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[thorny parcel]

These days that one isn't all that great either, because it implies you're hitting an enemy many times instead of deleting them instantly.

Still better than missiles at least.

[quartz current]

Yeah I don't recall the last time I unironically used a Laser Glove. Unfortunate considering it looks and feels cool to use.

I guess I'll pick up a dropped one early on in tombs maybe? But that's getting tossed as soon as basically anything else drops.

[south comet]

I use it occasionally because it's an injector that can actually kill stuff without a Gemini

Which makes it more palatable while I hold onto it and wait for a second weapon or Craftsman

[crimson plume]

I used to use it on tao when i first started to gain stacks of blades

I don't touch fire or lightning glove anymore

[south comet]

I recently figured out how radioactive gauntlets work and now I feel like they're one of the best weapons in the game

[quartz current]

Unsure why they decided to give the decay glove autoaim and shock glove's niche all under a better element but pop off

Radioactive Gauntlets are definitely A or S tier in terms of general weapon strength.

[thorny parcel]

And higher damage than Laser Gloves.

[south comet]

I think there's an argument for lightning being a better element once you've surpassed the need for crowd control

[thorny parcel]

And until the nerf, infinite magazine for free.

[south comet]

Wait really? Even with the stacking?

[thorny parcel]

The stacking muddies it a bit, but Laser Glove's base damage is 23, Radioactive Gauntlet's is 40 with enhanced lasers.

To reach 40 and above for Laser Gloves, it requires quite a few hits.

[quartz current]

To be honest I view decay as a better element because combustion/miasma are better options than miasma/manipulation

[thorny parcel]

Lightning is the worst element in all 3 ways it matters. Damage, elemental effect and fusion effects.

[quartz current]

But in terms of just plain damage I'd probably pick shock just because there's more shielded enemies. Not really enough of a reason tho.

It's still just worse.

[thorny parcel]

Damage:
• Fire gets an advantage because all enemies (besides Armored enhanced) have at least some amount of HP, especially bosses, which almost all of them are majority HP.
• Corrosion gets an advantage because Armor is the only thing normal damage is penalized against, so corrosion is the only damage type without a penalty against Armor.
• Lightning... gets nothing.

[quartz current]

Shout out to Arc Light for being the best kunai regardless tho DLC privilege yay

[south comet]

Shock is a +10% damage multiplier, which is the most useful one if you're not building heavily into elemental stuff

[thorny parcel]

Elemental Effect:
• Burning sucks when used with rapid-fire weapons, but it can practically double the damage of single, powerful hits.
• Decay gives enemies -50% movement speed. This is a massive debuff and helps out with aiming.
• Shock... is +10% damage.

[quartz current]

For me it's > > unless the DoT is pitiful, then is better.

[thorny parcel]

Fusion Effects:
• Fire gets Combustion/Manipulation. Manipulation isn't really important if you can use Combustion to kill enemies quickly though.
• Corrosion gets Combustion/Miasma. Both are great damage options, either if your build is good, or your build is bad.
• Lightning gets Manipulation/Miasma. You only get the ability to play defensively, or do damage over time that your weapon doesn't affect. You cannot blow up enemies instantly.

Probably the only thing Lightning has going for it is the fact that Pole Monarch's charging phase is almost entirely Shield.

[quartz current]

I wouldn't call shock bad, it's just I think the other effects are more useful. Still, as you say, if you're not going elemental the damage bonus doesn't hurt. The decay slow is pretty useful tho :]

Hard not to gemini either with Fire tho for the HP damage boost/fusions.

[thorny parcel]

Oh yeah, I also forgot. Decay also helps with keeping away from enemies. Against certain enemies that murder you if they get close it's borderline mandatory.

[south comet]

If I see the knight boss in act 1 and I don't have a slow...I just leave lol

*miniboss

[quartz current]

Yeah it's all fun and games until he hits you with that triple deluxe

It's partially why Crown Prince is so good early game--he has built in mitigation with both skills.

[south comet]

I really struggle with crown prince early game, that boss is there only place he shines for me. The lack of offensive skills and move speed really hurt

Though I recently tried overconsumption on him and it fits really well

I'm still looking for a build to beat r8 with him

[quartz current]

I mean if you want an easy time there's always Painkiller + Endless Assault start via Lone Wolf

Can sub Endless for Overconsumption if you're not worried about nade spam as much. You can get by without it usually.

[south comet]

I've been meaning to try painkiller on him. Seems pretty good

I haven't tried any bizarre dream mods yet

[quartz current]

Painkiller is a great starting blessing for him even without dream mods so def try it when you get a chance. Basically makes the first two acts a cake walk minus mayyyyybe a boss or armored prefix enemy.

[south comet]

What do you recommend for weapons and Gemini?

[quartz current]

If starting Painkiller look for weapons that have a good effect% and hit often. The Porcupine is a must pick, but a Pupil, Fire Dragon, Justice, Radioactive Glove, Prism etc. are all fine too. From there it's really just whatever elemental weapon you feel like--prioritize Pyrodominance even if you're not using a fire weapon for the level 3 effect. Energy Blade is great for big combustion setups, otherwise Wildfire gives a huge boost even at level 1 to RoF. Elemental Rage is just more damage, Toxic Smoke buffs your nades, and Energy Echo exists if you're going kitty primary fireworks build w/Splinter Orb.

Notable weapons:
Crimson Firescale -- Does a little of both when it comes to rapid hits and big hits
Aura of Venom -- Insane fire rate and element stacking
Icy Spear -- Most fun weapon in an Energy Blade build but requires some effort and RNG to pull off well
Lightning Ksana -- Big shock blaps--enhanced shots are guaranteed to apply
Fire Tower -- Whoosh whoosh whoosh whoosh whoosh
Pupil -- Obligatory pupil on cat reference because it's a classic

A lot of other weapons if elemental work well too, these are just a few. Gemini should ABSOLUTELY be element share offhand with maybe the exception of using a mainhand. Then is fine.

Double isn't bad either but now that combustion is hardcapped I'd just mix both.

[south comet]

Thanks. What about it is hardcapped?

[thorny parcel]

It's got a 0.12 second cooldown between triggers, per enemy.

So while having 2 fire weapons will increase your chance of Burning, if both weapons trigger Burning at the same time, only 1 will cause Combustion to happen.

[south comet]

Hmm... If I have two fire weapons combined, are the effect chances added or calculated one after the other?

I thought they'd be added

[quartz current]

Nope--they roll their % chance independently just like two different elements would.

So back when double Fire Tower builds were a thing on kitty it'd be broken down like:
75% burn, 25% miss, 25% double burn (assuming both Fire Towers are 50%)

[thorny parcel]

(Technically 25% miss, 50% single burn, 25% double burn)

But since the double burn doesn't actually give anything extra, besides stuff for Li, it's usually just 25% miss, 75% burn.

[proven sage]

ye olden days

[stuck orchid]

hello, I want to play in Daily Challenge mode, but it is saying that it is connecting to the server and never connects, is anyone experiencing this?

[proud needle]

At work and my steam is in offline mode right now sonit would say the same

[stuck orchid]

sorry, I didn't understand, sonit? I wanted to know if the server is having a problem, or if it's just me that this is happening

[proud needle]

thats a typo…

so it

[dull plaza]

Check steam uptime

[ripe tapir]

If you're using Concealed Ammo with dog's Ember eruption, if you use the right click, does it get ember's buff?

[thorny parcel]

Only if your magazine was less than or equal to the threshold.

[ripe tapir]

Ah okay, wasn't sure if it'd give it or not

thanks

[pseudo edge]

pls react to this message if you would no longer say the game was fun/worth playing if the devs nerfed players' power levels all around by default (like by reducing the number of chests available to you per act or adding a baseline scroll limit) and instead added per-run microtransactions that would allow players to get back to the current power levels. i want to prove a point to myself

[mossy sequoia]

If they added microtransactions like that, I would just leave

[wise ibex]

Hello, how do you do damage in spiritual assault mode, because after several stages the enemies basically become damage sponges and I feel like I don't have any damage. what am I doing wrong?

