All Platforms

[proud needle]

it is a plus but not as much as you think

And

In case you didnt know or never payed attention to it

The buffs are not on all enemies

[old mantle]

oh okay yeah i see the icon on top of their heads but i guess i never noticed when some dont have it

[proud needle]

So some enemies take only 60% skill dmg then

[old mantle]

constant threat should be helpful against their dmg resist

[old mantle]

omg enhanced mid air strike is SO BUSTED

[old mantle]

which hero is best to use for endless journey?

[pine trout]

in my experience, dog, explosives build

[polar sigil]

Wait brick isn't even a real brick

Thats just some weirdly shaped clay

[old mantle]

isnt that what bricks are made of lol

[ruby hedge]

I'm pretty sure most bricks are made of clay, but some are made of concrete or various types of stone

[old mantle]

whats the trick to killing the horseheads, im doing the dog explosion build and im in loop act 2 and they just lost me like 90 seconds lol

[ruby hedge]

Get close, they lift their shield to attack you, aim for head with a crit weapon, or just generally hit them with explosions

Or do something that is true damage based, like miasma, bleed damage from bloody drill, or damage from the poisonous ghost skill

[old mantle]

im at sand snake boss with 5:30 left on the clock, i thought it was a 10 minute timer per act

was able to pick up 20 seconds from the boss atleast

[ruby hedge]

You get some amount of time back per level you clear, but it's usually less than you used

You need good RNG with damage increasing scrolls

[old mantle]

yeah i havent gotten dual edge yet :/

dual blade i mean

[ruby hedge]

Dual Edge is the scroll

[old mantle]

oh okay i was right haha

[ruby hedge]

Furthest I got in any run was with a mix of enhanced dual edge and extravagant consumption

[old mantle]

i had the option to get it in the interdependent fortunes i shoulda taken it

[ruby hedge]

It's always worth taking through that cuz it actually nerfs enemies instead of buffing them

the enemies drop more money

[old mantle]

yeah thats how i got the one extravagant consumption that im currently using

do dog bombs crit?

[ruby hedge]

They do not

I think only the monkey's primary skill can crit, and /technically/ Lei Luo's and the dog's primary skills cuz they're tied to the weapons

[old mantle]

ive got atomic bomb, endless assault, and skill freak, but i have one dog army available, should i swap it out?

oh and overconsumption but that one is stuck unfortunately

[ruby hedge]

Really depends on the scrolls you got, but that seems like a good combo as is

[old mantle]

i thought there was somehting that made each subsequent bomb do a %more damage than the previous one

[thorny parcel]

I'd swap it out for Copycat, Occult Booster or Armed Caster.

[thorny parcel]

That's Atomic Bomb.

It's why it's so goddamn OP.

Not only do you throw all your grenades without consuming uses, but every hit causes the next hit to do even more damage.

[ruby hedge]

That's the one my friend uses to rapidly defeat bosses

Atomic Dog

[old mantle]

ah okay i guess ive been using it since the beginning then lmao i just didnt read it fully

im not doing enough damage to beat the tanky elites in loop act 4 D:

[polar sigil]

is there like a trick to kill the elite spearman (i think, longing tomb spinny guy)?

it feels like he takes years to kill in duo coop and also is basically unescapabale if you get cought in the spin

[thorny parcel]

Corrosive attacks greatly help.

[ruby hedge]

Poisonous ghost takes him out fairly fast, but you may not always have one available

My friend said I was a maniac for swapping to one mid fight while playing Lei Luo, but I wound up defeating him and we kept up with the timer lol

[polar sigil]

i dont think i wanna get in melee range with homie

he does one slam attack and im gone

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, that's pretty much why he said I was maniac for doing it

I'm playing squishy sniper character who wants to stay at a range, and I meleed a melee enemy

I didn't get hit once

[polar sigil]

sword lei lou is great

[ruby hedge]

Lei Luo is bad with swords though xD

But it worked out

[polar sigil]

its the gunfire equivalent of "fuck it we ball"

[ruby hedge]

To be fair Lei Luo's speed DOES help with dodging

he has a higher base speed

swords also give you a speed boost

[polar sigil]

i never realise how big the difference is until i pick cat

[ruby hedge]

just... don't get hit, cuz he is also not as tanky as characters like the melee bird

[polar sigil]

throw cards at man like a reasonable person 👍

if only owl wasnt so mid before getting some stuff

[ruby hedge]

I always keep a sword in my extra inventory slots just for the sake of situations like that

as long as that one modifier is activated

[polar sigil]

swords really arent viable for most characters

monkey, turtle, fox, bird and maybe dog

tho turtle wont be using weapons much, fox only firetower

[ruby hedge]

I use the lightning sword on Li cuz mind control triggers fairly often with its natural 50% lightning chance and her 100% fire chance if you get hit

[polar sigil]

poison ghost on li

[gusty mountain]

Huh, swords are viable for most characters.

[ruby hedge]

Poisonous ghost is an all around good weapon

[polar sigil]

getting into melee range feels like abad choice 7/10 times

[ruby hedge]

It's risk/reward, but yeah, some characters are better at it than others

[polar sigil]

and its more that most characters have better choices

[ruby hedge]

Lei Luo is always better off with crit weapons

[polar sigil]

i can see it on some, i wont play owl with swords

[ruby hedge]

Swords don't crit, except I think the secondary fire of the fire tower

[proven sage]

Counter violence and its all weapons

[polar sigil]

poisounous alt fire iirc?

[ruby hedge]

OH, actually good point

I'm not sure if that crits though?

[polar sigil]

my bad then

[ruby hedge]

It is a ranged attack but...

I think instead it does % damage

[polar sigil]

revealer gaming probably

[ruby hedge]

it does a certain percentage of their hp like miasma

[polar sigil]

revealer is so nice

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, Lei Luo is good with revealer and snipers, but you still want the sniper for his primary skill

cuz the big hit

[gusty mountain]

Only if you don't know what you're doing.

[polar sigil]

personally mostly play multihit sniper builds cause i enjoy the double caliber (i think its called) a lot

[ruby hedge]

My favorite sniper weapon will always be bloody drill cuz bleed damage is satisfying to inflict on enemies for me

[gusty mountain]

You basically just want high base damage for his primary, it doesn't have to be a sniper.

[polar sigil]

it strong and looks cool, just dont like the sound of it

[ruby hedge]

True, it just has to hit hard with a single hit

[polar sigil]

wouldnt revealer dragonbreath works fine on lei loud probaby?

get the funny 50% crit chance thingy

[ruby hedge]

Dragon breath can't crit though

Or... can it?

[polar sigil]

nope

launcher

[ruby hedge]

Aah, yeah, then it might not work AS well, but it could still work well if you have another way to make it crit. A lot of stuff is on crit triggers for Lei Luo. Revealer is great because it is rapid crits.

But it has the down side of not being big hits

[polar sigil]

foundry gaming

[proud needle]

Dragons Breath has no crit (normally) and rof and reload speed dont affect it

It is static as can be

well

technically reload does something

but it doesnt make it faster

it just gives more room in the reload mini game

bug doesnt make the bar move forward

[ruby hedge]

I weirdly like to use the thunder storm on Lei Luo, but only cuz I do a weird thing with one of his talents Bolt From The Blue

[polar sigil]

dragons breath still feels to much like a precision railgun to me

[proud needle]

well

[polar sigil]

btw is the revealer buff only for revealer?

[proud needle]

it has a massive AOE

ope

Nope

enemies get a debuff

so you can crit with others then

[polar sigil]

so it works in coop/on skills?

[proud needle]

havent tested coop

[ruby hedge]

Only the shot fired DURING fatal current ends it, so what I do instead is I fire a single shot from thunder storm above a group of enemies heads, activate his primary and then bolt from the blue calls down a bunch of thunder bolts

[proud needle]

but other weapons do get crits then

[ruby hedge]

Then swap to a sniper, and do the big hit

[proud needle]

yup that works on lei

[ruby hedge]

err thunder blast?

