Mister Pi Users

[slow skiff]

Unstable isn’t in Update_all right?

So I’ll need to dig into the unstable nightly channel? Sorry noobtacular noob here

The bottom one… right?

Oh it’s literally just a drop in file… don’t have to play with repositories and stuff… ok I think it’s making sense, thanks

[cinder crane]

The Atari Jaguar core loading anything at all is a miracle. If it’s not working for you then just wait until a more stable build is released on the future.

[woven cypress]

PSX_shift240 is a build of the PSX core that some people recommend to fix audio distortion with the new 9.2 IO Boards

I have this problem, and while it fixed most sound issues, it also had stability issues, freezing in ff7/ff8, weird audio issues in Wild Arms

I'm testing PSX_shift180 now instead, and it seems much better

though I'm curious if this is something that has to be baked into the core, or could it be supplied with an ini file somehow

[slow skiff]

Hmm will need to drop in wild arm to see, I’m familiar enough with the game’s sounds… is that visible (I mean hearable) on the opening cinematic?

[woven cypress]

it's not on every track, my test was to load the game and go out to the overworld, which was almost always messed up

it's not distorted like most games on the unshifted core though, almost like samples are playing at the wrong time, or in the wrong key, kind of fun in a way

one easy to reproduce problem in the 240shift version was in FF8, go to the learn menu for a GF, the game froze consistently for me

[slow skiff]

I can’t seem to find the core to reinstall it…

[woven cypress]

I'm not sure where they are available other than in the #1046940919607345272 channel, one sec

#1046940919607345272 message

scroll down a bit for a few others, not sure where I found 180

do you have distorted audio through analog out on the IO board though? if not, you likely don't need this at all

#1046940919607345272 message has the 180shift that is working well for me

[slow skiff]

Thx

[slow skiff]

I am not home yet to try it out

[cinder crane]

I think it’s some weird issue specific to the Mister Pi stuff?

[slow skiff]

Hey, does it have to be Taiwan or something?

Been using the knob I had lying around for a bit, but the antenna version came in today

[faint imp]

That freq list is incomplete

Lemme paste the real deal here

TW is just what was there already

freq_list=2412 2417 2422 2427 2432 2437 2442 2447 2452 2457 2462

[slow skiff]

Makes sense, guess it really doesn't matter all that much... reminds me of putting custom firmware on the old Linksys routers and just select random countries lol

[faint imp]

Ideally you should have your 2.4g and 5g WiFis with different names

The freq list above is just for when you have them using the same name

Which is my case

[slow skiff]

NEVAHHHH

[faint imp]

Otherwise you just configure it to your 2.4g ssid

[slow skiff]

It’s not doing well with your 5G? Intermittent?

I have a cheap knob from TP link lying around, but due to the placement of the Mister, the connection on the Bluetooth is spotty, so antenna would be a better option I think

[slow skiff]

I wonder if it’ll be ok if I just did nothing lol

Like what’s your 5G symptoms?

[faint imp]

Basically “internet unavailable” on any update scripts

Could still ssh to it though

[slow skiff]

Weird

[faint imp]

I’m just glad it works fine with 2.4g so that’s still the best BT dongle I could find so far haha

[slow skiff]

Let me test it in 10min, got to pull the card and put some stuff in it first

Wanted to test the Saturn core and the psx core, just got home, might as well just do all the testing together

Anyone know if old Nero image nrg files are supported on Mister?

I can convert it to MDX, but I still donno if that's supported lol

[patent knoll]

I do not think so. bin cue and CHD are supported by most cores

[slow skiff]

Some of my old Saturn games are archived with NRG lol

Let me try to convert it to ISO and THEN recompressed to CHD lol

[faint dune]

Bin/cue or chd are the only supported cd formats on mister

[patent knoll]

There are many Saturn games that need to be multi file bin cue in order to work properly. CHD compatibility also depends on your CHD compression level

[slow skiff]

I see, I usually just select and click on "convert" using namDHC lol

[patent knoll]

I use CHDMAN and so far the default settings have worked fine

[slow skiff]

Any update? I just ran update.sh and it seems fine

But good to know if it messes up I still have options to change the ini

[slow skiff]

namDHC is just gui’d front end for it anyways

[faint imp]

Just leave it then!

Nice to know you had no issues

[slow skiff]

Sorry to bug you lol..

[slow skiff]

Yeah so far seems perfectly fine… i wonder if just need to turn on and off again (sorry that was a bad joke)

[slow skiff]

Feels like it sounds… fine?

[faint imp]

Is that HDMI sound?

HDMI is not affected

Only affects analog audio output (non-optical)

[slow skiff]

Oh ah…

Let me put a headphone in and check

Hmm sounds ok, sorry it sounds a bit blown out trying to record headphone onto phone… I wonder if it’s fixed on Batch 2?

[faint imp]

It’s unfixable

And it doesn’t affect every setup

[slow skiff]

Oh

[slow skiff]

Whaaaaaa?

[faint imp]

What makes the fix even harder

[slow skiff]

I see

[faint imp]

Did you check the sound with the regular PSX core or just the shifted?

Try the regular core with Parasite Eve opening scene

[slow skiff]

Regular, haven’t tried shifter if it works

[faint imp]

Ok

[slow skiff]

Wife forcing me to dinner, let me check that in 30min

I need to finally beat the chrysler building anyways eventually

[faint imp]

You better obey her haha

[slow skiff]

Yes, I can text but if I’m not physically at dinner table then…

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-gif-22919457

[slow skiff]

Opening scenes of PE is... after the cinematic right?

I'm in watching the opera, and it sounds... fine

[faint imp]

You’re the lucky one on the silicon lottery

Make sure you try some sega cd games as well

[dull gull]

I lost that lottery but the dac worked well

[slow skiff]

Ok sega CD... let's try that out

[slow skiff]

HDMI is totally fine normally regardless right?

[dull gull]

As far as I know yeah. I got mine to play on my CRT so I had to do something about it lol

[slow skiff]

One of those HDMI audio extractor things?

I used to use one for Cheap DIY 5.1 surround

[dull gull]

The dac plugs into the analog audio out via mini toslink

[slow skiff]

Oh the Tos converter, oh yeah this this has optical out

It's the same optical out as the old MacBooks

[dull gull]

Yeah, it's a neat backup option

[slow skiff]

Man I had forgotten how bad the terminator game was, and how great the soundtrack was lol

[slow skiff]

@faint imp Hmm, the signal distance is SO much better with the antenna... I can even play it from the couch now lol

[woven cypress]

here is wild arms on the 240shift core for me (180shift sounds perfect)

not really distorted, just, weird

[left beacon]

Hey, I appologize if this has been brought up before but I've spent probably the last 2-3 hours looking for answers here and on the documentation regarding Keyboards.

I setup last night and the keyboard was working fine. This morning I bought a TPlink WiFi AC600 and plugged it in today and now none of my Keyboards are responding.

I redid the instructions to load up the SD card per the instructions on the Firmware/Setup oage from retroremake.co.

I swapped plugging the USBc cable from my PSU front power outlet to a 5v 2A USB and swapped USB cables because another post advised to make sure the power was sufficient.

I also disconnected the Wifi dongle and no go and now I'm on my third keyboard solution and it's still not responding.

Any suggestions?

[faint dune]

are you using an inline switch for power?

[left beacon]

No, it's plugged directly into a surge protector that is plugged directly into my wall.

[faint dune]

what ports are you plugging the keyboard into?

[left beacon]

It's plugged into the MiSTer Pi directly. I get the same response if I plug it into the MiSTer USB Hub

[faint dune]

can you show me which ports?

there are 3 usb ports on the mister pi that won't work with a keyboard. 2 are power only and one is the bridge port (it is deactivated when you use the usb hub)

the two ports on the side with the HDMI port are power only

the port that is on the same level as the ethernet port is the bridge port

[left beacon]

I was plugging it into the USB next to the Ethernet

and i think i've switched that WiFi dongle too and plugged the keyboard into that port

[faint dune]

ok, so plugged into that port right there, it doesn't work

is that right?

[sharp pulsar]

No green light illuminated on that port. Is the usb hub connected?

[tough stirrup]

I know issues with the batrider/raizing core are common but just reporting in that batrider and i believe garegga straight up don't run for me and cause some sort of lock up that requires a reset

[patent knoll]

They never got a 24 bit color update, so they will not work with the MiSTer Pi analog IO board.

[cinder crane]

Yeah, that core is unofficial and built out of spec so it doesn’t run for a ton of people. It’s a known issue and unfortunately we don’t know if they’ll be fixed if at all. Best solution is just to play those games on the Saturn core.

[tough stirrup]

I don't think batrider has any home ports

[cinder crane]

You’re probably right! I was thinking of Kingdom Grandprix?

[faint dune]

Unless something drastically changes in the next 34 hours, it likely will get updated

[tough stirrup]

Yup. Very unfortunate

Oh nice

[cinder crane]

HOOORAY

I’m getting Deja vu

[dire merlin]

HOORJ

[cinder crane]

We’ve had this conversation in the past haven’t we

[faint dune]

We have. But I think it’s actually happening this time 🙂

[cinder crane]

Oops sorry

[faint dune]

No no, this is a recent development

[cinder crane]

That is awesome

It’s a great core!

