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cause team orders run cars these days, Nigel Mansell used muscle in those days
you have to be a good listener to be a f1 driver today
Ferrari took Vettel's name tag from his jacket and toto asked it in an ironic way and they laughed hahaha
@proper cloak I don't quite understand. They took the tag to say he is not racing next year?
Team Principal owners of the herd of sheep, mehhh
Ferrari dont want to step out of the past, they want to live in their heritage lol
It'll hurt their bottom line though
If Merc continues on this path of dominance in F1.
3rd position Stroll gg
Did you hear strolls laugh on the radio when he made p3.
yup
He knew he bought his way to p3 lol
@proper cloak I don't quite understand. They took the tag to say he is not racing next year?
@jaunty cave This is Ferrari and binotto...
mercedes engine still ahead
he would laugh, i think i shoud drive RP next year, hahaha
๐ ๐ ๐ Daddy stroll bought his son to the podium. Lol
pay to win, ๐คฃ
haha
I am really excited about what Aston Martin will want about Stroll or Perez
Daddy got premium boost, Lumberjack
@winged vessel that's how you do it when your billionaire
well,, there is a reason why its austin martin
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lol i wish i have a dad like stroll hahahahaha
maybe i would be able to race hahahahahaha
or maybe my fam should have more interest with motorsports
I was doing karting till 13 then they wanted me to leave and study lel
RP are starting on the mediums lol ๐
They're bringing the fight to red bull tomorrow
It should be great entertainment
What's your thoughts on Albon? When he is needed most for the team, he starts whining
He needs to improve more
I don't see the WC quality from him
Me too
He looks like a midfield player
So its mercedes top 4
Ok at best 3rd, May get a 2nd on the rarest of occasions lol
Lets say best 5 hahahaha
He doesn't push max lol
They said no to him lol
Max needs a teammate like Vettel i think. Someone who really puts pressure on him
Yea i know
But this is F1 you know
Today they say no tomorrow they make a contract
F1 and money talks lol
Yes...
I think RB are just not as good as everyone else. VET wont fix that
You can be stroll and get to the top of the competition.... With money lol
Well S๐ ฑ๏ธ inella and RB has a good chemical
You can be stroll and get to the top of the competition.... With money lol
@jaunty cave hahahahahahaahahahahah thats how we call p2w lol hahahahaha
๐ ๐ Pay 2 win lol Aston Martin will have a life line
Yeah F1 sadly is.
That company isn't what it use to be lol
On the other hand i am still thinking about the sponsorship of Aston Martin to RB ๐ค
Now it'll have a chance to grow its brand again, would of preferred the porsche to be honest.
Aston Martin are RBR and RP or?
Aston Martin will go wherever there is money lol
That company isn't what it use to be lol
@jaunty cave Canadian's with bloody British mates hahaha
Well I am British lol ๐
I know hahahahaha
It's in our DNA lol
The strict rules of British company and the kindness of Canadian boss hahahahaha
Aston Martin leached off of Red Bull in its golden age and now its going to the Merc lol
It would be hilarous to read the news about them
On the other hand, as a German person, i would like to see another German company on the grid but not Porsche
Aston Martin stock price will sky rocket in the next 3-5 years
@jaunty cave it was a good strategy for them with that there is a possible that they could invest more on electric cars
@proper cloak I think so too. They rolled the dice and it worked lol
RB have been left out to dry with Honda lol
Well, i cant see any future between Honda and RB
And Christian Horner lol
Ferrari are under immense pressure
The whole country government spending probably is invested in ferrari lol
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Ferrari has critical management problems and till the day that it will be solved, they keep falling
They need a boss like Enzo
Winning races are more important than selling cars for Enzo
And his political-strategical geniue was sth different
I don't know what Binotto is trying to achieve
He is just feeding his own ego
Imagine Enzo, who wasted Lauda, would be still the boss. Do you think would Binotto still work for ferrari
I don't know Binottos history, I need to research it.
From what I know he was the man behind the scenes
Maybe some men need to stay behind the scenes
He is in Ferrari since 95
I'm not sure what his goal is lol
Imagine you have nothing to do with motorsports and suddenly while you are working for philip morris someone comes with an f1 contract for marlboro sponsorship and you get into motorsports with 0 knowledge how things works in this industry
Lmao
I am pretty sure he wanted to shine lec instead of vet
How much effect do you think F1 has on brands
Well in the past it was a lot
But for the pas 5 years not that much
They are just wasting money i think
Well.. Merc brand is ever growing
And i am pretty sure new F1 management wants to change the engineering rules
Well Merc is sth different
"sth" what does that mean
Is that an acroynm for something? @proper cloak
@proper cloak I agree. Williams have fell off a cliff
Yes, my english knowledge is pretty mixed up with British and American while typing
I don't see BMW the same lol
Well i want to see BMW on the grid to be honest
Yes, my english knowledge is pretty mixed up with British and American while typing
@proper cloak that's fine :)
Hahahahaha thanks to my education it is British while speaking hehehe
I always like to learn what I don't understand haha
Me too, that is why i am trying to learn my 5th language at these times
Not bad, 6 would be better lol
It will be in the future
Will Williams come back do you think?
After new rules there is a possible
Well
RP had a good quali but i dont think that they will be able to do the same in race
@proper cloak I'll have to wait and see. Mclaren had a similar issue last week
Well they renewed the contracts so i think there are some plans with them so only way to know is waiting
Stroll is not a racing driver. He is like a rally driver. His overtake and defending skills not that good for keeping his position and his consistency is quite low
I know Perez will be wanting to get arms out with Ver. Lol
Perez will be my fav in RP in this race
But not Stroll
On the other hand Max will be really fast tomorrow
If Binotto made the right decision and give the better upgrades for Vettel we would see a different performance from him
If Binotto made the right decision and give the better upgrades for Vettel we would see a different performance from him
@proper cloak so vet are running different upgrades to leclerc?
