All Platforms

[last vine]

I wanna see the stuff the dakura has

[uneven vessel]

It is very dumb lmao

lots of high damage ticks

[last vine]

datura seems useful for secondary like the thorns were

[uneven vessel]

just noticed a bug lmao

[last vine]

it can trigger with a mutual repulsive

that's nice

[proven sage]

use the Matrix that follows you on Sui and you can finally go full range-melee

[last vine]

especially good for chain lightning build it looks like

[last vine]

or on bird and be sui 2(or 0 idk)

[uneven vessel]

When you kill the Dimensional Portal mini boss you can hear Crown Princes voice line when he kills monsters XD

despite not being crown prince

[last vine]

wierd

[uneven vessel]

yep yep

but funni

[last vine]

why does the game give me combat mode when I want the damaging one

and the damaging one when I want combat mode

[uneven vessel]

The game is pranking you

[last vine]

I was going for combat mode for like duel wield or cleave build and I got the damaging one and saw its interesting and then when I died I just decided to build that

[uneven vessel]

Yeah whenever I go for certain builds the game gives the complete opposite for me too

This legendary scroll 😭

it's too much XD

[last vine]

the scroll that takes health for money looks like it has basically no downside

if you are shield building

you don't care about your health

if you are health building

it's gonna regen

only bad earlygame

[uneven vessel]

I have flesh and bones + sword guard
infinite money glitch

Extravagant Consumption is going crazy

[last vine]

enhanced paranormality?

[uneven vessel]

nah

I wanna get Enhanced paranormality tho

that would be even funnier

[last vine]

I like how normal veteran is +1 hp for close kills

but enhanced

is +1 shield

which is even better

[uneven vessel]

yeah lmao

[last vine]

because of enhanced paranormality

[uneven vessel]

armor and shield is more important anyway UwU

[last vine]

even though it seems like it could just be worse for say ao bai

wait why does nona have more hp than shield and have an ascension for shield

[uneven vessel]

yes

just

yes

consume ascension. be happpy. pew pew

[last vine]

does flesh and bones mean your shield is always empty or always full?

or both?

[uneven vessel]

idk lol

[last vine]

it's 0/0 isn't it

nobody knows

[uneven vessel]

it;s just a theory

a game theory

[last vine]

0/0 would make sense to be 1

since it's dividing by itself

so it's full

but your shield is also 0

so it's considered empty

probably only considers empty

[proven sage]

its 0

[uneven vessel]

I want enhanced paranirmality so bad

[deep cipher]

Crown Prince is cheering at you in the background

[uneven vessel]

he is now my disembodied voice in my head

[uneven vessel]

Right now I am building up Datura for crown prince

the hero core is stoopid...

basically Acidominance if it was pack a punched or something idk

[dusk solstice]

Does anyone know a way to fix console join issue

[last vine]

how do you get it more damage

i can only think of elemental rage

[deep cipher]

Neat

[last vine]

is pf cult gone now that soul strike no longer does way too much damage with pf

[ruby hedge]

It's also great with flesh and bone cuz way more money, and it regens slowly. Only downside is if you spawn already in combat.

[last vine]

i dont think you ever spawn with enemies alerted

they dont know your there until you shoot or come closer

[ruby hedge]

I have had it happen in the temple a few times, but maybe I bumped my keyboard and took a step forward?

[uneven vessel]

I've took it from my name bc I ain't using PF no more haha

[winged vine]

Yeah the PF nerf was pretty huge. Monkey is about the shrieker now.

[ruby hedge]

Whats PF?

[lime garnet]

piercing flame

sniper, one of its exclusives had a funny interaction with monkey that caused really, REALLY high damage

[ruby hedge]

Oh, didn't even know that got nerfed. I tend to use woodpecker cuz I can spam click with it, or bloody drill for bleed dot

[thorny parcel]

Was in the latest update, among the Bug Fixes section.

[last vine]

why shrieker?

what is jet octopus good for? it doesn't seem to really fit into any hero's preferred arsenal

does it work for li well since injector?

I reckon its good on ao bai since everything is

and it has dual wield interaction that lets you use its skill I think

[thorny parcel]

Shrieker's AoE reduction on direct hit doesn't matter to Soul Strike, and Shrieker can get the CritX gemini.

[last vine]

oh is it best to run critx gemini with extended mag and the blessing for more damage for mag remaining?

[thorny parcel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged vine]

It's surely a fast way to get a lot of damage out of the monkey

Holds up in endless too. Not as well as old PF though

[cinder basalt]

I could name a half dozen combinations of blessings/gemini that I like to use with cudgel, and Shrieker works with all of them. IMHO good because flexible. But I don't know what's best for endless.

[winged vine]

I'd say want them all with shrieker and a shotgun offhand would now be the best for endless for the extra projectiles

[blazing hearth]

Here is a video about that https://youtu.be/cDjTmcwQDhU?si=cX1uiRc5sDly2vd_

[last vine]

how you guys feel about this?

[proven sage]

mixed

[proven sage]

what do you feel that its based on?

[last vine]

how good they are

I was thinking of both how they are at the start and their potential

[uneven vessel]

I need to conduct an Endless tier list

how effective they are in Endless

[uneven vessel]

My opinion on this is same as walter: mixed

I can see why Nona is where she is... because you literally dont have to play the game
however she is not the only S tier

Poor Bnu

[last vine]

yeah bunny could go there too ig

being unkillable and all

in 2 ways

sword defense and sword guard

[uneven vessel]

Tao is unkillable and she has the best DPS and scaling in the game

I need to at some point make an endless Tier List

I already have my top picks on the list

[last vine]

I find it a bit wierd how for li the best build for her is Spiritual Flame but if you are doing endless its suddenly the worst

[uneven vessel]

mhm! because it is all about how quick and how much you can hit

[last vine]

yeah getting energy back is a little slow

no cooldown modifiers other than ascensions

since the devs didn't bother to make cooldown buffs apply to energy recovery

[uneven vessel]

and the fact she cant hit as much with just spiritual flame
however you can make a pretty nice gun build with her!

I need to test everyone else but Li is probably gonna be around A or High B on my endless list

[last vine]

I always die trying to do injector energy draining build

I guess I'm just not good

[uneven vessel]

awe you will get the hang of it!
just gotta experiment and try with stuff
and scroll RNG

[last vine]

also for doing a matrix damage build I used the mutually repulsive that turns it into a projectile but the other ones also seem to be good for having the matrix do damage

combat mode makes it do a matrix damage when dealing 15 times damage through it

and the other one let's you place down several at once

[uneven vessel]

I am gonna try and keep my list not based around the seasonal powers

when making my endless list

[last vine]

do a tier list of each combination of seasonal power and hero

[uneven vessel]

Tao and Thunder Step instant tier of its own

[deep cipher]

Can't believe Ao Bai is in C

Here's my argument of why he should be in S

[uneven vessel]

I wouldnt say S but definitely higher than C

[leaden galleon]

is qian sui really that bad

i thought he was pretty good on r9

[uneven vessel]

none of the characters are really that bad, they can all become OP as all hell
||If we dont include endless journey||

[last vine]

me when i die in longling tomb 15 times in a row

does matrix work on injectors?

since no projectiles

[molten oxide]

are there any good gunfire guides out there?

[leaden galleon]

wiki has good build recommendations if you are new

[molten oxide]

thank you

(I'm not new I just haven't played since..... EA I think?)

forgot pretty much all of it

[leaden galleon]

damn

such a long time

[molten oxide]

there used to be a pretty strong content community but I found it hard to find any guides/tips out there

[proven sage]

i’ve thought about doing a video but never got to it

[last vine]

what gemini best for jet octopus?

[uneven vessel]

Not sure, I would imagine maybe spores...?

I rarely use it, which sucks because I think it's really cool

[last vine]

im trying to do dual joctopus

i wish the alt fire on it had rof proportional to the main fire rof

like 2x or 3x

instead of a set non changeable one

[molten oxide]

soo from what I remember

umm

Did that game get a lot easier?