[exotic cobalt]

Oh thank god, Elite Assassin! Useful! 😄

[proud needle]

You lost the coin toss

Enhanced would still have been useful

[exotic cobalt]

The funny thing is

There was a red chest here due to firewolfy having eye of providence

and I quote: "If that red chest was to upgrade a scroll to enhanced, this would be the best scroll ever to find - but because this red chest did not have it, this was the worst scroll to find" XD

[brave pivot]

earlier today I watched the SGDQ gunfire run and it inspired me to try the same

my first attempt, Rein 8, lone wolf 2: 17:49

since there seem to be only 2 runs in that category that would place me in number 3 I guess 😂

[heady gyro]

Yeah, the blessing from Lone Wolf 2 is so strong that it's clearly worth for speedrunning

[royal plinth]

i have no idea what im doing with the owl or gunner dog

the owl espeically

im trying to beat normal or elite at least once with each character before i do... whatever is after nightmare

hands down though, Fox, Panda, Bunny, and Monkey are my favorites

[thorny parcel]

Trying to play the game in the challenging way as much as possible, huh? Good on ya I applaud this method of play.

[keen sinew]

Hey, I started playing recently, but I can't find proper controller sensitivity/acceleration that would feel good.

It's not that sensitivity settings are missing because you can configure quite a lot of stuff, but I just can't get it right. I've played with various sensitivity / sensitivity curve / acceleration / delay settings, but no matter what I do, aiming always feels sluggish compared to other FPS games I've played with a controller.

Do you have any tips for me? What are your preferred controller settings?

[rough basin]

👎👎👎

[proven sage]

the vault never existed

[mossy sequoia]

I've been starting to hate Elite Horsehead more than Elite Spinboy

[hoary sparrow]

whats the highest lei luo dmg build

[ripe heath]

I think i just ran default sense

I changed buttons tho

[lavish marten]

question for the devs , any eta on the switch port? Im asking because i know you are the devs porting it

[proud needle]

Thats not true and I dont know where you got that info from @lavish marten

A Switch port was never planned and the console ports are done by 505 Games

[crimson plume]

https://twitter.com/GunfireReborn/status/1536044845801742337

[proud needle]

That was last year

The switch port is just a mention and isnt officially announced in any form

Right now only PS and Gamepass had been announced when development was done

And given the current situation I hope you can put 1 and 1 together as to why there is no announcement for Switch atm

Concerning console : its an absolute standstill atm

[crimson plume]

It was still mentioned they have plans for a switch version and because of that it shows up on wikipedia lmao

[proud needle]

HAD plans

[crimson plume]

not to say wikipedia is to be trusted

[proud needle]

from a YEAR ago even before the disaster of Xbox

And its nothing more than that , a plan for a maybe

With whom the port will be done or still at all is not confirmed as of now

[crimson plume]

right... but you said there were never plans. they never said that they had cancelled all plans for a switch port. so it is to be believed that there is still potential plans for one

[ripe heath]

How do you deal with bosses as

He seems to be focused around getting kills

[gusty mountain]

Get up and personal with a shotgun or melee weapon.

[ripe heath]

What is the best build

Secondary skill or primary skill

[gusty mountain]

Depends on the difficulty.

[ripe heath]

I'm on normal ATM ( I only have 6 hours so far)

[gusty mountain]

Either build works on normal.

[ripe heath]

On higher difficulties does one become better

How does difficulty affect it?

[crimson plume]

Reincarnation provides new unique buffs for abilities

Via spiritual blessings

Some are better than others

But they drastically increase damage of abilities and builds

[ripe heath]

Is it more fun on higher difficulty

[crimson plume]

I'd say so but funilly enough it's less difficult. nightmare is considered the hardest difficulty

[ripe heath]

Do I need to beat nightmare to unlock it

[crimson plume]

yep

or have someone in a group bring you to that difficulty, then you'll unlock it if you beat it

[ripe heath]

So it normal-elite-nightmare-rencarnation

[crimson plume]

then reincarnation goes from 1-8

reincarnation 9 is coming out later this year

[ripe heath]

So like eclipse from ror2

[ripe heath]

Nice

[languid finch]

Its so goofy they hold small weapons like that but what can you do lol

[rough basin]

on the snow map, there is this sniper mini boss. is there a way to know which of the 3 that he splits into is the real one?

[proud needle]

Yes

First dying to him gives you a hint
Observe them and look for something special about one

if you cant find that out or too lazy or dont care : || The clones only shoot once , the real one fires three shots in succession ||

[exotic cobalt]

A few other tips: ||The real one cannot manipulate their health, so if they're cursed with something like Moldy Bun - remember the % of health they had left before splitting. The clones will appear with wrong amounts of health, while the real one stays consistent|| - ||The clones are extremely weak in comparison to the main one. Figuring out which one's health dips the smallest amount when shot confirms which one is the clone and which one is real|| - ||All (Clones and main ones) hurt hard when they hit you, but you can tell which one it is not even by visuals alone what @proud needle tipped, but also audio.|| - ||While the elite splits and removes status effects that you think won't defer which one is which - there IS one status effect it cannot rid of that makes it stand out after splitting. There is a marking effect that is attributed to sniper-type weaponry (specifically, the Strike Wing I know of to be the most consistent) that it cannot remove upon splitting. Once they split, aim your crosshair over each one to see which one is the one with a mark. You must hit the correct one with a marking shot prior to a split||

[dull plaza]

Are you using geminis

[south comet]

The real one glows a pinkish color

[south comet]

Thanks, I was able to get my first r8 win with cat! Painkiller is kinda nuts

[tulip spear]

So I’ve been having a bug where in Co-op the person who’s not hosting, if they’re down (not fully dead) when everyone in the lobby dies, they get glitched and have to reset game and don’t get rewards for the match. Anyone know how to fix this

[crimson plume]

Also I'm pretty sure the real one is always the first to move.

[proud needle]

Nah

sometimes they dont move at all after splitting again

[exotic cobalt]

True.

Also many forms can move them, explosive/combustion/etc

A turtle moving as a freight train

[quartz current]

Hell yeah

[exotic cobalt]

Can someone explain please?

[proud fable]

Explain what?

Oh shit 48 million damage?

[rose tapir]

They BUFFED this??
[Pair of Us] (Exclusive to Nona)
Old: Iron Wing will not be knocked down as long as Nona is standing. +1% DMG for each 1 HP Iron Wing currently has.
New: Iron Wing will not be knocked down as long as Nona is standing. +1% DMG for each 1 point of HP capacity Iron Wing has.

[proud fable]

You clearly haven't been playing this game long enough

Devs buff the strong and let the weak die

including overpowered blessings

[rose tapir]

Ah yes, 600% max extra damage on stage one can be diminished by letting Iron Wing go fight the enemies by himself, causing it to drop. Let's just make it a constant now, so you can be as reckless as you want.

It's just so funny that first pass they saw "potential 7x damage for free" and OK'd it.

It goes up to what, 17x at last stage?

[thorny parcel]

Remember, these are the same developers that think "You can see vaults/red chests, and get +1 red chest per act" is the same as "Throw up to 48 grenades at once for free, each dealing up to 1100% damage".

[rose tapir]

Also is "attack power" just damage?
Devs randomly threw in that phrase for one of Zi Xiao's ascensions.

[proud fable]

gotta make it sound cool

[thorny parcel]

Attack Power is Iron Wing - Strike Mode's base damage.

[proud fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rose tapir]

Coulda sworn I've seen Attack Power for Zi Xiao though, the owl.
It probably just means damage.

[tulip spear]

Anyone know?

[thorny parcel]

Gamepass bug with crossplay.

There's some way to circumvent it, but I don't remember exactly.

Alternatively, don't crossplay.

[exotic cobalt]

I had next to literal nothing for damage on my ascensions, nothing to help my damage that hard in scrolls (yeah the random enhanced elite assassin near the end is a buff - but THAT much of a buff?)

I could not figure out what caused it.

[proud fable]

My guess is you procced some crazy ass combustion

[exotic cobalt]

But I got electricity and decay ; -;

[solemn sundial]

is there any downside to transendant arsernal?

[crimson plume]

You miss out on a few chests from the last vaults as the armory guy replaces them

[solemn sundial]

ah

[proud fable]

Doesnt it also make vaults have demonic aura challenges?

[proud fable]

Fire barrel?

[gusty mountain]

I wouldn't call that a downside since it can give you an extra scroll.

[proud fable]

In R8 isn't that like

super rare

[gusty mountain]

No

[proud fable]

huh ok

its like mysterious jokul then

Downside with a bunch of upsides

[gusty mountain]

It's funny when you get the foundry event in an elite vault. Free vault.

[proud fable]

can you get it for the dragon qian

thats an even free-er vault

[south comet]

I love that event lol

[south comet]

I'm getting to the point where I just don't want to run spores anymore because they're too strong. What are some weapon combos people like to use?