Energy Drink money dont go far, AMG technology does
@proper cloak so vet are running different upgrades to leclerc?
@jaunty cave i thimk so
RB still thinks red bull gives them wings. AMG adapted tech and AI lol
@jaunty cave i thimk so
@proper cloak that's taking liberties
Lol ๐ Vettel being treated like a second class citizen in Ferrari
Where did it all go wrong ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
Well we will see
Holas
Even when Albon doesn't mean to be, he still is nice and polite ๐ ๐
when he tells his engineers not put him in traffic on the radio. Lol
I probably gonna make a frame for this and hang this on my man cave wall.
Most pole positions, on earth.
hahahahahaha send it to me also i want to do the same hahahahaha
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People don't understand there are no team orders during qualifying. He is best driver. From day 1, from carting days. And Niki Lauda picked him against Vettel, when Mercedes asked him.
Well he has the talent yes, he has the soul yes but the things he done in the past makes him not a good person. He was a child till 2019 and he grows up just now but it is too late i think. This is the main reason why lots of fans dont like him
So Ferrari though only Petronas AMG is the problem, until this happened. ๐
Hahahahahaha yea
Good old days
did you notice the downforce of RB at practice days?
Translate xD
Loss and gaining according to 2019
as time
team by team
btw honda decided to change Gasly's motor
For race?
yes
Then he has a grid penalty or?
Nope he wont cuz it is the first
He had a power problem with power unit so honda decided to change it
Wait so you can change it once?
it is the first change of the season so fia allows him to change without a penalty
Oh ok
Wait what? I only saw Russel talking bout Alboff
Yes after that they asked this to Max and he said
I think he knows nothing about RB. Instead of talking about this he should focus on his car and his performance
lol
And what he said about RP?
And for the RP he said i dont think they could race for winning. Look at them they copied merc and they are 1 sec behind them. If you are a copier you always stay behind
Mad Max hahahahaha
Hahaha he went on the offensive
Stroll reckons they can fight with the Merc lol
That money must be getting to his head lmao
Stroll for P1 lol ๐ ๐ ๐
Whenever i watch this series, Max comes in my mind and i laugh really hard
It'll be interesting though, max on the soft
Definitely some anticipated overtaking tomorrow
Bottas will need to be on his A game tomorrow
But what max said is right.
- They copied last years car wich is slower then the merc 2020 one
- If they didnt get the build plans from merc their copy will be slower than the car they copied
Well they have the same body but new power unit
Merc designed their body due to their new power unit
So basically thats why merc is faster
But i think instead of bullying other teams, he should have look his team i think
at the same time
Marko says we dont except a podium but maybe it will rain and have a little chance with that
lol
He says we lose half sec at sector 2 and 3
RP car doesn't need to go for WC, they only need to stay ahead of everyone else for now.
That's what they paid for and that is what they are getting.
I'm sure later once they get more investment by staying ahead, they will stop copying and begin originating their own designs
Fast track to success and right now it's working
Totally agree with you
Btw does anyone know making memes here
I have sth in my mind lol
I'm sure stroll senior paid a bit of a penny for it though.
Yes, and actually the thing i have in my mind is about RP and merc hahahaha
Last years copy of WC is faster then this years cars on the grid, CEOs must be fuming.
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐คช This will go on for next year as well right because rule regs come in 2022
Might as well give Ham the WC and call it a night lol ๐ ๐
i did my first meme lol
I wonna see it
posted in #656883445385134100
dont lynch lol
stroll is p3
perez is p4
and both merc and rp starts with hard tyres
it was really funny when it comes my mind for the first time
I mean it most probably would have been if i had watched the full Quali
prob
now i need to find sth about sbinella and albon
hehe sec one made me laugh
hehe
hahahahahahaha
yea
there is another that i want to see as a meme and now i am going to do that
here it comes
it was amg at the begining but after a while i sad nah i want to get excited
then changed it with mclaren
Looking like a wet start to the race
But it doesnt look to wet or?
looks wet wet
But to wet to race ?
Versatppen wrecks in warm up
Mercedes is over power not good for sport ๐ฉ
Like the last few years
at least magnussen is still in p9
Ferrari should definitly stop
Vertasppen legend
i love hungaroring, one of those hard circuits i played so much on virtual racing, hard to master to me
look at latifi
Get in there Lewis
how many times was he lapped
Get in there Mercedes and vertasppen
Bottas would have needed the fresh new mediums
What the heck
This was one of the most boring races I have seen in my entire life...
I slept through some of that lol
But what a race!!!
Amazing job by red bull
Unbelievable!!!!
How has bottas got away with that start
Apperantly he didnt jumpstart out of his Starting Box
Mechs did a really good work
did you see how ferrari started
He should of been all over max's gearbox
it was amazing tbh
Bottas dropped crucial points today smh ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
yea i get kinda sad for him bth
If Lewis didn't win, Bottas would of been second and Ver would of come first.
If RB wouldnt have lots of problems past 2 days probably ver would have pass him
Lol that's a bit of a stretch
Nah i dont think so, lewis couldnt focus like he always did
This race he had some problems in his mind i think
And the box cancel was hilarous for me lel
Lmao! I think your talking about Max, crashing his car on an out lap
Lewis has already wrapped this season up.
How do you crash on an out lap on your way to a grid ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
he did not satisfy me in that race tbh, he did better races
He redeemed himself by coming second, Bottas is terrible
How do you crash on an out lap on your way to a grid ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
@jaunty cave it is about their aero pack i think
damn bottas gave me cancer also
what about perez
he was terrible also
stroll is on fire hahahahahaha
I was pretty impressed! Haha he burned out his tyres too soon though lol
Ended up in no man's land
Give Ver that pink car then F1 will light up lol
well stonks meme comes soon about stroll
Ver is over performing that red bull lol
Yes, he is pushing really hard
Well i am happy that his career is not like his father lol
That Red Bull car is terrible. Well... He is stuck with RB lol
Even all the terrible things mechs did a good job
Bottas won't be a WC lol
@jaunty cave totally agree
There is something missing from him.
