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[proven sage]

i like to put a Macro on E

[hot mason]

why are there no dedicated channels for the game

[royal anchor]

Wdym

[hot mason]

this is just a topic not a normal channel like #other-games or whatnot

i think theyre called channels correct me if im wrong

[hot mason]

why not just create a normal text channel for steam and playstation and whatnot

why keep em in here

[royal anchor]

Based lightmode

[lavish lily]

and web version btw xD

[harsh wagon]

god the revealer is so satisfying to use

[royal anchor]

And looks amazing

[harsh wagon]

think I've found a new favorite weapon

prolly won't use it for this run, but once I finally get the last achievement, it'll be the only thing I use lmao

speaking of always getting golem

[royal anchor]

Golem is so easy and fun

[hot mason]

first run went well

my greed overtook me

is this guy just salvador from bl2

[harsh wagon]

yes

[hot mason]

awesome

[harsh wagon]

this mf

k that wasn't so bad this time

thank you argus very cool

worm sucks on r9

[royal anchor]

Sucks in a good way, easy af

[harsh wagon]

finally

ok do I pair this with another high crit weapon or keep argus

[quartz current]

Based

[royal anchor]

Based but true

[quartz current]

I would imagine endless makes Copycat even better

[royal anchor]

It makes it worse for some reason, less enhanced enemies for some reason

[harsh wagon]

so uh, assuming there aren't enough enemies for the funny piercing flame to do it's thing, what other weapon should I bring

[royal anchor]

Nothing

Piercing flame does the thing

Works against everything and anything

[harsh wagon]

o

[royal anchor]

Even breaks bosses

Ill be on in 30min streaming in general how i break the game

[quartz current]

Cudgel has an ability that lets it hit the same enemy several times so I'd imagine the Piercing Flame exclusive works with that too

[royal anchor]

Sure does

I did pretty deep testing on it

[hot mason]

trying to build a 1 shot 1 kill build somewhat, which one is better

[royal anchor]

is that a troll question?????????????????????????????

[hot mason]

no

im just dumb

also i died so

bleh

[royal anchor]

glimmering is the worst weapon in the game.

[proven sage]

thats really cute

[harsh wagon]

went from desert to tomb and ran out of time, pain

the main skill cooldown screwed me a lot in this run

[hot mason]

how?

[royal anchor]

wdym how?

its just bad

really bad actually

[hot mason]

like any specific reason or

just bad

[royal anchor]

i mean try it out urself it does shit dmg

[hot mason]

not enough damage, hitbox is weird, attack speed is low, elemental doesnt work, whats the issue

btw is level 10 fine to start doign matchmaking

[hot mason]

i found it in another run and tested it

are you sure?

the damage is fine

[proud needle]

Compared to other weapons later on it drops of hard

And its exclusive inscriptions dont help that much either

[proven sage]

he is lvl 10-ish on normal, use whatever you like

[proud needle]

and that

Its just a side effect of it getting nerfed after release

Out of box rapid fire tiger cannon in knife format was too strong

[trim seal]

congrats

[indigo sage]

it was practically impossible to die with so many green ascensions plus scrolls like spirit feline and sanguine relic

[hot mason]

is matchmaking good

[spring socket]

No

[hot mason]

why

[hot mason]

????

[spring socket]

Bc thegame dowsnt have a huge player base

Any game that doesnt gave huge player base has bad match making plus connection is P2P not S2P

[proud needle]

Actually no

Completely off the mark there

Matchmaking takes so long because the pool of people using it is not enough

Its more solo and premades than matchmaking

[spring socket]

Thats what i said

Theres not enough players?

[proud needle]

You said player base , that’s different from people using matchmaking

[spring socket]

Its both

Small player base and not a lot play copp

[indigo sage]

another problem is that there's no drop-in option like in many other games

once a game has started, there's no way to join. you can only join lobbies

[lavish lily]

True, I like to join LoL, Dota, CS mid someone game...

[indigo sage]

those are all trash games anyway so they dont count

[rain galleon]

Is illusion good for all difficulties?

[indigo sage]

i beat rein 9 + loop with an illusion and rainbow, so, do whatever you want with that info

[rain galleon]

But can you do it with every weapon in the game

[indigo sage]

you asked if illusion is good for all difficulties

i'm commenting on that

the short answer is yes

[rain galleon]

Just curious every one is viable now

[indigo sage]

id love to see a frenzied shark rein 9 on loop

anyone can ping me if they do

some weapons are just a lot easier to get something good going with even with fairly simple inscriptions

illusion is one of them. another favorite is scalpel

but weapons like frenzied shark, tiger cannon, bone dragon etc. just need more

[thorny parcel]

The slowish projectile speed and random-feeling bounces alone would probably shoot it dead in the water.

[indigo sage]

my main gripe with it is that its damage is just incredibly piss poor

[rain galleon]

I need tips I can only barely do nightmare on dog with 2 illusions

[trim seal]

yeah, nightmare is challenging

[rain galleon]

I wanna make it to r9 too

[indigo sage]

just familiarize yourself with the characters, heroes, scrolls, ascensions, etc.

it all just boils down to understanding what makes your character thrive

and have a bit of luck as well

[thorny parcel]

Alternatively, pick Nona.

[rain galleon]

Vault always worth it?

[gusty mountain]

No

[indigo sage]

jumping vaults are always worth it though

after a while it's virtually impossible to fuck those up

[rain galleon]

Kk

[deep cipher]

Yeh..

[upper terrace]

this was entertaining

all aboard the carry bus with tao + jet octopus

got dual edge super late, but the early membership + consumption carried me

[tiny barn]

im doing a run with only snipers (on crown prince & reincarnation 1) since I never use them and want to diversify. I have somehow made a build where I one-shot golem, and dragon qian, and regularly get tripple crits and occasionally a quadrupal crit, this is crazy

[thorny parcel]

Sounds like your average Reincarnation to me.

[tiny barn]

and now I swapped to a double calbier, and its critx is 7.9 (with gemini inscript)

[trim seal]

thats a rookie number critx :P

[tiny barn]

lmfao I feel like the white death rn

also the abysal serpent fight took all of 4 seconds

[tiny barn]

HOOOO BOY, I JUST GOT GLAZED SIGHT AND NOW ITS 10.9x CRIT

also this build has insane elemental damage for some reason, my nades inflict every effect and kill stuff almost immediately

[thorny parcel]

Rookie numbers are death to enemies.

[thorny parcel]

Inflicting every elemental effect is from the Painkiller blessing, which does it when you inflict an elemental effect. Smoke Grenade's elemental effect chance is 100%.

[young grail]

Dog's Overloading doesn't work with dragon breath ?

[proven sage]

it has no normal reload sadly

[winged vine]

Monkey sniper is epic. Get an enhanced critx brick, Gemini crit share with an enhanced bow with critx inscription. Glazed sight and some other scrolls, counter violence. Highest critx I ever got was 24.7 and I've never orgasmed harder.

[proven sage]

owl spam Primary for +50x

[tiny barn]

didnt have painkiller or any elemental spiritual blessings lol

[royal anchor]

So long????

[grim moss]

Dog probably needs a buff if you ask me...

[young grail]

how to do imprinting ? i can't find it in menu or even ingame at Transcendent Arsenal (or i am blind)

[obsidian thistle]

over +30 Hell Cudget this early is so much fun

[fleet goblet]

what offhand y'all using for the piercing flame monkey shenanigans?

[proven sage]

Launcher

[proud needle]

AoE Bonus with the Blessing

[tiny barn]

I’m being bullied and I want to speak to my lawyer

[royal anchor]

lmao

how did you time it, when it popped out the water or when the cutscene ended

if its after cutscene its a great time tbh(even if not its still good)

[tiny barn]

I timed it from right after I skipped the cutscene (I basically killed it right before the head bash retracted)

[tiny barn]

Thx :3

[royal anchor]

any "1 cycle kill" is good

[deft onyx]

yo guys, i started playing this game like a week ago, its fun and was actually challenging, took me at least 10 tries to clear nightmare, however as soon as i unlocked reincarnation the game just became too easy, Spiritual Blessings lets me stomp through the game, i just blasted through reincarnation 1 and 2 with Lei Luo, and had 0 difficulty, does it get harder even with op blessings and scrolls? or should i just play without spirit blessing?