[last vine]

theres a lot of things that have been added that make the game easier

[molten oxide]

for first strike build,

EDoes this phrasing mean if no ammo is consumed through any means it games 100% damage

so would the mortar be better

[proven sage]

good question

assumed 30% chance to +100% dmg

[molten oxide]

@proven sage do you know what the dimension portal does. for some reason I cannot find anything about it in discord, wiki, google...

[last vine]

are you kidding me

got all the way to gluttony and died

[proven sage]

its in the patchnotes i believe

it spawns enemies

takes dmg every second

and takes x2 dmg from your Devine Mechanism

[last vine]

you can just scroll down on the gameplay page of the season tab ingame...

me when im playing ao bai and die to the first enemy in longling tomb before i even manage to kill a single enemy

[molten oxide]

oh didn't realize it was like NEW NEW

sorry yall

[proven sage]

oh yeah, you said you came back from a 3 year break, right?

[molten oxide]

[long time yeah

[proven sage]

yeah, this guy is 3 days old

[celest tundra]

Heyuhh, question;
Is the sound effect for defeating an enemy is entirely replaced by the less convenient, and slightly annoying defeat hit marker? I can't seem to hear the sound effect when defeating enemies.

Incase if there's not gonna be a way to turn the defeat hit marker off, and bring back the sfx for defeated enemies, i'll use the ingame feedback function.

Okay, can confirm, there's still sfx for defeated enemies, but that long defeat hit marker still annoys me.

[patent swan]

So for tao secondary build, do I grab thorny bloom first or blossom enthusiast first

[heady gyro]

R9 Early game consistency tier list for me:

That's not a power ranking, just who is least likely to die before the end of act 2

Though Ao Bai and Qing Yan are probably about accurate...

[proven sage]

qing yan is usually the tankiest/least likely to die in the game

just that the dmg output ain't that good

[heady gyro]

I find that dependent on his ascensions and playstyle

I also find his act 1 is always pretty rough

I think my preferred playstyle for Qing Yan is a gun build with hail of bullets abuse, so ideally a mortar or wild hunt

[proven sage]

i pretty much just do gun, on any character

tip, try Double Tap with Wheelsaw

[heady gyro]

I mean.... If I'm not running gradual improvement on Lei Luo, I'm far less likely to use anything but crit weapons

[proven sage]

slap on counterviolence with GI and you can go like Crimson-scales

[heady gyro]

Well I mean, I'd use anything if I have GI

It's when I go arc or bolt build where I'd feel more picky

[proven sage]

skills = ascensions/blessings

gun = do what you want

[heady gyro]

Tao with a slow firing weapon is very miserable though

Or Ao Bai with a two handed weapon

[proven sage]

everyone has fitting weapon characteristics

[heady gyro]

And Soul Strike kinda sucks with SMGs or Rifles

[proven sage]

go A Good Man melee only ao bai in multiplayer

be the 50 deaths gamer

[heady gyro]

So yeah I could use an off meta blessing but be locked out of 2/3rds of the characters ascensions

While using any crit-based weapon on Lei luo that hits hard allows him to use almost everything

Like what's the point of Pyrodominance 3 if you use something that goes far over the proc cap like angelic aura?

Or a shotgun?

[proven sage]

don't use it then

[uneven vessel]

^

[proven sage]

every character specializes in different weapon types

[heady gyro]

Well... I can say I like Golden Bow and Tao but that doesn't mean that Golden Bow Tao functions particularly well

So yeah, I just use weapons that fit the character to some degree. Like Arc Light on Crown Prince

That's probably one of my favorites

[uneven vessel]

me trying to figure out what point is being made:

[heady gyro]

Well he's saying to pick a character that works against their weapon archetypes just to do it, and I'm saying I prefer to stay relatively in the lines of the coloring book, it's just two different playstyles

Like, people who enjoy using Talisman... Exist. And I can... Respect... That...

[proven sage]

some weapons fits more then you think, sometimes

[heady gyro]

If only I could play with people who hate Deadly Curse, Devil's Covenant, and Spirit Feline, and ping the Arc Light and Golden Bows for me

Because I usually play with people who just sell those 3 scrolls even after saying I want them

[proven sage]

some of the strongest scrolls in the game?

huh

[heady gyro]

Yeah, the regular LFG players tend to devalue those scrolls for some reason

So they sell them

[proven sage]

i never sell scrolls

only if they are purely detrimental, which is rare

[heady gyro]

I rarely sell them, unless it's Deflection Shield or Resolute, and even then I might drop it at the start of each room instead

Like, most players have a primitive fear of Airbag not working because it was glitched in the past, so most people sell that too...

[proven sage]

peak gamers

but do they Enhance Coin Shot?

[heady gyro]

I also don't get why so many people in LFG are obsessed with Flesh and Bones on shield based characters

[plain panther]

yea thats horrifying

[last vine]

awh i just found out taht enhancement lover + craftsman's inheritor doesnt work

after 3 enhancements it costs copper

wouldve been insanely op otherwise

instant max level weapon

[heady gyro]

Does it cost the full price after 3 or is it reduced?

[plain panther]

I think owl fell of a little bit with the new season

[heady gyro]

Fell off compared to who though?

[plain panther]

from s1 to now

Thorny Carapace really helped

[heady gyro]

Card build and reload build are still really good

[plain panther]

true, but the "AFK" thorns card build from S1 was

[heady gyro]

Haven't tried the new mechanic with AO Bai, does he have an unlock to proc his grenade build?

[last vine]

aw man my endless run got killed by a lizard dealing 2000 damage to me when i only had -20% defense

[last vine]

this seems pretty powerful

havent treid it yet

[plain panther]

ye same with the flower

havent gotten around to it yet either

[last vine]

ive been using matrix mostly

very good

[molten oxide]

how many upgrades can you have because I have almost 1 of each upgrade but it's not giving me option to level them lol

[last vine]

ascensions?

or talents?

[molten oxide]

talents i guess

[last vine]

talents is the ones you buy with soul essence in the main menu or after a run

[molten oxide]

from golden globes

[last vine]

goblets

thats ascensions

you get one per stage in the chest

[molten oxide]

yeah I have nearly all of them but not getting options to level them

[last vine]

and per boss killed

[molten oxide]

I thought there was a cap

[last vine]

and a chance from each elite killed

[last vine]

your just unlucky

[molten oxide]

Why does some of the newer text in the game seem... "half assed" translated

[uneven vessel]

perhaps they had translation issues

[thorny parcel]

Well there's certain levels of translated. "Google Translate", "Engrish" then "Proofread English".

Perhaps they don't have the means to go the whole way.

[molten oxide]

so how hard is it to keep the basic dmg of both weapons the same for both bonuses

[proud needle]

unless its the same weapon that dont have any dmg boni

#notworth

[hidden swan]

Any tips on how to handle portals?

[last vine]

shoot them

[blazing hearth]

Well then the maximum damage of a weapon is 100,000

[wraith hatch]

Another nerf to slow weapons smh.

[last vine]

that actually lets you match damage easily once you have your weapons high enough level for max bonus on oneshot mag

[thorny parcel]

If you're at that point where your weapon base damage caps, you don't care about getting the lucky shot bonus.

[last vine]

wahh I want 75% more damage when I already do 1,000,000,000,000 damage

[heady gyro]

Works on AO Bai with two identical weapons with Weapon Genius at least

[devout sigil]

what exactly does the first half of the explosion gemini do? i think i might've misunderstood what it meant

unless it doesnt work with Dragon's Breath

[molten oxide]

thunderclap used to be really good with fatal bloom, did it get nerfed?

[thorny parcel]

No, it got outclassed.