WC fire
He should of overtaken Max, on the last 2 laps he seemed so content with his position.
Maybe there is a politic in team about that i dont know
He was instructed in order to beat max he would need 1.185 or under, for a good portion of 10 laps he seemed to be cruising.
I don't think he carries the fire ๐ฅ you need to be on it.
And to win a WC, he is great for a wing man though
instead of hard tyres they should prefer soft for a dominant podium i think dunno maybe the dynamics of this pack was different
Totally agree with you
I thought that too, however the tyre he was on proved to be worthwhile.
He is competitive yes but not competitive like a WC so being a wing man of the best is the perfect position for him
Yes, you can see from his attitude afterwards. Doesn't seem sure of himself
Lewis doesn't have competition.
Lewis hasn't got no pressure, it's too easy for him. Once he starts saying bottas is making it tough for him, he means the opposite.
I'd like to see drivers bring the fight and fury to win, Bottas today drove like he was sailing a yacht in the Mediterranean
Hahahahahah yes
No one could be right like that hahahaha
Well there are rumors for Ver but i dont think so it could happen
What could happen?
At the rate of how things are now, Ham will break most records this year.
Well they say Ver would go to RP seat for 2021 and 2022 with aston martin and after that deal with merc for 2022 2023
but this is just a rumour
Haha! Gossip, couldn't see that happening. Merc don't need him.
RB will want Max to honour his contract.
Christian expects max to save red bull.
Yea i think the same
That's all Max is there for, he isn't going to win WC with RB
Christian Horner knows that.
Not with Lewis on the grid.
F1 teams are going to start protesting soon. Haha
Probably
9 seconds in front of second place.
And your second driver finishes third lol ๐ ๐
He also has the same car lol
That got to be telling surely lol
Bottas mentality to want to win WC will erode throughout the course of this season. His objective is get second place and I get another contract lol
totally yes
btw i really loved that meme things hahaahha
What your club in Brawl Stars?
Ferrari being lapped by Mercedes can't go unnoticed!
yea
and Vettel's saying hahahha
I am not surprised that they lapped us we would except that he said hahahahaha,
The next aim is to lap max lol
lol hahahahahaha
Guys?
Not here sir. Just for real F1 not the game
Next races are 2 times Silverstone, my guess is that Merc will lap 3rd place in the races
xD
i see tracing point got protested again lol
Hello
hi
Merc are going all out this season
Christian Horner should of kept his mouth closed lol ๐
His RB simply isn't good enough
Well RB didn't make a step forward this year
They also didnt really take a big step back (like ferrari) luckily
they're the second best car, but unlike last year, where the bulls could get some wins
I dont see that hppening this year
These first 3 races were circuits which shouldve been decent for the bulls... Silverstone okay perhaps
Jest ktos
It's the end of the line for RB
Max verstappen was their redemption lol
His job will be to save RB until Lewis retires
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He'll have a title shot after Lewis decides to give it a rest. Lewis is untouchable. When your lapping a 4 world champion in races that says it all.
The cars untouchable, Lewis is a good driver but doesn't out perform an average car like Alonso or verstappen. Put Riccardo, sainz, leclerc or vettel in the mercedes and they will lap the Ferrari as well
Here you see the two merc cars compared with the conbined number of points of the other teams
Yeah merc is pretty strong :-p
ah well, midfield seems closer and thus more fun to watch
poor red car
xD
You might as well label red bull Max instead
@livid hazel well bottas came third in the same car, I doubt the car is untouchable.
No other driver on that grid is on the level of Lewis hamilton. It takes a driver to extract everything a car can offer, if not more.
And just remove Albon's 22 points from the totals @jaunty cave, don't be silly - Yes Albon's pace is way off Verstappen's, but he's still netting decent points and almost maximum points taken the circumstances
@chrome matrix albon has lost considerable points for red bull, its fair to say he'll most likely be the reason red bull won't become title contenders
You mean when he got taken out by Hamilton?
The reason RB won't be title contenders this year is the car, not the drivers
don't jump on the blaming game too fast lol
What happened to the general discussion?
I mean, while max is able to put his car 3rd or 4th on a bad day, albon struggles to get his car 5th* or 6th on a good day.
He will cost Red Bull any chance of being able to contend with this year's title.
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Max is definitely a more stable driver - he's able to correct the mistakes better like Alonso did in the McLaren back then
Look at the way he was acting in the last race. Simply cannot be calm under pressure.
That can be experience (remember, this is season 2 for Albon) or just the difference level in talent between them
Those are major faults you don't want when contending for the title.
what was the major fault albon made this weekend then?
His reaction to the team, almost blaming the car and the team. Forgetting his job is to drive the best he can and if unable to identify what can be improved.
His mental fortitude is weak and not of a WC. He is a liability to Red Bull in the long run.
Better yet, damage limitation until they find someone who can replace him.
Ayy, he did blame the team - rightly so though
he asked not to be release d behind (slower) ferrari's
and what happens, he gets released at the back of the pack, with a 13second margin to start a Q lap
I'd be mad as well as a driver lol - any driver would be
Remember Daniel, that the things you hear from the radio's they broadcast is cherrypicked
and never gives an honest and full picture
I'm only giving my observation, you have one driver that can have an accident before a race and still put a alleged dodgy car in 2nd place while your team struggles somewhere in mid grid consistently.
well we know how close the midfield is right?
Do you realize how difficult it is to overtake on Hungaroring?
Which is also the exact reason Max was able to stay P2 lol
Albon did a great job fighting back from lost position
I think he will cost Red Bull alot of money, he is the difference between red bull coming third or they'll end up 4 or 5th possibly 6th this year.
