Mister Pi Users

[faint dune]

yeah, you won't see it in cores

[tardy hornet]

how long would be a good time to test memtest?

[limpid jolt]

usually about 20 mins or so

its an automatic process, it drops down to the stable values

[tardy hornet]

alright....ill let it go for 30 minutes then

[limpid jolt]

read the core docs on github for the results

[tardy hornet]

👍

[limpid jolt]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/MemTest_MiSTer

[tardy hornet]

on another note the mt32pi almost fits

the top needs to go up a hair more...

[upbeat gyro]

If they’re games no one wants to play than it might as well be 0 lol (not saying that’s the case with all of them available)

[delicate hazel]

Happened to me whenever I run like update_all. Just seems normal

[tardy hornet]

Yea I just got worried because it's the first time with this

[wary turret]

Fair but it is already most of the most popular arcade games of all time. Plenty more gaps that can be and will be filled for sure but it’s hard to complain about what’s there even if you cull the couple dozen maze games from the golden age no one plays 😉

[tardy hornet]

Just going through at this point and testing both mem sticks

[upbeat gyro]

Not complaining at all, just running alternate hardware lol

[tardy hornet]

So far first one 147, second one seems to hold strong at 150

[winged summit]

but The Outfoxies is missing , so this device is incomplete and meaningless

[wary turret]

Gaaaabage

Until metamorphic force is done or moo mesa I won’t feed it the DC 5V it craves

[winged summit]

Moo mesa is around the corner IIRC, furtek did a lot of work on Konami stuff lately

[faint dune]

man that looks good

the white mt32pi is

[vital mica]

Tron Blue 😄

[faint imp]

Any word on when mega packs will be available again?

[limber token]

No, but Turbo pack seems to be there 😉

[vital mica]

What is the mt32pi?

[cursive crypt]

Emulates the 'ol Roland MT-32, gives better (different) sounds (Midi) in certain games: https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_MT-32-compatible_computer_games

[faint imp]

Turbo is too much for me. I need mega

Megas wen

[limber token]

I assume that you have to wait till March 2025 then.

[vital mica]

I remember the old roland cards they were fancy pants at the time Sound Blaster and midi was much more in reasonable price range

[limber token]

The external Roland boxes were never cheap, iirc about 1200-1500 DM in the time of an Amiga.

[vital mica]

I remember games almost always seemed to support it. It was always an option. I am not sure I never mete a kid with a Roland sound card

[zinc spoke]

My Pi-zero hat is in customs at the moment.

"The shipment is being managed by the Customs agent at the destination", it tells me. But that's better than the 9 days of total radio silence I'd had before that.

[crude kernel]

I'm really surprised it hasn't sold out yet. A fourth run seems unlikely any time soon with the other projects he has going on.
I'm not pumped that it was the turbo pack, i don't need a case or really any accessories but I get it.

I wonder if these are RMAs from people that had sent in defective units

[untold kayak]

I have a $2,500 eight package 3d printer kit going through customs and it's been a nightmare. I hate DHL now. Good luck

Dunno if it's the Christmas workload or what, everything like pulling teeth

[limber token]

He has reserved a small amount for the paypal payment but seems he has split this also to creditcard payer. I dont know why, but the quantitiy is low, so if you want one, better get it now.

[faint imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[crude kernel]

I already did, I'm just surprised it hasn't sold out yet. I suspect a 4th batch might not happen for a while

[faint dune]

I wonder if the 4th batch is going to go into one of the larger projects like the console

[crude kernel]

I love the idea of a handheld. The steam deck is massive, I doubt that a Mister would be any bigger. Hell, you might be able to integrate the cradle with the io board for those that still want the option

[cloud estuary]

i wont lie, for a handheld im for the most part okay with taking a minor hit on the emulation exactness for the QOL stuff that comes with ... not being tied to a DE-10

I'm not going to be trying to play a hyper competitive fighting game or play super tight shmups or platformers on a handheld to where the extra emulation accuracy particularly matters.

So I'd rather have the smaller form factor/better battery life thats going to come with an anbernic or whatever flavor of the month SBC handheld is compared to the extra logistics of making it work with a MiSTer

[faint dune]

It will be interesting to see what taki figures out with the handheld

[cloud estuary]

I've been watching along with all the various handheld mister projects for a while and theres been some cool proof of concepts but nothing that really seemed like an end product i'd want

[faint dune]

Because the diy projects have power issues

[faint dune]

Yeah, but because taki controls his board’s features, I feel like if anyone can pull it off, he can

[dire merlin]

I'm not even sure the cycloneV has any sort of power management for the arm side

it may just be full clock speed 24/7

[cloud estuary]

as someone who had the nomad rechargable battery pack in the 90s, it's not something i'm looking to re-visit

[faint dune]

And even with that, Ken got, what 2-3 hours with a 4000kwh battery? He wanted to put a 10k one in there. I feel like having the same battery life as a switch is a good goal.

The probablem is the power switching stuff. Having the thing shut off when you plug or unplug it is no good. Thats something taki definitely has to solve for.

[crude kernel]

Here is my only argument for a handheld. I think that co/op or any online features need improvements when it comes to retro emulation. I would love for any device to make that happen.
What's cool about the Mister is that it can take that to a competitive market, where it's similar to a lan party.

But that's my own wishful thought

[vital mica]

Fully agree that for handheld the standard software emu works just fine and agree getting battery life from ARM is also something I would rather have

[cloud estuary]

Have you ever played on Fightcade?

or Dolphin Netplay

Like i totally agree if you try to netplay through retroarch it's dookie, but Fightcade is amazing and has been for a very long time

[vital mica]

Fightcade is something I have heard about from all the vs youtube folks I watch from time to time. No idea what it is

[cloud estuary]

It's a client for matchmaking mostly fighting games, but it has most of MAME and early consoles supported now

[crude kernel]

Those that pretty beefy hardware don't they? Or is it easily done with something like the switch?

[cloud estuary]

and it has really good rollback netcode

[vital mica]

That would explain why the vs community loves it

[cloud estuary]

No, it needs like a $50 dell mini PC off facebook to run fightcade

[crude kernel]

Right, but I was trying about portability

[cloud estuary]

I mean, a regular MiSTer is plenty portable and easy to set up at events, I've done it at dozens now

a handheld doesn't help that aspect at all, probably is worse because it will have fewer IO

and a screen to worry about

[vital mica]

Mister is nuts portable. Smaller than most fight sticks

[cloud estuary]

You also mentioned you didn't think retro games had good online options and fightcade is an extremely good one thats worth checking out if you havents thats all

[crude kernel]

I agree, but I guess I meant for co-op play, and portable matchmaking. But again, not a huge market

[vital mica]

Yah for portable play the focus is pretty understandably single player games

[cloud estuary]

you tryin to tell me you want to play co-op on a screen smaller than your phones?

even stuff like local bt netplay or something would be completely out of realistic scope for a mister handheld

but is feasible on the anbernics and such

Sure that would be cool if it somehow made it in, but I dont think thats a reasonable expectation

[crude kernel]

I agree, it's kind of bogus. But the switch has something similar. You're right though, easier on emulated devices running retroarch.

[high umbra]

His handheld would power off when plugging in power?

[faint dune]

Ken’s did, yeah

[vital mica]

Is there a way to turn off the fan in the software? The thing runs hard but isn't actually venting any hot hair. Seems like the old arcade cores are not really stretching the system at all

[dense umbra]

You can change the voltage of the fan to 3.3v with the jumper on the bottom of the IO board. This reduces fan speed

The FPGA never gets that hot no matter what

[dull gull]

I have seen it said it would be perfectly fine to swap for a heatsink and have no noise at all

But I can't hear it over the game at 3.3 anyway

[faint imp]

Got a spam from RetroRemake saying mega packs are back but it was a lie 😔

[oblique drum]

Same

[faint dune]

They were in stock briefly. But as soon as the emails went out I imagine they sold out quick

[dense umbra]

I only saw the Turbo packs in stock PayPal and normal card

[faint dune]

This is what they sent me

[faint imp]

Anyone using a MiSTer Pi with the Ironclad Lite here?

[limpid jolt]

I think thats Birdy Boys core.

[shrewd dust]

'scuse the mess, I'll be cleaning this up over the holiday break (or maybe closing it back up and forgetting about it)

[crude kernel]

Can anybody recommend speakers that run off USB for power and accept 3.5?

I didn't know if anybody is using a crt monitor without audio and found a decent solution for the mister

@shrewd dust that's pretty cool, never knew that existed. Plenty of room for adding extras.
Off the top of my head, add as many snacs as you wish as well as tapto

What do you plan on doing with it?

[shrewd dust]

There's a USB hub (not in picture) and then need to put in a mt32pi lite. Tapto/zaparoo will be external

I'll be making a 3D printed holder to keep the usb hub & mt32pi in place and also need to make a backplate for the case.

[crude kernel]

@shrewd dust nice. I bought 4 of the USB c readers a few weeks ago, they are getting delivered tomorrow. I already have the cards, I just need to figure out how they will be inserted into the arcade cab I have.
Also need to find a deal on a decent printer, I haven't printed from home since like 2010 lol

[faint dune]

This is back in stock for folks who were waiting https://www.etsy.com/listing/1832675927/switched-usb-c-to-usb-c-for-mister-pi

[stark surge]

Anyone know where U34/equivalent is on the Mister Pi board? Trying to fix the CEC issue

[solid stratus]

The MisterPi board doesn't have a CEC issue

CEC is not a good standard though, so it's quite possible that even without a CEC circuit issue your TV/monitor still isn't reacting as you'd expect. I'd suggest disabling it at the screen side...

[stark surge]

It is still causing me issues for some reason then. Even when the mister is off it kills the CEC function from the other devices on the splitter

[solid stratus]

That is odd. Well, as ever it's pin 13 on the HDMI - you can break the pin off on a cable easily enough with a sewing pin to lift the cable spring out

[stark surge]

I cut the trace on pin 13, going to see if that changes anything

That seems to have fixed it haha

[solid stratus]

Funny. I was sure Taki and the QMtech boards had both fixed that circuit screwup from Terasic.

