ohhh thank you so much
#All Platforms
tacit current
cloud rain
Playing other games in the background while waiting for other party members be like:
thorny parcel
You can do better than DM with that score. Pull your team to victory in CTF by getting all the flags.
burnt pulsar
pale hamlet
meager hull
we need a wolf character next
hidden swan
I want a bear character that has remnants of pole monarch
gusty mountain
Give me a dragon
thorny parcel
I want a balanced character. Appearance doesn't matter.
lament kettle
anyone know what the gunfire update was for today?
thorny parcel
If there was an update, I have not received it yet so... no idea.
proud needle
There were no downloads
Also for that you REALLY need to specify platform
Steam didnt get an update
or you had one that you didnt download for days
rancid pine
I propose a new game mode whatever it may be
I know that this takes time and effort but I would gladly wait for it to have 3 different game modes apart from new maps or characters, I think I would bet on another gameplay mode
thorny parcel
A new game mode and you don't know what you want it to be?
I declare that you get golf. You putt a ball around Longling Tomb. No enemies, no traps, and absolutely no ways to scale massively in order to easily beat everything.
Actually I retract that last bit. You DO get scrolls and blessings to give you absurd bonuses. This results in the game getting harder because the aim is precision, and increasing your putting power by +1000% will be anything but precise.
rancid pine
A new game mode and you don't know what you want it to be?
~~I declare that you...
I don't say the mode because the last time I gave an idea for a different game mode they told me that it was boring and not worth it so if I give another idea I think it will be the same
Although I am also only proposing a simple idea, without going into much detail because I still do not know the mechanics 100% of the game, so I would not take into account several factors as you do who know the synergies of most things and if anything breaks or is not coherent, that's why I don't propose a new character or scrolls specifying its mechanics
proud needle
Round of applause
Man admited Skill Issue , saw the Problem , initiated gitgud.exe and got some skills /s
Jokes aside : dont forget the hero talents
and at the expedition tree‘s right side
lone forum
I was wondering, is there a way of removing the talents?
thorny parcel
No.
Besides starting a new save file which, as it suggests, completely resets pretty much everything.
cloud rain
I finally won a game on Normal. Multiplayer, of course. It was fun, but sadly I didn't get much action, but they helped me out when I was lagging out.
I'm on an Acer Aspire 3, which is decent enough to run Gunfire Reborn.
thorny parcel
Fox steals all the kills
Sounds about right.
cloud rain
Stats for everyone:
thorny parcel
Oh man, 2 kill stealers.
cloud rain
I wonder what kind of music do you listen to when playing Gunfire Reborn, if you are doing so?
last vine
is there a tierlist for characters available?
quartz current
Not any that are objective. Long story short: play who you like. Every character is able to beat all difficulties solo with a variety of builds.
prime basin
heyo can people help me out
the top mission from above
ive not been able to get it to work at all
im getting loads of kills
thorny parcel
Need to get 3 quick kills using the weapon, and do it 8 times.
prime basin
i have done
several times
im killing like 5 enemies per shot or getting 5 assists per shot minimum
golden fog
do any of y'al have suggestions for how to deal with the rouge arsonust's for lonewolf runs? I keep dieing as they tank all my hits before they can run up and kill me after I corner myself
thorny parcel
Yeah. Don't corner yourself.
golden fog
-_-
thorny parcel
Environmental awareness and positioning are key skills to have in combat, or they would if it wasn't so easy to blow over mistakes on high difficulties nowadays.
Environmental awareness, knowing which parts of the map are corners.
Positioning, not walking into said corners.
golden fog
makes sence
indigo sage
my best rainbow run yet
enemies in the yokul had less than 0.2 seconds to live before turning into six digit red numbers
also no downs, so that's pretty great too
cloud rain
Anyone thought Ao Bai (the dog) was a bear at first?
last vine
do the dlc characters require anything other than just having the dlc?
thorny parcel
No.
spring socket
@indigo sage why rainbow and thunderstorm?
indigo sage
<@276401877170520064> why rainbow and thunderstorm?
element fusion
indigo sage
that's what he said, yes
indigo sage
it do be the days of trying new things
first time using lightning blast as a main weapon
thorny parcel
Depends how well you aim.
Strike Wing requires you to hit up to 4 enemies at once.
last vine
is deafening mortar good
thorny parcel
Very good.
last vine
better than brick?
thorny parcel
You can't really compare a crit-based single target weapon to a charged or short range AoE weapon.
It's like Tiger Cannon, but better.
last vine
alr ty
last vine
I don't get the energy thing
proud needle
with Upgrades even bigger
last vine
it's just hollow purple but fire?
proud needle
Some of her ascensions let her use the energy for augmenting your shots and bolster defense
But You have cast fire ball
and cast meteor
Really only Owl is the mechanically complex character
The others are at base actually fairly simple
And Li .. Both her skills do essentially the same
just one horizontal line and the other vertical spot
last vine
i hate elite arsonist
what does xing zhe do
the description of the abilities overwhelms me
thorny parcel
Primary throws a projectile that then strikes several nearby enemies. Damage and bonus effect is based on your held weapon.
Secondary briefly snares several enemies, dealing damage and temporary leveling up your weapons.
last vine
is lightning ksana good with nona since you can use it on iron wing?
should i carry it over brick
thorny parcel
I'd imagine Lighting Ksana is more useful for shooting players, because Iron Wing is tanky enough already (and can become death-proof with a blessing), and you heal him with missiles.
last vine
alr ty
tiny barn
how did you manage to get so many cursed scrolls?
indigo sage
how did you manage to get so many cursed scrolls?
There's a few ways
The "Take it all" scroll allows you to pick all red chest options, and some chests have 3 options that each yield a cursed scroll
In the desert, fjords and yokul you can choose scrolls that apply to you and the enemy and sometimes these include curse scrolls
There's a scroll called "Third time unlucky" that gives you a curse every third mysterious chest you open
You can also have a teammate drop you curses if they have an enhanced banishing talisman scroll
indigo sage
Oh yeah, and there's certain scrolls that have a small chance of giving you a curse scroll as a possible outcome, but I don't think I've ever had it happen to me
tiny barn
There's a few ways
thats a crazy amount of ways to get cursed scrolls combined lmao
indigo sage
Fortunately getting a cursed scroll is 99.9% choice
The only way I can think of to involuntarily get a curse scroll is if you get "3rd time unlucky" through effective split
Even then, it's a choice to pick up that scroll, as is to open mysterious chests
But then again, having certain events or perhaps hidden traps give you curse scrolls could be interesting
last vine
are there any limitations on this
like cooldown or something
wait i just realised its only 2000
thats not that much
wait but it is good with low damage high rof
thorny parcel
It's complete junk on any but the lowest difficulties.
At best, it's an average of 200 extra damage per hit.
But that also assumes that your target has at least 13,333 HP.
thorny parcel
Ask yourself: Do you reload the brick?
last vine
i mean it reloads in a way
just ended my run getting pullied into a bunch of lantern spirits!
left cloud
so a question is it a loop or is it new adventure/map or both
thorny parcel
The answer will be revealed to you sometime in the future.
last vine
yay my first win
that last boss dies fast but does so much damage damn
it likes oneshots me
proud fable
Gfr endless mode 
hidden swan
Gunfire has monthly updates but when they do 50 more hours get added to my playtime
inner matrix
Is it possible to find the voice line files anywhere?
last vine
is there crossplay
proud needle
only same system
Xbox is now alone
Playstation ( cross 4 <> 5 can be a diceroll if it works)
And Steam alone
winter geyser
can't post in the steam thread for some reason
anyway, tried to do this one shot owl build listed on the wiki but damn last star doesn't show up until late fjord
in which i die a minute later
my kit was absolutely bricked lol
velvet hamlet
can't post in the steam thread for some reason
try posting in the Steam 2 forum
inner matrix
Is that a no on the sound files thing?
quartz current
My guess is you'd have to source those yourself by turning the other audio settings down to off and doing the various actions that cause said voice sfx
I don't think I've see anyone share a sfx reference for them here, but they'd be easy to record on your own doing the above.
runic wigeon
I've always played the game solo, how is it in a group?
thorny parcel
Anywhere between chaotic and super easy, depending on your team.
runic wigeon
Should I try and get the perk tree leveled up quite a bit before attempting groups with randos?
thorny parcel
With randoms? I suppose you should yes.