Max did a great job keeping his composure
RB did a great job fixing max's car so fast
As you can see RB is a clear 2nd, while they have 2 DNF's
Red bull won't have trouble bagging the p2 in WCC
Well it's Max really lol
Albon is damage limitation. I think Christian knows that. As the season progresses we'll see how consistent he truly is.
At this point, max is at 33 points, albon at 22 while they both have a DNF
yes max has more points, but youre making the gap bigger than it actually is
And simply put
if hamilton didn't take out albon in race 1
we wouldn't be having this conversation
All i can say on this topic is wait and see, but no way should your team mate be beating you in such fashion.
You see it on more places on the grid - thing is exceptional drivers like Lewis and Max are tough to match
Is really unfair to expect a year 2 driver to be closer to Max right
and right now, Albon is the best choice RB has
Nope, look at history. It's been done before and why should it not be done now.
Simple fact is Albon isn't good enough.
No matter how long he stays there, it's going to be a huge sunk cost in the end.
๐คฆโโ๏ธ alright then
If Lando Norris keeps performing, I'm sure red bull will want to snap him up.
They tried to snap him when lando was still in F2 or F3
they couldnt
and Lando chose McLaren
Lando's not leaving
Yes, i was about to say that, that's if mclaren will want to let him leave.
I think the contrast is evident for all to see, albon isn't a WC.
So why spend money on someone who isn't WC
won't be the smartest move to leave McLaren right now for a guy like Norris - who is automatically getting a higher position within mclaren with sainz leaving
Rb doesn't need 2 WC's tho
just like Merc doesn't need 2 WC's
Of course RB wants WC, that will push the team forward. Why would you not.
RB is not Merc lol
Ah well mate, we differ from opinion about Albon, doesn't matter, don't feel like wasting more time on a fruitless discussion atm
Bottas come third after losing how many places at the start? Passing everyone with ease, and bottas has never been anything other than average
He didn't make it second and he had a fresh set of tyres
Haha
If Lewis was in Bottas role in the last race he would of overtaken Max.
Bottas was driving as though he was sailing a yacht
Ye Hamilton would have at least had a go at max, he is a much better driver than bottas, but bottas was barely above average when he got the mercedes drive
That circuit is a demanding circuit
Has anyone heard anything about the RP protest?
At least Ross Brawn said its okay to copy
They copied extremely well. Anyone notice ham taking a look at RB car after the race lol
Even though Ham won, he was still analysing the competitions car, complacency doesn't enter into his mind at all.
He was analyzing it because he heard verstappen wasnt in the race
:-p so he was checking where there actually was any damage
@chrome matrix ๐
@chrome matrix be ready for the next race, hamiltons coming first lol
Well history's saying that Lewis doesn't score too good in Silverstone lol
Hoping for a Hamilton DNF just to keep the championship alive past race 4
Me too
Lol ๐ history matters when it suits you ayy!
We need Roseburg back to screw Lewis with both the car and his mental health
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Lol Lewis is coming for this schumacher title. It all ends with Lewis
That's how the story ends lol
We thought Michael was great until Lewis came along.
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Rosberg retreated after winning once. Lol Lewis made him retire so they say, this sport is deadly when the pressure is on.
And look how he reacted when he was losing to rosberg, accusing his team of tampering with his car when he retired. He won everything for 2 years and only had his team mate to fight and he still kicked up a fuss when everything didn't go his way
Any one of 10 drivers would do just as well as Hamilton has done from 2014 to now everyone just worships him cos his team mates have been weak
Comparing Michael with Lewis is like comparing him with Senna
all amazing drivers, but almost impossible to fully compare
Will be interesting to see if Vettel gets into a fast Aston Martin 2021 car and Alonso makes podium in the 1st 3 races. How will Hamilton react, will he run to the FIA to report drivers on silly things or will he out box them? @jaunty cave
https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/22/nurburgring-to-join-2020-f1-calendar-with-portimao-and-imola/
Nurburgring, Imola and Portimao join the calandar ๐ฎ
With those tracks and the spa/monza/mugello triple header this season's actually looking really good, I just hope there's some competition for the title
You seriously cannot expect me to think your arguments are valid about hamilton
Ham has shown he welcomes All competition on that grid.
There is no one on that grid in my view that can outclass Lewis in the long term.
It's evidently proven.
Not even alonso can be a saviour when he comes back to oppose the supremacy of Lewis in F1.
Again, history has shown this.
Lewis should be on his 8th title if you look at the title he missed by a point and the year with Rosberg.
maybe you should sacrifice your device to the hutch gods, that might work
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@jaunty cave he shouldn't have had his first title, if he complains about reliability in 2008 Massa retired from the lead in Hungary, I think from the podium in Singapore and didn't finish the first 2 races of the season. Hamilton in 2008 crashed into Alonso in Bahrain and into Kimi (both title rivals btw) in Canada, and again in France I think? And Massa lost by 1 point.
Also why did bottas get the drive when at the same time ocon was showing great speed at force India and was already part of the mercedes driver program? Cos hammy don't want a team mate that can get close
Your living in dreamland lol
Hammy has destroyed every rival that's attempted to race against him
Because he's picked weak team mates and everyone else's car is a second behind
And he still managed to lose a title to rosberg
No worries though, some need to see through the numbers
I'm not hating Hamilton I actually like him a lot, and he clearly a huge talent and one of the best
Schumacher record is getting surpassed. End of.
I just wish he had more of a challenge to get to Schumachers records
Well how could he if according to you he picks weak team mates lol
He had had more of challenge, tell Rosberg to get out of retirement then lol
But the fact is he had the best car for 6 years and won 5 times
He knew he cannot handle the heat in the kitchen so he bailed out.
Yeah I agree rosberg wasn't a match for him really, but he worked hard n done really well to take it to him
One thing is for sure though, hams made everyone respect him.
Whether you like him or not, you have to respect him.