[faint dune]

I believe QMtech did

Falafell mentioned it iirc

[gritty pumice]

that's perfect for me now, thanks!

[zinc spoke]

Woot! So glad it worked!

[gritty pumice]

SNAC adapter still works too after all the pushing shoving trying to force it into the case 😄

I dunno if I'll use it much though. I have SNES controllers, but also have some 8bitdo SNES style with usb dongles and I have one of those USB triple adapters with SNES, NES and DB9 ports

which is way more convenient because it works in the menus and any core

[faint imp]

@strong falcon please fix this for the next Pi revision

[gritty pumice]

I've always used one of those hdmi cec blockers on my MiSTer

would have been nice if the Mister Pi eliminated the need for one

[limber token]

I would prefer a switching solution like the mms instead of cutting a trace.

[tardy hornet]

Any suggestions on one?

Interesting

So pin 13 and 18

[stark surge]

just 13

[limber token]

That offers MMS

[gritty pumice]

mine is a Lindy

https://www.lindy.com.au/hdmi-non-cec-female-male-adapter

[tardy hornet]

sadly cheapest i can find so far are those bluerigger cecless adapters

[tardy hornet]

@prisma fjord gotta ask you mention you can get the morph 4k for $200 or cheaper used.... please point me into the direction for that lol

[prisma fjord]

I said the wrong price. I should have said $250

https://stoneagegamer.com/morph-4k-advanced-4k-hdmi-upscaler.html

[tardy hornet]

ah

all good i just wanted to know where that price was lol

whats the used market looking like?

[winged summit]

Someone please make a morph4k expansion card the outputs analog instead of input, so it takes direct video and do the hdmi things scalers do with direct video, and on the expansion card it feeds a ep94z1e and gives us analog out at the same time and both toslink and analog audio

[winged summit]

Which device is this?

[dense umbra]

It's fixed on the QMtech board as I have mine running with ARC to the soundbar etc
I don't have a Taki board to compare but someone the other day stated they still have to use a CEC blocker

[dense umbra]

A CEC inline blocker is only about £10 on Amazon

[limber token]

It’s a 170x170 PCB for the de10. Was introduced in 2021 iirc.

[limber token]

True, I showed the picture only for the abilities

[dense umbra]

It's just a byproduct of the DE10 being a dev board, it was never designed for home AV integration

Same reason why the HDMI on it is not electrically isolated, so the board can partially power up just from HDMI power if used with a HDMI switch or splitter

[sharp pulsar]

Or powered hdmi to vga converter!

[faint imp]

Batch 3 pre-orders are on again

[dire merlin]

I ordered 150

[faint imp]

Scalper

[winged summit]

Ok, interesting, any recommended cec and power blocker for cheap?

[sharp pulsar]

I honestly still do not really know what CEC is or why I should block it, sorry 😢

[solid stratus]

Best keep it that way.
It’s a mechanism for HDMI devices to order each other around, eg on an Xbox you can ask it to enable CEC then options to “power on the tv when Xbox powers on” and “switch to Xbox’s hdmi input”, power off sync too.
Which would be fine, but most setups with more than one CEC device active (plus the TV) it never ever works right and just makes things more annoying, not nicely automated and reactive.
And the DE10 has a defective HDMI circuit that floats the CEC pin at the wrong voltage, which can also fuck things up even more.

If it’s not troubling you, don’t mess with it.
If plugging in a DE10 or Taki board fucks up your working setup, grab a CEC-less adapter or cable to stop it doing that. They just cut pin 13 on the hdmi cable (which you can do yourself by removing the contact on the cable end)

[sharp pulsar]

Interesting. My switch can turn the tv on and change its input

[solid stratus]

If it suddenly stopped working like that when you plug in a MiSTer, now you know why and how to fix it

[dire merlin]

CEC also has a mechanism for remote sharing, but I bet that functionality is even more of a cross-vendor mess than simple power on/off already is

[solid stratus]

Surprised me hugely when I accidentally used my PS4 controller to drive an app running on the TV without thinking.

[sturdy orchid]

We’re making an expansion card that does that, the “Analog Crosspoint”. It has dual video ADCs so it can take input from composite, svideo, component, scart, vga, in addition it has a high speed DAC

The idea being that you feed the morph 240p-ish hdmi input, from a mister or one of our RetroGEM mod kits and you get a good quality single analog output.

The Analog Bridge expansion card is the same thing except no dac. That goes up for pre-order this month. Crosspoint is next after that.

[winged summit]

Not sure if I’m understanding you correctly, you mean this card can act as both input and output for analog?

[sturdy orchid]

Yes. Analog input and output, hdmi input and output

There’s different input connectors that you can pair with it. Sorry not trying to spam, just trying to show how it works.

[winged summit]

Superinteresting, thanks for sharing! Reading the website I got the impression only analog input was being worked on

[prisma fjord]

Not spam at all! Super explanatory and fun to see some more photos

Looking forward to checking them out and shooting them on cam when they are out

[winged summit]

Those audio outputs are dual analog/digital?

[sturdy orchid]

One of them is dual analog/digital input

[winged summit]

Lemme rephrase my question: any way to output toslink audio?

[sturdy orchid]

I don’t think so, you would need to route audio through an extractor

Could possibly mod it in but that’s very fine pitch soldering

[high umbra]

These look nice. Can it downscale?

[sturdy orchid]

Downscaling isn’t currently supported, and it’s not planned as a launch feature. It’s something I’m interested in working on though and on paper the hardware we’re using is capable of it.

[high umbra]

Have you figured out pricing yet?

[cinder crane]

For a layman like me, is the analog bridge just a drop in installation for the morph4k?

[sturdy orchid]

The analog bridge will be $100, crosspoint will be more expensive since along with the extra hardware it will require quite a bit of software development

[cinder crane]

what’s cross point?

[sturdy orchid]

You just need a screwdriver and at least one hand

[sturdy orchid]

Analog input and output all in one

[cinder crane]

Awesome, I don’t know what I’ll do with my other hand though.

[winged summit]

💪

[cursive crypt]

Play some switch games

[dire merlin]

hell yeah 'saucy scenes'

[tranquil whale]

Guys, Is the 128MB SD Ram sold by Retro Remake compatible with other Mister build, example MisterAddons, QMTech etc?

[faint dune]

Yep

[faint imp]

Yes

[tranquil whale]

Thanks!

[cinder trout]

anyone know offhand if anyone made a video for the assembly of the Batch 1 taki case?

[chilly shale]

its pretty simple, start with the bottom screws and nuts, then build up

[winged summit]

Taki did 😂

The video linked in the RR website hace a section about that IIRC

[cinder trout]

ok cool, I'll take a look

Also, I'm new to SNAC and just plugged a SNES pad into the adapter with level shifter and I can't get it to work with the SNES core 🤔

I'll have to try it on my regular MiSTer

[chilly shale]

i think you have to enable snac in the core menus

[cinder trout]

@chilly shale oh yeah, I know about that and did it, but no dice

should’ve mentioned I did that

didn’t work on my DE-10 either, so I’m guessing it’s gotta be something with the SNAC board or the level shifter board

[chilly shale]

or the controller itself if you havent tested that

[cinder trout]

the B button on my controller was reacting as “Down” when I loaded up Gradius 3, but it wasn’t when I loaded up SMW

yeah, I should try another controller too

[chilly shale]

could be the socket on the adapter, those arent exactly original quality

[cinder trout]

yeah the fact that the B button worked briefly is interesting…I might reach out to Taki’s support and see…this MiSTer is going to a friend and fortunately I don’t think the SNAC was something they were too worried about

[slow skiff]

Mine's been stuck at Canadian Customs for 6 days or so now with no clue when that'll get through, THANKS CANADA POST! lol...

No joy before January I guess

[dense umbra]

The pins of the port on the adapter can cause issues.
They can have variations in the pin thickness

Cheap third party ports are the only option these days though

[slow skiff]

I have an odd feeling that the WIFI/BT combo (thanks @faint imp !) and the MT-32 Pi (both ordered nearly a month later) will arrive before the Mister Pi kit lol

[crude kernel]

Printing the commodore card reader, can't wait to get tapto set up

[zinc spoke]

One thing about that reader, the cards aren't super easy to pull out.

It's cool, though

[viral perch]

Are Taki’s MiSTer A/V Pro v9.2 and 128MB SDRAM compatible with DE-10 nano?

[faint imp]

Yes

Both are produced as per original designs from sorg

[zinc spoke]

I've been kinda wondering if the Blisster folks are gonna make one that works with the MiSTer Pi. Would be an interesting option.

I think the current one wouldn't work because of the assumption of how it's powered

Though I guess you can add a DC barrel jack to the MiSTer pi if you really wanted to

[high umbra]

I can't see any benefit

For the community

[faint imp]

Just discovered today that that adapter doesn’t play nice with 5G WiFi networks (at least in my case). So make sure you configure it with a 2.4g network name or, if you have the same ssid for both frequencies, make sure to add the following option to your wpa_supplicant.conf file:

freq_list

[faint imp]

I hope Blisster folks don’t make MiSTer related hardware ever again! 🙏

[zinc spoke]

I feel like I missed something, what's wrong with it? The LLAPI thing doesn't sound like a terrible idea.

[faint imp]

It is. Please believe me.

[dense umbra]

I believe only UltimateMiSTer produces the boards and updates the LLapi cores now

[zinc spoke]

I mean, more details would be interesting at least, I'm a software engineer

[dense umbra]

LLapi relies on forked cores. Its not supported officially by the project

[zinc spoke]

Okay, fair enough, but that doesn't sound like the IDEA is bad, just that the support required can be fiddly if it doesn't get official support

[dense umbra]

There isnt much to gain over using USB adaptors though

[zinc spoke]

I mean, the USB protocol is going to have overhead...