Whatever the launcher is the fires out a bunch of arcs

that one works well, and REALLY well if you get that one exclusive that makes it not blow up on impact with enemies

OH, yeah it is thudner storm

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Thunder_Storm

One of my favorites on Lei Luo, but only if I get that talent. Otherwise it's kind of meh.

[polar sigil]

so sad its no longer a pistol

its cool tho

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, but it was the secondary fire (which is now the primary) that I used on Lei Luo anyways

So didn't hurt me, besides taking away the armor breaking as the default

err shield breaking

[polar sigil]

used it for element share miasma on monkey with essence chain build

whats your favorize lei lou starting perk?

[ruby hedge]

the lightning one, just cuz I like to build around his lightning, and use crits and weapons to trigger thunder bolts and lightning bolts

High-Powered Arc

[polar sigil]

i love 50% on enhanced

[ruby hedge]

A close second is the thunder bolt on crit with 100% elemental affect chance one

Lightning Messenger

[polar sigil]

oh blessings

[ruby hedge]

OH, you meant his gift!

[polar sigil]

i was talking about the starting option thingy

yeah

[ruby hedge]

I tend to pick the lightning is free during primary skill (which is only useful early game, but is quickly phased out once you get a crit triggers lightning build going)

Just cuz it's essentially a free version of endless assault

[polar sigil]

yeah im a great enjoyer of 50% lucky shot chance on enhanced enemy

or more damage on max hp

[ruby hedge]

The thunder bolt when lightning only hits one is really good for fighting single tanky enemies

[polar sigil]

if im play one shot

otherwise the defensive stuff is great

[ruby hedge]

I love how customizable Lei Luo is lol

He is tied for my favorite with Li

[polar sigil]

i just think the lucky shot is the best tbh cuz of how Lucky shot and crits stack with eich other

[polar sigil]

lei lou third most played hero

still most of the time with monkey owl

[turbid bolt]

just checking
is it just me or does arsenal feel a bit of a let down

[ruby hedge]

It looks like Lei Luo is the second most played, after The Prince

If you're referring to over all players

[polar sigil]

for me

[ruby hedge]

Aah

[turbid bolt]

if i can only take the weapon out earliest halfway through 3rd scene, in quite a few cases I already have the weapon i need on hand

[polar sigil]

extra slots tho

[turbid bolt]

but other than that the utility of it seems almost non-existent

[ruby hedge]

Lei Luo / Li (about equal) > Nona > Zi Xiao, as my most played

[turbid bolt]

I need some Zi Xiao pointers 😆

I quite like an astroforecast build but I can never get far enough to build it to functional levels

[ruby hedge]

Build around his cards, not his primary?

[turbid bolt]

yeah i try to

[ruby hedge]

That's how I do it

I don't like building around his primary

[turbid bolt]

but usually i feel like the damage doesn't hold up to some of the other characters I like to play which are tao, li and nona

at least, that's at scene 1 and 2 cuz i can never get far enough with him

[ruby hedge]

Perfect Deck is an important one my friend uses, he makes the cards trigger elemental effects

He always tries to max that one first

I've managed to do a fair bit of damage with it, but I do feel like I play him less as a result of him doing less damage comparatively than the other 3 I play

[turbid bolt]

basically regardless of whether you're using primary, secondary or weapon builds the main thing is to try and get his scrolls to be at higher and higher tiers right?

[ruby hedge]

I tend to ignore it for the most part and instead just try to get a bunch of curses (cuz they trigger legendary effects for cards/astroforecasts as if they were legendaries)

wild cards trigger all the same effects, so they're a good way to build him

[turbid bolt]

i see

[ruby hedge]

even better if you can become immune to curses through evil banishment talisman

[turbid bolt]

i'll keep that in mind the next time i try to play him

[ruby hedge]

so just hang onto that and curse yourself as much as possible

but even without it

still worth grabbing curses cuz the bonuses you get

[turbid bolt]

okay

gotta work on it

[polar sigil]

honestly owl just need some time to actually ramp up

he is imo one of if no the best hero later on

[ruby hedge]

I usually just choose endless assault with him 90% of the time cuz it's really useful early game just for maxing his card training

[polar sigil]

but at the start he is worse off sadly

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, Zi Xiao has a rough start, but builds up and can out damage others

[maiden tapir]

I mean preferably owl is played in a group where he can just "leech" the early game

Hes mainly built for mid-endish areas

[turbid bolt]

I guess I'm not that used to that cuz the other 3 that I like to play tend to scale pretty evenly as the game goes on lol

[maiden tapir]

But there he can dps carry really well

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, same with the other 3 I play, but that's why I tend to play them more

Zi Xiao is a weird edge case with his scaling being slow

[polar sigil]

honestly owl is best played coop imo

even more if you build cursed scrolls

get the funny curse scroll share one and you are golden

[ruby hedge]

^ Curse builds on him are great

He is the only character that naturally benefits from curses cuz the way his skills work lol

Others need outside things to make curses beneficial, like various scroll combos

[polar sigil]

dog works well with the self damage one

[ruby hedge]

That one also works really well with the 100% crit for 3 seconds after taking damage scroll, if you manage to get that one curse in combination with it

Miss intentionally, get crit, shoot enemies, repeat

[polar sigil]

bloodbath link aka get 2 hp on taking damage iirc

[old mantle]

which hero has the potential for the highest reachable dps output?

damage is cut off at like 10 million right?

[polar sigil]

probably all of them with enough misma

[proven sage]

Tao

[old mantle]

what does she need in order outperform the others? i could only get half way through first loop with dog lol

[proven sage]

https://i.imgur.com/0Dh3iYl.png

as much cooldown as possible

[fickle cipher]

picked up penetration bullet from act 2 and paranormality from act 3 interdependent fortunes then i forgot to save at the bonfire

[turbid bolt]

okay so, I just tried this on an endless run
I can definitely see that the damage output really starts to ramp up once you get enough cursed (and later on, legendary) scrolls that basically every deck becomes wild/legendary
but it's not as fun as the other 3 i like to play imo cuz I really gotta leech off the team for quite a bit at the start 😅

[pine trout]

I had a decent run with lei luo on endless but I feel like a good run depends on scrolls a lot
enhanced coin shot is ridiculous, for example

[old mantle]

what rarity is evil banishing talisman scroll

is this not a win win for the player?

[pine trout]

I think the enemy gets a lowered chance to suffer elemental effects from any source, including the player

[old mantle]

perhaps this is a translation error or something?

the enemy effects are always written from the perspective of the enemy im pretty sure

[ruby hedge]

They have a lower chance to receive elemental affects which is really bad for painkiller/elemental builds

But only from weapons- still seems skill isn't affected from my experience?

[old mantle]

think theyll ever fix the description?

[thorny parcel]

Not unless someone points it out to them.

Well, they might regardless.

[old mantle]

i took it anyway cuz i dont think my build relies on elemental that much, just doing the ice blade bunny build

[granite raft]

any specific weps/scrolls/skills to look for on cat?

and gemini,inscriptions

[ruby hedge]

Besides it having an element I don't think he has a specific weapon preference. My friend likes to use him with SMGs and the use the thing that causes grenades to trigger when firing his weapon though.

Basically elemental SMGs

Not sure about scrolls, just build whatever boosts his damage and surviability generally

[polar sigil]

elemntal smgs, skill damage and elemntal scrolls

gemini wise elemental share without painkiller, crit x share if you get painkiller (atleast for me, really depends on the gun)

buff the grenades into oblivion

eletricity weapon is great without pain killer for miasma.

[granite raft]

okok thanks

[polar sigil]

i cannot stress enoughhow broken painkiller on cat is

i had entire runs with only the grenade thanks to it

[granite raft]

what about ele gauntlets

?

[polar sigil]

work fine

i mean at the end of the day pretty much anything elemental related works on cat

i personally also like revealer as soon as i get the max corrosive ascension

(i think corro was the smoke on crit one)

[ruby hedge]

injectors also work

Well, most do, the gaunlets got an element and decent range

[polar sigil]

oh never max the one that gives you shiekds on nade throw i think it was

sincr it gives status immunity at max

same for element shards

no enthusist or painkiller gaming otherwise

iirc

[thorny parcel]

Elemental Shield is worse than the shards.