I doubt everyone you group with would be understanding if you get knocked down repeatedly.
runic wigeon
You make it sound like playing with randoms is a bad idea
runic wigeon
kk, thanks for the advice
thorny parcel
Some people will be perfectly fine if you don't have much talents. Other people ragequit if you don't pull your weight or lose bonuses that they want to take from you.
cloud rain
are there any limitations on this
The word "slayer" not having the S capitalized in Sentence Case really irritates me... it should be rendered as "Giant Slayer"...
teal wave
Should I try and get the perk tree leveled up quite a bit before attempting grou...
Randoms in matchmaking are different to ones on discord, you can ask to join and just tell them you’re new. Most are very forgiving and willing to help out new players
I played solo until talent 30 ish then only played multiplayer for the next 500 hours
celest tundra
i mean it reloads in a way
Any weapon, where you don't see physically being reloaded in your hand, and it just magically reappears in your hand (Brick, the kunais, Talisman, etc.) does not count as reloading, thus will not benefit from any effect that says "reloading".
pure pumice
him, im new to the game, and i was wondering if im doing something wrong, i play on steam and i cant find games on matchmaking do i have to do something diferent?
last vine
him, im new to the game, and i was wondering if im doing something wrong, i play...
matchmaking sucks, better off using lfg channels
maiden panther
What Gemini is best for jet octopus? I haven't played with it much, but it seems pretty anti synergistic to most of them without some enablers.
thorny parcel
Either spore due to the effectiveness of hitting everything with ease, or element share due to the effectiveness of putting fusions on everything with ease.
maiden panther
What if you're dual wielding octopi as dog?
thorny parcel
Then spores is no longer a quality choice.
maiden panther
Spore doesn't necessarily work for that, and elemental would need 2x elemental octopi to drop or 1+elemental substitution
thorny parcel
And depending on the element of both jet octopuses, element share is no longer a quality choice either.
By default, Mag Share would be your only option.
maiden panther
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
Counter violence, wait for good, deadly counter make crit share pretty strong
But you can't count on those.
simple lion
Finally did it and its still not enough but i can still go higher. 27b damage.
spring socket
@simple lion
cloud rain
Since my first multiplayer experience was on Normal difficulty, and 2 players took a majority of the enemy kills, I'm going to try clearing a Normal difficulty run alone before I move onto Elite difficulty.
last vine
Is owl good? I heard it is really confusing
thorny parcel
Extremely good. In fact the confusing part isn't even his best build.
winter geyser
does aura jar even has weakpoint
killed my run because there's literally nothing i can do
my grenade can't reach it which is gg, weapon can't crit either
how is the jar so tanky
proud needle
Also grenades can actually hit it and not it has no weakspot but if you fail to break the jars with weapon dmg you got a whole different problem for the fight
winter geyser
yeah when i play other heroes those jars are gone if i so much as sneeze at it but i was doing building cat for smoke and crit
wasn't carrying weapons with abundance for ammo either
elfin blade
So my tiger cannon is just
Not sure whats happening but every time I reload the tiger cannon it reloads like 3-4 times in a row before I can shoot again
Do i have too much reload speed or something?
My gun also disappears
I have never had something like this happen before
Granted I have not played in a little while
elfin blade
Nothing bugged besides gun being invisible <@136611939831775232>
Did you not see me reload the gun 3 times in a row? Listen to the reload sound lol
spring socket
Once again thays the scrol
elfin blade
Once again thays the scrol
Tf you mean by the scroll
Explosive reload scroll literally doesn't affect reload speed
proud needle
It could be the issue here though
spring socket
The sound
elfin blade
I did try discarding the scroll
proud needle
I had plenty of instant reload runs with Tiger Cannon
spring socket
IS THE SCEOLL
elfin blade
IS THE SCEOLL
I'm talking about THE RELOAD SOUND
proud needle
Okay no need for caps
proud needle
Sound is the explosive sound but during the explosions abnormal behavior of reload can be seen
spring socket
All i see is when the scroll isnt on
elfin blade
I guess the scroll just broke my reload even when I remove it
spring socket
Its normal sound
proud needle
if you would have looked at the Ammo count deneutralizing you would see that the ammo count flickers
elfin blade
Yeah it does
The ammo count flickers
I'm assuming its some bug with the fast reload speed, extra consumption inscription, and the explosions
proud needle
Something is messing with the reload and I suspect some freak interaction of fast reload and explosive reload
spring socket
Again the scroll causes tge flickering
elfin blade
Again the scroll causes tge flickering
?
proud needle
it just causes explosions during reload
Here it is for some frames the game tries to update the magazine count
and with the two reload bonuses from ascension and inscription the reload should be significantly faster
elfin blade
I'm just gunna assume its a bugged interaction
Its not my first fast reload tiger cannon build either
proud needle
Something is causing the explosive reload with normal reload time but the weapon itself wants to update based on its own reload thanks to reductions
elfin blade
also not the fastest reload i've gotten on it by far
proud needle
causing the flickering of the magazine count
Two things are trying to modify the reload and conflicting here
elfin blade
I think its something with the +100% consumption thats causing some kinda conflict
Maybe the game doesn't know if it should apply the -50% reload inscription with all the things happening
golden fog
Fuggit, are you still there with the gun? We could try dropping some scrolls and see what happens
elfin blade
No idea either way I just added + mag size gemini and just circumvented the issue
elfin blade
Fuggit, are you still there with the gun? We could try dropping some scrolls and...
Unfortunately finished the run
golden fog
Sad
elfin blade
I did try dropping more scrolls
golden fog
oh?
elfin blade
I think something just internally broke in the gun's code or something
The reloads were just broken after that
golden fog
That could be the case, it is hard to tell for sure though
elfin blade
I added mag size gemini to see if it was overloading on reload speed or something
Even with like an 80ish mag size it still broke on reload
Had the +5% per shot in magazine blessing so run was pretty good
last vine
does skill damage apply to iron wing
thorny parcel
Yes.
last vine
wouldnt 100% lucky shot chance be always
last vine
Lucky shot damage can go above a hundred
whats the point of that
spring socket
STONKS
rose talon
Stuff like this is why I love gunfire.
In theory a weapon inscription has no damn business scaling with skill damage.
But the game has so many interlocking mechanics that you can not only make it work but potentially be the main component of an entire build.
thorny parcel
Also applies to corrosion explosions, elemental balls, and likely all other inscriptions that cause extra non-weapon hits.
last vine
what's the fastest firing weapon
ruby oasis
quartz current
RoF ≠ Projectile count so Angelic Aura in this case is still the answer.
spring socket
Rof is aura venom left click
Actually fastest is either scapel or big hippo bc of inscriptions
Iircbig hippo can get 50% 40% 20% and 100% rof inscriptions
gusty mountain
I made AA fire so fast that the sound bugged out.
spring socket
@proven sage big hippo has the legendary inscription for 50% rof and can take the rof increase for each crit
AA doesnt have that
Also rof only matter for bunny which means hes asking about spore/bloom proc which stillmakes big hippo better
thorny parcel
<@103189364984549376> big hippo has the legendary inscription for 50% rof and ca...
And that +150% total RoF brings it up to 25 RoF, just 1 RoF higher than the base Angelic Aura.
Once you start adding things that both weapons can get, it immediately shifts into Angelic Aura's favor again.
+25% RoF inscription alone brings Big Hippo to 27.5, and Angelic Aura to 30.
It's honestly not even a contest between the two weapons.
last vine
Also rof only matter for bunny which means hes asking about spore/bloom proc whi...
i was just curious
does rational consumtion ever decrease your skill damage or does it just diminish in effect
i dont really understand what it says
thorny parcel
You get an 80% bonus. Each purchase lowers that by 5%, down to 0%.
last vine
isnt that a lucky shot?
thorny parcel
No.
Crit hits use the weapon's CritX stat. Lucky Shots are simply x2, x3, x4 and so on based on how high the % is.
last vine
can you combine elemental conversions and get multiple elements on every weapon?
thorny parcel
No. One takes priority.
And even if you could, it wouldn't work on naturally elemental weapons anyway.
quartz current
Closest you can get is to element share gemini to have two different ones or use the Talisman with its weird exclusive. Or have a weapon with different elemental balls on crit.
thorny parcel
Or Element Share with Dual Fang.
quartz current
I guess Dual Fang + 
is tri element yeah
thorny parcel
Cat's Elemental Orb blessing can also count, in the same way elemental balls do.
quartz current
Ah yes, my favorite hero blessing in the game.