[faint dune]

If that is what they end up doing in q1, they are planning on adding the missing games too

[cinder crane]

Woah, what are the missing cores?

[faint dune]

No idea. I think they are on the toaplan side?

[dire merlin]

stuff like batsugun, Doggyun etc

(although the Saturn port of Batsugun is pretty good if you want to play it now)

hopefully the 'rework' does some heavy lifting and a lot of the kinda subtle issues get fixed in the process

like garegga has too much input delay and there's something not quite right with some cpu wait states/timing or something

[cinder crane]

What about the cringe intro edited into the Zakk mra, will that get fixed?

[dire merlin]

I'm going to improve it to show a picture of my feet

I'm still waiting for that rom to get 'discovered' in the wild and added to mame as a clone

[viral perch]

Just got a Mister PI and a second rom module. To install it, do I need to change any keys on DE-10 clone board as I need to do with the original DE-10 nano?

[faint dune]

not as long as you're still using the 9.2 io board (without the mezzanine)

[viral perch]

I will not use it. Using the original De-10 nano I need to turn on a key. Do I need to do the same with Taki’s board to enable dual ram?

[faint dune]

yeah, if you're not using the 9.2 board, you need to flip the switch (the 9.2 board has a framework feature that negates the need for the switch)

switch 3

[faint dune]

We are go for launch

[viral perch]

Sorry for the silly question but wich one is switch 3?

[faint dune]

should be the one on the left there

[viral perch]

This one in yellow?

[faint dune]

nope, one to the left of it

the first switch on the right is switch zero

so it should be 3210 in that pic

[zinc spoke]

Given the silk screen orientation, that ordering is annoying.

[cinder crane]

Great! Thanks for pinging me. 🍻

[vital mica]

So the Neogeo core after the taki install seems to be missing some files. I have been able to track down what I think I need in the game root directory.

000-lo.lo
sfix.sfix
sp-s2.sp1 (MVS)
neo-epo.sp1 (AES)
uni-bios.rom

I found all the files but can't seem to find X I can find neo-epo.sp1 I have found a neo-epo.bin are these the same but for the extension renamed or are they different files entirely?

[faint dune]

in update all, turn on the bios setting

it will grab them

[faint imp]

Here’s the MD5 if that helps b11751ad42879c461d64ad2b7b2b0129 neo-epo.sp1

[vital mica]

Thanks but this is right over my head lol

[faint dune]

Start your mister

Scroll to the left (or hit the menu button) and select SCRIPTS

You’ll get a warning, it’s ok, just hit Yes

Select Update_all from the scripts menu. It will start

When the countdown starts hit UP on your controller

There will be an option for like “optional files” or something. Look for bioses to be mentioned

Once you have that menu open, turn on the bios repository.

Hit ok until you’re back to the main menu. Select save and exit. And then let update all run

[runic pecan]

Will need to dl/copy the update_all script over to your SD card: https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer?tab=readme-ov-file#setup

[faint dune]

I think it's on Taki's card already

(As well as all those various core duplicates but we will cross that bridge when we come to it)

[crude kernel]

Happy new years fellow tinkerer's!

Any fun projects for this new year? I'm excited for my PS2 snac to get here, I'd love to have a fully functional light gun cab before the end of the year, all thanks to mister!

[faint dune]

I was going to build a new gaming PC, but the rumored prices on new video cards can go fuck themselves into the sun

[gentle remnant]

2k f that

love the neo geo core

[crude kernel]

I stopped PC gaming even before covid. We had our first kid in 2018 and I didn't attempt another build until 2022. It was budget and still way more than I wanted to spend 😂

[crude kernel]

PS1 And neo geo are completely worth the price of admission.
Everything else is a bonus

[faint dune]

I got into this to play video games, but now the preservation side kind of excites me more. Like Jotego doing the system 16 core today. I don't know if I care about any of those games, but I'm happy they are being preserved

[crude kernel]

I decided to give myself one last headache before the new year. No troubleshooting needed tonight unless you know a quick fix.

Used a fresh .ini and changed scan doubler for my 31khz arcade monitor. As soon as I plug in the VGA, the Mister shuts off.

I'm guessing there is some voltage that is out of wack. Not sure to be honest. Or I need something entirely different for an arcade monitor. It's a SVGA

[dull gull]

For the record it was not on mine, I had to get it myself

[faint dune]

Ahh ok

[upbeat gyro]

Need retrotink

[faint dune]

Mike just announced a cheaper version

You’re running out of excuses

[crude kernel]

I wish I wasn't worried that my kids would destroy a tv like that.

[dull gull]

Ey nice. We just got a C4

Lol the "cheaper" retrotink. They'll have to try again before they get me

[upbeat gyro]

I had a 65C1 but $1499 for a 77C3 at Best Buy last week was too hard to pass up

[dull gull]

They're really great TVs. I'm still using a CX for my PC

[upbeat gyro]

Oh it’s 100% a concern. My C1 just went to the living room but it’s r/tvtoohigh scum up there above the fireplace so it should be out of her throwing range for now

The basement…. Well…. She will be monitored very close around this lol

A that wall looks like shit in pics wow I guess I should repaint it 🤣, B why does my 77 look like a 42. I need a 100” C5 next year

[dull gull]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-bomb-jeff-gerstmann-bigger-mario-party-gif-25290782

[unreal sonnet]

Does anyone else have audio popping issues on the Mega CD core when listening through the headphone jack on the analog board?

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah

[dull gull]

Yep, I bought the dac to fix it

It's a common issue

[woven cypress]

anecdotally, I've heard turning on the composite blur effect stops the popping?

I get popping also on the GBA core (original de-10 and ram + mister pi ioboard)

[unreal sonnet]

im sure the popping exists as well on a real gba

i've checked

[tardy hornet]

cheaper but still thinking more about the morph 4k lol

[woven cypress]

this popping definitely didn't exist on a real gba, it only happens over analog out

testing turning on composite blur, actually makes the popping more severe

[faint dune]

it’s the 9.2 board

[winged summit]

I suppose it depends a lot on the use case? Retrotink comes with analog inputs, so it is judt plug an play. morph you need to install an expansion board. But if you don’t care about analog inputs, or you care for something that can be implemented in the expansion board i.e. analog output,

[tardy hornet]

true

[high umbra]

I imagine they'll sell a pre-assembled morph4k with the expansion board

[sturdy orchid]

Morphs will be available with analog inputs soon. The analog input cards are being made at our factory, and when they’re done we’ll have a pre-assembled ready to go version for $375.

[cinder crane]

Retro gamers are living the life of luxury with so many amazing products available to extend the life of their favorite games.

Love how inexpensive the Mister Pi and morph4k is. Makes retro gaming more accessible to everyone.

[dire merlin]

retro gaming needs more gatekeeping

we're letting weirdos in now

[upbeat gyro]

I don’t want any analog, I just want to go from mister to oled and look better than it does now

Does the morph do the mister core detection stuff like the retrotink?

[sturdy orchid]

Yes it does

[wary turret]

Why do people find the built in mister scaling so poor?

I’m just a simple tubeman but from what I’ve seen it looks good

[cinder crane]

The built-in Mister scaling is awesome, but upscalers bypass the poor upscaling done by a lot of TVs

I had the exact same question haha

[wary turret]

Yeah I get it’s avoiding the last mile 4k upscaling but is it $750 bad?

[upbeat gyro]

I think the last mile upscaling introduced some input lag on some displays too

[cinder crane]

For some people the investment is worth it. Not for me however, which is why it's nice the morph4k is like $275

it looks really nice with my Gamecube

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I might need a morph

Especially since I only care to use it for mister

[cinder crane]

For complete transparency, the kind people at morph4k gave me my unit. So I'm going to be biased here.

but I blame them for enabling me on modding my GameCube lol

[sturdy orchid]

4K is nice for dialing in full height zoom with really uniform pixels

[upbeat gyro]

I do have a GameCube in the basement…..

Hummmmm.

[cinder crane]

omg noooo

[sturdy orchid]

I like just leaving my mister in direct mode and letting the Morph handle it

[upbeat gyro]

But I also have a Wii U

[cinder crane]

I cannot hide it, I'm so happy with my modded GameCube + morph4k

[upbeat gyro]

Which plays GameCube games lol

[cinder crane]

oh damn that's cool

@wary turret I am proud of you for not shaming us with your superior CRTs

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah Wii U can play GameCube natively but Nintendo never enabled it due to the disc drive not taking the mini discs

[wary turret]

I’m all about including the have nots

The small people

[upbeat gyro]

Good thing the home brew scene took care of that

[cinder crane]

oh shit had no idea

[wary turret]

It’s nice they have a way to sort of enjoy these games

[upbeat gyro]

But I have been considering modding my GC with one of those fancy ODEs they have now

How are you outputting from GC to morph?

[cinder crane]

Yeah it's awesome, I got the flippydrive + retro prism

retro prism connects to the digital output and I connect that to the morph4k with hdmi

[sturdy orchid]

There’s also the GC RetroGEM coming soon 😉

[cinder crane]

oh nice!

