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[ruby hedge]

That or a die doing something stupid cuz I try weird combos that are fairly impractical

Like sword Lei Luo lol

I know HOW to do more damage of course

And I'll play properly in multi player

but when I wanna screw around in single player I'll do dumb impractical stuff

[final ore]

penetration bullet... penetration bullet...

[soft pilot]

Hello everyone, i have question. If I bought the game in steam, will I be able to play on my phone without buying the game again? Maybe they can be synchronized somehow

[thorny parcel]

No.

They're different versions of the game.

[soft pilot]

Oh, ok. Thx you

[urban tusk]

Just beat nightmare

[hoary comet]

crying

i dont even play this game that much anymore

still crying

[thorny parcel]

Crying about what part?

[proven sage]

he dislikes buffs

[thorny parcel]

Oh wait, I didn't notice the parts where it mentions one enemy, and consuming 30 energy in the cast.

Eh, my money is on the hit part is just translation issues so it's the same as usual.

[proven sage]

ehm

Boundless is +0.5% DR per stage, at 8 and its 4%

[spark valve]

sounds about right. my friend and i ended our run in the low 50s and the damage reduction percentage was in the mid 20s

[hoary comet]

ye

also like

does the 90 seconds refresh?

like per cast

idk

confusing description

it it refreshes per cast then holy moly we are so back

[thorny parcel]

It most likely does.

Independent durations isn't something they do very often, if at all, with blessings.

Would be funny if it was a genuine nerf though, because Raging Inferno is actually one of the weaker hero blessings.

[proud needle]

Li‘s change is most likely not a translation error

more overall an adjustment so players dont spam cast her primary for the bonus

[thorny parcel]

No not the 30 energy part. The "stack on one enemy" part.

[proud needle]

Instead need to use min 30 energy ( aka a section of the charge bar) and get 3x the previous bonus

Yes

One enemy

so its slower stacking since its only 10 stacks with 45% each

instead of spamming for 30 stacks 15%

Wanting players to aim and deliberately build up

not „Imma spam this and get the bonus to max anyway“

Its just an adjustment towards focusing the players attention and aim

[thorny parcel]

I'm saying the translation for the "one enemy" part might not be accurate.

It could either be as it was before, where it's a stack for every one enemy you hit.

Or it could be a nerf where you only get 1 stack for the entire Spiritual Flame, as long as you hit at least one enemy.

[proud needle]

And I say it’s specifically one enemy

and I wouldn’t call it a nerf as the end bonus is the same

before you could spam and miss as long as a few small fireballs hit you got max bonus in no time and had no issue keeping it up

Now it demands from the player to actually pay attention to what they do

[thorny parcel]

That's literally what one would call "a nerf".

[proud needle]

I wouldnt see that as a nerf

[thorny parcel]

If it changes from "careless spam is fine" to "careless spam is not fine", then that's a nerf to its overall potential.

[proud needle]

If the spam wasn’t intended to be done at all then its not a nerf

[thorny parcel]

Except it was intended. Otherwise this change would've been done what, a year ago?

[proud needle]

We both know that that isnt a factor sadly

[thorny parcel]

Except we do. New things sometimes get adjustments immediately.

Like Owl's Falling Star sucking.

Or Spiritual Assault being "too hard".

Or literally right in the latest update where Endless Journey gets outclassed by the new Boundless Dream when it comes to casual play.

If it was a problem they thought deserved fixing, they would've fixed it.

They didn't.

Heck, looking back they actually DID make changes to Raging Inferno with things they thought deserved fixing.

They fixed the energy recovery, because it was twice as fast as it should've been.

That would've been a perfect opportunity to take to fix anything else that was a problem.

They didn't.

100% intended.

[ruby hedge]

Raging Inferno was recovering energy faster than intended?

Wasn't even aware of that before now

[thorny parcel]

When it was released it recovered 1 energy every 1m, when the description said it was 1 energy every 2m.

It was fixed ages ago.

[ruby hedge]

OH, I thought that was a recent thing

Yeah, I didn't get the dlc until way late into it being out

I likely wasn't around for that

The energy recovery part is my favorite part of that blessing

[fickle cipher]

is there any difference between boundless journey and endless journey? besides the difficulty they are on

[ruby hedge]

boundless = no limitation on goblets or scrolls, no timer

[fickle cipher]

sweet thanks

[ruby hedge]

endless = challenge mode with a timer, limited scrolls and goblets

[fickle cipher]

so just like the nov 23 one

nice of the devs to give players a choice

[ruby hedge]

Mhm! I'm glad they did that

[thorny parcel]

Li was released on 08/29/2022. The Raging Inferno fix was done on 09/23/2022, less than a month after release.

To put it into perspective, she only got her 4th blessing Energy Draining on 10/28/2022, almost 2 months after release.

It is now almost 16 months after her release.

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, I think I got the dlc just after that

[hoary comet]

16 months
man time flies

[thorny parcel]

Anyone willing to put money on, come month 17, Raging Inferno gets a buff?

[hoary comet]

:3

[ruby hedge]

Buffed or nerf, as long as they don't take away the energy gain from movement I'll probably still use it

[hoary comet]

ill test it out only cuz i always take it

[ruby hedge]

Raging Inferno is my favorite too lol

[thorny parcel]

Here you go, imaginary buff.

Raging Inferno
Old: +45% Base DMG of [Spiritual Flame] for hitting one enemy with [Spiritual Flame] which consumed over 30 energy (up to 10 stacks, last for 90s). Restore 1 energy for every 2m moved.

New: +50% Base DMG of [Spiritual Flame] for hitting one enemy with [Spiritual Flame] which consumed over 30 energy (up to 10 stacks, last for 120s). Restore 1 energy for every 2m moved. +10% Movement Speed for every 10 energy currently missing.

[hoary comet]

all i care about is big numbers

YES

that would be so broken

think for a bit

li has max like

[thorny parcel]

And yet, not out of the realm of possibility.

[hoary comet]

uhhh

[thorny parcel]

Since Painkiller exists.

[hoary comet]

how much energy for max upgrade

[hoary comet]

+180% movemnt speed

mgmhjmm

[ruby hedge]

Fast fox would be fun and broken lol

[hoary comet]

wouldnt that make her the fastest character?

idk how much bunny gets at max stacks

[ruby hedge]

It would probably make her faster than Lei Luo, yeah lol

Lei Luo being the current fastest

Oh wait, rabbit gets a speed skill too, right?

[hoary comet]

ye

im pretty sure

[ruby hedge]

Lei Luo gets higher base speed and extra speed from the skill being active

I've stacked every speed scroll on him at once AND had 3 stacks of the training master level 3 speed buff and it was pretty funny how fast I was moving

[scenic sun]

nooo instead of recovering energy it now restores it 😭

[thorny parcel]

That's literally the same thing.

[ruby hedge]

??

I was about to say

That's like "attack speed" versus "rate of fire"

same thing, different wording

[scenic sun]

I know, I just hate the inconsistencies

[hoary comet]

i would say attack speed for melee and rate of fire for guns

[ruby hedge]

That would make sense, but I've had "rate of fire" increases for melee weapon inscriptions before

I think "attack speed" is more all encompassing

If they were to use one wording consistently

[hoary comet]

shooting with a sword 🔥🔥

[ruby hedge]

I mean if it is the fire tower that one does shoot, but that's also not technically a sword, it's a club

It's also my least favorite melee weapon, and I see it a lot whenever I'm playing Li cuz it's a natural fire weapon and thus drops from bosses a lot lol

[exotic cobalt]

So um- ... I'm probably (definitely) not the first to ask this. What? .,.

[rigid warren]

whats a good gemini and secondary for thunderstorm ?