[molten oxide]

what's the go to now

[devout sigil]

thunderclap? i thought it'd be illusion

[patent swan]

I'd say thunderclap is still very good since chugging ammo also produces bladeheart stacks (some ascensions give generic skill DMG based on stacks) as well as secondary uses (until you get cap overdraft)

[carmine falcon]

Heyo My friend bought Gunfire Reborn Recently and the Game just does not want to Create a Save File

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/325023359119261697/1234787467098591282/Screenshot_2024-04-30_104410.png?ex=663200f1&is=6630af71&hm=20e1b678ee963b871eb954279303d4bd06289b3d6c73b19c1b124b5f1e836d26&

Tried Sending him my save file even to see if that would work but it didnt help either

[patent swan]

how does one use this scroll

[covert dirge]

Display only

[white spindle]

Frame it!

[last vine]

does gifted man +30% against healthy enemies apply to chain and thunderbolt or only weapon?

[uneven vessel]

nah I think it is just any form of damage

[lost jasper]

If i play on season 1 does it progress through season 2?

I just wanna use the season 1 skills type shit

[last vine]

they are 10x more fun than season 1

[last vine]

yes i think but there's several quests requiring season 2 things

[lost jasper]

I like how i dont really need to press a specific button for season 1 skills go off

[winged vine]

I completed a full Datura only runast night. Was so epic. Played as turtle and just planted daturas and dashed. Great fun. 100% of my damage was from dat

[plain panther]

does that work with any of the daggers?

[thorny parcel]

They don't reload, so probably not.

Unless it's a translation issue and it actually means refilling the magazine.

[plain panther]

and I cant test it since nonas lucky shot % is over the moon by now

[plain panther]

but yea, i forgot that daggers dont count as reload

[last vine]

i think all of nona's ascensions and talents count refill as reload but i dont know about links

[white spindle]

I love Datura the most out of the three. Anything that allows me to quickly fucking murder that goddamn elite spearman in act 1 is a keeper for me.

[covert dirge]

Monkey pinball

[last vine]

your not using your matrix!!!

[covert dirge]

What

I did

[last vine]

oh shit I didn't see

effects blended in

[covert dirge]

[ruby oasis]

so

how does reasonably exclusive work?

nevermind

[graceful perch]

Are the seasonal challenges harder this season or do I just need to play MP to get a lot of them?

[winged vine]

I found them a lot easier than last time. I hit level 43 after about 6 games. Just a few more quests to finish up

[graceful perch]

Hmm weird. A lot of them are multiplayer seems the one I'm missing

[winged vine]

The only two that are multiplayer are share scrolls and revive players. But even that last one can be done with Nona so all but 1 can be done solo

[marsh flame]

man why is it always as soon as I tone the difficulty down my rng suddenly becomes crazy

[patent swan]

can anyone explain why the left one has higher RoF despite the -10% RoF inscription? The enhanced modifier isn't even Agile- so it shouldn't affect RoF right?

[thorny parcel]

Magazine capacity.

[ruby oasis]

Perhaps the rounds/100s factors in reload time as well

So the more mag cap you have the more bullets you’re shooting per 100s

[thorny parcel]

The left one, despite having lower RoF, can shoot for longer, requiring less reloads.

[patent swan]

ah. that stat factors in reload time.

thanks

[last vine]

holy shit it matters for rof stat??

[thorny parcel]

That's not the RoF stat.

[last vine]

the one it shows

on the gun

i thought it just varied slightly

[thorny parcel]

That's the rounds/100s calculation, which takes into account RoF, magazine capacity and reload time, plus a little bit of inaccuracy.

[last vine]

it would be so much better if you could see advanced stats

reload time and rof and whatever

and be able to see your own stats in the players menu

[last vine]

last words seems like it kinda sucks

like sure it gets some weapons higher critx

but

you need like a single scroll

to already get them there

for owl weapon build is it better to use like a shotgun with one shot mag gemini or a weapon that has 1 mag normally like the knives

[last vine]

hello?

[last vine]

why does spiritual assault last just as long as a normal run and give you 1/2 to 1/3 soul essence

[thorny parcel]

Same reason that Daily Challenges offer you less than what you get in a single act on Elite difficulty.

They didn't quite think things through.

It might seem more of a fair number if they didn't keep buffing players in Reincarnation, though.

[last vine]

reincarnation is like as easy as elite with the mass amounts of buffs you get

[thorny parcel]

Heh, just checked now, but Spiritual Assault was added to the game... around when Spiritual Link and Mysterious Jokul were the only Bizarre Dream modifiers.

SA stopped receiving buffs when Interdependent Fortunes was added, leaving Reincarnation with Transcendent Arsenal, Ascension Fusion, Mission From Above and Boundless Dream as buffs that SA has yet to compete with, among all the blessing buffs that happened since then.

SA hasn't received any development since about a year ago.

[last vine]

it really should be updated

they just abandoned it

[thorny parcel]

Only way that they could update it which would be accepted is upwards.

Upwards in jade power, upwards in leveling speed, upwards in spiritual ascension potential, and upwards in how easily you can shrug off anything enemies throw at you.

Maybe they'll do something special like add an event that lets you guarantee Spirit Feline, so you can always become permanently invincible by the 10 minute mark.

Oh and probably nothing to the speed at which you play, so the soul essence per minute played will still be a problem.

[last vine]

make it easier, not more fun. perfect.

I wish devs knew nerfs exist

[gusty mountain]

They do, they just nerf things that are already nerfed.

Or bad.

Or if people complain about something being too hard.

[thorny parcel]

Or surround them in buffs, rendering them useless.

[patent swan]

this took 4 hours to craft 🥹

[narrow sky]

starting to play this game after a while, is it me or does it seem destiny mechanism could totally just be a character mechanic

and there being a character who could get all

[last vine]

maybe

[narrow sky]

just make a basic character whose main main ability is swap mechanism, allow 3 mechanisms at once, secondary is an energy refresh or something

[last vine]

for owl weapon build is it most effective to use naturally 1 ammo weapons like arc light or icy spear or a different weapon with one-shot gemini

[last vine]

first two scrolls i get in a run

[thorny parcel]

Welp, start a new run. You've already won.

[last vine]

does last star work if you dont consume ammo

[last vine]

i lost :(

least consistent zi xiao build

[thorny parcel]

Impressive.

That's genuine, by the way. I'm more impressed when people fail runs despite good RNG than when they win them.

[last vine]

i was doing weapon zi xiao build

rng not on my side after those scrolls

no good weapons really

and ascensions not the best

unfettered will is so good early

you dont have to invest copper on weapons your replacing

me when my matrix does literally nothing against golem attacks

[last vine]

oh my fucking god

i just beat act 3

and realized

i forgot to click endless

40 minutes in

[graceful perch]

Ive never used brick

is it/this good?

[last vine]

pretty good

reforge to crit share though

[graceful perch]

yeah i would, just was curious

[solemn fern]

Is there a place for character specific talks and builds? like character specific text channels

[thorny parcel]

No.

[solemn fern]

aw sad to hear

[thorny parcel]

With enemy damage resistance, Boundless Dream caps at 99% and Endless Journey at 95%, correct?

[hallow thunder]

Can anyone help me choose the spiritual blessing and skill tree for the first stage r9 solo of these two characters? I always struggle to overcome 1.1 to 2.1 because the damage I deal is too low with 2 heroes. Mobile version

[last vine]

for Monkey the best build is definitely soul strike (primary)

take dimensional strike at the start definitely

and copycat is good lone wolf

for bunny it doesn't really matter, every build is good

[hallow thunder]

ok ty so much i will try

[last vine]

keep in mind it scales off of your equipped weapon, not skill damage

best to use shrieker

[last vine]

i love how in spiritual assault you either get oneshot by everything or literalyl cant die

[patent swan]

excuse me? I don't even have dual edge / sanguine relic

[winged vine]

We need more context as to what you had and what stage you were on etc. that's really possible but we don't know context

[timid sedge]

Is there a site which gives a good overview of all chars with rec. builds?

[thorny parcel]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Gunfire_Reborn_Wiki

[last vine]

is ethereal feline link better than spiritual feline?

also i was getting like 1k hp and suddenly it just did not want to go above 200

does enemy damage scale with endless?