[sturdy orchid]

And the Wii RetroGEM, which can use the Wii mote to control the osd

#RP2040

[cinder crane]

your remote also controls my air purifier which is kind of hilarious

[sturdy orchid]

(We used an RPi2040 to decode the Wii usb controller packets)

[wary turret]

Morph4k does seem like a much more reasonable price point for you scaler people. If I upgrade from my OSSC I’d grab an analog morph. And then stick it as one of my matrix switcher outputs that will never get chosen except when weirdos are over with perverse desires like playing on a bigger screen

[upbeat gyro]

Alright I’m sold. Need to cool down from buying this new TV then I’ll get one. 🤣. Don’t wanna end up in the doghouse unless I can take my tv

[civic badge]

What kind of CRTs do you play on???

[wary turret]

Little consumer TVs, big consumer TVs, broadcast monitors, arcade monitors

PC monitor for PC games

I pair monitors to the game like fine wines

“This 1994 Toshiba is an excellent vintage”

[patent knoll]

I keep a 720p plasma just for the PS3 and 360

[civic badge]

Honestly I think the MiSTer scaling and video effects look pretty good. That said, the RT4K + LG C3 + MiSTer combo just looks incredible. The convenience of pushing a button to swap between a JVC D-Series, Sony Trinitron, or pea soup green DMG gameboy screen is really sweet. And the brightness of the OLED, super low latency, and etc makes it like an idealized version of the old CRTs.

You can even dial in misconvergence, etc.

[cloud estuary]

Highly recommend

[civic badge]

That said, I still have my KV-27FS120, KD-34XBR970, two little 9” TV/VCR combos, and a super janky 13” CRT that i feel super nostalgic for because it was the type of TV we had growing up.

[cursive crypt]

The pedal works on PS2?

[cloud estuary]

The pedal literally is a single cherry switch and I just wired up an extra ps360 pcb to the X button

Short answer yes

And then I just stuck a couple layers of the thick adhesive weather strip style foam to the back of those black mounting plates so you just shove it into the front of the cab with your foot and it doesn’t budge

[civic badge]

I wish the Sinden lightguns were better supported on MiSTer. Feels completely community supported but closed source so you cant really ever fix anything…

[cloud estuary]

I still have yet to take the plunge on an HD lightgun other than my GC3s because it seem like they all have just enough of a trade off, and enough die hard fanboys that will tell you “no it’s actually lagless like a crt gun” when… it never seems to be anywhere close to it

[civic badge]

I want to try out the Gun4IRs

[cloud estuary]

So I just keep waiting for a clear victor to emerge and it’s still just a back and forth between Sinden, Gun4ir, aimtrak, and now retro shooters

[civic badge]

Sinden seems promising but very very little dev attention goes toward MiSTer

I sort of regret buying it

[cloud estuary]

Setup on all them seems extremely annoying too. “Oh why are you trying to do it that way just subscribe to this xXSavagelord319Xx’s patreon for 16.99 so you can get access to his discord so you can get access to the secret telegram so you can get access to the latest greatest teknoparrot release where everything is already configured, duh “

Oh wait a week went by and you didn’t update? Time to find the next guys patreon secret handshake

[civic badge]

Lol, I never knew there was a Patreon or a discord

Im on a Sinden discord and you ask a question and months go by without an answer

I actually re-rolled the installer in Python to set the special Sinden cores up with separate configs, MGL files, and custom MiSTer main, so update_all and changing configs in the normal cores would stop breaking things

[cloud estuary]

Basically the best way to set those up is just to download a pre set up build, but to do that you’re quickly in the rom distribution business so everyone gets cagey about it so you’ve gotta figure out the secret handshake on your own to get any decent info because no one will talk about it too publically

[civic badge]

Seems like the PC side is better supported

As far as I can tell, there are like 5 of us out there…Sinden MiSTer users

[cloud estuary]

The mister side of things was a proof of concept that got a little love past that but doesn’t get much attention because I think he generally has bigger fish to fry

And it’s in that annoying closed source requires a fork side of mister that a lot of Dev folks turn their nose up at , and general users often won’t want to deal with the added headache of

[civic badge]

Yeah seems like they are doing a lot of Arcade1Up business

Good for them…but I wish they would open source the MiSTer part

[tardy hornet]

That's kinda what I want it for too lol

[wary turret]

Being open might not help much, the problem with sinden is it’s built for PCs with enough power to do the CV processing and mister doesn’t have cycles to spare for that for cores like PSX. (So you end up with choosing to sacrifice accuracy) Plus the white borders not being appealing. Meanwhile Gun4IR does the work on the gun but then you have to deal with mounting emitters.

I am thinking of busting out my Gun4IRs again though to mess with the Lindbergh loader stuff

[sturdy orchid]

Dumb question: can mister just run it with the sinden pi breakout box and a snac adapter

[crude kernel]

I built 2 and they are awesome. It's just a pain to drag out into the living room. If I had a dedicated setup I would use them more. Accuracy was awesome and the recoil and rumble are excellent.
I built both for under $100 I believe.

[civic badge]

Im not exactly sure, but it looks like it’s developed in dotNet and running in a Mono wrapper…

So you could probably sneeze and optimize the drivers

[wary turret]

Gotcha

There’s some new open source one

Forget the name, but it’s like a 4 point IR system like gun4ir I think

So usual emitter caveats

[crude kernel]

Retro shooter?

[sharp pulsar]

Not open source

[civic badge]

Yeah I saw Blamcon lightguns just got added to unstable mister main

Had to look those up…never even heard of them

[civic badge]

Do you have a recommended build guide??? Reason Ive never tried is the kits look like they are $200+ for DIY

[cursive crypt]

If you do build some, you can use Nerf guns rather than the more expensive (and getting rarer) GunCon2's: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4873187/remixes

[civic badge]

sweet

[crude kernel]

@civic badge if I remember correctly, a pdf is available on the gun4ir site. But it might be only available once you buy the license, I don't remember

https://github.com/gobozgz/GUN4IR/blob/master/Package/JB GUN4IR User Guide v1.2.pdf

If your time is more valuable than money, the diy kit really isn't that bad of a deal. I would at the very least get a premade pcb

[civic badge]

I guess more than anything, Im looking for someone to vouch for Gun4ir being better than Sinden, GC3, Wiimotes, or other options available on the MiSTer

Tired of being underwhelmed. Part of the reason Ive kept the CRTs

[sharp pulsar]

The retroshooter guy was in here wondering about getting his guns working but I don’t think anyone took him up on it

They only track vertically for some reason

[civic badge]

Hmm

[cursive crypt]

I think @prisma fjord did some gun4ir testing?

Maybe he can chime in

[wary turret]

I’ve used Aimtrak, Wiimote, GC3 and Gun4IR (not with mister for any of these). Gun4IR is better by a decent margin than the others but still not as good as native CRT guns. Never tried a Sinden (or even seen one in person at another nerds place)

[prisma fjord]

What’s the question?

[wary turret]

I suspect it would be slightly more laggy given it has to use CV to “see” the borders where the others are more hardware based

[prisma fjord]

Tell them to DM me. I can test and do a tutorial for them / everyone

[cursive crypt]

Gamingdoyle answered above

[prisma fjord]

Ahh yes. GUN4IR is the gold standard. GunCon3 in a close second o

[crude kernel]

I'm hopeful that between PS1 and genesis there are enough gun games on the Mister to scratch my lightgun itch.

There are some great games available on teknoparrot though, so there is definitely a need for a modern solution.

But I agree, I would rather use a crt

[wary turret]

Yeah was saying earlier I might dig the Gun4IRs out for some of that Lindbergh Loader fun. HOTD4 and that fun looking zombie lovers one

[civic badge]

Have you ever tried a Sinden??? Im wondering how it compares with the Gun4IR and Guncon 3?

From my experience, the Sinden works well enough when it does. Its super fiddly and the stock installer scripts tend to step on your other MiSTer configs and break things. And because they didnt bother separating out configs into separate MGL files, separate custom MiSTer main, etc, everytime you run update_all everything breaks.

[prisma fjord]

I’ve used a Sinden but not on MiSTer. I can say it works decently but the white border is just not for me

[civic badge]

But seems to work great on Duck Hunt, Time Crisis, Point Blank, etc. Just a PITA because it requires custom cores, custom mister main, etc.

My biggest gripe is that it is just not well-supported for MiSTer users

Hence the reason Im considering selling and getting an alternative

@prisma fjord I sent you a PM for a video idea. Cheers!!!

[slow skiff]

So, I wasn't really understanding the conversation the last few days, is that a thing about making lightguns work on mister?

Like with modern non-crt?

or am I just completely off the message

[tough stirrup]

Guncon 2 aint even that expensive

[limber token]

No, you understood right

[slow skiff]

Ah, way beyond me at THIS moment, but I guess I'll need to get into it eventually

[cinder crane]

I just bought a pair of GunCon 3s and they work great on every core without any setup quirks or issues.