It's just fun/doesn't immediately break the game wide open so I respect that.
thorny parcel
Much like Smogbound Zone, One Dog Army, Double Tap, Lightning Messenger, Weapon Mastery, and maybe Flame Dance.
last vine
aura of venom + deft hands = a lot of bullets
spark pebble
I got a question, what ascensions do you look for if you try do a foundry run with tao
cloud rain
Most of my solo runs on Normal die here, at the third Vault room in the Longling Tomb...
Damn that Elite Horsehead.
I wonder what FOV you play on?
last vine
this is how i go out?
that took soooo long
for iron wing to die reviving me
and i would have had enough soul essecne if i didnt reroll one of the blessings
thorny parcel
I got a question, what ascensions do you look for if you try do a foundry run wi...
Depends. Is it Foundry as main damage with skills, or pure Foundry?
Cursed Mark, Flower Chain, No Escape, Mark Chaser, Sword Enthusiast and Sword Guard all help if you can use skills.
Warlike Blade, Swordsman and Ammo Extractor help either way.
oak tusk
Oh dear, in the new promo image, at first sight, the characters look absolutely wasted. lol
I love it.
oak tusk
Most of my solo runs on Normal die here, at the third Vault room in the Longling...
Don't worry, it's normal!
I died countless times on the first stage as well on Normal.
Then you get Soul Essence, you level up, unlock weapons and scrolls, get stronger, and it will get easier.
Not only that, you'll get skilled as well because you start understanding how the enemies behave.
You'll have to be stubborn and not let the game win you.
red crag
Hello, i was wondering if there is a plan to release a switch version of the game?
cloud rain
I've beaten Normal, but on Mutliplayer. I would like to finish Normal in single-player before I try Elite.
proud needle
Hello, i was wondering if there is a plan to release a switch version of the gam...
There initially were plans but with the fiasco of PS and Xbox this is on hold
white spindle
Wow it's been that long? I have been here since Tao had that really funky face lol
oak tusk
I kinda wish that the devs would hide the 1M profile frame though: I can't get it anymore because I was late to the party and now it's just there taunting me. 😭
velvet hamlet
so true
thorny parcel
It's less popular than the main game mode.
tight crown
Where can I get help with a problem I am having in the game?
thorny parcel
#1060159100006178816. Make a post there.
tight crown
Thanks
cinder lintel
Hellou, I have been playing gunfire for a while and I have broken the Billion mark with pretty much every character. However I just cant to get to do it with the Crown Prince. Any build that adn weapon that is recommended?
thorny parcel
Pyrodomiance 3 + Fire Tower + Combustion trigger.
hidden swan
hey how is a endless mode gonna work with the perk is it gonna be like a risk of rain where it stacks?
thorny parcel
Unknown.
hidden swan
Ah I see luckily Im off that day so Ill give it a few more hours
cinder lintel
Pyrodomiance 3 + Fire Tower + Combustion trigger.
what spiritual augment would you recommend?
at reincarnation 9
thorny parcel
Painkiller + Counterviolence.
Or just Counterviolence if you're doing multiplayer.
obsidian thistle
I'm still new, but my god do I love the Woodpecker, especially with the lightning dude
last vine
whats the difference between spiritual ascensions and blessings
thorny parcel
The ascensions appear in Spiritual Assault from special goblets. The blessings appear in Reincarnation difficulty from Spiritual Remnant NPCs.
Besides that, there is virtually no difference.
Well, the ascensions are also completely separate from blessings, so you can't get like... Overconsumption in Spiritual Assault or anything.
last vine
the difference is how they are obtained and the blessings themselves?
thorny parcel
Yes.
They're both powerful rarely obtained effects with blue icons that fit just to the top right of your character icon.
cinder lintel
Painkiller + Counterviolence.
im only playing in multiplayer, interesting. why would you not chose painkiller?
proven sage
it doesn’t help that build super much
last vine
do some bizarre dream modifier things just purely buff stuff
like do some not have any downside
winged vine
Have they buffed tiger cannon or something?
gusty mountain
Have they buffed tiger cannon or something?
#game-announcements
winged vine
Oh that looks like the new assault rifle with ADS from the steam announcement to me. Looking forward to update this week.
winged vine
Ok
Happy to be wrong. Not sure it's worth how passionate you're being. We'll find out in a few days when the update drops. You're probs right 👍
proud needle
No, I know that I am right...
That has nothing with probability
winged vine
Haha sweet man. Congratulations appear in order then! Hopefully it's epic with the dog explosive dual wield build. Have fun 🙂
thorny parcel
im only playing in multiplayer, interesting. why would you not chose painkiller?
- You don't get access to Lone Wolf in multiplayer, so you can't get both.
- Painkiller is great for rendering enemies useless so you can walk up to them and bonk them with Fire Tower without dying. In multiplayer, who cares about dying?
- Fire Tower cannot crit. Counterviolence lets it crit. Without any other CritX bonuses from scrolls, you're looking at about +125% total damage on average.
lunar path
what was the requirement for this one?
thorny parcel
Own the game before 1,000,000 people bought it.
lunar path
Own the game before 1,000,000 people bought it.
Is it possible then that it is bugged for me and I didint get it?
one of my first achivements is dated for 31st january of 2021
thorny parcel
Getting it ended on January 5th, 2021.
lunar path
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1217060/view/2918859890108273954
so I was too late,
thank you
rose talon
I love elite spearman. Such a well designed enemy. Flawless game design. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this enemy. It's just such a joy to know that there is genuine counterplay to this enemy. I just love seeing him and immediately knowing that this will be a fun and entertaining challenge where I, as a player, have agency to affect the outcome.
gusty mountain
Rule #1 when fighting a elite spearman, stay near an obstacle you can run around.
thorny parcel
Rule #2 when fighting an elite spearman. Bring corrosion damage.
rose talon
Rule #1 when fighting a elite spearman, stay near an obstacle you can run around...
then you end up getting sliiiightly to close to the obstacle and he hits you through the wall because he can just do that
rose talon
Rule #2 when fighting an elite spearman. Bring corrosion damage.
Sure lemme just manipulate the weapon drops rq
thorny parcel
Rule #3 when fighting an elite spearman. Know what your hero has to benefit, such as smoke grenades, leap, fierce charge, essence chain or high movement speed.
Rule #4 when fighting an elite spearman. There is no shame in chickening out through the vault portal, including abusing it to cheese the elite.
gusty mountain
then you end up getting sliiiightly to close to the obstacle and he hits you thr...
Never happened to me
You could have used that giant pot looking obstacle and would have been fine.
rose talon
Rule #3 when fighting an elite spearman. Know what your hero has to benefit, suc...
A lot of these are limited in usability or not available to a character at all.
None of the other elites at this point in the game can just check a stat you have and then obliterate you if you can't meet the stat check.
Beetle is just dodge and keep shooting, foundry if necessary.
Horsehead is the same.
This guy is just a zone of instant death that can move faster than you.
rose talon
Never happened to me
I lost runs to that. Hence me not doing it anymore
thorny parcel
A lot of these are limited in usability or not available to a character at all. ...
Point is, with rule 1, 2, 3 and 4, you've got options. You're always guaranteed at least 1 option at some point.
Dying due to refusal to acknowledge any is entirely a skill issue.
rose talon
Well 1 in my experience doesn't work.
2 is unreliable and even if you do have corrosion damage you're still running the risk of just getting blended in 0.5 seconds. It just lowers the amount of time he has the chance to do it.
3 is not available to everyone or may be impossible due to lack of ressources.
For example I already killed all of the ads and all enemies on the map. Even if I were to manage to keep him away with essence chain for a while I'd run out of charges eventually.
And someone like Li has less speed and no guaranteed method to slow him.
And 4: I was full hp no need to leave to regen and if I were to enter the vault again he'd be right there at the entrance still.
I was trying to get him to the other side of the vault so I could do exactly that and minimise the risk.
gusty mountain
I honestly wouldn't even have attempted if I had a rainbow. That thing would've most likely ran out of ammo at that difficulty. I also don't see what buffs the spearman had all I know is that he had bleed.
thorny parcel
Probably was Bleed Agile, given they were Monke with a 20% movement speed weapon.
rose talon
Probably was Bleed Agile, given they were Monke with a 20% movement speed weapon...