[unreal flame]

elemental share, anything with high elemental chance

[reef breach]

pretty fun run

[marsh silo]

so whens the roadmap update ?

it says on the current one more to come

[proud needle]

Maaaybe give the devs some time

one feature was already mentioned in the current patchnotes but between now and new year it wont be there directly

[ruby hedge]

I'm hoping for more for my favorite game mode, spirit assault

Like maybe difficulty options and/or new maps

[thorny parcel]

Sorry, they're going to be too busy re-buffing Raging Inferno and apologizing by also buffing Endless Windfires and Firefox Blessing to focus on Spiritual Assault.

[plain panther]

[silent osprey]

so, uhhh, Raging Inferno CN description still says "every enemy hit"
so it is indeed as altanna expected, a translation issue. xP

[harsh wagon]

can you get the achievement for beating both pole monarch and gluttony in the actual endless mode?

or is it exclusive to the timed mode

[ruby hedge]

I have no way to test it myself since I got the achievement from actual endless

[harsh wagon]

hmm, I don't have it yet, last achievement so I guess I'll test when I wake up

[ocean cobalt]

This is so funny, that's going in the arsenal. Gonna slap a Critical enhancement on it when I can.

https://puu.sh/JXiLa/4218e2fea0.png

I'm in love with Boundless Dream.

[quartz current]

Nice microwave you have there

Bet that cooks Hot Pockets in seconds

[ocean cobalt]

heating up macking cheese in the micael wave

[ruby hedge]

Acid Rainbow

Or could be considered radioactive 🤔

In which case microwave gun fits

[quartz current]

Ow the mike in rave cooked the macking cheese too hut and I born my tongs

[ocean cobalt]

Is it possible to trade arsenal guns in multiplayer? Like withdrawl and then drop it for another player to use and put in their arsenal?

[ruby hedge]

Yes, but you need to do it when at the actual arsenal guard

[fickle cipher]

Anyone tried the new atom bomb

[thorny parcel]

What new atomic bomb.

[fickle cipher]

Nvm mb 😭

I thought the “up to 1000%” thing is new

[thorny parcel]

It's not new.

It was a buff compared to the previous version though.

[snow abyss]

Can someone explain to me the difference between Boundless Dream and Endless Journey? Are they both endless modes?

[proven sage]

Boundless = casual/unlimited/sandboxy
Endless = harder/limited/timed

[snow abyss]

Thx

[cinder basalt]

endless has a timer so it's possible to lose, boundless you can just do whatever you want and keep going forever

[final ore]

does boundless have scroll cap?

[pastel sand]

did that issue of game chrashes during mp on console get fixxed yet?

[lime garnet]

Probably not

[pastel sand]

only asking cause its on sale for 10$ rn but if its still bugged like that then theres no point

[proud needle]

Console never recieved an update from 505 since one small hotfix shorty after release

since then no bug fixes or anything else

[final ore]

ye 505 just abandoned it on release

can't duoyi get the rights for the console release back?

[proud needle]

Again

babysteps

Contracts are a nasty thing if technicallities stop things

Some games got from 505 free but it tool years

[final ore]

505 a bunch of asshats real?

[proud needle]

yes

As with all things not all there

but in organisation and executive they definitely are

the coders are just doing their assigned jobs

[final ore]

ok what the fuck these guys killed off like a trillion games how are they not sued into the fucking GROUND

[proud needle]

Making more money than losing

simple as that

Just more and more know the problems with them

Porting they do absolute dogshit work

publisher wise they do a normal job

[final ore]

i mean, they fucked up with control ultimate edition BAD and that did nothing to em

[ruby hedge]

No cap

[final ore]

fun

[ruby hedge]

Boundless is sandbox mode basically so limitations aren't needed

[ocean cobalt]

Are any of the launchers eligible for the rare "when manually reloading, increased magazine size" inscription?

The answer is yes

[ruby hedge]

Oh nice

989 magazine??

[ocean cobalt]

-Tao
-Expanded Star Ring with +100% and +60% magazine size [And magazine size on manual kill, but this doesn't do anything anymore]
-Spiritual Link that gives launchers +100 magazine size
-Expanded Thunder Storm with +100% and +60% magazine size with the quick reload on kill buff

Depending on what percent my two Expandeds landed on, this might be the largest currently available magazine. I could have used Frenzied Shark for its one greater base magazine, but I decided to put this effort onto a good weapon.

[harsh wagon]

frenzied bruh

[cloud rain]

So I was checking out the new Gunfire Reborn update, and I saw this.

A few days ago, the drive I installed Gunfire Reborn to experienced file loss, as it wasn't disconnected correctly when I was trying to exit out of PCSX2. When I exited out of PCSX2, it immediately crashed, and then I started to notice that files were disappearing off my drive.

[rancid pine]

Merry Christmas everyone, have a good time

[harsh wagon]

pain and suffering

endless journey run started at longling tomb lol

[fading sand]

wait, so is the porcupine or argus better for spores?

[thorny parcel]

Argus.

[fading sand]

i have a 19.76 projectile argus vs a 26 projectile porcupine, argus would still be better with the rainbow?

[thorny parcel]

Argus is pretty much always better.

[white lance]

Maybe this is just coincidental but has anybody noticed that all everyone seems to always have the same profile image as you?

I was Li and everyone else was Li too, I switched to Tao and now everyones Tao

[ocean cobalt]

Apparently Spores takes into account the damage of the offhand gun as well as the projectile count, not that the game makes this clear.

[harsh wagon]

Li gang

(as I'm playing Tao right now)

currently committing some war crimes

[harsh wagon]

so is boundless dream supposed to drop soul essence?

I thought it'd be disabled like endless journey considering boundless is just an easier version of that

[ruby hedge]

I still get essence. Why would they disable it when you can still get peddlers and change blessings?

[ruby hedge]

I mean it still says bosses drop essence even on that

And boundless is the easier version of it for casual players

[harsh wagon]

all the enemies were dropping it for me on boundless, but yeah

speaking of endless journey

got gluttony twice in a row too :')

[ruby hedge]

Oh, that's a bug if so... endless is supposed to guarantee the other boss the first time around

Boundless it's not guaranteed, and endless is randomized after the second loop onward

[harsh wagon]

Huh, well I don't know why it gave me that message about a countdown and endless journey

cause it's still going with just boundless lol

[ruby hedge]

OH, wait what? Yeah that message is from endless, not boundless... normally

Weird message to get

[harsh wagon]

dual edge finally acquired, this is about to get funny

[harsh wagon]

haha stage 69 funny number

[ocean cobalt]

I wish Boundless and Endless runs could be put on their own save files to allow for other normal solo runs or multiplayer games.

[mild maple]

ayo so the inscription collector talent , it says it increases the chance of an exclusive inscription appearing by 50%, is it an absolute increase or a multiplicative one

[thorny parcel]

Multiplicative, because there is no way that exclusive inscriptions have a 50% chance of appearing.

[mild maple]

i figured

aint no way in hell its 50% and i only found one dropped from golem

if its multiplicative, whats the base

the normal amount

[thorny parcel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mild maple]

BRUH

[thorny parcel]

Only thing known about the chances is it increases based on the weapon's level.

[mild maple]

i came here from the wiki cus it didnt tell me shit

[thorny parcel]

Early weapons almost never get them, while later weapons often get 3 at once.

[mild maple]

it is better to pick up a new higher level weapon and save cash or upgrade current

[thorny parcel]

It depends, but usually you want later weapons to upgrade, since at minimum they have more inscriptions.

[mild maple]

i love deafening mortar

my beloved

i had two one time and dualling them like megaman is great

is bloody drill good?

[thorny parcel]

You can ask that about 95% of weapons and the answer will be "it depends".

[mild maple]

i meant the gimick

the bleed

[thorny parcel]

If you have enough bonus damage where you can easily kill enemies in a few shots, or are dealing with shielded/armored enemies, it's good.

If your precision aiming sucks or are dealing with many weak enemies that are spread out, it's bad.

