Reincarnation 8, the "hardest difficulty," is one of the most trivial difficulties with a good build
#All Platforms
proud fable
pine trout
the elite wave at the end of stage 2 is the last time you'll have difficulties imo
if you get past that you'll wipe the floor with the rest
peak widget
what on earth is this circle?
tight venture
What are we now a year in? With no update for console. Fun.
teal wave
And thats why i play pc games
pine trout
wonder how fast I can make the penguin elite be if I stack all the movespeed scrolls on enemies
teal wave
Its like 660% extra damage
But i think i was missing improved clip
You can definitely get 700-800% extra damage with battle pace if all movement scrolls in the game are enhanced
pine trout
I mean the enemy though
velvet hamlet
What are we now a year in? With no update for console. Fun.
blame 505
tight venture
blame 505
Was the devs idea to go with 505. And their continued use of 505 who I’m sure isn’t holding up their end of the deal. The first and foremost blame is on the original devs.
velvet hamlet
id disagree with that
i dont think it's usually the devs that have the control over that decision
i dont know much about the gunfire dev's situation
but it's usually the business people that strike those deals
tight venture
Not to mention their TOTAL silence and refusal to acknowledge the issue of Xbox console port. Or PlayStation launch date gets cancelled on the same day lol. Really sad they can’t get their stuff together.
peak widget
they nerfed the fek outa bird D:
velvet hamlet
Not to mention their TOTAL silence and refusal to acknowledge the issue of Xbox ...
total silence?
opal geyser
what on earth is this circle?
i believe it's a blessing that makes u do 150% or so more damage to enemies iron wing was attacking? and the circle just shows ur getting the damage buff
rocky wraith
Is it just me or is Owl secondary spam insanely fun?
Actually both the new chars are insanely fun
thorny parcel
The fun part is because they're absurdly OP.
In Owl's case it's because you can reach a point that you throw out a virtually infinite stream of auto-tracking, high damage cards.
In Red Panda's case, it's because with 1 blessing you can just win the entire game without doing anything, and failure is borderline not an option.
teal wave
i believe it's a blessing that makes u do 150% or so more damage to enemies iron...
Its kinda weird because it appears when you fire rockets at an enemy
golden fog
How does Lei Luo's 
Voltic Surge Work?
proud fable
wym?
if you hit a crit on an enemy, they take more crit damage
if the critx is above 4, the damage they take from crits is increased
Except for level 3, where all crits will do 40% more damage after critting an enemy
thorny parcel
if the critx is above 4, the damage they take from crits is increased
Wrong way round. The bonus increases with 4x CritX or above.
proud fable
shit mb
acoustic mango
is it just me or is angelic aura completely busted
thorny parcel
It's only busted in certain circumstances.
acoustic mango
idk, i've found angelic auras that are as barebones as having like, just crit and maybe a little lucky shot on them and they feel like an absolute buzzsaw compared to most other weapons i've tried
maybe it's different on nightmare, i guess? i don't have that unlocked yet
thorny parcel
Enemies die like flies on difficulties below Nightmare.
velvet hamlet
above nightmare too!
thorny parcel
Above nightmare it's less that Angelic Aura is busted, and more that you're just coasting on the power of everything else.
acoustic mango
what weapons should i look out for that are actually strong, then? not really that much content about this game to watch
thorny parcel
At the point you're at, you probably don't need to care about anything actually strong, because some of them end up being more complicated or harder to use effectively.
Plus most of that is just combining what you find effectively.
magic iris
Porcupine is hella strong.
BTW Porkypine has an alt-fire, which I never knew til recently
Shotgun blast, instead of exploding from the impact point
HUGE DPS, since you can fire as fast as you can click the button
Slap some miasma on dat.
(corrosion+lightning)
thorny parcel
HUGE DPS, since you can fire as fast as you can click the button
No you can't. It's got a rather low RoF.
proud fable
what weapons should i look out for that are actually strong, then? not really th...
ARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUSARGUS
(Argus)
thorny parcel
That's the "Harder to use effectively" category.
Argus is lowish range.
And you need to get really close for staggers and bonus damage.
proud fable
Yes but if you can
its veri strong
Pushing back enemies is a huge bonus
Keeps arsonists away from you
longbowmen and retainers stop aimbotting
You can cancel crossbowmens insane volley of high damage bolts in reincarnation
etc
clever olive
Concurrent Coolodown scroll stops consuming when ammo is below 50%? The way it is written is throwing me off. No bonus for single ammo weapons too?
proud fable
Concurrent Coolodown scroll stops consuming when ammo is below 50%? The way it i...
ye
magic iris
No you can't. It's got a rather low RoF.
For the number of projectiles/damage, and the fact that you can fire as fast as you can pull the trtigger, no.
Porkypine does not have a low RoF, especially for a Large weapon 😄
proud fable
For the number of projectiles/damage, and the fact that you can fire as fast as ...
I think altanna is talking about the weapon skill
which does have a low RoF
proud fable
yes porcupine does have a good rof
thorny parcel
Porkypine does not have a low RoF, especially for a Large weapon 😄
Its primary fire has a RoF of 4.5. That's equivalent to a fully spun-up Illusion, with half the damage but about double the projectiles (which might not even hit, due to the scatter effect).
The de-facto "as fast as you can click" weapon is Woodpecker, which has a RoF of 10.0.
proud fable
Its primary fire has a RoF of 4.5. That's equivalent to a fully spun-up Illusion...
Woodpecker is sponsored by jakobs
velvet hamlet
Its primary fire has a RoF of 4.5. That's equivalent to a fully spun-up Illusion...
WAIT THE WOODPECKER HAS WHAT
altanna you are teaching me new things every day
proud fable
WAIT THE WOODPECKER HAS WHAT
u didnt know it has a rof of 10?
velvet hamlet
i do not use weapons
proud fable
Only rambo
thorny parcel
Woodpecker is sponsored by jakobs
Scalpel is sponsored by Hyperion, Scorching Rounds is sponsored by Torgue, Cavalry is sponsored by Dahl, Angelic Aura is sponsored by Vladof, Concealed Ammo is sponsored by Tediore, Dual Fang is sponsored by Maliwan, Big Hippo is sponsored by Bandit, and Dragonchaser is sponsored by Atlas.
proud fable
jesus you put a lotta thought into this huh
personally I'd say crimson firescale is more maliwan
bc it gives off hellfire vibes
right down to the big circle on the side of the weapon
if sunder was explosive it would be sponsored by torgue
bc unkempt harold
everything else tho 💯
sick root
Didn't explicitly say on the wiki so I'm asking here. Does enhanced giant slayer get buffed by the Lone Wolf bizarre dream? if you have lone wolf set to 4 players, will your max damage be 20k or still 5k because you technically only have 1 player still?
woven pike
Hey could someone explain to me how the owl character works? I’d like to get around to using her
sick root
Hey could someone explain to me how the owl character works? I’d like to get aro...
#1055550986292297838 message
There's an indepth guide there. It looks (and kinda is) complicated but it should click after running a few rounds
acoustic mango
how tf do yo uget the star ring to do damage
which part of the effect is the damage part
sick root
The blue ring around you. There is no other part to it afaik. pushing it out, pulling it in, and even leaving it in place and walking back and forth to drag it over enemies all does damage
rocky wraith
Yea you just set it to auto and spam right click in a mass of enemies
thorny parcel
Congrats.
Unless you did it with Nona, in which case I congratulate Iron Wing instead.
acoustic mango
Congrats.
Unless you did it with Nona, in which case I congratulate Iron Wing i...
bird
sick root
"set it to auto" what
There's a hot key for certain weapons to set them to Automatic or Semi-Automatic, one of the first you find is the Cavalry. You see just below the picture of your weapon in the bottom right what mode it's currently in, and what hot key you have set for it.
rocky wraith
scapel's is single and double shot or somethin like that
i wouldnt know, they wont give it lightning ball inscription and i mainly play tiger
peak widget
i believe it's a blessing that makes u do 150% or so more damage to enemies iron...
was showing up with more than just iron wing tho.
