drops the 10% was that any shot has a chance as in. It’s higher than 50%

But I guess if you’re using swords out, rad glove, and happen to have blossom enthusiast, you’ll be summoning a lot more swords anyway with level 3 empathy, thus improving sword enthusiast

I wonder if that ends up being a stronger bonus than amplified sword

Ice blade with level 3 sword enthusiast

Level 3 empathy vs level amplified sword

Seems the extra sword damage + ice blade damage + increase in sword enthusiast makes empathy the stronger pick

[nimble field]

See, the main thing about Level 3 Empathy, is that it can potentally chain into itself

[dawn sand]

Seems nice

I’ll probably rethink selecting amplified in the future

[dawn sand]

I did another test run and you’re right it’s just 10k per elite and boss didn’t happen where I thought I was just seeing 10k on everyone

[gusty temple]

Hello, I've got a question, in the new game mode does the "xp orbs" disappear after some time if you don't collect them like the weapons or not ?

[glad iris]

It might, but you'd probably have to wait a long while.

[gusty temple]

so it's safe to assume that you don't have to run across the whole map after each round to collect the xp ?

[glad iris]

You should automatically pick them up after each round.

[gusty temple]

"automatically" ? As in after each round all the remaining xp on the ground should be automatically collected ?

[cinder perch]

even if I knew that I would not take the risk

[gusty temple]

I'm asking because after each round I go take the chests and go to the shops (don't know their name in english) but I'm already short in time, so I don't have the luxury of making big detours to check if I collected all xp orbs

but if the xp doesn't dispawn then I can take all my time to collect it when roaming the map to kill enemies or just before the last boss to be sure I'm at peak strenght

[glad iris]

Yeah

[wicked python]

If it despawns it takes longer than any amount of time you would realistically spend

aka feel free to leave it on the ground for as long as you want, since like stealth said it'll just automatically all come to you once you kill the Elites that spawn at every 10min interval

[gusty temple]

Okay thank you =)

[pine fractal]

What hero is best for a foundry-only run

[gusty temple]

holy shit, how can someone think about doing a run with the foundry alone xDDD

good luck bro (lei luo can be a good choice I think)

[glass forum]

Lei Luo

[pine fractal]

Me.

Ive tried reincarnation 8 with ao bai with just foundry (and another weapon just to upgrade it) and i only got to desert stage 2 at most

No skills or anything

[ionic bolt]

depends on what you call "foundry only", something like lei could easily but it'll be blessings and ascensions doing everything

not very foundry-ish

[pine fractal]

yeah thats kinda part of why i avoided lei

[ionic bolt]

Foundry alone is just very underwhelming for r8, if you do plan to do a legit foundry-only run, expect it to take forever and a half

[wicked python]

Ur best bet is actually prolly still lei luo with Overconsump and Gradual Improvement as your two starter blessings

Tho I think there is an argument for Field Proficiency for the lucky shot which is very valuable in this use case

[crystal vale]

should I upgrade my main weapon or offhand while using the spore gemini?

[ionic bolt]

The one that gets the most increase from upgrading
Which is generally the shotgun statstick, and not the injector primer

[crystal vale]

I see, thanks!

[random ginkgo]

https://i.imgur.com/gffFByu.png

well this is gonna be a fun run..

[grizzled halo]

What is best build

[slender lynx]

I think I had a good run

[red glacier]

atomic dog or lei with high powered arc and thunder and glory

[ionic bolt]

Nah jeff the point was to actually use foundry

as in, main source of damage if not the only one

[muted gyro]

lmao I screwed up so hard in my R1 solo that I lost soul essence 😂

[red glacier]

tell that to the speedrun boards

[red glacier]

[snow minnow]

does xing zhe/monkey's cudgel use count as swapping weapons

[orchid holly]

If we’re talking abilities then wouldn’t cat or tiger be best with using weapon boosting ascensions? (I.e. hex smoke, shadow knight, etc.) (not using op ability builds, just the weapon enhancements for foundry)

or are we talking purely a foundry (not even ascensions or scrolls) for dmg and goblets are only used for gettin more survivability or not gotten at all?

[red glacier]

nah with abilities the weapon boosts are nowhere near enough

[cinder perch]

Doubt it

[fallen escarp]

Weapon bonuses for using skills are pathetic compared to the bonuses for using the skill itself.

Take Smoke Grenade for example. You have Hex Smoke which lets you deal up to +60% total damage, Elemental Rage for up to +120% general damage and Wildfire for up to +60% RoF as benefits for weapons.

Then you look at Toxic Smoke for up to +500% Smoke Grenade base damage, Smoke Genius which makes it do varying damage, Acidic Explosion for powerful bursts of damage on enemy kills, Acidominance for +120% corrosion damage and can passively trigger Smoke Grenades...

Plus Hex Smoke and Elemental Rage also work on it.

[orchid holly]

Yes, I understand that, including the very minimal bonuses given by skills. I was referring to the bonuses that you're allowed to use for a foundry only run, because if you're using primary or secondary abilities as your primary dmg dealer then doesn't that kinda defeat the point of a foundry only run?

I suppose my idea of what would be considered a "foundry only" run constitutes using the foundry as the MAIN source of dmg, using something such as hex smoke would be allowed because it gives better weapon dmg, but unless you take the other grenade boosts you'll really just be doing dmg with your gun.

I mean, I'm open to be corrected as to what is the official determinant to the rules in regards to a foundry run if anyone feels like educating me, but doesn't using atomic dog or spiritual flame kinda just make it an ability run instead?

