Panasonic 3DO

[weak hound]

You figure it took a couple years to do Saturn, it will probably take a couple years to do 3DO no?

Tough road when you don’t even have Saturn games to look forward to

[sinful cliff]

Creating any core is going to be inherently difficult, but it's especially an issue for more niche systems like the 3DO.

Just has that fundamental issue where not a lot of people are familiar with the hardware, so vetting problems is going to be slow.

[fast pebble]

Just like the system 🥁

[umbral charm]

At least this time, he doesn't have to deal with multiple processors and multiple VDPs.

[sinful cliff]

SEGA Saturn was the hardware of all time.

[umbral charm]

StrikerX3 is learning it at the moment on Ymir.

Like, yeay games are working now and booting correctly.

And I arrived yesterday, OK but you have 769 edge cases now which are breaking the gameplay later, one per game almost.

[real rapids]

A dark day indeed. It's over! 3DO core is canceled! What are we fighting foooooorr!

[signal herald]

@marble jetty it’s happening! SRG gave us a release window!

After Saturn is done 😉

[dire sinew]

Saturn||, TG16, Megadrive, SNES, 32X, and MegaCD||

[velvet geyser]

and

[dire sinew]

ooo good call, adding

[signal herald]

didn’t srg write the snes core…are there bugs there that need fixing?

[dire sinew]

oh shit, yes!

[velvet geyser]

-mega drive that’s sorg

[dire sinew]

yes but I think SRG was looking at something for it

[signal herald]

yeah he just did a commit for the md core like yesterday?

[fossil sorrel]

Everybody just stay calm

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-chris-pratt-dinosaur-whisperer-whisperer-easy-gif-4314796

Everything's fine

Juuuuuuuust fine

[sharp pendant]

Well the video he showed off awhile back showed a lot of games running very well, very few obvious bugs, but some noticeable slowdown. He has been working on the 3DO for well over a year, probably going on two now, so when he does drop the core I would expect it to be in a solid state.

It is also not like the 3DO has an abundance of add ons and exotic peripherals, like Saturn does.

[umbral charm]

The sound chip gives some troubles.

[sharp pendant]

Ah, I didn't think about sound. Is it a custom sound chip?

Wiki says:

Sound [52]
16-bit stereo sound[1]
Stereo CDDA playback.
44.1 kHz sound sampling rate[1]
Supports 4-Channel Dolby Surround sound
Custom 16-bit digital signal processor (DSP) with 16-bit I/O and registers but a 20-bit ALU and accumulator, embedded in the CLIO chip.
13 DMA channels of digital input, to be sampled, and distorted by the DSP.

Yeah, that doesn't sound fun to implement...

Reading through wiki again, there was a mouse, light gun and steering wheel.

It also mentions this, what exactly did it do? Just give more save slots?

The Panasonic FZ-EM256 is a 256 KB Expandable Memory Unit that plugs into the 3DO expansion port on the back of the console. It was released in 1994 and sold in Japan only

[signal herald]

custom dsp? oh, maybe that could benefit slamy on the cdi

[sharp pendant]

Hmm, maybe? A nudge to @barren gale incase it is of interest

[signal herald]

well, until SRG releases his implementation, won’t really be interesting

[weak hound]

ChatGPT did a terribad job but too lazy to try again

[barren gale]

I don't think that a "custom DSP" of not standard instruction set architecture is helping here. 😄
Also I think I have found a solution for my issue. Stay tuned.

[visual sonnet]

I'm just happy it's coming at some point

I'll be patient

[outer anvil]

I've seen that picture a zillion times over the years but I have to wonder... WHY is there a cartridge sticking out of the bottom of the dental thing? I suspect it is a mock-up someone made as an example... but really, what is that cartridge? Did Atari say, we are giving you a fantastic deal on this so you have also take a bunch of unsold carts to go with them so we don't have to put them in an Arizona landfill? Now those carts go for good money.

[rich tundra]

Thinking from the perspective of someone that work in healthcare, the cartridge sticking out seems to serve as a little holder for something on the equipment, some of the tools we use have holders for instruments and random things we are using while working

[short vale]

That actually makes sense. I doubt there was software on the carts. But maybe.

[karmic basin]

https://youtu.be/9APovyGdkhs

16 minute mark, the creator talks about the plan for the cartridge.

The dental unit never made it into production, and now the molds are owned by the Atari Age folks.

[distant grove]

And Jamma and a flight stick... The input bits are all well documented though, so that is probably the least complicated part

[paper totem]

I've got a 3do flight stock

[karmic basin]

I'd be more surprised if you did not have one 😉

[covert wagon]

Guess I brought a MiSTer, capture card and mic to Vermont for nothing @real rapids 🤣

[signal herald]

You should know the surprise release is only going to happen if you don’t bring it.

[real rapids]

I think you're good on that front for quite awhile it seems!

[fossil sorrel]

I would guess that the 3DO release will be a surprise attack, wherein our frustrations and lamentations will be left disemboweled and shredded to ribbons on the floor.

https://tenor.com/view/turn-curious-huh-what-looking-i-see-you-gif-16077495

[marble jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-clever-girl-dinosaurs-gif-9559854

Pretend it says “CLEVER CORE” instead of girl

[karmic basin]

We'll know when it releases because @weak hound will come in here to talk smack

[distant grove]

My mother was a SNES girl. And a fiend. And one night she goes off crazier than usual. Daddy had bought a 3DO, and it came with Crash n Burn. She didn't like that. Not. One. Bit.

[wide crane]

Don't forget this beauty

[next magnet]

Verilog always finds a way...

[weak hound]

I’m ready to keep the gate. To hold the door. Hodor

[paper totem]

I used to own one of these until some asshole broke into my house

[distant grove]

It was me. It's still on my shelf

Jokes aside that sucks. Was that the only 3do related thing they took?

[paper totem]

Yeah, lucky I had the screws out of my fz1 for lens cleaning. They tried to lift the console and dropped it. Must've thought they broke it cause they left it. I just put the top back on and it worked fine.

[rich tundra]

the lesson is: leave your consoles without screws to scare burglars

thats exactly the reason i always leave my dreamcast screws out, not because of lazyness, of course

[paper totem]

I lost a lot of consoles that day. N64/snes/ps3/ps4/360/psp/vita

They even took my Hannah Montana PSP

(Psp 3000 with stereo audio)

[rich tundra]

that sucks :/

[short vale]

One of my fears

[distant grove]

My friend on Instagram, the maintenance guy (and coowner I think) for his rental came in while they were on vacation and wiped out his entire collection

[tidal dirge]

Hopefully justice was served if they have all that information as to who did it

[trail raven]

Just sold my 3DO

Hopefully this core comes out ASAP lol

Well inkt too soon

But

[restive oasis]

WHAT, HOW COULD YOU SELL YOUR 3DO!?!?

[trail raven]

The MiSTer

That's how

I only owned a 2600, NES and a PS1 growing up

Anything k didn't own growing up....if someone fpga's it...I sell it

I keep the controllers usually

That's the thing I feel gives you the true authentic experience.... Liiek you cannot get a "Atari Jaguar" feel ..without a giant genesis controller with a number pad glued to it

[gaunt imp]

I agree about controllers.

Nothing new compares to the feel of the original controllers.

Some come close or are a good compromise for a hit-and-run, but if I’m deep diving into a game I like to use an OG controller on MiSTer.

[visual sonnet]

You better hope SRG doesn't go "oh crap turns out it can't be done" 😂

[ashen lark]

This is what I’ve done with all my consoles and things, get rid of the games and consoles and keep the controllers on everything shy of Dreamcast at this point

I do still have a 3do I got off kijiji in 2017 for 60 bucks and a cd binder full of burns though lol

[trail raven]

Well anything that cannot be misterfied..I have kept like anytijing post PS2 era on ..

Ps2, Xbox og, GC, PS3.... Etc etc

[ashen lark]

Same. That post mister era might be the best era though. That brief 6 ish month period when there was Dreamcast-Xbox-ps2-GameCube simultaneously was the peak of humanity I think. But that might be my age talking though lol.

[gaunt imp]

Those were the days

~2000 was great for gaming. PC too

[trail raven]

The ps 1 hits me in the feels ...

Its like I finally saw a game in 3d since I never really PC gamed ever...even doom aside from like a few minutes at my cousinf house..

But even tho it was 3D...you still needed imagination to fill in some gaps ..

The beautiful jank of the PS1 is my favorite era....

Also since SNES was still 2 d.... And than BLAM...check out this game called resident evil with talking and full 3d

[ashen lark]

My whole childhood is fantastic nes-ps2 era. My first machines were intellivision and apple 2 though.

[ashen lark]

Not to mention gba was about to pop off too, and arcades were still healthy…ish

[ashen palm]

Same, started with a 2600, but it was replaced by a NES. Biggest issue at the PS2 time was people getting mad $50 games only taking 5 hours to beat. Now the short length makes me seek out those games, lol. There's a huge variety of games, but not too overwhelming to actually research. Plus more legit single player replayability to try and unlock stuff, instead of paying for unlocks.

[modern gate]

It's been a while since I poked my head in here. Do we have a 3DO core yet? :p

[umbral charm]

Never!

Saturn first!

[modern gate]

Don't we already have Saturn core at home?

[fossil sorrel]

An fpga wizard delivers a core neither late nor early. He delivers it precisely when he means to.

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-gif-10634010482872098537

[ionic plank]

Finally getting around to recapping my FZ-1. It worked fine last time I played it, but I’ve been reading they should just be recapped eventually regardless

somewhat related does anyone know if any existing replacement controller membranes work with the Panasonic controller? Mine is perfectly usable but the buttons are kinda mushy, and I plan on using it with the core as well

[distant grove]

Not that I'm aware

Just get a blueretro for 3do

[paper totem]

Can blue retro out 3do sound out the ps4 controller?