[lime garnet]

reincarnation doesnt really get harder
only real way to get challenge is to limit yourself

[deft onyx]

yea, did a quick search and found out im not the only one who thinks its too easy, idk how the devs are here but i hope they listen to the community and find a way to make the game harder instead of just bumping up stats

[thorny parcel]

Congrats, you beat the hardest part of the game.

Now all that's left is the facade of difficulty as every run you can become a god, if you so wish.

[thorny parcel]

They don't listen, at least on this front.

They will however listen to people saying stuff is too weak and buff it, making the problem of the game being too easy even worse.

[deft onyx]

sad

[thorny parcel]

Yep.

[deft onyx]

time to install roboquest and see if its better

[thorny parcel]

Been a continuous cycle for 2 years, and given we received an update that lets people literally crash the game from going too far and people still find stuff too weak, it's not stopping...

[deft onyx]

ye not gonna lie i was about to actually buy the game because i really liked it but guess i changed my mind

ill try roboquest and buy it if its good

[trim seal]

did we have a so called golden age at some point?

feel like if we did, it was pre reincarnation

[thorny parcel]

Not sure about golden age, but it was probably pre-reincarnation yeah.

Though slightly after 1.0 was pretty good. The only super unbalanced thing in the game at the time was Atomic Bomb.

[trim seal]

the good times

[thorny parcel]

Plus no constant buffs everywhere, no DLC heroes, no Bizarre Dream for making things even easier...

Reincarnation 7 was the hardest difficulty, and it was actually hard, for the people who wanted a challenge.

While Reincarnation 1 still let people have fun with new things, because even back then it was easier than Nightmare.

[trim seal]

rn, without self imposed challenges r1 is easier than elite

[lavish lily]

Go for Roboquest, it's an amazing game for 2 or 3 runs

[royal anchor]

i had a bit more fun with robo quest than 2-3 runs but definitely not a game i'd play more than 100hrs

[lavish lily]

Idk, if we set RoR to 10 and Returnal to 0, Roboquest will be ... like 5

3 points for music

[trim seal]

id put spelunky at 10, but to each their own

[royal anchor]

gameplay is aight, kinda bland

[royal anchor]

spelunky gets a rage/10 for me lol

[trim seal]

agree, ive been rube goldbered one too many times

[lavish lily]

Well, I was talking about 3D, it’s hard to compare with Isaac

[royal anchor]

i guess

still this game does have a great dev team, good consistent updates

just poor balance

[karmic bronze]

for the PC and mobile side of it at least. console has seen no real updates at all

[gusty mountain]

The devs don't run console.

That's all 505 games.

[karmic bronze]

yeah they havent done anything . im not saying the devs arent doing anything.

[runic wigeon]

I gotta stop fighting elite spearmen

The scroll is so tempting though

[harsh wagon]

man I wish I could see what else did damage to me before the final hit too

cause no way a 60 dmg hit just 1 shot me

[gusty mountain]

I don't know if dmg taken is calculated in that info box, but if not it can explain why it one shot you.

Also enemy buffs.

[trim seal]

it can explain if damage dealt is more than your total hp

however, since its elite monk, its a good chance he sucked you to death

[harsh wagon]

is it possible for Tao to make endless...well endless?

that is my goal here

every run so far has been a bust in that department

[trim seal]

possible until satge 180

[harsh wagon]

well stage 5 has been my record so far lmao

[trim seal]

nearly there

[harsh wagon]

tried monkey too but that didn't go very well

oh wtf, no wonder my last run went to hell, just realised I never got glowing bloom lmao

[trim seal]

that might be the reason

[harsh wagon]

hmm, I have this and there's also a deflection shield in front of me

yay or nay?

[proven sage]

#gunfire-videos message

[harsh wagon]

what the fuck

I'm out here fighting for my life pretty much constantly and this man is just za warudo'ing

[lavish lily]

ffs mate

[proven sage]

🙃

[harsh wagon]

rainbow or gauntlet here?

[proven sage]

🤷‍♂️

[harsh wagon]

eh, gauntlet it is

[proud needle]

Question would be rather :
Do you want to continue to right click or not ?

[harsh wagon]

pain

bleh, that's enough achievement attempts today

[upper terrace]

i got hit with a 2171 damage attack even though damage was supposed to be limited to 25% of my hp 1 shotting me

what is even more annoying about that is i had over 100% damage reduction

[harsh wagon]

Gunfire update?

[proud needle]

Except the saving still doesnt work 180+

[lavish lily]

But if the damage resistance stops at 90% what the point?

just ... in general

[harsh wagon]

o

ty

[proud needle]

People want to go as far as they can , monkey see number , monkey happy if number go up

[lavish lily]

Got it, I thought maybe I missed something, and there's some kind of scale there

[proven sage]

tbf it should go to stage 100 at which point they would have 99.9%

most players get to about 15-25 anyways

[proud needle]

^^ After that player forced -5% dmg reduction per Stage complete

And IMO before that after each boss defeat enemies are granted an effect as of a scroll from Fates was selected at random

if you so want can remove the 10m completely with that system

[polar sigil]

can the dragons breath crit?

[left bronze]

what weapons do i use for atomic bomb aoi bai or just melee weapons for movement speed?

[proud needle]

Atomic dog doesnt do weapon

So at best Sword for ms

and no Dragons Breath is a launcher and cant crit

[left bronze]

Dragons breath really should be an exception

[proud needle]

That would make it too strong

Shrieker can crit but has little aoe

But the Breaths AOE and number of hits are massivle

Crit with that is too much

if you want to crit you gotta use some scrolls or blessings

[left bronze]

Things could be adjusted to make it a more precision based launcher, I was confused when headshots werent critting considerings its whole design

does endless journey have vaults?

[proud needle]

Just normal generation should have vaults

And Dragons breath is not a simple precision railgun

The explosion it causes is a second part of it when it hits

And its dmg is way too high

[silent osprey]

i actually wondered: if the piercing beam hits multiple enemies, does it create an explosion on each enemy hit, or is it just on the first hit? 🤔

[proud needle]

First hit

[silent osprey]

ah, sadge.

[proud needle]

After that its only the laser shot penetrating
That would be broken

[silent osprey]

but makes sense.

[proud needle]

Also Dragons Breath is now the Highest Base dmg weapon

800 base

Before it was FIre Tower with 700

[proven sage]

posted this #reddit-feed message

[still kernel]

I was all the way in Jokul when I learned that giving all the monsters True Damage with Giant Slayer means they ignore Tidal Aspis. Ouch

[trim seal]

Speaking of true damage, is enemy inflicted bleed considered true damage?

[thorny parcel]

Most likely.

[lavish lily]

I'm more inclined to increase the damage received, because you can easily facetank absolutely anything

[thorny parcel]

Increased DMG received * 0 = 0

[lavish lily]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim seal]

If it is, at least its consistent ish

[spring socket]

@thorny parcel can u test to see if ur having same bug, WOF level 3 if u switch weapon u dont keep the increase rof and u looose the buff

[thorny parcel]

WOF...?

[spring socket]

Wild fire mt bad

[gusty mountain]

I read that as wall of flesh

[spring socket]

Its bugged out

[proud needle]

Not for me

Can happily switch weapons and keep the buff from Wilfire 3

[proud fable]

Pls also piercing flame guide

[proud fable]

Frenzied shart

Wait fuck im two days late

God damn it I hate discord mobile

[quartz current]

Shark is better

[left cloud]

quick question

is it normal to press F twiice to save teammates on coop?

that has been bugging me and my mates for a while as it used to be not like that

and in coop with ping and all it is a hassle

[full tapir]

reviving starts when you release the button now it seems

so the second press isn't needed, but I agree it feels weird

[left cloud]

especially on ping it feels so weird

and I didn't see anything related to this issue within notes and all

[royal anchor]

ye im having the same issue

[left cloud]

is there any place where we can report those and such?

[royal anchor]

#1060159100006178816

[tiny barn]

does replacing scrolls master blessing remove the scrolls you got from it?

it does not, interesting

also can justice get the combined critx gemini inscription?