Miasma is decent with porcupine or pupil. Critx for sniper builds

[proud needle]

I just run and dont min max

Take whatever the game throws at me and go

Often not even using gemini

[solemn sundial]

how do i change the items at the pedler with the new look talent

[proud needle]

Reroll

at the bottom of the shop

[solemn sundial]

ah its just that

[proud needle]

just that

Note : bought weapons and scroll slots are not refreshed

only bought ammo , skill use and buns are refreshed

[solemn sundial]

ty

[mossy quest]

whose up for a game

[sage cliff]

was wondering id any one knew if they are planning to bring gunfire to switch in the future?

[proud needle]

#1055548521861877781 message @sage cliff

TLDR : Not at the moment

[sage cliff]

aw thats sad oh well maybe some day

[proud needle]

Given how 505 fucked up Playstation and Xbox/Gamepass I wouldnt put high hopes on that

[sage cliff]

ty for the info sorry to bother you

[proud needle]

Thats no bothering

Thats just asking genuine questions

[sage cliff]

switch is my main game platform is why i asked btw

[lavish lily]

They should rename to 404 Games

[sage cliff]

in quite new to gunfire so trying learn to play it on steam gotta get used to keyboard mouse games again x3

[lavish lily]

You can use peasant controller anyway...

• there are tons of controller settings in game

[verbal pine]

Any luck with the begging 505 to update the platform versions?

[thorny parcel]

Nope.

[verbal pine]

Great :/

[heady relic]

out of the borders what are the ahrdest to get?

[lavish lily]

according to GF twitter they are(505 games) "working on it". No ETA

[velvet hamlet]

maybe dog's

[quartz current]

Dog's is just getting Battle-Tested III and maybe Ammo Expert 1. It's not difficult beyond ascension rng imo.

[velvet hamlet]

never been able to get it

maybe im just stoopy

[crimson plume]

just get strive to survive and you can shoot forever

[elder chasm]

Can anyone recommend a strong character to play with my current tree? Don't have a ton of time on my hands currently and just want to get to "rebirth" as fast as I can. I've been playing Li mostly

[mossy sequoia]

rebirth?

[bronze crater]

they probably mean the Reincarnation difficulty

[quaint valve]

What difficulty do y'all like to play on? When I'm not trying to push my Reincarnation level, I usually play Reincarnation 1 for fun.

[elder chasm]

yea i meant reincarnation, sorry about that

just want to try out all of the bonuses

[bronze crater]

i personally play on reincarnation 8, both alone and with friends

[verbal pine]

Oooh thats good news. Thnx for the answer

[lavish lily]

You can follow https://twitter.com/GunfireRebornJP
Yea, jp, but they are working(aka answering), unlike global GF community managers and 505 games

[gusty mountain]

"good news"

[verbal pine]

Is it bad news?

[gusty mountain]

Well considering how long they've been "working on it"

I wouldn't really call it good news.

Just news

I wouldn't get my hopes up.

It's like Terraria all over again.

[velvet hamlet]

R1 and only R1

[opal geyser]

nightmare if i want a more balanced casual experience and r8 if i'm doing self-imposed challenges, lately it's mostly just been nightmare though

[radiant crystal]

is there a way to see what your teammates had for ascensions in the challenge log

[gusty mountain]

challenge log?

Are you talking about the results screen or player information?

Because the answer is no for player information.

You should be able to see them in the results screen though.

[radiant crystal]

player information

i had a monkey teammate that did hella damage and i wanted to see what his build was so i screenshotted at the result screen but i lost it

tried to go back to player information thought i could see it

[south comet]

Do the devs read the suggestions channel in this discord?

[thorny parcel]

Sometimes.

[brave pivot]

does skill freak apply to the mark damage from fatal bloom that gets triggered every 12 hits?

if so, does it skill freak also apply when when you don't even use your secondary to apply the marks like through blossom enthusiast?

[proven sage]

every time fatal bloom does dmg it procs Skill Freak

[brave pivot]

thanks

[crystal linden]

Hey guys I bought the game this week, can't play multiplayer don't know why. All my friends can play together and I spend 20€ for nothing. Is there a fix or an update date? (Ps5 also the ps4 version)

I tried both

[gusty mountain]

Are they on the same console?

[cloud tinsel]

how do people get those +300 weapons?

[thorny parcel]

4 player groups and complete devotion to a single weapon.

[quartz current]

4 players, start Craftsman Inheritor, reset at around 1-3 or 1-4 if nobody gets Hidden Transaction. Pray for an upgrade scroll to enhanced red chest early [if Hidden Transaction isn't already enhanced].

[mild veldt]

Tips on beating nightmare mode?

[quartz current]

Character?

[mild veldt]

Any non dlc ones tbh

I usually play cat though

[quartz current]

Do you know much about elemental fusions yet? Like and being combustion, etc.

[mild veldt]

Yeah

I'm lvl 106 or so and I think I just suck lol

[quartz current]

For cat I usually recommend people pick a or weapon since he gets free . He is the slowest character so it helps to nade threats like arsonists so they're slower/take movement speed scrolls.

Advanced Shield is a pretty strong defensive ascension too.

[mild veldt]

I usually go for lightning guns, and elemental goblet upgrades over grenade ones, and grenade over anything else

[quartz current]

The red ascension tree is generally good, Energy Blade on the purple tree can be a huge damage boost if you're running a weapon that is a big hit/Icy Spear cheese. Hex Smoke is also generally useful.

[mild veldt]

Yeah nah I can't hit crits for the life of me, so I usually never take anything that makes non crits bad

I've recently been taking a liking to the pupil because of spread

Also what do you mean icy spear cheese, what's that

[quartz current]

It's a great cat weapon.

Honestly it takes a bit to explain the icy spear strats and you probably wouldn't like it. But essentially you can make several spears get the Energy Blade buff and do great damage.

[mild veldt]

Oh

Freeze the enemy and then press right click?

[quartz current]

Throw several spears at your feet then right click on an enemy further out.

[mild veldt]

Oh wow the range is that good?

[quartz current]

It can be. The spears fly from your feet out to your crosshair a good distance away then return directly back to you like a zig zag. The entire zig zag gets the buff.

(So long as your throw the spears after you use your primary skill to trigger Energy Blade)

[mild veldt]

Oh I see

I thought the energy blade only increased the first hit on the frozen enemy

[quartz current]

It's your next hit on any enemy after using primary. The spear recall for whatever reason counts as one hit in the context of Energy Blade. It's an exception.

[mild veldt]

Oh wow

Interesting

[quartz current]

Probably my favorite build in the game but it's niche and other builds are better overall. Nightmare is hard because there's no blessings yet so you have to focus more about positioning and taking out large threats or dodging them until you can.

[mild veldt]

Hmm I'll try it out thanks!

[quartz current]

For sure. If you can manage it, it's probably strongest with either a CritX share gemini or what I normally do: Elemental share with (even if the spear isn't elemental)

Notable spears are ones with RoF increases. Therefore Wildfire on the red tree is a super good pick too.

[thorny parcel]

Actually it buffs entire shots while active. It deactivates when you hit an enemy.

So every shot you make before hitting an enemy gets the buff.

It's why it also works for Justice. Technically it might also work on stuff like Frenzied Shark and Tiger Cannon, if you are far enough from the enemy.

[quartz current]

True.

[quaint valve]

Any tips for surviving Spiritual Assault as Tao?

[still jacinth]

Fellas

I've done it

I beat Adventure on Normal using only bricks

The journey begins

[royal plinth]

W

[quaint valve]

How good is the Star Ring for Tao?

[thorny parcel]

Low hit count, moderate ammo consumption that can guarantee Warlike Blade stacks each weapon skill use, but I'm not sure if it cares about Warlike Blade's RoF bonus.

[tawny halo]

How come I cant type in north america LFG?

[proud needle]

Seems like Discord is drunk in general

I couldnt type in several other channels as well

so not a „us“ issue but Clyde being drunk

[royal plinth]

we got to the end with a Li, Owl, and Nona, i dropped a few times but it was just explosions fireballs cards

we walked in and was like, we will end this man's whole career

[mossy sequoia]

Check out #1116489527872204932, I know its been a fairly common issue

[brave pivot]

does the scalpel in double shot mode shoot as fast as the angelic aura?

[crimson plume]

i think the rof is the same yes

[crystal linden]

Eyo they did a hotfix (not working still)

[thorny parcel]

The projectiles and ammo consumption per second is the same. The RoF remains at 12, vs 24.

Small detail, but probably important somewhere.

