Mister Pi Users

[faint imp]

Pretty sure it’s the PS5 private encryption key

[dense umbra]

The CL is different on the QMtech boards too

The flash chip just might have been added because the DE10 has one ?

[faint imp]

Probably. The question is: why?

Nothing in the MiSTer ecosystem seems to use it

[untold kayak]

I'm just curious because it seems to have content

[balmy grotto]

If the QMTech board is equivalent to the original MiSTer DE-10 Nano stack, I recommend also pulling down RetroFrog's original design. Both should have matching coordinates and cutting the two step files apart and stitching the parts back together so to speak will probably be the easiest approach to making a QMTech case. Primary changes would be the USB-c in on the back of the case, the 3 USB A ports from the USB Hub on the bottom back of the board. Some of the changes, while unnecessary, should be ok to keep, like the extra support added for the power switch. If I didn't make any mistakes while modifying things, that should be 100% backwards compatible with the original switch holder without any modifications needed

[faint dune]

that's exactly what I'm doing :). I am going to print frog's bottom half with your top half. I needed to adjust the power button and, I think, will need to adjust the height of the snac port (since the qmtech is shorter than the triple stack)

[delicate hazel]

Dont think so

[balmy grotto]

Alternatively, if the whole QMTech stack is overall shorter, you may want to instead raise the 4 posts on the bottom to lift it higher. Otherwise, the 3 top buttons may not be tall enough to protrude from the case.

(and additionally, raise the 3 back USB A ports on the hub)

(well, or make the buttons taller, that would also probably work. The former charges are a better pick in my book since it minimizes the number of parts differences)

[faint dune]

is the best way to figure out how tall it needs to be just use a ruler? or is there a better way? (This is the first thing I have ever done in fusion/bambu's slicer

[dense umbra]

The QMtech board fits fine in Todd's slim case. I printed one to use before QMtech released their USB/IO board
The only thing that didn't work was the SD card extension due to location change of the slot on the board

No analogue video output available on the slim case though

[dense umbra]

Someone explained the use for the chip in the comments on Ken's video and it seems it is there just because the DE10 has it, it has no use for MiSTer

This also explains why QMtech removed it

[delicate hazel]

Mystery solved

[faint dune]

Yeah, I think for this one there needs to be an adjustment though because the height of the snac port hole is expecting a triple stack. I’m not worried about the sd card, but I suppose I could move that hole around too

[wary turret]

Ah boring

Thought maybe it was prep for some secret feature in one of the 7 other products he mentioned

[balmy grotto]

Best tool for the job is usually a digital caliper. You can get one that goes to 150mm for around ~$20

[gritty herald]

Looks like I should have my qmtech setup on Monday. Shouldn’t take long to update a case for it

Haven’t decided if I’m going to offer the same color options as the Taki case or do something different

[faint dune]

my card is ready

any idea when the tapto stuff will be ready?

[gritty herald]

Probably around the same time.

I have a small number of nfc boards on hand and need to order a bunch more

I have parts currently to make maybe 5 or 6 or so

And I haven’t decided on color options for the Tapto cases

It would be easier on me to offer just one color, but I know folks like options

https://x.com/toddsnerdcave/status/1852742347282690249?s=46&t=9hQA-6oHg3yRPmOL8OiljA

Todd Gill - Retro Frog (@ToddsNerdCave) on X

I need help gauging interest and case color options.

Price will be $28 for a complete, ready to use TapTo add-on.

If this is something you are interested in, please hit the like button to help me gauge interest.

Leave a comment about color options and RT to spread the word

Twitter · Nov 2, 2024, 3:59 PM

[upbeat gyro]

Me right now

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carrell-michael-scott-peeking-spying-gif-8222622

Well that was quick.

[faint dune]

I caved and got an x1c

[upbeat gyro]

lol

[faint dune]

I couldn’t escape microcenter

It was right there

[upbeat gyro]

Closest is 90 mins. I ended up paying the $25 shipping but was able to pay with PayPal which is a Chase freedom 5x bonus category right now

So it was a wash and I didn’t have to drive

Shipped from NJ was here in 2 days

[faint dune]

I almost did the same thing because of the PayPal bonus, but there is zero chance I don’t max the 5% back before January

And if I come to my senses in the next 15 days, I can return it

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah I just bought a ps5 pro from Best Buy via PayPal

Think that maxes it

$75 I think. Or whatever that is in ultimate rewards points. 7500? I don’t even pay attention just dump them all to my sapphire reserve

[faint imp]

God bless Jose

[faint dune]

You need to spend 1500 to get the full 75 back

[high umbra]

Easy. Just get a couple retrotinks.