Deffo, like I say he's clearly a massive talent and a good person I just wish he had a proper battle for his titles not just walked to every one, that's what makes me rate him less highly
I still think at least 5 drivers on the grid would win the amount of titles he has in the merc
Each to their own opinion. If they were good enough they would be in the Merc lol
Not hamilton, clearly the Merc don't think the other drivers are as good
Merc are as good as they are due to the drivers input and feedback, so over time it's fair to say that car is modelled to hams suitability
Rosberg did the best he could until he realised he needed to get out the sport because another 3 years of the recent one he won he wouldnt cope with the pressure, so now he's turned to being an independent pundit for youtube.
Good luck to him!
Merc's as good as they are, since merc are constantly hiring and taking in the best engineers of their competitors, have the biggest team, the biggest factory and all
Russell to Mercedes when
Oooffff, maybe when lewis retires
but more likely I would see Verstappen going to Merc then
Yeah ._.
Do you think Red bull will give him one
I thought this year was suppose to be that, turns out its a false flag.
Yeah
Well what are they supposed to say pre-season
red bull is a marketing company, they're not going to say "yeah we built an aweful car this year"
thats not going to sell the drinks lol
Now they are also selling clothes with alpha tauri lmao
well yeah, they already did that
but theyve always done other stuff
but for red bull the publicity is more important
@chrome matrix ๐ ๐ ๐
Red Bull pulling out all the stunts
Until there are no more stunts left.
RB days are numbered
Verstappen will become an almost WC driver the way things are currently standing right now.
Verstappen has a team which he is a lead driver in, anyone his age would of loved that opportunity at that age
In fairness he should be able to lead the team if he is that good, the same way Lewis is leading the Merc.
Asolutely - and he has shown that he's good at leading the team imo from driver's perspective
But to say RB days are numbers
thats a bit silly lol
Ver IQ of driving is less then ham, Ver only can drive aggressive for why he is good for spectators
Sometimes you say good things
but then you just say silly things like that
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I miss rosberg in mercedes
I think Ferrari copied Ferrariโs 2019 car
Ferrari is definitely spying on Ferrari
no doubt
Too bad it's not the Nordschleiffe ๐
but october race in germany almost guarantees rain
Norschleife would be nice, but yes October is pretty rainy over here
Nordschleife would be funny
but absolutely aweful and a deathwish for the current drivers lol
Hi guys. Why my pilots always lose qualifying???
Horner said the car has anomalies lol
In other words the car they have is pants lol
Yeah. At least not as bad as Ferari, but the fact Alboff was fighting with the pink mercs and Verstappen couldnt do enything against the mercs show the fact they are not on the same level
I agree. ๐ ๐
Newey has been always creating peaky cars so it might be the time to be less dependent on Newey
If newey goes red bull might as well close shop
Maybe. But hope not.
I feel as though Merc has checkmate on other f1 teams for the next season.
Anyone think latifi is good
Latifi, the rookie in F1, seems to be in the shadows atm.
I think he is ok. He is very strong in quali if i remeber correctly
But allot of s๐ ฑ๏ธinnalas in the race
How many times has Latifi spun so far
With or without Quali? I think 3 without
Hopefully he gets it together
I think he has potential, not too sure of how hot of a prospect he is.
3 spins while 3 races. Sounds like a pay driver to me
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Toto says Russel is part of Merc long term plans, according to media outlets. I don't think russell has what it takes, another mediocre driver expecting entitlements.
I don't rate Russell. I have the impression he thinks he is better then he actually is.
you realize russell was the biggest talent of that generation right? Beaten both Albon and Norris quite comfortably
in the jnr series
Besides defeating Nyck de Vries, who was in his second year F2
and - though its tough to compare - Markelov, who finished 2nd, 72 points behind leclerc, finished in the year that Russell became champion, 101 points behind George, at 5th place. Behind Norris, Albon, De Vries
Russell is one of those drivers that unless he's been given a good car, it's very tough to tell how good he can become / is
Yeah. That is why it is so hard to compare because they have different cars.
Thats also why everyone wanted Vettel to go to Merc cause then Ham and him could compare better ._.
Why not make F1 to F2 2.0 and let everyone have the same car.
In the end that would go against everything that F1 stands for
Which is innovation
Yeah that was also a little bit ironic ๐
How can anyone say Russel is another mediocre driver when he's had the Williams into q2 is beyond me ๐ I think some people underestimate how much influence the cars have in f1
Latifi also got into Q2
Yeah he did have a decent lap, but Russel nearly made it in Austria as well, and latifi has spun a lot. First few races in a difficult car though so can't read too much into it yet
over the years how many seem to be hot prospects until they get a chance to perform on the top stage and are shown to be basic or less so amongst their competitors?
To make comparisons with drivers such as albon and norris. Those drivers haven't proved anything in F1 yet.
The only driver from that era is Verstappen, that's shown he is somewhat worthy.
I can't second your response, drivers are just as important as how good the car is. Alonso proved that with Renault.
Ver would be able to prove that with RB if Merc and Lewis wasn't as strong as they are today. RB's car would be the talk of the town if Merc and Lewis made mistakes. That I know for sure.
Sainz was just as fast in the torro roso as verstappen, Riccardo was just as fast as verstappen in the red bull
Verstappen has been in f1 2 or 3 seasons longer than russell, norris and albon, 1 season longer than leclerc
Mate, youre quick to judge but please stay realistic in stead of a very one sided view on things
I'm highlighting the facts, Lewis in his first season where did he finish relative to his partner, who was defending a double WC.
That's something to consider, when looking at these new drivers coming through, how much of it can be blamed on the car instead of the drivers ability.
If Russell is as good as you say he is, then why did not other top teams show more of an interest to give him a deal he couldn't refuse.
Russell's part of the mercedes young driver program so he's already part of a top team he's just gaining experience, it's a lot different today than when Lewis got his seat
Being part of a young driver program will that guarantee Russell a seat at the Merc?