Also include a large number of situational circumstances.

[mild maple]

whats your least favorite weapon, dont say it depends

[thorny parcel]

Pupil, but not because it's the best weapon in the game with amazing synergies.

[proven sage]

it hits hard tho (haven’t used it for a year+)

[mild maple]

damn why do you hate the pupil

[thorny parcel]

Because it looks sleek, feels hefty to fire, has charged shots which I like, and isn't bad damage despite being a lightning weapon.

Oh wait, I thought you said my favorite weapon.

Not least favorite.

[proven sage]

Strike Wing

[mild maple]

the shitty yellow coupons

[proven sage]

fair

[mild maple]

and why only ONE of the gloves have slight homing, and they gave it to the worst one

and theyre all bad

[thorny parcel]

Least favorite weapon is Frenzied Shark.

Its damage is mediocre, the restrictions are major without ways to mitigate them, and the "gimmick" is usually more a handicap than anything.

[mild maple]

whats that

[thorny parcel]

The bouncy grenade launcher.

[mild maple]

OOOH THE GREEN GUN

holy damn i used that once, and only because it was in the starter chest and the other options where melees

[thorny parcel]

It looks fun to watch all the grenades bounce around at first, until you realize its damage is like firing rubber balls, and most of the bouncing ends up causing grenades to miss everything.

[mild maple]

hold up i gotta look up the weapons , if i dont like a weapon i literally dont see it

prism

glimmering

star ring is weird but sweeps

accidentally blown me before because i was less than 2km away from a barrel

i remember getting combo'ed by 3 barrels while using the ring

[ocean cobalt]

Star Ring is excellent. Personal top 8 weapons, easily. I highly recommend using the alternate mode with B to automatically expand the ring and focus on damaging enemies with the contraction.

[mild maple]

why does it sometimes deal 10% dmg

if the ring stayed on an enemy

[thorny parcel]

Because rapid repeat hits.

[ocean cobalt]

Enemies gain resistance to it for a second with repeated hits. That won't happen when you're using the expansion and contraction to do damage.

[mild maple]

oh

damn

so social distancing isnt a good strategy

i thought thats how youre supposd to do it and it was really hard keeping the enemies on the ring

[proud needle]

@rough jay screenshots go in the general channels not #gunfire-videos
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750664488637693952/1188691602626064385/image.png?ex=659b7252&is=6588fd52&hm=b8452f2bfcde17e3538c801efd56a4f953046667c1dc10078cb4cabeb846c974&

[rough jay]

ok 😅

[proud needle]

#discord-announcements message

[tiny barn]

Merry Christmas (and happy holidays) everybody!!!🎄🎉

[near cloak]

When will we get a console update and if we not can you just say we not

[thorny parcel]

Blame 505 Games for not updating the console ports.

Also blame them for not saying anything for the past year.

[gusty mountain]

Why ele share when you're using painkiller?

[plain panther]

That somehow doesnt feel right

[ruby hedge]

Wait what? How?

[plain panther]

I'll let you know once we figure it out

he did come down by himself after a while but still

[ruby hedge]

Just never seen it do that mid air before

I did have a weird (purely client side) glitch before where iron wing was floating in the air though. He still hit everything and my friends could still see him normally, but he was floating 100 feet in the air on my side.

[plain panther]

jup same

[ruby hedge]

Never had a boss do that though

[thorny parcel]

Fairly sure Wind God does that when you force his self-tornado attack to trigger when he goes below a certain HP threshold on Reincarnation 9.

And he's in the middle of his dive attack.

Flies super high, his tornado attack triggers, he becomes a tornado super high in the air.

[ruby hedge]

Aah, so it's just something I haven't encountered but can happen

[plain panther]

That is indeed what happened, still, in a bunch of runs that hadn't happened before

genuinely thought for a couple of seconds that we broke the run

[ocean cobalt]

Had it happen exactly once, here.

[thorny parcel]

Spores might be the best gemini for painkiller cat, simply because it takes almost no effort to make, just like painkiller cat does.

However, Painkiller is definitely NOT the best blessing for a DPS run. It gets its strength from effortlessly making enemies helpless while taking percentage damage, not because everything dies instantly.

Stuff got changed for Cat recently so I wouldn't know anymore.

Though Smogbound Zone is probably terrifyingly potent with any fire weapon now, even without element share.

[proud needle]

Smogbound and Elemental Maestro is fun

[fading sand]

if i have a +.2 projectile/kill weapon, do the projectiles reset when i load back up my game from where i previously saved?

[mild maple]

why does lone wolf set number of players to 2 despite playing single player

[deep cipher]

The amount of players in Lone Wolf will change the amount of enemies and the difficult.

[mild maple]

yea i noticed but y 2

[harsh wagon]

Alright so after going through 6 Gluttony fights to get a pole monarch fight in boundless dream, you cannot get the achievement for beating both of them in boundless dream, has to be in endless journey

[deep cipher]

It's the minimum it will accept.
Otherwise lone wolf would only bring advantages

[mild maple]

so enemies being "fiercer" isnt enough?

what does that even do

more damage and faster?

[proven sage]

LW adds more enemies based on number

[deep cipher]

Adds more enemies and adjust their attacks damage to be more balanced

[mild maple]

yeah but why would you go above 2 with no extra benefit?

[deep cipher]

Everything else remains unchanged

[proud needle]

...

Like

[deep cipher]

The benefit is that you will able to select a Spiritual Blessing at the start of the game

[proud needle]

have you read the lone wolf description ?

[deep cipher]

Normally in the game you can only have 3 at max, Lone Wolf gives you a fourth one you will keep in the entire playthrough

[proud needle]

Enemies and spawns behave as if X players are there

but you can choose ( dont have to) a starter blessing

[deep cipher]

And even with the extra enemies appearing on the game, it can't be that hard if you choose an really good Spiritual Blessing

[mild maple]

oh i meant lone wolf allows you to go to 2,3 and 4 players , if youre playing single player, does it matter what you pick or it scales?

[deep cipher]

It scales according to the option you choose

[proven sage]

its a single player only modifier

[proud needle]

And not HP

just amount

Just

More

[deep cipher]

Yea
Only the amount of enemies will change with an adjustment on their damage,everything else remains vanilla

[proven sage]

quite sure dmg is unchanged (just more enemies)

[proud needle]

just

enemies

more

nothing fancy

[mild maple]

so you can only use it while single player, it gives you a early choice of a spiritual blessing, and gives you a choice between 2, 3 and 4 players so the game spawns more enemies depending on what you chose, is what i understood

the player choice is just a enemy quantity selection and not how many players youre with because you can only use it while single

true?

[proud needle]

yes

[mild maple]

so why would you select anything other than 2 on the player selection?

[proud needle]

again

more enemies

[mild maple]

more

[proud needle]

just more

[proven sage]

its fun

[proud needle]

nothing else

[deep cipher]

For extra challenge?

[proud needle]

just more enemies

[deep cipher]

People like more challenge, that's why it have more options

[proud needle]

No special reason , no hidden bonus

[mild maple]

ok so its an internal difficulty slider

[proud needle]

kind of

The moment you get dual edge it backfires

as that means more stack fodder

[mild maple]

so if more enemies do they get nerfed or theyre just more enemies

[proud needle]

just more enemies

[proven sage]

no change, just more

[mild maple]

so they all attack at the same speed, have the same health ,deal the same damage, and more buffed enemy spawns

i just beat nightmare and this is insane i get immediately ganked every room past the 3rd one

[proud needle]

you dont have to

[mild maple]

big ass 7 foot horses closing in on me while all 4 types of grenadiers lob shit from Narnia

[proud needle]

Also if you start out try lone wolf with just two and set the bonus blessing to overconsumption

It will drastically change your play if you are having trouble right now

[mild maple]

wtf is that blessing

damn

why is there a blue frog

[proud needle]

just talk to him

[mild maple]

he set a scroll on fire

nah this is way too easy

i wanna suffer

[proud needle]

R1

yes

just get to higher

[mild maple]

higher what

[proud needle]

Compared to nightmare R1 is the easier one

Reincarnation levels

[mild maple]

theres levels?