[faint imp]

Taki batch 2 wen

[faint dune]

He just posted an update but I don’t think it had any info

[limber token]

There is more delay now, cause they do the QA now themself inhouse.

They do now also a match with the SDram in the new QA Process. This will slow down also the process, caue i guess most people bought the bundles with ram.

[upbeat gyro]

PS5 pro and $670 from bambu

We good lol

[faint dune]

Yup, checks out

[upbeat gyro]

Well I have a boat

[dense umbra]

Here we go again ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/s/vvCiUHPHhr

Just incase it gets deleted like the last one

[faint imp]

Taki udon might even own Sony or Microsoft, I don’t care, as long as batch 2 is released

Batch 2 wen

[high umbra]

Ha ha yeah idk why it would matter. He also addressed this and said they're not the same company ownership.

[delicate hazel]

It's just comical.

[winged summit]

What is the problem with Retroid?

[delicate hazel]

That's the thing. Even if it was true, what is the problem.

[strong falcon]

Sure

[wary turret]

Yeah I don’t really get the weird investigation into retro remake connections and why it’s relevant

[civic badge]

We’re all just trying to play some games…

[dense umbra]

Yeah it's all very odd

[dapper scroll]

Conspirasy theorist manufacturing a new conspiracy? If nobody is saying what they "know" to be "true" then it must be because it hides a dark, shameful secret. Therefore it must be exposed.

[faint dune]

Yeah, but it’s kind of a limp conspiracy as far as those things go

[dense umbra]

Much better finish with that orientation

[lyric gull]

I dunno if people are tired of this case yet, but I printed the top at an angle yesterday, with mostly great results but some caveats. It results in much better resolution on the curved surfaces while not having the front or back have the build plate texture. But with the angle I printed, it's all top layers facing you when you look down on it, so the light that's reflected is different. You could print it angled with the front on the bed, but that might leave the bed texture visible at the seam on the front.

This did allow me to do a trick, after the light pipes printed I pulled the clear filament out of the AMS and swapped in glossy black for the jewel. So it's a five filament print technically. The white support interface worked perfectly, it just fell off the print.

[dense umbra]

nice

I havent gone for a AMS yet as originally i had nowhere to leave the P1P setup all the time. It lived ina cupboard, i do have the space now though

[lyric gull]

Haha, cupboard as an enclosure.

[dense umbra]

No just for storage. My P1P is still open frame, i never bothered enclosing it as all i use is PLA for my projects

[lyric gull]

I highly recommend it. It's just soooo nice even for single colour prints. Just load up your favourites and start a print from your desk.

[dense umbra]

I do like printing in translucent filament. Gives some nice results

[lyric gull]

I do want to try this sometime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qb25Gi4Jv0

[dense umbra]

Translucent PLA+ is very reasonable about £13 a spool on Amazon. I just print as generic high speed

[lyric gull]

I only have a roll of translucent PLA, no +. It's okay, but I'll definitely get PLA+ when I replace it.

[untold kayak]

Makes me wonder what it would look like if you did it in something like ABS and smoothed it (i.e., acetone vapor treatment I think it is? Never messed with it myself)

[lyric gull]

Thought about that. After smoothing, you could hit it with a scourer to bring back a matte finish.

Another advantage of the angled print is that it won't need the changes I added to make it more printable, the top layer can be contoured on the inside too. This would make for a much nicer translucent print since there won't be infill.

[untold kayak]

Cura's got that "fuzzy skin" option, wonder how that would work with the angled print orientation? heh

[lyric gull]

That's a good option. Might be worth exploring. I haven't tried any fuzzy skin prints yet though.

[untold kayak]

Same, it looks kinda finicky. You can go too far with the setting and it gets really wacky

[lyric gull]

It might hide the print orientation better.

I don't know if it was a style where you're from, but for a while textured wall paints were a thing here. Reminds me of that haha.

[untold kayak]

Yep, we had a bit of that

[lyric gull]

I'm watching the video that screenshot is from now.