[wary turret]

There’s one issue: the guns look stupid

[runic pecan]

Has a built in microwave oven tho

[cinder crane]

lol they really do

[cloud estuary]

genesis entries are pretty lackluster, but PS1 is full of bangers and Saturn has a handful of real good ones too

[sharp pulsar]

A lot of modern gun games are pretty boring after the first playthrough, as the only skill involved in beating them is having like $30 in your pocket

Sega Golden Gun and Haunted Museum II are really fun though

Terminator Salvation and Aliens Armageddon are okay. I find Raw Thrills games to be a bit formulaic

[winged summit]

I loved Rescue Mission in SMS, but haven’t touched it in 30 years so not sure if it really was good or just the one I had 😅

[cloud estuary]

the halo fireteam one is possibly the most boring least interesting lightgun game ive ever played

[crude kernel]

I think I have everything I need! I haven't tried my commodore set yet but I believe all I needed to change is composite=1

Scrambled picture but I think I need SOG turned on

[wary turret]

Are you connecting via composite or svideo (well luma/chroma rca jacks I suppose on 1702)

MisterPi doesn’t do good composite natively you’d want a mikeS active adapter ideally

[crude kernel]

I'm trying to do component to luma chroma. I have picture now, but it's in black and white.
I think I missed something in the .ini (I didn't use a fresh, I'll re do this in a bit)

I have a stable picture but it's in black and white

But yes, you were right

I thought I read that the adapter was more for composite.
I wonder if I need to set composite back to 0 and just use sync on green.
But I'm not totally sure

[sharp pulsar]

There’s one other change for svideo

Can’t recall off the top of my head

vga_mode=svideo

[crude kernel]

I might have been reading an old tutorial because they mentioned changing VGA mode to s video and i didn't see that option

[sharp pulsar]

I had to add it

[crude kernel]

Ahhhh, perfect. Just at the very end of the file?

[sharp pulsar]

I popped it up top, doesn’t really matter I think

So vga_mode=svideo, composite sync 1 and sync on green 1

[wary turret]

Yeah just change vga_mode

And that ^

[crude kernel]

Do I need to do anything with menu settings? Or will it apply to everything?

[sharp pulsar]

It’ll apply universally if it’s not under another heading

[wary turret]

What’s the scoop on going vga to separated luma chroma for the 1702?

[crude kernel]

Thanks! I'll give that a go

[wary turret]

Does it happen to align with a vga to 3 rca cable?

[sharp pulsar]

Red and green from vga correspond to Y and C (or C and Y, I forget)

[crude kernel]

This device is so cool for tinkerer's. I have so many random crt's (from proprietary apple, commodore, and medium and high res arcade) . So much fun

[wary turret]

CRT support is the killer feature

[sharp pulsar]

I wired up a simple vga to svideo cable

[wary turret]

And now it either natively or with addons or custom cables can connect to any CRT

Which rules

[sharp pulsar]

Yup. Being able to seamlessly switch between hdmi and CRT setups has been really nice too

[wary turret]

I guess maybe there are exceptions

[sharp pulsar]

Just move the device from room to room without worrying about adapters

[wary turret]

Like digital only rgb

And probably some weird monitors pre prevalent common specs

[crude kernel]

Can fb terminal be set to 1?

I forgot if I changed that before

[wary turret]

But on the whole consumer with any input TVs, pc monitors, pro monitors, arcade monitors

[wary turret]

It can yeah

[crude kernel]

Heck yeah!

Is 2 player possible with something like tapto? I noticed that in order to get into OSD, it wants to read the navigation controller as a dualshock.

[wary turret]

Sorry but what does TapTo have to do with anything?

It just launches cores/games

[winged summit]

Perhaps they were thinking on multi tap?

[cloud estuary]

whenever a new game loads, whenever you press an input on a controller it sets it as the next controller in line

so kinda like gamingdoyle said, not sure how tapto has any relation

[crude kernel]

@cloud estuary I meant that it picks my menu controller for 1 of the 2 controllers and I would like to use 2 guns.
But your saying that as long as I launch the core and pick a game, once I'm in game don't press anything else.
Or I suppose I can just save controller 1 and 2 to the snac

[cloud estuary]

if you set snac to controllers 1 and 2 it will override anything

there's also an option in the menus to 'reassign player number'

and if you do that you can press buttons on (usb) controllers and they'll become P1/2/3/4 based on order pressed

[crude kernel]

Perfect, I think I have P1 and 2 working now. Too bright in my living room right now but time crisis was working great

[limber token]

You could do also core specific commands, like insert coin, etc. Should also work, if the core has an option for 2 players 😁

[crude kernel]

I have another question in regards to video. Do I need to just add the line NTSC=0
Sync is fine on the Mister home as well as the PSX core, but the Saturn core was giving me scrolling

*s-video

[crude kernel]

Nevermind, I needed to adjust VF a hair. PSX wasn't very picky from however I had it adjusted before.

[crude kernel]

Good enough to complete the first training level on point blank 😂

[faint imp]

Any word from Taki on megapacks availability?

Batch 4 wen

[zinc spoke]

Probably not at least until after batch 3 ships

[high umbra]

I am ready for the flagship

maybe it will be my car MiSTer

[wary turret]

First we have to wait for the PSX thing

Then flagship

Finally the meat and potatoes

The handheld

[high umbra]

oh I got lost in the order of things

it was all happening so fast

also, he was going to work on a non-mister fpga console

and that was supposed to be their main thing

oof I need to get a worse memory.

[wary turret]

The PSX console is probably a smart move I guess, he’s probably trying to grab any analogue consumer money he can before they announce or release a PSX thing. Assuming that’s where they go next after N64

[cinder crane]

I have no idea what his roadmap is. Everyone is saying something different.

[high umbra]

yeah I think it makes sense to do PSX stuff. Seems like we are in peak PSX and N64 nostalgia rn

[wary turret]

Yeah that too

[high umbra]

PSX stretches across us olds to the youngsters here

(30 year olds)

[wary turret]

Damn kids

Snot nosed 30 year olds

Probably have to sew their mittens to their jacket so they don’t lose them at recess

[cinder crane]

We’re on the tail end of PS1/N64/SAT nostalgia.

[wary turret]

You think it’s already PS2/XBox?

Or soon

[cinder crane]

No there’s a lot of overlap

PS2 rising quick though

[high umbra]

ohyeah I guess they did make that Duke controller remake

[cinder crane]

GameCube was already big

No one still cares about Xbox : (

[high umbra]

And I did buy this

[wary turret]

Yeah GC got big early with cheap and easy mods

[cinder crane]

NES has been dead for years and years now

SNES/Gen is long forgotten

[wary turret]

Shut yer mouth

[high umbra]

yeah I feel like there are few of us NES fans left

[wary turret]

Thems fightin words

[cinder crane]

We’re starting to hit PS3/360/Wii nostalgia

[high umbra]

Robby has made fun of me so many times for playing 16 bit and under games

[wary turret]

Werrrds

[cinder crane]

Nintendo always leads the nostalgia pack.

[wary turret]

The relentless bullying has to stop

[cinder crane]

Basically it’s 20 year olds with disposable income who controls the interest level for retro consoles

[wary turret]

I figured it was the 30 year olds

They are heading into mid life crisis

[cinder crane]

When they enter the used game buying market, they typically drive up prices due to price ignornce

[wary turret]

Not everyone is happy with where they are at life wise

Yada yada

[cinder crane]

30 year olds know what they’re doing

[high umbra]

yeah I think 20 year olds are busy

[wary turret]

Get some warm fuzzies off simpler times

[high umbra]

they have to make videos and go viral

[wary turret]

Then 40s hoo boy

Desperately scrabbling for comfort as the spectre of death looms

[cinder crane]

You’re both right, but there’s a lot of young kids who quietly buy and consume vast amount of YouTube content

[wary turret]

I mean Death in Castlevania. Gotta beat down that fool

[high umbra]

oh yeah the 20 year olds are the biggest youtube watchers I'm sure

[cinder crane]

They don’t have a lot of income like the 30 year olds but there’s a lot of them and they drive prices up

So it’s not necessarily peak retro

That’s 30+ like you’re saying

[high umbra]

retro for a 20 year old is ps4 and xbone

[wary turret]

Yeah retro enthusiasts versus nostalgia chasers

[cinder crane]

But they enter the used game market and just buy shit at inflated prices because they have have no idea

[wary turret]

Haha. stop it. No

[cinder crane]

So they’re definitely not the core audience, like you said it’s 30

But they’re the arbiter of change

[wary turret]

Mmm yeah fair point

The PS2 shift will come from them

[cinder crane]

PS2 horror is already a locked down genre lol

[wary turret]

By PS4 though it’s just iterative and samey samey, with sequels and reboots galore

[cinder crane]

Good luck buying those games

[wary turret]

Buy old games, you’re funny

[cinder crane]

lol

The N64/PS1 cores hit at a good time, along with the MiSTer Pi

I think we’re just past peak late 90s console interest

So there’s still a huge crowd of retro enthusiasts who grew up with those systems

And a lot of them don’t have a ton of disposable income so the MiSTer Pi is cheap enough to be affordable for people who are into retro gaming and want to be more serious about it

It’s why all the questions recently tend to focus around those two cores

[high umbra]

Im not convinced the mister pi users on here can't afford a de-10 nano but the price was high for something they weren't sure they'd use a lot.

[zinc spoke]

"Afford" is a very loose question

I can afford a lot of things, but that doesn't mean the price point makes sense

The old MiSTer economy didn't make sense, the new one does.