[karmic basin]

That would be cool. I imagine the latency would be fairly bad.

[marble jetty]

Wow the Jaguar won? 🤯

[digital zodiac]

It's more powerful, it should.

Also N64 is better because more power confirmed.

[dire sinew]

do

the

maths

[ionic plank]

It literally has twice as many bits

[real rapids]

I'm getting conflicting reports here.

[marble jetty]

lol sshhhhh

[real rapids]

Don't make me bust out the sticker!

[marble jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[tidal dirge]

64 bits though... 'nuff said

[dense remnant]

It's not how many bits you have, but how you use 'em.

[dire sinew]

whatever you need to tell yourself, 32er

[dense remnant]

I'm an 8er!

[real rapids]

I'm a h8er!

[paper totem]

A lot of 3do ports were unoptimised/bad. Optimised 3DO games vs other consoles won't necessarily be dominant speedwise but 3do should be able to hold ground better than it does.

[ionic plank]

I always point at Blade Force as a good example of what the 3DO is capable of in good hands

[dense remnant]

Same... but now I add MKII to that as well. That is downright impressive. To be honest, it pisses me off to think that's the caliber of fighting game I could have been playing at home all those years ago... in a perfect world.

[lapis minnow]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[real rapids]

Super Street Fighter II Turbo also showed that a good arcade port was possible on 3DO. It's not perfect, but it was still darn good for the time.

[fast pebble]

for the price of a 3D0 you could have almost gotten a cps2 and st board

[barren ginkgo]

The soundtrack for Super Street Fighter II Turbo on the 3DO makes it my favorite version

[ashen lark]

Just curious can pi run 3do? Asking for Robby

[real rapids]

Only Robby the Pi expert can answer such questions!

[tidal dirge]

Just wondering, are there 3D0 games that one could sink hours into and have some fun with it? 😅

Especially when there are other options?

[dire sinew]

M E G A R A C E

[ashen lark]

Doctor Hauzer

[tidal dirge]

Oh that looks fascinating! I'll have to give that one a go when the core is ready

[ashen palm]

We got a demo for MEGA RACE with our multi-media Packard Bell Win 95 PC that stuttered like Max Headroom and it never left the recesses of my mind

[dire sinew]

we are the same. but that packard bell had a ONE GIGABYTE hard drive

[marble jetty]

Yeah, runs alright on Batocera

[silent oak]

can I replicate this with dosbox' cycles?

[ashen palm]

Maybe - if you can set the cd-rom drive speed to 2x that would help too

[distant grove]

I guess it depends what you are looking for

[tidal dirge]

Heh really? Is it that addictive?

I often like playing older PC games on console so you don't have to deal with setup and configuration.

[visual sonnet]

Icebreaker is a ton of fun

150 levels too

[short vale]

Hey everyone. I have had a bit of a maddening evening.

I was all happy to get a S-Video switch from Ebay...

Lo and behold, it didn't work in the way I had hoped.

Firstly, the Gamecube looks very dark and worse when it goes through the switch.

And my 3DO also looks a tad worse.

The switch was advertised as converting composite to S-video as well, so figured my NES and VCR would go through that... and they look like complete dog poop

So now I am stuck again...

Not sure how to set up the gamecube and 3DO to be on an S-video switch if it makes it look dark.

One thing I noticed about the 3DO however is that the composite output does not look half bad.

It looks extremely sharp, the best composite output I've ever seen. Puts my NES to shame.

Have you all noticed that the 3DO's Composite output looks pretty nice? Not that much worse than S-Video?

[sharp pendant]

Does the 3DO actually output native S-Video, or is it just a composite signal over an S-Video connection, like how VCRs can have an S-Video out but only output a composite signal?

[distant grove]

3do is real svideo

[distant grove]

It's nice, but the svideo is a night and day difference on most displays

Pay attention to the white on his pants against the green. Composite has noticeable color bleeding/artifacts. Naturally the rgb is going to be better because of the more modern hardware on the citrus board. With a better svideo cable you can get better results
https://youtube.com/shorts/6iqADJorv08?si=MapytVwLIcDVaLFB

[marble jetty]

Maybe you bought a bum Switch?

[ashen palm]

I've got one like that and yes the Svideo created from composite is bad, and Svideo overall suffers from the extra components. It does not just pass thru Svideo from a native source.

[real rapids]

3DO is definitely true s-video. It was the first console I ever used with an s-video cable back in the day, and the difference was massive.

[short vale]

Yeah it sucks!! It made me start looking into getting an Extron

I think mechanical switches are overall inferior

The powered ones seem to do better

[short vale]

Yeah I’d say the composite definitely has a more jagged look to it in some places and S video much smoother

I haven’t done a ton of testing but was surprised how good the composite looked

Maybe 3DO the early model which I have with that switch just outputs nice image

[dense remnant]

The S-Video was gorgeous on my 27" Trinitron back then.

[short vale]

Sorry the switch on the back of the 3DO not the S-video switch haha

[frosty nimbus]

I kinda miss my 27-inch Trinitron. I definitely don't miss moving it.

[short vale]

Sorry, I know this isn't specific to 3DO but this is kinda the chat room I've been in since buying the 3DO and it led me down this crazy rabbit hole

Thinking of getting one of these! Because the 3DO uses S-Video, and my TV only has one input.

So was thinking this could be good.

It is weird how it has 12 inputs on the front, yet only 8 on the back (see that on many models)

Anyone here use one of these things?

[weak hound]

Yup, have a 12x8 crosspoint ultra. Matrix switches are great

[short vale]

Sweet. This will really be a huge solution to my gaming setup.

[weak hound]

I think the only difference between this and the ultra is light up buttons with face labels and maybe higher bandwidth video allowed?

[short vale]

Oh interesting.

[weak hound]

Oh and ultras are network programmable

[short vale]

I wonder if I should get ultra.

I will see what the diffs are!

[weak hound]

But never used that. Like you can issue a command through an app to switch the inputs. Seems silly for a retro gaming setup but there it is

[short vale]

Wow, the Ultra looks a lot nicer

Main thing is the fan! Didn't know the non-ultra has a fan. Hope not too noisy.

[weak hound]

Eh it’s crap you’ll never care about for this era of games

Maybe if you were like deep into home automation stuff you could tell Siri or whatever to play snes and have it turn on the console / monitors / switch inputs etc

[short vale]

Ooooo

Siri turn on my Super Nintendo haha

Anyhow, this will be so cool. I already have a couple thngs that switch. Got a SCART switch which is great.

The S-Video switch as I wrote about earlier here, not a fan!

It can make my Gamecube look dark.

I was playing Mario Kart and the road was pure black, you couldn't even see the detail of movement on it.

Such a bummer but oh well, might as well get the "best" thing recommended by many... Extron!

[short vale]

So when I washed and cleaned some marks off my 3DO the portions where I scrubbed lost their shine

Hard to see maybe but the top part over the “Panasonic” is very worn off and then at the very bottom as well

Anyone here know a way to get that shine back? ✨

I’m guessing some kinda way to polish it

[sharp pendant]

What did you wash it with? Anything abrasive?

[short vale]

I scrubbed it with a slightly abrasive sponge with dish soap.

I was trying to get some white marks off

They did indeed come off, but obviously I got more off than I intended 😦

[ashen palm]

what about headlight polish?

[marble jetty]

Wow! Can you believe the Sega CD outdoes the 3DO?

[real rapids]

I'm seen this tactic before.

[marble jetty]

lol shhhh

[signal herald]

Especially when they are just fighting for second place- just play it on the cd-i

[paper totem]

When the 3DO core drops we'll all find out the real truth about these games.

[tidal dirge]

Which will probably also be when the Saturn core is done :D

[dense remnant]

The Saturn core will never be done... 😭

[ionic plank]

Sega does what 3DOn’t

[karmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-down-not-happy-serious-disagree-disapprove-gif-16881698

[short vale]

Great share!!!!

[distant grove]

The only 3do vs 32x Sega CD video anyone would need to see

[low drift]

The truth is that the frame rate of this game is pretty decent considering other 3d games on this platform

[distant grove]

Hovers upper teens to 20fps. Most 3d 3do games are 20-27

[low drift]

Crash n Burn looks way more sluggish, but maybe are around the same fps

[distant grove]

Crash n burn runs about the same as road rash

[paper totem]

Super Wing Commander 3DDo what Sega Don't

[distant grove]

Honestly though, nfs on 3do blows me away. That shit has to be hyper optimized lmao

[low drift]

@distant grove considering that we are still far from a first beta core, what would be the best emulator to explore the library? Sorry if this question has been asked many times before

[distant grove]

Phoenix. I'll get you a link

[low drift]

Thanks!

[distant grove]

Phoenix English: https://3dodev.com/_media/software/emulators/phoenix/phoenix-english_28jag.rar

Bios: https://3dodev.com/_media/roms/panafz1.bin

@low drift what kinda games are you into? I can just give you a list of games to download that way you don't have to download the entire archive.org collection just to sift through mahjong and edutainment lol

[low drift]

Y really need to try Po'ed

😂😂😂

And any other obscure games like this one

Thanks for the links! 🙌

[distant grove]

Lmao fun game

[distant grove]

Immercenary
Po'ed
Killing time
Virtuoso
Quarantine
Robinsons requiem
Slayer and death keep
Escape from monster manor
Are all neat ones and play well

[low drift]

Great! 🤸

[distant grove]

That's all first person oriented stuff

We have homebrew too. A good bit

[visual sonnet]

And tons of other great games too

[karmic basin]

Like Gex. And… Gex.

[dire sinew]

M E G A R A C E

[marble jetty]

Would your evil twin be Delete3DO?

[dense remnant]

C-3DO

[distant grove]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/3DO_protocol/service_droid

[karmic basin]

The prophecy is fulfilled.