It wasn't even agile.
Bleed Powerful
lime garnet
occult booster
thorny parcel
Surprised you lasted that long, then.
rose talon
It doesn't even need agile to outrun monkey with 20% speed weapon while mashing dash
thorny parcel
That's strange you say that, given I can definitely outrun it as Birb spamming Dash, and he's got the same speed.
Yes, even without use of Leap.
rose talon
well you saw the video. I was running in a straight line
thorny parcel
Actually you weren't.
rose talon
nearly straight aside from the little arch at the start to avoid it
thorny parcel
Not only were you not running in a straight line away from the elite initially, but you swerved to the right at the last second, letting him catch up.
rose talon
Not only were you *not* running in a straight line away from the elite initially...
in reaction to getting hit cause I didn't know what else to do. Running away nearly straight obviously didn't work
thorny parcel
You got hit once, maybe twice, before swerving to let him catch up. Those few hits would've probably let you live.
rose talon
Maaaaybe. Thing is that with how high the damage output of that thing is and it already being able to catch up once I'd bet it would've gotten more hits in before I would've been able to reach the portal and then after getting out i'd die to the bleed
also the room ends, I have to swerve somewhere
Had hoped it may get slightly stuck on the wall and slow down a tiiiiny bit
thorny parcel
You took about 33 damage from each hit. If we include 2 hits plus bleed, that was a total of 99 damage. Doesn't even break your shield.
Additionally, if you didn't swerve right you also would've been closer to the portal, which would let you abandon ship.
Can only say that this was a poor reaction to a bad situation without any preparation beforehand.
Entirely on yourself.
rose talon
The reaction was not the best, that I agree on. I'm not sure how bleed damage is calculated and considering it only got 1 hit because I happened to dash at that moment I'd figure it would've gotten at least 3 hits in total, if not 4.
But how am I supposed to prepare? There were no corrosion weapons or weapons that would make me faster.
All I had was pretty bad sniper drops that would've slowed me down even more and not dealt enough damage to kill it quick enough to prevent the issue entirely.
gusty mountain
If you're not prepared, don't attempt. Vaults are optional.
rose talon
If you're not prepared, don't attempt. Vaults are optional.
that doesn't change the fact that out of all the elites spearman is the only one where it is possible to run into such a scenario
act 1 elites
that is
thorny parcel
That's because act 2 has the Elite Arsonist that specifically appears in a vault designed to counter him, and by the time you reach act 3 and 4 your build is likely so powerful you erase everything instantly.
It's actually a pity that elite spearmen are pretty much the only elites in the game who you have to prepare for, or prepare for hell.
gusty mountain
Hey, if I run into an Armored Robust Elite Horsehead I'm not even gonna bother if I don't have a bloody drill. That thing is just a resource/time sink.
rose talon
That's because act 2 has the Elite Arsonist that specifically appears in a vault...
Yeah.
Elite arsonist was a point of frustration for me as well untill I learned to use the ramps and plattforms. It's difficult but I have a very clear and consistent counterplay and if I die it really feels like I messed up.
And past that elites mostly just allow you to bathe in the satisfaction of big numbers cause they don't tip over instantly.
But act 1 you're naked. You got nuthin. Possibly you got scrolls that do nothing, crappy guns and trash ascensions.
And then it just stat checks you
lime garnet
blessings
rose talon
So if you didn't spent a fortune on rerolling blessings to get something that makes you powerful enough immediately, just to beat that ONE enemy, then it's totally your fault and not bad game design that an enemy that demanding exists within the first couple stages in the first place?
(And no, rerolling and then quitting to save essence does not count as an excuse. That is very obviously not the way you were intended to do the blessing at the start)
gusty mountain
You either roll them or get rolled.
lime garnet
- lone wolf lets you pick a blessing for free at little (essentially no) downside (more enemies doesnt mean jack)
- opening room was changed to be like that, so yes it is intended
rose talon
1. lone wolf lets you pick a blessing for free at little (essentially no) downsi...
if it was intended they'd just make the reroll free
and forgo the obnoxious "reroll 4 times-quit-load a new run" thing
And remind still that we are talking about changing a major part of the run during the one moment where you have (legitimate) control over your blessings just to deal with the bullshit of one singular enemy
that isn't even guaranteed to appear
thorny parcel
So if you didn't spent a fortune on rerolling blessings to get something that ma...
Don't forget that it's that same bad game design that makes it so there is only one enemy that requires that sort of stuff, instead of a dozen.
Because a lot of late-game enemies would shred you if it wasn't for the fact you can become a god and kill them before they become a problem.
lime garnet
if it was intended they'd just make the reroll free
8/27/2021
rose talon
Because a lot of late-game enemies would shred you if it wasn't for the fact you...
because gunfire is about learning how to combine the many boni together effectively to become that strong.
Insane power scaling in roguelikes that give the player lots of control are fine, if your strength escalates that much then so must the enemies. That's just the logical consequence of having a roguelike that gives the player so much control.
But usually by the time you arrive there you had enough time to organically implement the strength to deal with it into your build.
Not Spearman. By the time you face it you only have had a handful of choices presented to you, one of them being a choice you only get 3 times in the entire run and on top it being the only one where you can force an outcome. No other enemy requires you to bend your build to such a massive and permanent degree.
And we are still talking about one singular, not guaranteed enemy.
rose talon
8/27/2021
The phrasing of "host" makes it sound to me like it was intended for multiplayer when the host quits and it working in singleplayer being a side effect of that.
As said, if they really wanted you to be able to reroll forever without spending much they'd just make the reroll free
gusty mountain
It's as I said, you either roll them or get rolled. You were playing on R8 after all, it can either be a walk in the park or a living hell.
rose talon
Yeah but please take a moment to reflect on the extreme degree of change that you want players to do only so that they can deal with one singular not guranteed enemy.
Instead of ... just making the spearman slightly slower? That'd already fix it. It's still dangerous and can shred you. But you have a clear and obvious counterplay that is universally available.
Just making it slightly slower would solve all those issues and bring the challenge of the elite spearman in line with the other act 1 elites.
Is it possible to defeat it? Yeah of course it is.
Is it fun having to toss around so much just because of one singular enemy which is dramatically out of line with the rest?
Not to me. Not to my friends. Or anyone I ever played with.
We all groan when we see the elite spearman. None of us ever have fun dealing with it
thorny parcel
At this point in the conversation, just thank your lucky stars that 97% of them are completely avoidable, and the stuff they offer would be a drop in the bucket of power you eventually achieve.
AKA, don't like fighting them? Don't!
gusty mountain
Making them slower would remove them from being dangerous.
rose talon
At this point in the conversation, just thank your lucky stars that 97% of them ...
Pointing out that other things are great should not shut down critique of one thing being bad
rose talon
Making them slower would remove them from being dangerous.
I disagree. A player that does not move around correctly would still get instantly torn to pieces.
And with there being other enemies in the room as well there's plenty of chances for players to mess up just once, get to close and get shredded.
I'm not saying make him a slug. Just slow enough that you can reasonably outrun him if you put everything into doing exactly that
you'd still die for pulling out a launcher or sniper
thorny parcel
Actually if they did that, certain heroes wouldn't die for pulling out a launcher or sniper.
In order to make the slowest heroes be able to run without getting hit, the faster heroes would be free to slow themselves down with heavy equipment.
rose talon
Actually if they did that, certain heroes *wouldn't* die for pulling out a launc...
so rather have a some heroes just die because otherwise a few would have it too easy?
gusty mountain
I disagree. A player that does not move around correctly would still get instant...
You can already outrun him as is. Making him slower just removes the danger. Getting killed by him when he's slower, well I don't know what else to say other than skill issue.
lapis rampart
yo do we have any idea what the new "endless journey" gamemode will be like?
rose talon
You can already outrun him as is. Making him slower just removes the danger. Get...
Obviously not. I tried. Didn't work
gusty mountain
And so have I, plenty of times.
lime garnet
You can already outrun him as is. Making him slower just removes the danger. Get...
yeah this entire thing is skill issue lol
thorny parcel
Obviously not. I tried. Didn't work
Because you made a major tactical error.
gusty mountain
yo do we have any idea what the new "endless journey" gamemode will be like?