Pretty sure I wasn't nona.
opal geyser
oh i'm not totally sure then, i just remember seeing that icon when i used that blessing on nona
peak widget
Maybe not sure xD Maybe I was nona not the best of memories xD
opal geyser
valid i still know next to nothing about the new heroes rein blessings anyway
mossy sequoia
bc unkempt harold
*dpuh
proud fable
*dpuh
It doesnt fire two volleys
It only fires one volley of splitting projectiles per shot
Like a normal unkempt harold
proud fable
that emoji lmao
quartz current
add projectile increases for Sunder
Don't do it we cannot give this man that level of power
proud fable
The council of regulars is debating
sharp umbra
I have a question I was looking at the roadmap and I was just wondering how big are these new maps because it doesn't state. Does any one actually know the size of these new maps? Is it just a size of a room or a new chunck?
proud fable
I have a question I was looking at the roadmap and I was just wondering how big ...
It means new map for spiritual assault
Which is a whole new area
sharp umbra
Which is a whole new area
So what multiple rooms then for one of the four zones?
proud fable
So what multiple rooms then for one of the four zones?
Have u played spiritual assault?
sharp umbra
No don't think so I have just played the main regular mode.
proud fable
alr
sharp umbra
Just only finished normal mode.
proud fable
makes sense
you have to be level 60 to play it
spiritual assault is a different gamemode
Where enemies get thrown at you for 30 minutes straight
theres 3 maps rn
thorny basalt
It's basically
"Know how to build or die"
From what I've seen.
proud fable
One for longling tomb, one for anxi desert, one for duo fjord
one for hyperbolean jokul is going to be added in a few months
sharp umbra
Yeah I gathered that now I think I'm level 60 don't know not played in a month or two.
mossy sequoia
Theres a tomb SA now?
proud fable
Theres a tomb SA now?
According to the roadmap there is
proud fable
proud fable
I don’t ever play it, so I wouldn’t know
same
sharp umbra
Where enemies get thrown at you for 30 minutes straight
That sounds pretty cool though I'd like to eventually try it out.
proud fable
That sounds pretty cool though I'd like to eventually try it out.
Ye
You get exp from those enemies, which levels you up
every time u level up you can choose one of 3 things
Sometimes itll let you choose one of 3 ascensions, somethings you can choose one of 3 weapons (Or upgrade the weapon ur holding), or you can choose one of 3 scrolls
I think theres a formula but I forgot it
sharp umbra
But then it also makes me think why don't the devs add these maps as part of the regular game mode.
The mode sounds pretty complex from what you said but still fun.
proud fable
Its not too complex
I just suck at explaining things
The devs dont add the maps to the normal mode bc they are way too big
mossy sequoia
But then it also makes me think why don't the devs add these maps as part of the...
The SA maps are just based on regular mode maps
Too big to be a tile though
sharp umbra
Ah that's why then.
proud fable
They're like... idk 5-6 times bigger than a regular room
maybe more
Depends on the room
sharp umbra
Pretty big then but still can't they just reshape some rooms to stick some of these in?
proud fable
Ehh
I guess theres a room or two that can be taken from the SA map and reshaped to fit the main game
however that requires a lot more to the base game
sharp umbra
Or just have it as a pocket area like some of the vaults.
proud fable
Ehh
Idk if that works
the rooms are basically like that With some like, stairs or ramps connecting them
the bigger ones aren't "shaped" to be a vault
and the smaller ones are too small to be a vault or a room
sharp umbra
Then can't they stick some small rooms together? Granted I don't know what they look like exactly so I don't fully know if it can work.
proud fable
Then can't they stick some small rooms together? Granted I don't know what they ...
Some could be stuck together
Others can't
sharp umbra
Then that's something then but then again I don't know if these are already used as vaults.
proud fable
they arent
I think the rooms that can be connected seamlessly are still too small
maybe not tho bc there are some small seal maps
irdk
maybe devs want some stuff to be exclusive to SA
bc the enemies are all the same
sharp umbra
Yeah I guess so I was just thinking of different ways they could expand on stuff.
proud fable
Like I said tho
its also complicated to add new rooms into the regular game
Every act room has a specific layout
theres a bunch of set layouts that generate as a combination of multiple rooms
sharp umbra
Yeah I get maybe if they want to take on the challenge I guess because I think it would be cool if they eventually make branching paths.
proud fable
branching paths could be cool
Idk if theres something that would make em not work
I'd have to think abt it
but ye being able to choose one of two routes to go
sharp umbra
Yeah the only problem I can think of really is people always going to the same zones because it would be pretty annoying doing the different challenges needed to get stuff.
proud fable
Yeah and in multiplayer it would be an issue
sharp umbra
But I think it would be pretty for world building like having a map showing the different locations on it and all that.
And a voting system would only get you so far with solving that problem but then maybe the devs could make the challenges more open to freedom or have the different enemies not in just one zone.
pine trout
so many scrolls that the game gave me Unfettered Will 5 times
I think this character is most fun with none of his unique blessings, occult booster is hilarious when you can reroll so many times
sharp umbra
so many scrolls that the game gave me Unfettered Will 5 times
Wow that is a lot I don't really know my highest amount I normally quickly get off that menu to even notice how many scrolls I had that run.
Plus it seems I probably would never get past the nightmare difficulty of the game to get to reincarnation because apparently from what I heard nightmare is quite difficult.
twilit lake
How i make the summon of the new character into ranged mode? e.e
red thunder
How i make the summon of the new character into ranged mode? e.e
middle mouse button if you're on pc
magic iris
It's (re)mappable.
crystal saddle
So now new heroes have been out for abit what’s the build who’s the better one
Like are skill builds viable on either what spirit blessings do u pick is primary skill better then spamming their Q etc
thorny parcel
From my understanding based on other people (I haven't played a single run with either of them), Nona is the better one.
Zi Xiao's secondary can end up being OP, but his primary apparently takes too much effort for not enough gain.
Nona however has both primary and secondary work quite well, and even has good weapon builds. Then you look at the fact that she turns solo into multiplayer and you see things really get off the rails.
pine trout
81 scrolls, maybe one day I'll get every single scroll in one run
Owl's ultra busted build is definitely secondary. Primary is a bit awkward to work with, it only "turns on" rather late in the game and your DPS is still quite low from what I've seen
the most fun though is definitely abusing the reroll mechanic on scrolls . With all the Reincarnation modifiers this gets hilarious.
Give enemies Deflection Shield and turn that garbage scroll into something useful.
oh, and with Occult Booster rerolling a scroll also has a 20% chance of returning an enhanced scroll, but enhanced scrolls always reroll into other enhanced scrolls.
proud fable
81 scrolls, maybe one day I'll get every single scroll in one run
thats over 150
You'd need to have insane 4 player luck for that to occur
pine trout
hmm, with four Owls though
I wonder if you can reroll a scroll that another Owl has rerolled
tight venture
Anyone else doubting the ps5 version will have any dlc at all? I’m betting on base game no dlc about same as Xbox version even with the boss bug so can’t finish runs.
proud fable
Anyone else doubting the ps5 version will have any dlc at all? I’m betting on ba...
Ay young padawan
you have not been wary of the mark of the devil
505 games released gfr on xbox and pc gamepass
They have not released any dlc for the gamepass and will probably not do so for a while to come
505 games is releasing the gfr port for ps
so you're damn right ps players aren't getting shit (At least for a while)
tight venture
Either we getting it all and up to date
Or it’s gonna be same day 1 GFR launch base version barebones
I’m guessing barebones edition and no dlc or update ever coming.
Feeling like a vaporware cash grab
thorny parcel
My money is on it's somewhere in the middle.
Because the creation of the Xbox version started at around the same time the game was on it's 1.0 update.
Result was the xbox version was around the 1.0 update.
