As you need the chest and craftsman at the final boss
#All Platforms
arctic nacelle
When you say full do you mean the ||cannonball boss|| or ||is the actual full the 4th realm thingy||
proud fable
When you say full do you mean the ||cannonball boss|| or ||is the actual full th...
4th realm
arctic nacelle
10 minutes for a run huh
proud fable
thats the world record for 4 player speedruns
And you need 4 players to achieve this
arctic nacelle
solo i take about an hour so i was assuming 40m per run for a 4man
i guess 4man goes through faster
proud fable
solo i take about an hour so i was assuming 40m per run for a 4man
Nope
World record speedrun for solo is like 6 minutes
Regardless it would take about 121500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 runs to get this absolute limit on weapon level
Like I said, the number is actually higher because I didnt calculate some of the shit
Regardless
that number up there is one hundred twenty-one unseptuagintillion, five hundred septuagintillion,
proud fable
its not a number anymore
I believe its like the 71
Million is 1, billion is 2, trillion is 3, etc
that is 71 and 70
wispy lodge
will gunfire reborn ever have mod support ?
proud fable
probably not
the devs don't like the idea of mods/cheating
and the game is also almost completely unmoddable
idk why I just know it is
proud fable
ye this game is quite easy bc no balance
unfortunately all we can do is put self imposed challenges upon ourselves
Also watch out when talking abt mods
Rule 7 can bitecha in the ass
wispy lodge
I see
proud fable
Yes
Good luck trying to make this game a challenge lmao
Make it a challenge, not spending 400 years per enemy because you do two damage per nerf dart you shoot from a foundry
wispy lodge
ill take infinite scaling reincarnation at this point
just give them more stat the higher you go and let it go up infinitely
proud fable
Yeah
the scaling in this game is minimal
compared to the way your damage scales, at least
And please, for the love of god, do NOT recommend the game looping for more scaling
wispy lodge
cant even stack items, wouldn't looping create more problems
proud fable
yep
You'd get all ascensions and scrolls, enemy scaling would pass damage cap, you'd eventually become invincible due to a combination of scrolls and ascensions, etc
thorny parcel
Problem with infinite scaling Reincarnation levels is how scaling is done in the first place.
It's well known that you tear through act 3 and 4, but act 1 and 2 will tear through you a lot of the time instead.
wispy lodge
they could just make act 1 scale significantly lower than the others
dont they already do something like that
thorny parcel
Yes. Act 1 gets an extra 0.5x multiplier per level, act 2 gets an extra 1.0x, and act 3 and 4 get 1.6x. Act 4 gets 2.1x if Mysterious Jokul is active.
Despite this, act 1 still punts more players back to the starting screen than act 3 and 4 do, besides Elite Gatherings of course.
wispy lodge
i'd still take that over having nothing
thorny parcel
Oh right, another problem with infinite scaling Reincarnation I just recalled.
Multiplayer revives will still be king, and Painkiller will still trivialize most enemies.
So you'd just gravitate towards those more often.
You'd have to do self-imposed challenges to not use them, which we already need to do now to avoid easy Reincarnation 8.
Technically yes, there will be less OP things compared to the scaled enemies.
But early acts will shred you to pieces before you can become OP, or you just breeze through them using certain specific OP things that remain OP.
Plus there's no telling how much scaling you'd need to even make OP things not seem OP anymore.
I'm not even sure if 5 times the enemy health will be able to make things seem reasonable, and that would take...
punches in some numbers
Reincarnation 42 to achieve in act 3, or Reincarnation 40 for act 4 Mysterious Jokul.
wispy lodge
which is why you let them go on infinitely right
like right now I wish I could play r8/SA4 on 4 players health difficulty
but can't even do that
because lone wolf only adjust mob spawn, not their stat
thorny parcel
For perspective, Reincarnation 40 act 1 would give enemies +280% health and +253% damage.
Compared to reincarnation 8.
Just to maybe achieve non-OP levels of power in later acts.
proud fable
For perspective, Reincarnation 40 act 1 would give enemies +280% health and +253...
ONLY!?
wispy lodge
im ok with that
I know its not for all but for those that enjoy the gameplay loop and just wanna keep climbing
proud fable
R40 seems veri big
thorny parcel
Hope you like getting one-shot by literally everything in Longling, just so you might not one-shot everything in Jokul.
proud fable
but less than 4x hp and damag
Damn
Yeah longling would be a pain
And arsonists
Oooh shit arsonists
However judging by how easy lategame is, R40 would still be easy with most builds, apart from longling
However, it would further seperate the Op builds from the non OP ones
Things like T&G Tiger, Cards owl, spiritual flame monke, atomic dog, etc would still be op
But like, every other build would be shit
thorny parcel
On R40 with Mysterious Jokul, Pole Monarch would have 124,416,000 health, in solo.
Likely the sole reason he'd still be able to attack you is if your first attack hits the damage cap, which wouldn't send him running for his aura jars.
But if your first attack does Combustion or rapidly hits, pfft, he'll still be running.
thorny parcel
Hold on, let me check his damage threshold...
75% HP he rushes to the first jar.
So you'd need to do 31,104,000 damage to make him immediately go for a jar, which is very within Combustion or rapid hits' range.
proud fable
Or card pirb
Sending hundreds of cards that deal millions of damage each is a pretty good way to destroy anything
Even the final boss
thorny parcel
In any case, it'll probably make the only things that'll stop you from winning be Longling Tomb, and Jokul's elite gathering.
Let me crunch some more numbers. Now I don't have Mysterious Jokul's damage bonus, if any, but...
proud fable
Jokuls elite gathering will only be an issue if you don't have that crazy ass build
That crushes everything
Longling will still be hell though
thorny parcel
Jokul's elite gathering will have all the thunderous stalkers and mandrill cavalries have... +405% health and +217% damage.
proud fable
Dam
thorny parcel
You thought getting touched by a bleeding mandrill cavalry was bad now.
Wait till it kills you 3 times faster.
proud fable
I still don't think it'd be too much of an issue though
Like I said, this mode would really separate the OP builds and the non OP ones
thorny parcel
Yeah, because any OP build could be able to blaze through their 5 times health pool.
proud fable
Yeah, because any OP build could be able to blaze through their 5 times health p...
Yes
thorny parcel
Multiplayer on the other hand...
proud fable
Think of spiritual flame and card pirb builds
thorny parcel
This elite gathering is already a great equalizer with multiplayer revives.
proud fable
This elite gathering is already a great equalizer with multiplayer revives.