I'm sure there's SOME overhead to the extra API layer, but I don't know if anybody's done the comparison.

[dense umbra]

and LLapi has a overhead. Its not like SNAC

[zinc spoke]

Especially if it's supported by the updated core itself.

Like, I get the frustration if the support isn't what it needs to be.

I'm just wondering if it was a conceptual flaw or just a followthrough/support problem

[dense umbra]

Daemonbite code is only 0.74ms on average using a cheap arduino and needs no special support

[faint imp]

There’s some drama attached to LLAPI and having forks is generally considered a bad idea in the MiSTer community

[dense umbra]

LLapi was closed source i believe was the big issue

[zinc spoke]

I mean, I'd agree that having forks long term isn't really sustainable, though if the idea was good enough, it could potentially be brought into the main core.

Oh, what the heck

Really?

Yeah, that'd kill it. 😛

Like, if you had an open-source API that could be tapped into by a variety of hardware, I could see it being beneficial, but if you're going to only make it work with that one piece of hardware they can go pound sand

[dense umbra]

The is a alternative version of SNAC too which adds two player support, more core support and uses a DB9 socket instead of USB 3 but that using forked cores too

[faint imp]

Yep! The FPGA side of it was always open, but the adapter side was closed. That changes after someone from the community implemented an open source adapter, but before that that person was threatened by Blissbox lawyer (allegedly ulao’s cat).

Sorg said LLAPI is crap and would never reach the main source code so everyone else just dropped it except for some vendors

[zinc spoke]

Adds two player support? Doesn't regular SNAC support two player adapters?

[dense umbra]

Not on all cores

[zinc spoke]

Hmm. I guess for some of the newer hardware they might need more pins than USB3 can provide for direct signalling

[dense umbra]

There is not enough spare GPIO lines for the likes of Sega

[faint imp]

That’s serial implementation just like the SNES controller IIRC?

It’s just shift registers

Not q 1:1 pins to FPGA ios

[zinc spoke]

Saturn, I assume?

[dense umbra]

It uses a extra line and fast polling

[dense umbra]

Megadrive, MS etc

[zinc spoke]

Seriously? That's interesting.

[dense umbra]

some cores have no SNAC controller support too especially on the computer side as the User port is used for other functionality like MT32-pi or serial interface

SNAC was never designed for standard controllers. It was for non standard stuff like light guns

[dense umbra]

There is only something like 6 or 7 spare GPIO lines

[slow skiff]

Oh no lol, at least there’s a config

[zinc spoke]

I think the interesting thing is just that the way Sega implemented their controllers is just to throw a bunch of discrete inputs on them. 😛

[dense umbra]

Its similar to Atari standard wiring just more buttons

You can get adaptors like Timvilles USB 4daptor that supports N64, MD/MS/Atari, NES and SNES using a single arduino based on the Daemonbite code

The only caveat is you cant use NES and SNES at the same time as they share lines

[crude kernel]

Is there any benefit over PSX snac vs the snax alternative?

I'm talking strictly lightgun. I'm fine with using other controls for regular games

[cloud estuary]

for lightgun you strictly care about SNAC, the pico/gp2040 based USB boards are just very low latency and convenient ways to use regular controllers + still have menu optionality / use them globally across cores

the one caveat to that is you can use Guncon 1 with the Reflex Adapt over USB as an all-core gun that's a step up from GC2 over USB (but still a notable step down from Guncon1 on SNAC)

[zinc spoke]

You know... I don't think I actually care about lightgun stuff... because I'm not really a gun person per se. Though I grew up in Texas.

[cloud estuary]

then I would honestly suggest skipping SNAC in favor of good USB adapter(s)

[zinc spoke]

Yeah, I mean, I got the SNAC that came with it, and I've used it a bit.... but primarily I'm using an 8Bitdo SN30 Pro wired.

The SNAC has really been more of a novelty thing than anything.

I also have my 8bitdo arcade stick for arcade titles.

[dull gull]

I tried a 5V2A PSU when I first got my Pi, and it wasn't giving enough power so I returned it and am currently using a USB adapter. is there a compelling reason to spring for, say, the 5V5A PSU that mister addons sells? I know about the step-down thing, but not really what that implies long term

[cinder crane]

More amps means you can handle more things connected to the MiSTer. 4a/5a is more than you’d need, really.

[dull gull]

is it better for the hardware in any way to use a "real" PSU?

[cinder crane]

Nah, just whatever you’re using needs to be supplying the right voltage and amps.

I’ve used the plug the de10 comes with, another plug that did 5v3a, and a meanwell that’s 5v4a. No issues on all of them.

[dull gull]

the USB plug I'm using works perfectly fine, so I guess I'm good lol

[cinder crane]

Yeah, awesome. 👍

[dull gull]

thank you for the answers!

[cinder crane]

My pleasure friend, please ask more questions if you have them. Makes me happy to see so many new friends join us here.

[dull gull]

once I got over the initial hair-pulling of figuring out what the hell I was doing, it's been a joy to use

of all things, the first game I finished on it was EVO Search for Eden

[crude kernel]

I hope the retro frog case with the NFC reader can be downloadable soon. It looks pretty slick

[upbeat gyro]

Just grabbed a 77” LG C3. Oops

Now I really need a retrotink lol

[faint dune]

Yes you do

[high umbra]

The Best Buy deal for $1500? Very tempting. Except, yes it is a gateway to the retrotink

[upbeat gyro]

Yes.

Couldn’t pass it up

I paid $2200 for my 65” C1 lol

Plus they’ll deliver it to my basement for free

And I took their 0% for 24mo. I figured I could spare $65/m

[high umbra]

Yeah it's a great deal. I think i would bite if I had space.

I have a 65" tv in the living room and I don't want to end up trying to move it to the bedroom. It's just too big of a screen for that room.

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah my living room has a 15 year old 50” Panasonic plasma. I couldn’t replace it with anything but an OLED due to viewing angles

So now my 65 C1 will move up here

[high umbra]

Oh crap I have a 50" tv sitting in the garage i still need to donate.

Nice

[upbeat gyro]

The 50 plasma will go to my morning room where the previous owners left a shitty 42” lcd

And the lcd will go to the dump

This plasma still looks amazing

Just wanted bigger in my living room

So this seemed like the play

I wanted a G3/4 for that MRA or whatever it’s called but it’s just ungodly expensive

[high umbra]

Yeah. I just got a cheap 65" for my living room because oleds seemed too pricey in general a few years ago.

The 77" c3 is a deal for sure

[zinc spoke]

I still have a 46" Plasma in my living room that I bought at the end of 2008. It's going strong. Though when it dies, I'm totally going QD-OLED

[patent knoll]

Nice thing about plasma TVs is that they're not too hard to work on and not nearly as dangerous as a CRT. Replacing a few caps on the PSU is usually all it takes.

[dire kindle]

I have'nt used my 21" Trinitron for a few years now but the last time i used it i was not used to the flicker on the image, not sure if thats because of old caps or just how crts are

[verbal spire]

Hi Robby and Kobiyashi, I am having a similar issue, I am able to plug only one controller with the apple charger(5v-2.4A), I have been trying a usb c to c as well it works fine but the mister pi's fan stars to turn and be noisy.

[cinder crane]

Buy a 5v4a power supply.

[verbal spire]

thanks

[cinder crane]

Sorry, I don’t like giving the “buy more shit” as a solution but in the MiSTer’s case it’ll really eliminate a lot of accessory weirdness and it’s a really cheap investment.

[verbal spire]

I only can find 5V-3A usb-C charger though ...

[cinder crane]

That’s probably more than enough, go for that.

Just don’t expect to have multiple controllers plugged in along with a rotational hard drive at the same time lol.

[verbal spire]

well then I guess this is what I was using (see the pink image), It was working fine with multiple controllers, the fan was just rotating a lot and a bit noisy but it is normal right ?

[faint dune]

raspberry pi 5 chargers are 5v5a (Robby, of all people, should know this) which will definitely keep you in good power

[cinder crane]

Dunno, I don’t have a MiSTer Pi.

[faint dune]

There is a jumper you can adjust for that

[cinder crane]

omg really

Damnit someone gave me the Pi role again lol

[faint dune]

Flip that jumper (to where it is in the picture)

reduces the fan voltage from 5v to 3.3

[verbal spire]

sweet ! Do you mean it will stay at 5v but reduce the amp to 3.3 ?

[faint dune]

it reduces the power only to the fan

[cinder crane]

Ohh look at that

[faint dune]

not the rest of the system

[faint dune]

I only know this because I plugged a rp4 power adapter into my 5 when I got it and it was like “nah, this ain’t cutting it”

[verbal spire]

I guess mine is buried under the ram, I just have to pull it right ? my mister Pi came pre assembled, I am new to this. switching the fan to 3.3v will make the fan slower and generate a little bit more heat ?

[faint dune]

not under the ram, but under that L shaped board (the one that says MiSTer on it). That pops right off and it's under there

[verbal spire]

Indeed, I have found it, so the jumper needs to be pulled off and shifted to the left ?

[faint dune]

yep!

the way it is in my picture is the low power mode

[oblique drum]

Does the stock fan that comes with the pi support 3.3v?

[stray shore]

Yes.

[verbal spire]

The fan got much more quieter now, thanks Jesus !

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/EPpi.gif

[tardy hornet]

Almost want to get a heatsink and set the fan to 3.3v

[oblique drum]

Wait. Does the pi come WITHOUT a heat sink?

[faint dune]

yeah, no heatsink

[tardy hornet]

https://www.caminventions.com/2020/01/terasic-de10-thermal-observations/ should honestly be fine with only the fan...

[cinder crane]

Should be fine without a fan or a heatsink but id rather pay the few bucks they cost for peace of mind

For those new to FPGAs these things were built to operate without any form of cooling in factory settings. But minimizing heat extends the life of the product and cooling elements cost so little you might as well.