[spring socket]

No

[tiny barn]

thats cringe asf

[gusty mountain]

justice can't naturally crit

It's kinda better that it can't.

Just means I can get geminis that are more useful on it more easily.

[tiny barn]

its other gemini's are mid tbh

[gusty mountain]

critx is pretty much useless on justice

[tiny barn]

I honestly still dont understand the ins and outs of crits and lucky shots and how they interract lmfao

and I have 230 hours

[gusty mountain]

lucky shots is just the chance of doing extra dmg

[tiny barn]

ok cool

[gusty mountain]

crits are enemy weakspots

[tiny barn]

right

can a crit be a lucky shot too?

[gusty mountain]

yes

[tiny barn]

neat

[gusty mountain]

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Critical_Hit

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Lucky_Shot

[rain galleon]

whats best way to farm for talents

[fickle cipher]

Whats the furthest you all went in endless mode and what build were you using?

[polar sigil]

is miasma ever a worse option than other stuff?

or rather, are there status immune enemies?

[fickle cipher]

armored enemies are immune to miasma

[thorny parcel]

No enemy is immune to Miasma.

But Armored enemies merely take 1 damage because they have only 1 HP.

[polar sigil]

kills them eventually i guess

does that also apply to the big worm boss?

[thorny parcel]

No, because it can never recieve the Armored enhancement.

[polar sigil]

nevermind right i was thinking of the yellow health thingy sorry

[proud needle]

No need to be sorry rather them

Not clarifying

Armored just as is would be rathered understood as "having armor"

And not the Armored enhance of monsters past Elite Difficulty

[valid tartan]

hi guys

can u crossplay with ps4

[proud needle]

Only Ps5

[burnt pulsar]

This is a known issue, we are now dealing with it, sorry for the bad experience 😳

[left cloud]

All is fine no worries about it m'dude

[fickle cipher]

Anyone knows how elemental balls damage are calculated? Like the ones from cat maestro blessing

[brittle knot]

yo could anyone summarize how exactly the card owl dude works? the skills?

[fickle cipher]

1. Press secondary skill
2. Get 1 box below, so like 1 common box or 1 rare box or 1 legendary box
3. Press primary skill and it does different thing depending on the boxes type below

Probability of the rarity of the “boxes” are affected by the scrolls you carry

[brittle knot]

ah, and what are those "different things"?

i got 2 rares 1 common and it did pretty much the same thing as the standart Q

[fickle cipher]

You need same rarities for all 3 I think

2 rare 1 common is an imperfect one

Perfect ones will have different damage depending on how good the rarity of all 3 is

[brittle knot]

got it tho the ascensions seems a bit too complicated for me. will stick to the standart cat. tysm

[fickle cipher]

Impure: Deals 800 damage within 3.5 meters of the target.
Normal: Deals 800 damage twice within 3.5 meters of the target.
Rare: Deals 800 damage twice within 3.5 meters of the target, then 1000 damage within 7 meters.
Legendary: Deals 800 damage twice within 3.5 meters of the target, then 1600 damage within 7 meters. Finally 1000 damage per second and -50% Movement Speed for 5 seconds.

Owl is like playing jackpot and you can rig the odds the further you play

Give him a go it’s really fun

[brittle knot]

will try the fox first i guess, she looks cute and skills are simple enough i guess

[thorny parcel]

Owl is also "pick purple ascensions, spam cards", so...

[thorny parcel]

It wasn't tested fully, but the last time I checked it was just a base value with the usual damage bonuses.

Any damage it would do falls off massively.

[fickle cipher]

Thanks, wanted to try cat maestro painkiller to see if it can crack endless mode lol

[ruby hedge]

Is there any down side to giving enemies (through independent fortunes) Extravagant Consumption?

[proud needle]

basically nothing

in theory you lose money

but you gain more from recycling dropped scrolls and weapons

one of the „free“ fortunes

[ruby hedge]

I know, but I mean I usually expect enemies to do something negative with most positive scrolls

[proud needle]

it is negative

yoj lose money

[ruby hedge]

Oh, I lose 1 money?

[proud needle]

just the amount you get heavily outweighs the loss

[ruby hedge]

Might need to be made clearer in wording since "Drop 1 copper upon hit" makes it sound like they drop 1 copper since it is listed as an enemy effect. "Players drop 1 copper upon enemy hit" would be easier to understand.

[proud needle]

Ehhh

the thing is it is aura effect

and they are written in general form in case the need to be given to players

[thorny parcel]

So we're clear, this is Extravagant Consumption on enemies.

Last time I checked, it was the enemies who dropped the 1 copper and took increased damage when the player shoots them.

Pretty sure I recall watching enemies drop copper when shot, and taking higher damage afterwards.

Unless they changed the effect.

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, I've noticed they were dropping copper when hit too

Even if I didn't take the scroll after giving it to the enemies

[thorny parcel]

Sounds unchanged then.

In that case, there is no downside.

You get more copper, and they take more damage.

Pretty sure the devs thought this one was a cursed scroll when they added this effect, since you "lose all but 500 copper".

[fickle cipher]

how do people reach stage 175 in endless

im running tao with sword spam and rof abuse with spore on a 21 porjectile hell and i still take 3 business days to kill anything

[proven sage]

i doubt spore is good, but dunno

at 173 as we speak

[fickle cipher]

how the

[proven sage]

https://i.imgur.com/mphBL6J.png

praise it

[fickle cipher]

sheeeesh

[left bronze]

Does reload speed affect dragon breathe?

And does the gemini which increases damage on reload work on it?

[proven sage]

it cannot have any mag gemini's

[proud needle]

Canr have mag gemini and reload only makes the action bar for successfully reloading bigger

[proud needle]

And ROF / Attack Speed dont affect it either

[left bronze]

Dang

Is it just me or is nonas hardwood missiles like, really weak?

I have fire coverage and skill freak and the damage they do is extremely poor especially in comparison to wings missiles

[thorny parcel]

That's because Nona can't fire 16 missiles in a couple seconds.

[left bronze]

Yeah but her missiles are doing like, 50k each while iron wings are doing like 250k-300k

Even though I have almost every ascension that surrounds around boosting her ironwood missiles damage

Especially with skill freak 💀

[humble crescent]

Does skill build for cat work well? Kinda seems like he'd lack boss dps and wouldnt scale well

[royal anchor]

You can permastun bosses so who cares about dmg when they cant even touch you

But for the most part cat skill build is playable

[thorny parcel]

Technically you're not using Cat's skills for the damage.

You're using them to do other stuff, like inflicting Decay or freezing enemies.

Sure you could technically use Grenades for damage by inflicting Burning to trigger Combustion, but...

[kindred mauve]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[left cloud]

oh new patch notes

[thorny parcel]

Bug fixes.

[rancid pine]

which channels? because it appears to me without access so I don't know

[thorny parcel]

It's outdated. Go to the LFG channels below.

[rancid pine]

OK thanks

[echo python]

So for the Dog, If you dual weild the Dragons Breath do you have to worry about the bar?

[polar sigil]

is Cat really as overpowered as people keep claiming he is?

he feels like he only really helps with elemental focused builds

[thorny parcel]

Yes and no.

Yes because he's easily the best support hero, and works absurdly well with the overpowered Painkiller blessing.

No because besides a few builds, his damage is not as much as many other heroes.

[royal anchor]

anyone is OP

[polar sigil]

support sounds good tho since i mainly play with a friend (turtle player)

[thorny parcel]

These days it's not as amazing as you might think.

Certainly helps, but now often the best way to support your friends is to kill everything before they can hurt them.

[polar sigil]

i mean having support as cat sounds fun enough since i mainly play high DPS builds (and friend gambles everything on getting every dash roll in existnece)

tho killing everything before they kill you sounds accurate

tho it also feels like that is pretty hard for me sometimes

i either can burst bosses and do mediocre job at clearing mobs or the other way around

only real builds where it didnt feel like that was double caliber tiger and essence chain monkey

[proven sage]

fire tower/crimson scale on cat then

start Counter Violance

[polar sigil]

is crimson scale actually good?

[proven sage]

kills luwu in a few seconds

as long as the balls can crit

[thorny parcel]

It's better than most weapons.