No garuntee, I meant in terms of contract offers it would limit him
Do you think Russell is better then Ocon?
Hard to say yet, ocon was great in the force India against Perez but can't judge Russell
Have an ask not here pls. This is for rl F1
What does rl stand for? @jaunty cave
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Does anyone reckon schumacher has proved himself enough in F2 for a seat at ferrari
After 2021
Iโm fan of bottas and Norris..... Bottas improved a lot but Norris is very bright! Iโm not sure of Hamilton..... he is very good but has the best car out there aswel..... I think that if Norris getโs into a Mercedes, he could be world champ I think.... still, McLaren is doing realy well.....
Hard to say, general consensus is that Hamilton is the best driver on the grid rn, followed by verstappen, leclerc and vettel
As I said. To compare them you need same car, strategy, etc.
Yeah.... same car.....
Very hard to say....
We donโt talk about Riccardo to much but he is realy good aswel.... when he was at redbullโs he was doing great
Hey @ Sancla, thatโs a great question - always fun to debate who is currently the best driver! I donโt know if you can simply say itโs Hamilton when it obvious the Silver Arrows have had the best car in the turbo-hybrid era (i.e. since 2014). When Red Bull had the best car from 2010 through 2013 Vettel was considered by most to be the best driver on the track. So I look at which driver is consistently getting the most of their car and out-drives their competition. In looking at 2019 through to today, I think Verstappen has the edge because in 2019 even though he had arguably the fifth fastest car, he finished 3rd overall and repressed 66.7% of his teamโs constructor points.
It's good to see portugal on the list this year
In the worst scenario it should have an economic impact of 30Mil
30 mil is really not much on nationwide scale tho
I refuse to believe I should be getting out qualified by 2020 teams with my 2019 team. The cars this year even with nearly max gear donโt seem like they will reach the stats of a close to max geared car from 2019 and the drivers stats are worse than last years drivers unless they have maxed Ham or Verstappen which I doubt anyone has done yet. Massive BS
F1 na veia
How much is the UK economic impact
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What do yโall think about the Nรผrburgring returning to the F1 calendar this year?
I think it's great for Portugal not so great for Brazil.
Wrong chat
Only for rl F1
And pls dont always ping @spare kayak the poor lad always gets pinged
Thx whoever you are
Lol
I think Bottas will outclass spice girl Hamilton at the 3 new tracks@scenic shore
Will Vettel join Aston Martin??
Lol
@chrome matrix XxD
I think Bottas will outclass spice girl Hamilton at the 3 new tracks@scenic shore
@rocky kraken #notvegan xD
Probably, I think that Bottas will take Hamiltonโs place at Mercedes as the top dog
Idk, I think that itโs Vettelโs last chance to make a name for himself as one of the best drivers, even though his glory days are past
Russell deserves Hamiltons seat and think he will prove it this season @scenic shore
For sure, if Russel gets a โbetterโ seat somewhere ( not only at Mercedes ), heโs going to challenge the top guys within a few years
Although Iโm really exited for Sainz in the Ferrari car next year. However, the 2022 changes will affect the drivers market heavily
Leclerc reminds me of Senna, he goes for the gap and makes drivers decide if they want to have an accident or not. Time will tell if he will be a title winner. I must ask why Grosjean and Mags are not fighting during the race it's like they waiting for time to pass, get paid and race next Su8
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Yeah, I donโt really know what happened with Haas tbh. They seemed kinda decent 2 years ago, but with the rich energy โscandalโ, theyโve seem to be on the decline instead of improving and thatโs been seen on the racing track
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Interesting that you think Sainz will be a good addition to Ferrari. I personally cannot see him challenging Leclerc and that is the old Ferrari way with Schumacher and Barrichelo. That would be sad if his going to be used as Leclercs defense and not attack for P1. I can't wait for the last race of this calendar though definitely placing a bet on Bottas doing the dirty on Hammie
Sorry for not answering, but I think that Ferrari has a secure future with Leclerc, but as you said, Sainz might not be the most optimal option for Ferrari at the moment. But I think that itโs a great option before brining in a younger, better and more relative driver. Especially now that thereโs a generation change on its way. So in a few years time, I think that Ferrari might be ahead of other teams like Red bull, Mercedes and the โnewโ Aston Martin team of it does well on track
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I like your take on the current and future of F1 hopefully it will ho down to the wire and make the sport more exciting
Yeah! Iโm really looking for tears to the new regulations of 2022, because the cars will be more close to each other in case of performance. That in itself will maybe affect the drivers relations with their team, so that more long term contacts will be put into the sport. That may create more loyal drivers, such as Pรฉrez at Raving point, who has stayed there for years. Mainly because of the sponsors, but I think that he sees the team as a part of himself as well. However the new regulations may create a negative side to the sport. It may instead โcreateโ more drivers like Alonso at McLaren in 2018, that could ruin the team itself from inside out. Iโm not saying that Alonso did that, but you probably know what I mean. Idk if youโre even able to read this, but yeah
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In my opinion Russell isn't better then Ocon.
Ocon should be next in line for bottas seat. Ocon will give Ver a good run for his money instead of Russell, Williams seem the right fit for Russell lol
Russell seems to be another paid driver.
Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't come from deep pockets
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@jaunty cave wrong channel
Sry, where Can i post This text
Most of these drivers come from deep pockets, yet Hammy bringing them all back to school lol
For an ex WC to come out retirement and need to come back in the sport simply goes to show the lack of talent and skill on the grid.
Hopefully these new regs to come will give more of a chance to expose further most of today's drivers.
@jaunty cave you already posted it in strategy
Oh i dont havnet see that
I'd say there's more talent on the grid now than there has been for a while, Riccardo, sainz, verstappen, leclerc, lando, possibly Russell, ocon, there's just such a big difference from the front 2 teams to the midfield that no one can show it without a top car

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@livid hazel well who's fault is that? How do you know the drivers are extracting everything from the car? To solely say they need a top car to win, might as well give everyone the same car then. In my opinion, Car and driver go hand in hand.