[proud needle]

on PC up to lvl 9

and on 9 enemies change and get bonus moves and effects

[mild maple]

so is the jump between levels compared to normal - elite, elite - nightmare, or is it less or more of a jump

[proven sage]

https://i.imgur.com/JKYF8TB.png

[mild maple]

whats the mysterious jokul

[proven sage]

a modifier, like LW

makes it harder

[mild maple]

oh

[proven sage]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Bizarre_Dream

[mild maple]

oh wait i can select more than 1 modifier

[proven sage]

you can do all

[proud needle]

yes

[mild maple]

this is way more fun

damn

whats the difference between boundless and endless

[proud needle]

Endless is the hardmode endless

In boundless you can get all scrolls and all ascensions eventually and no time limit

[mild maple]

someone told me endless has a golbet limit

[proud needle]

Endless you can only have max 60 scrolls and after one loop you cant get more ascensions but have to swap them if you want to change

Yesnt

if you in theory could get all ascensions before the first loop that would still be okay in endless

[mild maple]

in theory

[proud needle]

but you cant get new ones past the first loop
How many you have at the end of act 4 is your max

Which is why Blessing in disguise is one of the best scrolls to get in endless

3/5 more ascensions

and in theory repeatable if you can sell the scroll and then get it back

[mild maple]

so you can just use more modifiers to make boundless harder and you got better endless?

what makes endless harder

limits?

imma just go wiki

why is the wiki fandom

is it the official one?

[deep cipher]

Yes.

[ocean cobalt]

I tried this, in a run, I got Blessing, used its three charges, then upgraded it to enhanced and it only had 2 extra charges.

[low bridge]

Someone play in Radmin VPN

[proud needle]

thats intended

[ocean cobalt]

So it sounds like it's not repeatable if the use count is tied to the player and not the scroll.

[proud needle]

selling the scroll and getting it again hasnt been done yet so its only theoretical

the upgrade is because it increases the total from 3 to 5 with the upgrade

with boundless that can be tested more easily now

[fickle cipher]

are skill builds good in endless without elite ass/extravagant consumption? kinda wanna do a thorny bloom build

[thorny parcel]

Exclusively Swords Out.

All other skill builds hit too slowly.

[slim estuary]

bruhhh my account reset ;-;

[plush estuary]

How many Emotes are there in game?
I cant find it on the wiki

[marble ore]

whats the best character that takes no skill and is easy to play but is still good

[thorny parcel]

Nona.

Just get Iron Wing to do everything for you.

[marble ore]

thats dlc

[thorny parcel]

Correct.

[harsh wagon]

So in terms of Tao, I should build for the swords when aiming for a good endless journey run?

Cause I've gotten there like 5 times now and failed only a couple stages in either due to lack of dps or survivability.

[proven sage]

this was mine

https://i.imgur.com/lrMbfAD.png

with these in the end

https://i.imgur.com/SvS9zCz.png

priorities

https://i.imgur.com/JQeuKMg.png

[thorny parcel]

Classic Birb. Worse than Break the Ice.

[quartz current]

Tao being the queen of endless feels correct.

[slim estuary]

so i haven't played in a long time, is the +200% damage to combustion procs new? combustion was pretty bad last i remember but that sounds a lot better

[thorny parcel]

That part of Combustion isn't new, and it was never bad unless it was used incorrectly.

[slim estuary]

i dont even remember why it was bad, just that it was

or that manip/miasma were way better

but +200% dmg looks way better on monkey particularly

[thorny parcel]

If anything, Combustion is now even stronger than it used to be.

Not only does it retain the 200% damage against the hit enemy, it also does 100% damage to all other nearby enemies and is considered fire/corrosion damage by default, letting it get +50% total damage against HP/Armor.

The only real downside is it now has a 0.12s cooldown, but that's so low that only very rapid hits or shotguns suffer from it.

[slim estuary]

well, i mostly only play monkey so that's nice

although i think monkey wants crit share anyways not elemental share

[thorny parcel]

He can use either one.

[proven sage]

note that combustion can't do 200%

its 300% against Health/Armor and 150% against Shield

[marble ore]

what makes the cat so good?

[ruby oasis]

He’s a domestic feline

[urban tusk]

any time I see the spear elite I just leave the room

it's not worth it

[marble ore]

how do i do element fusion with the cat

does his grenade count as decay?

[ruby hedge]

With a 100% effect chance yes

Just apply another element and you've got a fusion

Or use painkiller blessing which is auto elemental fusion with any element

[marble ore]

is fire or lightning better

[mild maple]

ayo i found a enhanced scroll with a "lightweight trigger" text next to it

what does that mean

[urban tusk]

what

I hate it

[ruby hedge]

Fire and Corrosion make explosions
Lightning and Corrosion make miasma (hp % based damage dot)

Depends how big the enemies hp pool is

[mild maple]

whats that light weight trigger

its not giving me the +2% buff

[celest tundra]

Can confirm, i own a cat irl, and he also does alotta damage to us owners with his poison grenade.

[silent osprey]

it's telling you that the scroll is a part of a spiritual link.

the 0/3 means you currently have 0 in your inventory that is a part of said link.

[mild maple]

how do i know what counts for the set

[silent osprey]

you can check the spiritual links with the button at the bottom of your inventory screen.

[mild maple]

alr thank you

holy shit, no cooldown?

[silent osprey]

nope, but it has half of the duration (1s to 0.5s) and only works on weapon switching, instead of weapon switching or reloading.

can be abused though. (if you dislike your scroll wheel kekw. /j)

[mild maple]

so when im in a pinch i just have to switch weapons fast enough and basically be immortal

[silent osprey]

basically

[proud needle]

but cant attack during that

[silent osprey]

you kinda can't attack with weapons if you do this though, unless you run skill dmg builds.

[mild maple]

damn, how do even die after reaching end game

[proud needle]

oh thats easy later on

Later on skill dmg falls of hard and only weapon dmg persists meaning you are locking yourself into a state of not dying but also not progressing

and the moment you stop the swap immortality its a race for who hits first

[ruby hedge]

No cooldown and you can spam scroll wheel

[ruby hedge]

Lei Luo passive thunder and iron wing can though!

[proven sage]

Tao Swordout

[warm sentinel]

Lads, I'm interested if there's any other way to increase the procs for elemental effect. Since it gave me insane damage boost with critx mods & lucky chances. Excluding Elemental Weave.

I'm new & on mobile; tips are welcome.

[young goblet]

aside from character specific boosts and upgrades to weapons, no

well, and some scrolls, but you know abt that already

[warm sentinel]

Boost like the convert to DMG type?

[young goblet]

there's convert to damage type, character buffs that impact frequency, duration and potency (cat has a lot of these) etc

[warm sentinel]

Wdym by frequency?

[young goblet]

how often the effect is applied

[warm sentinel]

Is that how the percentage that it'll proc?

[slim estuary]

does monkey cudgel dmg factor in additional projectiles? like the tiger cannon +1 projectile exclusive

[kindred mauve]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[tidal solstice]

How do i gain acess to LFG?

[proud needle]

There is no lock...

[fickle cipher]

which gemini is better for tao weapon dmg in endless? crit x combined or spore

[fluid kernel]

dont know if this ir the right chat but.
dose anyone know if its ok to run phantom skin with lightless shield? they arent going to mess up each others effects are they?