Oh yeah
especially jokul
thorny parcel
That's specifically the one I'm talking about.
proud fable
3 mandarill cavalries destroying the ozone layer by melting metric tons of snow is a pretty good way to kill 4 people
thorny parcel
There have been quite a few complaints about how much harder they are because they destroy multiplayer groups who rely on revives.
Now imagine if they killed everyone borderline instantly.
proud fable
Easy game not easy!111!11!!!!!11!11
proud fable
Now imagine if they killed everyone borderline instantly.
Yeah
In multiplayer the build wouldnt really matter
due to revive spam not requiring an OP build
thorny parcel
That's the problem with this elite gathering though.
The mandrill cavalry severely disrupts any revive attempts. That's why they're such a problem. They're just about the only enemy that does this as such a consistent tate.
proud fable
Because of their knockback
thorny parcel
Exactly.
proud fable
and their fire trail kills anyone who stands in one spot
thorny parcel
So everyone would instantly die, and the stragglers who didn't instantly die will fail to revive anyone, then instantly die.
proud fable
And then that one guy in the back is screaming bc they thought everyone else could handle the wrath of 3 mandils
thorny parcel
Sure it would definitely be hard and make OP builds not nearly as OP, but it really shouldn't have to resort to this kind of powercreep BS in the first place.
proud fable
yeah
Theres no easy way to fix the issue of OP builds without further drowning out the lesser ones
Increasing enemy HP by a lot would be an ok way to fix a bunch of em
But then frenzied shark runs would suffer more 😔
thorny parcel
The devs have dug this game into a hole, and they won't, or can't, dig out of it.
proud fable
The devs have dug this game into a hole, and they won't, or can't, dig out of it...
And when they try to put a little staircase in the side
Or even
thorny parcel
Well, they try to, but the "we'll dig out by digging down!" mentality isn't really working.
proud fable
Well, they try to, but the "we'll dig out by digging down!" mentality isn't real...
Dig to china ez strat
solid quarry
question: will my friend on xbox pc game pass be able to play with me on steam? if so how?
velvet hamlet
no
solid quarry
#gunfire-faq message
am I misunderstanding this then?
"but they will be able to crossplay with PC Game Pass."
gusty mountain
pc game pass =/= steam
solid quarry
does steam even have a game pass? don't know what I'm missing here
solid quarry
I'm so confused lmao
velvet hamlet
okay look
there's a game pass subscription for PC, and a game pass subscription for Xbox
both are technically called "Xbox Game Pass"
but on different platforms
anyone on Xbox Game Pass on any platform can play with anyone also on Xbox Game Pass on any platform
Steam is a whole other thing, completely separate from game pass
velvet hamlet
np, dw bout it, Microsoft is stupid w names sometimes
solid quarry
any plans on "fixing that"
velvet hamlet
bummer tho
yeah it's mainly cause the server setup is different and because version of the game that game pass is running on is about 2 years old
velvet hamlet
any plans on "fixing that"
if current updates stay at the same rate? nope
even then because of how differently the servers work
most likely never
solid quarry
so all the recent characters won't be aviable on xbox?
velvet hamlet
they will
thorny parcel
They may eventually become available on Xbox, but due to how 505 Games has been treating it, the Xbox version hasn't received a single content update since it was released almost a year ago.
velvet hamlet
eventually™
thorny parcel
If they do come, do not think it'll be at a reasonable rate. It would be more like a random surprise when you least expect it.
solid quarry
😦
velvet hamlet
yep
regal niche
mastery says "100% attack power" so im guessing it works for all of them
velvet hamlet
i think that's only for melee mech
silent osprey
Mastery on Nona works for all iron wing modes?
the attack power is only for melee mode, as the melee mode attacks scale with attack power (whereas the range mode attacks scale with your secondary skill)
the attack speed most likely works with both, but this needs testing.
hushed bronze
I dont think it can be considered a cash grab at all lol
gusty mountain
guys gone
hushed bronze
the game is complete, just no DLCs yet
gusty mountain
banned
proud needle
We are working with everything we got to solve that
I am as pissed as the next of us. We can only ask for patience
Meanwhile
Trying to get Zi's Frame and the game set me up all nice in 1-1 already
Stone Skin into Ying Yang and from an event the Piercing as reward
Guess this is a fine Legendary only run
And screw you too game
Curses fail the challenge
This time
No curses
Spicy start for 2-1
This run is popping off like crazy
proud needle
lol
even made it sub 20
And I did take all vaults till Fjord and all goblets till end
Monarch was like a 15 seconds fight
The -1704 Essence was me gambling at an search enhanced scroll
gave me only normals...
FYI the cost for searching goes up to something like 800 probably at the end
median prairie
Its ~4k ess to do all 15 searches and the chest is heavily weighted toward normal rarity scrolls
crimson plume
Yeah it used to be crazy high
median prairie
Cuz it used to have no limit on top of harsher scaling lmao
Could literally eat thru ur 25k in 20 seconds without truly realizing
mossy sequoia
Thats why I haven't been at the soul cap in a while 
the chest had ended on an enhanced perfect 6th
severe geode
That GDQ run makes me wonder how people get so good at games
brave pivot
I just had my fastest run ever
lone wolf 4 rein 8, doing every vault, and everything and it took me 28:46
the owl is kinda broken (and by kinda I mean extremely brokenly OP)
and this was only like my 5th run with the owl
and on the run prior to that I easily beat my total damage record. getting almost 2B damage in a solo run
also with the owl
owl comes out and within just a couple runs I easily beat all my previous records set over the over 500 hours I have in this game. I really hope the owl gets nerved extremely hard
slate jasper
i got to almost 1k
merry turret
Star ring is so busted
clever olive
I still do not get Star Ring, appears skill based because you have to position right.
clever olive
Curious how many hidden ledges I still have not found in game
proud fable
hidden ledges?
clever olive
Here I will upload screenshots of one in Desert, does not look wide enough to stand on yet you can. First screenshot I am aiming at the ledge, next two I am standing on it.
proud fable
ah
Cool
Theres many things like that
but yeah I also wonder how many there are
almost every time a box is next to a ledge
little cracks in desert walls
huh
clever olive
Need more Cowbell Bun Drops, most I have seen so far in one spot.
pine trout
damn playing rein 8 with all modifiers and no overconsumption is dire at the beginning
robust elite horsehead? Just give me a lava pit to jump into please
crimson plume
Modifiers make the game easier I'm gonna honest. Jokul can fuck you over but gives enough benefits to make it more of an advantage
pine trout
I mean yeah, if I pick Overconsumption + <broken character blessing> then I never lose
but I decided to pick all the modifiers and then not make myself OP at first
crimson plume
I hate overconsumption. I only use it on speedruns.
pine trout
I like how it speeds up the first stage
and speeds my character up, I hate the base movespeed
clever olive
Do I choose the Woodpecker or the Woodpecker? 😆
thorny parcel
🎶 When act 1 is quite tough and the RNG's rough, 🎵
🎵 Overconsumption. 🎶
🎶 When stat diversity lets you win runs for free, 🎵
🎵 Overconsumption. 🎶
🎶 When you need to push by so you don't fall and die, 🎵
🎵 Overconsumption. 🎶
🎶 When the buff starts to fall but you don't mind at all, 🎵
🎵 Overconsumption. 🎶
mossy sequoia
I hate overconsumption. I only use it on speedruns.