[thorny parcel]

Absolutely not.

Not only does it take 3 scrolls to activate instead of 1, but it only lets you die in a minimum of 4 hits, instead of 8 (or 10 when enhanced).

The only upside it has compared to Spirit Feline is you don't take double damage against rapid attacks.

[last vine]

alr

[thorny parcel]

Yes, but you probably won't care much. Usually you're either immune to one-shots, or get one-shot anyway.

[last vine]

ahh

[tiny barn]

does anyone know if/what damage type mechanism damage is tied to?

[thorny parcel]

Skill damage.

Unless you pick Hound's Stars Chaser, then it becomes weapon damage.

[tiny barn]

Thanks!

[blazing hearth]

is good for build spores?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

Pretty much everything you could want on that.

Except perhaps Fierce enhancement instead of Multiple.

[blazing hearth]

ty C:

[blazing hearth]

I also have a fierce one but I haven't placed the inscriptions on it and I don't know what percentage it has xD

[thorny parcel]

Regardless of the actual percentage, it's still 30-45% compared to 20-30% projectiles. No matter what it's better numbers.

It being multiplicative (assuming it still is) instead of additive like Multiple is also helps.

[proven sage]

there we go, same weapon for spore

yeah, fierce gives it multi dmg, while multiple gives it more frequency

[blazing hearth]

done

[winged vine]

I'd argue that multiple is better than spores because it would make spores trigger a lot more often, at that point in the game dps comes from dealing damage more often vs dealing larger amounts of damage.

[last vine]

does spores also factor in projectiles for base damage? like for porcupine is is just 20 that it counts or 400

(level 0 numbers)

[proven sage]

yes

normaly, argus is the perfect middleground between DMG/projectiles

[last vine]

Argus is highest base damage right

of any weapon

[proven sage]

yeah

[wet barn]

Hello I just started playing I was wondering if multiplayer is like broken because it's just not working for me

[last vine]

just you

[wet barn]

Rip

Oh I am on console as well

Don't know if it's the same on other platforms

[deep cipher]

Unfortunately it's a console thing.

[wet barn]

Ahh that's sad

[deep cipher]

The game isn't updated to the last version and many people already stopped playing the console version

[wet barn]

Yeah I only got it because my friend had it we had no idea the multiplayer didn't work

Guessing there won't be any updates for it then?

[deep cipher]

The developers are trying to get the rights back from the publisher responsible for the consoles port

505 Games is the publisher of the consoles version of Gunfire Reborn, but for some reason they stopped updating the game and gave no answer back.

[wet barn]

Alright that makes sense well hopefully they get the rights back soon

[uneven vessel]

505 is notorious for just not doing their job for games

[hallow thunder]

Am I playing the wrong way or is it because the monkey damage in the mobile version is low and can't get above 1B damage

[last vine]

what weapon are you using

[last vine]

what build were you trying to do??

why painkiller?

[last vine]

why did you level the hell and not shrieker?

[blazing hearth]

Why first strike as an extra blessing if in the end you played with a shotgun and a launcher, the first strike is for weapons that have alot ammo

[last vine]

for launcher it makes sense, extended magazine spiritual link

but he levelled the shotgun??

[blazing hearth]

Well it more or less makes sense

[blazing hearth]

Is very confuse xd

Now my question is which Gemini He put?

[hallow thunder]

i testing don’t know how monkey work yet

[hallow thunder]

i like painkillers because it help me so many time

[last vine]

it doesnt help monkey at all

take copycat lone wolf

so much better

[blazing hearth]

Or overconsumption

[uneven vessel]

Both painkiller and overconsumption are dependent on certain things

Painkiller is a nice alternative when you get a +65 gun and critical cudgel to 3 meaning you don't need counterviolence (also need elemental effect weapon and/or enhanced elemental torment)

Overconsumption is only suitable if you're not tackling boundless or endless and for when it's early game and you don't have much of a scroll collection

In terms of copycat for Xing Zhe? Take neither. Use copycat

[last vine]

copycat is love

copycat is life

[blazing hearth]

@uneven vessel hey tea,what do you think of this radioctive gauntlet?

[uneven vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-brother-true-smoke-gif-23157983

[last vine]

that looks like a godroll

i mean im not teaa but

that seems perfect

[blazing hearth]

I was lucky xd

[blazing hearth]

Ty

[uneven vessel]

Oooooo just saw this!

And that my good sir is in my eyes a god roll! :3

Such a spicy RoF!

[uneven vessel]

Awe you can have an opinion! :D

I loooove Radioactive Gauntlet

Very silly to use!

@blazing hearth gimme your gauntlet!
/j

[blazing hearth]

wait what??

[uneven vessel]

You have a better gauntlet than meeee

My gauntlet is missing the RoF +25% :(

[blazing hearth]

What would I gain if I gave it to you?

[uneven vessel]

Hmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Idk :3

[blazing hearth]

[uneven vessel]

[hallow thunder]

here copycat

[last vine]

yeah its way better

you get big damage and elemental damage bonuses

and speed and cooldown reduction

[cinder lintel]

whats the best build for Li in R9 and Boundless Dreams?

[last vine]

Normal: Spiritual Flame
Boundless/Endless: Anything else

[cinder lintel]

anything else? 🙂

[last vine]

yeah

weapon or meteor

[last vine]

endless* boundless doesn't matter

[uneven vessel]

with boundless you can pretty much do any build you like :)

[proven sage]

i still wish they renamed endless

[thorny parcel]

"Casual's Bane"

[hallow thunder]

when go to 2.1 i feel like it don't give me speed any more i move kinda slow

[marsh flame]

finally beat nightmare and unlocked bizarre dream
are these a permanent thing to the game or is it like a season thing?

[thorny parcel]

Those are the permanent things exclusive to Reincarnation difficulty.

[marsh flame]

cool ty

[soft bobcat]

with Extravagent Consumption; does it ever reach a point to where instead of upgrading ur weapon is better to just save all your gold for a big %dmg boost

[thorny parcel]

They're not mutually exclusive.

Spending copper on upgrades still gives Extravagant Consumption the bonus.

[soft bobcat]

ah alright, was reading it wrong then

super goshawk adventure continues then

[thorny parcel]

Spending copper gives the bonus, but you automatically spend all but 500 copper on nothing when switching stages.

[soft bobcat]

getting enhanced lightning shard and enhancing lightning enthusiast from one peddler, oh thats amazing

i wish there was a way to like, auto scrap weapons on the ground, becaue when im deep into endless mode someimes i just wanna run run run

[thorny parcel]

Going to the next stage auto recycles everything.

Unfortunately for you, Extravagant Consumption then eats all the copper.

[soft bobcat]

i mean thats fine, i still get a bonus

and my goshawk is at 260 so im still doin good

Boundless dream stage 26.... and i just NOW, got elite assassin scroll

is Veteran still in the game? or is my luck just trash

[thorny parcel]

It is.

[soft bobcat]

aight im just unlucky then

I need Veteran + enhanced glazed sight in my life

[thorny parcel]

They don't really synergize with each other.

[uneven vessel]

first longling stage... and I dont even have enhanced friearm or whatever it is I forgor

nvm

I just remembered what scroll I first got

Brain fart

[last vine]

too bad your using a character with terrible synergy for that good roll of a gun at the start

would breeze through with like bunny

[uneven vessel]

I know lol

[deep cipher]

We go full "random bs go" with Zi Xiao

[uneven vessel]

It is all over when Zi Xiao's next deck is Dinosaur Top Trumps

[soft bobcat]

i wish getting new scrolls was easier the longer in an endless run you got

boundless dream stage 48, still no veteran

[thorny parcel]

They deliberately made it harder.

So you don't get everything in like... stage 20.

Well maybe stage 30. Depends on how many Curiosity Boxes you get.

[soft bobcat]

i feel like soon ill have more enhanced scrolls then normal

buying 2 enhanced scrolls from phantom peddler + 2 refreshes is so nice

[soft bobcat]

whats recycling do

[thorny parcel]

Gives you copper.