[polar sigil]

yeah

[thorny parcel]

The shards merely block the negative effect (also blocking the positive effect with Painkiller).

[polar sigil]

ES gives full immunity

[thorny parcel]

Elemental Shield prevents the effect entirely, making the enthusiasts useless too.

[polar sigil]

level 2 is great

level 3 is awful

[turbid bolt]

I've never played cat but as a li main i love it when cat players flood the screen with grenades

[ruby hedge]

I played the cat long enough to get the achievements for him, but he never really stood out to me as especially fun

I don't dislike playing him, just not my preferred character

[polar sigil]

homie is just too damn slow for me

[turbid bolt]

same for me
I think my main gripe about it was that it felt like it revolved around stunlocking and grenading enemies
but I admire the people who can really play cat well cuz in multiplayer that helps tremendously

[polar sigil]

everyone wants a cat in coop but noone wants to play cat in coop

[pine trout]

is there a way to solve horseheads in rein9?

you know, to stop making me wince when I see thjem

because they slow the game to a crawl

[thorny parcel]

Use something that hits above or behind them.

[pine trout]

well, explosives then
more mortar

[ruby hedge]

Also my experience has been "piercing" weapons go right past the shields too

EX: Hell, Piercing Flame

But explosives are even easier to use

[quartz current]

You can also give them a kiss for half a second and dash backwards to bait the shield slam. Opens them up for attack.

[pine trout]

yeah, just takes a while when you get the "everything becomes a horsehead" event

depending on the map it can get ridiculous

[winged vine]

Ever since last update I'm getting low frame rate quite frequently. Is this a known issue or has anyone else experienced this?

[rancid pine]

I think we did pretty well in today's game for the ping we had

[pine trout]

man, I just cannot get a melee run going, ever

850 hours and melee is always a bad idea, you always just stumble upon some instant death

[winged vine]

Yeah it's tough ay. Best luck I've had are on bird and cat. No other characters seem to have benefits or anything in their kit that seems to help. Painkiller cat can do quite well, along with his ascention that increases your next weapon but after primary skill and spread damage in aoe. Try with fire tower on cat, definitely the best melee build.

And take painkiller and counter violence at start of run.

[pine trout]

this time with monke I did pretty well until stage 3, at which point a funny pyro lamp decided 90% DR is just a number

I loved going around being a weeb with a katana with afterimages everywhere, but well, gameplay mechanics beat my fantasy

[fringe marten]

is there a place i can submit crash logs to was playing with friends tonight and the game kept crashing never had this issue before looked in the game files and i think i found crash logs that where mad each time it crashed.

[final ore]

spirit feline + heavy shield + lightless shield + san relic

can melee pole monarfh with that

also get counterviolence, overconsumption and whatever other blessing tho battle scarred or painkiller is good

spirit feline gonna save your ass so much

i run nona melee

its about either maxing defense or maxing speed

if you want speed, just go strategic advantage + triple propulsion and/or adv joggers + resolute + flesh n bones

[final ore]

oh yeah flesh and bones is important for this

resolute is good with it since shield is always at 0

[mossy sleet]

When speedrun-mood kicks in, my Reincarn 3 time better than Reincarn 1 time , what?

[final ore]

it all depends on da speed scrolls

also you skipped tons of vaults i think

only 4 elites killed

[mossy sleet]

yea, I purposely skip vaults so I can try get sub-30 on every reincarn

for fun

[final ore]

why?

its more fun to go in like a god

and beat pole monarch with a fire stick to death

[mossy sleet]

i was scared to die at last stage

[final ore]

the better defense scrolls you have, the less chance of that happening

youre basically good to go with the defense or speed build i mentioned above

or a part of it

[mossy sleet]

i see

[final ore]

spirit feline and san relic help a ton, just uhh

avoid arsonists, monks and penguins like the plague

or kill them fast enough

[mossy sleet]

why's spirit feline and san relic helpful

[final ore]

sanguine relic lets you heal from hitting stuff

spirit feline doesnt let damage take more than 14% (or 11% enhanced) of your health

amazing for burst attacks and bad sustained fire

that one scroll that regens health and flesh n bones also help since they let you regen passivelt lol

[mossy sleet]

so with those scrolls/builds i'm basically immortal

[final ore]

ah, shrine of recovery

thats it

[final ore]

just avoid penguins and yea

i meleed pole monarch to death with it

on elite, but applies on reinc too

ESPECIALLY on reinc where you get some hella good buffs

[mossy sleet]

i love taking scrolls that increase skills/weapon damage and movement speed

I pretty much went berserk while murdering enemies

[final ore]

duuude

try melee :3

its actually v solid in resurrection

[mossy sleet]

I use sunder most of the time

:p

[final ore]

overconsumption + counterviolence make melee VERY fuckin good

also melee boosts speed

oh yeah counterviolence is also op asfk on thunderstorm

bonkers damage

[mossy sleet]

owo oohh, I just got counterviolence

attempting reincarn 4

[final ore]

counterviolence is very good for melee and launchers

otherwise dont bother

[mossy sleet]

yea the movement speed is immediately op

[final ore]

flesh n bones + resolute is horribly funny

@mossy sleet this is even stupider on reincarnation https://youtu.be/Eny_ESkNNSo

[mossy sleet]

wow

[final ore]

on reincarnation its basically to the level of one-twoshotting most stuff if you build for iy

with OC and CV melee fucks

and some speed and defense scrolls

[final ore]

am gonna make melee madness 2 because holy hell is it stupid in reincarnation

[mossy sleet]

After stage 1, I currently have this build for Owl tho, my goal is build defence and Card Build

and I"m still using sunder

[maiden tapir]

I mean in most speedrun attempts your trying to get maximum power regardless skipping doesnt change a lot if you get necessary traits/scrolls from the main path

I never did official speedrunning rather for my own amusement/to see how fast i can go and iirc my fastest was 10:14 on R8

Was somewhere around 10 minutes never managed to get past the 10 min border unfortunately xD

[final ore]

what about r9

im gonna try running too. would be funny

[maiden tapir]

R9 without looping is easier then R8

[final ore]

is it?

[maiden tapir]

I mean the day r9 came out i felt like that the update was a joke

Releasing a difficulty thats easier then the previous

[final ore]

in what way is it easier

[maiden tapir]

But again its with the intention that R9 is looped

[final ore]

it has endless and horsehead shields are uhh

stronger iirc

[maiden tapir]

In R8 enemies scale way faster

I remember solo runs with 1b+ damage in R8 even managed to get 2b solo once

In r9 no loop its almost always 400-500m

[final ore]

ah

[maiden tapir]

So generally id say the scaling of R8 is rougher but R9 grants enemies new effects

Such as duplication of grenades more bombers etc

[final ore]

but isnt the damage cap 10m

[maiden tapir]

I mean total damage and technically yes but also no

[final ore]

oh, total

[maiden tapir]

The damage cap isnt something i fully understand yet its well possible to do way more then 10m

It just shows you 10m ingame

[final ore]

with elemental, sure

but im p sure one hit can only do 10m

[maiden tapir]

Like i said didnt invest in that dunno how it works

[final ore]

funky

anyway idk i just go Mad With Melee

and holy hell is it fun in reincarantion

[maiden tapir]

Its kinda funny that i dmed the devs back then in early days about an idea to add swords now they are here but i never use them xD

Dunno they just dont really feel like the right thing for me

[final ore]

theyre fun

but they reallt need buffs in pre reincarnation

in reincarnation they FUCK

but before that god theyre ass

[maiden tapir]

I mean its probably their dps limitation that Turns me off for the most part

Either swing every second once or twice or get a gun that probably does more damage in one bullet and can fire like 10-15 a sec xD

[final ore]

angelic aura sfx

but yea theyre quite weak once you cap out

[sweet spade]

just double checking, any crossplatform from pc to ps5

[thorny parcel]

None.