Those drivers you mentioned in my view were exposed in the rain in the second race at austria. Interesting to see that they all blamed their performance on the conditions, hammy however said he loved it.
That's what racing is about, show your superiority when things are against you. That's the true test.
We all know you love your ham, Daniel
@jaunty cave because the ONLY driver that has won a race that wasn't in the top 3 cars was Massa in 2014, when he had the mercedes engine that was at least 1.5 seconds quicker than anything else
You are quite adamant with a couple of statements, while those driver's havent had the chance to prove anything yet
U really are a fan boy aren't u
So now your strawmanning me ๐คฆโโ๏ธ.
Idk what strawmanning is, just stating facts
Well learn what it is, because what you said is NOT a fact its a judgement not on what I said but on me.
If you want to know I'm a fan of F1. A spectacle. I love competition.
Thats what I pay to watch, to see the best racing
Ferrari given up until 2022!
I agree, I hope they really can pull things back.
Then again though it may open up opportunities for new teams to get in the mix
Think everyone has given up til 2022 apart from tracing point
I think they have the second best car.
Whether the drivers are extracting it for what it's worth is debatable.
Yeah I want to see what happens with the protest
That car has potential, do you know who engineered it?
Bit harsh on McLaren and Renault who developed their own design really well
Not a clue whoever designed last year's merc haha
Do you really think the RP is better than the RBR car? Nah disagree with that
Perez did come from 17th to have a go at albon in Austria tbf, probably just behind red bull though
I think RP can give RBR a very good run for their money. They will cause RBR problems this year.
A problem which RBR could do without.
Attacking the Merc while defending off the RP, albon in my opinion is only as good as 4th at best.
Will he hold off both RP's throughout this year, doubt it lol
Anything lower then 4th it'll surely affect him next season. Does he think he can compete with his team mate
Mclaren partnering with Gulf, that's interesting.
Think RP is strong enough to cost albon his drive for next season
Depends if RB has a replacement for him I guess
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That is my setup. But i think it is not so good
@jaunty cave it's f1 chat not f1 manager game chat.
Who else on the grid do you think will go for 2022?
Poor dazzler havinh to delete those messages
I'll be surprised to see kimi in 2022.
How is gasley performing
Shocker to see him back in the Torro, will he always be a midfield team from now on
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@jaunty cave you are love drunk on Hamilton. I don't like him because he so badly wants to be in Sennas frame. He has more titles yet his not consider as a GOAT. The Brits trump up their sportman and I get it, it's pride, but Norris, Russell and Albon are exciting too. Leclerc has shown that he can defend against Hamilton in last years calendar. Hamilton will never say that the Mercedes is in a different league in terms of power and grip. Yet Bottas openly says Mercedes has the fastest car on the grid. We all know its the power unit otherwise Racing Point would not have been qualifying so high up. I hope Bottas wins the title this year so that we can see what Hamilton is really made of. Nothing to prove? Well it's do or die for his ego to equal Schumacher
I definitely agree with you on Ocon. He is the real deal.
Haha... I am love drunk on Ham, for various reasons, I'll explain why? His sheer talent that he has honed into a skill. He is what you call a true student of F1 but yet a master.
I'll take your attention to the facts, look at his record over time.
Consistency, no gimmicks, no political favours or mental intimidation tactics that other WC would use.
He crafted the skill, I'm love drunk on anyone that can produce such a record from dedication and hardwork.
His superiority whether you like him or not, that being subjective. His sheer ability will keep everyone in this sport honest.
Landing the best car on the grid in your first season does help with those records
Tell that to schumacher and all those others that came before him too.
Schumacher who had 2 titles with benneton and started in a jordan
It takes a driver to know how to extract everything out the car. When Vettel was dominating, hammy was still planting his car in the top 5
Yep, the same schumacher that was having political favouring in the ferrari against his team mates.
Look at the facts, schumacher is not on hammys level in any way shape or form.
Hahahaha I CBA doing enough typing to argue this mate ur just totally wrong
Im all for the most skilled. Hamilton has put F1 in his back pocket.
Well done to him, he did it, how your suppose to do it, skill and talent.
Schumacher started at Jordan Ford and went to Benetton before ferrari ... Senna told the world Schumacher was the complete driver. Senna himself had to prove his worth in a Toleman car
Drivers shouldn't be saying if I were in a competitors car, your not! Deal with what you have and get to the top.
Hamilton made the Merc what it is today and the Merc made Ham what he is today.
Schumacher was never hams ๐ฏ!
Mano se รฉ lojo
Schumacher was 3x Hamilton
In my opinion, hamilton knew from the first day coming into F1 he is going to eat this sport alive! And he has.
I give utmost respect to Ron Dennis
Nah fam. Let's be real Merc has a motto to be the best in everything, land, sea and air. They have super smart track focused engineers brought in on heavy salaries. Hamilton is definitely a good driver but without the car and team he would be a Raikkinen
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Each to their own opinion, I think you should do DD, F1 is a rich man's sport, to say heavy salaries is the reason why I don't agree.
Those engineers in F1 don't work in F1 because of the money.
Those are the brightest minds, not only in the Merc but in all f1 teams.
I get your affiliation towards him because he came from working class. But bruhhh what has he done for young black drivers showing potential in karting?? He, Beckham and Kevin Pietersen are in the same spice girl WhatsApp group
I guess you didn't read Ferraris statement on their technical restructure.
Check the engineer budgets on Google and how long they have been associated with the teams
I don't think you do understand my affiliation. Firstly, I'm a fan of hamilton because I watched him grow from his first season, he showed from his skill and work ethic, that's all that will be required from him. Talking will be done on track!
I couldn't careless about what class you're in, how you choose to identify to society. What matters to me is your ability to show you can deliver when it counts and when it doesn't consistently with little errors.