Unfortunately "elemental" is it's only playstyle that it truly fits.

[proven sage]

use it on ao bai for bigg bombs

[thorny parcel]

Gotta go non-explosion for a bit to charge them up, and no Extended Magazine shenanigans.

[proven sage]

use it on Li and get the fire bonuses

[polar sigil]

i tried it a bit but i rememeber the primary fire feeling inaccuaret at even mid range (tho i could be misremebring)

[left cloud]

I like cat because you can literally do any build and it works

you can play on smoke with fire weapons, play on orb and make enemy consider their life choices, play elemental with painkiller and sit down with nice cup of tea while enemies die with cancer (DoT) and best part they'll be manipulated so no need to worry about dodging even xD (except elites and bosses but you should be fine)

[thorny parcel]

One thing Cat can't do is high RoF non-elemental.

[left cloud]

and u can get infinite shield spiritual link with paranormality which basically gives you a lot of shield to sustain yourself nicely

[polar sigil]

what i feel with monkey tbh

[left cloud]

elemental conversation spiritual link with any weapon

but yea

other than that it doesn't work much

[thorny parcel]

That turns them elemental. Is besides the point.

[left cloud]

fair enough

well what about killing someone with your smoke effected? cuz non elemental cat is basically impossible

as it is huge part of his kit

[thorny parcel]

Just referring to the use of non-elemental high RoF weapons.

Low RoF weapons he can still use Energy Blade.

High RoF he's got nothing for.

[left cloud]

i just get it when I'm going for fun

[polar sigil]

"literally any build" smh cant believe it

[left cloud]

shhh he still can if you throw a bomb xD idk

[proven sage]

not like SMG/assault rife monkey is good

[polar sigil]

i guess

tho monkey works fine as a weapon buffer i think

[left cloud]

he buffs himself

[thorny parcel]

Injector too, besides Rainbow Spores.

[polar sigil]

i personally use pistol essence chain builds the most but im pretty sure the temporary leveling mechanic of monkey and his ascensions make a lot of weapons usable

[left cloud]

can someone give info about tao blossom build? i usually go for RoT and/or swords but i just never tried to do blossom builds

[thorny parcel]

Basically the same, except you want higher hits instead of higher ammo consumption.

Many weapons overlap with the two.

Some don't, like Illusion.

[lapis valve]

Does the "lightning blast" secondary buff sphere also buff other weapons?

[humble crescent]

Anyone got a list of some good builds to try out on different classes? Doesnt need to be anything in depth. Just would be nice to have an idea of what to do when playing a new class.

[proud needle]

errr wrong game ?
There aint any classes

[humble crescent]

umackchyually.jpg

[proud needle]

Not actually, you have different characters and not classes

They have a class

DPS

[harsh wagon]

my favorite class is the one that installs mozilla firefox on enemies faces

[quartz current]

Hi! Have you checked out the Wiki for this game yet? Each character page has a few build ideas towards the bottom. They give some general ideas you can build off of. It's a great place to start.

SlightRNG's YouTube channel also has some character tier lists that go over certain build categories and ascensions pictures for each one. Beware that they might be outdated tho [bird, turtle]

[proud needle]

Dude

1st rude as hell

2nd , before acting smart
We get way too many people asking from a wrong game here

Instead of going "umakchually", could have just clarified you are indeed asking about Gunfire instead of trying to be sassy

And you ignore what I say

You know what you want

Too many come here asking for something that is not even in this game

From chest rewards and even complaining about things that are from other games

People cant read

So first to ask : Are you in the right game you want info off

And you are again , ignoring every bit I am saying

You are a new player,
This simple question of me trying to find out if you are indeed correct here is something from 3 years here

[humble crescent]

Thank you for help. 🙂

[clever copper]

Whats the best strategy to farm Soul Essences? I still have some stuff to unlock but at the same time high level play requires a spending of essence to get through with all the perks and shadow peddlers and curiosity chests..

[thorny parcel]

A good way is

1. Pick Cat.
2. Play Reincarnation 1.
3. Pick Painkiller as your free Lone Wolf blessing.
4. Win.

[clever copper]

Spam monarch/glutton or snake/ship is just fine on R1?

[celest tundra]

3+1. Set Lone Wolf player count to 4. More enemies = More loot.

[humble crescent]

is qing yan any good now?

[celest tundra]

He is King of Yan||dere||
👑

(real answer: In terms of which melee-based hero to bring, Qian Sui is overshadowing the poor bird, imo)

[thorny parcel]

Qing Yan is still pretty much the worst hero in the game, because his super tankiness means nothing when you pick someone else and delete enemies instantly.

Only saving grace is now he has 1 OP spiritual blessing, which also came at a cost in all non-reincarnation runs.

[celest tundra]

(For the sake of reminder, can you please remind me what that OP blessing is, so i can give it a test run when i get back home in Sunday?)

[thorny parcel]

All or Nothing.

Besides the first act and maybe some bad RNG, it pretty much reduces your Leap cooldown to nothing while giving a large, ever-increasing multiplicative damage bonus.

[celest tundra]

Even if - from what i've heard - it got nerfed some time ago?

[thorny parcel]

Nope.

Nerfing OP things is like a vampire eating garlic.

When they do it they get burned, so they usually don't even try.

[ruby hedge]

What about when they nerfed sanguine relic? The 2% life steal was super powerful

[thorny parcel]

They got burned.

50 billion comments about "HP build sucks u can actually die now!" despite the fact that both fire enthusiast and sanguine relic are still the most powerful HP recovery items in the game.

[ruby hedge]

They're still good now, don't get me wrong

I just liked the old one more lol

[thorny parcel]

That's because the old one let you fully heal each time you barely scratched an enemy, letting you turn your brain off.

It would be safe to assume that literally no one expected it to actually get nerfed.

[ruby hedge]

I certainly didn't, it used to be my favorite scroll

Tied with spirit feline

[thorny parcel]

Probably the only reason why it wasn't better than Spirit Feline is because most heroes use Shields/Armor as their primary protection.

[ruby hedge]

Fair point, all the ones I play are mostly shield too

[ruby hedge]

My favorite sniper kitty

[runic wigeon]

Anyone have any tips for the hedgeturtle? Struggling with him in particular (mid reincarnation levels)

[thorny parcel]

Always have the Tidal Aspis active, and use it for everything..

Punch build? Tidal Aspis then punch.
Charge build? Tidal Aspis then charge.
Weapon build? Tidal Aspis then slam.

[runic wigeon]

Is it better to go into the tidal aspis tree rather than the punch tree then? I've been going punch since it seemed the best.

[thorny parcel]

You can pick punch ascensions, just don't neglect the ascensions that let Tidal Aspis last longer.

[runic wigeon]

kk thanks

[warm mason]

hey, does anyone else experience fps drops with decent specs, usually i get like 300-400 until a large group of enemies appears, this is more shown in spiritual assault where my fps can drop below 100, im on a 3090ti and 5950x, anything i should try? game is enjoyable regardless, but can be annoying with the fps drops

[proud needle]

Never had issues with my 3800x and 2080, running on 4k res and max settings

Even Stream and record at the same time in 1440p

[lavish lily]

same, game just start dropping FPS at the middle of the 3d stage for no reason

[low tendon]

What’s the best dlc to buy

[proud needle]

DLC adds only a few weapons and 2 characters each
So it really depends on which characters you want IMO

[low tendon]

I mean like which character should I get since I’m on mobile

[proud needle]

Aha

THATS a completely different thing

[low tendon]

I was thinking about panda but idk how she plays

[proud needle]

Nona Plays together with her Robot

he can be in Pursuit mode where he melees enemies or turret mode firing rockets

Nona herself has her secondary ability being a rocket launcher

[low tendon]

Bruh I’m been trying to find a match for like 10 minutes now how dead is mobile version

[ruby hedge]

She is the easiest on mobile

I got the mobile version to test it and you can focus on buffing the robot

Makes her (mostly) play herself since awkward mobile controls

[ruby hedge]

Mobile is barely played comparatively. I only play it now if I'm bored stuck somewhere and out of the house.