[ocean cobalt]

One of Revealer's exclusive inscriptions reads "More times the enemies' Weakspot got hit, the stronger the Weakspot effect." Anyone know what that actually means? Does the critical damage multiplier on the enemy increase with further hits or something?

[ruby hedge]

The more times you hit the actual weak spot (usually the head) the more times it'll multiply the guaranteed crit effect.

IE: It'll do more damage if you hit the actual weakspot instead of just using the scope for the guaranteed crits

[ocean cobalt]

Neat. Is it known how much the critical multiplier goes up on each critical hit?

[ruby hedge]

one of the few exceptions (weak spot is the orb in their chest)

[ruby hedge]

The specific amount I do not know, but I know it goes up

Is the Abyssal Serpent a hydra? Does it make clones of itself? We never get to see its full body

[mild maple]

what does the "normal ammo" scroll do?

i couldnt wrap my head around what it did

[thorny parcel]

When firing normal ammo weapons, it also consumes ammo from your large and special ammo reserves to get a bonus for the shot.

[mild maple]

it does that for every type and their respective scroll?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

Reserve ammo consumed is up to how much was consumed in the shot, modified by the % number.

So consuming 8 normal ammo will also consume up to 8 large and 8 special ammo, providing a suitably large bonus equivalent.

[mild maple]

so without ammo regen its bad?

[thorny parcel]

Only bad if you're using 2 different ammo types in combat.

If you've just got the same type of ammo being used, you get to use the other types which would otherwise do nothing.

[mild maple]

so its good practice to use weapons that share a type if youre trying to build around that?

fuckin hell i cant type today

[thorny parcel]

Many high-tier builds just use a single weapon to fire. By default it's got no downside in those cases.

[mild maple]

is there a tier list or every weapon is good?

can be good*

[thorny parcel]

Any tier list would be heavily subjective, based on circumstances the player has.

That any many people who would make said tier lists would have personal preferences anyway.

That being said, some weapons are more consistently bad or good, regardless.

[mild maple]

alr thank you

[ruby oasis]

Talisman is always bad

Just saying

[ruby hedge]

I don't like the fillintype ammo scrolls myself due to the fact that I regularly swap between two ammo types.

[mild maple]

the doodoo yellow paper?

[ruby oasis]

Yes

[thorny parcel]

That's the one.

[ruby hedge]

I usually only stick with it if I end up with it through effective split

[ruby oasis]

The doo doo yellow paper

[ruby hedge]

Talisman is pretty nice due to it having options for every element and having slight homing

But I prefer it on certain characters over others

[thorny parcel]

Some other weapons often regarded as junk include Glimmering, Frenzied Shark and Laser Gloves.

[ruby hedge]

I see armor? I swap to corrosion, I see shields? I swap to electric

[ruby oasis]

If it did a modicum of damage I would consider picking it up in act 1 over the frenzied shark

[ruby hedge]

It's not my favorite weapon, but I will still use talisman

[mild maple]

the only reason i picked up the gloves so i could duel wield and look cool

[thorny parcel]

Talisman's main flaw is that it spreads itself out across too many gimmicks, weakening its core stats to compensate.

Can home in on crits? Kinda sucks because the CritX is low.

Can swap elements? Kinda sucks because the elemental effect chance is low.

[mild maple]

but theyre caca

[ruby hedge]

Bloody drill, hell, thunder storm, and revealer are my favorites

[mild maple]

revealer my beloved

i also love the penetration scroll

i reveal enemies and penetrate them

[ruby hedge]

thunder storm got nerfed? yes, but I still used its secondary way more than its primary so I don't mind the change

[mild maple]

ok not like that

[ruby hedge]

the secondary is just now the primary (but the "special effect" of shield breaking normal enemies is now an exclusive)

[mild maple]

the one that makes you deal 50% crit directly to health

[ruby hedge]

Oh, yeah that one is really nice!

One of my favorite scrolls

[thorny parcel]

That definitely wasn't a nerf.

[ruby hedge]

My friend calls it a nerf cuz he only liked the shield breaking part

[thorny parcel]

Fair enough.

[mild maple]

how do people use the bird dude or the monkey?

[ruby hedge]

I liked the lightning arcs from it

[thorny parcel]

But in today's gameplay, you don't really need to destroy enemy shields anymore.

You just... destroy them outright.

[mild maple]

rougelike warframe

start weak, end by hitting the integer limit

[thorny parcel]

People probably would hit the integer limit, if it wasn't for the damage cap.

[mild maple]

theres a cap?

[ruby hedge]

There is

[mild maple]

bruh no fun

[ruby hedge]

My friend hit it before

[thorny parcel]

10,000,000. Certain modifiers bypass it.

[ruby hedge]

I have never actually hit the limit myself but got close

[mild maple]

do you really need that much damage or is it for the screenshot?

[ruby hedge]

Also I have no clue how but he was using the foundry while doing that damage

[thorny parcel]

Besides the endless mode, you absolutely do not need that much damage.

[mild maple]

oh shit theres endless?

[thorny parcel]

"Endless" is a generous word for the casual player.

[ruby hedge]

endless mode? Yeah, but if you are like me you are probably gonna be disappointed there is a timer and a goblet cap

[thorny parcel]

Speedrunners it's legit endless.

[mild maple]

oh so wish.com endless

[ruby hedge]

I don't manage to actually get past level 12-13 each time I do it though, I'm too much of a casual player

[mild maple]

whats the player max level

[thorny parcel]

Endless is a thing that many, many people wanted, but the game absolutely could not support with any seriousness.

So the devs did the next "best" thing and heavily restricted it, which ended up satisfying no one.

[ruby hedge]

I see people go to 1000+ levels

[mild maple]

i meant for the upgrades

[thorny parcel]

Reaching that requires all DLCs though.

[mild maple]

i just wanted to fully upgrade my general talents

[ruby hedge]

I actually had a sort of similar question. What is the max level you can get to in spirit assault? It feels like each time I do that I end up a slightly different level

Since I have no way of knowing if I collected all the xp

[thorny parcel]

Theoretically infinite.

Your level in SA is based on experience collected. Enemies drop experience. Enemies respawn limitlessly as long as you can keep killing them fast enough.

[mild maple]

and WHY is the ELITE SPEARMAN SO ANNOYING

[thorny parcel]

So realistically, the max level for SA is whatever the level is when you kill every single enemy instantly. This obviously isn't possible legitimately.

[mild maple]

bayblade bastard

[ruby hedge]

Elite Spearman is the most annoying enemy in the first zone, I agree

Easiest elite I think is the Elite Beetle

[mild maple]

and when he spins HE GOES FASTER

[ruby hedge]

Elite Beetle is very easy to dodge

[celest tundra]

Can experience gems in SA disappear?

[thorny parcel]

As far as I know, no.

[mild maple]

is the numbers in your name the max dmg you did?

[celest tundra]

áh, das good

[thorny parcel]

No, it's the launch codes for a nuclear silo.

[ruby hedge]

I thought it was a phone number for another country or something lol

[celest tundra]

casually opens area 51 console

[ruby hedge]

I never thought to ask about the number

[mild maple]

can you send one my way

i didnt have lunch yet

[ruby hedge]

??

[celest tundra]

Nuclear bombs are yummy

[mild maple]

oh yeah i forgot to ask, how much do you have?

anything less than a pound isnt really a meal

[ruby hedge]

I know, it's Uranium, already toxic, but... Funny thing about that is, eating 10k calories in one day is enough to kill most people too.

[mild maple]

does the dormant bullet scroll effect single shot weapons or weapons that fire the whole mag in 1 click

[ruby hedge]

It does not, cuz it's always above that amount

[mild maple]

bows?

single shot as in 1 bullet in mag max

the deafening mortar?

i like that weapon

[ruby hedge]

If it only has one bullet dormant bullet never activates unless you gemini it to have more than 1 bullet

[mild maple]

oh alr

[ruby hedge]

It needs a minimum of 2 bullets

Then basically goes normal damage, and then 150% damage with second shot (cuz it is at 50% ammo)

4 bullets means you can have the 4th bullet do the max damage the scroll will give with that last shot

[final ore]

bulking

😋

[mild maple]

any tips for passing elite difficulty

[polar sigil]

dont die

uhhh abuse the living hell out of monkey and tiger

[final ore]

pray to a god for lukc and uhh

shoot things

[mild maple]

is the dog good?