[ionic bolt]

"Hey guys I did a foundry-only run look!"
Foundry DMG: 0
Skill DMG: 2 875 152 803

[orchid holly]

lol

[ionic bolt]

You should probably try out Gradual Improv Lei, and go for weapon damage/crit based ascensions

Closest thing to foundry-only without having to spend 6 hours in a run

[orchid holly]

that was kinda my thought, i figured lei or cat might do the best for that kinda run but yeah crit foundry focus seems to be the best option

Imma go take a swing at it

[ionic bolt]

I hope you have time
Solo foundry in r8 isn't exactly the pinnacle of dps

[orchid holly]

nah, gonna hit R1 first and go through em, haven't done one yet

[ionic bolt]

Lonewolf, overconsumpt+GI lei start then lucky shot stacking

Best bet probably

[orchid holly]

would picking up a weapon and just upgrading it be allowed? in order to increase foundry lvl as well since you cannot directly upgrade it?

[ionic bolt]

Probably, I've no idea what the official speedrun rules are on it, and foundry+0 in r8 would take you several hours

[orchid holly]

lol no kidding, alright ill be back in a bit lol

[haughty needle]

antone wanna play

[fallen escarp]

#1056086366775160933

[wicked python]

Speedruns allow you to hold a weapon and upgrade it to upgrade your foundry, yeah. But it doesn't really have any other restrictions as long as you dont use a weapon to deal weapon damage.

For example after this was discussed yesterday I did an overconsump+GI Lei start and built Foundry Only but I quickly ran into some technicalities that you sorta need to manually sort thru. I picked up Fire Hoop because I wanted to get the link to convert Foundry to fire damage(later combustion) but practically it was actually killing lots of trash mobs like beetles and bombers which for some is fine and others is against the spirit

I still ended with 99% dmg dealt on my foundry(1% prolly from Tbolts in FC and that hoop I later dropped) but its awkward to navigate to do Foundry Only if you're not at the complete extreme of ONLY the foundry.

Like, even blowing up barrels might be against the spirit of such a challenge lmao

[pearl garden]

People don't give the same critical lens for other builds. A "Bloody Drill run" isn't frowned at for getting a barrel kill or two. So on one hand I expect similar grace with Foundry runs. On the other, I suppose a "Foundry run" is at some level expected to be a bare bones display of damage and survival.

I'm of the opinion a "___ build" is anything where the blank is the primary damage source. It can allow synergies to better benefit the main damage source even if they become sub damage sources. But following that logic, going thunderbolts w/Thunder and Glory can quickly begin to outshine something like the Foundry. And in those cases, it'd become more of a T&G Build with Foundry support.

[fallen escarp]

An X build in my opinion should be where you deal at least like... 80% damage with your chosen build.

[deep ore]

rainbow arch exclusive is kind of disgusting lmao

only the second time ive managed to consistently hit the damage cap

first time was using the poisonous ghost exclusive in SA

[pearl garden]

It's even more disgusting if you stack certain inscriptions on it w/GI.

[deep ore]

which ones

mine were probably pretty suboptimal but they felt pretty good

[pearl garden]

I feel like there was one multiplayer Supreme Craftsman run where we managed to get Walter a super cracked Arch and it was history after that. Let me see if I can find what the combination was.

[pearl garden]

wait that blue text sounds like it'd be unironically good for once

[deep ore]

i think it would have been better to have it on the fodder weapon

but actually possibly not

at a pretty low point, I was hitting damage cap using only 40-50 rounds worth

with more optimal damage boosts I think that's realy all you need

maybe 100 max

I think I made a mistake not transitioning to a full explosive build by the end for MORE DAMAGE

[pearl garden]

So ideally you def want both exclusives. The one you had to allow full charges, and the one that multiplicatively increases damage based on how much ammo is consumed during the charge.

[deep ore]

OH

i didn't know that was a thing

but that WOULD be cracked

I barely ever used this weapon and honestly i still don't know if I would cause it's super goofy with the all-mag inscription

gotta charge my fuckin kamehameha

[fallen escarp]

It's like Li, except you hit 1 enemy.

Sometimes though, 1 enemy is all you need.

[deep ore]

piercing feels nearly essential though, I'd have been snubbed so hard by anyone with a shield without it

[pearl garden]

Well the wiki says that multiplicative bonus is "up to +80%" which makes me assume you can't reach higher bonuses if you overclock the ammo with the other exclusive.

But still it's a huge boost.

[deep ore]

i one-shot both icthyosaur and serpent

couldn't manage to get a clean hit on polar monarch though. even with the projectile speed boost the alt fire projectile is kinda slow and clunky to hit

[fallen escarp]

That's by itself. Default charge limit is 8 ammo.

[deep ore]

oh dear god

that will get comical very fast

[pearl garden]

so is it a flat 10% per ammo increase I wonder

[fallen escarp]

It is comical.

People have already played around with it.

[pearl garden]

Walter

If it does damage and is funny, Walter has tried it.

[deep ore]

now i'm only just realizing that hexagon is just the full power rainbow arch at home

[fallen escarp]

Unfortunately though, the sheer comical potential it has is blocked by the 10 mil cap.

[deep ore]

one of htese days ill figure out how to get a talisman to damage cap

that'd be extra funny

[pearl garden]

Combustion

for when 10mil isn't enough

[fallen escarp]

Dual-edge and exploding lanterns. EZ.

[deep ore]

ok but like, in a feasible run

i get dual edge maybe once in a hundred

i kinda think just going absolutely bonkers with lucky shot is probably the play

given that it can absolutely abuse the "150% LS on consecutive crits" inscription

[pearl garden]

I would assume GI is a must

[deep ore]

easily

crits are the only good thign about them

[pearl garden]

If only you could stack GI and Pyrodom III

[deep ore]

im gonna experiment

[pearl garden]

just to shill for that big hit

[deep ore]

i wonder what the best starter blessing for this would be...

i guess supreme craftsman? to roll for the god talisman

[pearl garden]

"the god talisman"

I feel like to hit damage cap with it you're gonna have to hope for combustion procs.