[fluid kernel]

i like crit x combined because i like to use automatic weapons with Taos kit,
just try them both out and try and see wich one has the biggest damage XD

[fickle cipher]

i give up on this run everything is packing 85% resistance

like what am i doing wrong im zeroing into weapon dmg already

but my dps is so bad

[fickle cipher]

spore feels like it kills faster going by vibes alone, just tried both geminis

[scenic sun]

how do i follow the instructions though

[proud needle]

Those are the old ones and the command links to an old channel

Seriously though

You SEE the LFG group and the other channels in the bar , right ?

[scenic sun]

that I do see

[proud needle]

.,.

[scenic sun]

I think the person was mostly confused about the channel link

[gusty mountain]

Mag share with projectiles and a high rof wep.

[fickle cipher]

thanks! running radiation glove rn on this endless attempt, gonna have to find another high mag wep then

[gusty mountain]

It's best to have a high rof wep with projectiles so your DMG can keep up.

[snow abyss]

What are the best characters to do endless modes?

[fickle cipher]

rabbit

[snow abyss]

Any other? My friend is already using her

[proud needle]

Li

[gusty mountain]

Monkey

[snow abyss]

Does his primary skill (Soul Strike) scales with skill dmg or only weapon dmg?

[proud needle]

its not skill dmg

[snow abyss]

So I should focus only in weapon dmg then

[mild maple]

skill freak or field proficiency, on dog

?

which one do i take

[proud needle]

Depends on what you want to do

[mild maple]

i want to kill

[proud needle]

Endless or not , do you have already the grenade skills ? Do you have Atomic Dog ?

[mild maple]

no?

i didnt think its good

[proud needle]

Either you are using your nades or not

[mild maple]

no

grenades doodoo

[proud needle]

Then why skill freak ?

[mild maple]

dual wield?

[proud needle]

Please read

[mild maple]

damn

[proud needle]

Did you read the blessing and noticed it ?

[snow abyss]

Do the lightning orbs created by weapon inscriptions count towards weapon hits?

[mild maple]

i read "Skill" and big percentages

thats it

[proud needle]

Also

Atomic Dog is his most broken blessing on him

[mild maple]

really?

[proud needle]

Yes

[mild maple]

i thougt its op early and falls off later

[proud needle]

Atomic dog , double nades and the other nade explosion blessings are enough to R9

Start with the double secondary capacity blessing and atomic dog and you dont need anything in the tomb and early desert

[mild maple]

wow ok

i only use them if some mf is rushing me and im reloading

i give it a try after this

what is the best blessing that is 90 or less

cus after this knowledge im questioning everything

[fickle cipher]

Painkiller or copycat IMO

For general blessings

And not character specific ones

[hidden swan]

Does this imply to just one enemy are any enemy gif by her special flame

[proud needle]

one hit only per cast

no more small fireball spamming to buff

[hidden swan]

Does that mean if I have full charge because I’m hitting enemies with a full charge and I’m getting stacks on each enemy hit

[proud needle]

30

you have 60 total at start

and two bars

One 30 energy blast and only one stack

for 10 total instead of 30

[hidden swan]

I’m hitting enemies with a single blast and I’m getting stacks of flame. It’s still 10 as the limit

[mild maple]

wait tf?

i can reroll the spiritual remnant if i quit and come back

damn

[unreal flame]

They’re enough to beat r9 but it’s terrible in endless

[mild maple]

does revealer apply weakspot in dual-wield?

[ruby oasis]

I think combat elite takes the cake for most op dog blessing

It just scales so well

[unreal flame]

sword mastery

[ruby oasis]

I meant dog blessing

[unreal flame]

o

[unreal flame]

dont think so, since u need to be adsing to proc it

[hidden swan]

So my thoughts on li new change on spiritual flame is this: I’m fine with it but I’m not a fan of the fact the 10 stacks have different timers on there buffs each. It fluctuates damage to often and is a bit more harm than help

[thorny parcel]

All I see is a justified nerf to one of the most powerful damage skills in the game.

[hidden swan]

I understand the nerf I just think the whole “seperate buff timers” really drag it down. I can get around the one enemy hit with sipiritual flame I just wished by just ticking down the buff by 2 every say 20-30 seconds or even taking damage

And I would be lying if I said she didn’t need a nerf because 1 there is a big to her kit that is great and 2 dlc character and it’s a bit unfair for people that don’t want the dlc

[tidal solstice]

@proud needle No i dont have that tab at all. I have Welcome, News and Community, General, Speedrun Community, Streaming, Feedback and Suggestions, Archived Channels, Voice channels. All in that order. i dont even have a Looking-For-Group

[lime garnet]

do you have "show all channels" enabled

[tidal solstice]

I used to have that tab, then took a break from gunfire for a few months

There it is

Thanks you @lime garnet

[lime garnet]

yep

[golden fog]

what happened to struggling to find people to game with for a while to this?

[unreal flame]

Bunch of fun patches

They’re cooking with these updates

[tidal solstice]

Boundless > Endless

[unreal flame]

Idk boundless is kinda dumb

An ok build scales so well you 1 shot everything by the time they even get hard to kill

[lime garnet]

this is the problem with the game

players are too strong

even outside of -less

[unreal flame]

No that’s definitely a boundless thing

You will run out of time with an ok build in endless

[lime garnet]

outside of boundless its still a problem

[unreal flame]

You’re strong for different reasons tho

[lime garnet]

that everything keeps getting buffed too much

with little to compensate

[unreal flame]

Before you beat the game, you’re strong because the enemies aren’t. In boundless, you just get omnipotent with really any build

[thorny parcel]

Boundless is exactly what many people wanted.

[tidal solstice]

I think they need to increase res scaling with lvls

[thorny parcel]

Say thank you to them for demanding everything that slightly annoyed them get removed.

[tidal solstice]

Still ways to get to stage 100+ but harders

[thorny parcel]

Actually the enemies are strong. You can see them kick your ass in act 1 and sometimes act 2 very, very often.

Then you get more ascensions, scrolls and blessings. Suddenly you're the one kicking their ass and they can do nothing about it.

It's player scaling. It's always been player scaling. Based on the continuous update changes, it will forever be player scaling.

And the reason why in Boundless you can still disintegrate every enemy with even mediocre builds is because players still keep scaling.

[hidden swan]

It makes sense since every rougelite usually has the first stages be the hardest stages due to not having proper builds set

[thorny parcel]

Not every roguelite.

My favourite roguelite, Wizard of Legend, doesn't. The enemies at the end can just as easily kick your ass as the ones at the beginning, unless you definitely get lucky.

[ruby hedge]

Wizard of Legend is a lot of fun too, but I've also gotten super powerful in that one through good RNG

[thorny parcel]

I hate tier 3 earth archers, earth lancers, water knights, lightning rogues and lightning mages. Tier 3 specifically.

[thorny parcel]

through good RNG
That's literally the definition of getting lucky.

All other runs, you're going to be tested the entire run.

[unreal flame]

They’re only strong because it’s literally the beginning of the game and you have nothing

Idk why you’re saying “player scaling” like anyone is disagreeing that that’s not the case. The enemies are weak comparatively by like the start of the 3rd act

The reason boundless is boring is because you never stop scaling

[ruby hedge]

I got the spiked med kit (the one that heals you up to a percentage of your HP) and choose the "when you take damage you get money" one, jumped into a pit over and over, got the one that lets shops restock... and then from that got every accessory I wanted... and that was my first actually successful run on wizard of legend... and yes, I DID get lucky to manage to get those particular ones in combo. No way I'm ever getting the true ending on that one though.

There is no point in it where you can become unkillable though

Boundless on GR you can become essentially a god

[thorny parcel]

That's the thing though, it's only this way because of player scaling getting so massively buffed over time.

Back around the initial release of the game, act 3 and 4 actually could be harder than act 1 and 2.

I'm saying that it's player scaling because the enemies aren't weak by the start of the 3rd act. They are very strong, it's just the player is way, way, WAY stronger. Why are they stronger? Player scaling became too strong.