[ruby oasis]

Yes

[quartz current]

Reincarnation: Yes, with a blessing bandage

Pre reincarnation: Also yes

Just has some flaws such as bad HP regen at the start and most of his kit pressuring him to want to be in Dual Wield as often as possible.

[urban tusk]

I have a supremely dumb question

are Decay and Corrosion different

By which I mean, does something doing Corrosion damage cause Decay as it's elemental effect, or is Decay actually just completely separate?

[gusty mountain]

Decay is the debuff

The effect that reduces move speed.

[urban tusk]

Right. Does corrosion damage apply decay?

[gusty mountain]

It depends on the effect chance. It doesn't always apply decay on every hit.

[urban tusk]

Figured. I was just confused because I've seen "does corrosion damage" stated without "applies decay" (e.g. on whatshisbutt's smoke grenades

I didn't know if like, all corrosion damage had a chance to apply, or only some

[gusty mountain]

Smoke grenades are 100% chance.

[urban tusk]

(and for that sake, I didn't realize that the debuff caused by the smoke grenades was not different than decay)

Isn't the english language such fun?

[gusty mountain]

Well, enemies do get the decay debuff icon when hit by his nades. Other than that I don't think the game tells you anywhere else.

[urban tusk]

Is there a scroll somewhere in the game that increases jump height or something? I don't think this jump is actually possible, from the about 70 times I've tried it now

[gusty mountain]

You have to dash and jump near the ledge at the same time.

[urban tusk]

I did, and I usually reach the platform but it seems like there's an invisible wall or something

[gusty mountain]

I mean like, you have to dash and then jump a bit afterwards.

Otherwise it's hard to make it with low movespeed.

[urban tusk]

oh you have to wavedash

[proud needle]

Works with jump and dash afterthat as well

just dont hold a weapon other than foundry or one of the swords

as they slow you down

And if you have no movement speed bonuses you really need to jump at the end of the diagonal and dash at the highest point

[urban tusk]

ah back to the CSGO days of "hold your knife to run faster"

[scenic sun]

That weapon has the same movement speed as the foundry though, no?

+20%

[proud needle]

Yes but many new people dont know it at all

Foundry , Rainbow, Sunder ,Aura of Venom , Talisman , Thunderstorm , Scorching Rounds , Glimmering and Arc Light

A different thing is also the Chainsaw with its movement boost but its a bit harder to trigger that for the parkour for the average player

[urban tusk]

would be easier to know if it were clearly printed "-x% movement speed"

[scenic sun]

they would find a way to screw up the translation and make things worse

[urban tusk]

ngl not the first confusing wording I've seen in this game

that's a fun word soup

[proud needle]

just read it slowly

When shooting

[urban tusk]

Oh no I know how it works

[celest tundra]

"DMG Ewsistance"

[proud needle]

you have a 100%-( 3.5% times projectiles of weapon) chance to deal dmg twice but with -50% total dmg of shots fired

Its long but its the exact effect

[urban tusk]

yeah OK that is a final boss it turns out

[last vine]

spiritual assault win, i took a sunder from the start and rerolled inscription once and put everything i had into upgrading it

[obsidian coyote]

Is it common to enter a room an just get on shored by the mobs? Lately it is happening a lot to me in the desert stage when they are already spawned

One shored

Oneshoted

Playing on elite and nightmare btw

[ruby hedge]

It's not unheard of and more common with certain enemies, but typically that's why you need to prioritize snipers. They give you a warning with a red beam before doing a very big heavy hit.

[celest tundra]

imo, the Retainers with their homing bullets are deadlier.

[ruby hedge]

I usually fall to to regular snipers or the elite arsonists if it happens in the desert area

I tend to die more often in the first area due to spinny elites than even those though

[obsidian coyote]

another question...in the second phase of the ship boss (when the head is exposed) the fire balls it shoots arent marked on the ground right?

[last vine]

is the turtle even able to damage gluttony?

with punch

[ruby hedge]

They are they just come down faster and more sporadically

[ruby hedge]

Yes

Get right against him and punch

The punch has a bit of a shockwave/slight aoe that reaches him

[obsidian coyote]

i think the only enemy you can't reach in melee range are the UFO's

[ruby hedge]

You can melee them in some situations but yeah most of the time they're gonna be out of range so it's always good to have at least 1 ranged weapon. Worst case scenario you always have foundry.

[last vine]

hexagon is basically what turtle does

[ruby hedge]

They used to have a quite powerful skill called Whitewater that reflected damage, but they replaced it with something called Backfire that is... similar? It does damage in response to being hit, but it isn't reflected damage anymore. It's based off skill damage instead.

It can technically be both more powerful and less situationally

But I liked having enemies kill themselves with their own damage being reflected

[mossy sleet]

sub 40 R6, with insane card build

[final ore]

old battle boots

CRINGE

[mossy sleet]

Ain’t no old shoes can affect my SICK MOVES!!

[final ore]

FALSE

YOU GOTTA HAVE THE J'S TO BE SCHMOOVIN

[mossy sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-bruh-moment-funny-gif-24202171

[wooden pivot]

I have a playthrough where every enemy has 1hp and 0 shield 😂😭😭 r9 endless

[young goblet]

interdependent fortunes flesh n bones + paranormality moment

[final ore]

moment

[obsidian coyote]

am i the only one who finds nightmare 10 times harder than reincarnation?

[thorny parcel]

Nope.

Some people consider Nightmare to be the hardest difficulty.

[ruby hedge]

It is

No blessing buffs and way less chances if any to get enhanced scrolls

[final ore]

you can't get enhanced scrolls

in nightmare

[ruby hedge]

I got one from a red chest before

Was that not intended?

[thorny parcel]

It was not intended.

[ruby hedge]

It was the red chest inside of the vault with the bolders

Huh...

So I just randomly encountered a glitched chest

I didn't even realize it was glitched at the time lol

[thorny parcel]

Don't think it's a glitch, more like an oversight.

[ruby hedge]

Wait, I might be able to screen shot this. It shows what scrolls I had during a run, right?

[thorny parcel]

Copy+paste code for all difficulties, forgetting to add specifications for Reincarnation only, or something.

[ruby hedge]

How far back does the challenge log go?

I onyl see one of my nightmare runs on the list, but I know I did that many times before to get the achievement for speedrunning it

I wound up with enhanced refresh addict and went "wow, what a rip off"

it was the "get a random enhanced scroll" one

cuz the only thing it does is make the spirit peddler do the extra refresh too

[plain panther]

[proud needle]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-gif-24544226

[final ore]

yes

[spring socket]

Wasnt there supposed to be an update soon

[proud needle]

Why wasnt ?

Late December

As far as I can see we just crossed half way December

[obsidian coyote]

is nightmare supposed to be a slog? I had like two very lucky wins that unlocked me reincarnation and reincarnation is incredibly more fun and enjoyable compared to nightmare...

in nightmare i either build a tank that cant die but takes like to 4h hours to kill things or build high damage and play CS:GO peeking around corners not to get oneshot across the map bursting them down and hoping i dont get shot

[final ore]

yeah

[obsidian coyote]

its a very weird difficulty

i seriously dont understand it

[final ore]

nightmare sucks

[obsidian coyote]

the thing is...i have everything unlocked and normal and elite are trivial

and most reincarnation runs are doable too

but nightmare seems out of place

[ruby hedge]

Nightmare is harder than Reincarnation 9

You get access to special scrolls and buffs on Reincarnation modes

Nightmare is the hardest it can be without giving special buffs and items to you

[final ore]

yeah

[final ore]

owl mains have it easy with the rng manipulation smh

[ruby hedge]

I mean that's the main appeal of the owl to me heh

But I still play Li and Lei Luo more than anyone else

[final ore]

aw man just lost an r9 run

i never get spirit feline :(

[obsidian coyote]

that sucks

[thorny parcel]

It seems out of place only because it's the hardest difficulty that the developers haven't been messing with.