[cinder crane]

Affordability is subjective of course.

[high umbra]

I mean it seems like half of users are buying fancy scalers

[zinc spoke]

I mean, I'm one of those people who had MiSTer on my radar before Taki's board came out, though.

I'm not sure how many people didn't even know it existed until the publicity Taki's board got.

[wary turret]

This discord server did add a couple thousand more members I think

[high umbra]

He's sold 6000-7000 boards?

[zinc spoke]

I mean, I didn't join the discord until after I bought.

[wary turret]

Agree though it’s a “value” concept that’s pretty individual. For me obviously the value of mister is there even at say $500. While the value of an RTink4k is very low, something I’d rather spend like $100 on and anything higher feels like a waste for what it is. But obv there are people cool with $800 on an RTink but wouldn’t snag mister till it hit $170

[cinder crane]

Maybe I used the wrong word

Maybe “perceived value”

[cloud estuary]

for me, even the $400 price point was easily worth it for CPS+Neogeo, and everythign else has just been oodles of icing on the cake, I snagged one of taki's as well because it was hard not to pass up at $200

[dire merlin]

I think it was wickerwaka that pointed out during the time between the mister pi announcement and when it actually released you could have saved some meager amount of money a day and purchased a mister

and gotten it earlier

but people aren't rational

still 'feels' expensive

also I think the price of some of the prebuilts you could get was.....excessive

[wary turret]

For the price of just a cup of coffee a day you can help feed a retro gamer

[high umbra]

I got a second de-10 nano in late May/early June and it was awesome.

[cloud estuary]

i paid a premium for porkchop's case, but it's been well worth it as someone who travels his mister al ot

that was really the only markup over building it yourself

[high umbra]

Yeah before you get hooked, you just don't know what it's worth to you

[wary turret]

Like cocaine

[faint dune]

cocaine would have been cheaper

[wary turret]

You should get the first mister free

[faint dune]

but you can only play it at your friend’s friend’s seedy apartment

[wary turret]

Everyone’s lying around in filth, Cheeto dust everywhere, controllers strewn about in a dim lit room

[dire merlin]

are you spying on me?

get out

[wary turret]

So standard gaming setup

[faint dune]

I was just setting up tailscale

[dire merlin]

oh great another spy like Robby

[faint dune]

👀

[high umbra]

Robby supplies the cheeto dust

He has invested in the tools

[faint dune]

Does anyone know if Pork’s mt32pi bracket works on other cases? I need a mt32pi for my taki stack with a Todd case

I wonder if I can just flip the bracket and if the screws will line up with the top screws of the pi/todd case

[rich skiff]

Hey guys .van someone explain me what the flagship mister will be?is it a mister with better hardware or a handheld?

[cinder crane]

I think it’s with a built in display like a PVM?

[rich skiff]

Need

[cinder crane]

Someone is going to have to verify that. I could be wrong lol.

[rich skiff]

@cloud estuary

Are u the honda i played against on fightcade?

I want a rematch

"I cant let u get close"

https://tenor.com/view/wanderlei-silva-wanderlei-silva-chael-sonnen-gif-26353264

https://tenor.com/view/wanderlei-silva-wanderlei-silva-chael-sonnen-gif-26318655

@cloud estuary

[wary turret]

Kajoq will smoke you, you have to beat the mini boss @opal gust before you can challenge Kajoq

[rich skiff]

@wary turret

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-johnson-bring-it-on-the-rock-wrestler-wwe-gif-10788627

I smoke u both

https://tenor.com/view/emoski-smoke-smoking-selfie-gif-13909030

[cloud estuary]

: )

[rich skiff]

@cloud estuary wanna do a few sets tonight?

Character switch allowed if u want haha

[cloud estuary]

i got a wow raid at 9est but i can run some before that

[rich skiff]

Ok now?

[cloud estuary]

i can play like 15-20 min rn

@rich skiff

[rich skiff]

Ok come

@cloud estuary

Lets go

[cloud estuary]

is anna nichole yo?

[rich skiff]

Yea

XD

[cloud estuary]

ggs

[rich skiff]

Gg

[opal gust]

Bring it ho!

[slow skiff]

NEVAH! Every retirement home of our generation will have at least a couple of Misters or I ain't going

[slow skiff]

MMhmm, instead of being gouged $300+ for a DE-10 Nano in the aftermarket for a $190 ACADEMIC pricing item before building the stack, resulting in POSSIBLY as high as $600 if you're unlucky or $300 if you're SUPER lucky... Taki Udon is offering "effectively the same thing" as a full kit for $180, that's a bargain no matter how you look at it.
If you're into retro, it's almost like doing yourself a DISSERVICE to NOT BUY.

[slow skiff]

Exactly my rationale... I can certainly afford the stack, but it means getting part a from somewhere, part b from somewhere else, memory from another etc etc if I want to have it relatively soon... or wait to get all the parts gathered for the stack build for 6-8 months... Mister Pi is cheap, yes... but the CONVINIENCE is what really got me the kick in the butt to jump into Mister.

[slow skiff]

same

[sharp pulsar]

I couldn’t justify the cost of a full-stack-with-case mister before the MPi came along

[slow skiff]

RTink is totally worth the money for the parts, the engineering, as well as the software, but just not something I feel I NEED for... $750 before tax and sh&h

[sharp pulsar]

Was rocking a bare board with diy adapters

[slow skiff]

I almost did that jump a year and half ago...

[sharp pulsar]

I eventually sold that setup in anticipation of the MPi, got a full turbo kit for cheaper than what I sold the original one for

[wary turret]

Yeah exactly actual value versus perceived value

[slow skiff]

But back then N64 and PSX cores are not really mature, or really that viable... so I decided to keep watching... glad I did because Taki announced it... and I was STILL on the fence until Batch 1 shipped... because what Taki Udon was offering felt too close to "too good to be true". I appreciate him a lot now, though...

[slow skiff]

MMhmm... It's not about affordability, but rather "does the need equal or goes above the value that will get me"

I mean, not everyone will drop $180+ Tax+ SH&H for effectively a "toy" either... so I'd say almost everyone in this discord are already "not el cheapo"

[wary turret]

Yeah I waste way more than $750 on retro things other people would find real dumb so it’s hard to get too judgey on value

[slow skiff]

That's why I would gladly drop $5000+ for a piece of quality of life gear for work, because I can "make it back" in value... while dropping $750 for RTink or $475 for RTink CE doesn't feel like a good thing for me... I'd go with an arcade cabinet and all kinds of things attached to it way more, for the same money, since that's almost a showpiece, and I get the enjoyment of building it and restoring/modding it.

[wary turret]

My most recent adventure for instance is a LaserActive player I’m about $800 into that for a broken player (now fixed) and a Megadrive pac. So I wanted a laserdisc player and decided to get the most expensive Genesis while I was at it 😂

[slow skiff]

Oooh, the ReizaaAkutibu lol

Speaking of LaserDiscs... did Dragon's Lair ever made it on the Mister? I remember talks about it a couple of years ago.

[dire merlin]

no

[slow skiff]

Figured

Something about Daphne core something

Too much logic?

Hmm there's a homebrew of PSX I wonder if that runs

[dire merlin]

no idea about the logic. the person doing it just...stopped

[zinc spoke]

I mean, you could always just play the Gameboy Color Port. 😛

[slow skiff]

sad

[zinc spoke]

I wonder if it would even translate properly, like.... the original was a LaserDisc, right? I know they made a DVD version of the game at some point, though I have no idea how precise the timing has to be for that one.

And LaserDisc is... weird... Like, not entirely digital?

So, I mean.... you'd have to essentially spoof the entire laserdisc layer with something else, at which point is it even a core or is it just an emulator with extra steps?

[nocturne girder]

@faint dune and @faint imp
Just an update on the USB hub that didn't work. I've got a new one and that one works like a charm.
If anyone else experience something equal. I had to take a picture of the hub and show what usb connections I've used. Also a picture of the power charger used.

The mister pi experience so far is that it works really well

[faint imp]

Did the hub used to work before you connected something to the USB connector of the MiSTer Pi?

In Taki we trust! 🙏

[nocturne girder]

I never got it to work. So i guess it was just toast. The new one worked first thing

[faint imp]

DOA for sure!

Enjoy your Pi, mister! 😌

[nocturne girder]

xD

[wary turret]

Not digital at all

Not the video anyway

Audio could be analog or digital

[faint dune]

Great news. I have been hearing some middling things about taki’s support, so I’m so glad it was smooth (and you’re back up and running)

[zinc spoke]

The optical media itself still uses discrete pits and such, so it's... SORT OF digital

In the loosest sense

[wary turret]

They aren’t zeros and ones but yeah it’s still encoded

Pretty good pic from the wiki

[nocturne girder]

The support was great. Just sendt them an e-mail comfirming the new hub is working and how great the mister pi is

[faint dune]

That's really awesome news

[zinc spoke]

Yeah, I mean, the pit is a representation of the waveform, but it's semi digital in that the analog wave is turned into a pit/no pit thing on a specific threshold, so it's not exactly digital, not exactly analog.