Oh and Boundless probably wouldn't be so boring for you if players didn't scale so strongly, either.

[ruby hedge]

I think my main issue with it is how slow the enemies scale.

I find myself at the 90% damage resistance enemies and they're still getting wiped out easily while barely touching me

I still have fun though lol

[fickle cipher]

man i hate the rng in this game extravagant consumption never shows up despite being 50 stages in

but some random legendary scroll i recycled shows up 4 times lol

mag share gemini is amazing tho thanks stealth

i should have swapped out painkiller for sword mastery for the sweet rof

[unreal flame]

My issue is that I’m going to be doing stuff like this the entire boundless run, by the time they get to 90% dr I’ll have like 5k dual edge and EV stacks

I’ve never felt that strong unless I was running a meta build in endless

[thorny parcel]

And your issue is caused by, you guessed it, fast player scaling.

[proven sage]

its a sandbox

[unreal flame]

It’s just weak enemies

[thorny parcel]

There's a way to tell weak enemies from strong players.

[unreal flame]

Players complained bc they couldn’t kill enemies fast enough to beat the timer

[thorny parcel]

Start a run and, besides the stuff in the starting room, don't take anything. No weapons, ascensions, scrolls, blessings, nothing.

If enemies scale too slowly and are too weak, then you should be able to get through most, if not all of the run without too much of a problem.

If players scale too quickly, not picking up anything which would enable the quick scaling would cause you to get completely obliterated in a short time.

Oh and for obvious reasons, I wouldn't consider Painkiller Cat as fair play for this control test.

[unreal flame]

What did painkiller do in that clip

Literally just shot a sunder round at the boss lol

[thorny parcel]

Painkiller effectively scales with enemies, which is why it's not fair play.

[unreal flame]

But what did it do in that clip?

[thorny parcel]

Did you not read what I suggested?

Your clip is completely unrelated to the idea of a control test run.

[unreal flame]

I resd what you said… painkiller doesn’t make you one shot bosses with a sunder, with every projectile hitting the damage cap

[thorny parcel]

Obviously you didn't read then, because the test is about player scaling vs enemy scaling, and the exclusion of Painkiller is only because it ruins the test.

In any case, if you run through that test run with those restrictions, you would very quickly find out that it is the second result, where you get completely obliterated.

Which would mean that it's the player's own scaling which is too fast.

If you think I'm wrong, do the control test run.

[unreal flame]

I don’t think you’re wrong, of course it would be hard

I’m just still hung up on the whole “painkiller made you one shot the boss”

[thorny parcel]

Curious that's what you're hung up on, because at no point was that said.

Painkiller ruins the control test. Simple.

[unreal flame]

ok then ill go blossom enthusiast tao? or atomic bomb dog? or anything else that i press a button and things die?

i dont even think painkiller is that good late game, elemental maestro is the mammoth carry

the buffs for it were way too good

[thorny parcel]

Go ahead. Those are both fair.

Just remember not to pick up any ascensions, scrolls, or non-starter weapons/blessings, as stated in the initial control test restrictions.

[fickle cipher]

will fox be the strongest in such a situation?

[thorny parcel]

Have fun using an Atomic Bomb with no Double Explosions, Double Exhilaration, Explosion Enhancement or Grenade Master.

[thorny parcel]

She'd actually probably be one of the worse heroes, because her ascensions give her a lot of power. Particularly her Spiritual Flame ones.

[fickle cipher]

oh yeah thats true

maybe panda? but iron wing falls off few stages in due to not having power from acensions

[thorny parcel]

She might work with Pair of Us, if only because you get an unkillable bodyblocker that does everything for you.

Might have to exclude Pair of Us too, because Iron Wing death immunity also scales with enemies in a similar way that Painkiller does.

[unreal flame]

whats the purpose of duplicate scrolls appearing in boundless

[thorny parcel]

Most likely to stop you from getting all the scrolls by stage 30.

[clear ledge]

if you couldnt get duplicates the game would spontaneously combust upon opening a chest at some point, but yeah, having all scrolls early on would probably be a little too much

[thorny parcel]

Actually it wouldn't, you'd just be left with only Curiosity Box, Effective Split and Break the Ice, since you can never have those scrolls in your inventory.

[clear ledge]

not to mention scrapping scrolls for the bonus stacks (if thats in boundless? Im not actually sure)

[clear ledge]

oh yeah, guess the game had a contingency built in from the start

[thorny parcel]

Those scrolls weren't always there.

In fact, the chests didn't even have a proper contingency in place for a while either.

It used to be if a chest selected a rarity and you had them all, it would offer nothing.

Even if there were still other scrolls in other rarities.

[clear ledge]

well ofc

[unreal flame]

took a sec to look at discord and noticed my dual edge is 4444 surely this is good luck

[fickle cipher]

Anyone went far in endless without using rabbit?

[gusty mountain]

Someone has with monkey.

[scenic sun]

any general tips for spiritual assault? I'm starting to like it but the enemy scaling seems pretty crazy after the second set of elites, I haven't had a single run yet where I've felt like I was doing reasonable damage by the end

[unreal flame]

People use cat to go far too

[fickle cipher]

thanks everyone gonna try build theorising with the other characters for endless

[fickle cipher]

get the spirit concantencator thing that lets you apply all elements when you reload

then get the first weapon with -40% reload speed or wheel saw

then slowly build to what you wanted to build for your character

[ruby hedge]

Chromatic Magazine and Chrono magazine, Skill Damage and Weapon Damage Spirit Jade, then throw rest based off your play style.

If playing Li dump Chrono, but keep Chromatic on any

Also assuming you play Nona always get the evolution skill for Iron Wing as one of the two spiritual goblets.

It's from my experience her best goblet for spirit assault

[unreal flame]

is there a guide in this server anywhere on how to transfer save files to another PC? thanks

[proud needle]

#old-issues message

Save game location

Assuming your base steam install is the default C drive

NOT the library , Steam the software

[unreal flame]

this the same method id use to share my save to a friend?

[proud needle]

Yes

[unreal flame]

good looks

[proud needle]

Its just a save

Note this doesnt transfer any special account tied things

like some of the special frames, purely ingame progression available to the account

[unreal flame]

yea i figured as much

[snow abyss]

Is 15M the dmg cap for a hit? I can't get above it no matter how much I stack dmg

[unreal flame]

miasma

[snow abyss]

What?

[unreal flame]

miasma is how you pass the damage cap

[frank nebula]

I just get 16m dmg per hit

27 critx is insane

[snow abyss]

Can anyone explain to my smooth brain why Tao is considered so good? I get that she is strong and has a good ability kit and ascensions but what makes her better than other characters? For example, Li has a lot of double dipping in her dmg scaling even without scrolls and doesn't have to dealt with cooldowns, those are the main reasons I find for her to be S tier

Tbh I see more potential in the Owl (if the primary skill wasn't so inconsistent) and the monkey than her but I'm also far from an experienced player here

[snow abyss]

Congrats dude

[thorny parcel]

Tao is considered so good exclusively in Boundless/Endless. It's because she has the most scaling potential of pretty much anyone, and with the damage cap existing, she has the highest RoF for both weapons and skills of anyone, letting her hit the damage cap more than anyone else.

[ocean cobalt]

Outside of Endless, Ammo Extractor and Warlike Blade ascensions are so good. Ammo Extractor you only need to have at level 1 to never reload again, which keeps your large magazine filled for the First Strike spiritual blessing that you definitely have, and if you get a +.2 projectiles per kill line on a weapon, that's money. Her passive movement speed buff on kill is great, and so is the Blade Aura spiritual link. Blossom Enthusiast lets you get value from the skill damage boosts that you've collected incidentally without needing to manually cast Swords Out nor Fatal Blossom.

[frank nebula]

It just me or she is weak in mobile

Is something difference in mobile that make her weak ?

[thorny parcel]

She has great scaling, but a poor start.