This racer can! He has the qualities fo what I call, a true master at his craft and you'll get to witness it this weekend and the British Silverstone Grand Prix!
You say that but half your arguments are about other drivers coming from deep pockets. Your dizzy bruhh
@noble grove who is winning at Silverstone?
Hi im romain Grojean. Welcome to Jackass
if you can and don't use strawman arguments as a case in point.
My arguments are facts lol other drivers DO come from deep pockets, that's why I said it.
F1 has always been a rich man's sport unapologetically.
In my opinion, I think it should stay that way to be honest.
Okay Dizzy Daniel you defend your boo boo๐ด
So when Ham Pam retires who you following as a hard working driver?
I'll be in support for any driver that can carry such characteristics.
You'll have to wait and see.
Including the wining (not winning) characteristics?
Consistency is what is key. That is undermined in a lot of cases.
Some of those drivers may be WC but to do it day in and day out
That is another level
That is why I believe schumacher was great in a lot of people's eyes.
My bet is Leclerc, he has Schumacher killer instinct. Verstappen will probably be WC in 2021
Well some would of thought he would mount a challenge this year. What do you think RB will improve significantly in a year to win a WC
They have a better chance at focusing on 2022 car in my opinion.
Have you watched a Schumacher race in the early 1990's he had an unreliable car but he overtook drivers like a demon and pushed the drivers in front of him to make silly decisions
Yeah I watched a couple, haven't had any other reason to since ham came on the scene though lol ๐
RB will attempt a last gasp sponsorship deal to improve downforce and steering I am certain of this. Honda won't make much changes to the unit
And if racing point get the clear on the brake air ducts RB will copy a similar mould for their car
Going to your point about ham being a black driver, in my view, he is a mix race driver that identifies black, in relation to what he has done for young black driver showing potential, thats not his responsibility, he is assigned a job and that is to drive first and foremost.
I think what he is doing is remarkable though, raising awareness, however, I think society has enough resources, this is a rich man's sport and rightly so,
Valtteri will win at least 1 of the 2 British GPs
That's not his responsibility but enjoys trumpeting that his the only black driver. Catches feelings when a hand full of drivers stand when he takes a knee and then speaks of adversities he had endured as a black man. So he ain't trying to break the cycle, his just they playing possom and getting paid
@noble grove would you put your money on it though?
@rocky kraken I'm a fan of hamilton for his race craft.
@noble grove thanks Valtteri, here is a drink on me 
And every other driver that can compete at that level
Whilst I'm also a fan of the engineering I hope f1 give engineers a platform
I think he is too. However, I think he holds back alot
How so
As a driver his undeniable as a WC but as a person his more confused than a donkey in a pool
And it's become apart of his personality
Well he doesn't own the grid, he has these one or two sparks of moments
Then how could he get birds such as Tiffany Cromwell
Then you'll never know if he'll mess up. I think it's pressure.
True, I feel like he is like Gasly
Why are you talking about birds?? @noble grove
Birds = girls
I figured that by the womans name....
But why are you talking about his bird? @noble grove
Dan says he has a rigid personality
Dan is dizzy dude
When you earn what F1 drivers earn, woman are the least of your problems when you first meet them
Good looking woman know how to attract the money lol
In my opinion I think he does. He doesn't seem to handle pressure very well like other drivers
@noble grove how do you really feel about Hamilton when he reports drivers to the race Stewards. Do you ever tell him snitches end up in ditches?
If you take the last race, he was driving like he was sailing his yacht on the final laps lol
No, I think Lewis has a right to complain about potential penalties
No I don't think so dan..
I was listening to his onboard when his engineer said overtake and bottas didn't seem phrased lol
Hmm
@noble grove would you split Hamiltons lip if he raised his voice at you?
I think its just me though lol maybe he looked at the bigger picture
Idk
I really think Ocon has potential, reminds me of Ver a little lol
He has that aggression lol
@noble grove I agree with Danny boy, you drove like you were driving a volvo to IKEA
Lol what r u saying
@noble grove can you please drive like how you drive a subaru when another car passes you on the freeway
@rocky kraken I don't appreciate the name calling. Keep it civil please.
Typical Ham fan, I'm out here minding my business ๐ค
I'm also a big Hamilton fan
I'm a typical F1 fan, not buying into "it's because of Mercs power unit" why he is winning lol
Ham been doing this for years lol its nothing new lol
I have no issue recognising greatness if you have it lol
I like Mercedes because of the colors
It's rarity, very few can spot lol
@noble grove mind blown๐คฏ your not really Bottas.... Shame on you
What do you think about the new sponsor for Mclaren
With Gulf Oil
Mclaren right on the money!
Ya they need the cash
That's the british way!
Lol
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Britons love the UAE and Co
Newcastle is next lol
Let's keep it F1 though lol
Mclaren really are looking to be coming back in business
Good for them! Can't stand the orange colour though
Can't stand it, it seeks attention in all the wrong places with that colour lol
It's somewhat ok.
There performance let's it down though
Mclaren should just stick to silver and red
Imagine if the fans could vote on a livery that would be mad
That may not sit well with sponsors though and brands
Ye
But I do think having fans vote in someway which directly affects the sports team would be abit more thrilling
@noble grove are you signing a new contract or are you replacing Grosjean at Haas?
That all depends on how hard verstappen is willing to push lol
His more worried about birds than racing. Lucky the car compensates for this
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So according to F1 news Marko have decided to use RP model
Copying the designs of other team lol
Hi everyone! Is there any italian?
My grandma is Italian, if that counts lol
If you can speak italian, it counts :)
I'm newbie and I need a lot of explanation (also in pvt, if we can't here)
Italian runs in my blood, thats what counts also. :)
Ok, let's speak italian :p
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It's the most frustrating game ever trying to pass someone when I'm in full flow is near impossible and the game glitches
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