[quaint valve]

Are there any cursed scrolls that can actually be considered beneficial for some builds?

[gusty mountain]

yes

[quaint valve]

...Any examples?

[gusty mountain]

cautious shot and deadly counter

[thorny parcel]

Shared Adversity and Evil-Devouring Sword/Good and Evil.

Sabotaged Magazine on Swords Out builds.

Stubborn Stance and any jerkass teammate that wants to be the protagonist by demanding your scrolls.

[quaint valve]

Does the turtle prefer Paranormality or Flesh and Bones?

[thorny parcel]

Paranormality 100%.

[quaint valve]

👍

[thorny parcel]

Quick recovering shield that starts fast, and Ebb & Flow lets him immediately restart it with +50% speed.

Any other bonuses to max shield also get multiplied by Unfathomable Ocean.

[quaint valve]

Grab Effective Split
Deadly Curse
Oh nice
Take It All
...This is gonna bite me in the ass

[thorny parcel]

Not like you could drop Deadly Curse anyway, because Effective Split.

[quaint valve]

Oh I'm saying that for Take It All because I like to take gambles but sometimes I need to drop something bad

[thorny parcel]

Fair.

Just wait, the game will give you another Effective Split or Curiosity Box later.

[south comet]

just lost a run with a pretty fun build. Was doing a fatal bloom build with Thorny bloom, armed caster, skill freak. Then I got a porcupine with an RoF on crit inscription, and because of the projectiles that translated to +100% RoF for one crit

absolutely shredded the second boss, then died kiting enemies in the third act bc I didn't notice I had the foundry challenge 😭

[quaint valve]

Gourmet+Bluff combo
Nice
Sanguine Relic
Hmm?
Flesh and Bones
Oh boy
Persistent
Oh yeah. It's all coming together.

Resolute
OHHHH YEAH BABY

[south comet]

damn that's a combo

what do yall think about 3rd time's unlucky? I've been avoiding it bc I thought it triggered from the chest at the end of every stage...lol. It seems like a good tradeoff for just not using mysterious chests

unless you get evil-banishing

[thorny parcel]

Used to be great when Evil-Devouring Sword was a multiplicative bonus (I haven't personally tested the change but...).

[south comet]

I guess, how do people handle cursed scrolls in general? I tend to avoid them bc I'm risk-averse

[thorny parcel]

Most cursed scrolls barely do anything.

The ones that do actually do something meaningful may not because of your build.

So it only rarely has an actual impact.

[exotic cobalt]

Triggers off of every 3 red chests, and it's a useful link scroll. Especially if you care about weapon damage, but if you got evil devouring and evil banishing - it's just a solid pick. Take it all + that = quick curse gain. Sometimes ye don't wanna use an option of a chest though

fun fact, the enhanced one still can give you a damned curse

[opal sorrel]

Anyone got some tips for playing turtle boy? Like what weapons I should be aiming for or something

[compact pasture]

is blessing in disguide actually a blessing in disguide

[proven sage]

na, its a scroll

[teal wave]

"sorry i got it from occult split, cant drop it" it works alot

[exotic cobalt]

"Ah yes, and would you like my dual edge and deadly curse with that as well?"

[heady gyro]

Take it all is a great scroll to end teammates asking for your shit : 😁

[royal plinth]

man this guy doesnt know how to handle iron wing right

[heady gyro]

Act 4 it's just a straight buff

[royal plinth]

this golem boss can go to hell

did it come from hell? it can stay there

[still jacinth]

Clearly it's the mountain spirit

[royal plinth]

the annoying major lazor beams and the damn skip a do we can too homing rocks that go around the world just to hit you

[still jacinth]

Just throw a brick at the rocks

[royal plinth]

i rather fight el tigre

i was running Nona trying to show this Nona how to handle the bird right

[proven sage]

hit it

[royal plinth]

im like mate, we are at the hardest difficulty possible as far as i know, the bird needs to be in strike mode until we get to the boss to draw aggro

and im watching him keeping he bird in turret mode barely moving it

granted i saw our pulls and they suck at the start

but i think i know how to handle nona and the bird decently

[royal plinth]

im still new to the game so once i figure out how to keep nona from being 1-hit KO when im trying to revive i think i got it

[still jacinth]

Look I flipped The Table

[royal plinth]

i swear ive been flipped in every single server im in

[still jacinth]

You kinda ask for it with a name like that

[royal plinth]

i like being the table

while it's origin is lame, the meaning i give to it is what matters

[still jacinth]

As with any name

That's respectable

[royal plinth]

I respect anyone with Brick in their name

solid

dependable

simple

[still jacinth]

Rectangular?

[royal plinth]

and memey

that too

[still jacinth]

Perhaps you and I are not so different, Mr. or Ms. The Table

[royal plinth]

thats a good thing i hope

[royal plinth]

my friends i got the game for calls the random chest "Chat Boxes" and now i cant not call them that anymore

[warped quiver]

Masochism

Nah it was too easy

NOW it's masochism!

[proven sage]

with Twingunner

and Depo

Then Enhanced Ammo

[warped quiver]

[warped quiver]

I'm playing it rn and I've already gotten a cursed scroll

can't screenshot it but it's "Cursed Magazine": When reloading, there's a 33% chance to double the ammo consumption

[proven sage]

if you ain’t consuming over 100 shells per mortar shot you ain’t doing it right

[warped quiver]

Just failed

trying again

failed again

I quit

[proud fable]

Fun fact for the laser: if you just hold right or left and dash when the laser shoots, you don't get hit like, 95% of the time

In my experience, anyways

[gusty mountain]

You don't even have to dash you can just move left/right and jump.

[proud fable]

Oh dam

[proud fable]

Holy shit I just beat the challenge part of a parkour vault in 4.5 seconds

Tiger + Sword + Abnormal Speed + Overconsumption + Improved Clip + Primary ability

It could have been even better with bird lmao

[exotic cobalt]

But have you beaten it to where you can't even open the chest cause you never started the timer? :p

[proud fable]

Ohh I think I know which vault that is

[exotic cobalt]

desert one

ye can skip the whole parkour, but you can't open teh chest cause it waits for you to pass the beginning section of the side path

[proud fable]

Theres two

but yeah the one with the corrosive ball traps right

[gusty mountain]

I remember when that vault used to have an enemy in it instead of corrosive balls.

[proud fable]

Ye

bandit tactician

[quartz current]

Neat first goblet. Almost want to just leave it lol.

[thorny parcel]

Chained Duration can at least do something.

If it had been Electrodominance, Backpack Expansion and... I dunno... Energy Bolt on the other hand.

[acoustic valve]

Anyone playing right now

[thorny parcel]

-lfg

[kindred mauve]

To play with other players, head over to the Looking For Group channels and follow the instructions:
#1064937664870101033

[heady gyro]

I'd prefer Electrodominance since it could help strive to survive bloody ammo thunder screen

Which is more useful than increased stun duration IMO

[gusty mountain]

That's very specific.

[proven sage]

get skill dmg instead

[royal plinth]

question: how can i tell what weapons count as pistols?

without having to stop and read in the menu?

i should mention i play on the Steam Deck, and even docked reading gets a little hard

the wiki isnt too helpful on this

[royal plinth]

ah yes

a spear is a pistol

want to see texans try to conceal carry that

[lament kettle]

anyone know if you can get the Fully In Control achievement if using Lone Wolf?

[proud needle]

okay slight vent here :

For a long time we had been asked "how can I know what weapon type X is without opening the main menu or wiki ?"

Now we got that ingame and we get "how to I know without opening the menu ?"

Is that really too much time asked ?

This isnt personally but the development of this was forseeable and its just a teensy tiny bit annoying to see that question after we finally got the in run options not long ago

Buuuuut

if you are console : legit question

Steam : Open the god damn menu

[exotic cobalt]

B-but... I got to know my spear is a pistol in under 3 seconds without opening the menu because I have a monkey player who thinks they're the protagonist of the run and started the teleporter before I even got into the vault - so I need all the spare time

[modest hearth]

Hey guys, i play with the fire fox i really love her. what weapon should i combine with here?
im stuck at Elite i cant finish it, i didnt pass the 2nd floor
any tips?