[faint dune]

What heatsink are people using?

[oblique drum]

Porkchops amazing aluminum armor. 😎 but I'll stick my old heatsink on the pi then when it arrives.

[dire kindle]

Hopefully the aluminium armour will be available for the Mister Pi some day

[faint dune]

it is the best heatsink. but what size headsink should I buy for my pi?

Like do I want a 22 or 20mm one?

[faint imp]

You want the 20x20x6mm

[oblique drum]

My mister came with a 20x30x10mm heatsink. It was a real sketchy prebuild one and I exchanged everything but the ram and de10 by now. Guess I'll see whether it fit's the pi.

[faint imp]

I think a 10mm height heatsink will clash with the fan screws on the MiSTer Pi. 6mm is just perfect and I didn’t have to deal with that.

[oblique drum]

Yeah I'll see. The pi is just a gift anyway, so it won't bother me much if the fan is a bit louder as I'll give it away.

[cinder crane]

I really need to get a MiSTer Pi

It’ll be my friend’s Christmas + Birthday present.

[oblique drum]

Don't forget to make a stupid wallpaper for him!

[cinder crane]

That is a really good idea. You also can’t change it without a keyboard + he’s never gonna SSH into it or take the SD card out so he’ll be stuck with it lmao.

When do Mister Pi units go up for sale usually?

[zinc spoke]

When they become available. 😛

[oblique drum]

I ordered one from batch 3 a month ago and hopefully it'll ship January/February.

[cinder crane]

Basically I just need to buy the base + acrylic case?

[zinc spoke]

Is the Batch 3 preorder sold out? I know Batch 3 was going to be quicker than Batch 2 because of all the delays with Batch 2.

[cinder crane]

Yeah it’s sold out - https://retroremake.co/products/mister-pi-retro-gaming-fpga-board-mega-pack-batch-3-preorder

[zinc spoke]

I mean.... the acrylic case would not work well for just the base board

That's for the whole pack.

Like, the base board will do the essential stuff... If you don't mind limited USB ports... But you know, you can use your own USB hub there

As far as cases go... I don't know what's out there for just the base board.

Well... Base board + Fan hat I guess

[cinder crane]

I know Todd does a nice case, maybe I buy that.

[zinc spoke]

The case would work if you got the base board & the USB hub board

[cinder crane]

The link I posted is basically the whole shebang without a case, right?

[zinc spoke]

But it'd just have some empty ports and the buttons wouldn't work

Yeah.

Well, and you still need a power adapter.

[cinder crane]

Right

[oblique drum]

But it's usb c powered

[cinder crane]

Ok was just going to ask lol

Alright so Porkchop for that

[zinc spoke]

Yeah, as long as you have a decent USB power brick you're good. Like... what was it, 3 amp, or just 2 required?

[oblique drum]

Your friend very probably has a matching power adapter in a drawer.

[zinc spoke]

Yeah, you can use old USB power bricks, they work better than the new PD ones, actually

[oblique drum]

2 is fine if you don't attach too much. 3 is beefy and 4 is all you could ever want.

[cinder crane]

Probably but he’s not very tech savvy, easier if I just give him everything in one go.

[oblique drum]

You know him best. I'll clone my sd card so my friend is all set up and I don't have to do everything ground up.

[vital mica]

This will also then draw less power leaving more for plugged in peripherals right?

[faint dune]

i mean...........sure? I cannot imagine it will make a difference tho

[vital mica]

I'm very happy my dad left his reading glasses here

[oblique drum]

If that makes a difference you need a better psu anyway imo.

[faint imp]

Made 12 new TapTo/Zaparoo cards for my kids for Christmas 🎄

They love browsing the cards haha

[vital mica]

What are these?

[faint imp]

Daze before Christmas
James pond II
Sonic 3
Topgear
Columns
Mercs
Lion king
Tom and Jerry
Contra III
Adventure Island
Little Nemo
Little Samson

A mix of NES/SNES/Genesis games

In case you’re asking about TapTo: https://wiki.zaparoo.org/Main_Page

They have a folder with more than 70 cards/games already 😅

They love it!

[vital mica]

That is so cool... yah never heard of Zaparoo. What a fun idea!

[cinder crane]

Dude, youre such a cool dad. Wish my kids were into the MiSTer lol.

[vital mica]

Yah your kids are having fun now but down the line when they get older they will realize how truly cool and special it is that you took this kind of personal time and effort to make such uniuque gifts

[faint imp]

Haha! I’m just so glad they have no idea about how to browse the Fullsets and stumble upon inappropriate games such as x-man from Atari 2600 🤣

Zaparoo is just a blessing! They love it

This is what their collection look like as of today

[civic badge]

Super cool!!!

[tardy hornet]

Hmm see 21x21x5 on digikey....

[faint dune]

I bought these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HLX8ZKN

[tardy hornet]

Oh nice thanks

[faint imp]

That should do it as well

[cinder crane]

Do we know when we can order the next batch or is it just random?

[tardy hornet]

Well... Batch 3 won't be done until Jan/Feb

[faint imp]

I have a batch 2 sealed turbo pack with extra sdram. Can send you for the same price I paid + shipping

[tardy hornet]

So my guess is sometime after that

[faint imp]

Too many Pies here already 😅

[cinder crane]

Oh shit really

[tardy hornet]

In the US? Might be worth jumping on considering how USPS is offloading to third parties more

And how said third parties are becoming nightmares to deal with

Lol

[faint imp]

Absolutely. I’m PA based. Lemme know if you are interested

[cinder crane]

Hell yeah I’m interested! PA as in Pennsylvania?

[faint imp]

Yep

[cinder crane]

I always thought you lived in Brazil lol

[faint imp]

I did until 2022 🙃

[gentle remnant]

what am i doing wrong. im playing rondo of blood. i have auto save on. I play for awhile got to level 3. save and end. press f12 for osd is says saving. and there is no save. Ive done this three times now

snes works. arcades work. I just cant get this one to save

[queen onyx]

I haven't tried booting yet, trying to figure out the usb situation, but I now have my ironclad lite. What were you curious about?

[faint imp]

Wondering if it powers just fine! Is the USB the only hurdle? How are you resolving it?

[queen onyx]

I'll let you know regarding power when I get there, been fighting my case for a bit.

With USB, it's just a bit of an issue because although I got the compat kit, the mt32-pi pro hat addon conflicted height-wise due to the full size usb next to the network adapter. I'm shimming the hat higher with some washers I have, hoping it still is making good connection.

This didn't come with an instruction kit, and I'm new to Mister stuff (even more so to boards like this), I assume in theory I should just plug in a PSU barrel jack to the Ironclad Lite and it should power the mister through gpio or whatever?

[faint imp]

Oh you got the compatibility kit! When you have a chance, do you mind sending a picture of the USB adapter? Thanks! 🙏

[faint imp]

Thanks! So it connects to the regular connector that goes to the 3-pin header on the main PCB right?

[queen onyx]

It actually doesn’t, there’s a microusb on the bottom. It’s kind of weird.

So on the left there is a new micro USB. I assume it's the same but also the header bridge is in there and gets snapped off.

So there's now a USB Micro plug to socket cable. The plug end goes into the the adapter I linked above that has a Micro-B socket, and the socket end goes into the micro plug on the board on the left up there.

[faint imp]

Gotcha! This is a new revision of the Ironclad Lite which is compatible with both the MiSter Pi and the QMTech board!

Wondering if the first models are compatible with the MiSter Pi (I have a spare one that I wanted to use with the Pi)

[queen onyx]

Successful power on 🙂 I’ve still got a lot to do but pretty happy with the progress. Need to test the functionality…and figure out what to do with the remote control kit in this case.

[faint imp]

I have asked @elfin pendant if the initial revisions of the Ironclad Lite would work with a MiSTer Pi and if there's a way to get the adapters somehow without having to order a new board but didn't get a response yet.

[queen onyx]

I think the answer would be, "in theory, yes" you'd just need to make a custom cable to go from usb-a (or maybe the USB C next to it?) to the existing 4 pinout thing that the normal terasic board uses.

I don't think it'd be hard to try, but I'm lucky enough to not need to.

[faint imp]

Yeah! I will probably make an USB-A to header pins cable for it

[queen onyx]

I don't think there's anything else the mister Pi needed here, though d3fmod is obviously the expert having made the darn thing and me having all of a couple of hours tinkering with them haha.

[faint imp]

Thanks for providing the pictures! Hope you enjoy your new setup! The Ironclad Lite is rad!

[queen onyx]

But yeah I'll test out more of the functionality tomorrow and let you know if there's anything obviously broken on my end (which would almost certainly be my fault)

[faint imp]

I think you got everything just right since you've already booted it successfully

[queen onyx]

Thanks, technically most of this setup is going to be a gift to a friend (I have two of these cases, and I'm getting the other one painted for a friend), so this will all be transplanted into that one when it's back from the shop.

But don't worry, I have my own Ironclad coming in another month or so, just ordered it last week.

[queen onyx]

I hope so!

[rich skiff]

Just curious guys.why u eve want to play on a flat new tv with hdmi ?im new to the mister scene and what i dont understand is when u want to play on a new flat tv then u have awful graphics or not?

And imput lag is much worse on it or not?

I play on crt but like i said im just curious

[wary turret]

I am also a tubeman and play games from this era almost exclusively on crt but I think it’s for convenience and screen size for most people

Not everyone has space or the will to put a CRT in their main living area. Personally I think there’s always space somewhere for a 14-20” on like a desk or something if that’s true but the smaller sets can be harder to find I suppose

Oh and there’s this weird group of people who like “sharp pixels” who probably came of age in the emulation era that I like to pretend don’t exist because it’s too horrifying to think about 😜

[rich skiff]

Lmao

Yeah

I mean its its just personal taste but i dont like sharp pixels 😂

Its nice to get a crt tv almost for free in my area haha

[wary turret]

Yeah if you’re patient and watch FBM near me you can still get good TVs for free or cheap. I think a lot of the whining about cost is legit regional scarcity but also some of it is just not being patient.