[distant grove]

Memoryholed3DO

[unkempt ferry]

oooo he was a bit creepy on that.....watch I'll go back and check and find it was one of the best comedians of all time, George Carlin! 🙂

[cloud pike]

Does 3DO have anything that would require special handling for its CDs?

Or is the Jaguar going to be the only system in all of MiSTer that can't handle .BIN/.CUE and .CHD?

[cloud pike]

(And more importantly, will the 3DO core support .BIN/CUE and .CHD?)

Ok, so the core supports .BIN/.CUE at least, assuming I understood the video right.

[marble jetty]

That core is still under heavy development. I’m sure it’ll support bin/cue/CHD once it’s wrapped up.

[cloud pike]

There’s a simple fact of life…

[cloud pike]

God, hates, the Jaguar.

[marble jetty]

Man that is wild

[marble jetty]

Hold on I just woke up, I think it’s some Saturn thing

[cloud pike]

???

We’re in the 3DO channel, with forwarded messages from the Jaguar one.

How did the Sega Saturn come up?

[marble jetty]

I mean the Saturn games have issue with it

Indexes

CHD doesn’t support more than two index’s

[cloud pike]

Uh, does the PS1 or CD-i have any issues relating to that?

[marble jetty]

Nah let me link link you

#1046941029296779344 message

It’s not a lot of games, and most of them are out there.

It’s been reported to them for a couple of years now. They haven’t gotten around to supporting it yet. 🤷‍♂️

[cloud pike]

Ok, so I can use all the .chds I want for the Sega CD.

[marble jetty]

Oh my god you have all these at the ready lol

[cloud pike]

I’m this platform’s number 1 forwarder user.

[marble jetty]

You kick ass, thanks for posting all that and educating me btw

[cloud pike]

I wasn’t even trying to, I was just trying to keep up with you on info.

I guess the PS1 could have issues still.

I’ll ask in the PSX thread to be safe.

[marble jetty]

yeah the cd stuff is super tricky, I have zero insight on it other than “data on thin metal layer in plastic disc” lol

[sharp pendant]

I think there is one CD-i title that CHD won't work for, but memory is hazy. If it doesn't work for Jaguar then not exactly the end of the world. The Jag CD library is small so you aren't saving that much space having them not in CHD

[real rapids]

A brief summary of Robby's responses.

[azure matrix]

gonna be real, the only 3DO games I would even consider trying out of curiousity are Demolition Man and Twisted.
the other games i have some sort of interest in are available on other platforms

[visual sonnet]

You'd be missing out then man

Slayer is really good. So is Deathkeep, as well as Immercenary

[marble jetty]

Ok, I understand that I like retro games a little too much but I found like 40 games that all seemed super cool to me on the 3DO.

Well at least 40 games

[fast pebble]

you counting regions as their own game?

[real rapids]

I count "Heart of Ice" as its own game. 🦇

[karmic basin]

ESPN Aerobics better be on that list

[visual sonnet]

There are seriously a lot of cool games on the 3DO. Too many people just shit on it cause they are others do it.

Some other games I'd suggest trying are Icebreaker, Escape From Monster Manor, Captain Quazar, and Shock Wave 2,

[marble jetty]

I think that’s the beauty of emulation. Remove any financial commitments and you can just enjoy the console and games for what they are. I think so anyways.

[visual sonnet]

I'm in total agreement. There's no reason to be a pissy fan boy today and shit on these old machines. It's perfectly ok to have your favorites. I'm a diehard Sega fan boy forever, but that doesn't mean I cant load up some Jaguar and discover games that otherwise I'd have never experienced before. To me finding those new experiences are a huge part of what retro gaming is all about
At least for me anyways

[lapis minnow]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[marble jetty]

omg, MiSTer turned me into such a huge Sega fan lol

[visual sonnet]

Both emulation and mister have made me appreciate the SNES and N64

We were both so busy being Sega or Nintendo fanboys back then we didn't realize how great we all fucking had it

That 16 bit generation was the absolute best

[vestal steppe]

With me thanks to mister I now learned to enjoy GBA and all other handheld stuff since I hate it to play on portable systems. Give me the big screen all the time. Sure could have done that with emulation but never bothered enough

[real rapids]

I honestly used my Super Game Boy (SNES) and Game Boy Player (GCN) more than my actual handhelds back in the day for the same reason.

[ionic plank]

It’s the opposite for me, it feels weird to play handheld games on a large screen since I’m so used to the original hardware

[covert wagon]

@real rapids it’s everyone’s favorite AI console!

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/m-and-ms-christmas-commercial-they-do-exist-they-exist-commercial-gif-19390949

[covert wagon]

no this is the real M2

def going in the thumbnail

[real rapids]

Need to sneak 420 into that image as well.

[wary matrix]

what is the link or repository for current 3do core?

[marble jetty]

There is no core available.

But the repository is probably this - https://github.com/srg320/3DO_hw

[real rapids]

It would if you loved 3DO hard enough!

[wary matrix]

use to own the console some odd years ago

[marble jetty]

That’s really cool!

I never owned one but I did want one when it came out.

I played a demo unit at a Burdine’s department store (big FL chain) and was mesmerized by the demo cd that had a full episode of Batman on it with Mr. Freeze

[visual sonnet]

I still own that demo CD 😂
It blew me away too

[ionic plank]

I’m a late in life 3DO owner. @covert wagon’s video series about why the 3DO doesn’t suck is entirely to blame

[wary matrix]

got a 3DO back in 1993 when they came out... use to always frequent Babbages stores back in Virginia during the early 90s

[covert wagon]

Hell yeah!

[marble jetty]

Great, you’re encouraging him

[ionic plank]

he single-handedly double the number of people buying 3DO stuff off eBay

0 to 1

[sharp pendant]

If there wasn't a core coming, I would definitely recommend people who have a spare few quid and are set up for playing old consoles to seriously consider getting a 3DO

Although this is coming from someone currently watching a Laserdisc, so factor that in

You can see the 3DO under my telly though

[covert wagon]

The biggest “miss” for retro gaming fans is not realizing 3DO has a ton of fun games on it. They just read “har har 3DO Sux” and never explore the library

[marble jetty]

har har 3DO Sux

[visual sonnet]

@marble jetty is just jealous the 3DO has bigger guns than he does 😂

[marble jetty]

It’s true

[rigid shoal]

I played the hell out of my 3DO and had a Laseractive for PCE and Genesis. I remember playing quite a few MegaLDs as well.

Too bad there is no Laseractive core. I have yet to see dumps of those discs anywhere.

[weak hound]

Wait, you actually had a LaserActive when they were released?

[rigid shoal]

Yep! Had two.. don’t laugh 😂

I used one downstairs for my laser disk movies and kept the PC engine pack there and then also had another upstairs where I did most of my gaming on the Genesis pack

[weak hound]

In 1993 that’s like $10,000

[rigid shoal]

I didn’t buy the second one until incredible universe was closing. I think back then for that one I paid somewhere around 650 for the player and the PC engine pack.

[weak hound]

Or maybe more like $8000

[rigid shoal]

But yeah, I think I paid almost $1200 for the first one

[weak hound]

Crazy, I knew someone must have bought them in early 90s but it seems insane. Here you are though 😅

[rigid shoal]

Hahahaha! Well, I already had a laser disc collection and was/am a avid gamer

[weak hound]

Are you that guy that had neogeo when it was new as well?

[rigid shoal]

You wanna know something that’s gonna blow your mind.. I sold them because they didn’t have component video. So yes, I was a moron on both ends.

Yes, I had the neo Geo as well

I bought it from a place called Japan video games that advertised in the back of EGM

[weak hound]

Must’ve cost a fortune. The games were a few hundred new right?

In 90s dollars

[rigid shoal]

Honestly, though I probably only bought about 10 carts for that system and got some fucking sense into my head

But then I guess I turned around and bought the 3DO as well on lunch so that was short-lived

[weak hound]

Yeah you have a pretty unique history. “The most expensive failures “

[rigid shoal]

Yeah, you could get games for the neo about 170 bucks back then. I think my first games were Nam 75, fatal fury, mutation nation, and a few others. I can’t quite recall anymore.

[weak hound]

Cool thanks for sharing, I didn’t know anyone with those systems growing up

[rigid shoal]

I kept some of the stuff and it’s just kinda littered throughout the house. I ironically my kids find more interest in that stuff and showing their friends than they do the TVs in the house. They have no interest in those anymore.

[rigid shoal]

All of the consoles, we just talked about gave you the sense of having a muscle car with no gas in it. The 3DO actually did drop an ass load of shovel wear at the end and had a few good titles in between for sure. But yeah, I guess I donated money to history.

Make no mistake. The Neo-Geo had great games, but I wasn’t in the mindset of purchasing games. I could still go to the arcade and play for much less.

Then one day a little program called Nesticle came around and flipped the script.🤣

I thought that was so awesome that I could do the same thing with ROMs that I was doing with floppy on Commodore .

The came along super magic multi drive and the rest was history 👍

[dense remnant]

"Yep, had two LaserActive players. One for Genesis, one for TurboGrafx-16. Boy, did I feel silly when I realized those modules were removable and interchangeable..." 😏

[signal herald]

Do you still have the megalds?

Haha, look at this https://gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=38308#p38308

[rigid shoal]

Ha! In my case, the secondary one came with the PCE pack. It saw the least amount of “game” use for sure. I got that one from a place called Incredible Universe just before they shut down and it became a Fry’s Electronics location.

I had quite a large LD Movie collection. That was used almost primarily for movies downstairs.

$600 for a good LD player with a Turbo/CD Duo was a steal.

[rigid shoal]

The only one I kept was Hyperion

I would love to have a FPGA core for it and or the arcade LD game sets.

Thanks for the link!