I miss old, better balanced overconsumption
yknow, when grabbing upgrades actually had downsides
also didn't boost every single stat
proud fable
🎶 When act 1 is quite tough and the RNG's rough, 🎵
🎵 Overconsumption. 🎶
�...
Ok but whats the rhythm here
Does it sound like twinkle twinkle little star?
Mary had a little lamb?
DOOM - Soundtrack 3?
mossy sequoia
Witch Doctor
thorny parcel
Ok but whats the rhythm here
"That's Amore"
proud fable
Ok
wild bronze
I just bought this game and it is so freaking good. I've had a great time with my friends. Amazing game developers from what it seems too. Glad I found this community, I hope this game will keep getting developed and making success ❤️❤️ will buy every DLC
velvet hamlet
owl comes out and within just a couple runs I easily beat all my previous record...
if the history of this game's updates are anything to go by
dont get your hopes up
harsh wagon
I'm glad they're buffing such underpowered characters like that
really the owl had no chance in the meta compared to other characters being able to only delete everything with the press of a button
jokes aside, at least no character is left in the dust, they all have their own ways of being busted which is neat
velvet hamlet
yeah yeah for sure for sure
thorny parcel
Cat has Painkiller.
Dog has Atomic Bomb.
Birb.
Tiger has Thunder & Glory.
Bunny has Swords Out cooldown reductions.
Turtle has Tsunami Punch.
Monkey has Soul Strike abusing good inscriptions.
Fox has Spiritual Flame.
Owl has cards.
Red Panda has Pair of Us.
pine trout
17.5m damage in one Hell pellet, yeah I'm thinking things are well balanced
crimson plume
17.5m damage in one Hell pellet, yeah I'm thinking things are well balanced
doubt
pine trout
wait yeah it was only 17m
crimson plume
pretty sure that's just per shot, not pellet
proud needle
Thats neither
Thats highest dmg
if you look at the shotgun icon it gives details of that weapon
crimson plume
yeah. but considering they're using a 30+ level hell its probably the damage from the hell
pine trout
from my experience the game records the highest single instance of damage, it doesn't add up all the pellets
crimson plume
Pretty sure it doesn. as it adds up damage from a shot + combustion damage and counts them together
I think it adds everything from a single shot together
agile grail
Yo can anyone add me
velvet hamlet
#1064937664870101033
severe geode
I think they've added four characters since I played last :v
thorny basalt
I mean, since there were probably 6 characters when you played last
That’s a whole 66% increase in characters
severe geode
I'm very confused how i died
I like couldn't kill anything. Their shields just turned grey
severe geode
What do I even do?
gusty mountain
Basically the same thing when facing enemies with the immortal enhancement.
Avoid until they die.
severe geode
Well, I was having a bad run anyway.
I have such a hard time figuring out what's even worth my time to pick up
All my runs seem to go the same
crimson plume
Meanwhile i'll get a run with enhanced EDS and GoE but no cursed scrolls
modest heron
tried searching for an update on console version and all I see is a rolling tumbleweed
proven sage
correct
gusty mountain
It'll revive you.
proud needle
But keep in mind it needs a moment to switch to melee mode before reviving
depending on hoe often you already died that is life or death moments
leaden helm
Anyone have a Spiritual Assault build for Nona? im a bit new n want some recommendations
proud fable
A lot of people say secondary build is a lot of fun
and how its just hardwood missile spam
I havent tried it tho
proud needle
Its fun with all the turret mode ascensions
Also forgot how fun Tiger Cannon can be
Bloody Ammo on this is just fun
mossy sequoia
dw - I'm not mad at all of not finding evil devouring sword 🥲
Ooo all those tasty curses, a shame you had EB Talisman
pine trout
3 billion damage dealt by the start of act 4
forgot about first strike and took counterviolence instead, mistake
also I got pyrodominance III which is very normal on other characters
proud fable
Damn
pine trout
proud fable
What build is that lmao
pine trout
well, Gradual Improvement, Shrieker and combustion
Shrieker was just not meant to have so many multipliers attached to it
outer patrol
is Zi Xiao's spirit Concentrator card master talent for card slot or astrospect slots?
arctic nacelle
any ideas as to why spiritual assault is harder all of a sudden? does it scale with my highest difficulty in normal mode?
proud needle
Nope no scaling
proud needle
Happens
arctic nacelle
Yeah just felt weird cuz i beat elite yesterday and since that it felt like i was dealing zdps x) thx
queen tusk
Anyone got good Spiritual Assault builds for the new DLC heroes?
proud fable
any ideas as to why spiritual assault is harder all of a sudden? does it scale w...
I know overtime SA gets harder
Like it starts at normal mode, and enemies slowly scale to reincarnation 8
Other than that no
chrome totem
severe geode
That is absurd, I got one shot for no reason
The most infuriating thing is to finally have a really good run and then one thing I couldn't do anything about happens and I lose it all
I just will never make any progress
I'm convinced
crimson plume
It's rare to get "one shot" it's likely multiple things hitting you at once, learning to understand enemies and dodge is a big part of the game
thorny parcel
Exception is high difficulties, where getting one-shot is one of few reasons why anything except bad runs will fail.
candid narwhal
is this game still active online. i havent played it in months. I noticed there was an update.
thorny parcel
Yes, but the matchmaking still sucks.
novel token
Hello! What's your fav weapon with Owl?
novel token
Ahh, yes. Makes sense
novel token
How do you know if your character needs more Shield or more HP?
novel token
Yes
thorny basalt
Well, I'm not sure myself.
Personally, I usually go shield on everyone except Ao Bai
Everyone else I believe can benefit from Shield more than HP most of the time.
clever olive
I always go Shield because Shield regens out of combat, HP you have to get bun pickups. Bird having Armor I am not sure.
novel token
And how do you know which character "needs" the Flesh and Bone scroll, which makes your Shield your HP?
thorny basalt
Ao Bai
thorny parcel
How do you know if your character needs more Shield or more HP?