Depending on when the playstation version started a while ago, it might have a later update.
But definitely not the latest.
Possible it might have Visitors of Spirit Realm DLC, as that was made 9 months ago.
If 505 somehow got the port ready within that time.
tight venture
I’d be fine with everything except the newest that just launched.
But I have low hopes
I’ll wait and see if anyone buys it first. Hell it doesn’t even have price on the store still lol
They should have done their own ports instead let 505 drag their name and their game through the mud
thorny parcel
Probably didn't have the expertise or manpower.
And "hire more people" isn't as simple as that.
Next logical step down is you find another company who does have the expertise and manpower to agree to it.
Unfortunately, it was 505 games, who had a reputation.
tight venture
After they failed on Xbox. They should have found someone else for playstation
thorny parcel
Only 2 reasons for it I can think of is:
- They intend to have crossplay with gamepass somehow. This has the downside of syncing it up with gamepass's abyssmal updates, but it might also be an upside that they actually do update gamepass when playstation releases.
- They've already commited to it, like signing a contract for several platforms, or because they get a cheap deal for extra platforms after gamepass.
tight venture
Well part of the contract should be 1. Update the game and have it in working and playable condition
I’m sure 505 isn’t living up to whatever contract they have in place as shown with the bad Xbox version
quartz current
Look on the bright side! Xbox has old combustion 
proud fable
and rainbow glitch!
tight venture
Guessing it’s not June 8th enough yet 🙂 for the release lol.
Probably delayed again
Hurry up ff16. Hype 🚂
proud fable
granted they dont delay it
tight venture
Ff16? Nope it’s 100% coming they even said it don’t even need a day 1 patch
Gunfire though. I expect a delay. No price on PlayStation store. Nothing just wishlist and follow lol.
proud fable
yeah but gfr is also said to come out june 8th
tight venture
Plenty of indies with release dates and prices
exotic cobalt
thorny parcel
Time to find a peculiar chest to donate a certain scroll to!
proud fable
<:princecri:761278486224437258>
what kind of bird build requires you to need damage to enemies with elements?
and how do you have good enough rng to use 5 select alls by the desert!?
I call haking
thorny parcel
You don't really need good RNG to get it early or use it.
Getting it when you want it, on the other hand...
proud fable
I mean
I guess
but to use it 5 times
that means you need to get two ascensions you want 5 times
Maybe I just have shitty luck
but damn
thorny parcel
Who said anything about wanting both ascensions?
All you gotta do is press a button 5 times.
proud fable
do people just use it for the sake of using it!?
thorny parcel
Some people might if they don't understand how things work together.
proud fable
AIEEEE NOOOOOO
thorny parcel
I mean, I literally watched a guy who played Nona, did a missile build and took something from the yellow tree because he thought it would work, when it doesn't.
thorny parcel
And that was without this scroll too, so that was his one ascension.
proud fable
does mastery work?
thorny parcel
Not sure about the attack speed, but the attack power definitely doesn't.
proud fable
Great.
thorny parcel
Given missiles have its own attack speed though, I doubt it works for both.
proud fable
When I do my missile builds I would only take 3 things from the yello tree
more hp
mastery
and if I had no better options then I'd take the one point ascension so I have a higher chance of getting ascensions I want
good to know I dont need to take mastery anymore
proven sage
does the Elemental share mech work for its missiles?
proud fable
no
proven sage
proud fable
Its only for strike mode
thorny parcel
Yeah, Masterly specifically says "attack power" which is a stat Iron Wing has.
The descriptions also say that when Iron Wing shoots, it uses your own missiles.
exotic cobalt
thorny parcel
Victory Rush is obviously the better choice.
exotic cobalt
h u h... I accidentally beaten the highest damage I ever dealt? . ,.
exotic cobalt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic cobalt
Tf was your build!?
thorny parcel
Spirit Argus is my bet.
white spindle
Yo, where can I get that loading screen art? want to use it as a wall paper
exotic cobalt
I think there's a bugged interaction with a scroll or two during this run that allowed that damage
can't quite put my finger on it though
proven sage
I think there's a bugged interaction with a scroll or two during this run that a...
Double Tap
gusty mountain
Yo, where can I get that loading screen art? want to use it as a wall paper
The loading screen. 
silent osprey
does mastery work?
the attack power, no; the attack speed, surprisingly yes?
i've noticed that the mech shoots missile quicker when i don't even have 1 point in the fire mode attack speed ascension.
though i might be tripping.
teal wave
When I do my missile builds I would only take 3 things from the yello tree
You dont take energy overload?
silver elk
When are the news gonna come that the playstation release is gonna be delayed again
velvet hamlet
nobody knows
crimson plume
Considering they haven't announced a delay an hour before release it will likely come out today but who knows with 505
silver elk
where was the relase Time written
crimson plume
theres a countdown on the playstation store
velvet hamlet
yeah
silver elk
im on ps4 it doesnt even show up in the store
crimson plume
orchid spire
Broo the new dlc is dopeee
tight venture
Any 1buy PlayStation yet ? It have any dlc ?
gusty mountain
It probably won't
silver flower
What is probably the best tier of scroll to go for with the owl for the level frame?
Leaning twords rare but maybe not?
Tried legendary but only having 2-3 scrolls by the time you make it to the dessert kind of sucks lol
gusty mountain
What belongs to dlc i bought it
new characters
silver elk
what characters i can get a bunny and a turtle that I dont know
gusty mountain
A fox, monkey, owl, and red panda.
silver elk
they arent there
silver flower
they arent there
If you're on playstation I don't think the DLC is out yet
tight venture
Probably won’t ever get them then if we didn’t get them now
hearty tendon
Anyone have problem to play together on ps4/ps5?
proud fable
You dont take energy overload?
Oh ur right I take that too
proud fable
I have no idea what I'm looking at
sacred nacelle
bruh!
tight venture
Don’t think console will ever get dlc
verbal pine
so one of my ps4 friends are having jitter iissues
fps issues
im on ps5 and its pretty smooth
tight venture
No way to change controls is there. Remap the L3 to center touchpad. So used to l3 for sprint even though we don’t have sprint. Dumb ass decision to map that as inventory
verbal pine
yep
exotic cobalt
I have no idea what I'm looking at
the ascensions I ahd that run ., .
proud fable
the ascensions I ahd that run ., .
No I get that
But I have no idea what to get from them
You have some leap ascensions, an elemental ascension, some shotgun ascensions, a reload ascension, two cleave ascensions
I have no idea what that makes
exotic cobalt
61 million damage apparently :p
proud fable
thats only +80% damage tho
serene kestrel
yea idk
i just was getting nuked
and I dropped my deflection shield way before these happened so
ooie ochie
turbid bough
PlayStation platform chat soon?
lavish marten
nintendo switch port copium ( sigh )
tidal solstice
My new record. 8.9 Billion on Owl. Got weapon scrolls, Weapon goblets, and main weapon was Hell paired with argus with the new Gemini for 1 shot in the magazine.
teal wave
Wait the hell and argus can get the 1 mag gemini?
Thats insane
Also i thought you were huge brain because the hell reloads one by one and abused it with the last star
But with the 1 mag and -50% reload time it pairs extremely well with astrological magazine
Very nice build, ill have to give it a try
Ive been running the same loadout but with the arc light and critx share
tidal solstice
Wait the hell and argus can get the 1 mag gemini?
You gotta get the Functional Deck from the mushroom guy at the start, the build revolves around getting the passive stacks to increse the weapon stats of the Hell
teal wave
Yea
teal wave
You gotta get the Functional Deck from the mushroom guy at the start, the build ...