[deep ore]

combustion doesn't count to the damage cap

it only extends it

in terms of records

[pearl garden]

This is true

It does it in a weird way too. Not really sure how the numbers I get over 10mil are calculated at times but whatever.

big number go brr

[fallen escarp]

Modifiers that ignore the cap.

[pearl garden]

I feel like Killswap gemini was one of those.

[fallen escarp]

1. Boost damage with modifiers.
2. Hit the cap.
3. Boost damage with other modifiers that weren't used before, for whatever reason.

[pearl garden]

I had a 30mil hit on Monkey

Walter had a 100+mil hit with gets body slammed

nevermind

[glad iris]

I wanted to see how high I could hit with cat using pyro III and scorching force with ghost's exclusive 45% dmg increase which I've managed to get only to die to a yaksha thanks to glass canon.

[cobalt dock]

hit dmg cap in a Foundry room

[deep ore]

im not THAT funny

i'd love to tho

foundry is such a nice gun

[high salmon]

Is the damage cap visual or hard coded?

[deep ore]

you can't deal more than 10,000,000 damage raw

that's hardcoded

modifiers can boost the overall damage over that

[cobalt dock]

i mean hit 10mil with Rainbow arch in a foundry room

mine was fire and i hit about 13mil

[deep ore]

theoretically possible with that build i think

i was hitting damage cap with 30 ish rounds and had 180-231 available

lucky shot I think is the key

you want all the LS possible

[cobalt dock]

na, get both of its exclusives and you cap

[deep ore]

i wasn't that lucky

nor aware

[cobalt dock]

they combine way to well

[faint saddle]

Is there any source I could use to help me better understand how the spore Gemini works and how to make good use of it

[glad iris]

Have you checked the wiki?

[wise oasis]

SlightRNG also made a video on it
and there are spore gurus in the discord

IIRC its:
Get shotgun with high projcount such as Argus
Gemini spore on both shotgun and a rapid fire injector such as Rainbow, Gloves, etc
Upgrade the shotgun since its more efficient with your gold to do so

[wicked python]

this is correct, tho you can theoretically use it any weapon pairing, the logic for upgrading is really just upgrade whatever gets bigger damage increases

Like if you used an Angelic Aura and Fire Tower, you'd upgrade the Fire Tower cuz it gets more damage numerically from being upgraded

[umbral solstice]

Finally beat my highest damage with spiritual assault, Li the firemage go HYAAA

[thin plinth]

Li is so much fun, she's all I've been using tbh

[fallen escarp]

For good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) reason.

[thin plinth]

What's the difference between the different reincarnation levels anyway? Enemies just get harder?

[fallen escarp]

Tiny increase to soul essence, enemies have more health and deal more damage.

Reincarnation 8 however, instead of making enemies tougher, it adds far more challenge events to each act, including to boss rooms, and some events are significantly harder.

[thin plinth]

huh

I'll have to get to R8 someday then

only got to R2 recently

need to learn pole monarch better though, he's the only boss that really gives me a lot of trouble lately

[fallen escarp]

You don't need to beat him.

Victory at act 3 or 4 both count as unlocking the next difficulty.

[dawn sand]

Are any of the demonic auras exclusive to R8

[wicked python]

the events?

[dawn sand]

Just seems the “dark faced bandit or desert boar” only ever comes up on r8

[wicked python]

yes many are R8 exclusive

[dawn sand]

Gotcha

[wicked python]

not all of em tho, and some are actually exclusive to difficulties that aren't R8

[dawn sand]

I notice you also call it events, are they not called demonic auras?

[wicked python]

They are

used to be called challenge events, my b

[fallen escarp]

"Demonic Aura Diffusion" ended up being a placeholder for challenge event actual names.

[dawn sand]

Ah interesting, I noticed the spawns of the elite gatherings are the exact same with mysterious jokul r8, but the second we mix it up and we are suddenly surprised by an elite gathering that isn’t usually there

[fallen escarp]

Now it's just a placeholder for events that don't have an actual name, like "All enemies become Nihilation Monk!" or "Weapons won't trigger Burning/Shock/Decay in this area. The limited effect will be changed upon using Dash."

[dawn sand]

No I just noticed someone else earlier today called them events

[wicked python]

Anyway yeah those varying events are based on primarily 3 factors which are The Difficulty, The Level and the Room Layout

certain events can only appear on specific difficulties in specific rooms and only on specific levels. For example "Enemies become Nihil Monk" only appears on certain 3-3 room layouts and only on high difficulties(maybe R8 exclusive?)

[dawn sand]

Good to know! I really wish the elite gatherings mixed it up a tad 😅 it’s more exciting to just try 7 sometimes just to see the different spawns but the difficulty gap between 7 and 8 is quite large so it feels like a wasted victory

[wicked python]

youll never get enemies become nihil monk in 3-1 or 3-2

It can be worthwhile to turn off jokul to mix up events

[dawn sand]

My extra refresh 😨

Haha bhr you’re right that’s a good point

[wicked python]

since Jokul forces the 3rd room of every last level to be an Elite room it can kinda hurt variety occasionally

[dawn sand]

And all this time I didn’t really notice that

Also, where is my phantom boi on level 4

[wicked python]

There's potentially knock-on effects but no one has looked into it AFAIK

[dawn sand]

Knock on effects?