Depending on who you're playing and what you have already.
If you're focusing on HP scrolls or your hero does, get HP.
Same thing for Shield/Armor.
That being said, most heroes focus on Shield/Armor right off the bat.
novel token
Ahh, i see
teal wave
How do you know if your character needs more Shield or more HP?
depends on what the character has for natural stats for me
paranormality doubles your shield and should only be taken on 70+ shield characters
characters like ao bai and nona should NEVER take paranormality
flesh and bones will consume your shield and turn them into hp so any character can run it besides maybe bird builds
in the entire game the only scroll that heals you quickly enough consistently for long periods of time to prevent death is sanguine and fire enthusiast and theyre both for health
shield regeneration scrolls like backup shield, phantom skin and gold medal cant sustain you during intense elite rooms
you're not living through this with shield regeneration scrolls lmao
severe geode
Exception is high difficulties, where getting one-shot is one of few reasons why...
High difficulties as in what?
teal wave
Reincarnation 8
severe geode
I was only on Nightmare
teal wave
damage is nice but taking survivability ascensions is also very important
something SlightRNG said, the general damage in game is set in mind of your default health with no scrolls, as soon as you pick up one scroll that makes you take more damage you'll notice a huge increase in damage taken which usually ends up in one shots or weak enemies doing hundreds of hitpoints worth of damage
things in nightmare can still kill you pretty quickly if you're not carefull
severe geode
And I thought I was
proud fable
you're not living through this with shield regeneration scrolls lmao
You will with enhanced gold medal
(15% of your shield/armor gained with every secondary/dash/primary skill used)
proud fable
Nona shoots pretty fast with heavy modification
Considering you're regenning 3% with every rocket because of sanguine relic
15% is not pretty little
teal wave
Considering you're regenning 3% with every rocket because of sanguine relic
they are not a 1:1 ratio
proud fable
???
teal wave
15% of your TOTAL health bar is not bigger than 3% of 40,000 damage rockets
teal wave
sorry didnt mean to sound aggressive
proud fable
with paranormality though
Or just with a big enough shield idk
I think its possible
teal wave
yea its more effective regeneration with higher shield counts
proud fable
However yes less setup is needed with sanguine
sick root
My longest spiritual assault game. Focused on dash lightning bolts, and got super lucky with dash synergy, even a gold medal a couple minutes in. Actually immortal but has to spoon-murder enemies over the course of 3-5 business days LMAO
sick root
you're not living through this with shield regeneration scrolls lmao
I got this same build today lol, I seem to have a bad habit of making builds that can't die but tickle the enemies to death 
exotic cobalt
Shrieker was just not meant to have so many multipliers attached to it
I mean... +38 also may have something to do with it lol
royal plinth
I mean... +38 also may have **something** to do with it lol
Only +38?
exotic cobalt
To a tiger, that's ridiculously multiplicative
royal plinth
110 Monke
exotic cobalt
give me an image -u - ...
royal plinth
What do I build gun tiger for
exotic cobalt
Combining Sting + Firetower/fire, Raw damage from a Golden Bow, Strikewing with Exclusive Luckyshot-on-hit Roll, a solid drill with total damage multiplication + Strikewing crit share, etc
If anyone finds a drill with both of these, I'm down to keep it in my arsenal:
proven sage
i'd say a 1mag drills better
royal plinth
Since when was sting meta wtf
proven sage
didn't ask for meta
exotic cobalt
When you cause a combustion shot with the final shot out of the 3
royal plinth
So do I just go for high crit X and just Snipe
exotic cobalt
Yes, but luckyshot with it
royal plinth
Kk
exotic cobalt
If you got no luckyshot and gain crit from 8 -> 12x, that's great. but Keeping it 8 and just getting 200% Luckyshot is way stronger.
royal plinth
So like Golden bow or stike wing + Eye of the storm Voltaic surge thunder turbo
proven sage
yupp
royal plinth
What Spirit Ascension
exotic cobalt
I really gotta read up and test that "Mag is 1" thing ... I have yet to try to make that gemeni work
royal plinth
Do I take
proven sage
What Spirit Ascension
maybe nothing, up to you
royal plinth
I know there's one that increases crit dmg when you get crit kills
exotic cobalt
spirit... ascension? .,.
proven sage
I really gotta read up and test that "Mag is 1" thing ... I have **yet** to try ...
+150% multi +50reload or +70% luck
royal plinth
The fucking Things you get at the beginning
royal plinth
Oh
proven sage
GI
royal plinth
Yea what blessing do I take
exotic cobalt
I'd say the safest one if you're playing weapon build sniper is gradual improvement.
exotic cobalt
eh screw it. I wanna look for the new gemini thing to see if I can make it work
royal plinth
Team 2
proven sage
eh screw it. I wanna look for the new gemini thing to see if I can make it work
remember that mag share now gives +total dmg aswell
hoary comet
li is still balanced
velvet hamlet
li is still balanced
missed you bro
proud needle
( those weapons were back to back)
velvet hamlet
what on earth is your luck
hoary comet
missed you bro
i almost died lmao
gusty mountain
Did corrosion ball get buffed or it still sucks?
velvet hamlet
i almost died lmao
AGAIN?
hoary comet
YEP
proud needle
Since those inscriptions can be on Rifles now
hoary comet
yooo
proud needle
You can spawn so many balls they stop rendering
hoary comet
tell me all important changes pls
proud needle
A little birdy told us
velvet hamlet
yes
hoary comet
no
hoary comet
li feet pics
velvet hamlet
literally looks at enemies
hoary comet
all i know is brick
proud needle
all hail Brick
hoary comet
gotta cash out first then
not aproblem
proud needle
Only now noticed this about Li's E
in the vault with the statues
since it passes through enemies you can use all statues as shields
Also makes funny explosion sounds since all are technically enemies
Playing as Li...
pine trout
it is preposterous because every character can get Pyrodominance + whatever her fire goblet is
pine trout
the future is now, old man
crimson plume
I had a talisman with chance to create all 3 balls
Was insane
Considering the right click auto crits
hoary comet
cant wait to try the new characters ngl
velvet hamlet
i think you'll love nona
hoary comet
silly frruy my beloved
didnt spoil myself with gameplay or anything
so yeah
excited
proud needle
I heard you like Bricks so we put a Brick in yo Brick
crimson plume
I love that it can get +1 projectile
proud needle
Thanks game
Yokul
Last room
Elite swarm
Reward : Dual Edge
Game applogized
There was the vault left and it was enemies transform into walrus
at least got 74 stacks from it
crimson plume
I had that exact same thing happen to me the other day in a session with my mate, he just me clear everything in the vault to get as many stacks as i could
I have also gotten elite assassin from the final elite swarm before
proud needle
But yeah 12 mil casual Li
Was fun
I wanted to do only her primary and that worked pretty well
exotic cobalt
+490% Luckyshot Chance
crimson plume
ohhh sorry
nvm
didnt see the skilled trick
the fact that the scope in and out counts as stack is really dumb
its like how aura of venom, each shot from the skill counts rather than each use
mossy sequoia
I love that it can get +1 projectile
If only we still had +2 projectile
crimson plume
I never knew that was a thing
crimson plume
I can see why.