[low tendon]

I don’t have to worry about controls since I got a backbone but is she still good or should I try to get someone else

[ruby hedge]

She is still good for other reasons too, but all characters are good at different things. Nona has high survivability and you can strategically use the robot. My favorite are Lei Luo (lightning tiger) and Li (fire fox) though Nona and Zi Xiao are a close second for me for their utilities.

[low tendon]

Also what does the thunder storm pistol do since description is in another language for some reason

[ruby hedge]

Aah right mobile still has it as a pistol

On desktop it is a launcher now

It used to be able to destroy shields with the weapon skill

On normal enemies and did a fair bit to elites too

[low tendon]

Swag,for panda I would want to use pistols for here

[ruby hedge]

She gets boosts to pistols but I don't always stick to just their recommended weapons

[echo python]

Any suggestions for an Ao Bai SA build with Double Dragons Breath?

[ruby oasis]

Yes

Do not do it

[sonic pagoda]

i cant play with a friend on ps 4 , he invites me i cant get in hes looby i wait 2-5 minutes and still nothing besides loading and if i invites him the same , is the multipayer meh for ps 4 and it doesn't work properly ?

[echo python]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[ruby hedge]

Dragon's Breath seems like a weapon that sort of requires you to use its weapon skill for it to be good. Doesn't seem like a good dual wielding choice.

[echo python]

I noticed when I use 2 Dragon's Breaths they both stack. The bar gets bigger.

[ruby hedge]

I do like dual wielding bone dragon and fire dragon though as far as double dragon goes

Hold 'em in place and burn em

[echo python]

Oh ok, Maybe I can give that a try some other time.

I don't really know how to build for explosive damage. So I thought I'd ask.

[ruby hedge]

If on reincarnation mode atomic dog is certainly a way to go

[echo python]

I gotta start playing that mode actually.

[olive flax]

Any tips how build tao for campaign nightmare ?

[round lichen]

Anyone know what buffs you get for recycling ascensions when you play endless mode?

[olive flax]

Idk i didnt pass nightmare

[old mantle]

does buffer shield still synergize with spirit feline?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[old mantle]

is it safe to use paranormality with those 2?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[old mantle]

is the discord split up this way to deter people from using it?

[thorny parcel]

It's split up this way because we thought the Forum system was going to be more useful than regular channels.

It wasn't. It had severe flaws that weren't mentioned.

[proven sage]

btw, thoughts on going back?

[thorny parcel]

As far as I'm aware, there are already plans.

[brittle knot]

what do i get after finishing stage 4 that is different from finishing at stage 3?

[thorny parcel]

Higher soul essence amount. Pride.

[humble crescent]

Which class has the most OP act 1 blessing?

[thorny parcel]

Crown Prince with Painkiller. Renders almost all enemies unable to attack you and quickly dying with Smoke Grenades.

Nona with Pair of Us. On top of having good early-game scaling, Iron Wing becomes unkillable which lets you hide behind walls completely safe.

[humble crescent]

How would you guys say is the easiest way to get the kill both end game bosses achievement?

[turbid bolt]

can someone gimme a basic rundown of how to play magician
I tried an astroforecast build but the damage feels subpar

seems like magician requires a pretty good buildup first in order to start dishing out good damage?

[young goblet]

Early game building into his cards is easier than his primary ability because you don’t have enough scrolls to have good RNG

Late game both are pretty strong, but until you could get a wealth of scrolls built up don’t expect your E to carry super hard

[young goblet]

play your best character with the build you’re most comfortable with. all of them can do it given the right setup

some are easier than others but it’ll mostly be personal preference

[runic wigeon]

Found out you can beat the final boss after you die and apparently it revives you

[ruby hedge]

I like to play Li with Painkiller as well, but that requires getting that one goblet that gives you 100% chance of fire. The prince is easier to set that up though since his grenades don't require an rng goblet to make painkiller work well.

Fiery Heart, that was the name of it

[humble crescent]

I know all can do it, but I was asking which is easiest to setup to do it

[ruby hedge]

Pain killer prince

Easiest set up

Just not my preferred

[humble crescent]

Aight thanks. Do you just pick the elemental dmg talents and focus on weapons?

[ruby hedge]

Generally with painkiller? Just pick things that apply elements, but upping elemental damage is a bonus too

Effect chance is most important

Miasma triggers from pain killer that does percentage based damage to enemies

[humble crescent]

But are any of the smoke or energy orb talents worth taking?

[ruby hedge]

The one that makes the orb elemental, anything that buffs the grenades

And use elemental weapons, don't use any non elemental ones

(like half of weapons in the game have an element)

[humble crescent]

Does every grenade tick apply elements?

[thorny parcel]

It does.

Also you don't need everything that buffs the grenades, just the ones that let you throw more, make them last longer and debuff enemies.

[ruby hedge]

^

Yeah that

[thorny parcel]

Unless you actually want to use your secondary skill for damage.

[ruby hedge]

I should have been more specific lol

[thorny parcel]

But generally an elemental weapon will be more effective and less RNG reliant.

Keep in mind the weapon will likely only be used against Armored enhanced enemies, elites and bosses, because Miasma will be less effective and Manipulation may not work at all.

[ruby hedge]

My experience has been elites don't get manipulated, but miasma still works (just at a much slower rate).

Still not enough to do all the work though, so you need to attack with strong weapons too

[amber mountain]

how does the
critx bonus gemini work because
these are not adding properly (unless im misunderstanding the meaning)

[ruby hedge]

I was actually wondering the same thing after using two 5.5x critx weapons and ending up with 9.5 critx

Literally had that happen in my last game

[thorny parcel]

Well I didn't go into specifics about the two effects.

Manipulation still works on Armored enhanced, but never on elites/bosses. Hence the "may not work" part.

[ruby hedge]

Aah, so just buffed regular enemies

[thorny parcel]

It's basically the CritX of both weapons, minus 2.0x.

[amber mountain]

oh ok
that makes sense ty :D

[thorny parcel]

Note that some effects like Glazed Sight and Hawkeye Sight apply to both weapons, so you get double the bonus when sharing.

[ruby hedge]

Hmm... should have been 9.0 critx then, but I wound up with 9.5

I may have had another thing adding critx

[thorny parcel]

Were they both snipers?

[ruby hedge]

Yeah

[thorny parcel]

Snipers get an extra +0.25x each from the Breacher talent.

[ruby hedge]

It was a bow (forgot the name of the one) and a piercing flame

OH

That explains it

[clever copper]

so how do i make Nona's mecha stop being in turret mode?

[gusty mountain]

Whichever your interrupt key is set to.

[ruby hedge]

Middle click key by default to swap

On mobile it's just a button on the screen, not sure about consoles

[clever copper]

thanks

[lime garnet]

Consoles dont even have nona

Or li

Kek

[ruby hedge]

Ouch

Do they have any of my favorites?

[lime garnet]

based on your roles, only lei luo

consoles are stuck on 1.0

[ruby hedge]

Oof

Well at least they got my favorite kitty

[young grail]

is there anyway to remove dmg limit ? my Bird's E maximum dmg is 9.9m dmg ( if im not wrong). but some how i saw other ppl do more than 10m dmg.

[thorny parcel]

There are ways to bypass it, but you cannot remove it.

[young grail]

my bird kick the shit out of his feet and still deal no dmg in endless mode

[ruby oasis]

oversight for them to create an endless mode but still have a damage cap

[fickle cipher]

whats the best way to deal with r9 horsehead without cat painkiller grenade

[thorny parcel]

The endless mode had many, many oversights.

Some are likely the reason why so many restrictions were enforced on it.

[candid gorge]

Gona be honest w peeps I loved the game I came back played two rounds and people had the most disgusting builds imaginable cleared all before you can even sniff it

How it that fun

Will answer my own question - it’s not

[ruby hedge]

I just choose the talents that are fun for me. Level 3 Thunder Nemesis constantly calling down lightning just looks epic, even if it's not the most practical choice compared to other talents.

I haven't really enjoyed endless mode since I was really just wanting a casual mode, not a challenge mode from it

I still got the achievement and got to level 13, but I wasn't really enjoying it enough to want to keep doing that one

[thorny parcel]

Yep, that's how it is nowadays.

Players can scale so fast that not only are most enemies no threat, but you can outpace your teammates and leave them nothing to fight too.