Nope
thorny parcel
Could you imagine how things would be if every time someone made a mistake on a tougher than usual enemy, they cried for a nerf?
rose talon
How's a 5.5 speed character with a +20% move speed weapon running in a straight line while mashing dash not being fast enough to outrun death tornado a skill issue?
lapis rampart
after skimming through this convo, seems like a skill issue icl
beyblade spinning guy is fine for me
rose talon
Could you imagine how things would be if every time someone made a mistake on a ...
I died to a ton of em, and learned, and managed to defeat them.
Spearman is the one where consistently the only counterplay me and any of the people I played with found was to cheese it somehow or get lucky
spring socket
I love elite spearman. Such a well designed enemy. Flawless game design. There i...
Just use posion thats ur fault
Just like the people that complain about the elite horses. Taking too long to kill just to use miasma
oak tusk
I died to a ton of em, and learned, and managed to defeat them.
Spearman is the...
You can't outrun it even if you equip the Foundry, turn your back to it and dash away 'till it stops spinning?
If you really want to face it, I mean.
My personal tactic, personally, is to put an obstacle between me and it, stay away from both ('cuz it hits through), and pump it full of lead.
Of course, small enemies are there just to annoy you, so gotta get rid 'of em (those kamikaze cube things especially can give you a bad time if you don't keep an eye on them as well) first.
But if it frees itself from the obstacle, running while facing away from the enemy is the optimal solution, as most of the time what spells my death is in fact my same strategy going against me: I meet an obstacle I didn't see while backing away.
gusty mountain
Rule #1 when fighting a elite spearman, stay near an obstacle you can run around...
^
oak tusk
Naturally, also, avoid like plague getting yourself the corrosion status: that's another thing that will mark your end.
Any enemy that inflicts that status should be dealt with ASAP.
quartz current
Unless you're rocking Painkiller 😎
Nyoooooooom 
But yes slowdown effects are lethal.
oak tusk
Indeed. lol
But yeah, sadly slow characters need a different approach, since they move even slower when walking backwards.
The chicken technique is the only option for them, besides the putting an obstacle: do a 180° and RUN, RUN, RUUUUN.
quartz current
At least the slowest of them all 
as Decay in his kit so everyone else is also slow
"I may not be fast, but you won't be either"
gusty mountain
Until Elite Spearman goes into rage mode.
oak tusk
What, it has a rage mode?
gusty mountain
Yeah, when his health gets low he becomes immune to corrosion slow debuff. I forgot what else there was.
oak tusk
Huh, didn't know about that.
Guess because its health is far lower than its armor, and usually dies much faster once you break it.
quartz current
Thankfully once it's in that state it's usually a quick kill. But I've always suggested if people don't feel strong enough to handle that they should pop out of the vault for cover/a breather or just skip the vault entirely.
runic wigeon
I just fought the Pole Monarch for the first time and my god that was such a sick boss fight
I love the hexagon
marsh flame
havent played gunfire in ages but im back now
I didnt even unlock reincarnation bc I couldnt beat nightmare 😭
trim seal
Godspeed my guy, you gonna beat nightmare soon
Unrelated, but blessing in disguise giving you 2 option in jokul intentional?
obsidian thistle
so I only just started playing hte other day, only just got DLC last night. Found a glitch though. Skill Booster scroll doesn't gain energy when using the brick
nvm, restarting fixed it
last vine
is strike mode build nona just as good as fire mode build
dire forge
hi erm i was wondering if this is a good game to get, had it on my wishlist and now its on sale
spring socket
No
proud needle
Do not take it personal
But
spring socket
proud needle
You come into the discord of a game, and ask "is this good"
Do you really expect someone to be legitimate with a "No" answer ?
This is the most biased spot to ask
THOUGH
If you asked to get it on console I would say "No"
Steam
Absolutely
dire forge
erm well i expect ppl to be honest lol
proud needle
Honesty yes
But extreme bias
dire forge
beginner friendly or does it take a lot to learn/get into?
proud needle
If you can shoot you can do it
Some say its harder to get into some not
thorny parcel
It's a great game if you're into FPS games, challenging roguelikes and the setbacks you get from them. Got lots of variety in how you can play (though less than expected variety of what you can play through).
Only real downside is how unbalanced a lot of things are, and how the final difficulty isn't really the hardest difficulty.
proud needle
Just depends on how much you learn from your mistakes
dire forge
fine to play solo?
proud needle
Like , do you actually look what you maybe did wrong in a boss fight or just complain "boss too hard"
Yep
thorny parcel
Yes, though harder than multiplayer.
dire forge
wym
proud needle
But its not "this is nearly impossible" levels
proud needle
*semi
thorny parcel
Nona is also unbalanced, so...
proud needle
BT-At-Home can only do so much as well
dire forge
okay okay ty ty
quartz current
There is a cat in this game so add that to the positives
spring socket
hi erm i was wondering if this is a good game to get, had it on my wishlist and...
It would be best to not ask the moderators about if the game is good or not tbh, as he said ofc they aee gonna say yes its their job
proud needle
Or just in the game server in general
Its the most biased place you can ask
No matter who you ask
spring socket
If it was still free on console id say play that for a few hours to grasp how the game is then buy it on pc
thorny parcel
It would be best to not ask the moderators about if the game is good or not tbh,...
Actually it isn't. If it was, I wouldn't mention any of its faults, and Cryorus wouldn't have said no to getting the console versions.
proud needle
^^
late lintel
So does consoles have dlc yet it's been forever?
proud needle
no dlc
505 still holding it hostage with technicalities and lazyness and incompetence
late lintel
Then why make a post giving our hopes up?
late lintel
It wasn't made clear
thorny parcel
"If you are on console and want to switch."
AKA run away from the console version, not wait for an update.
dire forge
It would be best to not ask the moderators about if the game is good or not tbh,...
tbh i had nowhere to ask cuz idk anyone who plays the game so i could only asked in the server
quartz current
I think it's logical. People know the game here and you're just shopping around for a game. Doesn't have to be deeper than that :]
proud needle
That is indeed logical ( but the argument about bias is also logical in the same vein)
cinder lintel
whats the best build for dog? reincarnation 9?
thorny parcel
Atomic Bomb.
cinder lintel
thanks! is the wiki up to date? 🙂
thorny parcel
Mostly, yes.
swift torrent
Finally did it and its still not enough but i can still go higher. 27b damage.
bro theres no way im ever competing with you with my birbs
man that is crazy, your avg run for you is like 4-7B and i just see this
gusty mountain
who's lion :u
marsh flame
does this affect anything if youre running tao witht he final talent?
thorny parcel
Yes.
You can still start recharging when you destroy breakable objects.
cyan cobalt
Finally beat Reincarnation 8! I find it impossible using anyone that isnt Nona and her Ironwing, which carried me 99% of the time
young goblet
Finally beat Reincarnation 8! I find it impossible using anyone that isnt Nona a...
have you considered turtling
grats tho
cyan cobalt
What's the game plan with Turtle?
Tbh it's abit unfortunate that for most characters, the only way to still do damage in R7+ is either miasma or skill damage..
thorny parcel
Uh, everyone can still do damage with weapons in R7+. The only difference being it has the possibility of not one-shotting everything.
last vine
trying to play someone other than Nona is so hard for me
I just die so fast without a big mech protecting me and distracting the enemies and reviving me
celest tundra
I just die so fast without a big mech protecting me and distracting the enemies ...
play multiplayer :3
young goblet
What's the game plan with Turtle?
Tbh it's abit unfortunate that for most char...
you put up your shield and run into things really fast
and they die
cyan cobalt
I just die so fast without a big mech protecting me and distracting the enemies ...