mossy sequoia
But +2 was the exclusive, and +1 was a blue inscription
Was wild
4 projectile max aoe bone dragon my beloved
proven sage
unique iron
What's a good build with the new owl guy
Can't get a grasp on whats decent, and don't know how E works yet
proven sage
classic 2 shot monarch
pine trout
that's one shot too many smh
pine trout
What's a good build with the new owl guy
in my opinion, build for single shot mag synergy
get Hell(fastest one shot reload) , 1 shot mag gemini, etc
occult booster is a funny blessing due to the reroll, if you lone wolf you can either go overconsumption + booster to make the game overall easy or steady profit + occult booster for a harder beginning but potentially insane endgame
get a shitton of scrolls, reroll the bad ones, get a chunky single shot weapon to synergize with the rest of his kit
later on you'll spam cards and primary just to get the bonuses to weapon damage, it scales out of control
upper axle
Just one-shoted Yoruhime's 2nd phase. on normal tho
God-like luck tbh, almost all cups for primary skill + 80%, 120% and 40/80% bonus damage scrolls
storm pulsar
first reincarnation run, turned 
into 
proven sage
first reincarnation run, turned <:LeiLuo:804703912136278097> into <:QianSui:9108...
did breaking shield give you primary skill CD reset?
storm pulsar
enhanced phantom skin reduced cooldown on break so basically yeah
proven sage
Solid Shell refreshes Aspis on break 
storm pulsar
idk after a certain point I just wasn't taking damage
proven sage
understandable
storm pulsar
2fast2quick
upper axle
also, a quick question: do i need to return to inn after 3rd boss? cus i dont see the portal to the next stage :/
proven sage
on the first win, yes
proven sage
nice
exotic cobalt
https://i.imgur.com/uql9XRv.png
I WANT IT
exotic cobalt
come in team 3
exotic cobalt
XD
viral crypt
I have a question regarding the daggers/throwing knives.
Does each shot count as being reloaded?
proven sage
nope
viral crypt
Didn't think so, just wanted to confirm. Ty
Still love the double dagger dog regardless
rose talon
How does Battle Scared interact with Paranormality?
Do I just get 50% reduction all the time?
velvet hamlet
yes
mossy sequoia
I find it insanely funny that no one ever asked that when Battle Scarred was a dog exclusive
thorny parcel
That's because no one cared about shield when it was Dog exclusive.
mossy sequoia
idk what you mean, 110 shield is op
thorny parcel
Even if you ignore it being the lowest of any hero (that can be "fixed" with scrolls and red chests), he's also got miserable shield recovery.
mossy sequoia
still want his shield removed
screw the consequences
and don't you dare monkey paw me
thorny parcel
🙂
mossy sequoia
I knew it was coming
thorny parcel
Wish granted.
Ao Bai's shield is replaced with armor. None of his skills, talents, ascensions or blessings are updated to reflect this.
A finger on the monkey paw curls inward.
mossy sequoia
replace dogs healing talent with a talent that just starts him off with og blue tier fleshy bones
thorny parcel
But yeah, worst shield by far. Even Tao's shield which has a slower recovery % still lets her start recharges when killing enemies or recover with Sword Guard.
And it would also mean Ao Bai's HP ascensions would become useless.
mossy sequoia
they weren't already?
thorny parcel
Surprisingly no, because any healing he does gets reflected on them.
And Life Power exists.
thorny parcel
At least he's got a support system though. Birb has to suffer through mediocrity and only that.
mossy sequoia
true
thorny parcel
And possibly the only exception is very dangerous to use initially.
mossy sequoia
poor cat, no op exclusive blessing
thorny parcel
He doesn't need one. He's got OP general blessings instead.
mossy sequoia
make his nade blessing have his nades apply all elements at 3x the proc time
thorny parcel
Well, and stunlocking everything, I suppose.
Less OP, more "you'll eventually win".
thorny parcel
You know the devs will.
mossy sequoia
one of the few buffs I'm on board with
thorny parcel
Personally I'd prefer it if it was something else, like an underperforming ascension or a talent tweak.
Maybe his 4th talent Energy Charge recovers shield and gives a movement speed buff when hitting with Energy Orb.
thorny parcel
Or Backpack Expansion gives permanent movement speed, which has become hilariously powercrept by Fox, Owl AND Red Panda.
thorny parcel
Yep. We're giving Fox extra movement speed with Raging Inferno blessing, because said blessing was just too inferior compared to other hero blessings.
+2% per stack, up to +60%.
mossy sequoia
2 minute timer per stack
thorny parcel
I'm not joking about Raging Inferno being weak, by the way. It genuinely was worse than stuff like the old Unstoppable Momentum blessing.
thorny parcel
Ember Eruption and Solid Shell are the best choices, obviously.
pine trout
what's the math on Total Eradication, anyway?
it's probably poop regardless but I never even thought about it
thorny parcel
Pretty sure it's just a scaling bonus based on their total missing HP + Shields/Armor.
So gives +0% when the enemy is undamaged, up to +79.9% when the enemy is almost dead, for level 1.
pine trout
ech
thorny parcel
50% total HP is +40%.
Don't forget, this would actually be pretty decent if it wasn't for the fact that one-shotting everything is the norm.
pine trout
just too many additive damage bonuses around for such a tiny conditional one imo
thorny parcel
It's actually an average additive one, at least compared to ascensions.
pine trout
maybe I'm spoiled by pyro/acidominance, where the damage bonus is not really the important part
it's the insane level 3 boost
thorny parcel
Average of +40% is the same as stuff like Pyro/electro/aciddominance, so...
The only thing it's really missing is an insane level 3 effect.
So it's kinda like Electrodominance if you think about it.