Resulting in it being genuinely the hardest difficulty, because the devs do pretty much nothing but buff player stuff they change.

Reincarnation used to be harder than Nightmare difficulty, but the devs love changing stuff there. Now it's not.

[royal plinth]

just got a 12 billion damage run on endless

I have to admit though that this game mode feels too unfair though, it's not even that it's just difficult and I could overcome the difficulty, it's that I had a god run where I was cat with everything relating to elemental damage completely maxed out with Li's fire damage ascension too on top of all of mine and still managed to not be able to keep up. everything was far too tanky

I feel like the only way this would be possible is like, dual edge or something

[thorny parcel]

Game's not designed for endless. That's why.

[ivory ember]

why i feel like i get less reward in elite than in normal? once in normal i get 800 coins, now i reach the boat in elite and didnt reach 400

[ruby hedge]

I haven't noticed any coin differences between Elite and Normal myself

The scrolls/ascensions/copper all seem to drop the same on those. I believe there might be a lower drop for buns though?

[ivory ember]

elite is suppose to have 10% more drop chance if the wiki is correct

[ruby hedge]

Also the buns heal less from what my friend said, but I haven't checked to confirm that

Like each difficulty up lowers healing slightly

[left bronze]

Ok so 2 50% firerate enscription illusion or 3 projectile big hippo for blossom enthusiast build?

[thorny parcel]

Illusion.

Even if Illusion didn't have any RoF bonuses it wouldn't have been a competition.

[ruby hedge]

I can never get the hang of playing the bunny, but I often see insane dps from others who play her

[left bronze]

Even though bunny is by far my most used character I wouldn't say her damage output is nuts but its definitely great

But nothing beats that feeling of tons of firerate

[ruby hedge]

I think firing tons quick succession lightning on Lei Luo or just leaving a giant streak of fiery terrain left by a burning fox spirit that enemies ignite from and die from on Li is pretty satisfying to me lol

Most of the coolest looking stuff is character skills to me, but I still love certain weapons

Most of them are fairly slow weapons though

Bloody drill, hell, thunder storm

[ivory ember]

i only know to play with the bird if i got a good run to spam wings and oneshot everything x_x

[ruby hedge]

My friend uses his primary more than secondary to do tons of damage. Basically winds up one hitting everything with the kick.

[ivory ember]

idk how to spam kicks and still i think is way more slow, but gotta try it at some point
in my last run i get 3 dodges with armour recovery per dodge and primary recovery per secodnary use and 2 primary uses, but invest all the scrolls i can in wings instead kicks so i just use them for movement and damage boost

im unlocking some interesting scrolls in elite

x,x

[ruby hedge]

You need a specific skill of his

When kick defeats enemy reduce cooldown, or end it entirely with it maxed

[ivory ember]

my first elite completion, sadly idk why how the last boss oneshot me... everything was going well and i was pretty tanky and overpowered... but just oneshot... i didnt have the upgarde for prevents oneshot unlocked T_T ....so i had to waste 105 coins to end the run T_T'
idk how resurrection works but each time i ressurect seems to be expensive than before, is that right?
same that ps5 dosnt have the extra final boss or endless mode 😦

[ivory ember]

i see

[ruby hedge]

It's one of his goblets

[ivory ember]

every new upgarde is so expensive... i barely can upgarde 1 or 2 skills per run... if i can end the run xD... if i want to get more than 1 lvl per run i have to upgarde low lvl skills, wich are mostly upgarded already and some are way worst than final upgardes of the tree 😦

and guess than solo just make it harder and slower ú,ù

[ruby hedge]

Also, you play console, right? It says you're on playstation

I heard they are missing a lot of characters on that

[ivory ember]

yep 😦

4, both dlcs

[ruby hedge]

And weapons

From the dlcs

[ivory ember]

no even alternative boss in 4ºbiom

yes consoles were abandone like 2 years ago

[ruby hedge]

Ouch

Thought about trying the pc version?

Or even mobile

which is at least up to date more than the consoles

They got all the characters/weapons

[ivory ember]

not pc player 😦 and not starting again xP

[ruby hedge]

I still wonder why they abandoned console

[ivory ember]

the devolpers who works in console version refuse to continue working on the game, its not the same team who works for pc and for console

they should pay another team to work on it tho i guess

[ruby hedge]

I feel people would buy the dlc :P

[ivory ember]

but idk maybe consoles didnt sell well or whatever... idk why

[ruby hedge]

There is still money to make in console versions

[ivory ember]

yep is sad, the game is good and im liking it 😦

i like to platinum most games i play, but this have 2 coop trophys, and under 30 mins trophys wich i defently can handle if not in coop

idk even know how nightmare is posible in under30 min xD

i just complete my 1º elite run xD

gotta watch some speed runs in the discord to learn from pros 😛 ... but the 2 i watched use new chars that i dont have...

[ruby hedge]

Spirit Feline and good rng with damage scrolls, picking and choosing vaults that you can do fast/easy

I got it as Lei Luo

[ivory ember]

there is a LOT of stuff i dont have in consoles, at the begining of each stage they pick some kind of buffs too or whatever, i dont know what it is, also i saw a diferent merchant than i dont have in consoles... so yeah defently loosing a lot of stuff in consoles.... the only alternative mode we have is daily challenges xD

[ruby hedge]

I focused on his lightning rather than his weapon damage and got that scroll that makes money increase skill damage

Rich's Privileges

I'm honestly not sure if these exist on console, but I'm telling you what I do

[ruby hedge]

Phantom Peddler? Training Master?

[ivory ember]

yes they do, sadly i have lei lou at lvl 2 😦 ...

he wast the character wich i struggle most, i dont really get how it works xd

[ruby hedge]

Training Master is the guy with the geometric design

[ivory ember]

there is a scroll that unlocks killing 40 big red crabs with fire... and like 3 or 4 appear per run in 3º bioma... i have 4/40 xD ... there is a trophy for all scrolls...
also some are deefating bosses 3 times in elite... and rng just make alternative version of the bosses in elite... wich dosnt have scroll attached to them 😦 ... so platinum is not going to happen anyway

[ruby hedge]

I'm 90% sure he is only on pc

[ivory ember]

yeah that guy, consoles dosnt have it.
and some kind of mushroom in the rest room at begining of each bioma

[ruby hedge]

Oh, he is only on reincarnation modes

The Spiritual Remnant is apparently the name of the mushroom guy but I always just call him "mushroom guy" cuz his name is hard to remember

[ivory ember]

oh consoles have reincarnation mode 😮 i see. Yeah i didnt unlock it yet but a tooltip says that he appear

how reincarnation mode works? what does change?

[ruby hedge]

Higher difficulty, but you get special buffs (blessings) at the cost of soul essence

The buffs more than out pace the difficulty though, making it easier than nightmare

[ivory ember]

oh well.. im far from that so... i may need like 10k or more to get all upgardes still xDD

im lvl 108, idk wich level you end with all upgardes anc characters leveled

but only to max 1 char i need like 3 runs

[ruby hedge]

On console? No clue
On PC? 188, but that's with dlc characters included

[ivory ember]

i saw videos with everything unlocked and 11k souls essence xDD ... like how many hours do i need to reach that point T_T .... if i just can coop 😦 ...

eventually i will get bored of soloing...

[ruby hedge]

I have 25k soul essence

That's the cap

[ruby hedge]

I'd coop if you were on pc

You can actually use playstation controllers and xbox controllers on PC btw

You'd be starting over, but with a lot of new content

[ivory ember]

idk maybe eventually, but i have to many stuff to play rn 😦 tomorrow new patch for Astral Ascent, roguelite of the year for me ❤️

this year was stunning for gaming >,<

[obsidian coyote]

starting to hate serpent with a passion...how i am supposed to dodge the three heads with cat?

cat is too slow avoid the head just by walking

just lot a run to that stupid bullshit

lost

even the other attack sometimes the boss does two head attacks one after the other...in quick sucession how i am supposed to dodge with cat if i just used my dash

[quartz current]

Cat can dodge all attacks serpent has with neutral movement speed, just takes some finesse. I can see why it feels like you can't in the onslaught of attacks tho--everything happens fast. I tend to always strafe left and right during the fight which helps me dodge the first water bomb without using a dodge so I have it ready for bombs two and three if they're all shooting at me. The head charges are usually avoidable without a dash if you're strafing already.