Same 🙂 My Ironwing literally took all the damage while I just hide in the corner taking potshots
Saw his health went from 1500 to 0 in like 2 sec and I was like "nope, no way I can play solo as anyone but Nona"
trim seal
To quote the famous game character: git gud
thorny parcel
Actually you don't even need to git gud anymore.
trim seal
Thats true
thorny parcel
Remember, spamming one-shot skills counts as not getting hit.
trim seal
I forgot everyone else is sane and plays busted builds
cyan cobalt
Btw for those who actually uses guns for R7+, what's your build and how to make it work?
gusty mountain
Use hexagon's "no u" skill.
proven sage
idk, gun build
proven sage
depends on weapon
proud needle
Double Hippo Meme Dream
cyan cobalt
depends on weapon
Yea but exactly what makes the weapon can do some damage without having to shoot a single flying saucer for 2 minutes straight?
trim seal
Damage
marsh flame
still struggling on nightmare but im determined to do it with tao
just a skill issue atm
young goblet
nightmare unironically harder than most reincarnations
trim seal
Thats true
marsh flame
is it because theres no ghost peddler or whatever hes called
cyan cobalt
is it because theres no ghost peddler or whatever hes called
Because there is no blessings that you can use to do some OP build, like Nona's Ironwing carry build
Reincarnation is only harder than Nightmare after R5 and when you got to Act 3+ to me, where the health scaling got really absurd on top of the enhanced stuff
But... at least you can still rely on your guns for Nightmare 🙂 you just have to think about surviving the early stuff
thorny parcel
The general consensus is that act 1 and maybe act 2 are the hardest parts.
The enemy's higher health scaling means very little because players scale exponentially faster than them.
So as a result, the game ends up being hardest when both the players and enemies are weak.
To show this, on the highest level where enemies receive the most benefit per-act, going from act 1 to act 2 is a +59% HP increase.
Act 2 to 3 is +44%, and act 3 to 4 (with Mysterious Jokul active) is +25%.
Some of the more average spiritual blessings give the player about +100%. The higher stuff gives around +300% to +1200%.
cyan cobalt
Yep. You can feel a huge difference in picking One Dog Army blessing for Dog and his run that doesnt. That single blessing alone covers the early game hell phase
ancient flicker
The general consensus is that act 1 and maybe act 2 are the hardest parts.
The ...
Hi, when will be the next update released
trim seal
tomorrow
ancient flicker
but like after many hours until next update i mean
trim seal
wdym
proud needle
The Update will be released when its. ready to be released
a specific point is not set
deep cipher
Zi Xiao became my favorite character to play after I understood how his playstyle works, which was also after I had done his exclusive frame challenge.
trim seal
i thought Zi Xiao was female based on looks
lavish lily
i thought Zi Xiao was female based on looks
Here he is, the legendary ornithologist who can determine the gender of any bird simply by its appearance
quartz current
Didn't notice the brown spec on the Torchic smh
proven sage
thats most people reaction to reading it the first time
pure pumice
is the game p2p or dedicated servers?
proud needle
Depends on the platform
Console uses the related network functions of PS or Xbox Live
Steam is pure p2p
pure pumice
really me and me freind live close to each other and we having 180 ping anything to solve that?
rose talon
Getting the feeling that spiritual assault isn't all that popular
thorny parcel
Definitely less popular than the main game mode.
• Only 1 location per run, lacking variety.
• 30 minutes of near-constant fighting. Some people don't like the constant stress.
• Requires aggressive play for additional stress, due to needing to keep up with enemy scaling.
• Failure to keep up with enemy scaling results in everything being super tough to kill.
• Multiplayer suffers from no true downtime, forcing all players to act quickly even when things are calm.
• Multiplayer makes people realize they have skill issue, because unlike the main game mode, you need a specialized build to keep reviving people without dying yourself.
• Only 1 boss, and given what people think of Gluttony in the main game mode, they're not spectacular to fight anyway.
trim seal
In my 3 or so minutes of fighting gluttony, i quite enjoyed it
thorny parcel
I think people prefer having to fight a near-equal opponent hyped up on aura juice that you can sabotage, with rapid attacks that need fast reactions and a climactic last stand where they need to finish their opponent off quickly before they get even stronger...
Instead of a giant ball of angry who stands still, ignores most of your damage unless you hit him in specific spots, has an attack you must hide from while doing almost nothing during, and ignores all attacks when he decides to get angrier.
last vine
is turtle fun
trim seal
Define fun
last vine
Define fun
being able to kill things and also going fast
trim seal
Ig yes then
gusty mountain
The running simulator.
royal plinth
does anyone know the update time
thorny parcel
Anywhere between now and later.
oak tusk
• Only 1 location per run, lacking variety.
• 30 minutes of near-constant fighti...
I agree.
I mean, I kind of enjoy Spiritual Assault, but the lack of downtime between hordes is a major annoyance.
Also, the desert is definitely easier to deal with compared to the fjord 'cuz enemies are overall weaker.
gusty mountain
The enemies are spread out more in the desert which makes it easier. I also think the spawn rate is lower. I haven't played that area in so long so don't take my word on it.
thorny parcel
From the few times I played Desert, there are fewer enemies, they don't spawn in places immediately in sight, and they're slightly tougher.
Additionally, I'm not sure if the experience drops were compensated with the fewer enemies, so leveling up proved to be harder too.
cyan cobalt
Sigh, Im such a noob. Cant even understand how the heck that launcher can deal 15mil damage 🙂
I suppose you never reload?
daring olive
does anyone know what time the update comes out?
gusty mountain
🥃
dire forge
any ideal weapons to use
i currently have like sniper gun and like a smg with unlimited bullets idk
not unlimited but has a big mag
80 ammo
oak tusk
For Spiritual Assault or just in general?
thorny parcel
Big fat "It depends" sticker slapped to this question.
Hero, difficulty, ascensions, scrolls, blessings, bizarre dream modifiers, inscriptions, desired playstyle...
All make some weapons horrible and some excellent.
dire forge
idk ive only js started the game so on like the first mission or wtv
oak tusk
Alright, so I guess you only have the Crown Prince.
Considering that he's an elements-focused character, weapons that deal elemental damage can be the way to go, for starters.
His grenades inflict Decay/Corrosion. If combined with Lightning weapons, you obtain Miasma, which is a beefed-up version of that status.
oak tusk
Yeah, the first times will be like that.
Then you start understanding how he works and you'll be like "ooooh, I see now".
thorny parcel
Exploration talent and survival talents.
Bonuses to survival are rarer than damage bonuses, and the Exploration talent lets you get access to extra loot.
last vine
does armed caster blessing work when your weapon isnt like visible (ex: using hardwood missiles)
dire forge
Exploration talent and survival talents.
both survival sides?
oak tusk
I think they meant "Expedition".
dire forge
yeah i did exploration and i did 1 for survival should i do both survival talents
thorny parcel
Might as well. Cost increases faster if you put it only onto single talents.
thorny parcel
Eh... Arsenal Raider and Skill Enhancement.
dire forge
okayyy ty
runic wigeon
I'd probably just invest in whatever you feel like, it's a solo/coop game and the early talents are cheap
thorny parcel
Early talents are cheap, but early runs are hard.
If someone wants to know what can help them the most, they deserve to be answered.
dire forge
do i still go down the survival path until i hit lvl 10 and can do more for expendition
thorny parcel
Pretty much. Know that shield usually ends up being more important than HP.
dire forge
i dont really need to touch battle, skill and hero then right?
thorny parcel
Only if you feel you're not doing enough damage later on.
You find plenty of damage bonuses during runs.
Though Skill does have a few useful things later, like cooldown reductions.
oak tusk
I'd say, if you get skilled enough to limit the damage you take (taking cover, dodging bullets, controlling the crowd, et cetera), you can start focusing on the other trees and move to the offensive.
oak tusk
Yep.
That's the thing with roguelikes. lol
But trust me, the better you get, the faster it'll go.
dire forge
so theres no reason to not upgrade my gun during it then
i had the thought of not using my gold cuz i keep it after lol
oak tusk
The first stage will seem very long during your first playthroughs, but you'll soon realize how short it actually is when your skill starts going up.
thorny parcel
Quite a bit, yes.
dire forge
is there one i should prioritise over the other
thorny parcel
Only based on what you already have.
For example if you have a cool fire weapon, Pyrodominance would be better.
But if you prefer slower, more powerful weapons, Energy Blade is more preferable.
thorny parcel
Only if you fail to heal yourself before taking high damage.
Otherwise, free money.
dire forge
okay np
oak tusk
Yeah, especially when in the future you'll increase the drop rate for health pickups.
By then, this will indeed become free money.
dire forge
craftsman person good or only do it when i have good guns
thorny parcel
Better if you do it with good guns, but if you need extra damage now, might as well do it anyway.
oak tusk
Well, it depends.
Considering that loot is randomized, sometimes you may end up waiting a lot for a good gun to come, and you may need the damage output now.
Sooo... I'd say pay him a visit even with what you have.