[soft bobcat]

even on scrolls/and goblets?

[thorny parcel]

Scrolls yes. Not sure about goblets.

Though if you're doing boundless or endless, recycling scrolls and goblets gives 1 and 2 stacks of +2% Weapon DMG, +10% Skill DMG and -0.5% Primary Skill Cooldown (up to -90% CD).

[soft bobcat]

ah thats what it was

wonder how long getting veteran will take

about to be on stage 80 lol

[soft bobcat]

STAGE 88

WOOO

[soft bobcat]

enhanced glazed sight is bugged?

every 10% hp you get .1 critx

i just got flesh n bones so my hp jumped from 400 to 1200 and my crit x changed by none

[thorny parcel]

10__%__ HP

400/400 is 100%. 1200/1200 is still 100%.

[soft bobcat]

hm alright, seems i overhyped the scroll

[last vine]

enhanced armed caster is +2% TOTAL skill damage for every 5 hp

dog players thriving

[thorny parcel]

It lies.

It's +2% skill damage for every 5 current HP + Shield Armor.

Vs +1% skill damage for every 5 max HP + Shield/Armor.

[last vine]

oh come on

I hate translation errors

like with the scroll enhancer scroll

I thought it meant one random scroll of yours will result in an upgrade when you recycle it

[last vine]

shield is included??

I don't think it even has a buff icon to check

[thorny parcel]

I forgot that bit briefly, but yes.

Total HP and Total Max HP.

Includes Shield/Armor.

[last vine]

I always read it as just health

I just checked the wiki

[thorny parcel]

Here's yet another thing it doesn't tell you.

It's actually +0.2/0.4% every 1 HP and Shield/Armor, not +1%/2% for every 5.

[last vine]

does it actually change to just current hp and not max when enhanced?

[thorny parcel]

So if you have an extra 1-4 HP or Shield/Armor, that counts anyway.

[last vine]

like armed caster, but atleast that has a buff icon

[thorny parcel]

Yep!

[last vine]

that it so wierd

it should be the opposite

then again I complain about the game being easy

[thorny parcel]

It's the same thing that happens to enhanced Abnormal Speed, Persistent and Berserk Soul.

Enhanced version gets a big increase to the bonus, but also cares about both HP and Shield/Armor instead of only one.

[uneven vessel]

Enduring caster is rather silly with Sword Guard

[marsh flame]

what does the player count option do here?

[thorny parcel]

Increases the number of enemies, and strength of a few attacks.

By proxy of increased enemy amount, it also increases your copper gain, soul essence gain, weapon drops from Elite Gatherings, and kill stacks.

[marsh flame]

oooh ok thanks, I guess thats what it means by enemies are fiercer then

[marsh flame]

bruh it took severa;l hours to get this scroll lol

[mint tangle]

In today's patchnotes, it says Added the feature - auto looting of [Almighty Core] but I could not find where to turn this on

and seems like we can no longer pick up Almighty Core to gain recycle point?

[uneven vessel]

they instead just get auto recycled when you switch stages :)

[mint tangle]

Wow, really? If it is true, so convenient. did someone confirm?

[uneven vessel]

well, if you pay attention to the split second you see it when swapping stages, it will say all cores are recycled

[mint tangle]

Omg you are true, I could see that text only 1 frame lmao

[uneven vessel]

yeeeee haha

[uneven vessel]

uhhhhhh...?

[proven sage]

they forgot S1

[uneven vessel]

Only took me 134 rounds

I still dont even have Extravagant Consumption

[soft bobcat]

Woo

Now for the next goal, get weapon +1000

[soft bobcat]

me with suprise bonus

i have more enhanced scrolls then normal !_!

[proven sage]

i will always remember it taking up to stage 124 for Deadly Counter to appear

[last vine]

is damage still counted even if it exceeds the cap

like is the max a skill damage hit will show up as in player stats page 30 mil

or will it still count what it would be if not for the cap

[soft bobcat]

got my weapon to 1000 and finally got suprise bonus, so i think i have every scroll now

now to make every scroll enhanced

[marsh flame]

how does scroll enhancer work?

nvm read wiki

[uneven vessel]

Me levelling up my gun whilst trolling an art scammer in my DMs

[last vine]

how many ways are there to reduce enemy damage resistance?

can you just make enemy scaling not exist?

there's Fragile body i think it's called

does hex smoke reduce resistance or give a seperate stat?

[uneven vessel]

just stuff like scaling quicker and apply DMG taken increases to them
not sure if it is a separate stat for hex smoke or related things tho

[last vine]

is dmg taken increase just damage reduction decrease or?

[uneven vessel]

DMG Taken is basically just increase the DMG you deal to the enemy affected by a percentage increase
if it were to affect the DR in boundless or endless it would do it by a percentage of that percentage I would imagine

[last vine]

is dmg taken an additive increase or total

[uneven vessel]

I think total...? not massivel sure

rn I have put my scalpel to the side and enhancing the shit outta something else

[last vine]

can scalpel get multiple?

[uneven vessel]

would imagine so!

Mine is fierce

Rn I am actually gonna over enhance Argus

[proven halo]

if i use a fire gun does xingzhe's cudgel count as fire damage for unlocks? or do i need to use the fire gun instead

[clever olive]

He does not gain elemental effects on his Primary normally

[clever olive]

I am convinced, Matrix is the BEST Mechanism

[last vine]

they all are insanely op

matrix oneshots everything with control mastery in acts 1 and 2 meaning you don't need to even care about your build that much

others are also good I think

(I mostly use matrix)

[urban basin]

how does it decide which boss you fight if you go to stage 4?

ive only seen gluttony before, but i just got the pole monarch

[thorny parcel]

Random.

Sole exception is the act 4 boss in the first loop during Endless Journey will be the one you didn't already fight.

[urban basin]

also why is reincarnation 9 glowing red

its very menacing

[thorny parcel]

Because it's supposed to be the hardest difficulty.

Emphasis on "supposed to be".

[urban basin]

what might you mean by that

i mean im playing nona

but it wasnt hard

[thorny parcel]

Exactly.

Reincarnation difficulty in general has a massive problem where it gives players way too many powerful things. Reincarnation 9 is no exception to this.

It's reached a point where the earlier difficulties could be considered harder.

[urban basin]

multiplayer is way harder i think

reincarnation 4 multiplayer is much harder than reincarnation 9 single

or maybe i just got really lucky

[thorny parcel]

Multiplayer has higher health for enemies and more of them, but you also have up to 4 times the chance that someone will get lucky and kill everything, you can share scrolls to make that even more likely, and even if you fail to achieve that everyone can infinitely revive each other.

[clever olive]

I dunno about its damage, I use it for shielding, allows DPS and sniper builds great advantage especially against over half the bosses

[left bronze]

Does lightning blasts alt fire with the enscription that makes boosted projectiles chain hit apply to all weapons?

Also, please tell me this works

[proven sage]

no clue

[proud needle]

it works with projectiles, even allies

so in theory it should

[remote wraith]

Hey! I have 2 questions that may be dumb:

1. If I have gunfire reborn on gamepass, is it possible to get it on Steam aswell?
2. Say if I do get it on steam, will it keep my accounts progress from gamepass? (Some sort of linking system maybe?)

I have a friend stuck on xbox that I play with via gamepass but I would also like to see the new content that i'm kinda missing out on if possible

[thorny parcel]

1. Yes, you can get it on Steam if you own it on Gamepass already, but there is no special discount or anything.
2. There is no linking between Steam and Gamepass. You can bring the saves over to Steam using some method that probably has a link somewhere, but you have to do it yourself.

[remote wraith]

Alr, tysm for the answers!

[proven halo]

whoo finally

[uneven vessel]

Priceed HP + Flesh n Bones + Tao + Sword Guard = Max out Extravagant Consumption at round 155

[foggy summit]

Nice, congratulations

[devout sigil]

ngl, i kinda miss old thorny bloom, or atleast the interaction between thorny bloom and blossom enthusiast

[thorny parcel]

That's because it was an overpowered synergy between 2 overpowered hero blessings.