Level 3 effect is alright but not great, and the situation that you'd use it at its most effectiveness rarely exists.
mossy sequoia
WOOOO
proud needle
Dont... Brick your run
mossy sequoia
bro these chests have not given me a single upgrade option
I got my first +1 at boss 3
thorny parcel
Unless you don't want them, of course.
mossy sequoia
they make up 90% of my normal chests
thorny parcel
Then they're everywhere.
lime frigate
is there a guide/spreadsheet for Tao Spirit Concentrator ?
proud fable
is there a guide/spreadsheet for Tao Spirit Concentrator ?
I dont think so
Just take one of these builds off the wiki
Oh no
Not for the concentrator
lime frigate
damn
proud fable
Just take what you think is best for synergies and whatnot
Its meant for you to have fun and create something strong
And if you don't create something strong you will be brutally ripped apart by hundreds of enemies
lime frigate
alright
prisma pelican
what does enhanced unfettered will do?
crimson plume
what does enhanced unfettered will do?
Doubles the bonus from 2% to 4%
gusty mountain
more dmg
crimson plume
It uses to remove the limiter but now they removed it in the base one too
prisma pelican
that's wild
exotic cobalt
After trying to make thunder/lightning work over and over, I must say - Lei needs buffing in the skill department
Way too many damn things need to go right for thunder to feel great.. and even then - it's pitiful
crimson plume
Thunder is op...
it's one of the best skill builds in the game
I think... not sure but i think, it also hold the WR speedrun
royal plinth
To many things gotta go right
Or you can just One Dog army Mortar your way to an ez build
crimson plume
To many things gotta go right
That's really not true. All you need is thunder and glory. Magical resupply and thunder nemesis. Pick the talent that causes a thunderbolt when your lightning hits one enemy so you can kill bosses easily and you're good
exotic cobalt
exotic cobalt
XD
proven sage
now steal curses
crimson plume
I've once gotten dual edge from the final boss... I have no idea why he sometimes drops scrolls. but he does and once it was fucking dual edge lmao
sweet pine
We love being able to get to infinite health 
clear ledge
octopus gun is ok
exotic cobalt
Rate my cheese
brave pivot
Is there a name for the art style this game uses?
mossy sequoia
Its light cell shading iirc
brave pivot
I feel like they use textures very sparingly. Mostly working with just fully coloring in faces
mossy sequoia
More reliant on outlines to make things pop instead of shading/texture
brave pivot
yeah, often they create detail through more intricate meshes with just solidly coloured faces instead of textures
I was wondering if there was a specific name for that style
It is something often done in cel shading, but I don't think that is actually what cel shading means
cel shading really just describes that there no gradual shadows. instead whole aces have a monotone shading
I think
sick root
Could someone help me understand why I can't select this top option? I thought 2 was the max exclusive without modifications, or is that not the problem?
brave pivot
do you already have all cursed scrolls in the game? 😜
sick root
just inferior magazine lol
exotic cobalt
Could someone help me understand why I can't select this top option? I thought 2...
What is your talent level?
exotic cobalt
Your - talent - level. The Talent menu on the main menu
the big number above your character prior to starting, the number to the top right, etc etc
This talent needs to be level 2/3 to have more than 1 exclusive
sick root
This is spiritual assault
my talent tree is maxed but i thought talent tree doesn't affect spiritual assault?
exotic cobalt
The only thing I can think of is then - do you have every curse in the entire game?
sick root
nope just one.
exotic cobalt
There's info I'm missing here >, >
sick root
maybe spiritual assault just has a natural max 1 exclusive without any targeted upgrades
yeah there it is
exotic cobalt
hmm..
sick root
certified bruh moment but it is what it is
exotic cobalt
I always use Exclusive Inscription - but I swear 2 was the cap
sick root
I also kind of assumed that because a majority of the builds i've played recently have been skill damage builds, and I coincidentally got that one scroll that makes all weapons have 2 exclusives on a few of them
exotic cobalt
Well if it ain't a bigger point to use the exclusive inscription jade, I dunno what else is. Although I'll state I over-assumed seeing you have 2 exclusives in total...
lord knows I reroll 6+ times and can't get 1 to appear with the jade
gusty mountain
sick root
different mysterious chest option
gusty mountain
unique iron
Alright uhm guys
What is the Backup weapon thing?
Holding F key on weapons
I thought it would change my secondary weapon but they just dissapeared
onyx stirrup
If you press tab you will see them in the bottom right corner, It's kinda like a store for later thing
unique iron
If you press tab you will see them in the bottom right corner, It's kinda like a...
oh
only per run?
onyx stirrup
They don't save in between runs if that's what you mean
But you can store them at the Arsenal guard that spawns in vaults at the end of stages or after pole monarch
unique iron
Is there any known op passive on weapons or combinations?
I've heard about the spore gemini
proud needle
Thats something almost all weapons can have
and "Op combinations" there are way too many
dull plaza
magshare, elemental share, demonlore combos, infinite magazine combos, etc
mossy sequoia
Blessings
zealous fern
Hey is it just me or do all the characters feel 10x slower than before the update?
proud needle
Thats just you
zealous fern
Like no way they didnt just accidentally adjust the speed of the characters
proud needle
No
zealous fern
this is actually dreadful
proud needle
There was nothing changed
That is literally just you feeling that they are slower
No speed was changed
rose talon
I just entered the boss stage for the golem.
something about these two is not working right lmao
rose talon
I noticed. It seems to just do whatever and sometimes nothing
proud needle
Yeah more often than enough you get a money count with no 9 with the enhanced
which should be possible
rose talon
also this seems to have been bugged to hell and back because I was most definitely not dealing +100% damage
echo python
What do you guys think is the best/favorite element combo? I remember when I started I super liked explosion but now i'm a Miasma gamer.
proud fable
What do you guys think is the best/favorite element combo? I remember when I sta...
Act 1: hallucination. Taking the aggro from those pesky crossbowmen and longbowmen off of you is needed, as you're super weak
Act 2-4: Combustion. Big explosion, big damage
echo python
Wait miasma got nerfed? I Thought it was super strong by principle. Well time to go back to the original me lol.
gusty mountain
It used to do aoe damage.
halcyon thicket
never seen an elemental chance above 100%
gusty mountain
Wait miasma got nerfed? I Thought it was super strong by principle. Well time to...
echo python
Oh dang, Well its still seems good. I might try more Explosion now though. I don't know how but I kinda convinced myself it wasn't that good.
thorny parcel
Miasma is more of a "bare minimum" damage.
Stacking it still kills most enemies reasonably fast, it's just any properly made build or even the half decent ones in Reincarnation will kill much faster.