Yeah, exactly.
oak tusk
Hmm... Star Devourer always has Lightning damage, right Altanna?
thorny parcel
Hmm... Star Devourer always has Lightning damage, right Altanna?
Yep.
Which is partly why it sucks late-game.
dire forge
oak tusk
Hmm... it would synergize nicely with Crown Prince's grenades.
But the damage output is... eeeehhhh...
dire forge
do i pick it up rn or nah?
oh thats an illusion here infront of me
erm do i go into the dungeon i found?
oak tusk
Hmm... personally, I'd focus more on damage first and foremost.
I'd say, keep the Argus and power it up. Its projectiles are also fairly wide and can allow for crowd control.
If you then find a better weapon later in the game, pick it up.
Illusion is not bad, as it's essentially a fusion between a machine gun and a shotgun, but its damage output may not keep up with future stages.
dire forge
okay okay np
oak tusk
Don't be afraid to experiment in your first runs, anyway.
I mean... yeah, if you lose, you go back at the start of the game, but restarting and getting stronger by spending Soul Essence is also part of the game, so... in a certain sense, you make progress anyway.
Besides, if we consider that the game is essentially endless (even if you reach the end, another playthrough will always start from the first stage), you'll quickly realize that the real "progress" is you, the player.
When you eventually unlock enough stuff, especially Gemini Inscriptions, and start making combination of weapons, the game can turn into either seeking more challenge and going for higher difficulties, or seeking catharsis and find out how utterly broken you can get, just for the pleasure of laying waste of everything crossing your path.
Bonus points when you manage to do the latter on high difficulties. lol
thorny parcel
seeking more challenge
find out how utterly broken you can get
Both of those aren't mutually exclusive, unfortunately.
oak tusk
As someone who still get his butt handled to himself at Reincarnation 8 (and even 4) I respectfully disagree. lol
This is a skill issue, I know, but still.
thorny parcel
Merely taking Painkiller on Cat, regardless of difficulty for more challenge, will prove otherwise.
oak tusk
Guess I'll try that on my next run. lol
dire forge
yayyy onto 2nd boss
oak tusk
Noice! 💪
oak tusk
Welp, I jinxed it. lol
oak tusk
Oh yeh, the sand worm's annoying like that.
thorny parcel
Big Box and Exclusive Inscription, for sure.
thorny parcel
Matchmaking is... hit or miss. You'd be better looking for a group in a channel here.
The LFG channels, specifically.
dire forge
doubt anyone from eu is on since its 2am for me rn
oak tusk
Personally, I never do Matchmaking. I'd rather set something up with friends, or trustworthy people in general, so I know what kind of trouble I'm getting into. lol
Or what kind of trouble I get others into.
dire forge
when you say matchmaking hit or miss what do you mean
thorny parcel
It's often slow to find anyone.
And since it's an automatic process, you have pretty much no control over who it finds for you.
Even if the people it finds for you is "no one".
dire forge
okay cool i have the woodpecker
spring socket
@thorny parcel what time is update at?
summer ferry
<@280234817113686017> what time is update at?
ya im curious too
spring socket
Lets all ping altanna till he answers
Then after he does we go ask in the other chats
And then make a reddit form asking when update is
gusty mountain
Just looks like someone took a wheelsaw from starter chest and rerolled the inscriptions at a red chest after they upgraded it.
storm oxide
Just looks like someone took a wheelsaw from starter chest and rerolled the insc...
damn on point
dire forge
what now @thorny parcel
left cloud
"lackeys" 👀
cyan cobalt
does armed caster blessing work when your weapon isnt like visible (ex: using ha...
I think they do. I like to do the same stuff too
cyan cobalt
what now <@280234817113686017>
Expedition talent full priority, then survival, then the rest
The rest doesnt matter much altho skill damage is always nice. Prioritize some hero talent branch tho if possible (some heroes are gamechanging)
runic wigeon
I'd have to say, the difficutly bump from Elite to Nightmare has been rough for me
been struggling to even hit stage 3 in most runs
Assuming it's just a case of git gud?
trim seal
Outside rein, yes
thorny parcel
Yes, it does require a large jump in skill from the player.
But rest assured (or future dreaded), the difficulty spike is the biggest the game offers.
runic wigeon
Oh really? Reincarnation doesn't spike as much?
trim seal
it does, just you get stronger faster than enemies
thorny parcel
it does, just you get stronger faster than enemies
No it actually doesn't.
Well, besides act 2 and beyond health.
trim seal
oh ok
thorny parcel
But the act 1 HP scaling is less, all damage scaling is less, no increased enhanced enemy count, no increased trap count that I know of, elite enemies don't appear more often except when using Mysterious Jokul, Royal Guard or R9, more challenge events appear exclusively at R8+.
To get any scaling that might be more than Elite -> Nightmare, you have to go to R8 or R9. And even that's debatable since it often requires the enemies to stay alive longer than 3 seconds.
harsh wagon
is the tiger cannon worth a damn even with all these inscriptions
thorny parcel
Uhhhhhh...
For you, no.
marsh flame
oh sweet I didnt even know there was an update today
harsh wagon
o boi, guess it's down to luck in getting pole monarch and gluttony in a single run
Got gluttony but didn't make it to hyperborean in time, rip
thorny parcel
Apparently it isn't.
thorny parcel
If the dev comments in the update notes are correct, you always get the alternate act 4 boss on the first "loop".
harsh wagon
Huh, that's nice then
Surprised I even made it to endless mode on first try, been a while since I booted up Gunfire
but I guess painkiller + unga bunga grenade cat kinda just rolls everything
mystic beacon
lets go
deep cipher
Excited to try it out
last vine
whats better for monkey, primary build or secondary build?
also i heard the primary is affected by held weapon damage, does this mean weapon damage scrolls/assenscions will benefit it?
proud needle
Yes
last vine
is primary build or secondary build better?
proud needle
Primary is THE dmg king atm
Capable of so much dmg it insta kills Monarch and Gluttony
Weapon inscriptions are applied on the Primary
For example :
While holding a Sniper with " Chance to insta kill on Crit" can in fact insta kill with the primary
As sniper primary skill has a chance to crit on hit
indigo sage
first time trying out endless
honestly not a fan of the time limit
this feels like the much-disliked damage check that the pole monarch had on its release
proud needle
Its an odd thing
In a way its actually the limiter to late game runs
but weaker runs get downed by the clock FAST
winged vine
Wait. Can the insta kill trigger on bosses with monkey primary? I thought it stipulated that it could only kill normal mobs?
proud needle
No thats only normal mobs
The Sniper Monkey primary can insta kill through sheer dmg
basically outscales the "insta kill" dmg that is applied to enemies when it triggers
winged vine
Awesome thanks
raven flicker
Hey, my partner and I can't seem to get out of act 2 on r9. I have literally 0 trouble solo. But once I add one person. We just start getting one shot and mediocre scrolls.
I'm not sure what to do. Do we have to take overconsumption or painkiller in coop?
Getting out of act 1 and 2 advice welcome
obsidian thistle
Finally trying new things out in the game since I got stuck into the chain reaction build. And as a result of accidently picking up the Rainbow Arch, I think I have a new faovrite sniper even though it ijsn't a sniper
Nailing a fire one with all my +fire is just so much fun right now
thin wind
thorny parcel
How about a different challenge, then?
obsidian thistle
I think like 95% of my deaths are from being stupid. And it frustrates me. Only 5% was because I messed up, played bad. It almost always eh I don't pay attention
proud fable
How about a different challenge, then?
no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
thorny parcel
Yes yes yes.
Your new challenge is to beat the new bizarre dream modifier without running out of time.
quartz current
How was that
proud needle
Incredible fun
I only got my scaling aka Dual Edge and such at the end at Yokul
But managed to get through two extra acts before I got murdered by Elite Arsonists
I need to make a clip of it later but holy shit
with explosion size increases I cleared entire rooms
shoot , boom
room wipe
spark valve
atomic dog is good up until around round 30 then the damage falls off hard
slender sparrow
can you resume/continue a game in Coop on mobile??
rancid pine
can you resume/continue a game in Coop on mobile??
So I know if you can but if it is a coop game no, if it is a solo game yes but in coop no
slender sparrow
too bad, thanks!
rancid pine
too bad, thanks!