Do you use rare astroaspects? Like
Or legendaries
tidal solstice
Legendary and Cursed
But there's one goblet that auto summons the primary and consumes the stacks, so you mainly run around spamming the secondary when you can
teal wave
Hmm
Ive been running with rare cause i felt like the base weapon dmg increase would be better than lucky shot
Ill do a run each with rares and then one with legendaries to see how it is
torpid shore
Does anyone know if soul strike (zin zhe) counts as weapon damage AND skill damage?
exotic cobalt
I thought my 61m dmg dealt was nutty enuff
Can there be like
another dream
where after you take out the final boss - you can "Loop", where it's still getting harder - and the red chests ultimately change to enhanced things and the vaults get nuttier
tis only 1 loop, but the game doesn't pull back any punches
like 3x more elite invasions, almost every enemy has a modifier, etc
teal wave
Does anyone know if soul strike (zin zhe) counts as weapon damage AND skill dama...
just weaponj
nova bane
I bave played the card owl build about 20 times now
And top dps every single time
Its just way too easy to get overpowered
When you can reroll scrolls
Its super consistent and the cards auto aim so its easy to play to too
Idk man this character is litterally not balanced
proud fable
Idk man this character is litterally not balanced
Welcome to gunfire reborn
plush estuary
Beeeg
woeful rover
Can PC steam play with ps5?
proud fable
Nope
The steam and mobile port is designed by Duoyi (The chads), while the xbox and pc gamepass, along with the playstation port are released by 505 games (The small cock beta males)
Idk which ones are crossplay
but I know anything by duoyi will not be crossplay with anything by 505
woeful rover
but I know anything by duoyi will not be crossplay with anything by 505
wow okay thanks
proud fable
Ye
Maybe one day in the future
The two sides
will come together
in peace and harmony
and make magic happen
but for now
rich harbor
The steam and mobile port is designed by Duoyi (The chads), while the xbox and p...
who made the game itsef
where did the game start
thorny parcel
Game started on Steam, made by Duoyi Games.
thorny parcel
Because they were asked to.
This is pure speculation, but it was likely due to Duoyi Games having minimal experience with console ports, and so made a contract with 505 Games to do it for them.
verbal pine
least they can do is give us the dlc and fix the ps4 jitter issue
velvet hamlet
you expect too much of 505
rich harbor
Because they were asked to.
ohh okay
tidal solstice
it takes abit to setup
😎
molten knot
cheeki question: anyone know what the tiny scroll icon above ascensions indicates?
high hemlock
cheeki question: anyone know what the tiny scroll icon above ascensions indicate...
not fully sure but I think it means it has a bonus effect. if you hold your mouse on it you should see what it does underneath
proven sage
its part of a Spiritual Link
proud needle
Basically Set Boni you can activate by combination of ascensions , scrolls and weapon/types
mossy sequoia
where after you take out the final boss - you can "Loop", where it's still getti...
Another shot lads 🍻
proud needle
I will say it :
Risk of Rain and other roguelikes like it spoiled people with that feature
The games that have this feature are fundamentally built different in how stats and skills are acquired
molten knot
ah right cheers.
turns out it shows up on ascensions you pull from ascension fusion but wont show up in your links due to being the wrong character
proud fable
where after you take out the final boss - you can "Loop", where it's still getti...
@velvet hamlet Weekly looping suggestion. Take another drink 🍻
@exotic cobalt Here is a list of some reasons of why we can't loop, courtesy of Altanna
"Reasons why looping wouldn't work.
• Any percentage-based damage, like Miasma or instant kills, will kill stronger loop enemies just as quickly.
• Any invincibility builds, like Leap or Windrider, will make losing impossible.
• Scrolls and ascensions do not stack. You will have them all eventually.
• Scrolls and ascensions are very powerful when synergized together. They will outscale enemies.
• Damage cap exists. You will reach a point where the game simply does not allow you to kill enemies any faster, besides percentage-based damage."
tight venture
The announcement that we the players take it up with 505. Like how are we going to do that?
Wouldn’t you think the people that hired 505 would have a better way to contact 505 and get answers or ETA on fixing and updating the version
proud needle
They have a website , they have support contacts and tickets.
We tried to get in contact with Duoyi higher ups to get something moving but havent gotten an answer.
Even Boltgun our CM contact cant help and is asking into the void.
It is the sad reality of the state of 505 games contact
This is their patch notes list for Gunfire
teal wave
proud needle
And that didnt include content
proud needle
how long have the ports been out?
October last year
gusty mountain
It's expected
proud fable
from 505
grim moss
hello
velvet hamlet
hello
tight venture
So I beat the third boss on the ship. But my only option is to return to the inn? How do I get to the next stage ?
velvet hamlet
beat it again
tight venture
Oh ok
Damn I had a great prism with exclusive that carried me
Was hoping to continue
Was prism with double throw orange peel was wrecking stuff and it only had one rare perk on it no Gemini. Just was destroying I was happy
Thanks for answer though
lean loom
of the two dlcs which is worth checking out first.
tight venture
Console. None. No dlc for us. Devs don’t support players RIP
Saw video with talent for soul essence gains. Guessing that isn’t in the barebones basic edition we get on console ?
lusty night
Can someone give me a breakdown of this? I have done some research and undertand core concepts (you can reset scrolls, and scrolls automatically get upgraded in your bag)
- Regarding the marked portion of the top left - I understand the medals represent rarity but what do they actually do, does it just affect my probably stats in the bottom right? Does it change the scroll stats? How do you upgrade scrolls in your back?
= What affects the upgrade times/reset times, are there talents, or do they just increase with teh amount of scrolls you receive?
-
The bottom right, what does this selection actually mean, to focus on upgrading all scrolls to legendary (medal icon)? What is the most beneficial?
-
What are the conditions of the owl's achievement (Spamming the astro thing) - does it have to use legendary scrolls (In the boxes in the mid screen) or is it just general casting?
Thank you
mossy sequoia
Was prism with double throw orange peel was wrecking stuff and it only had one r...
there is a modifier you can enable in Reincarnation levels (on pc 
) that lets you save weapons that I've found to be nice
mossy sequoia
Saw video with talent for soul essence gains. Guessing that isn’t in the barebon...
that talent is OLD, was removed with the Talents 2.0 patch
tight venture
that talent is OLD, was removed with the Talents 2.0 patch
Oh lol so old talent so we on a somewhat update version wonder what exactly version we are on over on console
proud fable
Oh lol so old talent so we on a somewhat update version wonder what exactly vers...
1.0
merry turret
does iron wing scale on skill damage?
@ me if you happen to know.
echo python
So can someone explain the owl mechanics? My only real questions are what does the bar on the bottom do, What are the diffrent card colors, and how do you fill the bar on the bottom/should you?
proud fable
does iron wing scale on skill damage?
@ me if you happen to know.
I do believe so. Iron wing - strike mode benefits from normal damage increases and I think skill damage increases as well. Iron wing - fire mode benefits from hardwood missile increases, which benefit from skill dmg increases
fallow fern
Lmao at this point enemies starts to vaporize
crimson plume
You can completely bypass the highest damage dealt cap with an argus i'm pretty sure, using its exclusive inscription
Rather than it being modifiers that reach over the threshold liek combustion and elemental damage. it seems to literally ignore that there is a cap.
thorny parcel
That's because the incription deals true damage based on the previous shot's damage, including all projectiles.
With just a regular non-elemental Argus and no Generalist talent, you can hit 130 million if each projectile hit the 10m cap.
Then add the Generalist talent, Weapon Mastery to triple its effectiveness, with a +30% Projectiles enhanced elemental Argus, and you could reach...
does calculatoring
Something like 405 million damage.
No wait, I don't think Argus is affected by increased projectile count when shooting.
Eh.
thorny parcel
I wonder if maybe that inscription doesn't care about the cap at all then?
As in, if you deal 69 million with a projectile but it caps at 10, it'll count as 69, not 10.
proud needle
Console. None. No dlc for us. Devs don’t support players RIP
Dont blame Duoyi for 505s incompetence
As explained in the post in #game-announcements
Duoyi let 505 Games handle the port and they hopelessly botched and failed it.
tight venture
I bet they didn’t even submit the dlc to 505
gusty mountain
Console is still behind in patches.
sharp umbra
As explained in the post in <#656702294074589184>
Duoyi let 505 Games handle th...