[oblique drum]

I don't mind sharp pixels if it fits the game but I grew up with only a gameboy which never had a crt look to it.

[sharp pulsar]

Flat screen graphics are cromulent

If you find it distracting, you’re not concentrating on the gameplay enough 😇

[faint imp]

https://www.timeextension.com/features/mister-pi-is-our-pick-for-the-best-retro-hardware-of-2024

I can’t agree more! 👍

[oblique drum]

Aren't mister gamers elitist and cultist?

[winged summit]

Only the ones with Sony PVMs

[faint dune]

can't even run dreamcast gmaes

[cinder crane]

Only us fortunately.

[cinder crane]

The Raspberry Pi 5 can!

[winged summit]

nor The Outfoxies. Maybe Robby is right about the raspi… 🤔

[oblique drum]

https://youtu.be/gyKkc77UYxA?si=rqo0zAB-sL0iyA5y

Then there is a video about just the two of us. ❤️

[tardy hornet]

Lol

[dull gull]

I got my mister specifically to play on my CRT. it's in a room with my PC in it so if I want to play on the big OLED, I'd rather just use an emulator

[oblique drum]

Just get a second mister for the oled if it comes to that.

[dull gull]

there are some really nice CRT filters these days

[patent knoll]

I prefer my CRTs too, but the MiSTer at 1080p with HDR looks pretty good on an OLED. Nice brightness boost if using scanlines. Just need a 240hz one for that motion clarity (just kidding - CRTs 4ever)

[oblique drum]

I like it even better with direct video through an rt4k. The scaling options and motion adaptive deinterlacing are impeccable. Not to mention the real crt effects.

[dull gull]

I should hope it's great for how much that damn thing costs lol

[oblique drum]

Once you've really gotten into mister and dropped all your worldly commitments like family and hobbies it's a small price to pay. 🙏

[tranquil whale]

Can we use this size of heatsinks to replace the QMTech fan as well?

[faint dune]

I believe so. But the QMTech fan just unscrews from the heatsink

so you don't need to replace the whole thing

you can just unscrew the fan

[faint dune]

Starting this now, but I'm excited for them to describe every community on the internet but pretend it's limited to us

Why does it start with 90 seconds of nature footage

[oblique drum]

I never watched it tbh. In my experience the community is very inclusive and data driven. Mister really just is that neat. And I get it that the price point was higher without the pi, but that's at least a factor everybody can judge for themself if it's worth it.

[faint dune]

A wild @spiral sierra appears!

Nah, I can't watch 20 minutes of this dude

[oblique drum]

Welcome to the club. 🤣 the vid gets posted sometimes just for the meme factor. Nobody should watch it.

[faint dune]

where is my dislike button

[queen onyx]

I have a retrotink and a C2 display so there shouldn’t be too much lag, and if I want I can make it look relatively close to a crt. As for owning a real CRT I’m not sure I’ll ever prioritize owning one again. They just take up too much space.

[rich skiff]

I got a extra room for a crt and retro stuff

Obly usr a tv with pc when i play more demanding stuff

[faint dune]

I use Kuro's JVC D profile on my CX with the tink4k. 8ms of lag at 4k

[queen onyx]

Yeah that’s pretty acceptable to me.

[digital estuary]

Got my miniature domed jewels in for the @lyric gull designed case im having resin printed.

They arent the higest quality prints but it was like $3 shipped its TINY at 19mm wide.

[gentle remnant]

bump

[faint dune]

I found that for rondo you had to die until you get a gameover

and then you can save and quit

and then you can OSD save

[tardy hornet]

His response though...

Lol

[faint dune]

he’s not very canadian

feels like he needs a little……freedom

🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

[gentle remnant]

oh i died plenty my friend

even if i dont exit the game and choose save after dying. it goes to konomi screen and no user.

if i go to OSD it says saving. I go play again till i die. repeat. same thing

[patent knoll]

I've got a working save file for Rondo. I can check it out later.
Only thing I can think of is your config file might need deleted and reset to default values, then turn on autosave again.

[faint dune]

Yeah, that’s the only thing I can think of. I finished rondo for the first time this year so I know the saving works

[gentle remnant]

will do. delete the config file and any save data and try again. im going to get real good at the first 3 levels

does anyone know a game that saves really early i can test on rather than play for ano hour

[faint dune]

Just play the prologue of rondo and die

Fight death, die to first skeleton, choose save and quit

Then save via the osd

Reload and see if your save is there

[dense umbra]

You can tell he got a review sample if you consider QMtechs board was first to market, similarly priced, first to add integrated SDram and is an open source design unlike Takis ...

Time extension on the ball as usual

[slow skiff]

I can't understand if it's a good or a bad thing, or what this comment was in support or not of Mister Pi lol... I'm probably too noob to get the nuances.

[dense umbra]

Don't worry Time Extension is just a repeater site with very little content and this article is just a feeler to make sure he gets review units of Takis other future products

Merry Christmas 🎁

[slow skiff]

Oh I see... damn, I want free review units too hahaha (jk, I am sure I will be barely able to run my unit ONCE IT FREAKING GETS HERE)

I've followed Mister project for 4-5 years, so have general familiarity to the overall concept, but never made the jump until the cloners came out... but it's been stuck in delivery and then customs hell for almost 1.5 months now (Canada's Post Office was on strike, and I foolishly picked 4PX to save a few bucks)... SUPPOSEDLY it will get to me by the end of the week though... I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions once it gets here.

[dense umbra]

4PX is usually pretty good but it is silly season

[slow skiff]

Compounded by the fact that our national postal went postal for a month... only went back to work since last Tuesday

[dense umbra]

The DE10 Nano was a much better price up until early 2021 around £95+vat

[slow skiff]

MMhmm... I almost pulled the trigger a few times, but it's always been ONE or ANOTHER component that was in short supply... and when everything became more stable around 2022... DE-10 Nano went bananas price-wise

Mister Pi and other cloners’ draw, plus PSX and N64 cores being more mature was… strong enough for me to finally bite the bullet and do it

[dense umbra]

Yeah and it will only get better with Takis custom consoles and handheld

The flagship console is the interesting one as MiSTer is supposedly only 1/3 of the product

[slow skiff]

Yeah still can’t believe they were not overhyping, and actually fully delivered on all their promises and more… I had the “this is too good to be true” kind of reaction, which is why I’m on Batch 2 instead of jumping onboard immediately

[untold python]

Have a problem with my MiSTer Pi. Have a DualSense (ps5 controller) and switch controller pro attached, both wired, via usb.
Seems that the Pi can only power one of the two. The DualSense loses connection as soon as I plug the Switch controller. Also, even if I only attach the DualSense, it disconnects sometimes. Even after replugging it won't anymore. Only after a hard reboot it works again. Any thoughts?

I use this power adapter:

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/GeeekPi-Raspberry-5V-4A-Adapter/dp/B0CF44S2HG

[faint dune]

I can test it later today. You’ve tried different port combos, I imagine.

[untold python]

Great thanks. Yes I have, but same result

[faint imp]

Make sure you don’t use the USB-A from the Pi itself

[untold python]

Yeah am aware of that, I only use the 6 usb-A's on the long edge

[faint dune]

Can confirm that there is something about those two controllers on the mister Pi. my dual sense is very tempermental, even without plugging the other controller in

I can't test on a real de10nano because i have a bunk retrocastle USB hub and my mister addons de10nano is buried in the av rack

But on my QMtech stack, both can be connected via USB without issue

annecdotally, when plugged into a usb hub on my retrocastle de10nano (which is the only way to get the usb hub board to recognize most USB devices), dual sense does the same thing as when plugged into a mister pi. Feels like a power issue.

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[untold python]

Cool thanks for testing. I have a de10 nano, so will run some tests soon and report. Also will try other controller combo's

[cinder crane]

knowing what I know, you’re 100% on point lol

[zinc spoke]

*en pointe

[slow skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/ballet-dancer-dance-dancing-gif-8030822

[slow skiff]

He was actually using the correct term hahahaha
You confused me for... a minute, thinking I used it all wrong my entire life.

🤣

Enough that I had to run to search bwahaha

[zinc spoke]

Well, there's a fair bit of overlap, actually. I think people just default to "on point" because the meaning is a bit broader.

[slow skiff]

There's zero overlap, unless you're saying that a ballerina's "en pointe" is "on point" hehe

[zinc spoke]

The design of the room was en pointe. Every detail was perfectly harmonized.

This would be an example of overlap

[slow skiff]

No, that means the room is on STILTS, the author used it wrong lol

[zinc spoke]

No, it's meant to convey grace/poise/precision

[slow skiff]

Still not an overlap though, it means elegant.
While On Point is "well put together" not necessarily "elegant"

[zinc spoke]

Are you seriously trying to argue that language is that precise that there's no overlap? 'cause BS

[slow skiff]

But I'll concede that there are very slim overlap hah

[slow skiff]

Dude, just typing a reply hah

Argument still stand though, the statement by Robby can't be used with "en pointe"

[zinc spoke]

One could make an argument, but it's certainly not appropriate for me to correct him

[slow skiff]

Though, I would love to see @cinder crane be en pointe hehe

[zinc spoke]

I thought there was also a fencing reference in there somewhere, and there may be one that's adjacent, but I"m not finding a reference, so... 🤷

[slow skiff]

That's true, but I can't remember if it's en point or en pointe and I can't search now since I'm about to drive to a (shudder) dinner at the in-laws

[zinc spoke]

Eh, beats being alone like I am today. Daughter with the ex

[slow skiff]

One of those days huh

ok gtg

[slow skiff]

Honestly prefer to be alone than be at in-laws hah

Grass always greener on the other side obv

[zinc spoke]

Would you prefer not to be married?