[dense remnant]

I still have approximately 250 Laserdiscs, some of them still sealed in the shrink wrap. My Marantz LV502 (which is essentially a rebadged Pioneer CLD-D504) started having issues many years ago. It no longer automatically 'flips' the disc to play the other side, and the VFD simply stopped working.

[marble jetty]

Who’s gonna be our star testing quarterbacks when this core goes public?

I assume @distant grove and @covert wagon?

[covert wagon]

Best I can do is bareback

I think we'd both know the most of "is it doing what it should be doing" and have all the pertinent hardware and software to test the core against OG stuff but my time is limited so my testing will come in the form of videos

I am also just so starved for spare time. Work and channel + house hunting. Spent basically the entire weekend touring open houses and not finding shit

[real rapids]

I shall be a testing fiend!

[weak hound]

And I can help by making fun of that thing you like

Everything’s in place now

[ionic plank]

every core release needs a hater to balance things out

[tiny marsh]

Fiend, but not friend

[visual sonnet]

Count me in. I already have the entire 3DO library loaded on my MiSTer hard drive ready and waiting

[marble jetty]

Awesome, thank you!

[visual sonnet]

I own an FZ-10 and FZ-1 to compare against as well to the core

[paper totem]

I have an FZ-1 and a CH flightstick. Gonna make sure Wing Commander works.

[marble jetty]

I own a controller!

[marble jetty]

Hell yeah I have that

And the original green version too, none of this scrub blue button reprint nonsense

[dense remnant]

Oh snap

I didn't know you were that hardcore!
Respect!

[marble jetty]

Hardcore? Stupid? The line is blurry.

[dense remnant]

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. It's all about you!
"But I feel hollow and unfulfilled..."
"Then you need more stuff!"

[signal herald]

Yeah, when the mister 3 comes out it’ll be fun to break out the steel battalion controller again

[warm kiln]

At the current scale, about how many LEs would you theoretically need for something like an Xbox core?

[real rapids]

It's my understanding that anything beyond Dreamcast isn't really an LE problem. Like the complexity of PS2, GCN, and Xbox make FPGA kind of a non-starter.

[marble jetty]

I'm not a core developer, you're probably more educated on this than I am. But basically the biggest issue in FPGA development is programming resources. The leap from PS1 to Xbox is absolutely massive. We're talking 850,000 and 1 million transistors for the PS1 leaping to around 125 million transistors on the Xbox and that's just for the CPU! If something as comparatively archaic as the Saturn took a couple of years from a very dedicated and brilliant FPGA developer like srg320, trying to replicate an Xbox by himself would take an order of magnitude longer.

Basically, FPGA devs are very few and far between, they work for free and in their spare time, and they do it because they love the hardware. So fundamentally, hardware isn't ever the issue in FPGA retro game development. It's having the right person willing to do grueling work for years on end and without being paid for it.

[gaunt imp]

Even Dreamcast will be a beast if it’s ever done. The Imagination Tech PowerVR GPU has to be kinda big I imagine. Not to mention the SH4.

[ashen palm]

This is why I own multiple consoles from the PS2 era and forward. They are pretty easy to just softmod (360 is getting there...)

[marble jetty]

I mean I could be wrong, maybe it's not that much of a leap to do it. Especially with emulators getting better to use as reference.

[sharp pendant]

I would keep in mind that there are only a handful of Devs who are able to make cores for CPUs from the late 80s and early 90s, that we would consider to be pretty basic and crude by the standards of what was in 6th gen machines. Even fewer who could pull off entire 5th gen systems like even the 3DO, PSX, N64, Saturn and those take years. Anything after maybe DC really doesn't seem feasible, and even DC seems a stretch.

I think most of us know this already though, but incase anyone reading doesn't

[ashen palm]

MiSTer is amazing enough. Decades of rotting, rare and forgotten technology accessible on new and old displays inside a small low power box. It's largely fulfilled it's purpose.

Not that I don't hope post Dreamcast can't be further preserved. Plus we got this 3DO core on the way!

[sharp pendant]

Still plenty of consoles, computers and arcades that are very doable on the DE-10 Nano, that keeps me excited 🙂

[dense remnant]

I've already gotten far more out of the MiSTer project than I ever dreamed was possible almost 7 years ago.

[dense remnant]

Still hard to believe the DE10-Nano cost so little back in early 2019.
Now it's listed for $350 on Amazon.

[ember seal]

clockspeeds are also a big problem for something like xbox the cpu is at 733mhz

i'm not even sure they make fpgas that fast at any price right now

[tidal dirge]

Yeah, I got my first for $140. I guess a lot has changed since then. There's no way it's just inflation 😄

[fast pebble]

Looney head of state, pandemics and inflation can be a wild combination

I guess one st least was preventable...

[paper totem]

Hoping the Replay 2 can do a 3DO M2

Maybe get a Voodoo 2 / Pentium 2 core.

[gaunt imp]

That'll be a heavy lift. Heavier than Dreamcast for sure. How is Replay 2 coming along? I've been hearing about it on and off for years.

[marble jetty]

Doesn’t matter if the hardware can do it, the bigger challenge is finding someone who wants to do it and can.

FPGA hardware is not meaningless but is like 10% of the equation on getting more cores.

It’s why the MiSTer has stuck around for so long.

Hardware guys want to hype the community up because they want to sell you hardware but all of it is fluff.

[sharp pendant]

This is the key point people need to realise. Some random new FPGA hobby board will almost certainly not lead to exciting new console and computer cores not possible on the DE-10 nano. The most complex 5th gen cores that have been done: N64, Saturn, PSX, now 3DO, have been done by two people. Each of those cores has taken well over a year as well of pretty much full time development.

There are lots of talented developers in the community, but there have only been two who have been able to crack that generation of complexity and see them through to the finish line. Hardware is not the blocker.

There are lots of great climbers out there, but how many do you think could solo climb Everest and make it back down again?

[karmic basin]

Basketsnake says he’s really close to being done with his PS2 core. Might even have PS3 done by Christmas.

[ionic plank]

Wake me up when he’s done with the PS4 core 😴

[ashen palm]

But you can only play the Ape Escape mini game in Snake Eater

[tidal dirge]

Or so we thought, but it did indeed result in such an insanely prolonged parts shortage.

[fast pebble]

imagine how many mister user there could be if it weren't for the robbys of this world owning twelve or so

[tidal dirge]

🤣

I only have two, one I treat as a console, another I treat as a desktop computer. I was planning on getting another for an arcade cabinet, but I'm not very good at starting projects like these

[chilly gale]

I will just wait for breaking news. 3DO core arrives at last. Not esoteria fella but has no links again

[real rapids]

I for one look forward to Video Game Erotica|| 😳|| breaking the news that Plummer's Don't Wear Ties is now playable on the first build of the 3DO core.

[signal herald]

maybe zet-sensei can convince srg to make the core only play that game.

[ashen lark]

Selling my 3do today, so like the pressures on now srg320 lmao

[restive oasis]

if you take the name srg320, rearrange the words, swap some out you get 3do

is this a coincidence?!?

[fast pebble]

Dunno, I land on virtual boy

[ashen lark]

I’m 3do-less!

[ember seal]

congrats!

[ashen lark]

I’m gonna have to get a new family doctor, doctor hauzer is no longer available to me

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/steezus-gif-373275211424568229

[vernal trench]

@covert wagon You're not on bsky by any chance are you? Saw people in my feed celebrating the 3DO M2 (who would do such a thing!), and debating how much of some "imsa racing game" ever saw the light of day. Figure there is one person that might know 😂

[covert wagon]

Haha I am on there. Tag me

[vernal trench]

There you go. I think my problem was misspelling esoteric, and a failed attempt at bacon

[marble jetty]

It’s spelled VGErotica

[vernal trench]

That explains it. Living in the UK so I barred from such content anymore

[ionic plank]

I’ve gotta ask who the guy in your profile pic is bc that’s not you…right? 🤣

[marble jetty]

It’s basically him.

🎶 Retro and games, retro and games. Go together like deep shame.

This I tell @covert wagon’s mother, all the while I plow her. 🎶

[ionic plank]

I’m showing my age by not recognizing him I think

[marble jetty]

||his profile photo is of the main star from the TV show Married with Children. The lyrics I posted above is a crass rewording of the theme song.||

[ionic plank]

Yeah that one was just a little before my time

[fast pebble]

*attempt at

[ionic plank]

I was like, 5 when it ended

[covert wagon]

@marble jetty ban plz

[ionic plank]

[marble jetty]

Yeah I only saw it through reruns.

oh wait no, wow it ended in 97?

The TV show is very funny but also incredibly sexist and likely offensive for modern audiences.

[fast pebble]

Surprisingly less so than one would assume

[ionic plank]

the closest I’ve come to watching it is that one episode of futurama that does a self-referential parody

[marble jetty]

It also co-stars the voice actress of Leela from Futurama

[covert wagon]

Peggy Bundy! Dunno why Al ever complained about her as his wife. Nobody would kick Peggy out of bed

[real rapids]

Love and MiSTer. You can't have one without the other.

[short vale]

80's Katey Sagal. This was her when the NES was released in the USA.

[short vale]

I literally haven't seen it since the 90s... I might have to watch it again and see how much it doesn't fit into the 2020s haha

[covert wagon]

Even today she’s hanging in there. Peggy Bundy AND the voice of Leela? Now there’s a career!

[cobalt zephyr]

I think you mean R ·E ·A ·L

[tribal sandal]

She was also in the Sons of Anarchy series

[short vale]

I still have t seen that! I hear it’s quite good

[tribal sandal]

It’s really good 😎

[dense remnant]

Gemma was someone you didn't mess with. She could be savage... especially in season 6 ||(IYKYK)||. Katey was born to play that role.

[dense remnant]

I find the so-called 'modern audience' offensive.

[marble jetty]

I can’t win

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bcWHW.gif

[real rapids]

We are officially another day closer to the 3DO MiSTer core release. I think about this every day. Every. Single. Day.