Yeah that's a shame I do hope 505 can get there act together would love to play more of the game and support the devs of course.
gusty mountain
So there's really no point in submitting the dlc yet.
sharp umbra
Do we have spiritual assault or is it only PC right now?
crimson plume
I wonder if maybe that inscription doesn't care about the cap at all then?
As i...
It's difficult to properly test as things just die before the bird inscription can strike. Maybe vs Gluttony would be the best idea for it.
sharp umbra
Oh that's sad when I heard about the mode it sounded cool and different from the main mode but it's only for PC right now.
crimson plume
Give firing range
sharp umbra
Wasn't that already said by someone in the game suggestions area?
crimson plume
Yes... a million times
gusty mountain
So has looping
crimson plume
It's almost as popular as people being like. "I think we should have an infinite loop option"
lol
sharp umbra
I mean it could be a thing I guess but to me it's not important.
proud needle
No
The game isnt designed for it
From scratch up it wouldnt allow & make sense
What people forget with looping games is how those handle power ups and skills
crimson plume
It could 100% be a thing, but it's way harder to balance with the way the game works. it's not like risk of rain where you can just get loads of the same item. They'd have to make it where you loop but you only bring along a select few scrolls or something similar. but they're kinda doing that already with the weapon vault
crimson plume
you can still keep what you have...
just less of what it was
it would still bring about more refined builds
sharp umbra
Yeah I didn't think of that but like I said to me it wasn't that important of a thing anyway.
crimson plume
My only annoyance with the game ending after 4 stages is sometimes a build only really comes online after stage 3 and by that time the game is basically over. The fact you can't instakill the final boss makes sense. But i also hate that Serpent is the last time you can test the full extent of a one hit build
I think i would prefer an alternate super tanky final boss that can die in one shot if you do enough damage. but for him to just be very hard to kill. idk
I'm not a game developer. balancing this kinda shit is hard
royal plinth
Ueu
velvet hamlet
i think the only way that a "loop" could work is just a single loop
like you get to go through everything one more time with some needed balance changes to stuff like damage or enemy health
crimson plume
I think the game would benefit more with a hades like modifier for levels, basically just a load of bizzare dreams, but some actually detrimental, giving increased rewards or something. Hades does it so fucking well.
proud needle
For increased jade
which was already discussed and elaborated before
Modifiers to make runs harder or even easier but modify the amount of spiritual jade you get
I think even something like Hades God Mode wouldnt hurt for people with less proficiency due to whatever reason or who want to take it easier but not miss out on features of later difficulty
serene kestrel
Can someone give me a breakdown of this? I have done some research and undertand...
the marker in the bottom right of the scroll is what it is being read as rarity wise. So your gormet is being read as a Legendary rarity for the sake of your card powerups.
The Upgrade times is how many points you can spend to change the rarity of scrolls to higher. Each tier being 1 Point, which is done VIA the upgrade strategy. So taking a normal scroll to being read as a Legendary is 2 points.
Reset times is how much you can reset a scroll for a new one, done in that menu. This is a way to recycle scrolls you dont want for a chance at a good scroll. Each scroll can only be done once.
The upgrade strategy is the rarity you want the scrolls to be read as and upgraded to. If you are going for a specific color upgrade on your cards, this is how you do it. Your scrolls do not change effect, they just get read as a new rarity
You get Upgrade and Reset points everytime you get a new goblet
boreal walrus
You can completely bypass the highest damage dealt cap with an argus i'm pretty ...
Hmm, thanks for the tip, i'll give that a try see if that works. I've been trying to find ways to get pas the 45mil cap, this was the first time I managed to break it, mostly by accident. This 87mil was achieved with Turtle after ascension fusion gave me pyrodominance.
crimson plume
Hmm, thanks for the tip, i'll give that a try see if that works. I've been tryin...
45m isnt really a cap it's just the max you can get from standard combustion
boreal walrus
45m isnt really a cap it's just the max you can get from standard combustion
Kinda the definitition of a cap :p especially since apart from the one weird inscription it isn't really possible to get higher. But this is just semantics.
People have eluded to the inscription before, but all highest damage dealt that I've seen that were above 45mil were from before the introduction of the caps
teal wave
So far the caps I've gotten are 10,000,000 15,000,000 22,500,000 45,000,000 90,000,000
teal wave
45m isnt really a cap it's just the max you can get from standard combustion
What's considered standard combustion
Would that be like ability skill damage combustion
crimson plume
That's because the only "cap" is 10m for a single shot. Combustion will increase it. Elemental damage will increase it and pyro dominance will increase it. The only reason they are perfect numbers is because they're multiplied by 10m
Standard combustion is without anything else buffing it. It doesn't matter if it's skill or weapon damage
teal wave
Ah
boreal walrus
So far the caps I've gotten are 10,000,000 15,000,000 22,500,000 45,000,000 90,0...
Not sure about the 22.5, but yeah it should be 10 for any single hit, x1.5 for elemental match (15mil), x3 for combustion (45mil), x2 for pyrodominance (90mil)
crimson plume
Pyro dominance can increase it and so can the spiritual assault goblet that buffs combustion
teal wave
Not sure about the 22.5, but yeah it should be 10 for any single hit, x1.5 for e...
Some of my weapon builds cap at that too
crimson plume
Fire damage
crimson plume
Yep
boreal walrus
Fire damage
Should'nt fire just be 10x1.5=15?
teal wave
I'm just unsure what order things are calculated
Pen bullet, fish or bear paw, +1 projectiles, +3 projectiles
boreal walrus
Some of my weapon builds cap at that too
What weapon did you get the 22.5 with?
crimson plume
Should'nt fire just be 10x1.5=15?
The damage numbers don't show 10 or 15m they show 1 below but count as it
teal wave
What weapon did you get the 22.5 with?
I can't remember, it was doing sniper builds either golden bow or goshawk
But the screenshot I sent was a skill build
This one
boreal walrus
The damage numbers don't show 10 or 15m they show 1 below but count as it
On the dmg floats yeah, but in the menu it shows it as a rounded number
crimson plume
Yes
These are not the only modifiers that affect it though. I'm pretty sure +1 projectile + 100% consumption also works
As I've gotten 20m on lei Lou many times without elemental damage but that inscription
teal wave
I've been capped at 45,000,00 for lei lou
The only way someone's gotten past that I've seen was a lightning damage golden bow with lucky shot, not even proj (99mil uncapped)
And a overly stacked bloody drill with the exclusives
For the bleed damage
crimson plume
Bloody drill does pure damage
It's an odd one
My highest is 170m with the poisonous ghost
teal wave
Wtaf
crimson plume
It's weapon skill deals pure damage based on the damage of the weapons which can cause combustion.
It's a weird interaction
But nothing beats the argus
I haven't gotten it to work properly yet tho
boreal walrus
I've been trying before with poisonous ghost before, but never got it to work
crimson plume
I combined it with the exclusive inscription to buff the weapon skill and pyro dominance, then had a fire tower in my other slot to proc combustion
There might have been other modifiers at play but I'm not sure
proven sage
Bloody drill does pure damage
Bloody drill works, just no enemy with enough health to matter compared to other means
boreal walrus
I combined it with the exclusive inscription to buff the weapon skill and pyro d...
I've tried the same, but never got it to work. But i've also not been able to even get 45mil on cat. For some reason whenever I play melee cat I can't seem to scale well
My highest hit on cat is only 14mil 😒
crimson plume
Bloody drill works, just no enemy with enough health to matter compared to other...