You're not the only person who loved them because of that.

[heady gyro]

what exactly got patched from thorny bloom? I thought the main thing that got patched was blossom enthusiast getting nerfed in amount of hits, flower chain no longer critting, and spore not having the ability to crit?

is it just the overwrite effect proccing thorny bloom or something?

[thorny parcel]

Thorny Bloom used to be a big Fatal Bloom damage buff whenever you recovered uses.

This didn't require you to use Fatal Bloom as uses were automatically picked up regardless of if you were full. Also firing your weapon (which Blossom Enthusiast was good at) recovered uses constantly due to a talent.

Now though you must use the skill to gain damage, and a large portion of the damage bonus only applies when the mark expires or is refreshed from constant Fatal Bloom use, and when you hit with flying swords (which Blossom Enthusiast does not cause).

[heady gyro]

so blossom enthusiast does not raise the damage stacks on thorny bloom?

[thorny parcel]

As far as I know, nope.

It specifies "for each use of it" not "for each enemy marked".

Basically, Thorny Bloom went from a general damage bonus that worked great with constant Blossom Enthusiast weapon firing... to a Blade of Bloom build which Blossom Enthusiast weapon firing has no synergy with.

Naturally, people got mad that they couldn't have a permanent +1200% base damage from act 2 on top of their overpowered starter blessing.

[heady gyro]

yeah I can see thorny bloom isn't working

[last vine]

people getting mad at buffs and people getting mad at nerfs

wow

[thorny parcel]

Technically in this case the only buff was to Blade of Bloom builds which they didn't care about, while nerfing the super synergy with Fatal Bloom builds which they did care about.

People apparently prefer having all their eggs in one basket instead of build variety.

[heady gyro]

I mean the main build I run on Tao is mostly focused on spore with flower chain so I don't notice the impact so much but yeah

now I feel like Tao's blessings don't matter other than Blossom Enthusiast, it's easy enough to live without Jackpot, Field Proficiency, Craftsman's Inheritor, but Ultimate Gambler could be nice for 2nd level

other than sword build going for cooldown reduction spam

[heady gyro]

so how do you dodge the r9 Ichthyosaurus beam? I've just been tanking it and DPSing it to phase transition before it fires again

[thorny parcel]

Get close though that you're at risk of being melee'd if you stay too long.

[heady gyro]

so wander just outside of melee range, have him queue a beam attack, and dash and react the other direction

so someone with no +movespeed with a mortar is probably screwed then?

[thorny parcel]

Yeah, and then duck out of melee range once he's done.

[thorny parcel]

Maybe? Dunno.

[clever olive]

Just realized, how come no one made a Build site for GR?
Sure there are online sites and video guides but I mean a site where people can add stuff to a build like how some MOBAs have

[thorny parcel]

Game's not popular enough is my bet.

Oh wait. I think this game does have stuff like that.

I distinctly remember some site that lets you pick a hero then various ascensions.

[proven sage]

https://gfrbuilder.com/

[uneven vessel]

The Ultimate Rubber Banding Experience!

[thorny parcel]

Tao's Stand: Warped Hourglass!

Time refuses to flow correctly, causing everything nearby to happen out of sync with the actions that caused them.

[uneven vessel]

Pretty much
I'm not using the Wild Hunt in this run again

[harsh wagon]

"Pay attention to avoid!"

Tao:

nah I'd win

[clever olive]

TY, was not showing in any search engine

[clever olive]

Never seen health that big before

[uneven vessel]

I have seen it much bigger in Endless round 1000

[last vine]

its a little outdated

still shows one dog army

and some other stuff

[proven sage]

he made it once and not looked back at it

[dawn ledge]

Sometimes its sorta a pity that there isn't a thing we can do for an extra setting on reincarnation mode of there being extra difficulty but you can get one normal scroll of your choosing

But I'm sure considering how some builds can snowball if they just get that one scroll early I can see it not being a thing

[thorny parcel]

Lone Wolf is basically this.

Extra enemies, but you get one blessing of your choosing.

It failed at increasing the difficulty in any meaningful way.

[dawn ledge]

Well there were those Elite Arsonist swarms in small places

But that aside, I was thinking more about how there can be more sudden elite arrivals too

[thorny parcel]

Elite Arsonist swarms aren't even caused by Lone Wolf. It merely amplifies it when you've got them active.

And the swarms reward you massively for winning.

[dawn ledge]

Oh well, those lot can still end runs if you don't have the right build by then

The balance between difficulty and enjoyability in making builds can be a tough line in roguelikes(or lites idk)

[thorny parcel]

Reincarnation 8 or Mysterious Jokul enables elite gatherings. Reincarnation 9 forces all elites to be the same type.

[thorny parcel]

It's actually quite easy.

Low difficulties = more enjoyable.
High difficulties = more difficulty.
Balance the rest around that.

[dawn ledge]

I guess so, well I suppose its my tendancy to be strict on builds is kinda what makes it kinda iffy for me

like say; Crown Prince

my build is kinda reliant on getting either against the flow, or advanced depot kinda on stage 1 or just early on in general

[mild monolith]

Can anyone explain the “occult scroll upgrade” vs “occult scroll reset”? I’m reference to the owl’s hero core

[thorny parcel]

Upgrades automatically make a scroll act like a higher rarity, for drawing better Astroaspects. You can change what the upgrades apply to in the scrolls tab of your inventory.

Resets let you convert a non-cursed scroll (in your inventory or on the ground) into a different scroll of either the same or higher rarity. Each scroll can only be reset once (twice with the Variable Scrolls blessing).

[uneven vessel]

Zi Xiao is the funny "let's destroy all sense of RNG in this game" character

[heady gyro]

You'd think that but I rerolled shit legendaries like 10 times and they kept turning into the same shit

[dawn ledge]

Zi Xiao really dumpsters the stroll rng

Now if there is a character that dumpsters ascension mechanics then things will be even

[uneven vessel]

You can just keep reverting back like with blessings lol

[last vine]

actually even in r9 in endless/boundless in longling tomb it mixes elites

[thorny parcel]

By the time you're in endless/boundless, you don't care what elites you face. You delete them instantly or they become a solid brick wall.

The only time it happens is the only time it matters.

[dawn ledge]

Yea, the endgame builds can trivialize endless/boundless

Like how Crown Prince can essentially become a Cat version of Elemental Bomber

[last vine]

I just had someone on reddit tell me that nona is good with miasma, synergizes well with it (because of last season of course), and has nothing to do with revives

🤦‍♂️

[thorny parcel]

Probably thinking of Cat.

[last vine]

They said to a guy asking about characters saying that he likes using miasma "use cat or nona"

[dawn ledge]

Sometimes I overlook how we have 2 felines in this game

[last vine]

cat and big cat

[thorny parcel]

Heh. They're suggesting Aura of Venom, Arcane Thunder Step and Painkiller for a Nona-specific build, yet none of those things are exclusive to Nona, and the only thing she does better than other heroes regarding said build is more damage with pistols... except Miasma builds don't care about damage bonuses.

What a noob.

[deep cipher]

Cat using science and Zeus's Cat

[last vine]

wizard and sorcerer

[last vine]

hmmm bone dragon

gives you one and a half crosshairs

[timber veldt]

All the info I got about updating the console versions lol

[uneven vessel]

kinda look like bot responses tbh

or half arsed ones at the very least

[timber veldt]

Well if they aren't allowed to say anything
They won't say much haha
I tried anyway
I feel if enough people use the contacts we have maybe it'll bug them enough

[uneven vessel]

they just ignore and blank it

iirc Duoyi are fighting to get the console port back

[timber veldt]

Are you on PlayStation by chance

[uneven vessel]

nah, Steam!