[royal plinth]

and the randoms i play with are impatient as hell

[proud needle]

Then I call legitimate bullshit on that

This menu shows the weapon type

if you play with people who cant wait 1-2 seconds they are absolute asshats

[proud fable]

Sunder is a pistol

So why does monkey cudgel treat it like a shotgun

Also are we gonna talk about how broken monkeys new blessing is

When I was playing sniper monkey cudgel build I was doing damage cap on every throw

Now imagine that with shotgun cudgel buff

Or launcher

[lavish lily]

+25% projectiles Wand Them ALl vs +75% projectiles on Weapon Mastery. IDK man, looks pretty pathetic

[proud needle]

it doesnt ?

Thats very clearly a Pistol when holding Sunder

[proud fable]

No the attack

The icon says pistol

Is it just cuz the sunder has multiple projectiles

[thorny parcel]

Because it still hits many times for weapons that have many projectiles.

[proud fable]

I didn't know this

[thorny parcel]

Double Caiber and Talisman will likely receive the same treatment.

[proud fable]

I thought it just gave you a buncha more smaller numbers from cudgel

[proud fable]

U right I got em mixed

Launcher tho

is that AoE damage cap

[lament kettle]

hey sorry to ask again just wondering if anyone knows if you can get the Fully In Control achievement if using Lone Wolf spirtual blessing?

[proud fable]

You can't

I'd say easiest way to do it is with owl card build or monkey

[lament kettle]

ugh, gotta buy those

[proud fable]

Oh

Uh

[proud fable]

You can do it without em

Idk what would be best

[lament kettle]

probably just like nightmare 30 min achievement where i go rainbow spore build... again

[proud fable]

Ye

[lament kettle]

it's so hard to play anything else because it's so good

[proud fable]

Thats how this game is lol

Weak builds aren't fun to play anymore because the OP ones are fun

[lament kettle]

oh well. i think i'm close to 100%ing. just need to get:

• Master
• Combat Medic
• Sword Storm
• Win a game as Quian Sui
• Hell Hunter
• Absolute Defense
• Fully in Control
• Soaring Eagle
• Spiritual Jade
• Energy Chain

[proud fable]

Master?

I don't recognize half of those lmao

must have been a while since I got em

[lament kettle]

Master is equip 10 legendary scrolls. I got 9 today in my R1 run 😦

[bitter ginkgo]

Me, still playing fire cat to this day

[lament kettle]

?

[clear ledge]

fox

[bitter ginkgo]

no

I mean cat with pyrodominance haha sorry for the confusion

[quaint valve]

What are some weapons that are woefully underpowered in higher Reincarnation levels?

[gusty mountain]

🦈

[bitter ginkgo]

Frenzied shark imo

The Thunder storm is hands down the worst weapon in the game

I gave it 12x crit dmg in the first longling tomb stage, and it was still 4-5 crits to kill regular crossbowmen

[thorny parcel]

Thunder Storm at least has a niche where it destroys enemy shields completely, regardless of how much they had..

[bitter ginkgo]

That's true

[quaint valve]

Okay is there any TL;DR on how to play owl?

[thorny parcel]

Pick purple ascensions. Spam cards. Win by looking at enemies.

[bitter ginkgo]

True, but

I think E build has much higher dmg potential

Both are super fun though!

[royal plinth]

dont forget the clean the monocle and take a sip of tea before each boss

also, i finally tried out Nuke Fox

2 shotted the serpent and got the achivement

[still jacinth]

PB time baby

[royal plinth]

i love meteor spam but nuke fox hits different

[royal plinth]

please tell me they both had an status aliment too

[still jacinth]

One was Fire if that's what you're referring to

the +14 I got at the very beginning, and had the one that deals damage to nearby enemies as well

[royal plinth]

so you basically threw the entirety of the wall of china at them

[still jacinth]

essentially

Funny enough, Pole Monarch dropped a brick when i kiled him

Guess he remembers last time lmao

[royal plinth]

you turned him into a brick

new element next update, ice

[still jacinth]

Bouta turn the whole game into a marketable brick

Lol, that would be the funniest merch ever

a literal brick with the game's logo etched into it

it's the inscription

[royal plinth]

i want that on a shirt

when they say to wear a gaming t shirt at work

it is just the brick the logo

and on the back is the inscription

with it golden

[still jacinth]

the only thing better than supreme brick

Gunfire Reborn Brick

If they do plushies they could make a brick plushie

[royal plinth]

hell make a whole house with it

not even joking aesthetically i love the brick's design

so simple, yet regal

[still jacinth]

I could realistically see making a fire pit or of GR bricks

[royal plinth]

i dont want that, i already have trouble saving money as is

i wouldnt even use it, just place it in the middle of the house

[still jacinth]

It's the centerpiece on your table

[royal plinth]

i see the joke, but i would totally do that

i need to get my girlfriend into this

so if we move into a place together she would get the joke

[still jacinth]

Nah leave her out of it

It's way funnier if she doesn't get it

[royal plinth]

screw guns, someone breaks ins, honey grab my brick

your right

[still jacinth]

LMAO GRAB THE BRICK

[royal plinth]

serious story though

when i first got this game i wasnt feeling after a bit

couldnt beat the first boss

then, the brick spawned, so after questioning it for a bit, i decided screw it run is dead anyway

then i get to the boss fight

throwing bricks

then suddenly it starts glowing

im like odd effect whatever

then i hit el tigre

and a good chuck of the shield just drops

and i finally learned one of the mechcanics of the game and beat him

and now i love this game

[proven sage]

Tsunami Brick 2 shots luwu

[royal plinth]

my girlfirend likes working with rocks and stuff, i wonder if i could get her to carve me one as a gift

all this game needs is one more alternative boss for each act

because ive been getting golem for the last 2 days

all my homies hate golem

doesnt help i have bad wifi, plus im docking my deck to the tv with a controller

so timing jumps

and oh my god the platefoming vaults are a nightmare

i have yet to do the one in the water level

i go in, waste time and just rage quit and skip it

im too hype i need sleep

between nuke fox and the Double Brick China Wall Special, ill never get any sleep tonight

but a very horrifying thought occured to me

what if the enemies could use the brick?

[still jacinth]

They can't

[royal plinth]

we already have bs homing teleporting snipers

[still jacinth]

Evil makes them too small-brained

[royal plinth]

we still have those updates

not to start a political heated chat, but if trump plays this game, the brick would be the only thing he uses

i want an ai president gaming channel to do that

Obamna, Trump, Sleepy Joe, and George running a round in this game

[still jacinth]

ehhhhhh idk

Gaming presidents got very old for me after a while

[royal plinth]

it ran it's course for the most part, i dont follow politics and the repetition of whatever stuff they did as the joke got old

really the only good one that im fine with is https://www.youtube.com/@PresidentsPlayHorrorGame-mx8xb

wish they would post more than 10 rarely 15 minutes video until the game is done

[still jacinth]

Yeah you're really not gonna get much with these kinds of channels unfortunately

Which is mostly why I prefer, you know, real people

[quaint valve]

So hey, anyone in chat: Who do you main and why?

[bitter ginkgo]

I main Lei Luo

You can get your thunder damage so high, and all the unique ways to apply it are interesting

[quaint valve]

I'm kinda split between maining Nona or Ao Bai at the moment.

[heady gyro]

If you're going to main Nona, I'd suggest going Overconsumption Weapon Damage Nona that when forced, picks Strike Mode ascensions over Fire Mode ascensions

Manage your scrolls and it will keep your Shields high and you'll never need the robot to revive you

Nona is THE premiere shield user once she gets some buffs to it

[proud fable]

Lei luo because of his OP skill builds

And his sniper builds with the right setup are also pretty OP

[heady gyro]

My "main" is Lei Luo but he's dropping farther and farther off my most time played

[proud fable]

dam

[heady gyro]

my least played is probably Qing Yan and Ao Bai

the ones most likely to eclipse my Lei Luo playtime is Tao and Crown Prince

[proud fable]

Least played is probably Qian sui

I'm convinced Qian Sui mains do not exist /s

[heady gyro]

actually according to my profile Crown Prince already overtook my Lei Luo

guess I need to change my tag

[proud fable]

hes the least of all the non dlc characters

[heady gyro]

yep

[proud fable]

and its not fair to compare him to dlc characters because not everyone has em

[heady gyro]

64 Crown Prince 63 Lei Luo

[proud fable]

ok

[heady gyro]

Tao's my most played DLC character but she's got a ways to go to catch up in the Crown Prince hours

[proud fable]

Dlc?

Tao isnt dlc

[heady gyro]

Well, not base game original character

[proud fable]

yes she is?

[gusty mountain]

?

She is.