[weak hound]

Cmon earth destroying meteor 🤞

[short vale]

I played Mortal Kombat 2.

Lots of issues.

While the game is graphically beautiful, the controls were not great.

I continually felt as if my button presses (especially jumps) were not registering perfectly. It wasn't very responsive.

And also, when the 'danger' appeared on my opponent, I'd sometimes have to kick them three times to get them down.

Am I playing a buggy prototype? Or is this what you are experiencing too? Both me and my friend who played 2 player were astonished at the bad controls.

There are some definite issues with this 'not a port' and I can definitely tell it's been built from the ground up. Lots of little jankies like jumping too far then bouncing off the screen

It doesn't "feel" at like MK2, tho it certainly looks like it

Sorry if I am coming off as harsh, I just really thought this port would be like, the best, but it's turning out to be kinda unplayable.

[paper totem]

We should port Mario Kart to 3DO

Decomp for the N64 version is available

[visual sonnet]

Yeah it's got a lot of problems. Visually it's incredible. Same with audio. The trick for no load times on the Shang Tsung morphs is genius and looks cool

The gameplay is just not there. However, I was under the impression it's simply feature complete, So I would imagine he's still trying to iron out the gameplay details.

[zenith dragon]

There is always Mega CD and Paprium core too🤣

[distant grove]

What version are you on

Also emulator or real hardware

[short vale]

Real hardware and I’m not sure the version but I got it about a month ago

[short vale]

Good to hear!

[distant grove]

It'll say on the title screen. Which controller are you using

[short vale]

I’ll check later tonight

As for the controller I’ll post a picture

[distant grove]

Is it Panasonic branded or 3rd party

[short vale]

Panasonic

Pretty good condition

Played fine for other games tho I found tapping the left shoulder fast for E Honda rather tiresome in SFII

[distant grove]

That's probably your jumping problem, then

[short vale]

Oh ya? I’d love to try a better controller

[distant grove]

A guy posted a fix for the first gen Panasonic controllers on r/3do the other day with pictures

[short vale]

It’ll be rad when the 3DO is out on Mister so I can use better controllers with it 😅

Like the M30 oh yeah

[distant grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/3DO/s/z3rLoCMq36

[distant grove]

You can already do that

There is a Bluetooth adapter

[short vale]

Nice. I’m kinda not the biggest fan of blue tooth but might try this

[distant grove]

The Bluetooth adapter is very good

Even the ali express ones. Just make sure it's a blueretro powered one and not the BS adapter metal Jesus advertised like a chode

[short vale]

Ok awesome

I wonder if works with ps4 controller

[distant grove]

I use my adapter exclusively on my 3do M2 lol

[distant grove]

As long as it's bluetooth

[short vale]

Ok

Will try 👍👍👍

[distant grove]

You can program it to have flight stick controls. So you can play NFS with a proper joystick

[short vale]

That’s fun

[distant grove]

Also means you get the same joystick improvements with wing commander 3, Starfighter, flying nightmares, and whatever else uses it

[short vale]

Love WC3

[dense remnant]

I still remember needing to do that to all my original 3DO controllers back when it was new to fix diagonals registering properly.
Just slightly back off the screws on the back of the controllers around the area behind the D-pad.
Worked great.

[wary matrix]

Ughh .. I can get a working 3DO FZ-1 for 200$ right now if I had the money

[ionic plank]

worth it but also damn, the prices are going up already. I got one in immaculate physical condition with two controllers for $150 on eBay a year ago

@covert wagon your impact is being felt already

[covert wagon]

haha what did I do?

[ionic plank]

Make people want to buy 3DOs

[covert wagon]

haha of all this shit Ive been yelled at for in the last week apparently I did something GOOD 🤣

[ionic plank]

Life as a retro hardware influencer is tough I see 😔

[covert wagon]

haha its always an interesting time

[wide crane]

I think it's more the M2 want and desire than the basic 3DO

[covert wagon]

Every collector def wants one

But there aren’t enough to go around. There’s 12? Maybe 14? I’d have to check

[wide crane]

You have to go count your 14 😂

[covert wagon]

Haha no those are of all types

I am talking the console shape. I have two of those

[covert wagon]

three "kiosk" M2's and 11 arcade boards

[mortal mulch]

Were there any actual games for that?

[real rapids]

Some arcade stuff yes.

[dire sinew]

[karmic basin]

Too bad the M2 isn’t real and every YT video you see about it is AI.

[real rapids]

Even the videos that were created before generative AI became a thing!

Just done with practical effects.

[ionic plank]

Photoshop is now a practical effect 🥲

[covert wagon]

It’s paper mache and camera tricks

[real rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-i-knew-it-chandler-gif-15801472

[marble jetty]

I am super excited for this core. She I was reconverting my CHDs I was reminded of all the cool and interesting games on the 3DO.

[fast pebble]

name me five

without ports to superior systems

[real rapids]

Superior systems, but not always superior ports!

[fast pebble]

that's me being nice and giving him some leeway

something like that…

[rich willow]

tylenol

[tidal dirge]

Kinda looking forward to the development of this core. That'll mean Saturn would be about as solid as it can be 😄

But also there are some games I'd like to try

[warm kiln]

Snow Job, Slayer, Zhadnost, Twisted, Guardian War…

[languid moth]

How the dev on this one coming? Would be amazing to see this thing on FPGA - I remember when the 3DO came out, it was like $700.00 back then!

[spring briar]

I’m also interested in games like Road Rash which were originally 3DO games that got ported with various pros and cons.

[real rapids]

We don't know outside of the video that srg320 uploaded a while back that showed some progress footage. He's been largely focused on Saturn lately, but it's hard to imagine that he hasn't done at least some tinkering with 3DO since that last video.

[visual sonnet]

Easy. Hell I'll name more

1. AD&D Slayer
2. AD&D Deathkeep
3. Immercenary
4. Twisted
5. Guardian War
6. Belzerion
7. Snow Job
8. Killing Time
9. Shockwave 2

3DO also had the best versions of The Horde, Space Hulk, Total Eclipse, Road Rash, and Need For Speed

[fossil sorrel]

CPU Bach!

Not really a game but interesting

[spring briar]

3DO Road Rash had the worst framerate but the best in-race music if I understand correctly. The Saturn had a great framerate but laughable music and poor colors / textures. I’m curious what I will prefer.

PSX was in the middle for everything from what I’ve been told.

And PC is a whole other beast.

[fossil sorrel]

I think the ports of Road Rash are too fast

[spring briar]

Yeah that’s what I’m curious about. I’ve spent the most time on Saturn and it’s brutal.

[fossil sorrel]

I could be misremembering but when I re bought it for ps1 I found it suddenly unplayable

[spring briar]

In case anyone is Road Rash curious: https://youtu.be/7uCbLzohfj0?feature=shared

[fossil sorrel]

Or it felt too hard

Not as fun

[spring briar]

I could see a lower framerate making the game easier to play.

Love that game so much.

I keep an M30 in my bag and a copy of Road Rash Saturn on my iPad as my emergency game.

[real rapids]

Road Rash on the PS1 turbo core is actually pretty cool. Basically better frame rate than the Saturn version, but with the proper shading between buildings from the 3DO version.

[fossil sorrel]

That sounds great I'll check it out!

[fast pebble]

Well, I guess Robby was not able to provide a list after all. Close the repo!

[tribal sandal]

Interesting I will have to try it on the ps1 turbo core, if I remember rightly I think the buildings fade in on 3do but that effect is missing on the other ports

[dense remnant]

I still enjoy Crash 'n Burn. It has a certain charm to it.

Definitely not the worst pack-in game.

[chilly gale]

I doubt its coming at all, personally. Not many people like the 3DO

[real rapids]

You doubt that the core is coming? As long as srg320 stays safe, it's coming.

[tidal dirge]

I would rather he makes a better maintained Mega/Sega CD core

[dire sinew]

Last word on mega cd was that it needs a rewrite. Maybe for mi2ter

[tidal dirge]

Yeah I can see that it needs a rewrite

Guess we won't see that until after 3D0

[warm kiln]

You know, I still haven’t tried Crash ‘n Burn yet, but it looks pretty fun from videos - kind of like a more advanced take on MegaRace.

[visual sonnet]

Crash N Burn is actually a lot of fun

[ionic plank]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

[vapid swallow]

I need a Mega/MegaCD core with save states, these games are brutal 😛

[dense remnant]

It's funny how the games didn't seem that hard when they first came out while I was in my early 20s.

[vapid swallow]

Yup. I just don't have the time these days to dedicate to them.

[gaunt imp]

I play all games on “very easy” whenever possible for that reason.

Very easy in retro games is like modern day hard though

[tidal dirge]

Just watched the AVGN episode on 3DO. 😂

[ionic plank]

I’m sure it was a fair and well informed opinion

[real rapids]

Possibly of the angry variety.

[dire sinew]

It's been 30 years since SRG announced this core (feel old yet?)

[marble jetty]

I still love 3DO despite only playing a demo of it once

[cobalt zephyr]

I tried every game on a Pi 4 once and it was definitely one of the systems of all time

[lapis cape]

The Strong Museum in Rochester, New York has an M2

[real rapids]

Just another one of Awbacon's paper mache practical effects no doubt!

[lapis cape]

You're right, I'm his accomplice and I put it there in a reverse heist. His 06 recomp video was actually an encrypted set of instructions for me 😂

[marble jetty]

Ai generated, M2 isn’t real

[sharp pendant]

If M2 was real it would be on one of my spreadsheets. It is not on one of my spreadsheets.

[marble jetty]

In @sharp pendant we trust

🫡

[signal herald]

If it is so real, then how is it working without a power cable?!