[obsidian coyote]

i usually stay back

to give me more room but still feels inconsistent

had a rifle equipped

[quartz current]

Yeah the back part is fine but I hate the torches because I'll get stuck on those at times so I tend to play mid/back and go left and right the whole fight.

[obsidian coyote]

i think that doesnt give me speed penalty

[quartz current]

You'll notice when the serpent reveals the head charge indicator it spawns on your character, but if you're moving perpendicular always you'll already be moving out of the way to avoid the charge.

[obsidian coyote]

other heroes feel much stronger tho...

turtle can just shield, bird has leap iframes, dog just tanks it, bunny just spams sword to give me shield and has speed...

cat against mobs is solid

but against bosses sucks

[quartz current]

Cat is probably my favorite character overall at this point but I agree at first he felt weak or just there. But I can assure you he's consistent. Really strong overall once you know the game more, and his kit helps you learn the game more.

[unreal flame]

cat is incredibly strong vs anything in the game

[quartz current]

Have you tried an elemental build yet? Do you know about the elmental status and fusion effects? Cat shines with those.

[obsidian coyote]

i know...

but my biggest gripe is the move speed

i cant even strafe sniper bullets

[unreal flame]

u can mitigate that with scrolls

[obsidian coyote]

like other heroes

he just crawls around

i let them come to me spam greand and orb

and peek around the corner

thanks for the tips anyway

i kinda pissed cause i just lost a run to what felt like bs

[unreal flame]

bossing is all just attack patterning

[obsidian coyote]

im kinda

[unreal flame]

@obsidian coyote what do you usually build towards on cat?

[obsidian coyote]

it depends...i usually building around a strong and elements effects

strong grenade

[unreal flame]

are you playing in the reincarnations?

[obsidian coyote]

i have reincarnation unlocked actually im at reincarnation 3

i actually find reincarnation pretty easy so far...the hardest thing in the game right now is nightmare difficultty

normal and elite are almost trivial at this point

reincarnation feel fair because you can have spiritual blessings and enhanced stuff

the run i mentioned is nightmare difficulty

[royal plinth]

so

in the hall of fame I see that cancerously long game of endless

was it modified to be unlimited time so they could loop forever or is that legitimate

cause how do you go from 10 minutes to loop on endless to HOURS of time to loop

[gusty mountain]

It wouldn't be in there if it wasn't legit.

You gain time after clearing each stage.

It was in the patch notes.

[thorny parcel]

It's legitimate. Despite the timer, you can clear stages so fast that you gain time instead of spending it.

[keen thistle]

does anyone know what modifiers can pass dmg cap?

[royal plinth]

I see

is Tao the most efficient character to use in endless or is it just the dual edge

I was thinking of seeing how spiritual flame would do in endless

but trying to figure out a way to maximize the damage potential with infinitely scaling stats

like idk if critx has the potential to scale infinitely or not since it's been awhile since I last played

cause armed caster would immediately become insane in that case

[thorny parcel]

It's Tao, though Dual-Edge is also vital.

She's got the most powerful RoF ascension in the game and the skill with the most rapid hits that can also be used constantly without stopping her from firing.

Once you get far enough into endless the question isn't "how quickly can I hit the damage cap", it's "how often will I hit the damage cap".

[royal plinth]

so weapon damage>skill damage in this?

just because of the potential that weapon damage has to scale infinitely

just by upgrading it

[thorny parcel]

Because weapons fire faster than skills.

That's literally it.

[quartz current]

She can also spam her primary to a point where it's granting insane amounts of weapon damage and lucky shot

helps damage cap on smgs

[lime garnet]

this is aging amazingly

[final ore]

tank em and hit em with a stick is the peak strategy

but you can dash out mostly

[unreal flame]

is there a workaround yet to dealing with massive amounts of lag in endless multiplayer?

[final ore]

build for tank and pray that you dont get murdered by a penguin in 3 milliseconds

[unreal flame]

The issue isn’t dying, it’s the damage not sticking

[final ore]

damage to enemies?

well, uh, shit

[unreal flame]

Shooting an enemy and nothing happens for 5-10 seconds

[royal plinth]

yo so

is ice blade what I should grab first for tao

in my endless

[thorny parcel]

It's useless against elites and bosses.

[royal plinth]

damn

you right only

5k dmg

from it

that's really awful wtf

it should at least do like .5%

or something

maybe .25

[snow abyss]

Did the guy who was trying 1000 stages of endless succeed?

Where you at, champ?

(Idk their nick to @)

[ruby hedge]

Teaa is the name on here

For the 1000 stage endless guy

[snow abyss]

Did they record it?

[thorny parcel]

It's in the #hall-of-fame.

Not only did they succeed, they deliberately ended the run afterwards despite being able to continue.

[snow abyss]

Can't believe I missed the live

What a legend

[unreal flame]

blossom enthusiast

[royal plinth]

that's it

i go 10 thousand stage endless

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ruby hedge]

I'm not gonna be getting that far until the timer is gone and by then it'll just be a casual mode and won't be a special achievement

I wouldn't mind them keeping a challenge mode of course for people who do want bragging rights, but I'm still looking forward to when I can play that mode casually

[thorny parcel]

I doubt they will.

The tough gets nerfed, not split in two.

Reincarnation did, Reincarnation 8 did, Spiritual Assault did.

[unreal flame]

You joke but if this game had a ton of players and an active “comp” scene, people would 100% try and push the limits of themselves and the game

Like in zombies people getting to 10k+ rounds on shi no numa

[royal plinth]

I think the endless mode timer is just bs

I had had near perfect RNG runs

twice now

and fail to timer

you basically have to abuse very specific builds

like apparently the ROF Tao

[somber rover]

What's the difference between attack speed and rate of fire?

[thorny parcel]

Nothing.

[somber rover]

So Nona's extra attack speed after reloading == RoF?

[thorny parcel]

Which ability?

[somber rover]

Nimble Fingers

[ruby hedge]

Attack speed = Iron Wing hitting things faster

[thorny parcel]

Attack Speed = RoF

[ruby hedge]

There is a nona skill that says "increases rate of fire and attack speed for iron wing"

I'm assuming that's what is being referred to

Attack speed makes more sense wording wise since it can refer to both the missles in turret mode or the melee attacks in hulk smash mode (forgot the name of the modes)

[merry tinsel]

Anyone know if these would synergize together? Hard to say from the wording if it means both enemy scenarios would have their health set to 1 hp

[thorny parcel]

It would either do nothing (you hit Giant Slayer's cap very fast), or lower the damage to 1.

Either way, not worth considering.

[merry tinsel]

Oh does true damage not bypass shield?

I assumed based on other games

Consulted the wiki, you're right this is not a thing :P

[ruby hedge]

Giant Slayer being only up to 2000 damage is pretty weak late game lol

[merry tinsel]

Yeah i guess the only real synergy with this Enemy Effect would be like Penetration Bullet

Or at least OP synergy. Full lightning damage builds would still benefit decently

[proven sage]

it’s 2000 DMG at 15% proc rate even

about a 300 flat dmg to every weapon hit

[thorny parcel]

10% proc rate. The 15% is the amount it damages before it's capped.

200 flat damage every weapon hit.

[ruby hedge]

Why is this a "rare" scroll? Lol

Feels like it could easily fit into normal with no changes

[thorny parcel]

It's a "low difficulties" scroll.

Existing back when Elite was the highest difficulty, and possibly even just Normal difficulty.

Completely worthless on anything Reincarnation, and any buff it would receive would make it too powerful on lower difficulties.

With the exception of like... a difficulty-based cap.