[heady gyro]

... I mean she came out LATER

[proud fable]

So did bird

and lei luo

and qian sui

I think dog did too

but I wasnt that early

[heady gyro]

okay, lemme rephrase then

every character unlocked by talent levels vs not unlocked by talent levels

[proud fable]

ok

[heady gyro]

Ao Bai was apparently a base character according to patch notes

[proud fable]

Oh

[heady gyro]

Qing Yan was added 8/19/2020

[proud fable]

yes

I think I got the game like 8/16/2020 lmao

[heady gyro]

they added Sting and Talisman that patch, gross

[proud fable]

nope

aug 8th

[heady gyro]

how do you see when you bought it

I assume it's when I got the Rookie achievement, September 16, 2021

back when Crown Prince had such dogshit Ascensions that it's no wonder I never played him

Pyrodominance 3 gave Energy Orb Fire element LOL

https://i.imgur.com/fU4TBg6.png

I love Golden Bow

for anyone sleeping on Nimble Finger Mortar https://i.imgur.com/w81WgwM.png

that's 2473 kills in 12 hours versus 2913 kills in 63 hours

[proud fable]

Go to steam > Click on your little icon and name top right

Account details: [Username]

View purchase history

[heady gyro]

yep, it's the same time I got the achievement

it's also right after I played the New World beta and refunded it lol

[bitter ginkgo]

Refunding New World is based

[brave pivot]

that moment when you have paranormality and take it all, you buy scrolls master and you get flesh and bones...

guess this run is now over

[bitter ginkgo]

It’s not over

You have simply entered hardcore mode

[brave pivot]

no, it is unfortunately literally already over 😂

[thorny parcel]

Can't get hit if every enemy dies instantly.

[brave pivot]

lost my nice double caliber 😦

fierce with 3 exclusive inscriptions

I usually kept that one in my storage

I can't wait for rein 9

[thorny parcel]

I wouldn't hope for much with R9.

With the way development is done, there are realistically 2 outcomes:

1. Its difficulty increase barely affects the ability to one-shot every enemy, resulting in no real difference compared to R8.

2. Its difficulty increase actually does enough where you can't just steamroll enemies. Not steamrolling enemies will piss off all the casual players on R8 (because they can reach that) and they'll complain. Devs listen and nerf R9. Revert to outcome 1.

[proud fable]

This is if we get R9

I don't understand whats up with people wanting R9 anyways

R8 is easy, what do you think R9 will do?

[thorny parcel]

They beg for a difficulty that others don't want, or they haven't thought things through about what they actually want.

[proud fable]

true

[brave pivot]

the road map mentions rein9 for the next update, so I hope it'll come

[brave pivot]

What I want is for the game to feel challenging again

[proud fable]

Did u not read altannas msg?

[proud fable]

Not gonna happen

R9 won't change anything regardless

It'll just make OP builds slightly less OP

But you'll still be 1 shotting everything

and It'll make weak builds even weaker

The game needs balance, but slapping more HP and damage on enemies is not the way to do so

[brave pivot]

I agree with 'the game needs balancing'. The problem is that it needs a very large overhaul to its difficulty and I think there is basically no chance that we will ever get that. however you can make the game more challenging by just increasingly slapping more difficulty onto the game (this will still carry a lot of problems with it but in some scenarios this might work). What I think might be fun would be to allow the player to increase the difficulty by any amount they want with no cap and no guarantee that further difficulties are actually beatable

and just increasing the difficulty is much easier than overhauling the difficulty balance. So there is at least some chance that this is something the devs might do

[hushed tusk]

"no guarantee that further difficulties are actually beatable"
Does that not sit right with anyone else? Or is it just me?

[brave pivot]

why?

[hushed tusk]

If it's not beatable, then what's the point of having it there?

[brave pivot]

yeah, but that is not the statement

not knowing if it can't be beaten is very different from not beatable

I would gladly take further difficulties even if the devs themselves haven't yet managed to beat them

I have the hubris of thinking 'maybe I am good enough to beat it' 😂

[hushed tusk]

Just sounds a bit sketchy to me, is all.

[thorny parcel]

All difficulties in this game will be beatable.

Because we've got the power of percentage damage and not getting hit/fixed damage taken on our side.

Just find something like Spirit Feline and use Miasma, and you're good to go.

[brave pivot]

I see this very analogous to speedrunning but instead of seeing who can get the fastest time you compete to see who can beat the highest difficulty. In speedrunning it is also often unclear if a record can be broken until someone actually does it

[thorny parcel]

Infinitely scaling difficulties has a similar problem to endless mode.

It doesn't matter how far you go, eventually you'll reach a point where you can win regardless of enemies having billions of health and killing you 10 times over per shot.

Because this game just has stuff to counter that.

[golden fog]

can someone give me a quick rundown on how the bird bui8ld that keeps resetting sheild works?

[round wadi]

who does the most damage

[thorny parcel]

Yes.

[golden fog]

I've guess the most I've seen is Tiger one-shotting polar monarch, but that was with 4-people funnling everything into a gashawk

[proud fable]

however you can make the game more challenging by just increasingly slapping more difficulty onto the game

H o w

As I said, you can't just give them more HP

And devs aren't gonna rework enemies or OP builds

Not only would the community go batshit crazy over a complete nerf of things like Atomic Dog, T&G Tiger, or Primary Skill Li, but the devs aren't gonna put that much effort into it

I've alr argued with someone about this, even things like R16 wouldn't be a challenge for some of the best builds in the game, but then any build that isn't meta would just fall flat

[exotic cobalt]

They could just up the difficulty by adding more concepts to wrap your head around o -o

Take a few notes from other games with ramping difficulties (most of which are unfair- cough slay the spire)

Small but game-moving incremental changes

R9 = Curses are worse. Cateye Sight = You cannot Crit. Cursed Magazine = When reloading, 50% chance to triple ammo consumption and double reload time. Elemental Curse = Anytime you were to inflict an elemental effect, inflict it on yourself instead. Etc

While that may not shift the game much - that'd put a little bit more fear into red chests and the care-free attitude people have towards obtaining curses. Then add other incremental things until the steps become too unbearable

R10 = After Act 1, Resistances are multiplied 5-fold when using wrong elements (Using Fire on Armor/Shield = 20% effectiveness, Electricity on Armor/Health = 20% effectiveness, etc). All skills are assigned an elemental type at random, at start, which does not amplify any damage the skill does - only works in full force against its appropriate health state it's damaging.

Note: Foundry is entirely unaffected. Shots dealt by the foundry tack on a 2 second debuff (can stack and refresh itself, up to 10 seconds) on the enemy which removes Resistance Multiplication (this is to ensure there is an "out" to most situations involving elites).

Carry on from there. Each R# just adds on all the previous downsides. Add up the fact that each level also is still upping the HP, Armor, and Shields of the enemies (including the final boss) - will make teamwork more and more necessary to win depending on the debuffs the future Reincarnation ranks adds.

Hell, you'd start to nail a lot of people back hard by putting very basic sounding debuffs. "R11 = You cannot reroll gemini." or "R11 = You cannot share weapons". Basic but effective. Eventually it'll be an insurmountable wall that'll have people trying their hardest to overcome it and possibly still fail to beat the difficulties.

[thorny parcel]

Nice argument.

However, "Gaem too hard." and "We listen. Difficulty nerfed."

Alternatively, they just stick them in as new Bizarre Dream modifiers... with massive buffs to compensate.

[exotic cobalt]

I mean, let me be the one to first state it... SA needed those god damn changes

I hear so many people whether in this server or in matchmaking 'n whatnot - stating like "Oh wow they made this easy" - no, they made it possible and consistent.

It was hell to get to the peddler and buy something when your only window to do it safely was a mere 15-ish seconds

and good luck reading the damn chests or rerolling gemini

[quartz current]

First two scrolls moment

[proud fable]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-i-know-what-were-gonna-do-today-phineas-shouting-gif-17286143

Crit build!!!

[proud fable]

Me who rarely gets cursed scrolls:

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[proud fable]

All hail the holy floating golden goblet

[quartz current]

Big Star Ring hits

[proud needle]

https://i.redd.it/wy5j79ky4vm11.jpg

The Ao Bai players seeing that

[proud fable]

"Stop it patrick! You're scaring him!"

[quaint valve]

Is Lucky Roulette good? By any stretch?

[bitter ginkgo]

No idea, but I've only ever felt dissapointed from it

[proud needle]

If roulette would work correct it would be good

Right now it doesnt work at all

Well

It does a quarter of what it is supposed to do

#1117142785577984060 message

It doesnt change the correct number and randomises even wrong

[quartz current]

It'd probably be super good with extravagant consumption if working properly.