So unless you make it far enough, you'll think she sucks.

[frank nebula]

I already go to final map but she still

Lack of dmg

Dunno why

[thorny parcel]

Said scaling also requires you to synergize well.

[frank nebula]

Anyway

Don't know what dev just update to the game

But now i see some enemies out of the map and i can't go to next arena because of it

Some weapons too

[unreal flame]

Bunny is good bc of sword enthusiast

[rocky wraith]

So i have just done secondary owl with a wheel saw

and i may be in love with that weapon now

I also had like every speed boost you can get

So fast id make turtle jealous

[frank nebula]

Anyone play on mobile now ?

[fickle cipher]

Is ice blade good for endless

[proven sage]

it helps to deal with non-boss/elites auite well

[fickle cipher]

Thanks gonna try it

[bleak pagoda]

Merry Christmas, and happy new year Gunfire reborn community

🎄

[wanton swallow]

What’s the highest round on boundless so far?

[proven sage]

couple of thousands

[deep cipher]

yes

[ocean cobalt]

My brain felt like goop after 400 rounds.

[cinder lintel]

what is the best build for Turtle? Reincarnation 9

[teal minnow]

Finally beaten both bosses in endless journey

[slow tiger]

Man getting out of nightmare is TOUGH for me

[thorny parcel]

It's the hardest difficulty in the game, so understandable.

[ruby hedge]

Nightmare is the hardest difficulty

[slow tiger]

How is nightmare harder than reincarnations?

[thorny parcel]

Reincarnation offers massive buffs.

[ruby hedge]

Enhanced scrolls, better red chests, spiritual blessings, etc

[thorny parcel]

Picking the right ones will tear through most, if not all, enemies.

[slow tiger]

how am I gonna get to reincarnation 1 then ;;

[proud needle]

beat nightmare

[ruby hedge]

Just takes patience and practice, that or using Nona to cheese it with self rez

[slow tiger]

tried to cheese through everything with miasma but either I wasn't proccing it good enough or I was getting like, two shot

tried doing it with cat and turtle

I beat the first 2 difficulties with bird

[thorny parcel]

Oh, and since this is the channel for all platforms, I'll add an exception.

Reincarnation actually is the hardest difficulty on consoles.

[slow tiger]

what's the difference on console?

[thorny parcel]

Console hasn't been updated since its release.

So it hasn't received the mountains of buffs and extras that players can abuse.

[proud needle]

about 2 years of updates missing in total

[slow tiger]

does that mean the dlc characters aren't on console too?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[slow tiger]

That's awful

[thorny parcel]

Can't abuse them either, because most of them are OP.

[last vine]

does armed caster work while using tidal apsis?

[ruby hedge]

The weapon still counts as being in your hand even if you're not using it to attack with the shield up from what I experienced. It also seems to affect your movement speed to a degree. At least that seems to apply for mobile and pc, not sure about console.

IE heavy weapons do slow you a bit and melee weapons make you slightly faster

[last vine]

does this just mean you get an extra bit of stacks from the movement speed bonus

cloud weaver + tidal apsis is wieerd

[thorny parcel]

Pretty much, though you do also get slightly stronger slam attacks.

[cloud rain]

#1145862164951879750 message

Anyone interested in trying out the world's first second person run?

[ruby hedge]

That seems... not fun? Based off the description there

Would be hard to tell what scrolls you got too

[cloud rain]

Let's try it...

[earnest hemlock]

what is the funnest perks for first time bizzare Dream run

like the things you can toggle before a run

or do i not do anything and do it stock game

[ruby hedge]

I just turn everything on

interdependent fortunes can make things harder or easier, depending on what you give enemies

[last vine]

qian sui gameplay

[winged viper]

Hello, I'm kind of scratching my head over this but I'm playing Monkey and trying to get a good soul strike build going in r9 boundless dream and I'm trying to make good use of the "Want Them All" blessing with a sniper and a shotgun but I'm definitely understanding this wrong. If I want the crugel to hit an extra amount of times in one hit, I have to have a shotgun in my hand right? The blessing allows me to use that effect if the shotgun is in my secondhand, but I don't get that bonus, so I think I'm misunderstanding how it interacts. Could someone help me?

[thorny parcel]

The bonus you get from shotguns is +25% projectiles.

You don't cause a sniper to fire a shotgun's worth of projectiles.

If you want a shotgun's worth of projectiles, you hold a shotgun.

Then the shotgun gets the 40% crit chance and +60% total crit damage.

[winged viper]

I think I get it hmmmm, so because it's only 25%, if I held a sniper, it'd be 1.25 projectile? And it would still just be 1 projectile? But if my sniper had like 1.75 projectile and I held it with a shotgun in my backpack, it'd count as 2 projectiles right?

[proven sage]

1.25 means 25% chance to fire 2

[winged viper]

Ohhhhhh, that makes a lot of sense! Thank you!

[fickle cipher]

first loop of endless and its desert, fjord and jokul

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-thousand-yard-stare-stare-tiktok-wtf-gif-12206044702998985154

[storm pine]

All 10 characters finished without firing a single shot 🙂

[fickle cipher]

Which one was the hardest

[scenic sun]

most likely not nona

[fickle cipher]

True…

[cloud rain]

HOW

[slim estuary]

alrighty

scalpel still op?

[royal plinth]

anyone know the best buidl with this catty ?

[final ore]

painkiller and occult booster

wait is ob 90?

hn

[mild maple]

bro that was 5 days ago man

[final ore]

i do not care

[final ore]

use, not abuse

[thorny parcel]

It's abuse.

Otherwise the game would be able to compensate for it in a fair manner.

It doesn't.

You don't use Painkiller to make a run easier. You abuse Painkiller because it removes 95% of a run's threats.

[final ore]

id call that 40%

[thorny parcel]

Only thing it doesn't remove the threat of is elites and bosses, which is a significantly smaller portion of every enemy you face.

So... 95%.

[final ore]

even with painkiller, tomb and fjord are fucking hellish

[quartz current]

Fusion combos go brrrr

[frank nebula]

what enchan better for sniper build lei luo ?

[candid cobalt]

What are good synergy options for the storm chaser weapon?

[gusty mountain]

Cat nades with painkiller pretty much denies everything.

[thorny parcel]

Out of those options, the extra 30% DMG against enemies with 80+% total HP.

Or the +30% Shield recovery and shield recharge on crit, if you're feeling a bit vulnerable.

[slow tiger]

good news! me and my friend ran monkey cat duo and beat nightmare

I can finally start reincarnation 1

[quartz current]

I like that duo. Fun characters.

[frank nebula]

Thanks mate

[proud fable]

I assume you play nona with painkiller

1. What the fuck why would you do that
2. What the fuck why would you do that
3. What the fuck why would you do that nona has so many busted builds and painkiller is not one of them
4. What the fuck why would you do that

[frank nebula]

Gonna try melee lei luo

[proud fable]

I think theres a guide for that

[frank nebula]

After master the sniper one

Still get crush in last map

[proud fable]

godspeed homie

[frank nebula]

Look fun

[scenic sun]

for style points

[frank nebula]

The strike wing sometime is good sometime no

[proud fable]

Guys I sold my kidneys but its ok cuz I got this cute dress

[scenic sun]

dont mess with the nona players, we have dozens of brain cells combined

can I see the dress?

[frank nebula]

Damn i think i will go outside and touch some glass

[limpid pollen]

my brain is about to explode

[fickle cipher]

Bruh horsehead in R9 is so tedious to fight

Its not even challenging just a time waster

[frank nebula]

Damn my accurate is good

[thorny parcel]

One of the few meaningful enhancements enemies got from that.

[frank nebula]

Damn i swear

My dmg per hit is higher than 10m

Lucky shot hit have long asf number

[young goblet]

it's this but the healthbar just chunks down 1/3rd at a time

[fickle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

this is better than injectors holy shit

nvm i dont have the blue projectile inscription its over

[storm pine]

Patience.