The controllers aren’t even plugged in

[median lake]

Why not a remaining exhibit of the M2?
See the according WP article:

[...] the M2 eventually became a standalone console and was exhibited and demonstrated at the 1995 Electronic Entertainment Expo

[karmic basin]

I've seen it with my own eyes twice now. I still don't believe it's real. Some kind of trickery.

I asked one of the curators there about the M2 and they turned and walked away. This conspiracy runs deep.

[real rapids]

Were they wearing sunglasses? Did they have an esoteric air about them? Did they smell of bacon?

[karmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/v-nod-nodding-noding-diana-gif-15179523309506577903

[sharp pendant]

Hope everyone is hyped to play this disc...

[tribal sandal]

Color echo is a REAL Trip

[chilly gale]

Locked out of Shadow Dancer again after update all. Jtcore. I respect him but it isn't a subscription

[sharp pendant]

I think you posting in the wrong channel...

[dire sinew]

wrong discord tbh

[sharp pendant]

Yeah, you should hop over to JT's discord and let him know something is broken

[chilly gale]

ohh so embarrassed. This is for the totally happening 3DO.

[sharp pendant]

Yes. Yes it is.

[dire sinew]

Are there 3DO truthers? God I love video games

[chilly gale]

i do. I draw the line at that plumber game

[karmic basin]

Trip Hawkins actually won the console wars, but the LAMESTREAM media suppressed it

[dire sinew]

Big EA suppressing THE TRUTH

[karmic basin]

Do your own research!

[dire sinew]

even chatgpt is in on it

[rich tundra]

they created the totally never existent M2 to divert our attention from what is R•E•A•L

[digital zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5GQkE7UmFk - hey, what's this

[marble jetty]

That’s Casper

[dire sinew]

the irony is that truthers don’t concern themselves with the truth

[digital zodiac]

it's weird because srg320 is not the kind of person to show something like that off if he wasn't confident it could be completed

this is some flatearther level of truthing

[real rapids]

He's clearly not informed about srg320.

[karmic basin]

Coming into this house, questioning our srg320…

https://tenor.com/view/impressed-heat-al-pacino-vincent-hanna-nod-approvingly-gif-14469317975150394669

[chilly gale]

This is your house, not mine. I am a nobody after all. isn't that right?

The elitest attitude is everything that is wrong with the MiSTer community.

[dire sinew]

My brother in Christ, you have come in here and done nothing but act entitled and annoyed with everyone. Look inside yourself before you start blaming others for shit, my guy

[ionic plank]

wait you’re being serious about this?

[chilly gale]

How to politely tell somebody to F off?

[ionic plank]

You tell them to “fuck off”, but also what are you talking about 💀

[chilly gale]

What came first, JesusFish? The chicken or the egg.

[real rapids]

[chilly gale]

How very dare you outsider, come into this house and question our lord. The elders must be informed.

[ionic plank]

https://tenor.com/view/have-bread-calm-down-gif-19322529

[weak hound]

I feel like there’s missing context here

[chilly gale]

I think that fish guy is refering to the time I was disappointed that after waiting months for the multisystem 2 launch, and placing my preorder 2 minutes in, I was at the back of the queue because there was a secret "me first" order option that was open days before. Yeah i was pissed off.

[lapis minnow]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[weak hound]

Oh I see

Shit from another discord, got it

That being said I hard disagree with negative generalizations about the “mister community”. I can count on one hand the number of true dubs I’ve encountered. Fortunately mister discord does a good job taking out the trash

[karmic basin]

lol. Wow. That’s what you took from my shit post?

Good luck out there 😆

[chilly gale]

I agree it was a shit post. Have a nice evening.

[karmic basin]

I’m excited: I’m a somebody now! Quick: @weak hound - witness me! I’m a gatekeeper 🤣

[dire sinew]

I knew you had it in you

[weak hound]

#justiceForTim

[karmic basin]

Thanks. Now get out of here. I’m gatekeeping

[dire sinew]

https://tenor.com/bDhJb.gif

[ionic plank]

but if there’s nobody in here there’s nobody to gatekeep

[karmic basin]

3DO! 3DO! 3DO!

[verbal fjord]

#InjusticeForTim

[weak hound]

I bet Stinkor likes 3DO

[karmic basin]

Probably. The demo disc is his favorite game. Tells everyone it’s a hidden gem

[verbal fjord]

I appreciate the severed arm version of this gif

[dire sinew]

honestly, it's my first time seeing it but it's going into the gifs folder

[karmic basin]

Hey: just so we’re clear, I have ZERO pull around here. I’m definitely not in any secret MiSTer club, and all are welcome in 3DO land.

I’m sorry that my Pacino gif hit wrong @chilly gale . I know there are pockets of people here that can be pretty mean. I meant no offense to you. I was just adding silly levity.

We trust our guy srg320 though. If he says the 3DO is happening, it is. He surprise dropped a demo video on us out of nowhere. The Saturn core is humming along, and he’s been updating his other cores as well. Just need to be patient. It’s all passion projects.

[real rapids]

Basically, just never assume that a core isn't happening because a platform wasn't super popular. Core developers work on what they want to work on. If it was only a popularity contest, we wouldn't have Jaguar, CD-i, Super Cassette Vision, Atari 7200, etc, etc.

[ionic plank]

You mean to say zaparoo isn’t secretly pulling the strings for sorg??! Damn

[karmic basin]

Shhhh… don’t tattle on Big Zap

[chilly gale]

I'm tempted to ask why my Zaparoo doesn't work without being regarded as 'entitled' again.

[ionic plank]

damn dude he even apologized to you directly

[karmic basin]

Whew. Cold. I see now all your problems are self-inflicted

May you have the day you deserve

[chilly gale]

what is that bike cartoon? you will have to explain it to one of the plebs such as myself.

[dire sinew]

Robby when he gets off work

https://tenor.com/zEsf.gif

[verbal fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/in-pain-ouch-dumb-kids-pain-gif-14445724

[sharp pendant]

Everybody cool it. We don't do nonsense drama here.

[visual sonnet]

I'm thankful for not remotely giving a shit about what the fish guy has to say. Christ.

Only person on discord I've ever blocked.

[timid mason]

you're right. We're just bad people here. I'll spare you having to deal with us.

https://tenor.com/view/arma-mulher-blow-smoke-gun-gif-16686965

[real rapids]

Okay people, it's been a while since we did first core build drop predictions. I shall stake my claim on December 1st! Bank on it!
💪

[gaunt imp]

October 31st for a system with a ghostly list of exclusives

[real rapids]

We testing Escape from Monster Manor on Halloween!?

[dire sinew]

I would bet we are less than 6 weeks away

[sharp pendant]

Did he ever drop a first release with no, or very broken, sound?

[real rapids]

I remember early Saturn builds having a lot of audio issues.

Testing early core builds has always been some of the most fun I've had on my MiSTer.

[sharp pendant]

I guess with there being the issue with the sound chip, and whatever the issue was for the slow down, he wants to get those in a good shape before dropping and getting a load of bugs reported for them

I actually have high hopes that it will drop in a really solid state and won't have many issues, which may be resolved fairly quickly

I don't see this being like Saturn where we are constantly 95% plus there for months, edging closer but never getting there

[fossil sorrel]

The Saturn core is tantric

Is what your saying

[sharp pendant]

Yes, it is both Sting and your mother's favourite core.

[fossil sorrel]

Well I for one am fully satisfied 😌

[sharp pendant]

-that wasn't me being negative and dismissive in anyway about srg320 and the last few months, incase anyone thinks I am, I get why it is taking so long to do these final steps and get it accurate. The guy is an absolute hero.

[fossil sorrel]

No no of course not

[sharp pendant]

I am cautiously optimistic that 3DO won't be as painful to get 100% over the line as Saturn as been is my point

[fossil sorrel]

Yes makes sense

[ionic plank]

The 3DO’s CPU was pretty bog standard ARM so really it’s a matter of getting the graphics and sound chips figured out

I would imagine

[sharp pendant]

The system is no joke, and he is about the only dev who works on consoles who could pull it off, but he has just pulled off Saturn which is ridiculously complex

[fossil sorrel]

The core is incredible

A miracle

[karmic basin]

2 games playable by Christmas 😆

(callback for the old folks)

[signal herald]

Impossible, quest 64 wasn’t ported to the 3do

[fossil sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

[signal herald]

Did the 3do get a port of Williams classics?

[dire sinew]

M E G A R A C E

[sharp pendant]

The library also isn't as big, although it is still like 246 games, according to Wiki to check. There aren't a load of exotic add ons and peripherals as well, so less there

[dire sinew]

the 3DO was the exotic peripheral tbh

[marble jetty]

3DO is cool

[dire sinew]

ure cool

[marble jetty]

thank you, you too

[marble jetty]

lol I just got caught up, holy shit

[karmic basin]

Life 3DO comes at you fast

[marble jetty]

I hesitate on saying this because it might set the wrong expectations but I fully expect that srg320 has been working on the 3DO since his first reveal and it's gonna be a doozy of a core drop when he makes it public

[karmic basin]

should I quote you in this email to Time Extension?