Also, would one argue that mysterious jokul is actually easier than non-jokul

[wicked python]

since the game has room layout pity(cant get a repeat layout for next 2 visits to that level) your challenge events and room layouts are potentially deterministic

[dawn sand]

Didn’t know that either. That’s awesome haha

[wicked python]

Hard to describe this thoroughly without writing a whole essay but outside of R8, you can only get 1 challenge event per act

so if you get to, say, 2-3 and havent had a challenge event yet, you know you'll be getting it in 2-3. Based on what your layout pity as any time, you can look at what potential room layouts you could get and then based on what room you do actually receive, potentially guess what challenge event you will be receiving once you actually load into 2-3

since again, only certain events can happen in certain rooms

A good example is the random elite spawn challenge event which can't just happen in any room, only certain ones. Obviously it would be poorly balanced if an Elite Spearman could spawn in a tiny tiny 1-4 room.

[dawn sand]

This is one of the events that jokul r8 does not have, correct

[wicked python]

I think it's turned off in R8, yes

its not dependent on Jokul tho IIRC. It can happen in R1 Jokul

but basically there is some theory that you could know what events youll be getting a decent amount of time beforehand based on events you have already received or have yet to receive. its some pretty deep theory tho and hasnt been rly investigated cuz its not practically useful for regularly playing the game

[dawn sand]

Still cool though 👍

So what about total damage

For a reincarnation 8 run, is there a total damage number that it seems to cap at? Or not really

I can’t seem to hit 1bil with bunny

On 2 players

The highest I had gotten was 722m for me and the other player had 180-190m

[wicked python]

dont think I've ever seen a cap for the total damage no

I've personally hit 6.6b in SA and I think in #hall-of-fame there is a REALLY old screenshot >10b

[dawn sand]

Ah ok, it’s probably our play style then, it seems like we are always combined just under 1B

[wicked python]

You only ever reach >1b if you are doing overkill damage

and only a couple characters do overkill consistently

Turtle, Lei and Li are like, most consistent overkill dmg dealers. Everyone else not as often

[dawn sand]

Like, dropping a 20mil fireball ? Or something else

[wicked python]

yeah

since even if that mob had 1HP it'll still credit you for the 20M dmg the fireball was worth

[dawn sand]

Good to know

Also, this may be a known thing but it’s nice that true damage from ice blade can still deal true damage in point blank

Honestly I think point blank and glazed barrier are the hardest events

See, I’m one of you guys now ^

😂

[wicked python]

yeah glazed barrier is messed up unless you have a cat to toss smoke grenades on big groups or something

and unfortunately its like one of the most common events xd

its even more common with jokul off iirc

[dawn sand]

Yeah I try to litter them with blossoms

[fallen escarp]

Glazed Barrier is one of the hardest events because it gives enemies a chance to actually shoot at you.

It also forces you to kill them in 2 hits, instead of 1.

[dawn sand]

Hahaha and the little pesky sword wielding guys get awfully close

Still not as hard as point blank

In the desert 🏜️

[fallen escarp]

Point Blank is situationally hard.

For people who put all their ascensions and scrolls into killing faster, it's a pain.

For those who actually have proper defensive measures, or play Birb/Turtle, it's practically just free +50% damage.

[dawn sand]

Ah, two characters I don’t use, but yeah getting up close and personal and trying to take out a sandworm

[fallen escarp]

Easier than you think.

They used to have slightly homing shots.

Now they don't.

[dawn sand]

They feel quite homey sometimes

[fallen escarp]

Feel, but aren't.

There's a distinct difference between what you had to do some time before, and what you can do now.

[dawn sand]

Well sandworms have moved up to priority 1 when they pop up

[dawn sand]

The glory days

[fallen escarp]

They're now basically an Octopus, except they don't move, have no corrosion damage, no chance for random spread which could catch you off guard, slower projectiles and an easier to hit crit spot.

[wicked python]

octopus crit spot 🙃

octopus crit spot when he has a high ground angle on u 🙃 🙃

[dawn sand]

Octopuss* is usually priority 1 as well just because they seem devastatingly strong, but haven’t actually experienced any danger yet because we just asap wipe em out

Not sure if I’ve had a lot of deaths from their bubble

But maybe I have and just didn’t know it, which is exactly how they are so dangerous

[cinder perch]

Don't call it octopuss

[fallen escarp]

It's chip damage for shield interruption, suppressive fire and the chance of Decay being inflicted. While it doesn't often screw you over, when it does it can hurt a lot.

[dawn sand]

Now change yours

[wicked python]

the decay chance is the big thing

[cinder perch]

What

[dawn sand]

I changed my nickname for you. Now you have to edit your post

Ah good to know on the decay, probably didn’t notice before and just deal with it, I feel that III is kind of the easiest of them all

[cinder perch]

Jesse what the hell are you talking about

[dawn sand]

1 and 2 result in more deaths

[dawn sand]

I honestly thought you were making a joke about octopussy, so I changed it to “octopuss*” and said now change your (octopussy to octopuss*) but you got lost and didn’t get it, and it’s fine

[cinder perch]

Where am I

[dawn sand]

You are disrupting shop talk aka lessons for me

But it’s cool, I should respect octopuss more, as I had learned their bubble dumper can be quite sinister

Haha nice you changed it

Also discovered that epic swordcraft is not necessary to absolute crush with swords on r8, whereas I previously felt it was the essential ascension to get

Sword shadow, luminous heart, and sword enthusiast have far more value, in that order for me at least

And field proficiency is just excellent in the absence of magic watch/ancient timer/flowing time

I’ve turned my back on energy storage, I think it’s value is more situational more than a must have as it can decrease sword enthusiast value

[orchid holly]

I just figured out how much I really hate the kung fu monkeys and mutant penguins while doing a foundry run, especially when the penguins are aggressive bleed and the monkeys are corrosive

[pearl garden]

Stand still challenge: kung fu monkey edition.