[proud needle]

Actually

dont believe anything the 505 support says there

their discord is dead and they ignore people

[uneven vessel]

^

[timber veldt]

Yeah I should probably play more on my gaming laptop but I have just always been on PlayStation I like it and the trophy
But I could always use a controller on PC

Well they didn't say much so not much to believe

[proud needle]

Just a small part of their server

And the last message is now there nearly 2 weeks without any moderator or support interaction

The other games are active

Its just sad

[timber veldt]

Lol relax guys I was just showing that I tried to get some info
Nobody trust these hooligans in these game companies haha

[uneven vessel]

505 games is one joke of a team
surprised they are still allowed to be in business

[proud needle]

Nah

I take that as my regular chance to spread the real info

[timber veldt]

Yeah that stinks

[proud needle]

As there are way too many that end up here and on Twitter that throw hate at Duoyi for the console stuff

[timber veldt]

They do have some cool games tho

[proud needle]

I made a vow to not touch 505 until they fix this

Anything with 505 involvement is a nope for me atm

[timber veldt]

But yeah most these company we have to boycott or they'll just keep being jerks

[proud needle]

Its just that I wanted to emphasize :
Those are automated and generic responses

When there is some actual updates you will get them here in big massive letters

[uneven vessel]

Yeah the fact that people still throw hate towards Duoyi because of 505's incompetence

people gotta open those eyes

[proud needle]

Not so fun fact :
At some point they even dare to say that they are not the ones in charge of the port

on the 505 Discord

[uneven vessel]

Daring aren't they?

505 honestly needs to be shut down tbh

or at least have a serious sort out

because so many games and studios suffer in their hands

[last vine]

I've told some people that it's 505's fault and they just say "well they should have known 505 would abandon it"

[uneven vessel]

sadly some people dont listen and more people come out of nowhere and pin point it on Duoyi :(

but better to try and tell people than let it be silent info tho!

[wind shale]

it is time

to finish

what must be done

[winged vine]

You got this

[last vine]

these are mine

[abstract plank]

Is there any guide for beginner?

[thorny parcel]

There are build guides on the wiki, questions can be answered here, and there's probably some guides on Steam, but aside from those, dunno.

[last vine]

yt video guides

[sturdy valley]

Can I play gunfire reborn ps5 mobile cross play?

[proven sage]

no

[uneven vessel]

nope

[last vine]

Console, mobile, and steam versions all have differences

No crossplay

Console is just steam but with no updates since launch because of 505

Mobile is different in some way I don't play it

[deep cipher]

Mobile is a whole different beast

[dawn ledge]

Sometimes I do want to discuss some things here but I'm not too sure if there is information on it yet

[uneven vessel]

whatcha wanting to discuss?

[dawn ledge]

The upcoming character stuff mainly

I was curious about them

[uneven vessel]

Ah I see, yeeee characters are all different in their own ways :)

lots of different play styles

[dawn ledge]

That is apparent yes and I do hope that trend continues

But if there isn't any information to share yet then thats fine, I can wait

[uneven vessel]

Ah, yee new characters are teased when they're super close to coming out

[thorny parcel]

The one thing that we can pretty much confirm based on history is that they will be super OP, and if they aren't, they'll be made to be.

[dawn ledge]

Yea, I have by hopes for something cause of a joke from another franchise but I'll see if thats the case when it comes

[heady gyro]

Mobile was a waste of money too, not only because they don't update the game, but it's always-online DRM so you can't play offline

[thorny parcel]

Mobile gets constantly updated. You're thinking of Gamepass/Playstation.

[uneven vessel]

Yeah mobile is only a tiny bit behind

Console is quite literally lost at sea

[urban basin]

do we know when the next dlc with characters is coming out?

[uneven vessel]

quarter 3

[urban basin]

uhhhh so like

end of the year?

what that mean

[thorny parcel]

In quarter 3.

[urban basin]

hmmm yes

that fixed it

[thorny parcel]

Which is between quarter 2 and quarter 4.

[vague obsidian]

It looks like a new character is using some kind of magic.

[thorny parcel]

We're in quarter 2.

[urban basin]

you have been incredibly helpful

[uneven vessel]

I thought you would know what the quarters of each year were-

Given how much this term is used in gaming lol

[urban basin]

nah i aint hear that in gaming

ever

given a bit of thought it makes sense

[uneven vessel]

Quarter 3 is July August September

Hope that helps hehe

[urban basin]

quite

[uneven vessel]

[wind shale]

WRAAAA

FINALLY

i can rest at last

[clever olive]

Something odd I noticed, Energy Component does not work on Hound but fine on other 2

[last vine]

Hound is active passively and can't be un deployed

so that's probably why

[dawn ledge]

Something I find a bit off about one of Xing Zhe's spirtual blessings

Does "Want Them All" really make such a difference? From what I notice both weapons 1 and 2 are usually in effect simultaneously without it anyway when it applies

[last vine]

no they arent?

maybe it's a bug somehow?

[dawn ledge]

I see

odd how that hasn't been resolved, unless there will be an update that changes how that works in the future

[last vine]

Pick up a launcher in 2nd slot and hold a rifle in first

check if each cudgel hit hits the enemies nearby

[dawn ledge]

Oh does it affect soul strike's effect?

[vague obsidian]

yes

[dawn ledge]

Oh well that explains it, is that all it does?

Oh, it does only do that

It seems kinda underwhelming imo

[winged vine]

It's incredible lol

Sniper in slot 1, shrieker in slot 2 with crit share Gemini and insta destroy every room with one primary

[vague obsidian]

how about bosses

[thorny parcel]

That's what the crit part is for.

And any Unstoppable Phantom ascensions you've hopefully found.

[vague obsidian]

soul strike can hit each enemy once ?

[thorny parcel]

Unstoppable Phantom raises that to up to 4.

[winged vine]

Monkey is insanely op

[thorny parcel]

Not really. He's merely great, but OP with specific things.

Other DLC heroes are OP, but insanely OP with most things.

[vague obsidian]

mean while, Nona OP by her-self.

[uneven vessel]

Nona is just "Let Iron Wing do the game for you" lol

[winged vine]

Nona sucks, shes only good at not dying.

[thorny parcel]

In a game where dying forces you to restart, that's more than enough.

Not even including the fact that Iron Wing is a massive crutch for unskilled players.

The only reason she might actually suck is because you reach a point where what she's good at (not dying and having someone else do everything) doesn't matter anymore.

No, it's not that they become ineffective, they're still just as strong as before, you just don't need them.

[uneven vessel]

Absolutely agreeable in terms of Endless

[clever olive]

Strangely the purple on that buffs Energy Restoration plus Cap appears to work I think but the blue one or no buff does nothing unless it is a different one that is giving it Restoration passively on the build I have now

[clever olive]

After some time not touching Nona, finding Iron Wing plus Hound equals Turret Queen Nona who barely uses her weapon, add in Hardwood Missile buffs including healing Missile

[heady gyro]

Nona has very few (good) weapon ascensions, but they happen to be verrrry good.

Like... Energy Overload would maybe be acceptable in Normal, not R9

[last vine]

It's acceptable

It's nona

It doesn't matter

you cant die

[urban basin]

That’s why I love nona

I can reach end game content without the getting good part

[dawn ledge]

Oh, so nona isn't ascension reliant?

[thorny parcel]

She is, just not nearly as much as most other heroes.

The fact you get an automatic attacker, a meat shield and infinite revives (with a talent) at the start of every run is massive.

[dawn ledge]

I do like how some characters can just get by with relatively little ascension wise

heck I think my crown prince build only needs like 11 ascension points at least to get the build going

...its just super reliant on 1-2 scrolls to get there >.>

[vague obsidian]

Imagine getting a perfect ascension choice for every goblet.

[thorny parcel]

I wonder if sometime in the future you won't have to imagine it, because the devs added a Bizarre Dream for it.

[dawn ledge]

What I kinda want is an option to get one normal scroll of your choosing at the start of a run but that is likely broken

[proven sage]

Dream of Command

[thorny parcel]

• Picks Occult Booster in Lone Wolf.
• Picks the Mid-Air Strike normal scroll.
• Restart until Mid-Air Strike gets enhanced.
• Breeze through everything with -90% DMG Taken.