[slow skiff]

Thought has occasionally crossed my mind, then I remembered that I then wouldn’t have my son… so that thought was fleeting haha

[zinc spoke]

If you ever think that, figure out why and work on it or you'll end up either miserable or alone

[slow skiff]

Naw, it’s mostly the in-laws hah, and I’m sure my wife thinks the same for my parents heh

[vital mica]

I have a Kong 2 I got for Switch that seems to work OK even with what I guess is a weak supply. Old standard Samsung phone charger. I wonder what it is about the pro controller. I had some issues but it was fixed by changing what one of them thought it was.

Also thanks again to the folks who pointed out the fan speed fix. So much quieter and still seems to run pleanty cool

[cinder crane]

En garde! 🤺

[slow skiff]

Can you put on some ballet hard shoes please?

[untold python]

Ok ran some tests on de10.

Plugged in two switch controller pro's, one dualsense (ps5) and dualshock 4 (PS4). Works perfectly fine when playing super Bomberman 2 on SNES core (with multitap).

Then tested on the Pi. Replaced GeekPi adapter with power switch for a normal Samsung power adapter that outputs 5v2a. And all works fine then as well with four controllers.

Lastly tested again with GeekPi adapter. The two Switch Pro controllers plus DS4 work fine together, but somehow the DualSense can't draw enough power it seems. As I said not even when it's the only controller attached. Then it works most of the time, but still turns off sometimes

Conclusion, problem probably stems from the GeekPi adapter. While in theory it should be sufficient looking at the specs

[faint imp]

The on/off switch of the GeekPi is probably the culprit

These tend to cause voltage drop for some reason

[untold python]

Ah right expected something like that. Do you reckon it is still safe to use with the Switch Pro controllers and DS4? Or rather stick to the Samsung adapter

[faint imp]

It should be safe to use it with works with it.

Have you considered using a BT adapter with it?

There are good cheap ones that work with several controllers simultaneously

[untold python]

Yeah I have used the BT adapter (BT/wifi combo) that came with the first batch. But noticed some connection drops at times to the point it gets annoying. Also I use the Pi at a flatscreen which has some lag of itself already.
But perhaps you know a good BT adapter that supports multiple controllers?

[faint imp]

I just found this on AliExpress: $3.53 | 600Mbps USB Bluetooth 5.0 Wifi Adapter Dual Band 2.4G 5G Wi-Fi Dongle Antenna USB Ethernet Network Card Receiver for PC
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKTtppD

Get the one with the antenna

It’s super cheap and surprisingly good

[untold python]

Looks good, thanks!

[dire kindle]

I was just catching up on some retrorgb videos and thought bob was a little harsh here, just because Taki didn’t change the name

[wary turret]

Yeah I stopped watching Bobs content after a few weird biased things like this over the last couple years or so. It’s fine he isn’t the news and doesn’t have to be unbiased or avoid shilling but I don’t have to watch it either

[dire kindle]

Agreed, I bought a Mister Pi because it’s a mister fpga device, who really cares about the name. I’m sure Taki is that busy he doesn’t always remember what he says…

[wary turret]

Oh my opinion is also the name is very dumb 😜 But I don’t think that means Taki can’t be trusted. I mean I wouldn’t go to him first for name ideas

[dire kindle]

Couldn’t have said it better myself, I don’t have my mister pi yet but outside of here it will be known as mister fpga 🤣

[wary turret]

Yeah we should normalize dropping the pi before people start calling all misters mister pi

The only reason to mention the pi part is for IO board questions really

Just like any mister hardware variant

[dire merlin]

I do like when he did a twitter poll for the new name and then didn't change the name. and I'm not even being sarcastic there

a masterclass in 'yall need to stfu' twitter engagement

[dire kindle]

What was the name people preferred in that poll?

[dire merlin]

I don't remember

[dire kindle]

I prefer the mister pi name, “ I don’t remember “ seems too long

[dire merlin]

partial to SuperSPGA myself

[wary turret]

That name is up for grabs now that Sega is super cool with the project

[faint imp]

https://tenor.com/view/burla-gif-26720060

Bob ☝️

[winged summit]

Here in Spain we got a referendum to see if we wanted to be part of NATO, “no” won and goverment said “oh well, we are going to join NATO anyway” 😂

[faint dune]

ahh, yeah, I bet thats the problem on mine (the inline switch)

[rich skiff]

New mister pi user here. What do i have to do with the ini file when playin on a crt?

[dire merlin]

oh no, it got another one

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/uEBC.gif

[rich skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-18466013

[dire kindle]

Make a backup because I might be totally wrong as I don’t have a mister pi yet ☺️ I just grabbed this from the ultimate mister vga cable product page

[patent knoll]

Use one of these .ini files depending on your output
https://github.com/misteraddons/mister_ini/tree/main/Analog Video

Svideo or composite will need a special VGA to YC adapter

[rich skiff]

What ini file?my crt got scart output and i usr a vga to scart cable with the mister

I thought i have to set a 0 to 1 in the ini file and thats it u know

[patent knoll]

RGB? Then this one:
https://github.com/misteraddons/mister_ini/tree/main/Analog Video/RGB

[rich skiff]

Should i delete the old ini file on the sd card and replace it with the new one?

[cinder crane]

That’s usually easiest but maybe make a back up first incase you lose any settings you forgot about wanting to keep.

Whenever the ini gets updated, you have to manually add it yourself. Which isn’t often but it’s something to be aware of.

[rich skiff]

Ok

[cinder crane]

As to why we don’t update it automatically, it’s because there’s no real way to append and merge changes. And replacing the ini for the user would be real bad since they’ll lose any custom changes.

[dire merlin]

to be clear there's no need to bother keeping track of ini changes

[rich skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-disney-bunny-rabbit-love-gif-17695876048855972480

[crude kernel]

PS1 snac should be here soon, pretty excited to try it with tapto. I believe that should make it so that no controller will be required

for gun games

[tardy hornet]

I've been using the PS1 classic controller lol

Speaking of PS1.... Noticed that the image is slightly to the right? Anyone else have this issue?

[cinder crane]

I have a special announcement to make!

Thanks to @faint imp I am now part of the Mister Pi club!

Well, temporarily lol. Going to get this set up and ready for my friend’s Christmas + Birthday present!

Ok how do I install Rapsberry Pi OS on this thing?

[crude kernel]

Yeah I noticed that too, more noticay than other cores

[faint imp]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[tardy hornet]

Nice

[faint imp]

Make sure to RAMTest it and check the analog out audio

This is where the fun is

[tardy hornet]

wonder whats going on 🤔

its the only core so far ive run into this issue with

[faint dune]

like the image is shifted right and not centered on non 4:3 screens?

[tardy hornet]

yes

its not right aligned just ever so shifted right

[faint dune]

HDMI? I can check it out when I'm back home

[tardy hornet]

yup

ill hook it up to my hdmi capture tonight

[crude kernel]

I noticed it on my CRT, so no HDMI here. Using analog and it's set to 4:3.
Definitely depends on the set, I have to constantly tweak the apple monitor I have.
But even on my JVC d series, the right side is cut, not much but it's noticable. Other cores are fine

[sharp pulsar]

Heck yeah

I just did up a few new Sega CD cards earlier today

[cinder crane]

what's a good test for dual ram, I mean besides memtest? Is it loading up VF2 on the Saturn core?

[faint dune]

Anything on the jaguar.

[cinder crane]

oh haha, of course. Good point.

[faint dune]

Get those inserts out

[zinc spoke]

Neat. I haven't been putting the console on my cards... but that's because the templates on the designer site don't have all of them and I've been too lazy to try to improve on that. 😛

[cinder crane]

Ok you're my Mister Pi guy, now. Or maybe I said that already I don't know. You're the guy with the knowhow.

For testing analog out, just plug in headphones and that's it?

audio out

[faint dune]

Yeah. Try shadow of the beast 2 on mega cd and the parasite eve intro to test if you won the silicon lottery

[cinder crane]

weird, what happens with those games?

[faint imp]

Shitty audio for some setups. You'll notice right away.

Lots of cracklings and other distortions

[cinder crane]

ok cool, thank you!

[dire merlin]

is this a misterpi thing or a new i/o board thing?

[faint dune]

New io board

Only 9.2 boards based on the stock design

[crude kernel]

Those look awesome. What printer are you using? Mine turned out just okay, I don't have a printer so I used my mom's lol

[cinder crane]

The default build given to Mister Pi owners includes images from my wallpaper collection. That's pretty flattering.

I didn't make those images and I don't think the samurai shodown wallpaper is actually from samurai shodown LOL

I did AI upscale the images and cleaned them up as much as I could to remove jpeg crud though.

[zinc spoke]

Huh. Interesting.... The MiSTer Pi version of MiSTer.ini doesn't have vga_mode or ntsc_mode. Anybody here using S-video or Composite on their MiSTer?

[civic badge]

How do you AI upscale??? Is that in Photoshop or something???

[faint dune]

he asks Siri

[tardy hornet]

no idea why its shifted right

[cinder crane]

I type in “free ai upscale” into google and go through a few sites until I find a good one. No, I’m not joking,

[faint dune]

Looks like maybe a PAL thing?

Left is NTSC. Right is PAL

[dull gull]

Yes this happened when I ran a pal wipeout with forced ntsc

[faint dune]

I'll test it on my tink4ked mister as soon as I am done with this documentation

[gentle remnant]

add them if you need them. You can also get a fresh ini file from mister github. I just saw it recently. didnt bookmark it but i see this in my history
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini
hope this is relevant

[tardy hornet]

Ah yes documentation my worst enemy

[zinc spoke]

Yeah, I added them, it's just weird.

Like, why?

[tardy hornet]

If I'm not working on projects I'm documenting them and it feels like documentation takes up more time than the actual work lol

[gentle remnant]

there are a few quirks on taki's settings but it was a great place to get going

[zinc spoke]

My best guess is that it's based on an earlier fork or something? My concern is that it was explicitly removed because of something weird, but... I guess I'll find out.