You do Miasma if your damage sucks.
echo python
Ahhhh I see, So for someone like Ao Bai then Combustion is super strong.
rose talon
most miasma I deal is just by pure accident because I use shock for damage debuff and fire+corrosion for damage
is it still true that combustion damage does not count as explosive damage?
thorny parcel
Yes.
echo python
Dang, Now I wanna try playing again. It's been far too long since I tried some classic combustion.
rose talon
Now I remember the good old times when spores were applied by one weapon and had to be triggered with the other.
Ao bai dual wield with two rainbows and you had the explosive laser
It wasn't strong but looked hella funny to have all the enemies permanently explode
rose talon
Cursed
pine trout
damn what the
teach me your secrets
my damage records are always on cat or tiger
oh wait, multiplayer
what about single
crimson plume
I think the secret is high level hell with weapon essensions lmao
tidal solstice
wanna know the secret sauce really?
tidal solstice
hold on im in game rn
crimson plume
I mean he's insane with his weapon buff spiritual blessing
tidal solstice
there's a cheese to it
if you don't do the cheese, you can't really beat 2-4 Billion
2 main things
Immortals, and the final boss when he goes invincible, shoot his phantom and not the main boss
shooting both will count towards final DMG
crimson plume
Yeah I knew that
It's dumb
Although final boss still takes 10% of the clones damage
I mean there's so much cheese to total run damage that no one really cares about the big numbers now
Considering you can grind infinitely
pine trout
I almost got to 10 billion in singleplayer
but damn it's hard
how often do you get pyrodominance 3 on tiger
crimson plume
Someone a while ago got over 600b. Because they playing for 6+ hours
pine trout
yeah I guess I could have just farmed adds or something
crimson plume
Farming infinite Respawnables form enemies like the monk
Even highest shot damage isn't exactly a big brag anymore coz you just play multiplayer and rock an argus on monkey cudgel
It has an inscription that basically completely bypasses the cap
thorny parcel
Only stats that matter is how long you took and how few times you get killed.
Can't fake those numbers.
pine trout
wait
due to the way Hell reloads, Concurrent Cooldown continues working as you do it
you can potentially reload forever
new build
teal wave
wanna know the secret sauce really?
boost new players and stack dual edge
golden fog
For Zi Xiao 
, how do you upgrade an occult scroll with scroll divination?
thorny parcel
It does it automatically. Scrolls in you backpack with a yellow mark have been upgraded.
golden fog
Thank you
novel token
Do you think, all those Reincarnation 8 Speedruns in a very short time are hacked?
split gyro
analog lake
also you only see the final result when you’re watching a speedrun, not the obscene amount of time it takes to actually get that run
altanna is partially right though, r8 is fairly easy to clear in under 15 min on some characters if you’re experienced w the game
tao/dog/lei especially
crimson plume
Do you think, all those Reincarnation 8 Speedruns in a very short time are hacke...
Lmao what?
It's easy to get a sub 15 with a bit of practice
My best is sub 11 or r8
rough basin
do the exp drops on spiritual assault expire after some time?
asking cuz im curious if effective sweeper might be underated if yes
median prairie
XP doesnt expire or despawn, no
The most practical reason to use this jade is to get better performance/FPS if your playstyle ends up leaving tons of XP on the ground for long periods of time lmao
rough basin
aah, got it. that makes sense
median prairie
The intended reason is, like, dont have to run around as much to pick up stuff so its easier to level moment to moment. But every time there is a major break(10min, 20min, 30min) you automatically gather all XP anyway
rough basin
yeah
crimson plume
It should be a 1 slot imma be honest
rough basin
or it could be a default feature. no more picking up the exp but getting it direclty. but i like it this way too as it sounds nice if you get a lot
crimson plume
Auto xp would make sense as you get it all automatically anyway at the end of the stage
median prairie
Its likely not auto just for the sake of trying to keep you moving around/difficult to stay in one place
It actually does achieve that in the desert level since XP is so thin and you need to grab pretty much whatever drops in most instances.(and sweeper is a little better there ig) But for fjord, yeah its pretty whatever, might as well just be auto.
crimson plume
Yeah that's fair
exotic cobalt
Man if this doesn't prove how busted owl is late-game I don't know what will... Ye don't even got stacks of evil devouring...
Did you Dual Edge farm?
exotic cobalt
asking cuz im curious if effective sweeper might be underated if yes
This jade should honestly be like "+300% auto pick up range, 25% chance to double experience picked up"
Give it a bigger use than being a 3x1 jade for a vacuum cleaner :l
rocky tulip
hey, what dlc do u recomend me to buy?
crimson plume
Man if this doesn't prove how busted owl is late-game I don't know what will... ...
It's pretty much because he used "cheese" to get crazy high damage on a high damage weapon combo
exotic cobalt
It's pretty much because he used "cheese" to get crazy high damage on a high dam...
I suppose he did something that couldn't accidentally harm the main boss
gusty mountain
attack clones
median prairie
specifically*, clones while monarch is suckin the jars so the 10% dmg "siphon" doesnt work
crimson plume
He was also talking about immortal enemies, it's common practice to inflate your score without actually grinding infinite spawns
exotic cobalt
But immortals take no damage...?
am I bein' gaslit? 0 damage numbers appear when harming an immortal during invincibility does it not?
and I don't mean damage numbers appearing as 0 - I mean literally nothing appears
crimson plume
Pretty sure it still counts but im not certain
But with the build when you're hitting everything for 10m you rack up the damage fast
gusty mountain
Just tested, numbers don't appear but it still counts towards your total dmg.
crimson plume
Yeah thought so
languid finch
😂
novel token
Lmao what?
Yea.. i watched a Speedrun with the Owl.. and it was under 7 minutes. I copied the Link, give it to a friend and He said, it's fake. Time stops at treasures and He thinks, the enemies have less hp
median prairie
Unfortunately for your friend they are simply incorrect
crimson plume
Time stops when interacting with shops, treasures goblets etc.
and after a boss is killed
and in the beginning area of the stage
median prairie
If you got the run link from speedrun.com its legit
crimson plume
But also i doubt it was under 7 minutes...