[last vine]

that is like the entirety of acts 1 and 2

[dawn ledge]

Yea, its not too difficult to get going since its a "Elemental Bomber" build

Still, it is super reliant on getting the right scroll(s) early for that momentum

[vague obsidian]

primary skill spam build may stronger

[dawn ledge]

I don't know, I rather not be too reliant on cooldown, and its fun seeing the mobs utterly melt and attack each other when I hit the endless mode

Also back when Arcane Ascension was the big season thing, the element build with the elemental pulse scrolls made things a bit too easy

[last vine]

is there only a single AoE increase inscription

and single decrease

[proven sage]

yeah

[dawn ledge]

Yea, the one normal scroll thing would kidna be broken cause of the Crown Prince build I like

still, against the flow is one of those scrolls that I just find super helpful for it

[distant radish]

quick question

I'm doing an endless run to farm for god tier weapons and I have reached the point where my tiger canon has 100000 base damage and when i upgrade it even more it shows that it will go from 100000>230000 or somthing like that but then goes back down to 100000. Is it actually increasing the damage or is the base damage capped at 100000. I'm not sure because the cap on the display number isn't high enough for me to tell. thanks

[thorny parcel]

It's capped.

[distant radish]

darn

i overleveled it so much then

[thorny parcel]

Not that it matters much even if it wasn't capped, because the damage cap in general exists.

[distant radish]

im running an aoe monkey build so its doesnt reach that very easily

[uneven vessel]

Hitting the damage cap in endless doesn't take long

well, boundless

Not a lot of people play the actual endless given how heavily one sided the gameplay it

[dawn ledge]

Yea, the player characters just eventually end up pubstomping everything that even looks that them funny

and alas, fixing that can lead to complications and possibly unpopular changes

[thorny parcel]

Fixing it will lead to months if not years of effort and guaranteed unpopular changes.

They've spent almost the last 3 years making sure we can atomize anything the game throws at us, after all, and people have come to accept that as the way it's meant to be played.

For some reason though they've still yet to do the same to the earliest difficulties, which still smacks people in the face with its difficulty when they just want to chill.

[uneven vessel]

in boundless yes, endless not so much

with boundless you can play with what build you would like! as you are not pressured, can get everything in the game and enemies scale slower
endless, you are on a timer, enemies scale dramatically, most characters and builds fall off at the "struggle phase"

some sadly dont even make it to that phase of the run :<

[dawn ledge]

So maybe we can make it so that the enemies scale more in boundless or something?

[uneven vessel]

that would be nice, more so Reincarnation 9!

if you want enemies to scale more you'd need to choose dual edge, flesh and bones and sanguine relic from the firtunes

fortunes*

[dawn ledge]

yes but that requires RNG to happen, wouldn't it be preferable for the increased difficulty to not be (as) RNG and choice dependent?

Also has any build made good use of Flesh and Bones cause from my experience it just makes certain shield enemies that much more painful

[uneven vessel]

I was just saying that is unfortunately the only way to make them scale quicker
the flesh and bones part is because of the 2 other scrolls in the fortunes, doubling them both

I do wish at least reincarnation 9 scaled the same as endless did

[scenic sun]

shoutouts to my teammate "Datura" for finally getting me this achievement

[candid cobalt]

yo what's a good set up for cat secondary spam build in reincarnation? like what 3 spiritual blessings should i take assuming i already have infinite secondaries?

[last vine]

painkiller is completely busted so take that if you want to not even get to play the game

skill freak is good

smogbound zone is good

elemental maestro also

[uneven vessel]

Smogbound Zone
Elemental Maestro
Counterviolence
Painkiller (Lone Wolf)
Get Acidominance III

Grenades! Grenades everywhere!

[last vine]

take skill freak instead of painkiller if you like playing the game and not watching a video of enemies dying

[candid cobalt]

Why counterviolence may i ask cos doesnt it only apply to weapon damage?

[candid cobalt]

what about armed caster?

[last vine]

not that big of a bonus

[last vine]

acidominance 3 spawns a grenade on crits. counterviolence means easier crits with weapons like rainbow

or radioactive gauntlets

more maintenance but more enemies hit

[candid cobalt]

i was thinking of using cloudweaver while spamming the secondary is that any better?

[uneven vessel]

nah

counterviolence with radioactive gauntlet or rainbow

because it spams grenades on all enemies for free

you just have to look and hold fire :3

[last vine]

just use gauntlet on normal enemies and spam grenades on big enemies

you can have a cloudweaver in transcendant arsenal extra inventory slots if you really want

to swap to for bosses/elites

[candid cobalt]

i see, cos before this i just use an angelic aura for that cos i dont mind the slight aiming

[candid cobalt]

yo for the exclusive inscription(◈ Increases the DMG to the same target by 20% for every attack (Up to 100%)) for cloud weaver does it apply to any damage or is it just weapon damage?

[vague obsidian]

Weapon dmg

[snow vector]

I haven't played for around 1.5 years, can someone enlighten me as to what is good now? Last I played miasma was the way.

[thorny parcel]

It would probably take less effort to say what isn't good now. Thanks to how many things have been buffed, or how we just keep getting given more bonuses and powers at negligible cost, it's likely that even the worst things can still win in a reasonable time if you just pick a bunch of other good things.

The hardest part of the game is when you don't have many things.

[snow vector]

yeah I played with my friend yesterday and those new things were oneshotting everything but I thought it might be luck

the pollen thing and stuff

[thorny parcel]

Yeah, it's not luck. It's consistent.

[snow vector]

thank you

[thorny parcel]

You'd be luckier if you actually fail because you got nothing but junk.

[snow vector]

I guess one must implement restrictions upon thyself for a meaningful game

[thorny parcel]

Yep.

You have no alternative. Can't even ditch the seasonal event stuff.

[last vine]

inscriptions only apply to the weapon itself

[candid cobalt]

is that before the painkiller buff? cos current painkiller is braindead broken.

[snow vector]

don't remember anything like that and search results show painkiller became meta after my leave

[candid cobalt]

yeah give that shi a go. that spiritual blessing go cray2 with cat smoke bomb.

[echo vine]

I've been working on some conceptual heroes
How does this sound for a Primary Skill?
Fuming Form:
Enter an invulnerable state for 7 seconds in which you cannot use weapons or your secondary skill.
During the duration, Primary Skill becomes Venom Pulse and and its cooldown is immediately refreshed upon use. Primary Skill continues to cool down during the duration.
Venom Pulse deals 500 dmg to all enemies within 5 meters and afflicts them with Decay.
For every use of Venom Pulse during the duration of Fuming Form, +50% total dmg and +1 meter of range.

---

It focuses on cooldown reduction and maximum primary stacks to stack damage as high as possible

There would be ascensions focused on cooldown reduction during the duration and adding temporary uses after entering Fuming Form

[thorny parcel]

Sounds like Tidal Aspis, but slightly different.

• Invulnerability, check.
• Overly long duration for said invulnerability, check.
• Can't use weapons, check.
• Close-range special attack, check.

[echo vine]

Fair point

I figure it's different enough to have different gameplay

Focuses more on AoE, doesn't use secondary and focuses on an entirely different mechanic

But I agree it does sound mostly like Aspis

[thorny parcel]

It sounds like it would suffer from both having limited variety, and also super-boosting the limited stuff you have.

So you'd be absurdly good at very few things. In this game, that's exactly what you need to easily win.

[echo vine]

Another good point

The character itself is focused on Decay, primary stacks and Miasma stacking

Essentially DoTing everything to death

The secondary skill deals damage and adds a permenent Miasma stack to an enemy

[thorny parcel]

The general idea has merit of being basically an AoE that dances around enemies, but would need a lot of tweaking to not be Tidal Aspis but better.

[echo vine]

Maybe removing the invulnerability, but I don't want another bird situation in R9

Yeah, still fundamentally needs some tweaking