Isn't the highest health pole monarch R8 4 player with like 130m it's enough to breach the cap but yeah they'd need something even more insane lol
proven sage
to get a bleed proc to do 130mil you need to hit for 1.3bil and you will also tick while going there
crimson plume
Lmao
proven sage
for some reason 10% of the bleed clone monarch takes the real one takes
otherwise cap would be infinite with drill on Clones
proven sage
ye, funny easter egg
proud needle
lil buddy likes his water
boreal walrus
Is the Jey Octopus any good? Haven't really tested it yet
proud needle
And I found a bug with it..
languid gulch
how does owl work?
proud needle
Owl is actually simple
boreal walrus
how does owl work?
proud needle
Main part is his secondary skill
lusty night
the marker in the bottom right of the scroll is what it is being read as rarity ...
appreciate it - do any of the skills increase the times you can RNG a scroll
proud needle
but the rarity of those cards depends on the scrolls you have
boreal walrus
yeah i get that. i wanna like match the cards?
sorry, that was a joke. I advise to read the official guide on steam
languid gulch
if i extend it can i still do 3 of a kind or only 4/5?
proud needle
proud needle
One time
languid gulch
So you wanna t ry to probably get as many legendary scrolls as possible to raise your legendary probability right?
lusty night
okay that's all the info i was missing, appreciate you
proud needle
Basically yes Shy
but Rare also works due to his "upgrade" mechanic
which lets it treat a scroll as a rarity higher for his skills
serene kestrel
any level of scroll works
you just need more upgrade points to make normals become legendary
languid gulch
alright ill play with him more and try to figure it out. it doestn seem hard but just a bit confusing at a glance
velvet hamlet
oh
proud needle
the pain is real
velvet hamlet
i forgot this wasn't #speedrun-discussion 😭😭😭😭
proud needle
All those juicy scrolls
Also Depot got the nerf it deserved
Wild Hunt decimated my ammo count
good burst but not sustainable
gusty mountain
Is the Jey Octopus any good? Haven't really tested it yet
It can be pretty dumb in the right hands.
proud needle
the enhanced Roulette is fun
replace a digit with 9 and then shuffle
So at minimum you have 7899 copper
if you always reach max copper in a stage that is
AYEEEE
Science can be had
proud needle
Both fun
royal plinth
I know one has a metal gear
royal plinth
And one just drops stars on people
proud needle
instead of Iron Wing
The stars are optional
More like "reroll scrolls and throw cards"
And Nona
well
royal plinth
So he's a the gambler rogue from pathfinder
proud needle
Nona and Iron Wing :
proud needle
A weapon to surpass the description box
velvet hamlet
has that ever happened before?
proud needle
Havent seen it before
Got a 5 inscription drop ( all exclusive drop and this gemini) which had a single normal
Then etched a 6th on it , another normal
Then red chest reroll all normal into rare
poof , out of box
UI doesnt like it
crystal hollow
the elite horsehead can be so fucking annoying when youre playing with mysterious jokul and lone wolf
especially if youre using a bad blessing from lone wolf just to increase difficulty
clearing the ads is genuinely kinda hard
atomic depot
the build i run with for the Owl is essentially the Pokemon Card YouTuber build
crystal hollow
"Elite Horsehead can be so fucking annoying"
i mean its probably the most generally annoying elite in stage 1
sometimes you cant deal with the spearman tho (but its easy to play around if youre thinking ahead)
however
proud needle
Spearman just kicks your ass
proud needle
Horsehead is just an annoying prick
proud needle
Though piercing helps
crystal hollow
bc youre just kiting
proud needle
Jet Octopus secondary hits through his shield
pine trout
I kinda wish you could make vaults have the effects while also not having the transcendent arsenal on
I want my scrolls and the extra "challenge", I don't care about the weapons
also I tried the argus one shot mag thing today, got the rare scroll that does AoE damage when you reload
it was hitting for 7.5m around me every time I reloaded, very balanced
worthy carbon
how does the primary work from the new hero with cards
worthy carbon
thx
pine trout
it's simpler than it looks at first, just a lot of terms to keep in mind but at the end of the day it fits well into the regular GF playstyle
proud needle
With your secondary you draw cards and astroaspects
the icons under your skill
The % chance you see in the inventory is the chance to draw that rarity
If you have all slots with the same rarity thats a pure astrohouse
Wildcards from curse scrolls are any
if you missmatch you get an impure astro house
Upgrade Tokens
The upgrade tokens you get from taking ascensions
Each token automatically upgrades a cards rarity for the sake of your drawing
Treating them either as Rare scrolls for "rare most" setting and not consuming as many tokens
Or when setting "Legendary most" it uses the tokens to upgrade to legendary
It doenst upgrade them it just treats a normal rarity scroll as a legendary scroll when calculating the % chance when you draw
it consumes a token to upgrade a card to the next tier
Normal least makes sure that normal cards are upgraded first to rare
Then it does all scrolls again till out of tokens
Rare most keeps the rare
legendary most upgrades all scrolls till legendary one after another
pine trout
what's the highest RoF you've managed? There's quite a lot of things that increase it now so I decided to test it
sadly I didn't get warlike blade 3 here
worthy carbon
wait can someone tell me what happened? my robot was dead and I was too an then he just revived himself and then he revivev me? how is that possible that he can revive himself?
proud fable
Anyone wanna play rn
#1064937664870101033
tight venture
Consoles wanna play the dlc :💔
proud fable
Consoles wanna play the dlc :💔
Attack 505
or buy it on steam
support the good devs
not the bad ones
tight venture
Guess who’s decision it was to choose 505? d’s choice.
Guess who hasn’t pursued 505 to finish the port?
gusty mountain
wut
proud fable
Guess who’s decision it was to choose 505? d’s choice.
Guess who hasn’t pursue...
That doesnt make it their fault
gusty mountain
They have contacted 505 about updates. Even said that they were waiting for them.
proud fable
505 just isnt responding
gusty mountain
And that was a long time ago.
tight venture
It’s exactly their fault. Their choice to go 505 and continue using them. They also are silent and don’t acknowledge consoles. Any ETA or news.
So they partner with someone and don’t get response but they continue let 505 sell their game on console and drag GFR name through the mid.
Doesn’t make sense and doesn’t add up. Honestly.
proud fable
It’s exactly their fault. Their choice to go 505 and continue using them. They ...
They can't just cut ties and take a game back 😭
velvet hamlet
Guess who’s decision it was to choose 505? d’s choice.
Guess who hasn’t pursue...
i can assure you the devs have tried all they could to get clarity and communication from 505's side
tight venture
I’m sure they didn’t just enter into contract blindly without having any clause about actually supporting the game.
proud fable
duoyi had no idea 505 wouldn't do jack shit when they had control over gfr
proud fable
I’m sure they didn’t just enter into contract blindly without having any clause ...
Its not duoyis responsibility anymore
it never was
its not "duoyi had xbox then signed it away to 505" its "Duoyi let 505 publish it on xbox and 505 didnt do anything with it after"
tight venture
It’s exactly is their responsibility. It’s their game. They have their side of contract as does 505.
Their responsibility is to get the dlc to 505 to release. They still have a part in the port
proud fable
It’s exactly is their responsibility. It’s their game. They have their side of c...
Their responsibility is to stick to the ports they do own
velvet hamlet
they cannot get the DLC out until the rest of the game is fixed and updated, which is 505's responsibility
this argument is just going in circles at this point and seems like it's not heading anywhere
proud needle
Dude cut it
We are currently still trying to solve this
From Duoyi's side things are done they CAN do
What you can do is take it to 505 as a complaint to pick up their work
But coming to the official discord and just keeping to push against the developers
Not the best take and appearance
tight venture
Duoyi needs to take it to 505
To white knight for D and say we should take it up to 505 is the most nonsense comment ever made.
gusty mountain
bruh
tight venture
So how is saying the consumer should take it up with 505 in anyway a response ?