[slow skiff]

Yeah it’s basically analogue signal just read using a laser, think really really thin grooves record players… in fact some vinyl fans retro-invented a video format based on the record player iirc

[slow skiff]

The compression is horrible, and omits some footage

But playable

[zinc spoke]

I think there was actually a real product like this that wasn't successful... RCA I think did it?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc

[slow skiff]

Oh yeah that too

God old school engineering is so cool

[cinder crane]

You’re losing money by not buying!

[faint dune]

Money expires if you don’t spend it!!

[cinder crane]

So I don’t have my Mister Pi anymore, can I still hang out here?

[runic pecan]

gifting one to a friend grants honorary access

[cinder crane]

Hooray!

Yeah he just arrived at his new apartment. Has nothing but a projector, his computer a small desk, and the MiSTer lol.

So uhhh, I’m pretty sure I saved his sanity

[wary turret]

Jesus. Ghandi. Mother Theresa. Robby

[cinder crane]

The only thing I didn’t put on there was the Atari Jaguar and CDi cores. I didn’t want to play tech support on those two lol.

The MiSTer Pi is extremely well put together.

[dire merlin]

so what have you exfiltrated from his network so far?

[cinder crane]

nothing, it’s not hooked up!

[dire merlin]

keep asking him about it. "so have you put that thing on the network yet???"

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS

[cinder crane]

When I was a kid I installed backdoors on my friend’s PCs so I could terrorize them lolol

[wary turret]

The cost of a mister pi is nothing compared to emptying a bank account

[cinder crane]

I’d go over their house with a floppy, when they left I quickly inserted the floppy and ran an exe that would open a specific port and then hide the floppy

[wary turret]

Should leave them on the sidewalk in NYC

See how many people foolishly plug their Robbpi into their home network and get pwned by the king of Linux hackers

[patent knoll]

I'm sure Robby's hack message would rival that of C64 crack intros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFqBkSJOYOQ

[whole tangle]

Got covers for my SNACs

[wary turret]

I was picturing Newman in Jurassic park with the “ah ah ah you didn’t say the secret word”

But Robby’s head

[wary turret]

These are pretty great

Only saw pc crack equivalents

[patent knoll]

yeah - people love rocking that SID chip

[slow skiff]

EXACTLY!

[slow skiff]

What Dockula said lol

[slow skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-you-didnt-say-gif-19059762

[zinc spoke]

Neat, looks like mine?

[civic badge]

What did you end up having to fix??? I have a nice Pioneer LD player that I would love to fix, but pretty sure its a laser issue

My Panasonic LD Player works like a champ, but requires disc flip

[lyric gull]

How do we convince Retroflag to make a Mister Pi case like this one? https://youtu.be/N4CSEERBV88

@strong falcon please send them a board! Show them how much better Mister is than an RPi.

[gentle remnant]

What is the standard for swapping back and forth between scanline/mask filters and none without losing my settings. I want to easily turn them off when im running a crt but then have them back when im on my arcade or living room tv.

[limpid jolt]

run alt inis

see

https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/advanced/ini/

[oblique drum]

Batch 3 should ship soon right? Anybody excited?

[sharp pulsar]

Set a default filter in your main ini and create a mister_CRT (and mister_TATE if necessary) that omits the default filter

Then load up the CRT ini and undo all the filters you’ve set for individual games 🫠

[wary turret]

Replaced two belts, recapped / reflowed the power board (the caps let go and caused a huge mess), cleaned the laser. I’m going to recap the remaining boards which should take a bit because it’s a couple hundred caps 😅. LaserActive are notorious for leaky caps and cold solder joints though, not sure for their other players

Going to tuck in and do the remaining caps likely starting today. Only a couple hundred more 😅

[faint imp]

@queen onyx what is this micro usb m-f cable used for on a MiSTer Pi - Ironclad Lite setup?

[rich skiff]

Hey anyone can tell me which lightguns will work on the mister pi?thx

[cinder crane]

USB or SNAC + CRT?

[rich skiff]

@robby im confused someone said i need a snac. I bought a vga to scartcable with lightgun plugin

I play on crt always

@cinder crane

[cinder crane]

You’ll need a controller SNAC cable too. So for example on the PS1 with a GunCon you’ll need to connect it to the PS1 controller port and a yellow composite port.

[rich skiff]

https://ultimatemister.com/product/mister-vga-to-rgb-scart-cable-lightgun-guncon/

@cinder crane

With this u still need a snac?!

[cinder crane]

Here is an example - https://misterfpga.co.uk/product/mister-snac-playstation-psx-adapter/

the important thing is you need to also be able to connect your lightgun too, not just using the composite cable

See how it has a normal controller connection + yellow composite cable?

[rich skiff]

But guncon 2 has usb?

[cinder crane]

Oh GunCon 2

[rich skiff]

Im good with just the cable?

[cinder crane]

Yeah!

[rich skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-robby-evercade-kcelej-omg-robby-gif-2365143675452370729

[cinder crane]

LMAO

[rich skiff]

But robby

[cinder crane]

oh no you found the other Discord’s Robby gifs

https://github.com/NolanNicholson/GunCon2-MiSTer

That’s a good write up

[rich skiff]

Train more triceps for massive arm

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-18466013

[cinder crane]

Yeah I really need to lol

[rich skiff]

XD

[cinder crane]

also forearms too

[rich skiff]

Lmao i dont understand people who train forearms like u get them when u do pull ups 😄

[cinder crane]

they like the veins popping I guess?

[rich skiff]

Compound movements only. Im lazy. Workout need to be quick

[cinder crane]

oh important to note, since you’re using USB, you can’t do light guns on the Saturn core yet

It’ll come eventually, just not available now via USB

[rich skiff]

Ok thank you

Good to know

No virtua cop

https://tenor.com/view/ja-raha-mai-koi-nahi-aone-cheems-doge-kutta-gif-23423779

"We got virtua cop at home"

Time crisis xD

@cinder crane my main problem is i wanna spend more money on mister stuff but dont know what i need or just want to have.life is so hard

https://tenor.com/view/thinhda-meme-cheems-look-gif-20420668

Bought a mt 32 pi

But now i think its not enough

[cinder crane]

Bro, the MiSTer is like a controller money pit 😂

I stopped collecting games and now collect controllers

[rich skiff]

What controller u got?

Send nu.. pics!

[cinder crane]

Way too many

[faint imp]

Saffuns! Saffuns everywhere!

[rich skiff]

Owner want 460 bucks but its too pricey

Can anyone give me an opinion what will be a good deal for this bvm?

Only 9 inch

https://tenor.com/view/samuraidoggo-gif-20129523

[faint imp]

Try asking on #crt

[sharp pulsar]

$460 is a pretty good price for a 9” set with only composite inputs 🫠

[rich skiff]

@sharp pulsar im not an expert i dont know whats good with pvm bvm stuff

[sharp pulsar]

Not worth the cost imo.

If you have money to waste, go ahead and buy it

I personally would not enjoy playing games on a 9” screen

[lyric gull]

I’m assuming it’s an HR Trinitron tube so it probably has 450 TVL. But the inputs suck.

I like my 250 TVL 9” PVM.

Has all the inputs you could want.

[sharp pulsar]

27” consumer sets are my sweet spot

[cinder crane]

Ok so I say that as a PVM owner. They’re not worth it.

I think having the nicest analog fidelity possible is really cool and fun. But to me CRTs, when I grew up, weren’t high fidelity.

[sharp pulsar]

Grail setup

[cinder crane]

Sir, did you know your right TV is on its side?

[sharp pulsar]

Yes. It helps prevent people from noticing the TWO raspberry pi’s in the photo

[cinder crane]

YESSSSS!

[rich skiff]

Ok thank u for your feedback about the bvm

"9 inch"

https://tenor.com/view/cheems-dance-gif-27154970

U guys really hate raspberrys 🤣

[cinder crane]

NOT ME

[rich skiff]

https://youtu.be/QmNovlUUepI?si=ygMqOXX_i3fv1dlP

Is this Video legit?

https://tenor.com/view/decorating-cake-the-great-canadian-baking-show-gcbs-chocolate-cake-raspberry-gif-21139053

[cinder crane]

It’s as real as you want it to be!

[lyric gull]

For me any Trinitron is great. Consumer or professional.

[rich skiff]

No seriously

[sharp pulsar]

I own two of them!!

[cinder crane]

They’re using “run ahead” which is basically the emulator’s educated guess on what the user will press next. It’s not full proof and is actually really prone to a lot of visual inconsistencies. So it still has more input lag than the MiSTer but they’re using software tricks to appear like it’s reduced. Sometimes it works well but most of the time, in my experience, it’s very poor and I always turn it off.

[sharp pulsar]

(Checking again) I own 4 of them!