Isn't the WR for him atm like just about sub 10 in normal and R8
median prairie
Easily very possible if its an act3 quit out
And also sounds like it was probably actually R1 and not R8 but idk would probably help if @novel token could provide the link to the run
crimson plume
7 minutes is still very impressive. For it not to be on speedrun.com with that time is surprising
exotic cobalt
If you got the run link from speedrun.com its legit
Minecraft speedruns intensifies
median prairie
Fortunately its way harder to cheat in this game than minecraft lol
exotic cobalt
Well the game does generate off seeds
is there proof nobody figured out how to force a seed?
median prairie
In gunfire?
median prairie
I dont think there is even a single percent of progress toward understanding RNG and seed generation in this game
exotic cobalt
If you force another load at a save point every time, the levels connect the same
which is a sign that there's something causing the predestined direction
median prairie
You mean via AltF4ing?
exotic cobalt
I guess it's a large stretch for me to say it's a seed - but name a procedural game that doesn't have a seed
median prairie
Of course but many games use different types of seeding
exotic cobalt
yus
I will state when a crash or so happened in the past, the scrolls were not the same - but the layout still stayed the same
so something is predestining things, but it doesn't seem to be "You WILL get this scroll at this time"
median prairie
As far as I understand that is just randomness, as during Pity setup for speedrun files we explicitly use AltF4ing to reroll layouts more efficiently
If you were guaranteed the same set of layouts within a stage upon, say, hitting a campfire, this method wouldnt be possible
exotic cobalt
but that's what I'm sayin' o -o
I'd go through a level
4 or so stages of desert - some crash would happen
I'd go back, the same 4 stages had the same "Direction"
granted not everything stuck the same
but I assume a speedrunner would love levels that connected with minimal effort from room to room
median prairie
I’m meaning to say that you getting the same room layout again was just simple luck
exotic cobalt
given some of the runs I've seen, I guess I can't fault solid rng.
median prairie
If you wanted to affirm this, go to the 2-0 campfire, enter 2-1 to check your level layout, enter 2-2 to check your level layout and then AltF4
Repeat like ~3 times and see if your 2-1 and 2-2 are the same across all repeats.
gusty mountain
The level after the campfire will always be the same.
exotic cobalt
yeh I never abused alt-f4 . -. hence why I only took note of it during said crashes that happened to me
gusty mountain
I think the campfire and next level are loaded together.
exotic cobalt
Would make sense
gusty mountain
Or the campfire area is in the same area.
exotic cobalt
somewhat
median prairie
I’m still not 100% sure if this is true as I’m quite positive I’ve experienced the first layout changing
exotic cobalt
since nothing you could choose as a blessing of sorts could influence the very first room
although
median prairie
But I could just be misremembering
exotic cobalt
we have the scroll thing now
it could very much be something that existed pre-dlc pre-release
but I would bet the scroll choices now influence the first stage
gusty mountain
I remembering alt-f4ing to get the costs for enhanced scrolls.
First area was always the same, phantom peddler was just in a different spot each time.
exotic cobalt
I remember when people alt-f4'd off the first room... although I swear since the very beginning you could just exit to save essence?
or was that a change
median prairie
That was a change
exotic cobalt
twas patched to make it so exiting off the beginning saves essence spent?
Very considerate devs o ,o
median prairie
First area was always the same, phantom peddler was just in a different spot eac...
I’ll have to check back thru some of my old vods to cross reference and ask around
exotic cobalt
with speedrunning - does it only take game time?
median prairie
It could be some oddness relating to advancing RNG seeds and having no action the advance the seed from a campfire load
median prairie
with speedrunning - does it only take game time?
Yes, speedruns are timed IGT for leaderboards
novel token
exotic cobalt
What's stopping me from Alt-F4'ing cause the game chose to give 2 rooms with delayed death? . -.
median prairie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33gDosDPEGM
That's it
Yes, this run is legitimate and not cheated
median prairie
What's stopping me from Alt-F4'ing cause the game chose to give 2 rooms with del...
The only thing stopping you is having to replay everything leading up to it
median prairie
This is because his save file is set to read only as it makes resetting faster
exotic cobalt
huh..? ... you load faster out of fails/exits from read-only? o -o
median prairie
The game makes a temp file of your save if it detects that your file is read only
crimson plume
Doesn't a seed also infer that the scrolls will be the same?
median prairie
huh..? ... you load faster out of fails/exits from read-only? o -o
No. I mean resetting the game between attempts.
novel token
Yes, this run is legitimate and not cheated
Das sick
exotic cobalt
Jesus christ this run-
median prairie
Doesn't a seed also infer that the scrolls will be the same?
This would be the case if said seed were static for the entire run
exotic cobalt
wait what
median prairie
But as is likely the case, the seed the RNG is using is likely always changing by many unknown factors all the time
exotic cobalt
he unlock-dropped thunder screen???
bro is 186 and unlock-dropped it from enemies??
crimson plume
Das sick
Sub 10s are fairly common amongst those who actually dedicate time to speedrunning. You should see the sub 8s and 7s
median prairie
Hence why individual RNG instances cant be replicated or influenced
exotic cobalt
crimson plume
bro is 186 and unlock-dropped it from enemies??
It's a file that reduces the amount of scrolls and weapons to help with RNG
exotic cobalt
oh that's just bloody cheap
crimson plume
Also uses the "pity" system where you cant enter the same layout 2 for the next 2 games
exotic cobalt
speedrun should require 100% unlock
crimson plume
I mean... it's speedrunning
Dude
have you seen the recent minecraft systems?
People have programs running perfect seeds
And calculations for strongholds
exotic cobalt
They have programs generating 15-20 worlds every few seconds, using entity charts to figure out stronghold and bastion locations
coordinate and position trackers to triangulate the eye of ender
etc
crimson plume
And you call this cheap?
median prairie
Regardless of how u feel about the file u are still getting ludicrously lucky and using a lower unlock file does not actually make it easier to get lucky
exotic cobalt
Well that's apples to oranges - this game uses in-game timer. Minecraft speedrunners are timed off the getgo not using in-game
so they have to play cheap programs to cut the outside time
while still ensuring nothing is manipulated
(minecraft speedruns notorious for being caught cheated)
hushed sinew
Prettymuch all scrolls have hidden weightings regardless of tier, So even if you reduce the pool it's still lucky
crimson plume
Even full unlocks you can still easily get a sub 9
The pity file just helps decrease shit rng
exotic cobalt
these unlock drops are still attached via. links.
like if none of the unlock scrolls had links - it's less arguable
but Sorcerer? +60% Damage?
crimson plume
you cant pick them up
median prairie
To clarify you’re not actually allowed to use drops mid run
crimson plume
thats against the rules
median prairie
You get them dropped but you are not allowed to use them.
If the drop comes from unlock* of course
exotic cobalt
... =- ='... so ... does the file contain ALL unlockables locked
or very SPECIFIC ones
crimson plume
no
median prairie
Its impossible to do that so it just aims to reduce as many as possible
hushed sinew
All the files used in runs are Manually made, i.e. not save edited or anything like you would see in other games.
exotic cobalt
^I'm wondering legitimacy of that
hushed sinew
So there's a specific limitation to how and what you can prevent unlocking whilst getting the things you need.
crimson plume
It's very legit
median prairie
I watched him make the file