If the actual devs of game they are in contract with 505 can’t even get response ?
proud fable
yes!
a bunch of complaints from a bunch of angry gamepass kids is a lot more likely to get through than an email or two from a company you don't give a shit about
hushed bronze
or play the game on PC 👀
you can probably get 60 FPS with Integrated Graphics on a CPU
tight venture
If the game was only meant for pc then don’t cash grab on unfinished ports to console. Pretty simple
mossy sequoia
we try our best to get 505 to do anything
both PC and Mobile, which are directly run by the Gunfire team, get regular updates. 505 has ignored the team multiple times though
it really sucks
proud needle
And keeping slandering on the company that made it doesnt do any better
Just cut it out, you can voice your frustration but further pushing the sole blame to the devs is not gonna fly
You dont go into someones house or business to keep trashtalking them
Both cases you will land outside fast
tight venture
505 on Twitter promote the launch of Xbox then PlayStation version. They could say hey it’s launching on os5 but without any of the last years content or dlc and since 505 doesn’t update the game or communicate there’s no plans for future updates or dlc for console
Instead they advertise it and promote it and retweet it like it’s a properly managed and updated game
tight venture
And keeping slandering on the company that made it doesnt do any better
Just cu...
So only positive feedback is allowed ? It’s obvious they have now launched two console platforms and not support them while mobile and pc are supported. So to silence any actual feedback about lack of support is really wierd ?
mossy sequoia
No one from 505 is in this Discord
tight venture
duoyi still is associated , promoted and getting portions of the console sales
That’s like saying only 505 is developing or in charge console. So 505 game version would be different. Different dlc etc
If and when if ever the dlc comes out for console. It’s the Duoyi games dlc they designed and developed. It’s their game at the end of the day
mossy sequoia
I mean, the 505 version is different
tight venture
It’s only difference is it’s not updated. It’s still the same version steam had at this point.
proud fable
Dude if you're that pissed, buy it on steam
we've already gone over the fact that duoyi can't do anything about it
mossy sequoia
no, buying on a different platform isn't really a solution
the situation sucks a lot
proud fable
yes but this was originally an argument about dlc
And just because they let 505 publish the ports doesn't mean its duoyis fault 505 isnt doing anything
Chances are, duoyi wasn't originally gonna put the game on xbox, gamepass, or playstation
mossy sequoia
I wish it was being managed better by both teams involved, but I also know 505 has been ghosting Duoyi a lot
excecs would rather have devs working on porting more profitable games than a silly little furry borderlands
tight venture
no, buying on a different platform isn't really a solution
Glad someone can see from outside their own little special realm and view the situation as bad
proud fable
You originally complained about the dlc
I gave you a solution other than just complaining about it to people who can't help you
tight venture
excecs would rather have devs working on porting more profitable games than a si...
Furry borderlands better than the last two borderlands games combined atleast
proud fable
That we can agree on
tight venture
I gave you a solution other than just complaining about it to people who can't h...
Your solution would assume everyone owns a pc ?
proud fable
Your solution would assume everyone owns a pc ?
I play on a potato laptop
mossy sequoia
Gunfire community 🤝 Borderlands 3 Hating
proud fable
Its not a very requiring game
mossy sequoia
I play on a potato laptop
tbf thats is a pc
proud fable
Thought they meant gaming pc
mb
Regardless not everyone has an xbox, playstation, or xbox gamepass either
mossy sequoia
I really wish gaming consoles went the same path that the Steam Deck did, have a console mode and a PC mode
tight venture
How’s that a solution. Not to mention anyone bought on console - or playstation since they just announced and sold and were silent on if ps version had dlc. ( we all knew it would not still wierd to multiple delay and not have updates ) but there isn’t any refunds going on for playstation.
Buying again on pc isn’t solution. If anything Duoyi could say hey here’s free base version of game key for steam since we know console isn’t supported. For those that may have a pc. Then they could buy the dlc(s).
There’s is total lack communication from 505 or Duoyi. Duoyi could comment or tweet about the state of console. They decide not to. Every tweet it’s 99% console players wanting any form of feedback
They can’t even make a tweet or reply . It’s very poor management
proud fable
Duoyi doesnt tweet abt console bc console isn't their responsibility!
proud needle
There is no lack of communication because we are calling into the void upstairs
mossy sequoia
*Duoyi doesnt tweet abt console bc console isn't their responsibility!*
(just to clarify, this is a joke)
proud needle
We mods and CM's are upset about this and have voiced the problems but we cant force the higher ups to take action
we can only speak thats it
We can take it on another channel
You consumer must take it on 505's offical channels they provide
mossy sequoia
if I had a twitter, I'd bug them frequently
tight venture
*Duoyi doesnt tweet abt console bc console isn't their responsibility!*
They literally just did just that for playstation release.
tight venture
but I don't, and every time I've tried to make one it hasn't worked
It’s super easy to make a Twitter now ?
proud fable
Because advertising a game is the same as telling people whats wrong about work that isn't legally yours
tight venture
It’s their game. They received $ for every one sold
thorny parcel
It’s their game. They received $ for every one sold
These are retweets. From 505 Games.
mossy sequoia
It’s super easy to make a Twitter now ?
I've tried like 7 different times, the activation codes never get sent, captchas keep failing, it keeps giving error messages.
tight venture
They retweet but also added their own stuff above as well.
tight venture
I've tried like 7 different times, the activation codes never get sent, captchas...
Using a real number ? Can always get it sent to friends number if your number isn’t working
thorny parcel
Their own stuff basically being "This is happening, it's exciting."
AKA nothing worth mentioning.
All the Gunfire twitter account has done is spread the news, which they obviously would, because it's its own game.
Still doesn't mean the Duoyi Games developers can do anything about the console version's development process.
tight venture
Gameplay. There’s no way to lock out weapons even a few you wouldn’t rather see ( console version) . Talisman for example I’d rather stop seeing
proud fable
where the hell did that come from lol
thorny parcel
Steam/Mobile doesn't have that either. That has no impact here and is completely off-topic.
tight venture
How is a gameplay question off topic
proud fable
you went from complaining abt duoyi to gameplay elements
thorny parcel
Gameplay mechanics is not the development process or interaction between companies.
proud fable
You just dropped a random statement
tight venture
This chat is only about dev process or interact between companies lol
Y’all make no sense at all. Gameplay is off topic all of a sudden
mossy sequoia
it was off topic from the complaint you had just made
thorny parcel
This current topic is about development process or company interactions.
You're trying to create a new topic about gameplay mechanics that don't exist in any version, abandoning the previous topic.
mossy sequoia
Just like 505 and half the games they port
tight venture
How would a new player know what’s in the game. That’s why someone would ask?
thorny parcel
By:
- Playing the game.
- Asking 505 Games and getting them to answer, because they're the ones who would know about the console versions.
- Asking someone else who has played the game.
tight venture
Ask 505 really? Ignorant lol
And y’all already said it’s version 1.0 or whatever which y’all had like year ago so whatever in that version y’all have played before. It’s the exact same old build as y’all had.
Y’all don’t play the game ? In the games discord ?
Did they just let any dumbass 5 year old mod this discord? Because what you just said is the stupidest fucking reply I’ve ever seen and there been some really dumb ignorant replies above.
thorny parcel
I'd watch your next words, because you've just changed the argument into an insult.
tight venture
Oh noes.
indigo sage
Banned
mossy sequoia
dude if you want to pick a fight just say it, we've tried to help you
indigo sage
Yeah no, just a troubleseeker
thorny parcel
"Wrong answer."
sharp umbra
I mean napolleons point was valid but was just barking up the wrong tree to make anything happen. Not that much would happen with the way napolleon was going about it.
proud fable
I mean napolleons point was valid but was just barking up the wrong tree to make...
Their only valid point was that 505 is doing jack shit
Insulting us and blaming duoyi for doing nothing over something they didn't have control over was uncalled for
sharp umbra
Yeah that was what I meant.
Totally right about that and like I said even if napolleon talked to 505 that attitude would not get you far at all.
proud fable
100%
quartz current
The resentment is valid, the tone isn't. Unfortunately one of those situations where we all probably agree on the main premise that console ports are behind and have a giant lack of communication on when or if they'll be updated yet the conversation became an argument instead of a discussion on it.