[sharp pulsar]

IMO rgb-pi is comparable to mister

Latency is low enough that you can use CRT light guns 🤷‍♂️

[rich skiff]

I got a pi and the rgb dual from recalbox and i can say its easy plug and play but u cant use runahead .even u use one frame u get sound issues. Sonic the hedgehog sounds not good

[high umbra]

the team has a new Linux distribution that doesn't use run ahead and in their demo looks very fast #software-emulation message

[cinder crane]

Well that’s pretty cool

Yeah that video is 2 years old

[sharp pulsar]

They’ve been teasing replayOS in the rgb-pi discord for a while and it sounds bonkers

[high umbra]

The colors are all borked and they're only showing nes

But the menu looks much better than retroarch

[rich skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-baby-chinese-chill-unit-gif-27691805

[high umbra]

I need to get to this server

[sharp pulsar]

Website has a link to it

[high umbra]

L8rz misters

[cinder crane]

What’s replayOS

[sharp pulsar]

It’s not very active

[sharp pulsar]

The OS in the video you just said was cool

I think it’s only compatible with pi5 but I’m not sure

[rich skiff]

@cinder crane rgb pi scart cable. They use replayOS

Recalbox say there is a rgb dual for the pi5 in development

Rgb dual has vga too

[sharp pulsar]

IMO the rgb-pi is a great complement to the mister. I’d prefer using the mister for titles that both can run, but rgb-pi can play more games

Espgaluda, Mushihimesama…

[cinder crane]

Oh I thought it was Retroarch lol

[rich skiff]

@sharp pulsar its not compatible.they work on a new cable for the pi5 too

[cinder crane]

I am too lazy for CRT

[sharp pulsar]

Critical Ray theory

Espgaluda on the rgb-pi is subtly different from the jamma game in a way I can’t quite put my finger on

[cinder crane]

Is it lag

[sharp pulsar]

But I set my PB on the pi so I don’t think it’s a latency issue

I have played Espgaluda a LOT and would notice if it was lag

[high umbra]

So i went to the rgb-pi discord and I saw akirapalm there, immediately deploying birdysnake's monkey bonk gif

[cinder crane]

Why you got it on a chopping board

Are you gonna cook it

[sharp pulsar]

For easy transport!

Used to have a Neo Geo mounted on it 🤠

[cinder crane]

That’s pretty cool

I like that every time I try to troll @sharp pulsar he one ups me lmao

[sharp pulsar]

Keeps the bare pcb bottom from getting damaged too

Ya can’t trick the trickster

[cinder crane]

I honestly love your setup, the trolling is to mask my appreciation of it

[sharp pulsar]

Handle doubles as a support for the jamma connector too

[rich skiff]

Really in what channel?

[cinder crane]

Damn, exposed

[high umbra]

Only because he seemed interested in context

[upbeat gyro]

A new thing for me to obsess over

[high umbra]

Don't forget to retest lag after every time there is a new firmware update for your tv

[queen onyx]

It connects to a new M micro usb that was added to the lite, instead of the 4 pin thing the normal mister would use.

[faint imp]

Oh so the “USB bridge” pin header connector on the original Ironclad Lite PCB was replaced by a micro usb connector?

[queen onyx]

They both exist

You use one or the other.

[faint imp]

Clever!

[queen onyx]

Yup pretty cool

[faint imp]

Awesome! Will get a barebones MiSTer Pi and RAM soon for my new setup

I will just make a custom cable from a USB A cable with pin headers at the end

[queen onyx]

Yeah that should work fine!

[upbeat gyro]

I mainly want to know what if any lag my hdmi 2.1 switch adds

[rich skiff]

@robby yeah there was a very rude dude talking to meh"!

https://tenor.com/view/wiggle-bonk-doge-rcon-discord-gif-7113561812262633635

[upbeat gyro]

That’s 1920x1080@60 in 4:3

That’s same in 16:9

[dense umbra]

CED was not laser based, it used a stylus like a record

[upbeat gyro]

Vsync adjust 2 got me these

First in 4:3, second in 16:9

Think we have a winner

Same 2 running through the HDMI splitter

So I would say no impact from the hdmi switch

[faint dune]

Nah, switch shouldn’t add anything

[upbeat gyro]

When you’ve gotten yourself into a settings bind and you don’t want to get up but have a laptop on you

[unreal sonnet]

what listing did you buy from?

[upbeat gyro]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325988072958?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=6MLE2naZTUa&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=Po3kxzHnR-2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[high umbra]

@rich skiff not sure if you found one yet, but see SK360's link above

[tardy hornet]

man if it wasnt for the fact that RPi's are idiotically expensive these days

id get one to try running as a midi box outside of MT32pi stuff

[sharp pulsar]

Much better midi synths out there to spend your money on

Grab a cheap Behringer

[tardy hornet]

no i mean

running things like nuked sc55

[sharp pulsar]

Ahh

[tardy hornet]

stuff that a mt32pi cant really run well (or atleast supposedly)

last i saw pi3 wasnt enough for nuked sc55

and pi5 prices these days are kinda stupid when i can get turnkey mini pcs for cheap (last one was $120?.... 12 thread 32gb ram micro lol)

[sharp pulsar]

Refurb mini office PCs are pretty good value yup

[tardy hornet]

hell

the one i use specifically i got for $35

[tardy hornet]

because it has high single core perf and i didnt need much ram lol

[sharp pulsar]

I use one for recording

[tardy hornet]

i think i3 8100 / 8gb ram

got it originally for opnsense but since moved my entire stack to unifi lol

[tardy hornet]

ive been thinking about grabbing a behringer 802

they seem dirt cheap for what they are

[sharp pulsar]

I used to have a 1202fx. Perfectly cromulent

[tardy hornet]

i really just want something i can do some mixing on with multiple inputs and 2 outputs

one for recording the other for monitor

[sharp pulsar]

I’m planning to grab a umc404hd later this year

Two mic inputs is too limiting for me

[tardy hornet]

i only have 1 mic so lol

samson q2u i believe?

[sharp pulsar]

Samson stuff seems decent. I have a few of their DI boxes

[tardy hornet]

yea in terms of budget seems good and it has both usb and xlr

[sharp pulsar]

A 4-input interface would let me capture two drum mics, bass, and keyboard at the same time. Ideal for recording jams

[tardy hornet]

im ears for any budget suggestions though

for a mixer that is

802 seems to be like

$50

or less

[sharp pulsar]

I guess this is off-topic for here 🙂

Let’s move it to #misc-hardware

[tardy hornet]

alternatively i see mackie mix8's for about the same

and sure

[rich skiff]

hello can i use the mt 32 lite on the mister pi too or does it hide other ports?

[crude kernel]

Not listed on the supported device list, but I'm not sure if that list is old. Any opinions?

[high umbra]

Looks dicey

[sharp pulsar]

AC600 works

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0BJ7XJ27X?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

[crude kernel]

I would take wifi6 over Bluetooth just for file transfers, if it would make that much of a difference

But yeah, I probably won't get it, I just I just need to check for Linux compatibility right?

[faint dune]

Pretty sure WiFi 6 doesn’t work? Or was it 6e?

[high umbra]

Wifi 6 itself is pretty old

But this adapter looks new

My understanding is that you want to check the mister kernel version, then check for Linux compatibility, but make sure compatibility was added by the kernel version that mister has

Alternatively, if it's Linux compatible but not supported with mister's kernel, you can install the drivers separately

[slow skiff]

Not be watching Godzilla Minus One Minus Color on that is a sin

[gentle remnant]

I use alternate ini I didnt know i could put filters in it is there a category and thank you@sharp pulsar you too. thats the solution I thought of when i was laying awake last night well sort of. but I was going to duplicate the core itself and name it crt and the other led and then set the filters in the core. Load them individually like with the snes SS. ill try the ini file.I thought that the individual core settings overide the global. Ill give it a try thanks to you both.

[faint dune]

The ac600 or whatever tp link adapter I am using is connected at wifi4

[gentle remnant]

ohhh you think your old school....hold my fake beer

[slow skiff]

What, did you flash a WRT54G? lol

[crude kernel]

I felt bad that I hadn't used my nes snac yet. Also, I can't find any 3d files for operating the trigger to a micro switch, only thing I can find is an eBay seller who has upgrade kits available

[upbeat gyro]

Gosh dd-wrt was such a game changer on those

[slow skiff]

Pretty much a whole generation’s first Network Attached Storage experience ngl

[crude kernel]

I'm honestly shocked by how many people pay for cloud storage.
I don't love the idea of a single drive, but cloud storage is expensive these days. I think google charges $10/month for 2tb

I use to recommend unRAID but their new price structure is pretty high

[upbeat gyro]

I’m on a 10 year old synology right now

Been looking at building an unraid box to get off of it

[crude kernel]

I love it, I bought 2 18tb HDDs last black Friday, finally bought a UPS for it and it's been awesome for the price

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I was going to load it with some of those cheap refurbished serverpartdeals 18tb’s

And migrate everything off this syno

Probably with an i5, I need something that can transcode in plex decently

Have a 2012 Mac Mini running Proxmox right now with a ton of containers running, Plex and all the *arr apps

It just can’t handle any more than 2 or 3 transcodes lol

[crude kernel]

I scored a dell micro with a i7-117700 for dirt cheap on Goodwill's auction site.
It's a pretty ugly setup, I use a m.2 to Sata adapter and I have a separate 5 bay with it's own power supply. I was shocked that even with 2 separate power supplies, it idles at scout 7watts.