[ruby hedge]

A difficulty based cap would make sense. Not too out of the question when you consider scrolls have been altered for game modes before, such as spirit assault mode.

I still want an endless assault mode. Just spirit assault, but... endless lol

Random events and all

No boss, just regular enemies/elites

[thorny parcel]

Now, the real problem with a difficulty-based cap would be that the balance change it causes would make total sense.

Devs, on the other hand, seem to change things at random.

[ruby hedge]

I think it would mainly depend how much they changed it if scaling for difficulty. It could literally just be a set % of enemies HP for reincarnation modes, with it always doing at least .01% hp when it triggers

Which still makes it useful, and basically just serves same function as miasma

[thorny parcel]

Multiplied by difficulty HP modifier would be enough.

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, there is still ways to make it actually useful

[thorny parcel]

Would do up to 34,200 damage cap on R7/8/9 in Hyperborean Jokul with Mysterious Jokul active.

Unfortunately they'd be just as likely to look at things that need a buff, then pick Elemental Weave and make it work on reloads as well as weapon swaps.

While completely ignoring Giant Slayer.

[ruby hedge]

Oh, like how brief respite works with reloads?

Still wish the reload thing worked with enhanced brief respite

[thorny parcel]

I mean they would be just as likely to buff something that doesn't need it, than to buff something that does.

[ruby hedge]

I've got situations where the non enhanced is better as a result, since longer reload times for some weapons

[proven sage]

they killed anything related to “swap build” long ago

[ruby hedge]

Brief Respite is still my favorite normal scroll

Enhanced version is basically an on demand shield, but you can't really attack during it

So I just use it while running to get to a position I prefer first then continue to attack

I just spam scroll wheel while running

[quartz current]

Devs will have to pry Elemental Weave/Fast Loader dog builds from my cold, dead hands

[merry tinsel]

Hey so I'm hoping to get the endless double bosses achievement. Is it true that I would technically only need to reach the beginning of the last act within 10 minutes? The timer only disables the ability to go to the next act right?

[ruby hedge]

Yeah

That's when I got it

[merry tinsel]

Whew, that's a relief

[ruby hedge]

I ran out of time 1 level before the boss

[unreal flame]

i dont think ive weapon swapped for any purpose other than im out of ammo in forever

brief respite insta recycle

[merry tinsel]

@ruby hedge cheers

[ruby hedge]

Oof, my favorite normal scroll lol

But everyone plays differently

[unreal flame]

yes

if you enter last stage and run out of time youll get to fight the boss still

endless ends after the next boss fight once you've ran out of time in whatever stage that was

[ruby hedge]

Isn't the achievement gonna be easier to get soon?

When they remove the timer

[unreal flame]

the achievement will probably be timer only

[merry tinsel]

Yeah the first few times i looped i thought i had to yolo as hard/fast as possible to get to the next loop in 10 min :P

And the reckless yolo got me killed a bunch

[ruby hedge]

I mean, will there still be a timer, but it won't be a hard lock if it times out?

I already got the achievement either way. Not hard to get every achievement in GR currently

[unreal flame]

im assuming theyll make it so you need to be in the timed endless to unlock the achievment

[merry tinsel]

Doesnt sound like it has any direct relation to the timer mechanic

[ruby hedge]

That's assuming they keep a timed version of it

[unreal flame]

it does if youre unable to reach hyperborean jokul in time

[ruby hedge]

Most people don't want timer since most players are casual

[unreal flame]

did you not see the tweet?

[merry tinsel]

oh are they planning to adjust it?

[unreal flame]

theyre looking at both options

[ruby hedge]

There was a loooot of casual players who all contacted them and asked for the timer removed (and some asked for the goblet limit removed, but not as many as the timer thing)

[unreal flame]

yea im sure there were, but you can have both a timed and untimed version lol

[ruby hedge]

I think having a dedicated timed version makes sense as it being a separate thing, and have it activate from the start

[unreal flame]

u just make it apart of the bizarre dreams

its very simple

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, I've suggested that before

That's a fairly common suggestion

(I would have it off though :P)

[unreal flame]

idc if they remove the timed mode for normal runs, but i would like the timer as a modifier

the timer adds another fun element for non-meta builds

[ruby hedge]

I wouldn't mind timer modifier existing, since that is an /optional/ thing

If they tied an achievement to it I'd probably end up doing it just long enough to get the achievement, then stop using that modifier if they did

Kinda like how I only played the bird/monkey/bunny long enough to get their achievements since I don't find them fun to play

[thorny parcel]

That's not implying they're looking at both options.

First half of the image is deciding between endless with a timer, or no timer but no endless.

Second half is deciding on endless with no timer.

[unreal flame]

im aware of what the image shows. im saying i highly doubt they would flat out remove the timer, hence why theyre "looking at both options"

[ruby hedge]

It kinda just seemed like the implication was no timer will exist for that anymore

But nothing else

There was no other mentions of timer beyond it not being tied to endless

[unreal flame]

endless loses its fun factor to me if the timer gets removed

because you either go til it takes 10 minutes to clear an area or run a build where you scale hard enough to go forever anyways

those are your two options with a non-timed mode

[ruby hedge]

It gains the fun factor for casual players while losing it for players that want the challenge, so you're always gonna end up hurting someone unless you give people options. Currently they're prioritizing what majority want first.

[unreal flame]

its the hardest mode in the game, with an additional mode afterwards meant to test the limits of your build

that is the entire purpose of endless

and the timer

[ruby hedge]

The reason I got excited for it initially was thinking it was a mode I'd be able to max my goblets and fight slowly more powerful enemies

Not for the extra challenge, but just seeing where my casual play build would fail

[thorny parcel]

They haven't taken the "keep the hard but add the easy" option in a while, keep in mind.

Pretty much every time they've had a choice to do something about something people don't like, they remove it.

Even if other people would enjoy keeping it.

[unreal flame]

the timer is the only fun part of endless imo would be a real bummer to remove it

[ruby hedge]

The timer thing is controversial and is a big split for different types of players

[unreal flame]

the casual players are struggling with the timer is what youre saying?

[ruby hedge]

Yes, they want to just be able to take their time and enjoy playing endlessly with whatever weapons being viable, even if they're slower

Basically like it's a sandbox

[unreal flame]

are these players aware that unless theyre running meta builds, theyll reach a point where it takes them a VERY long time to clear an area

which is way more unfun than running out of time

who wants to shoot one single elite enemy for 10+ minutes bc ur build sucks

[ruby hedge]

From what I've heard? "Just let me quit of my own accord when I get frustrated by it taking too long, don't time me out, that is the most BS way to lose" is said a lot.

[unreal flame]

lol that is kinda crazy

[ruby hedge]

So sounds like they ARE aware of it

[ruby hedge]

I mean it took me 15 minutes to kill one enemy, but I still wanted to keep going :P

But I was out of time

[unreal flame]

"let me quit on my own accord" roughly translates to "let me quit when my build stops one shotting things"

bcuz i know myself and the people i play with are not taking 15 minutes to kill an enemy

that is incredibly boring

[ruby hedge]

Different people play different ways and have different things that frustrate them

I play Noita too, and I sat there for 30 minutes killing one enemy with a tablet levitation glitch cuz I could

Even though it would have been faster to use a wand

Was one of the bosses

I'd do the same thing on GR

[unreal flame]

yea that sounds like one of the most boring things ive ever read

[ruby hedge]

use impractical ways to defeat things just for the heck of it

[unreal flame]

would rather just run out of time

u think a player that is casual is going to continue to like the novelty of killing things in 30+ minuntes? their gripe is already "game too hard timer makes it difficult"

[ruby hedge]

Some people just want to power fantasy and knock enemies around too. Those are the ones who wanna play on a lower difficulty.

I like RE9, but I also don't like the timer myself.

[unreal flame]

but ur just gonna reach a point where u cant do that unless ur running meta lol

[ruby hedge]

I still want strong enemies, I just want to be able to play however and not follow any meta

[unreal flame]

probably about around the same time your timer would run out anyhow