[proud needle]

Yup

not super good but actually very useful

since you easily get 500 coins per level and have a chance of rolling into 9k from that

[quartz current]

And you could in theory micro it so you're replacing numbers that aren't the thousandth place which would basically guarantee you would have zero money issues the rest of the run.

Which imo is extremely strong but in a game where there's other stuff that breaks the game too I guess it can look underwhelming. Again this is all assuming it works as intended.

[proud needle]

Also you get best rng

Enhanced is a different story

[quartz current]

Spirit Feline: Entirely solves your defensive issues with a small caveat.
Lucky Roulette: Entirely solves your money issues with a small caveat.

[thorny parcel]

Correction. It needed some of those changes.

More breaks in combat and longer breaks? Needed that.
Multiplayer choice selection making you immune to damage so you don't get slaughtered when choosing? Needed that.

However it didn't need Spiritual Seals, challenge events that greatly reward players who complete them, nerfs to enemies like Catfish Man freeze effects, new revive Spiritual Jades being even stronger than the base game (which are already really strong), Chromatic Magazine buff, other Spiritual Jade buffs, Spiritual Ascension buffs...

[fossil flame]

I really hope we gonna get new maps or locations eventually

[worthy tapir]

Hey is common to drop fps in later rounds i have a i5 10400f and 1660s?

[exotic cobalt]

#memes-and-more message

[bitter ginkgo]

Is it just me, or does the Lightning modifier on elites just feel like RNG whether it randomly one shots you without an indicator?

Sometimes I can see where the lightning will strike with a red indicator, but very rarely

[thorny parcel]

Hardly. Those lightning bolts can barely hurt you, let alone when they actually hit you.

[bitter ginkgo]

I think I have died to the lightning more than anything else in the game

[thorny parcel]

Sometimes I stand in them for fun.

[bitter ginkgo]

No way

[thorny parcel]

It's the corrosive auras and the homing fireballs that are the real pain. Homing fireballs stall your shield recovery if they burn you and will always hit you if you don't act accordingly. Corrosive auras deal massive damage if you don't avoid them, and once you get caught in one, it's hard to escape due to Decay.

[bitter ginkgo]

But I can see those

I can't see lightning strikes

No indicator 99% of the time

[thorny parcel]

Their damage is still low.

The enemy you're fighting themselves is more likely to kill you.

[bitter ginkgo]

I'll have to see how much it does to me next time I die to it

Unless they added a Piercing Gaze ability to the elite beetle/horsehead

Maybe I'm just shy and explode when a beetle looks at me

[glacial spoke]

So I just killed Pole Monarch for the first time and now I'm wondering if I did something wrong, I failed his dps check and I wonder if that did anything, did it prevent me from unlocking a weapon or scroll?

I'm also playing the PS version so I'm wondering if maybe the more up to date version of the game have something else happen

[exotic cobalt]

Failing the DPS check doesn't guarantee a loss (or losing out on anything other than a single achievement)

so dw, beating them whether you pass or fail the DPS check results in the same end results (just a tad harder)

I guess i should rephrase- not really "a tad" harder... quite harder.

[glacial spoke]

I don't even see any achievements related to only him

[exotic cobalt]

is it secret?.. . ,.' ... I know of one

[thorny parcel]

PS version might not have the relevant achievements.

Given how new and outdated it is, I wouldn't be surprised.

[glacial spoke]

It was such an anti-climatic ending that I was wondering why there's nothing afterwards, just return to the inn and that's it

[thorny parcel]

Beating the DPS check looks more impressive.

[exotic cobalt]

Surviving the failing of the dps check is just an anime battle

[glacial spoke]

I had a broken run with lifesteal and alot of damage so I barely saw the anime battle part

[exotic cobalt]

On steam - Possibly not on PS... I don't know:

[glacial spoke]

Yeah that achievement is not on PS

The only boss who doesn't have an achievement, weird

[exotic cobalt]

could be outdated given console stuff . ,.

[glacial spoke]

Thanks for the info anyway

[proud needle]

The playstation build didnt have that

02/25/2022 is the pc version date that was ported to playstation

[thorny parcel]

There's also supposed to be this achievement:

[still jacinth]

Am I insane? have I been reading "Pole Monarch" this entire time?

I swear it's read as "Pole Monarch" in-game

[gusty mountain]

It is Pole Monarch

[violet night]

sorry to ask this since its prolly been asked alot but when does this game plan to come to switch?

[stone mirage]

is it possible to beat nightmare with cat solo without level 90? (i just keep dieing at stage one)

[gusty mountain]

yes

[stone mirage]

man maybe i suck

[thorny parcel]

Just checked the list of achievements. They changed the achievement description, nice.

Now I can update that part of the wiki.

[bitter ginkgo]

@stone mirage Practice makes perfect

I remember when I first beat Elite, I got so upset because I thought Nightmare difficulty was unplayable XD

[thorny parcel]

It's theoretically possible to beat R8 Lone Wolf 4 (no blessing) Mysterious Jokul at level 1.

Just takes a lot of miasma and dodging, plus luck for Lightless Shield.

[bitter ginkgo]

^

[thorny parcel]

Though if you were allowed Painkiller, I'd imagine it would get significantly easier.

At least for the last half.

[proud fable]

Progress report

I have done 26 weapons for my challenge, not including foundry cuz im not cryorus

I'm not making v much progress cuz gfr burnout hitting me like a

[lament kettle]

omg Qian Sui is fun af

Idk if it's standard, but my first run through I basically got an infinite dash infinite punch build while your E is in use

I just ran at everything and it all melted with 26k damage multi punches

[quartz current]

Literal build

[lament kettle]

Yup! It was insanely fun

I got the level frame my first playthrough lol

[proven sage]

[quartz current]

Just had perhaps the weirdest Prince build but we take those.

Frenzied Shark mode activated.

[proven sage]

na, that checks out

[quaint valve]

Reincarnation 8 unlocked, thank you Nona and Iron Wing

[proven sage]

i’ve had the Shark and Glimmering do stuff now, but not double caliber

[quartz current]

Wish it had a better exclusive.

It's not garbage tier but it's just alright.

[thorny parcel]

But why don't you like deliberately missing your shots?

[quartz current]

Oh I'm referring to the Double Cal. But that Shark one works too.

Double Cal's exclusive would be a lot better if it were a Lucky Shot bonus tbh.

[thorny parcel]

Doesn't Dragonchaser have an equivalent stat increase now?

Yep, yes it does.

[quartz current]

I believe it's 1.5x yeah.

And also stability for whatever reason?

[thorny parcel]

Yep, and no condition for use.

That's sad.

[quartz current]

Also the other exclusive sounds really good on paper but it functions like a fork in a microwave.

[thorny parcel]

I mean, good for Dragonchaser, it might be looked at occasionally.

[proud fable]

You guys speak of weapons I literally have held for like

30 seconds

[quartz current]

Dragonchaser is actually pretty good tbh. Especially not that it can get elemental balls on crit.

It's just not as exciting/broken as some other stuff so people forget about it.

[proud fable]

It seemed decent when I used it for 10 seconds

I just hate how the bullets just orbit the enemy for a while

[proud fable]

I was thinking about that when I was doing my prism run earlier

[quartz current]

The piercing + projectile speed green text on it is basically +1 projectile without the extra consumption.

[proud fable]

Nobody gives a shit about it because it's not OP

[thorny parcel]

More like its special gimmick is hard to use against targets that die instantly.

[quartz current]

Prism's triple ricochet exclusive is funny if you can force crits but that's something you pray to have happen.

[proud fable]

Prism or dragonchaser?

[thorny parcel]

Dragonchaser.

[quartz current]

Well the triple mark exclusive doesn't work from what I can tell

the bullets just...don't work.

[proud fable]

It only works in tomb though

[thorny parcel]

Though Prism counts too.

[proud fable]

The other 3 areas have open ceilings

[thorny parcel]

Hard to bounce your kunai at targets when the one you lined up against died instantly.

[proud fable]

so chances are the prism just goes up to obscure

[quartz current]

Nah just aim right before their feet and you'll land most shots on any terrain. But it's an extremely niche setup. Fun tho.

[proud fable]

I was just throwing it at their faces lol

Did good damage

nothing crazy

I was doing like 60-300k depending on lucky shot in R1 Jokul

[thorny parcel]

It does, but you have to NOT miss 3 marks in a row.