[[Impossible]]

[placid vector]

Game's fun

Tho matchmaking needs some work

[ionic bolt]

"What matchmaking"

[placid vector]

Ye

[placid vector]

What about developing servers?

[fallen escarp]

Game's purely peer-to-peer. No official servers.

[placid vector]

Damn

But, can't they be p2p servers?

like PAYDAY 2?

It's kind of bad waiting 10 minutes only for one person to join

[glass forum]

Use #1056086366775160933

[placid vector]

12 minutes in

Not a living soul

[glass forum]

Use #1056086366775160933 like I suggested

And also, you gotta bear with the fact that this game is not as popular as some other titles out there

And the fact that you can only join a game in the lobby and not during a game does unfortunately not help

So make a LFG post, make some friends and exercise a tiny bit of patience

[prime rose]

I feel like Lone Wolf has also made matchmaking harder since it's so OP. I've been having more trouble lately finding groups than before, but maybe it could just be getting unlucky

[glass forum]

We're also inbetween updates again, so activity is naturally low at the moment

Much as this being a solid game (100% unbiased opinion ofc), people also have other games to play

[orchid holly]

Kinda sad that it isn’t, in all honestly this was one of the few games I’ve enjoyed playing over a hecka lotta others. Not to mention even the specs allow for potatoes to run the game so most computers can run it at decently

Only exception I’ll say that I can think of off the top of my head is dog in SA with a deafening mortar and the extra explosion spiritual blessing. That can give a hard time being the flash bang it is for older computers

[fallen escarp]

SA does have a warning about requiring a beefier computer, though.

[main canyon]

All games have ups and downs, ALL games. Like the other guy said its inbetween updates which is the main time it'll be low

Also, idk if this is just me but I always find it harder to play roguelites that have higher damage numbers

I think my brain jsut cant do the math when it gets too high

[orchid holly]

true enough, but i do think it's more satisfying to see those higher numbers rather than say a 2 dmg hit against a boss with 100 health

[deep ore]

they... they nerfed Talisman. Again

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

the LS on 3 crit hits in a row now only works on the alt-fire for some reason

you can hit 2 crits, fire again, and the fourth will not get boosted LS

[fallen escarp]

Have you tried checking by firing 3 times?

It might not apply to any shots until it's activated and a new shot is made.

[deep ore]

i hit 5 volleys in a row on golem and got nothing

and even if it worked that way for talisman, it'd be the only weapon that works that way

they let the beams keep all their permanent LS boosts but it seems Talisman isn't allowed to have anything

[fallen escarp]

To be fair that's probably an oversight rather than an intended "fuck you".

[deep ore]

it didn't work that way before!

[fallen escarp]

Sort of like Wheel Saw not using reload time bonuses at all, despite having a weapon skill all about reloading and getting reload time inscriptions.

Mmm... could you imagine Wheel Saw, but as Monke with the Weapon Mastery blessing and a launcher offhand?

-75% reload time, AKA +300% attack speed.

[austere tide]

quick questions

Do meteor upgrades affect the goblet where i shoot a meteor automatically when firing bullets?

[glad iris]

yes

[austere tide]

ohh nice

[wise oasis]

i got so lucky with this unicorn

[cinder perch]

the talisman doesn't dog

I only dog

[dawn sand]

Maybe the VR realm will slowly increase the user base for this game 🤔

Will have to wait for more mass adoption of PCVR though

There are 29k in this discord
There are 1.7k users who are in the gunfire PCVR discord channel (not here)
So, 5% ish, pretty small number, but given that PCVR is 2% of the gaming market, thats pretty decent in my opinion

Now what would be even better would be a port to Quest 2 and Pico 4 stand-alone

Those products have nearly 20 million users and this game would be the absolute must buy game, has an incredible gameplay loop and has multiplayer.

A port to standalone devices has been communicated to the devs if they wanted to expand the market, by communicated I mean, directly contacted via Twitter, discord, and Reddit, just never got a response 😝

As always, we respect the decision of the developers and they can market the game however they see fit, but I think that’s a fairly reasonable way to expand the market to 10s of millions of players 😄

With the right marketing. This would be a bonelab/zenith type release (bonelab sold 1 million in the first hour, zenith in 24 hours)

Money on the table, the VR is already done, the android OS is already done for the game 😅 oh well

Final statistic for those who care, 1/3 games that enter the oculus/meta store clear a million in sales 🤷🏻 there would be 0 competition for this type of game, if there was, I would already have it haha

Anyway, I’m thinking of trying Dog again, someone said mortar build is awesome, explosive mortar maybe? Any tips ?

[frank salmon]

im new as heck so ive just been trying build recomendations off the webses

i play as senor monke

[frank salmon]

dang dude 21 is the highest ive leveled a gun so far nice

[remote marsh]

hello people

is li still balanced?

[snow minnow]

why did the lfg switch to a post-based chat system 💀

[glass forum]

check again 😎

[red glacier]

the channels are back

[remote marsh]

WOAH

[fallen escarp]

Of course. The devs wouldn't dare to ruin something so perfectly balanced as Li.

[forest pulsar]

Hello, which the best way to find an online game (im a noob, more or less)

i've written in Europe, and had no answer, I don't know if there is usually many people in that chat

[spring echo]

Idk where to ask my question but can someone explain the explosion damage scaling? does it scale with skill and weapon damage? just skill damage?

[fallen escarp]

Skill and weapon damage by default, yes.

However they are additive with each other, and it doesn't receive certain bonuses for skills, like Energy Sandals or Surprise Bonus.