Yes to bad, if you have already started a game you have to finish it or die or leave, if someone leaves the game you can continue and finish it even if the others abandon the game you can finish it alone
void dune
For whatever reason my game is laggy as hell in my laptop
Which would run the game perfectly fine before
Oh I think I found the problem
For whatever fucking reason it seems my pc is only allocating 1gb of ram to the game
Yeah this shit just won’t run
Guess I’ll have to wait a few more months till I get my new gaming laptop to play
wispy lodge
please dev add the ability to save in multiplayer, coop endless run is torture.
serene totem
The Storm Chaser can't even reach Wind God.
proud fable
Yes yes yes.
Your new challenge is to beat the new bizarre dream modifier witho...
ask and you shall recieve (Also I can't really beat the new dream bc its infinite)
8.7 billion damage 
I wanna let it be known I could have kept going for another however many minutes but I didnt wanna bc braindead slogging away is not fun
thorny parcel
Failure. You ran out of time. Try again.
proud fable
Failure. You ran out of time. Try again.
I didn't even run out of time 😭
I just ended it after my first loop
thorny parcel
That's like saying you beat a run by ending it in act 3 instead of 4. Shame on you for using such technicalities.
proud fable
thorny parcel
Reach stage 9999999, then you can feel the satisfaction of beating the challenge.
proud fable
bro I feel like its not even possible to beat stage 20
Theres not really a good way to up your damage after you beat pole monarch/gluttony for the first time
sure you can "perfect" your ascensions, but that would only be a minute dmg increase because you already have all the super OP stuff
velvet hamlet
bro I feel like its not even possible to beat stage 20
absolutely is
proud fable
absolutely is
With what build?
velvet hamlet
i think someone got stage 75
velvet hamlet
monkey piercing flame
proud fable
that makes even more sense
proud fable
but you don't need to be a speedrunner
yeah but like
velvet hamlet
I'm a speedrunner, do you think I'm any good?
velvet hamlet
they have all the time skips
what do you think a timeskip entails
proud fable
- the 1 minute every scene
proud fable
what do you think a timeskip entails
idk
proven sage
What was that man smoking
nothing man 😭
proud fable
nothing man 😭
was it you walter
proven sage
velvet hamlet
literally most of speedrunning is kill fast skip vaults
proud fable
did you reach stage 75
proud fable
literally most of speedrunning is kill fast skip vaults
yes and in loops there are no vaults
proven sage
velvet hamlet
yeah, then kill fast
proven sage
👍
proud fable
yeah, then kill fast
What do you think I was tryna do man????
proud fable
I was runnning owl cards and was struggling to kill arsonists on stage 8 😭
proven sage
time to do a run,
velvet hamlet
time to do a run,
vc?
proven sage
sure
velvet hamlet
omw
proud fable
and beat stage 11
Hey man thats not very nice
next time I decide to torture myself I'll do li spiritual flame
that should carry me to stage 20
proven sage
when every enemy has minimum 1bil you need dmg cap +10 a second
harsh wagon
spring socket
@proven sage blade has no cap dmg right
vague sage
Lemme show ya a real mans damage numbers
proven sage
<@103189364984549376> blade has no cap dmg right
ice blades you mean? they are 10% uncapped
normal blades are 10mil
spring socket
Yeah
It says true dmg 10%
Isnt weapon build be better then?
The one that spawns a blade when u shoot them
proven sage
had 1 of that
serene totem
Holding W
proud needle
Okay One thing that I think needs to change :
The death recap
Absolute BULL that Ichty "killed" me when I was near him with 126 dmg
I had 300 hp
Showing a recap of the last 5 seconds and all dmg instances you took would be way better
And actually help people notice WHAT killed them
Am I salty ?
YES
Cause I tried yesterday and today to make the Double Storm Chaser work
And I finally got two of them with double exclusive inscriptions AND veteran to add to that
And then Ichty BS "one shots" me at 300 hp
proud fable
Absolute BULL that Ichty "killed" me when I was near him with 126 dmg
Yeah when I was playing yesterday I noticed I had a dmg reduction of -39%
and was fluctuating up to -75%
I'm not sure what it was about, because I didn't have any negative effects or sanguine relic. I had duel edge, but I got that after I noticed I had negative damage reduction
cyan cobalt
56 Elites! At the penultimate act before Final boss, the whole scene is filled with elite enemies 🤣
Act4 elites have ridiculous amount of health, but fortunately my Ironwing is equally ridiculous coupled with my 80% lightning + 65% corrossion miasma stacking
I did like 2% damage compared to my Ironwing, still.
simple lion
monkey piercing flame
did he run out of time or not enough dmg?
velvet hamlet
ask @royal anchor
spring socket
@simple lion he quit
plain pasture
unkempt pulsar
Crown Prince being the best character here with some veggie juice in a ball.
obsidian thistle
huh that was a weird glitch, I swapped weapon slots from the tab screen, and it swapped the first inscription between the weapons permanently. Really annoying since I wanted it on the weapon it was on
proven sage
try to recreate it, or recored it
obsidian thistle
I tried to recreate it, no idea what caused it
royal anchor
ask <@532235429223727104>
Whar, what is the question
proud fable
I did like 2% damage compared to my Ironwing, still.
Thats literally the definition of non-aura of venom nona
quartz current
I concur as someone that has definitely for sure absolutely played Nona before 
winged vine
Man I just can't quite get to two complete loops. Ive made it to the jokul several times but the numerous elites get me. What build are you guys using? I'm guessing it's gonna have to be painkiller on cat... I tried spores on bunny and just can't quite kill everything in time
royal anchor
Piercing flame monkey is easy stage 100+
gusty mountain
Painkiller cat only gets you so far. Tried it.
royal anchor
You dont have enough time to wait for DoTs
cyan cobalt
Man I just can't quite get to two complete loops. Ive made it to the jokul sever...
Painkiller took way too long to kill elites, so you have to somehow get enough movement scroll to just run and run while miasma do their job
velvet hamlet
Piercing flame monkey is easy stage 100+
you keep saying this
but you elaborate not
go on sir
thorny parcel
- Monkey.
- Piercing Flame.
- Exclusive inscription.
- Soul Strike.
celest tundra
- ???
- Profit
royal anchor
1. Monkey.
2. Piercing Flame.
3. Exclusive inscription.
4. Soul Strike.
To add on yo this to make it even more OP, painkiller and want it all go very well on the build.
Just adds aoe clear and more numbers
winged vine
Oh wow I understand the monkey now. I'm breezing through endless mode with him. I walk in the room and everything instadies. Thanks for the suggestion! Only thing is I'm using bloody drill instead of peircing flame. Is there much difference in performance? Why flame over drill? Is it for the elemental?
gusty mountain
"3. Exclusive inscription."
winged vine
Hell yes
Don't really need the exclusive inscription if everything instadies anyway though right? And the only threats are elite enemies anyway.
gusty mountain
The exclusive makes it so that you can still insta-kill everything in the higher stages.
When the enemies have high damage resistance.
royal anchor
Bloody drill or brick would be my second option for snipers
But i think if you arent using piercing flame a spirit argus would be better
harsh wagon
when starting a monke run, painkiller or ultimate firearm for the lone wolf blessing?
proud needle
Weird way to say Overconsumption
harsh wagon
Weird way to say Overconsumption
ngl I forgor this one existed lol, this run is going much better thanks to this
royal anchor
Weird way to say Overconsumption
Funny enough, copycat is better
lavish lily
I had the piercing flame but guess not the right inscription for it
piercing flame is a thing on monkey now?
harsh wagon
#1055548521861877781 message
according to this, yes
no idea what it means though, cause even trying to find a piercing flame is hard lol
lavish lily
oh, I see.
Counterviolence for Lone Wolf
Weapon Mastery first blessing
Hell/Argus main
something with 4,5 critx offhand
critx share gemini
lavish lily
attempt 3
That's pretty simple build, Counterviolence + shotgun should be enough to oneshot first 3 bosses
lavish lily
I haven't played for a couple of months, maybe the community has discovered some new and interesting builds
harsh wagon
I don't play often outside of updates/achievements to get tbh
and if I do it's usually not with monké
proven sage
oh, I see.
Counterviolence for Lone Wolf
Weapon Mastery first blessing
Hell/Arg...
na, its the PF dmg per penetrated enemy that stacks hard on Cudgel
proven sage
and i still dislike him 