[quartz current]

Triple richochet isn't really extra dps from basic crit aimed firing but if you have Counterviolence it's a good increase when bankshotting at their feet. That's about it tho.

[thorny parcel]

Marking a solid object will cause the bullet to be destroyed on impact.

[proud fable]

Oh like the Lyuda from borderlands

[thorny parcel]

And marking the same target 3 times because it's easy will result in the Swarm of Bees.

[proud fable]

If you get the distance right you can hit the enemy with all 3 bullets

By the way, when I do dragonchaser, should I try to get an exclusive inscription with ultimate firearm or should I just roll with whatever green inscription it gives me

[quartz current]

That + lightning balls would be funny.

[proud fable]

Like are the exclusives gamebreaking, like tesla thunderstorm or aimbot goshawk

[thorny parcel]

Dragonchaser's exclusive is about +60% crit damage, assuming no other crit bonuses besides the talent.

That being said, you still gotta correctly mark targets, otherwise your weapon's accuracy sucks.

[quartz current]

Not really, but the exclusive pool is decent. 65% against element is always good when relevant, projectile +1 is good, lightning balls on crit, both exclusives increase damage, etc. But honestly with how the new mag share gemini is seeming you could probably make any dragonchaser dish a lot of damage with a large clipped offhand.

or just CritX share I guess. Idk I've been messing around with new mag share and things just melt tho.

[proud fable]

Should I go for it or should I just get a different act 1 blessing instead of ulti firearm

[quartz current]

If you're cool you'd go Skilled Trick 😎

[thorny parcel]

You might be better off with Counterviolence, for just casually getting +1.0x CritX and 50% crits even if your mark aim sucks.

[proud fable]

Hmm

So act 1 I take overcon and skilled trick/counterviolence

then act 2 I take the other one

and act 3: idk copycat or something

Ok

[thorny parcel]

Then finally act 4 where you take a hero blessing, start using skills and completely abandon Dragonchaser.

[proud fable]

Nooo those are against my rules unfortunately

Damage must be at least 90% the weapon

😭

Oh and no abusing monke cudgel

[quartz current]

Does it matter what character it's on? Because I've always liked Dragonchaser on Prince since he can freeze/slow things for easier marks/Wildfire is a good buff.

[proud fable]

No

I said I would mostly be doing monke and dog because they specialize in funky weapon shit

But I'm making exceptions for things like tiger for sniper, bunni for smg, etc

hell I even did fox with lava pool justice

[quartz current]

Tao would probably be good too but I don't play her much and Warlike Blade can appear with Fusion if lucky.

[proud fable]

Hmm

I'm thinking just go monke as always but tao might be good cuz I don't wanna have to reload

So I'll think on it

[proven sage]

double cals inscription pool is shit

and its special function is not useful now a days

[proud fable]

I just used the scope in on two enemies to deal crit

then just started killing enemies in droves my flinging my camera around

[proven sage]

that scales like shit tho

[proud fable]

Not when I did it

[proven sage]

used it a bit ago and it did like 10% of the impact

[proud fable]

Maybe it got nerfed cuz I haven't ran it since like

Early may

Late april

[proven sage]

nothing changed since then

[proud fable]

But it just had the power of a normal crit

I think

[proven sage]

ah, i was thinking the 10m crit thing

that one is shit

[proud fable]

idk all I know is I was one shotting enemies

[proud fable]

10m crit?

[proven sage]

on kill

[proud fable]

not ringing a bell

is it an inscription for double cali

[proven sage]

its somewhere on the wiki

sniper

[proud fable]

hmm

Am still confused

[proven sage]

Killing an enemy with a critical hit deals the weapon's basic damage to enemies within 10m.

[proud fable]

Oh

[proven sage]

basic dmg not total

[proud fable]

I haven't seen that

[proven sage]

and all scope inscriptions are shit

[proud fable]

Yeah lol

I can see why the inscription is ass though lol

Doesn't benefit from critx and other multis

However the scope in to mark two enemies inscription is pure gold

You can kill 3 enemies with one shot

Which really helps out snipers, especially bc they suck at mobbing

[proven sage]

The automatic crits instantly hit marked enemies, trigger effects from other inscriptions. Damage is based off the weapon's base damage, it's CritX and any skill damage bonuses. It is not boosted by weapon damage bonuses or lucky shots.

[proud fable]

Skill dmg?

Huh

Wiki do say thats the case

No idea why I was hitting enemies with the delete sniper shots that weren't even aimed at them then

But god was it beautiful

[exotic cobalt]

End of act 1. Act 1.

[exotic cobalt]

TIL - If you harm yourself with Bloody Ammo, it triggers Against The Flow - even though Against The Flow states "dealing DMG to an enemy"

[quartz current]

the biggest enemy is the self 🧠

[worthy tapir]

y does my pc struggle in later rounds? anyone help know the reason?

[fading timber]

Is it always that hard to find people to play? I never get people with matchmaking, and nobody ever joins my codes when I ask in LFG 😦

[still jacinth]

I find it easiest to join VCs when people are in them and there's room

[worthy tapir]

id join anyone if my game didnt lag in later rounds

[fading timber]

I'll unlock more modes to increase my chances of finding group 🙂

Do I need to beat the polar bear to unlock next level?

[gusty mountain]

no

[fading timber]

cool!

[bitter ginkgo]

I'm in love...

This thing invaded my dreams last night

[thorny basalt]

Is flowing light actually good though?
Never thought of it as a good weapon.

Then again, I feel that way for a lot of shock weapons

Sexy af inscriptions though

[thorny parcel]

It's a good weapon, but its inherent Lightning element pulls it down massively.

Can never really achieve the highs that other melee weapons get.

[thorny basalt]

Ah

Who would even use flowing light best?

[thorny parcel]

Cat.

[thorny basalt]

Ah

[thorny parcel]

Not only can he get free Decay so you can use Flowing Light + Fire weapon to let it trigger Combustion, but its weapon skill also works very well with Energy Blade.

Plus its movement speed is the highest of any weapon, tied with Poisonous Ghost, for dealing with his slow speed.

[thorny basalt]

Ah. I see.
Does like, all the thrusts get the damage bonus from energy blade?

[thorny parcel]

Yes. It consumes ammo once, they all count as the same shot.

[thorny basalt]

Ah
Nice.
Still sounds like flame tower with extra steps though

💀

[thorny parcel]

Tiger can also use this with Fatal Current, but he has no easy access to Combustion.

[thorny basalt]

Yeah

That’s the main gripe I have with thunder weapons

Little access to combustion

[bitter ginkgo]

I love flowing light with forced crits on Lei Luo, too

[proud fable]

Flowing light came first?

[thorny basalt]

I see

[bitter ginkgo]

But it’s different

There’s variety

[quaint valve]

Is it just me or is Transcendent Arsenal just... kinda pointless in its current implementation? It becomes available too late in a run to be really useful, and it doesn't even let you keep the levels for stashed weapons, so you can't keep building up the weapons in your arsenal to be more powerful each run.

[proud fable]

Yeah

A lot of people don't play with it because of that

[violet night]

How good is Tao? She's my primary hero and I've had amazing results. Just wanted to see what ya'll think

[proud fable]

it also takes away the chests in 3-3 and 4-2

[proud fable]

She's like

a 7.5/10 for me

She's got good damage potential

But so do all the other characters

Maybe an 8 idk

[violet night]

How about the bird, I'm struggling for results with him

[proud fable]

I give bird 8.5 out of 10 almost purely because I loved him 2 years ago

however damagewise

he gets like a 5 or 6 outta 10

You just need to get killer ascension luck

and you can make him into a killing machine

[violet night]

ah. ok, so im not missing much playing tao?

[bitter ginkgo]

It’s nice to have a perfect weapon to compliment your build for the last portion of the game

If it were available earlier than it is now, I feel like it would be bad for balance

[quaint valve]

By the way, is it just me or is there not nearly enough stuff to use Spiritual Essence on?

[thorny parcel]

If there were more, casual people would get pissed off that they need to grind just to keep playing optimally.

[quaint valve]

I mean, fair point.

Though I'm also concerned about just how much you get from Spiritual Assault. I have a few thousand and I don't even play that much compared to some people here.

[thorny parcel]

You get more from Reincarnation, which is significantly easier.

[quaint valve]

At least there is a way to spend Essence in Reincarnation at all.

There's almost no way to spend it in SA.

[thorny parcel]

Goblet rerolls, which get supremely expensive if you absolutely want something.

[quaint valve]

Mostly only if you get supremely bad luck, but I get your argument there.