[spring echo]

gotcha thank you so much!

[pearl garden]

🧂

Well, probably less salt and more coping with reality. Which, fair.

[fallen escarp]

It's coping, seething and with a hint of malding.

[pearl garden]

📈

[wise oasis]

spiritual assault naturally comes with higher level items and i think i had the added weapon level blessing and passive piece

[wise oasis]

honestly the lfg chat is your best bet, matchmaking never works for me

[thin plinth]

this game is making warframe pve seem more unsatisfying to me lol

literally only boot up WF for the pvp now

tfw I've still yet to get a single kill with the Goshawk

[rough tulip]

Question, how do you play dog lmao

Like what should you focus on while making the build

[wise oasis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpsEQtC2rVg

depends on what you want to do

Atomic Dog grenade build,
Dual Wield Weapons focusing on either spores or elemental effect combos

[thin plinth]

man reincarnation lvl 3 is something else

can't imagine how brutal lvl 8 is

considering I can't even get there in the first place lmao

to the chads that somehow got to lvl 8. how ridiculous is it?

[fallen escarp]

Varies from extremely painful to ridiculously easy, based on spiritual blessings and player count.

Better blessings and more players = less difficulty.

[thin plinth]

probably doesn't help that I was playing a character I'm not entirely familiar with yet (Tao)

Firefox browser is my usual go to character so far

[viscid frigate]

mfw r8 foundry only speedrun Monke is faster than Li

[loud timber]

hey whats up ive been playing gunfire for quite a while and honestly idk if im doing it right

should i be playing with other people? and if so i cant play online because it takes wayyy too long to queue into a game

[pearl garden]

Personally speaking, I find the solo experience more enjoyable/rewarding. But the game is also fun with friends if you have any that play it too.

[loud timber]

i do play solo all the time and it is really fun however i cant seem to get passed the 3 level

[pearl garden]

I don't recall ever playing with randoms online, so I can't comment on that.

[loud timber]

like the ship boss thingy

[loud timber]

i havent done that either lol

also have u beaten the game yet?

[pearl garden]

The ship boss (and the other Act 3 boss) are both huge difficulty spikes for new players.

[loud timber]

idk if im a new player i have 40 hours on the game im not sure

but i still cant get over it

i get passed the the second boss and get to the ship boss and i die all the time

any advice?

[pearl garden]

The game is a slow start but gets progressively easier the more you play. If you're struggling to progress, it's likely something you're doing that can be changed to give you a better shot.

Who do you usually play as?

[rough tulip]

not other than try to build mobility and dashes and when u hear the cannons go off look for the indicators on the ground

[loud timber]

lol idk the names of the heros but i played a majority of my time as the cat because i didnt even know that i could switch heros

[rough tulip]

also shoot the green medusas, they slow you a lot if you don't have snow boots

[loud timber]

until recently i played the dog

[ionic bolt]

Boat will wreck you if you aren't running any kind of build, which shouldn't be a problem past mid-late act 2, that's the main thing for newer players

[loud timber]

i try shooting the cannons and look out for the red circles but i always die

like bruh i just wanna beat the game

[ionic bolt]

Learn mechanics, and how things synergize together

[loud timber]

can any of yall VC? and check out my stream and check if im doing anything wrong in terms of my build

[ionic bolt]

you'll have to eventually

[pearl garden]

If you find yourself getting hit a lot by boat (easy to get hit if you don't have some AoE/range for the cannons), you might wanna consider some defensive scrolls like Spirit Feline, Flowing Wind, Overwhelming Shield, Gold/Silver Medal, etc. Or Cat's Advanced Shield ascension.

I would assume Hex Smoke would also help if you land a grenade on the main cannon in phase 2. But I guess I don't know for sure.

[dawn sand]

Is it when the shields are up on the boat that you’re dying? Like from the canon balls (the red circles)? If so, you just need to dash out of the way of those while you hunt for the right enemy to kill to drop a useful item that you may be able to use with that cannon that you walk by every time you reach the dock where the boss intro animation begins

I think a lot of new players seem to like ostrich runner but I find that scroll to be harmful because of the dash penalty which serves numerous purposes. Make sure to pick up a few speed/dash scrolls along the way

[loud timber]

Yeah it’s always the red circles part that gets me ig im just bad

[loud timber]

I think one time I’ve managed to pick up a double dash scroll that was really good

[dawn sand]

Just movement scrolls, be careful grabbing something like corrosion enthusiast (really slows you down) unless you have corrosion shard, then it’s great

[exotic fern]

anyone wanna play?

[lofty bay]

#1064937664870101033

[muted kindle]

Idk if I should be asking this in #speedrun-discussion , but does anyone have any tips for beating nightmare in under 30 min.?

[twilit chasm]

there are some tips in the pinned messages in #speedrun-discussion

[orchid holly]

I like ostrich rider when I don’t have those dash based scrolls such as strategic advantage or speedy pursuit, usually If I’m playing dog I’ll try getting that, resolute, corrosion shard/enthusiast, (and if I’m really lucky enhanced abnormal speed)

[twilit chasm]

but in general play a character you're comfortable with and only do fast vaults (1-1/1-2/parkour vaults)

[orchid holly]

Depends if you’re lookin for cheese easy or a normal challenge. Plenty o broken builds to go round. I did it with doggo and a justice as I’m the most familiar with him. So I’d also recommend playing a build you’re comfortable with, but be fast. That’s kinda key

Also a bit o luck with the ascensions helps massively lol

[lofty bay]

Back in ye olden days, ostrich rider removed the ability to dash. Much more forgiving now

[dawn sand]

Ah the golden years

A time of balance, I’ve heard the lore

But I am greatly enjoying the completely busted builds in this game haha it’s very satisfying

[loud timber]

Some times I take curse spells. Is that bad?