[gentle remnant]

maybe he figured less to mess up for us newbs

why the dialog file was corrupted and not fixed ? Busy person

[faint dune]

De10nano > retrotink4k.

So yeah, looks like it’s a thing

I mean a thing not limited to the mister pi

[tardy hornet]

thanks... now its just how to fix it lol

[faint imp]

Generally there’s not a big of an issue if you don’t have a setting explicitly in the .ini as the defaults are generally good ones

[tardy hornet]

@faint dune alright one more thing

dunno if thats normal?

[faint dune]

I dunno what I’m looking at :/. I drive a minivan

[tardy hornet]

the video glitch when switching between vehicles

[vital mica]

I didn't notice until you pointed it out

[faint dune]

Oh the one when you flip to the golf r?

[tardy hornet]

yea

happens on the citroen too

It's not consistent either... It just happens randomly while cycling through vehicles

[faint dune]

what game? I will look right meow

[faint dune]

oh its gt2

I can't reproduce on the pal version (although this game is weirdly left justified?)

[tardy hornet]

on the US version

but also left justified too

lol

[faint dune]

i can't reproduce on either revs

although this is a different mister. are you doing direct video?

[tardy hornet]

nope

[faint dune]

ill try again

[tardy hornet]

restarted and cant reproduce now...

[faint dune]

computers.

[tardy hornet]

though this left/right alignment stuff is kinda funny

lol

[faint dune]

yeah, I dunno what's happening there. Maybe Zakk or Robert know why that's happening

[tardy hornet]

oh

i see

its the 480p hack

that causes the flickering

[faint dune]

ahh

[cinder crane]

What’s the front usb for on the mister pi, the other one

[zinc spoke]

What, on the main board?

It's the regular peripheral port, unless you have the USB hub board mounted below it, in which case it's... decorative? 😛

[cinder crane]

Sorry; this guy:

[zinc spoke]

Yep, that's the one.

The pins that go into the hub board are essentially just hijacked from that port.

Takes it over.

[cinder crane]

Oh wow

[zinc spoke]

So, in your stack.... yeah, decorative. 😛

[cinder crane]

[cinder crane]

Thank you for the answer

[zinc spoke]

I mean, on a regular MiSTer you'd just have an adapter plugged in there, so....

This is.... an improvement?

I printed a case that just covers that port over

[cinder crane]

Yeah, the little micro usb adapter thing

Do you know what the USB C is down there?

[zinc spoke]

You mean the one that says "UART"?

[cinder crane]

Oh oops micro usb

Bottom right

[zinc spoke]

Oh, I think that's just to provide compatibility with the regular DE-10 Nano

[cinder crane]

Ok cool, thank you again!

[zinc spoke]

I feel like there should be a wiki page somewhere. Probably is. Somewhere.

The video overview goes over a lot of it, which is nice

[tardy hornet]

i think there should be a mini guide somewhere on case assembly so people stop asking.... Or at least so when asked we can give a relevant link...

[zinc spoke]

I think some people just do better with schematics. Might not have the patience to watch a video.

[cinder crane]

but what if I’m lazy

[gentle remnant]

heh, it took me longer to put the case on than it did to get up and running

i finally used stickers and layed it all out. somehow i kept getting things flipped

think it took 5 tries

[sharp pulsar]

Epson 16600, usually launchbox db has good images

[vital mica]

This is the case for me 100% by Crom was the case a pain in the freaking ass where as the unit assembly a cakewalk

[whole tangle]

My fan was super loud, I had to switch it over to 3V anyone else experiance Jet turbo fan noise with the arcylic case ?

[faint dune]

yeah, a bunch of folks. swapping the jumper should be in taki's quick start guide

[swift hazel]

Nope, mine has been super quiet, no problems at all

Oh, if that was in the quick start guide then I probably did that from the start tho, oops, my bad

[cloud estuary]

Just got done swapping it, I was commenting how it reminded me of my old CPS2 fanwhine

[gentle remnant]

so quiet I dont even notive it running

[whole tangle]

@gentle remnant My buddies is silent at 5V too. Mine is louder than my Xbox series X playing Indy.

[vital mica]

My series X is completely silent but the 5V MiSTER Pi was anything but very glad I flipped it down

[gentle remnant]

now thats loud

[cursive crypt]

Swap it back and you can tell everyone that not only is your CPS2 core cycle accurate but it is also sound accurate right down to the fan

[dull gull]

I swapped it too

[cinder crane]

I placed a heatsink on the FPGA chip and lowered the fan speed.

[crude kernel]

I must deaf because it doesn't seem that bad

[whole tangle]

I was definitely thinking a heat sink is my next upgrade. Any recommended Amazon links?

[cinder crane]

Any garbo heatsink will do

[vital mica]

So far my MISTER Pi has never even pushed out warm air. No idea why it needs a fan but maybe that is because I am running older stuff

[cinder crane]

The FPGA is rated to run at high temps so cooling is more of a placebo and vendor CYA. But I still recommend people do a fan or heat sink or both because it’s so cheap.

Might as well

[cloud estuary]

While I had the case half apart to change the fan jumper I “fixed” my VGA port issue

Whittled it out a bit with a pocket knife and not my chonky cable fits

[zinc spoke]

I suppose that's one way to do it.

[crude kernel]

I'm not really a huge fan of this case at all, it feels pretty cheap compared to the 3d printed one from retro frog.

However, I'm probably just salty that only turbos were available for the PayPal sale. I would have preferred the mega pack instead!

[glossy dune]

Same here, but I'm just happy to be running update_all again for the first time in ages.

[crude kernel]

I was debating cloning my other misters SD card but I'm not positive what I want to do with this one.

I have a cab that was set up for a vertical game (game was removed but the controls are crt and still in it). I might just keep it for vertical games

[vital mica]

This is what a dremel is for 😝

[cloud estuary]

Pocket knife was in reach : )

[cinder crane]

I wish I had a dremel

[runic pecan]

just take the jug off a blender

[sacred flint]

guess you'll have to wait till christmas next year

[vital mica]

They are pretty damned handy.

[gentle remnant]

deleted all my save data that was related to that game and now it saves perfectly. thanks!

[crude kernel]

I have a little bit of screen tearing at the top after messing around with wallpapers.

Or should I use this classic 😅

[wary turret]

That looks more like vertical foldover or a sync issue

[crude kernel]

My other mister doesn't have that issue. I could just copy the ini and see if anything changes

[wary turret]

Maybe because of some video mode setting to show wallpapers got some weird sync/timing issue

What do you have it set to for [menu] assuming you did an override for wallpaper

[crude kernel]

Let me check quick

@wary turret I think this is what I used, I'm not home right now

[menu]
vga_scaler=1
fb_terminal=1
video_mode=320,8,32,24,240,4,3,16,6048

I need to look up how to get into the service menu too though, could just be the tv

[crude kernel]

"1280,32,128,96,240,4,3,16,24238"

That seemed to be the magical mode list

[slow skiff]

Didn’t realized that batch 2 turbo pack is fully assembled lol

[slow skiff]

Took the tools and stuff out too, oh well lol

And here I thought “Finally, I have a chance to use these overpriced ifixit tools”

Just arrived this morning, but wife wants me to do cleaning now apparently… sigh

[dull gull]

Lol I did the exact same thing

[wary turret]

I’d simply it with the new style video mode config:
[Menu]
video_mode=320,240,60
vga_scaler=1

[chilly shale]

what? thats half the fun of getting a new mister, shame on him

keeping all the fun to himself

[slow skiff]

Time to do the dreaded update_all bwahaha

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

So, I don’t need the snac level adjuster if I just want to plug a snes controller into mister, I can use the snes adapter directly into one of the usb ports on the bottom right?

[patent knoll]

Top USB 3.0 only

[slow skiff]

Heh, 40million wallpapers

[slow skiff]

Trying to be clear, I know if I want to use snac I have to use the user port, but can I plug the snes thing directly into the usb in the bottom and use it that way?

Without the snac level adjuster thing

Noob be full of noob questions sorry

[patent knoll]

Nope - SNAC is wired to serial only, not USB. It just uses the form factor

The SNES SNAC will only work on the SNAC port, and only with the SNES core

[slow skiff]

I see, so it HAS TO work this way?

[slow skiff]

Oh it’s not a generic snac?

[patent knoll]

There is no generic SNAC. It's serial native and talks directly to the FPGA core, like a real controller

Each controller needs its own SNAC adapter

[slow skiff]

Mmhmm, but you can’t use it to control the osd etc

I think it got that right

[patent knoll]

Correct - only the native core can talk to it

You can use any generic USB controller with any core though

[slow skiff]

This cutoff… is in the settings somewhere?

Hmm update_all is faster than i expected

[faint dune]

Don't use the snac adapter without the level shifter

[patent knoll]

Does your TV have an aspect ratio setting for 'just scan'

[slow skiff]

Yeah understood, it’s just a form factor

[faint dune]

Sorry, discord hadn't scrolled for me

Save has you covered

[slow skiff]

That’s why I had the 3:4 set on the second picture, the signal is cut off apparently

[patent knoll]

Try the latest default .ini
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/blob/master/MiSTer.ini

update_all does not update the .ini file

[patent knoll]

Did you turn on the bios and arcade rom getter in the update_all settings?

[zinc spoke]

The way those work is essentially a direct pin mapping of the controller ports to the USB port... Technically you don't HAVE to have the level shifter for the SNAC to work, but the voltages will be off and that can cause problems over time. You have to think of SNAC as just using the USB port as a convenient connector, sort of how some other SNAC adapters use HDMI.

[slow skiff]

I see thanks

[slow skiff]

I think so lol

[slow skiff]

Yeah I remembered, I’m just more confused on the ones included in Batch 2

[zinc spoke]

Why, though?