Anyways enough of that let's talk about 
more. content is the only content I should be seeing here and we're currently lacking it.
pallid locust
not but a question: if i have spiritual link going and i have enough scrolls to have two of the elemental damage conversions going, do they both work or does one take priority? if one takes prio, which one?
thorny parcel
One takes priority, you can pick which one in the list.
pallid locust
good to go
viral narwhal
how do people get such high critx with the
proud fable
how do people get such high critx with the <:Brick:1113538263265845339>
gradual improvement, probably
that and giving it combine gemini with strikewing
And hawkeye/glazed sights
mossy sequoia
man I'm so washed
thorny parcel
The betrayal. You're not a true gamer because true gamers never wash!
proud fable
The betrayal. You're not a true gamer because true gamers never wash!
I haven't showered in 18 years!
I'm not even 18!
thorny basalt
Are you like
Starting with occult booster or something?
Or do you just wait until you can find a red chest that'll give you the opportunity to get one?
mossy sequoia
lucked out from a shopkeep
Threw the run though
Got funny two tapped by a darkfaced bandit who already had a corrosion auro active
crystal hollow
is there anything you can do if you literally cannot kill an enemy
mossy sequoia
you can die
thorny parcel
Seek alternate methods that may be lying around the place.
Or intensify your attempts.
Or bide your time until you have enough power.
Or as sef said, peacefully accept your eternal demise.
crystal hollow
Seek alternate methods that may be lying around the place.
Or intensify your at...
yeah i tried both of those for like 20 mins xd
thorny basalt
Threw the run though
RIP
thorny basalt
is there anything you can do if you literally cannot kill an enemy
Can't miasma be used to wittle down most enemies?
thorny basalt
had a +38 brick at act 2, stage 3
Dayum
Arms trafficker too from independent fortunes?
mossy sequoia
sadly no
thorny basalt
Aw
mossy sequoia
got it in act 4 on my first attempt
thorny basalt
I wanna do a run with my friends where one of us gets enhanced hidden transaction with arms trafficker and we all upgrade one weapon.
mossy sequoia
did that before with normal Hidden Transaction, before the fortunes
#hall-of-fame
level 218
thorny basalt
Easily?
I wonder what a good run would look like.
mossy sequoia
Tiger start with Pat Sniper, 3/4 have craftsmen's inheritor, one have Eye of Prov. run 1-1 to 1-3, if no Hidden Transaction drop throughout the team, reset
median prairie
mossy sequoia
bonus points if you can get an enhanced Hidden Transaction
median prairie
+400 aint happenin unless u get arms trafficker fortune and really good red chest luck
thorny parcel
Then with enhanced Hidden Transaction you get 4 upgrades, each upgrade with about an average of 0.33 levels for 5.33 total.
4 players, for 21.33 levels in total, per craftsman.
quartz current
Speedrunner moment smh brb getting back surgery
thorny basalt
What does inheritor do again? Free upgrades?
thorny parcel
Fair.
analog lake
with 1900 hours id hope i dont have double digit down count
thorny parcel
Can't die if nothing hits you.
flat stirrup
all my downs were to capacity overdraft tornados not my fault
quartz current
Jon was a grenade turret 80% of the run
mossy sequoia
(Man I hate playing Tiger)
mossy sequoia
As a proud dog player, when people look as his ascensions at the act 1 boss room and ask me if it's a good pick, I have to tell them to describe the pictures because I don't remember the names
thorny parcel
Nah, Nona is now the best sniper.
She's like Mordecai from Borderlands. Can win sniping competitions with a pistol.
quartz current
But consider this: I have not played her yet and she therefore doesn't exist to me
mossy sequoia
we all know the only build for Mordicai is the unpatched version where he spams bBloodwing
quartz current
Isn't his knife build funny too
thorny parcel
we all know the only build for Mordicai is the unpatched version where he spams ...
Unpatched version where Nona spams Iron Wing, you say?
quartz current
I prefer sliding around as Zane and noscoping things at mach speed abusing Cold Bore or whatever it's called
proud fable
Easily?
I wonder what a good run would look like.
+692 
proud fable
Isn't his knife build funny too
Joltzdude know how funni it is
mossy sequoia
+692 <:Justice:747490539812815006>
proud fable
https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-see-it-nia-bullock-games-people-play-let-me-see-i...
Ok
Well
thorny basalt
+692 <:Justice:747490539812815006>
Jesus
You calculated all that? .-.
proud fable
Thats just the theoretical maximum
proud fable
Jesus
You calculated all that? .-.
Oh yeah altanna and I calculated it a while ago
However I don't think its possible
thorny basalt
Ah
mossy sequoia
However I don't think its possible
proud fable
As you need to get a craftsman in 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5
thorny basalt
I assume it takes in account levels from mysterious chests too?
proud fable
yes
thorny basalt
That is
A lot of layers of RNG
mossy sequoia
but do you have a single player value
proud fable
but do you have a single player value
No
quartz current
You need red chest luck which is borderline moot because there's absolutely no way with the current pool you're landing red chests when they can spawn that give +3 levels
This includes the 
chests
mossy sequoia
because I can't be arsed to get 3 other people to run this hell super frequently
proud fable
But in 4 player one craftsman can get you +32 levels on one weapon
proud fable
because I can't be arsed to get 3 other people to run this hell super frequently
Oh ye arms trafficker
median prairie
As you need to get a craftsman in 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5
I'm pretty sure this is literally impossible
median prairie
as you cant get that many craftsman in longling, like, hard-coded
proud fable
ye
mossy sequoia
anytime I see a craftsman in 1-2, it's just a reset
proud fable
you only get one in 1-(2-4) and 1 on 1-5
proud fable
anytime I see a craftsman in 1-2, it's just a reset
Ye cuz ur still flat broke and haven't gotten a chance at a peddler for better weapons
proud fable
Lmao
mossy sequoia
Craftman Inheritor all the time babyyy
proud fable
We could recalculate the maximum for it
mossy sequoia
but the odds are I won't get the scroll at a 1-2 that has a crafter
proud fable
But I cant be bothered rn
mossy sequoia
faster to reset
proud fable
You'd need: Occult booster and eye of providence off the bat
Then arms trafficker on stage 2 interdependant
You need to play on monkey
mossy sequoia
what would occult grant
proud fable
hidden transaction
mossy sequoia
monkey levels are fake
proud fable
monkey levels are fake
Still raises them tho
mossy sequoia
fake levels still be fake
proud fable
yes but let us have our fun
especially bc you can get like 25 levels offa monke
To have a chance
You need
-4 players
-Occult booster
-Eye of providence
-Enhanced hidden transaction before you hit Any of the 1-x craftsmen
-The luck for 4 people to roll a 33% chance, around, yknow... 416 times
mossy sequoia
tbh, I think one of the hardest steps is the first one
proud fable
tbh, I think one of the hardest steps is the first one
Have you seen the last one
mossy sequoia
yes
mossy sequoia
does not change my statement
proud fable
Lmaoo
anyways
There are 28 peculiar chest options
assuming none of them are boosted
You need to get a 1/28 chance again, 13 TIMES
And ofc you also need to roll the chests to spawn on every level of anxi, duo fjord, and hyperbolean
So I know I said no calculations
but fuck it
I did some quick stuff
Here:
This isn't even 100% accurate
thorny parcel
Still higher than the chance that the game receives proper balancing.
proud fable
As I didn't factor in the chances of red chests and craftsmen not spawning on every single level after 1-4
proud fable
~~Still higher than the chance that the game receives proper balancing.~~
Or 505 giving a shit about their ports of this game
arctic nacelle
I see
arctic nacelle
Yeah, very.
proud fable
Lmaoo
arctic nacelle
Cant imagine how many days you'll be stuck in hell
proud fable
Considering you have to do full runs