[low tendon]

Is endless mode on mobile yet or na

[lime garnet]

No

[runic wigeon]

I cannot get an atomic bomb build off it's feet

it just feels like a constant state of gambling

[quartz current]

Are you starting with Lone Wolf to snag Endless Assault and Atomic Bomb? It helps you not run out of nades especially early on and buffs the secondary cap.

As tempting as it is to start Skill Freak or Overconsumption believe me Endless Assault is still better.

[gusty mountain]

I thought I play atomic bomb the other day. Needless to say, I quit the run at Act 2.

[runic wigeon]

I had been going the gambler, went the endless assault and got a win so that was some good advice.
ended at -300% damage resistance though so that was entertaining

[ruby hedge]

It's not my preference either, but my friend manages to out damage me whenever he chooses that build on the dog

[runic wigeon]

I heard it was good but it felt pretty dependent on scrolls/ascensions

[ruby hedge]

You just need a wait to keep your bombs consistently full

So yeah, pretty much that or luck into also getting the endless secondary blessing

Makes it way easier to consistently use it

[thorny parcel]

It requires a bit of luck for it to really start doing something, but when it does it takes off like a firework towards a flammable building.

It's a bright explosive spectacle before everyone else realizes what you've done, then they wear expressions of horror and disgust as your cheer yourself on.

[old mantle]

can i just sit here and farm lantern minions endlessly for dual edge?

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[quartz current]

Someone did that for over 6 hours once I think

Although I think it was Easy Kill in that case but can't totally remember. Was a funny icon.

[old mantle]

im playing essence chain build and it got kinda boring lol

farming got boring i meant

[ruby hedge]

I have done that with veteran before to get a lot of hp

Cuz I had enduring caster and I was like "oh cool, infinite power scaling"

but then I got bored lol

And just moved on

[clever copper]

So, the best weapon for applying spores is truly argos?

[old mantle]

does weapon level affect essence chain at all?

[thorny parcel]

Not for applying. For letting another weapon apply its spore count.

[thorny parcel]

Only the Essence Drainer blessing.

And technically Wombo Combo.

[ruby hedge]

I was always told the best combo is shotgun and rapid fire, with rapid fire being used to activate the effect from the other

I usually had a hell in one hand and an injector (laser glove or thunder clap) in the other when using it

[old mantle]

rad gloves were my fav but they seem to have been nerfed

[thorny parcel]

Justifiably so.

Still hits almost as much as it originally did.

Just needs to reload now.

[old mantle]

ayy the spiritual assault boss is the boss in regular mode now xD

[ruby hedge]

I don't like the radioactive gauntlet myself cuz the mini game on it

It's the only one I won't use out of the three

[old mantle]

random i know do you use a logitech mouse by chance?

in case youre even on PC, you could just use ghub and make a 1 second interval right click like i did xD

im really bad at aiming especially when its chaos all around me

[ruby hedge]

I have a razor deathadder

Actually... I could do the same thing

My mouse software allows that with just a button

I'm gonna try that actually lol

Might make me hate that weapon less

[old mantle]

here are my timings, its not exactly 1 second

[clever copper]

i mean why wouldn't porcupine be better at that? given to the fact it has 18 pellet per shot or something?

[old mantle]

i rebound that button to left arrow key xD

[thorny parcel]

Spores is projectiles AND damage.

Porcupine damage is pathetic.

[old mantle]

also when ranking up your weapons you can ignore your injector and just rank up your argus, unless im mistaken, havent played in quite some time

[ruby hedge]

Mine doesn't allow for such precise timings with the programmable buttons

I might need to use another program if I'm gonna try to do that thing with the buttons

[quartz current]

Bind shooting to scroll wheel, pick up woodpecker

https://tenor.com/view/星爆-starburst-gif-18361500

[clever copper]

i see

[old mantle]

just gave up endless assault at the start of a new loop thinking i wouldnt need it D: pissed my whole run away

[old mantle]

what is a scene

[ruby hedge]

Scenes are the areas between where the gates appear that prevent you from moving on until you have cleared the monsters

[thorny parcel]

Rooms.

[ruby hedge]

I would say rooms, but that descirption is only easily applied to the first area

Most of the "rooms" in the ice area are really long

[thorny parcel]

They still only count as 1 room.

Treat them as enclosed spaces with doors leading out to other places.

Because that is basically how you're forced to play.

[ruby hedge]

Pretty much, they're functionally rooms

Just appear more open

[old mantle]

some tasks say "rooms" and others say scenes, they seem the same but why wouldnt they use the same word?

[thorny parcel]

Lack of coordinated translations.

Same applies to "All DMG", "DMG Dealt" and "Weapon and Skill DMG".

Also "Total DMG", "Extra DMG" and "Additional DMG".

Technically, entire acts are also referred to as scenes by the boss room portal.

As least last time I checked.

[ruby hedge]

The boss room counts as one, though there is a point at which you are locked into the fight and out from the shops

At least from what I was told?

Though if it was room transitions it would be 2 scenes, but only one having combat

[thorny parcel]

Not the portal to the boss room. Portal from the boss room after the boss is dead.

It says something along the lines of "Go to next scene".

And given the next "scene" is also in the next act...

[ruby hedge]

Good point

The wordings get confusing

[polar sigil]

does having the extra blessing from lone wolf outweigh the cons of enemies being harder to kill?

[ruby hedge]

Easily

Especially with painkiller as the bonus one

[polar sigil]

i can see the value

[thorny parcel]

Enemies aren't harder to kill.

Lone Wolf only increases how many there are, and the strength of a few enemy attacks.

Exactly the same health stats.

[ruby hedge]

On the owl I like to choose endless assault as my bonus blessing, then the card reroll one as my main, on the other 3 I play I choose painkiller as my bonus one

[thorny parcel]

Ironically, merely having more enemies to kill can sometimes be a benefit more than a penality, because you get more copper and kill stacks.

If that happens, the extra blessing is 100% a bonus.

[polar sigil]

huh?

i thought it aplied coop scaling to the enemies

that makes it very good then

[thorny parcel]

Most of the bizarre dream modifiers make the game easier.

Lone Wolf is one of them.

[ruby hedge]

I've had bad experiences with giving enemies positive effects through the linked fortune ones (certain combos make enemies way too tanky), but other than that my experience has been pretty much it being made easier

But that's when I figured out it's way easier if I just choose all the curses for linked fortunes

and skip the rest

[polar sigil]

also is there a reason not to have link or training master enabled?

[ruby hedge]

I've seen people say he can take the slots of other npcs, but I'm not sure if that is true?

[thorny parcel]

Pretty much none.

[ruby hedge]

I've seen him in a room with all 3 other npcs and a red chest

[thorny parcel]

Spiritual Link is 100% a buff, and Mission from Above has most tasks be so easy it's practically impossible to fail and keep the negative effect (half the time it won't even effect you meaningfully anyway).

[ruby hedge]

I usually only fail the tasks in multiplayer because I ran to revive a friend and wound up dying as a result

I don't really fail them in single player

The failure of losing the elemental ones is reduced non-elemental damage, which... when playing an elemental character, is pretty unimportant

[thorny parcel]

Interdependent Fortunes is one of the "technically good and bad" modifiers, where you could know to pick all the ones that screw over enemies, or you could do something stupid.

But doing something stupid is less and less likely the more experienced you are, resulting in it being less and less of a downside and more of an upside, making the game easier.

[ruby hedge]

And I've never failed it

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, my first time using it I wound up only doing positive stuff, cuz I didn't read the enemy effects

And wound up unable to kill anything in the water area as a result

[thorny parcel]

Probably the only modifiers that are actually possible to be downsides through no fault of the player is Mysterious Jokul (which still has a chance to be overcome by luck or OP builds, earning you even more rewards and making everything easier), and Transcendent Arsenal (due to the sheer failure that is getting access to your arsenal at a point when you likely don't even need it, while risking the loss of scrolls).

[ruby hedge]

The arsenal is always worth it for me cuz if I get a better weapon than what I got stored I'll just go "okay, this is going in the bank, new upgrade woo!"

[thorny parcel]

...Which you probably won't use, unless you're doing Endless Journey.