[slow skiff]

It only took, I think 20min? Maybe less? Wired ethernet tho

[slow skiff]

I mean, it comes in 2 parts so I was confused, I got it now though haha

[zinc spoke]

Well, you can reuse the level shifter for NES and Genesis I think.

[patent knoll]

aw yeah - wired will blast through it

[zinc spoke]

Though I suppose there are some that just wire them together.

[slow skiff]

Side note, if I hard reboot, do I have to re-pair the dualsense on Bluetooth? It won’t control the menu OSD unless I do, or again, did I do something wrong?

[patent knoll]

level shifter is 5v down to the MiSTer's 3.3v. There are several 5v controllers

[zinc spoke]

Well, it's more... shifting the 3.3v up to the 5v the controller wants

[patent knoll]

PSX and N64 are already 3.3v

[zinc spoke]

Controller's not generating voltage. 😛

[slow skiff]

Also… is it supposed to always to be… this festive? lol

[zinc spoke]

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[slow skiff]

And, what’s the difference between the 3 PSX cores?

[patent knoll]

no down - the MiSTer SNAC IN is 3.3v and the controllers get 5v from the DE-10 power pin.

[slow skiff]

It’s NOT just for Christmas… right? lol

[patent knoll]

Then that outputs to the SNAC port

[faint dune]

is that on the included card?

[zinc spoke]

Oh, that's interesting....

[slow skiff]

Update_all victim lol

[faint dune]

that shift core was never on update all

that smells like taki's test bench sd card

[dire merlin]

it's in the 'offline stock' repo

[zinc spoke]

I was wondering about that shift240 one myself

[dire merlin]

which is what he uses to build the sd card, I assume

[faint dune]

from when he was testing the analog audio output

yeah, that sounds right

[zinc spoke]

Guess there's no harm in nuking it, eh?

[slow skiff]

Ok….

[faint dune]

its fine, you can just delete the shift core and the one from april

[slow skiff]

I did built it from his instructions

[faint dune]

you did right

just seems weird he would include those

[slow skiff]

No clue, because the card that comes with it was only 64gb, and I just freshed a 1T

[zinc spoke]

Do you just have to remove the rbf?

[slow skiff]

Huh?

[patent knoll]

the cores are .rbf files

you can put them in other directories if you want

[faint dune]

yeah. just go into the /media/fat/_consoles folder and delete PSX_shift240.rbf and PSX_20240418.rbf (Im guessing on the names but they will be similar to that)

[patent knoll]

anything with an _ will show up the mister menu

[cursive crypt]

What input are you using on the TV?

[slow skiff]

I see, but too lazy to pop the card out RIGHT NOW anyways

[dire merlin]

and the reason update isn't deleting some of those cores is because the repo contains a downloader.json that doesn't match some of the cores

[slow skiff]

Makes sense

[patent knoll]

For the lazy I recommend turning on FTP and SSH

[slow skiff]

Yup that’s is the ultimate route, and put all the roms in a Nas or something… projects for another day

Side question for WIFE… that Bust-A-Move puzzle bubble game… she SWEARS she used to play that in arcades, but I can’t seem to find it in the arcade cores

[patent knoll]

cool - just turn them on via scripts (the FTP and SSH scripts should get pulled with update_all. can't remember if you toggle that)

[slow skiff]

I did, the arcade cores are very populated

[patent knoll]

NEOGEO

[slow skiff]

Arcade?

[patent knoll]

oh sorry - meant there are scripts to enable FTP and SSH (and SAMBA and CIFS)

neogeo is it's own core and you load roms like a console

[slow skiff]

Ah yes, thanks lol

[patent knoll]

you should have them but just in case they are here:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Scripts_MiSTer/tree/master

[slow skiff]

Hmm console are not loaded

[slow skiff]

Hmm that’s WAY MORE scripts than I have

[patent knoll]

it should be just above NES

[slow skiff]

So for NeoGeo, I have to “find them” somehow, and then um “load them” after cores, got it

[slow skiff]

I mean the GAMES are not grabbed lol

Which makes sense obv

[patent knoll]

you will need to download the neogeo roms elsewhere. They won't get pulled via update_all

[slow skiff]

Yeah that’s what I gathered

Arcade itself is more about preservation

[patent knoll]

you should have the neogeo bios at least
people do have some problems sourcing a good neogeo rom set, so make sure you get one people have confirmed works with the MiSTer

[crude kernel]

@cursive crypt component, that's on an alt ini. The main us for a combined sync RGB monitor

[slow skiff]

Shrug, it's all good ultimately, just trying to satisfy wife lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-thats-what-she-said-laughing-gif-20569583

Spent the last 30min messing with 19XX with son, that was a blast

[slow skiff]

NEOGEO can be loaded in ZIP form or not?

Or do I have to unpack them

Oh well doesn't take long to test anyways

huh, inside the zips are c1 c2 etc... wow... they are by CHIPS?

[cursive crypt]

Awesome, I gotta get color wallpapers working

[cinder crane]

Yeah it works with zips just fine

[slow skiff]

I’m so confused lol

[patent knoll]

Check the core's github for some setup help
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer

[slow skiff]

the 2 "neo" files works, the others not so much, so contemplating with converting myself lol

[crude kernel]

Finally dialed in my printer for a half way decent print. Absolutely love the retro frog case

[faint dune]

Todd makes good shit

[rigid eagle]

I don't know why my USB Wifi/BT dongle and USB SSD don't work when plugged into these 2 ports on my MiSTer-Pi. Any ideas?

[faint dune]

They are power only

The 6 on the side and the one below the Ethernet port are the data ones

[crude kernel]

Was the latest PayPal shipment supposed to come with a wifi/Bluetooth dongle?
I saw the snac but I forgot if the SD card was meant to subsidize the wifi option

[faint dune]

Dongle was the batch one exclusive iirc. You don’t really want that thing if you’re looking to use WiFi. It’s finicky

[crude kernel]

@faint dune I kind of guessed that. I haven't bought one because after initial setup, I don't really need to tweak it often enough to need wifi, I'll just hook it up direct

[faint dune]

If you decide to mess with WiFi, this dongle has been rock solid for me https://a.co/d/5g69kFb

[crude kernel]

@faint dune just out of curiosity, is there any reason to go with the added Bluetooth if I don't intend on using it for controller pairing?

I'm just not sure if there is a Bluetooth addon that is a necessity other than controllers

[faint dune]

Nah, just controllers. I’m not even sure if anything else pairs with Bluetooth. Could be wrong though.

[dense umbra]

BT is handy mouse and keyboard too

I share my PC mouse and keyboard with MiSTer

[cinder crane]

Sounds illegal

[dire merlin]

yeah, I already notified the authorities

[dire kindle]

I’ll tell you what’s illegal, no 3DO core

[dire merlin]

3DO cores are banned by the geneva convention

[unreal sonnet]

Does anyone have a proper tutorial to assemble the acrylic case from Retro Remake?

[faint dune]

is the best we have

[unreal sonnet]

figured those nuts were for something

thanks

[cinder crane]

I am having the greatest internal struggle to not make a deez joke right now.

[unreal sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-hedgehog-turning-look-what-gif-26645789

[cinder crane]

🙏😭 sorry!

[unreal sonnet]

its fine lol

[unreal sonnet]

it's complete!

[cinder crane]

Very cool! Is that a HDD below?

[faint dune]

it's its chair

[unreal sonnet]

no, it's a thunderbolt dock for my laptop

maybe one day though

[cinder crane]

That’s pretty cool

[tardy hornet]

hmm

atari jaguar core doesnt seem to work for me...

[faint dune]

Does the bios boot when you load the core?

[tardy hornet]

yea

AvP i get audio for a a moment and then nothing... then reset and i can hear the audio but no video

tried a variety of core builds

12 14 and 18

[faint dune]

Oh that’s…uh….normal. Try 13

I think that’s the one that works on my mister pi

The core is very temperamental because it’s still early in development

So two identical machines might need different versions of the core

Look for my post in the channel with the zip file. Unzip it to /media/fat/_jaguar and just try all of them until you find one that loads AVP

If it can load AVP, it almost assuredly will load anything else

[tardy hornet]

well trying 13

i got a line on the screen and then a freeze lol

so thats an improvement

[faint dune]

There are some in that zip that weren’t posted in the channel because kuba rolled a bunch to test with

[tardy hornet]

and same thing after reset

[faint dune]

Yeah, you’ll find one. I don’t think anyone has gone without finding one in that zip that boots AVP

[tardy hornet]

its weird because its like

they all are really random

[faint dune]

It’s just so sensitive to memory timings that you need to find one that lines up with your particular hardware

[tardy hornet]

i should find that dual ram test rbf just to make sure lol

though the dual ram saturn core works

so i can only guess my dual ram setup works

[faint dune]

If it boots the bios, your ram is fine

Don’t use the jaguar as a quality litmus test for your mister. It’s ridiculously temperamental

[tardy hornet]

oh no yea

i was hoping to mess with it but yea so far ever core i try has been the same

boots to audio only at best

[faint dune]

Yeah, audio means it’s real close

[tardy hornet]

uhoh

[tardy hornet]

just curious if you use this what would cause regular memtest to fail

and now its fine? lol

well at least a game loads so at least im not crazy

[faint dune]

no, you're definitely not crazy

most shit will probably load. Trevor McFur and AVP won't

but everything else will

[slow skiff]

Jaguar is pretty finicky even in physical hardware tbh, I still need to recap my old one eventually

Comparatively, the SNES was seemingly built like a tank (and looked like one too, at least with the NA version)

Side note, I plan to mess with Saturn a bit later this week. The one that comes with Turbo Kit in Batch 2 is a “two chip single ram” right? I’m slightly confused which it is, and mine came pre-assembled so I’m not inclined to open it up to see. Not that I really understand what I’m doing with that anyways. So if anyone has that answer ready on hand, it would be much appreciated.

[dire merlin]

it's single ram. just grab the latest saturn unstable single ram build and you're fine