[final ore]

i play nona thunderstorm/firedragon painkiller

cry about it

i also play melee nona

[proud fable]

I'm just saying. Don't bitch about painkiller being hard earlygame if you have a character painkiller has ONE SYNERGY WITH

Or is it no synergies with

Idk

[final ore]

well, strike mode can do elemental

[proud fable]

That is the one synergy

[final ore]

i aint bitching about nothing im just sayinf early game is hard unless you have a build thats broken from the start or have overconsumption

[proud fable]

Or if you use a character that fully benefits from painkiller

like cat

[final ore]

duo fjord fucking sucks unless you get lucky with scrolls

i mean yeah cat is just straifhr up broken with painkiller

[proud fable]

Thats just gfr in general

Painkiller is pretty much only good on characters with reliable elemental output

Like cat or fox

[final ore]

the only reason i play nona is bc funny mech

STAND BY FOR TITANFALL

[proud fable]

Trying to make it work with other characters like nona or dog will be extremely hard because it's not what they're made for

[final ore]

not extremely hard its just hard to roll the right weapons at the start

if you have a thunderstorm or a +100% elemental fire dragon youll have crackhead damage and elemental proc on any char

[proud fable]

even with painkiller, tomb and fjord are fucking hellish

[final ore]

yes, tomb is fucking hellish unless you get very lucky with a good weapon AND a good asc fusion roll

oh whoops, asc fusion roll for fjord

[proud fable]

Dude wtf

Game is hard unless you get good rng

Yeah no shit thats gfr

[final ore]

that is not what i meant

but whatever

[proud fable]

Idk you keep saying stuff like that

"honestly i dont feel the squishiness if i get spirit feline + sanguinic relic"

[storm pine]

Lol no.

The first part of painkiller, maybe. The second one is awesome on any character.

[proud fable]

Ok you're right. A lot of builds are broken from the get-go

However a lot of builds, such as thunder and glory, need some good rng to get going

[proud fable]

And whats the second part again?

[storm pine]

Plus you get free manipulation with any elemntal weapon that spreads elemntal damage

[storm pine]

It converts any negative effects to positive.

[proud fable]

Ah yeah, but you need to apply elemental first

Hisami was saying how the first acts are tough unless you get god rng

because they play nona

[storm pine]

what?

[proud fable]

That's the context here

[storm pine]

Literally get overconsumption, hide behing mech with two of us.

[proud fable]

Yes, but thats my point

why play elemental nona when you can play with iron wing instead

Nona has one elemental synergy, and it doesnt have a good elemental effect output

[storm pine]

Ah, thats what you meant XD

[proud fable]

Ye lmao

[storm pine]

Yeah if you just want to win, cant go wrong with either endless assault/overconsumption AND pair of us

Im long past that, i need dumb challnges to have fun

[proud fable]

Thats fine

[storm pine]

Nona was the easiest of all the 10 on my zero shots run, by a long margin

I think if someone would hold a gun to my head and tell me to win a run, i would go nona 10 times outta 10.

[proud fable]

Same here

Granted I did those before R9 dropped

But still

¯_(ツ)_/¯

however, nona isn't easy if you try to play her using a build she's not meant for

like... elemental, or melee

[storm pine]

I think two of us makes any build kinda easy

I actually have a elemntal nona right now in boundless XD

[proud fable]

I dont think they were taking pair of us though

[proud fable]

When did you take painkiller?

[storm pine]

Well, they dont want an easy game

[proud fable]

then dont play gfr, and they were also talking about how earlygame is "fucking hellish"

Thats not how I would talk about a challenge I'm putting myself through, knowing theres better options

[storm pine]

Occult booster first, pair of us ACT 1, scrolls master ACT2, Painkiller ACT3, replaced scrolls master with Field profiency in ACT4

[proud fable]

Yeah you took it act 3

they're talking abt taking it act 1

and running with elements from there

[storm pine]

I mean monkey without picking up any guns, that was hell, but i didnt complained about it since it was my own challnge XD

[proud fable]

yeah exactly

My owl primary build was awful

So was my cat primary

And my bird secondary

they all sucked

I wasn't in here like. Holy shit this is HELL

[storm pine]

Not representing nothing, just a fun clip XD

[proud fable]

I wanna try spores so bad but I hate guns in gfr and I also don't know enough about spore mechanics to toy with em

[storm pine]

There are no spores

XD

[proud fable]

Oh shit alr

[storm pine]

But spores are easy

[proud fable]

I know their basics

[storm pine]

Take the first rainbow and the first argus you fing

[proud fable]

Yeah I know that

[storm pine]

+5 etch, reroll, done

[proud fable]

Yea yea

I'm talking more technical shit, like damage caps, when to switch to porcupine, idk

I feel like I'm missing some knowledge to run spores

maybe I have to actually run them to find it though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[storm pine]

Easy, never switch to porcupine.

[proud fable]

Ah. Combustion'll do it

[proud fable]

No but you should because eventually you'll hit damage cap

And porcupine has more projectiles, meaning more dps

[storm pine]

AH, thats what you mean

[proud fable]

Idk I'm kinda making stuff up but at the same time I just think I'm missing something for spore runs

[storm pine]

I find them boring anyways

[proud fable]

thats fair

Activehenry you've been typing for like 5 minutes

are we about to get essayed

[proud needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-the-essay-hilarious-haha-gif-3565665

[storm pine]

I made double frenzied shark work for dog, that was my most fun build XD

Two +1 projectile, +0.2 projectile on kill, and lucky shot on kill frenzied sharks with enhanced lucky bullet

My PC runs unreal engine 5 effertlessly, but there i dipped sub 30 sometimes.

[proud fable]

I did too but it was on R1

I tried on R8 once but my rng was shitti

then I got perfect RNG on R1 and cried

Dude henry is still going I'm scared

[cloud rain]

Yesterday, I tried the first ever second-person run attempt in multiplayer, but sadly the camera player wasn't able to save the video from their perspective...

In a second-person run, the player(s) will only look through the perspective of the player sharing the screen, in which the player sharing their screen will serve as the camera for the player(s), which means that they will be seeing themselves through the perspective of the camera-player doing the following. The only times that the player(s) can look at their screen is when they are opening a chest, choosing their ascensions, or when a Vault room is cleared, for the player(s) to collect their spoils.

Here's what I found so far:
The turtle is the best option for the camera/screen sharing player, since the turtle can tank hits in order for the players to keep seeing themselves via the screen sharing player.
The Rainbow is a good weapon for players when obtained, since it can automatically help players hit enemies through this weird second-person perspective, plus it can show an arc pointing to the enemies that they are shooting at.
Defensive occult scrolls can be a big help to the player(s) looking through the perspective of the screen-sharing player, since that helps them tank hits and live more longer.
The cat is a good option, since he can throw grenades and throw a sphere that can stop enemies in time and do damage, which can help the player(s) re-orient their character and position them for aiming.

[proud fable]

Oh dear that sounds like a bad time

[storm pine]

I mean.

Yes.

[cloud rain]

In a second-person run, the screen-sharing player is the camera-person that the other player(s) are seeing from, so the camera-person will have to help guide their players, and stop moving to help the other player(s) navigate through this weird, second-person perspective.

[final ore]

its true

[final ore]

because elements just fuck and i do not care

also i do not like overconsumption

[proud fable]

Yes but dont play them on nona then talk about how hard it is

[proud fable]

Yes but thats true for everyone

[final ore]

i am not complaining about difficulty

[proud fable]

even with painkiller, tomb and fjord are fucking hellish

Even if you aren't complaining, this is still an unnecessary comment

especially because it critiques the most important part of the game

[final ore]

90% of shit said on the internet isnt necessary

i dont see people complaining though

besides, i like difficulty