[marble jetty]

I don't know the guy but we did randomly get Battletoads arcade out of nowhere lol

[marble jetty]

GODOOODDOD NOWOOOOOO

[karmic basin]

“An anonymous MiSTer Discord mod that loves trains and flexing his muscles says…”

They’ll never know who I mean

[dire sinew]

dissemination through obfuscation

https://tenor.com/bgt2J.gif

[karmic basin]

Literally could be anyone

[marble jetty]

wtf this shit is on here as an emoji, this entire time I thought it was someone's personal server or something

lmao nooooooooooooo

[karmic basin]

Beware the Streisand Effect

[marble jetty]

I've long accepted I've lost control over everything

I just accept it

To bring us back on-topic, here's the list of 3DO games I have at the ready and CHD'd up on my MiSTer:

EUROPE

SnowJob
Starblade
Syndicate
Theme Park
True Golf Classics - Pebble Beach Golf Links```

**__JAPAN__**
```AutoBahn Tokio
Battle Pinball
Belzerion
Insector War
Pretty Soldier SailorMoon S
Ultraman Powered
Yu Yu Hakusho```

**__LIGHT-GUN__**
```Corpse Killer
Demolition Man
Last Bounty Hunter, The
Shootout at Old Tucson (Arcade)
Space Pirates```

**__PATCHED__**
```Battle Blues (Translated)
Belzerion (Translated)
Doctor Hauzer (Translated)
Oyaji Hunter Mahjong (Translated)```

**__USA__**
```Alone in the Dark
Alone in the Dark 2
BattleSport
Blade Force
Captain Quazar
Crash 'n Burn
CyberDillo
Escape from Monster Manor
Gex
Gridders
Guardian War
Horde, The
Immercenary - Combat in a Digital World
Incredible Machine, The
Iron Angel of the Apocalypse - The Return
Killing Time
Life Stage, The - Virtual House
Lost Eden
Lucienne's Quest
NeuroDancer - Journey into the Neuronet!
Off-World Interceptor
PaTaank
PO'ed
Quarantine
Return Fire
Road & Track Presents - The Need for Speed
Road Rash
Seal of the Pharaoh
Shockwave 2 - Beyond the Gate
Slayer
Space Hulk - Vengeance of the Blood Angels
Star Control II
Star Fighter
Strahl
Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Super Wing Commander
Total Eclipse
Virtuoso
Way of the Warrior
Wolfenstein 3D```

[dire sinew]

please put your cyberdillo away, there are children here

[marble jetty]

If there's anything inappropriate there I plead not-guilty. I just read best-of lists and get translations. I haven't played any of them.

[ionic plank]

Um you literally forgot the most important one: Plumbers Don’t Wear Ties

[marble jetty]

LOL NO HELL NO

I'm not playing that!

[real rapids]

lol, I love how what you thought it was might actually be worse than the reality. My personal Discord server ||which doesn't actually exist|| is just Robby emojis.

[sharp pendant]

Robby banking on CHD being enabled off the bat and not having to wait for it going into Main...

Fortune favours the bold...

[digital zodiac]

Robby is the penultimate boy scout

[marble jetty]

my Jaguar gamble didn't work if you were curious lolol

TO CDI I WENT, SHAMED AND BEATEN

[karmic basin]

ESPN Step Aerobics

Add it

Also Star Wars Rebel Assault if you’ve not played it on the PC. Incredibly impressive game for the time.

[signal herald]

Your favorite rock paper scissors game is on the 3do, too!

Also, interesting that snow job is at the top of your list.

[sharp pendant]

Checking again about peripherals, 3DO had:
Lightgun
Mouse
Steering wheel

[marble jetty]

hell yeah all the bare necessities

[sharp pendant]

There is also this that I don't know if it would need to support, does it just let you have more save files?

The Panasonic FZ-EM256 is a 256 KB Expandable Memory Unit that plugs into the 3DO expansion port on the back of the console. It was released in 1994 and sold in Japan only.

[karmic basin]

CH also made a flight stick. I have one. It’s lovely.

[sharp pendant]

This just for more saves @covert wagon ?

[sharp pendant]

Did not know about this, looks nice

I can't remember if SNAC would be possible on 3DO or not

[karmic basin]

There’s also an external MPEG decoder for VCDs, but let’s not open that can of worms 😆

[sharp pendant]

Ah yeah, and also there is a Karaoke thing

[marble jetty]

…… what’s it called?

[sharp pendant]

3DO can play CD+G, and Photo CDs, but it doesn't play all flavours of Photo CD

And audio CDs obviously

[karmic basin]

All has been documented in the sacred scrolls https://archive3do.com/vcd-modules/

[marble jetty]

DVM DVM DVM

DVC = old n busted
DVM = new hotness

[sharp pendant]

Because of the weird way you daisy chain controllers to have multiple players I think you can have a lot of players playing some games

Ah, up to 4

Apparently

[marble jetty]

Controllers come with a audio jack too

Unknown if SNAC can support it though

[sharp pendant]

Just for audio out?

[marble jetty]

Yes I think so

[karmic basin]

Yeah. Line level to the controller that has a tiny headphone amp

[real rapids]

I'm curious how or if multiple players will need to be handled differently on the 3DO core. Since there was only one port on the console and you needed to chain the controllers together.

I had 4 controllers back in the day!

[sharp pendant]

I was wondering the same

It could wind up being weirdly complex to support compared with other cores for him, but maybe not

[marble jetty]

I wonder if there’s any lag as the fourth player even if unnoticeable

[sharp pendant]

Good question

[real rapids]

I could have swore it supported up to 8 players. I must be misremembering it.

[karmic basin]

We’d need to find 4 people who want to play 3DO.

Impossible.

[marble jetty]

I am 100% down

[sharp pendant]

I thought the same, maybe it does, @covert wagon can confirm when he is next around

[karmic basin]

Was Twisted 6 player?

[real rapids]

I thought I remember FIFA specifically supporting 8 players.

[marble jetty]

The Perfect General?

[karmic basin]

Come on up! My FZ-10 is already hooked up.

[marble jetty]

Is that a euphemism?

[sharp pendant]

Yeah, Google AI giving me bullshit again. It said max was 4 players, now saying FIFA was 6

[karmic basin]

Ye… no

[marble jetty]

LOL

[sharp pendant]

What is the max on MiSTer?

[marble jetty]

I found some Reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/3DO/comments/m6bsg2/3_player_3do_games/

I have a controller ready for SNAC

[real rapids]

You just opened pandora's box! Robby will be showing up at your house at random times now peaking in through the windows!

[karmic basin]

You act like I don’t want this

[sharp pendant]

Perfect General supports 8 according to that Reddit post

Does MiSTer support 8? I know there is a hard cap

[real rapids]

Just confirmed that FIFA supports 6 players.

https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Panasonic_3DO/manual/Formated/FIFA_International_Soccer_-_1994_-_Electronic_Arts.pdf

In the game's manual.

Twisted is 4 players.

[signal herald]

I don’t think it supports more than 4- same conversation came up with Saturn bomberman, although snac on the Saturn can potentially increase that number?

Wiki says 6: https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/basics/input/

[real rapids]

I love this controller illustration in the Twisted manual.

A perfect recreation if there ever was one!

[timid mason]

i'd accuse that of being mspaint if it weren't for the slight curvature of the shoulder buttons and the intricate shading of the uhhh.. dpad?

[fossil sorrel]

No CPU Bach 😢

[real rapids]

Given the time frame, my guess would be it was probably drawn using the basic tools in QuarkXPress.

Actually scratch that. With the white box around it, it was likely drawn in a different program and then placed into Quark.

[empty valley]

There’s a hard cap at 6. I begged Sorg to increase it to 8 since we got the PSX core and hopefully 12 one day for the Saturn core, but he wouldn’t budge

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/issues/465

I get it though bc increasing the player count increases the logic resources and we already have so many cores pushing the limit now (N64, Saturn, PS1)

[covert wagon]

Yep just more save space

[marble jetty]

Ok, I’m missing Pkbets don’t wear ties and cpu back

[fossil sorrel]

Seriously tho it's a great list. Thanks for posting it, I've used a few of your lists as a starting point. Very handy!

[marble jetty]

Thank you, also if there’s any weird shit on there I plead in nice car.

Innocence

[karmic basin]

Stroke victim Robby sure is funny

[signal mango]

Hot take: jake lloyd is the superior aniken

[fossil sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-no-noooo-gif-7347380959994097336

[signal mango]

[fossil sorrel]

Speaking of star wars, I can't wait to play Super Wing Commander.

[karmic basin]

Sir: this is an Amiga forum

[signal mango]

Always has been

Always will be

[covert wagon]

@marble jetty is well known for stroking in Texas

[paper totem]

I own one of those.

[dense remnant]

The Phantom Menace is the only Star Wars movie I consistently don't watch when watching the entire saga.
It offers nothing of relevance.
'Machete Order' FTW.

[signal mango]

Machete order assumes the Disney movies are good

|| i haven't actually seen those ||

[dense remnant]

Machete order doesn't include Disney movies.

...at least not when it was first popularized.
Episodes 4 and 5, then 2 and 3 for a Darth Vader origin flashback, then wrap it up with 6. Completely skip 1.
My personal order includes starting with Rogue One though.

[signal mango]

that list still assumes episodes 2-6 are good

[frank flicker]

That is wrong - I put the entire 3DO library on an USB stick for the 3DO emu on the Rasberry Pi 5 on Retropie = it's 396 games in total. US, Korea & Japan releases (there were no Europe exklusive releases)

[distant grove]

Striker was a European exclusive

[frank flicker]

No it was not = it was released as World Cup Special in Japan.

[distant grove]

Ah I see. Good catch

3do titles between the Japanese and other releases get entire rebrandings almost. Get hard to keep up with

[tribal sandal]

So are there any 3DO games that are pal optimised? or were they all made for 60hz and played slower on pal machines?

[fossil sorrel]

Sometimes the back of the box would have a little disclaimer about screen ratio in pal systems

Which I think means it was the same disc just running in 50hz

I just found a reddit thread where someone says Wolfenstein has a pal only version

A few others but he doesn't mention which games

[distant grove]

Wolf3d, way of the warrior, and probably vr stalker plus some.

[distant grove]

Typically the 3do will just display the 320*240 screen letter boxed through pal hz

[real rapids]

That really hertz.

[karmic basin]

VGHF knows what’s up. All my badgering them about Gex is paying off.