I've got a dream machine as well! I love my ubiquity gear

@upbeat gyro looks like you're running pi-hole. My wife hates it lol, I'm too lazy to whitelist sites

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah Pihole on the pi zero 2 and I have a secondary one running on the Mac mini

Use Tailscale to keep connected to it off of WiFi

My wife loves it for blocking ads in games lol

[faint dune]

I love pihole

And Tailscale

And unbound

Strong digital defense

[crude kernel]

I need to look into some of those. I'm pretty bad about defense, but I keep anything important on a separate vlan, not sure if that's enough for the most part

[faint dune]

It’s mostly security theater. But pihole is nice for ad blocking.

[upbeat gyro]

Tailscale is just nice if you need remote access to things in your network, it’s like vpn easy mode with no ports to open

I fucking love it

And this is coming from years of WireGuard use

[faint dune]

Pihole everywhere is worth it

I hope they don’t get acquired

[upbeat gyro]

And you can run Tailscale on an AppleTV. My one AppleTV is used as a subnet router and exit node

[limber token]

You need the optional user port wich is on the io board. Normally you could also use a short usb3 cable extension cable for the connection if ports would be hide.

[digital estuary]

My resin printed N64 Mister Pi FPGA case designed by @lyric gull came in from JLCPCB today! Looks amazing! Unfortunately misplaced my micro case jewels I had printed, so ill have to reorder some.

[cursive crypt]

Wow! So smooth! Can a home resin printer do that?

[digital estuary]

Not sure. Its just printed in their "Black Resin" SLA printers.

[dull gull]

using USB controllers, is there anything special I have to do to get 2 player working? I've seen that there are 2P versions of some cores

[faint dune]

Nah, should just work

[dull gull]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-bill-and-ted-air-guitar-yes-yeah-gif-15828050

got a big smile on my face just now when I plugged in my snes classic and NSO N64 controllers and they just worked

[faint dune]

Those controllers are great for their cores

[dull gull]

had to rebind them real quick but they work great

[runic pecan]

the '2p' cores have 2 consoles running at once, but follow normal player 1 / player 2 mapping
ie 2 gameboys at once that you can play multiplayer on 🙂

if you have a CRT and HDMI display connected, you can have one console per tv

(or both at once on HDMI)

for multiple controllers, the first one you press a button on after loading a core becomes P1, second P2 etc
you can reset it by opening OSD, pressing right and 'reset player assignment'

[dull gull]

ooooh I see

I wondered why 2P needed a separate core and that makes a lot of sense lol

[lyric gull]

Woah that print came out great! That’s awesome! Please share when it’s assembled!

With the jewel I mean.

[slow skiff]

Looking great, just maybe need a little cleanup and a thin matte black and it’ll look exactly like the render lol

[cinder crane]

The N64 case looks awesome!

[sharp pulsar]

preset_default=General Hardware/Arcade for example

You can also set different ones for each core

I do that in my mister.ini and then I have mister_CRT.ini without it

Then you just pop into the CRT ini and remove the presets from all the individual cores you’ve added them to

[digital estuary]

Its got that original "gray black" color of the N64, i just haven't given it a coat of armorall yet to take away the "chalkyness" of the print yet until I install the case jewel.

[gentle remnant]

you all are great thanks

[gentle remnant]

hey when i run MiSTer_SAM_on.sh favorite It adds the game title that is playing to my favorites folder. But the metadata etc always links to the last neo geo game that was loaded in sam. And if i load it thats the gaem that loads. The neo geo one.
Can someone else verify if its working correctly on their side

[slow skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-woah-xbox-one-breathtaking-gif-14309950

[crude kernel]

I had to buy these JBL speakers when I saw them. They sound pretty decent and as an added bonus, the yellowing matches the monitor!

[cursive crypt]

And shielded by the looks of it, nice find!

[crude kernel]

They didn't look like they were meant to be hung on the side of a crt so I was pleasantly surprised with how beefy the cables are

[gentle remnant]

bump

[nocturne girder]

Does the snac port support one controller only or can I get snac adapterd for two controllers?

[faint dune]

If it’s not in the docs, it might be worth pinging @frosty tundra on this

[gentle remnant]

ty

[cinder crane]

You can buy SNAC adapters that support multiple controllers. For example there’s a 2 and 4 player one available for the PS1/Saturn/N64 cores.

[gentle remnant]

i was looking at the reflex adaptors for sure

[dense umbra]

SNAC multiplayer is limited by the spare GPIO lanes. So systems like Sega are single player only due to the amount of lines used by the controller
Systems like Nes, SNES, PS1, N64 share common lines so have more free for more players

[cinder crane]

Oh yeah? Can’t do 2P in the Saturn core through SNAC?

[tough whale]

https://fixvx.com/takiudon_/status/1877167421078884711?s=46

guess this is mister pi related

[faint imp]

You bet

Can’t wait to get one

[tardy hornet]

i like

[wary turret]

Not something I’d ever buy since it’s redundant to mister but it’s designed nicely

[tardy hornet]

gonna wait for flagship

[tardy hornet]

im down for any way to get people into mister at this point lol

and i know a lot of people that dont like the "diy" look of the triple stack or its cases

[woven cypress]

for the price I'll have to grab one, but I'd love more details about the anolog out, would be cool if it just used the psx av connector

[dull gull]

My pi setup is so jank compared to this

[winged summit]

If it is a mister with one ram module and all the extras listed and the psz ports, in a nice case, it is a hell of a good price

[slim sundial]

Console wars of 1996 are BACK

(Analogue64 vs taki psx)

[oblique drum]

It's all just mister to me.

[cinder crane]

It’s very nice to have options. MiSTer being offered as the retro gaming solution in multiple ways will help expand its reach to more people who aren’t aware there’s a better software alternative to Analogue’s products.

[high umbra]

I don't remember a psx vs n64 war

[cinder crane]

Yeah, that generation it was always clear who the market leader was and each console offered very distinct gaming libraries and experiences.

Most people had PS1 so it was the mass adoption product and it’s what you owned if you were into RPGs, adventure, fighting, and general action games.

The N64 was for Nintendo fans and kids, and is what you owned if you were into 3D platformers, first person shooters, arcade racing, and multiplayer games.

I probably don’t list all the genres each console excelled at. Like sports/wrestling on the N64 was a big deal too.

And survival horror was of course huge on PS1.

But it was cool as hell owning both. I personally never felt much overlap at all between the two. Each console had very distinct experiences and purposes.

[green sparrow]

I'm a bit confused about this. If it is based on the MisterFPGA project, then why does it only play one console? Is it using the same FPGA? I have so many questions.

[tardy hornet]

it plays more than one console but its setup specifically for PS1

[zinc spoke]

I feel like the existing fpga consoles are probably pretty similar. Technically they COULD do more, but they're targeted

[timber fern]

It plays all the things mister plays, it’s just optimized for the ps1 experience via memory card and controller slots.

[green sparrow]

Oof, that's a branding nightmare, but I guess it kind of makes sense then.

[timber fern]

Mister pi is a branding nightmare too 😂

[zinc spoke]

I don't know, I mean.... if people are buying it to play PS1 games, then it'll do that... It just.... can do other stuff, too.

I feel like it's not dissimilar to the SNES classic and such, it's just that the way you load other games on isn't a hack, it's just a configuration. 😛

[sharp pulsar]

Valid

[green sparrow]

But that's exactly why it's tricky to brand. You're underselling the capability of the device.

[sharp pulsar]

When korg relaunched analog synths in the early 2010s, they labelled a bunch of solder points on the PCBs for curious owners to add extra functionality

Kinda reminds me of that

[zinc spoke]

Umm...

The Analogue 3D is a $250 FPGA that's targeting N64

This is exactly the same niche, but cheaper

[sharp pulsar]

One of them had full midi capability but without any ports, solder a couple wires and suddenly you had midi in/out

[green sparrow]

It's intended to only play N64 though.

[zinc spoke]

I'm just saying, there will be people buying that one intending to load it up with extra cores just like people do with the Analogue Pocket. The capability is there. But that's not what they're marketing it as, same as this PS1 emulator

[patent knoll]

I think it's just a MiSTer Pi, with a special daughter board with all of the components in a PSone style shell (there's 4 usb ports on it for other controllers or storage). You just lose the ability to modify the hardware. It probably just autoboots into the PSX core with the included sd card (you can already do this with the .ini file), but you should be able to put whatever you want on it without special jailbreaking

[zinc spoke]

Software is going to be an interesting question for this... I don't know that he would have had time to develop very much.

Also.... I mean, there are a lot of ways this could have gone.... I would think it would be more cost effective to skip a lot of the stuff on the MiSTer Pi you don't need....

[oblique drum]

Because it wasn't a war. It was a massacre.

[zinc spoke]

Like, rather than having GPIO pins, you just... wire in directly to what you need... Which electrically would look pretty similar to keep the software compatibility...

[high umbra]

Did n64 win? 🏆

[oblique drum]

It won second place.

[zinc spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/second-place-futurama-loser-gif-10691001

[faint dune]

the poor saturn :/. I’m playing through dragoon saga again, and while I think it’s a truly great game, it’s hard not to look at the graphics and go “awww. you’re trying your best”

[cinder crane]

Saturn won second place in Japan at least

[zinc spoke]

This is like what failed rockers in the US do. Just go to Japan, they'll love you there like we don't!

[high umbra]

Our first place "rockers" are certainly of a particular taste