[ruby hedge]

It is very useful for endless journey, true

Seems like he appears after bosses fairly consistently?

[polar sigil]

doesnt arsenal also add kinda extraish weapon slots?

[ruby hedge]

It adds 3 backpack slots, which I like having

[thorny parcel]

It does, but they're not very useful.

[polar sigil]

it has no downside tho right?

[thorny parcel]

Best you can realistically use them for is sticking a future gemini combination in those slots while using more practical weapons in the meantime.

[ruby hedge]

That's exactly what I do

I find that feature pretty useful early-mid game

[thorny parcel]

All vaults get challenge events and 2 vaults get their chests replaced with Arsenal Guards.

[polar sigil]

exactly why it sounds good to me

[polar sigil]

wait that sounds ass tho

[thorny parcel]

So unless you really need spare slots for geminis or are going for Endless, it's pretty much a downside.

[ruby hedge]

I mean it's 2 scrolls less

But I think it is worth it

[thorny parcel]

It's enough for people to turn it off.

[ruby hedge]

True, my friend does the same thing when I play with him for exactly that reason

Which sucked when I got an amazing weapon I wanted to put in my vault though lol

During my run with him

It had all the modifiers I wanted on a thunder blast

[polar sigil]

i could never use fortunes cause of my friend
he would prob choose the best scrolls he can give them

[thorny parcel]

The sad part is, the biggest problem of the Arsenal being useless for non-endless runs, making it not a worthy upside, isn't even intended.

[polar sigil]

it feels like when you get access to arsenal its already too late?

[thorny parcel]

So it's a downside modifier purely because the game is not designed to use it correctly.

[ruby hedge]

I still wish he appeared just before boss stages instead of where he appears in vaults

All my friends say he should appear in all stages once, but not replace a vault

[polar sigil]

also i never realized how much easier the game feels solo

i play duo mostly and compared that the enemies flow like butter

[thorny parcel]

That feeling is compensated for by causing the run to end when you make 2 mistakes.

Instead of infinite mistakes or 3-5 very big mistakes.

[polar sigil]

nona players cant even feel loss

[thorny parcel]

She's the exception, not the rule.

[polar sigil]

monkey and dog keep me alive good enough for me 👍

i love owl but man he needs time to get going

wouldnt that one dog ascension that makes you immune after taking 10% damage with enough healing make you immortal?

[ruby hedge]

I've managed to die with that one anyways

[thorny parcel]

Technically yes, but it requires Spirit Feline to achieve.

Dog's got a more consistent way to become deathproof though.

[polar sigil]

uhhh the lethal hits ignore on skill activaton one?

[thorny parcel]

Weapon Genius blessing and the ascensions Golden Comeback + Sharpshooter.

[polar sigil]

sharpshooter goldencomback?

yeah

[thorny parcel]

Just start Dual-Wield, keep it active for 5 seconds or until your lethal hit count is reached, then cancel and restart it.

[polar sigil]

personally not a big fan of that setup cause i have reactivate the ability a lot

[thorny parcel]

Never die forever.

Getting Battle Tested gives you more time between restarts, if you don't take too many lethal hits.

[polar sigil]

also really unrelated but dragons breath on dog feels great

[thorny parcel]

Goes from 5 seconds to 15 seconds from Battle Tested 1 alone.

[polar sigil]

dragons breath feels so good but i keep catching myself trying to crit with it

it looks and feels too much like a railgun

[ruby hedge]

First time I tried using dragons breath I couldn't use Li's primary skill

Not sure what was happening with that one

It worked fine when I swapped off of it to the foundry

[polar sigil]

and it feels kinda ehh damage wise but i just love the design of it, how it sounds, how it feels and all that

[ruby hedge]

Only acted weird when holding it

[polar sigil]

i will continue to aim at heads with it even if it doesnt do anyting

[ruby hedge]

My friend does the same thing because they play another game where the snipers act like how dragon's breath does in this game

with the timing reload mini game

[polar sigil]

risk of rain my beloved

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, I think that is the one they meant

[polar sigil]

like the dragon breath either feels great in a run or underwhelming

and the great run i randomly pick up a different gun and it works like 3x as good

[ruby hedge]

I wound up really loving the revealer

not caring for the dragon's breath

[polar sigil]

the stormchaser feels bad, the dragons breath mediocre and the revealer is good

revealer is fucking great

[ruby hedge]

and feeling like stormchaser is fun but kind of meh

I do like that it can be dual wielded though

[polar sigil]

stormchaser feels bad for me since i like strafing a bit while walking forwards

imo the thing should require just w and allow you to press a and d as long as w is held

[ruby hedge]

I don't like that you can't strafe either lol

It forces you to play like a car to get the speed boost

[ruby hedge]

Agreed

I was thinking the same thing

literally just don't let go of W and it should maintain

[polar sigil]

its worse than the swords swords damage wise and only has the speed boost as a benefit rn

and sword can just walk circles around enemies

[ruby hedge]

There isn't really a good reason to use it on any of the characters I typically use

[polar sigil]

revealer is cool tho

i love it

feels smooth, good damage, sounds good

gimmick is nice as well

[ruby hedge]

Revealer is really easy to trigger Lei Luo's chance lightning on crit thing with

[polar sigil]

basically works on a lot of builds

[ruby hedge]

Also works well with any enhanced elemental rings

which also trigger on crits

[polar sigil]

can crit well, good RoF, good damage per shot, accurate on long ranges, nice inscriptions

they really put all the value in the revealer instead of stormchaser 💀

[ruby hedge]

I mean, I DO find myself using it more than the other two by far lol

[polar sigil]

if i find i keep it

[ruby hedge]

It's got the damage, the crit, etc

[polar sigil]

its honestly the best all around weapon imo

since it fits so many builds nicely

multihit sniper builds work on it man its crazy

[ruby hedge]

I got a fiery revealer on Li with Lightning Ball and Fire Ball on crit exclusively and I got that one in my bank currently lol

Instant mind control enemies

Now if only it had the corrosive one as well, then it'd be perfect

painkiller blessing... the weapon

[polar sigil]

i had a good crit x revealer at some point

i mean even spore work greatly on it

[ruby hedge]

Revealer just wound up being good at a little of everything

[polar sigil]

never the best choice sure

but its never a bad one

mayble tiger one shot builds but meh

or nona (do people even run nona pistol builds)

[ruby hedge]

I mean I prefer the trigger lightning on crit for the powerful aoe it has, but I do end up swapping to my sniper weapon for actually hitting with his primary skill shot

[ruby hedge]

I do because of a couple of goblets I like

[polar sigil]

also the lucky shot inscrption on it is crazy

[ruby hedge]

The guaranteed crit pistol one and the increase movement speed one

[polar sigil]

i take the pistol stuffs that applies generally a lot

the one that are not pistol exclusive

[ruby hedge]

Yeah, there is increased lucky shot and increased crit damage ones too

those are more general

Yeah that one

[polar sigil]

i cant aim so uhhh

[ruby hedge]

That's the one reason I use pistols on her

[ruby hedge]

Just stare at their faces while holding a cloud weaver

Works amazing with that one

[polar sigil]

cloud weaver is a pistol?

[ruby hedge]

It works with that skill, so I assume it is

https://gunfirereborn.fandom.com/wiki/Cloud_Weaver

And yep, wiki confirms it

Yeah, cloud weaver counts as a pistol, so I highly recommend it if you're playing Nona and going for a pistol build

[proud needle]

If it looks non identifyable its either injector or pistol

And sometimes bamboozle with Thunderstorm

Looks like pistol but is now launcher

[thorny parcel]

And Scalpel.
Looks like pistol, is SMG.

[ruby hedge]

I also thought a couple of pistols were shotguns because of how they fire

[ruby oasis]

You mean the sunder

[quartz current]

I thought the Brick was a Brick at first

[thorny parcel]

You found out it was just a piece of hardened clay, didn't you?

[quartz current]

maybe.

[versed stump]

I'm having trouble with Endless Journey. Is there somewhere that shows recommended builds?

[quartz current]

I don't know if there's' resources out there yet for endless builds specifically but there are resources for builds in general via our Wiki on the character pages or YouTube via several content creators. People here sometimes post builds too but they're not really searchable without knowing some key words.