[dawn sand]

Nah

[lofty bay]

I hunt them down

Curses my beloved

[undone mica]

do Mid air strike and Rock hard determination increase ability damage or is it just weapon damage since its not specified

same goes for the other scrolls that dont specify but those two are the ones that come to mind

[fallen escarp]

Weapon and skill.

[surreal scroll]

what are some good weapon and gemeni combos for ao bai with weapon genius? like a decent weapons for spors build and some combos for elements?

[faint saddle]

Is the the rare +0.2 projectiles on kill inscription not in spiritual assault

[fallen escarp]

It should be. No reason why it wouldn't.

8m Element Spread would've had more reason to not appear there, but it definitely does.

[faint saddle]

Then I must have some ungodly bad luck

[fallen escarp]

It also doesn't appear on certain weapons.

All shotguns, injectors and melee weapons to start off.

Any weapons that don't reload manually, like Prism, Glimmering, Icy Spear, Star Devourer, Arc Light...

A few other stragglers like Sunder and Double Caliber...

Possibly Deafening Mortar and Tiger Cannon, but I'm not sure about that one.

[oak acorn]

what reincarnation level do enhanced elites start spawning?

[fallen escarp]

None.

Mysterious Jokul enables them.

[surreal scroll]

good ao bai combos with weapon genius?

[fallen escarp]

Sharpshooter + Golden Comeback.

Cancel Dual-Wield early and restart it every 5 seconds or every 2-4 lethal hits to become invincible.

[surreal scroll]

golden comeback what is that?

and i meant weapon combos mainly

[fallen escarp]

If you take lethal damage during Dual-Wield, prevent the death and heal HP instead.

[surreal scroll]

ahj

ah*

weapon combos tho? idk if i wanna go spores or elemental? tips?

[fallen escarp]

I don't play Ao Bai, so I don't care for 2-weapon combos.

[surreal scroll]

ah gotchya

[oak acorn]

thx

[dawn sand]

Bunny with fire dragon was definitely my most insane run, picked up at Level 3 with 4 inscriptions, 3 of them “exclusive”/orange

Never used fire dragon with her before, rookie move

[main canyon]

I mean, thats just an unfair example?

I find it a lot more satisfying to have numbers you can actually do the maths with in your head. When it gets to the millions or billions its just crazy but when its in the 10's, 100's or 1000's its a lot easier to understand

I dont find anything satisfying when Instead of hitting for 1,409,243 I'm now hitting for 1,691,431

[orchid holly]

True, though I suppose the idea of how high can you actually get that number when you start so low can be appealing (honestly I’m arguing a point I don’t even pay attention to lol) long as they drop then yous doin something right

[nimble field]

They show up on those two, It's just I so rarely see it on them

or at least, I have seen it on Deafening, not sure on tiger

[glad iris]

+0.2 proj on kill until reload doesn't appear on mortar

It can get the +1 proj exclusive though.

Besides Mortar's mag is too low for it to be effective since both primary and weapon skill practically forces reload.

[pearl garden]

💣
💣 💣
💣 💣
💣

Infinite ammo cheesing a x6 mortar like

Actually didn't they change the inscription to stack differently with the orange +1 projectile? I recall someone mentioning that. Unsure if it's still x6 in that case.

[lunar bridge]

question: if i want to report about the weapon type specific spiritual jades working on other weapon types, do i make an issue post about it, and do i tag it as bug? want confirmation so i don't do something wrong. issue post created.

[orchid holly]

True, though if you got mag share Gemini it would work just fine, I like having a 200 round deaf mort.

(Talkin bout reincarnation, SA would be more like 100)

That or advanced depo would do the trick

[limber lake]

So i finally beaten diff R3 with every Bizarre Dream modifiers on, with Qing Yan, second skill going 300k damage per cleave lol.

[muted kindle]

Ugh I finally got the "The Sky is the Limit" achievement

Now I can finally do reincarnation runs without worrying about a time limit -_-

[cobalt dock]

it would be x4 now, rip x6 times

[pearl garden]

[orchid holly]

[fallen escarp]

Still good though.

Enough to kill that enemy you shot at 4 times over, because you always can one-shot now.

[deep ore]

spiritual assault is making me sad

it doesn't feel like there's as much wacky shenanigans that can be done with it as maingame because of its structure

there's only one specific area of the map worth being in, there's really only one small class of weapons that actually work in it at all

it's really easy to just... run out of experiments to run

especially since it strips out a lot of the really great additions to maingame that made the experimentation potential so high, like Spiritual Link and a lot of the "general" blessings

the loss of spiritual link is especially painful

i got so used to 90% of scrolls actually having purpose

[fallen escarp]

You also don't start with a spiritual ascension, for 2 total instead of 3 or 4.

But that's more the "wacky shenanigan" side of things rather than the variety.

[deep ore]

which is especially bad because the first 10 minutes are arguably the most pivotal for setting up a successful run

if your damage is shit at the first bosses your run is basically fucked

because you'll be underlevelled and underpowered

or if you get bad RNG on the level rolls and only get weapons or something

[glad iris]

The one thing I like about SA is that it allows more experimentation with weapon inscriptions due to jades.

[deep ore]

the jades are a really great idea but the potential is curbed drasticaly by SA's insane bias to auto-aim/aoe weapons

[fallen escarp]

That actually can't happen. Level up reward types are always the same.

[deep ore]

i didn't think they could possibly make rifles as a class more useless but SA really took it off

[fallen escarp]

Always weapon-scroll-ascension-scroll-scroll-ascension.