[ionic plank]

Anyone know anything about this particular 3DO ODE? Seems like it’s the only one readily availability currently https://ebay.us/m/ANmiph

[dire sinew]

SRG fixed the SNES core….you know what that means

MegaCD rewrite incoming

[low spoke]

I actually just bought this exact one about a week ago, installed in a japanese FZ-1 with no issues and everything seems to be working as intended

[low spoke]

Also as a bit of advice, there is a shortcoming where it will only sort files in the order copied, instead of alphabetical. If you would like an alphabetical sort, use this: https://www.compulsivecode.com/Project_CopyInOrder.aspx

[ionic plank]

Good to know! i kind of expect weird things like that on what i presume is a clone product

[cunning drift]

fatsort on Linux.

[proper sparrow]

and that means?

[paper totem]

Nah clearly it'll be the 68040 amiga/mac core next

[hardy sapphire]

Hello friends of the 3DO.

Fellow 3DO lover here... however, I smelled a little 'cat piss' the other day when I turned it on. I ordered caps from Console 5 and am planning to do a recap but my soldering skills are junior.

[lapis minnow]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[hardy sapphire]

I know this is a MiSTer focused chat, but figured some of you here might own a 3DO and have already done a recap.

Is there anything I should know about or worry about before proceeding? I really don't wanna mess this one up!

[sharp pendant]

I did the PSU caps on mine as it was having issues playing things, that ultimately it fixed which was great news. I didn't do the rest of the board. I will say it was more painful that I thought getting the old caps off, having done a few recaps on other systems.

I would start with the PSU as that seems to be where problems are most common.

[hardy sapphire]

What was difficult about it or different?

[sharp pendant]

I remember getting the solder off the caps and getting them cleanly out the board was hard. I think they are closely packed in. Was a few years. But, after several attempts I did manage to do it.

[gaunt imp]

I've never recapped a 3DO, but I do a lot of solder work on other electronics. Right now I'm doing all of my Voodoo graphics cards and some sound cards.

I can say that equipment matters

Have a good iron, good solder and good flux. A desolder pump is expensive but a necessity (in my opinion)

If you really care about your 3DO and you're not very experienced I would practice on some junk PCBs.

Things like large ground planes can really be a burden, especially if you don't have the right technique and equipment.

I could keep going, but sometimes it's best to send it off to a pro if you really care about it or you have accepted you might ruin it then proceed.

[hardy sapphire]

Cool. This is so true. My skills got a bit better magically after getting a heat adjustable soldering iron

But I still feel not super confident

I’ll practice on a few boards for sure

[ionic plank]

Anyone else catch this part in the Nintendo Direct earlier? 🤯🤯🤯

Apparently the only way to play it though is if you buy the $100 Trip Hawkins mask Nintendo is selling 😢

[real rapids]

Hey, I can only handle so much excitement in one day.

[gaunt imp]

Do they have $25 paper version of the Trip Hawkins mask?

[sinful shadow]

Back in my day we got paper Trip Hawkins masks for free in magazines

[wheat talon]

I think I just got randomly served your xenoblade video on YouTube 😂, you have pleased the algorithm!

[real rapids]

💪

You hear that @covert wagon ? Xenoblade and soap operas are the new algorithm!

[covert wagon]

Haha not my cup of tea

[signal mango]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Efx5er8OqtA?si=pPAiJh7MMlceK2B9

@real rapids there is a video of a guy narrating over your video clip!

[real rapids]

I love how he largely plagiarized Gonintendo's write up of the story. 🤣

[signal mango]

Haha i didn't see that

Link plz

[real rapids]

I'll post it in the Nintendo thread to keep things on topic here.

[ivory spoke]

All I want for Thanksgiving is a 3DO core. 😢

[ionic plank]

one game playable by thanksgiving

[ivory spoke]

Anything more seems unreal.

But if it's just one game it's got to be Twisted.

[real rapids]

Crash'n Burn or bust!

[ashen lark]

You have to daisy chain two Switches together by usb c for multiplayer

[real rapids]

Amusingly, you could actually daisy chain Switch Pro Controllers together with USB-C cables.

[weak hound]

Because taking control of 3DO would be as useful as taking control of the shoe repair place in my town

Actually shoe repair place probably has more customers and definitely has better games

[ionic plank]

https://tenor.com/view/takethatback-sheldon-the-big-bang-theory-take-that-gif-13558244851578345174

[distant grove]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-people-gay-pride-gay-couple-gif-106372362979445129

[weak hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-my-shoe-michelle-khare-removing-dirt-brush-off-gif-15499886852178965362

[karmic basin]

She seems happy

[weak hound]

See, it’s more than anyone has smiled at Gex 😉

[karmic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/my-house-you-come-into-my-house-come-into-my-house-james-franco-stephen-colbert-gif-12038467

[real rapids]

Dis just got R•E•A•L.

[weary rain]

Yes I have

Use a good desoldering gun to take out the throughhole caps

At least use a solder sucker with the solder nice and melted

Is this core still being worked on BTW?

[ionic plank]

Presumably

When there’s something more to show srg will show something

[weary rain]

If I like the MiSTER enough after getting everything setup, I'll probably consider selling off my retro console collection, besides the stuff that isn't compatible with it

[gaunt imp]

We’ve all said that. lol

The consoles stay or you buy them again a year later after selling them.

You will absolutely like the Mister enough though. It’ll be your number 1 retro gaming console.

[marble jetty]

I’ve kept all my retro consoles but I haven’t touched them in literal years

[gaunt imp]

Same. Only one I break out now and then is the tower of power because it’s so rad.

[fossil sorrel]

With the announcement of each new core a sword of Democles appears above the relevant real life console.

Sword of Democles!!!

[grim goblet]

They're getting starved for attention, please go give them a hug and a pat on their ports so they know they haven't been forgotten.

[spring briar]

There is an uncanny valley effect with the MiSTer for a certain kind of user. If you care enough about accuracy to not just get a Raspberry Pi and call it a day, you might also find yourself bumping up against corner cases or minor incompatibilities with some of the newer or more advanced cores vs real hardware. The only 32bit console my MiSTer replaces is the PSX, because building a PSX is a little harder and more expensive than I’d like at the moment. For 24bit stuff and below and arcade cores, it’s the best way to play in my opinion.

It’s completely incredible that it can play stuff in the 32bit era at all, let alone at the level of accuracy that exceeds software emulation (Saturn)

But if you already have hardware you’ll keep it, I suspect.

But the hardware won’t last forever and there’s a much greater chance this project will. At least I hope it does, it’s such a wonderful project that so many insanely smart people have contributed to.

[weary rain]

maybe i should just box them back up and save for a rainy day sometime

[marble jetty]

Hah that’s true

[marble jetty]

I’ve got over 500 PS1 games and all the rare titles and I still just play on my MiSTer lol

I am casual emulator fan tho

[spring briar]

Def didn’t mean to imply that most people would get brain itch about MiSTer cores, but MiSTer taught me that once I am teased with the idea of full compatibility and very accurate emulation I get really greedy.

“What do you mean I can’t play this obscure Japanese game I can’t even read without Google Translate without minor menu flickering??!”

It’s a curse

I think MiSTer is actually helping me get over it. The PSX core is so good.

[marble jetty]

Honestly, it’s thanks to people like you that our cores are as accurate as they are. So thank you for being hardcore about it.

[real rapids]

So you're saying that they are a core part of the coremunity?

[marble jetty]

It’s thanks to this community I realized I’m super casual about emulation lol.

[gaunt imp]

Casual emulation? He’s about to talk about Ras Pi.

[marble jetty]

someone said Pi, I’m here

[cobalt zephyr]

Core core when?

[distant grove]

Mister core for the Mister II

[weary rain]

I will be very excited when that happens

[fossil sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-leonardo-meditate-meditation-relax-gif-4770145

[real rapids]

I love me some 3DO.

[signal mango]

I don't love 3do

But i will

[real rapids]

You were supposed to pull a Robby and say:

I don't love 3DO.

(2 hours later)

I worship 3DO!!

[signal mango]

I don't like his jokes

[signal herald]

https://tenor.com/view/tough-crowd-comedian-fix-tie-rodney-dangerfield-gif-3128092315046105334

[signal mango]

I love them!

[signal herald]

🤦‍♂️

[real rapids]

Robby would be proud.

[marble jetty]

I am always proud, because we are MiSTer fans, and MiSTer fans are always winning

[weary rain]

I wonder if the 3DO core is gonna get shock-dropped one day

I just need an excuse to sell my 3DO tbh lol

I believe in u SRG

[visual sonnet]

Getting a RetroGem installed in my FZ-1 in the meantime

[obsidian pine]

Let me know how it goes. I’ve been debating it. Seems like overkill with how well the enhanced S-Video works on the RT4k, but it would be nice to not have to mess with the 240p switch ever again.

[visual sonnet]

Yeah that was my thought as well

[ionic plank]

I thought my FZ-1 looks great over S-video on the tink4k

The detinterlacing on that thing is witchcraft

Obv it’s not as sharp as 240p, but as a crt filter user I see that as a “plus” 😉

[visual sonnet]

I'm gonna have to hook my other one up tonight with s video on my tink and see how it looks. I have the ce model but I'm sure it'll look good enough

[ionic plank]

Oh yeah that’s fair, I use a pro. I think the ce only has basic deinterlacing

[visual sonnet]

I saw a YouTube video comparing the difference on deinterlacing. The Pro is better for sure, but I'll be more than content with how the CE handles it

The screen isn't wobbling all over the place so it's still a win lol

[weary rain]

I have a CE with my 3DO hooked up via s-video

It looks fine but not “near-RGB” quality as said for the Pro

IIRC it’s the same deinterlacing as the 5X or a little bit better

so the picture still looks good

[visual sonnet]

Works for me for now

[signal mango]

I haven't seen framemeister references since rt5x came out

[weary rain]

I RGB-modded my N64 😄

[visual sonnet]

An RGB modded N64 with hd retro vision cables looks really damn good