[versed stump]

OK, I'm sure it's a skill issue as well. I'll dig around a bit. I didn't know there were builds on the wiki.

The time limit is getting me. It's like a DPS check and I fail. 😄

[ruby oasis]

in general use guns because skill damage caps earlier

is what i've found out

[quartz current]

Yeah towards the bottom of the page for each character are sample builds. Endless mode has harsh scaling so don't feel too bad about getting stomped. From what I've heard it quickly becomes a matter of exploiting any and all things OP so if you're not absolutely cracked you will fall off eventually.

[versed stump]

Definitely my experience so far.

[ruby oasis]

try using dual wield justice explosive build

gets pretty far

try to get life power as a blessing in addition to dual wield expert or whatever its called

[quartz current]

Basically the builds that are able to push to higher stages are ones that can hit the damage cap more often/hit quickly for lots of damage. The "per second" in dps matters a lot.

Whereas before endless you could win with slower, larger hits. Still true, just won't get as far as, say, Tao swords out spam with a Scalpel or Piercing Flame w/Exclusive orange text in a Cudgel build

[versed stump]

is an interesting idea. I did get crazy high damage with him. I've been trying to do a dual wield run, but my survivability is just lower than my skill level, methinks.

[quartz current]

Doesn't help HP tanking is much worse now. And by this I mean it's still strong but before it was busted lol

[pine trout]

my most successful run was dual wielding mortars with the 1 mag gemini with dog

just flying through levels just looking at the minimap

[quartz current]

I need to try 1 mag DW mortars.

Seems optimal.

[pine trout]

every tick was doing 7.9m damage

[quartz current]

Sounds about right.

[pine trout]

and some enemies were still so tanky I just parked my ass and spammed clicks instead of moving around

[versed stump]

Do you guys usually use the Lone Wolf option on solo runs? Normally that seems to work well for me, but I am wondering if the increased enemy scaling is part of the reason I am having trouble.

[quartz current]

Get lucky with ascension fusion and get nimble finger

ez clap fast mortar reload

[pine trout]

lone wolf is always on, it just adds more enemies, which is better for scaling anyway

[quartz current]

Ultimately blessings are so OP that any option that gives you +1 blessing is worth it

The scaling will get utterly ridiculous regardless so might as well be at your very best.

[versed stump]

Does that mean you do 4 player Lone Wolf? 😄

I've just been doing 2 player

[pine trout]

I take counterviolence as the extra blessing 90% of the time, that makes a lot of weapons way better than they should

always cap it out, more enemies, more scaling, more cash, more everything

[versed stump]

got it

[pine trout]

basically, builds that work decently in endless are the types that just instantly vaporize everything before endless

[quartz current]

I always do 4 player. Idk if it makes much of a difference in my runs as most things melt with a good build. Haven't tried endless much yet tho.

[versed stump]

Appreciate the input. Maybe I'll try the mortar dog. That sounds fun.

[pine trout]

the issue with explosive dog is that the perfect build was always too difficult to get in one loop, but with the extra goblets in endless you can get that god run

[quartz current]

Counterviolence sounds optimal for the LW blessing on that build

[pine trout]

imo counterviolence is actually better on weapons you'd generally not want to crit with, explosives and melee
with snipers you're expected to get crits anyway so the relative damage boost is tiny

[quartz current]

I could maybe see people arguing Overconsumption but idk +1 CritX and 50% crit rate I feel would offer much better scaling later on with all the lucky shot/damage bonuses he gets

[pine trout]

for dog I got counterviolence and life power

[quartz current]

Yeah low CritX/non crit weapons benefit most

Lol I would've assumed Weapon Genius but I guess Life Power + Veteran is there

[pine trout]

it gets really damn silly

don't explosives scale off of both weapon and skill damage?

[versed stump]

do cursed scrolls count towards the 60 scroll limit?

[pine trout]

don't think so

[versed stump]

nice

[quartz current]

No, and Evil Devouring Sword is broken so do pick it up/collect curses if possible

love to see it

[pine trout]

oh shit I was playing with 2 player count all along

[gusty mountain]

I went through 2 loops and haven't seen a single cursed scroll...

[pine trout]

forgot to scale it up

in endless I really collect them, I seem to get the scroll that lets you pick all options from a chest every run

so I just take all the cursed scrolls, even for things like "get a weapon" that I just sell anyway

[quartz current]

I love getting that with Third Time Unlucky because each instance counts as a new red chest

so you can stack curses really fast with that scroll combo

[pine trout]

yep, led me to discover that there's actually a cap even if the game tells you you're getting cursed

sucks that there's a 60 scroll cap though, with owl I got to 90 in a non endless run

my dreams of collecting all scrolls, never to be fulfilled

[quartz current]

Guess that's a 4 player lobby full of owl shitpost run waiting to happen

[versed stump]

Yeah, the limits on endless mode seems like a shame. Seems like the end game for roguelikes should be to just get stupid powerful (like Vampire Survivors)

[quartz current]

The true final boss: Your frame rate

[pine trout]

or arthritis

my poor fingers

[quartz current]

Me after any Woodpecker run

jk I don't use that weapon

But I did use the kunai weapons all the time and they're finally autofire thank god

[pine trout]

I should just turn on the autoclicker now
both this game and SYNTHETIK just ruin my fingers

[versed stump]

was that a recent change? I noticed that too when I came back after the endless journey update. so much nicer.

[quartz current]

Pokey Pummel in Mario Party 7 and that one drinking contest in Chrono Trigger trained me that gamers suffer arthritis to win

[quartz current]

It was a change maybe a year ago or so. I suggested it and kept pressing the PR here about it. Unsure if that's why it actually changed but I'm gonna take credit for it so you're welcome.

speech 100

[pine trout]

should just be an accessibility option or something
maybe a custom keybind

[versed stump]

I'll accept that explanation, thank you! It's so much nicer for dual wielding now!

[quartz current]

Yeah it's way better especially since you can get the RoF increasing inscriptions

So you're throwing as fast as you can throw them just by holding down the button now

[thorny parcel]

They've still got manual firing modes, by the way.

Doesn't offer anything special. They just exist to wear your hand out.

[pine trout]

for the extra challenge

[thorny parcel]

I think using Glimmering is already an extra challenge.

This makes it a super spicy challenge.

[elfin quest]

Finally got back to full completionist, got the Defeated Lackeys achievement just now, did 3 run attempts on Qing that failed, then did one on Nona and got it first try. Honestly I feel that the balancing on specifically the Elite MandrilFinally got back to full completionist, got the Defeated Lackeys achievement just now, did 3 run attempts on Qing that failed, then finally got it after 1 attempt on Nona. I do feel that Elite Mandrill Cavalry need some rebalancing, especially when they have bleed as a modifier, but otherwise it felt really nice

Also id love to see the damage cap get removed

Or at least have a setting for it

[thorny parcel]

When they rebalance the rest of the game, I'll agree on rebalancing Elite Mandrill Cavalry.

Because currently that thing is pretty much the only enemy that can stand against players and actually threaten them without instantly getting deleted.

[ruby hedge]

That the penguin with the flame thrower riding the monkey?

That's usually the only enemy that kills me in that area if I manage to get spirit feline

[rancid pine]

Short gameplay of my friend

Gunfire reborn mobile giving it a build to do good damage| Gunfire Reborn coop

by Davidfesago

https://youtu.be/_E4GJ0zrhto?si=f1vLWryi1Zts45ld

[brittle knot]

does dormant bullet work on weapons with 1 bullet per mag?

[thorny parcel]

No.

[polar sigil]

its always 100% filled so no buff

btw do half projectiles ex 1.5 per shot just have a chance to shoot the extra bullet?

[lime garnet]

Latter option

[old mantle]

damn i was thinking that independent fortunes was basically a free scroll if there were no upsides for the enemy, like extravagant consumption

[old mantle]

interdependent fortunes with skill bible should be a no brainer right? they take 40% less skill damage vs the 120% id be dealing

[proud needle]

not quite

[old mantle]

damn, would i be better off restarting? im doing a essence shain build, have overconsumption right now

and skill freak

[proud needle]

Restart is a drama reaction