[deep ore]

smgs, snipers and rifles suffer immensely in SA because they have such low AoE potential

as do non-autoaim injectors

except maybe fire dragon? idk

if you're building for injectors you might as well build around rainbow or radglove because they're the strictly superior choices for any situation

[deep ore]

neat...

oh there's also the fact that the only source of enhanced scrolls is via a nerfed Occult Booster

it might just be that solo SA is the worst

but i wasn't super impressed with multiplayer SA because the health pools spiraled out of control really fast and the "left behind" problem seemed to be even worse than in maingame

plus I just play solo most of the time

[balmy bridge]

can steam and xbox game pass not play together?

[fallen escarp]

Only Gamepass PC and Xbox have crossplay.

[balmy bridge]

so i cant play on with my friend on xbox game pass while im on steam?

[glad iris]

no

They're also not the same build version.

[balmy bridge]

maybe tell the devs to do something then

[deep ore]

the xbox/gamepass port is managed by different devs iirc?

[fallen escarp]

I doubt Steam will ever get crossplay with Gamepass.

Otherwise there would be no reason for PC Gamepass to have been made at all.

Plus many people have been telling, or at this point shouting at 505 Games to do something, but so far barely anything at all.

So telling them again won't achieve much.

[prime rose]

Injector build is fun tbh. Not any big damage but just extremely consistent

Too bad I didn't get extravagant consumption. I had almost 30k gold at the end while upgrading at every craftsman due to lucky Copper

[fallen escarp]

Now do it again, this time with Energy Draining and a fire elemental offhand.

[prime rose]

Is it better?

[fallen escarp]

Significantly.

[prime rose]

Ngl, I just followed your guide from the wiki, but since it didn't have any blessings in it I just went with this

[prime rose]

What about primary? corrosive rainbow?

[fallen escarp]

That can work quite well, though anything with a high hits per second will do.

[prime rose]

But the element type on primary doesn't matter?

[fallen escarp]

Correct. It matters a little bit for improving damage or applying effects in general, but the core of the build is the high burning effects inflicted per second.

[prime rose]

Ah gotcha, thanks

I'll try that next time.

[fallen escarp]

I should point out that the start is somewhat harder than picking Flame Dance.

But once you get a gemini set up, you should have much less problems.

[pearl garden]

Wonder what character can make the best use of Wheel Saw. Had an extremely niche run with Prince and an electric Wheel Saw that did pretty well and it had me thinking about better synergies.

Well, replace "best" with "other interesting ways to use this weapon." I don't really give a shit about the actual best.

[fallen escarp]

You might be able to do something funny with Energy Blade cat.

...Nah. Even an enhanced weapon skill still does less damage than Flowing Light's weapon skill.

And offers less movement speed, no guaranteed element, significantly less elemental effect chance and probably less AoE to boot.

[pearl garden]

I wondered if Wheel Saw counted for Energy Blade but just assumed it didn't since it's multihit. But then again so is Flowing Light/a mortar shell. Hm.

Tbh every time I've tried Energy Blade Flowing Light it just feels off. Expected it to do a lot more. But maybe that's just how it feels now that there's so much ridiculous damage stuff in the game.

[fallen escarp]

Most likely that.

What is a lightning weapon that can be boosted by Energy Blade for damage with an AoE, when Combustion is the exact same thing but not hero-specific?

[pearl garden]

best element /s

[nova rivet]

less than 4 minutes into a SA run and I get this

[fallen escarp]

Best element /s, best elemental effect /s, best fusion effects /s on some of the best weapons /s.

[pearl garden]

I do enjoy most shock weapons.

Wish it wasn't such a pain in the ass to get a Thunder Storm with its exclusive (thanks pistol orange text pool for being massive ugh). Because that on Prince is way fun.

[clever smelt]

hey all

im new around here

i really like the game even if idk wtf im doing

[celest flame]

is there a way to earn the dlc or get it without buying it? somehow my account has the characters unlocked but i haven’t bought the dlc yet O_o

[fallen escarp]

Normally, no.

Though I do have a creeping suspicion that playing with someone else who has the DLC will let you also choose those heroes.

[muted kindle]

Man, my rng with Ao Bai rn is not fun :/

[fallen escarp]

Yep, that's Ao Bai for ya.

Unless you fix him with one of his Reincarnation bandaids, of course.

[clever smelt]

ascensions a part

this build is so fun to play

advance depot with the poison gun is just so fun together

just get stuff that increase damage per hit

i just lacked life steal to make this build unkillable

[lofty bay]

I honestly think it is a fantastic Dog weapon

[dawn sand]

I’m never clear on how long it shoots for or when it stops, because it does seem to stop at some point with advanced Depot, and is there a way to stop shooting without swapping weapons

Regarding the weapon skill and advanced depot

[clever smelt]

it stop when you deplete the current ammo reserve when it was casted

any ammo you pick up after wont be filled in

i personally use my second skill to stop shooting lol

[pearl garden]

Do you just ignore the weapon skill then since it isn't compatible with DW?

Assuming in 's case it's more just using two at once as mashers versus going brrrrrr

[lofty bay]

bold of you to assume I wouldn't be running around with the chainsaw like a maniac all the time

[pearl garden]

ODA moment

[lofty bay]

ew

[pearl garden]

So you're just crazy got it

[lofty bay]

yes

[pearl garden]

I've dabbled a bit in single wield builds on him and they're really not that bad.

Just wish it didn't invalidate so many of his skills lol.

[glad iris]

It stops when you run out of ammo or after it fires 99 shots.

[glad iris]

^

[muted kindle]

Hey, so quick question. Is the Woodpecker considered a sniper? I'm going for Lei Luo's frame and don't wanna mess up

[glad iris]

yes