[upbeat gyro]

I’m printing that case as soon as I’m done printing mods and tools for my printer

lol

It’ll be a while

[lyric gull]

Haha, printing printer parts is a right of passage.

[upbeat gyro]

My wife asked what I was printing last night….

A scraper so I can scrape the alignment lines off lol

[lyric gull]

I even printed and reprinted parts for my old printer when I got the P1S.

[untold kayak]

It's a slippery slope. You get your first one, you install some mods. You get your second one, which prompts you to rebuild your first one since it can be completely down without losing your ability to print. Next thing you know, you're designing elaborate direct drive extruder assemblies and installing accelerometers on things to do resonance cancellation, or bragging to your buds in Discord how your mesh bed leveling solution samples thousands of points of data within 30 seconds.

[lyric gull]

That video has convinced me to experiment with fuzzy skin now.

[hushed burrow]

I mean thats what I really like about the Bambu.. 'what upgrades did i print for it? none.'

I give it the .stl and walk away and assume that everything is fine 😄

[lyric gull]

Yeah, so far I haven't messed around with the parts on my P1S. And I like that. I just want it to work.

[hushed burrow]

What orienation did you use to get the different 'grain' ? Ive been having that wort of wood/warped look on some prints

The only bits I change out now and again are are the nozel for details, and the Textured PEi or 'smooth PEI' plate depending on my needs

[lyric gull]

Oh, that was just flat. Curved surface up top.

[hushed burrow]

Oh? intresting

I was just curious what caused the diference between tehse two prints

You have that 'wood texture' on the left, like the grain, and a mostly nice smooth finish on the right

[upbeat gyro]

Waiting will give me time for yall to hash out a good print profile for this lol

[lyric gull]

The one on the left is printed flat, the one on the right is printed at a 45 degree angle.

The curved surface on the top resulted in the low resolution layer lines.

[hushed burrow]

Ah so a 45 degree angle got your a smoother result, thats intresting!

[lyric gull]

Yup, the first photo in those photos.

[hushed burrow]

Ill have to try that next time 😄

[upbeat gyro]

More presents. lol

[hushed burrow]

Thats a lot of fillament

I personally dont bothe rmuch with the Bambu branded stuff (theres nothing wrong with it, its just a lil expensive for what it is)

eSun+, SunLu etc.. much cheaper and works just great

[upbeat gyro]

It was $15.99 per roll on the reusable spool with the sale going on

Couldn’t pass it up

[cursive crypt]

So these peices are supports that were printed to facilitate it printing at a 45? Thats wild! Did you have to draw those or were they autogenerated by the slicer?

[faint dune]

the whole point is that you must print the spool

[cursive crypt]

And that solid tower in the background, thats the "purge block" from it switching filiments?

[upbeat gyro]

Printing a top mount for my AMS now lol

[gusty marsh]

oh i was about to say good job being ready for the winter months.....

[upbeat gyro]

I then need to print a tool box to hold everything that was in my accessory box

I see how people end up with multiples

[limpid lodge]

Don't print that one.

[upbeat gyro]

Uhhhhhhhh oops?

[limpid lodge]

it's a huge waste of filament with a rather flimsy clip lock. https://makerworld.com/en/models/90586#profileId-96991 This one uses much less filament and is much more secure

[upbeat gyro]

Interesting. I don’t have the bom stuff on hand, I might just let this go lol

[limpid lodge]

Also, this greatly improves the camera view.. https://makerworld.com/en/models/475720#profileId-386539

[upbeat gyro]

I at least got the remixed version of the bambu mount that uses less filament and is supposedly stronger

[lyric gull]

Mostly just the support on the right, that would have stabilised the print while it was leaning. The supports on the left just made sure the bottom edges of the inside around the screw holes were supported. I think you could print without those if you're willing to accept some droops that wouldn't be visible anyway. But I just let the slicer do its thing. Amazing right?

And yeah the tower at the back is the purge tower.

[lyric gull]

Tip for 3D printing, be ready to "oops" and throw away parts. Even parts that printed fine. Just like everything else in life, if something is no longer useful and you have something better, get rid of it. Recycle if possible. Unless it's old video games of course. In that case hoard like your life depends on it.

If you keep everything you print, you'll end up with a lot of noise.

[lyric gull]

Enjoying the printer?

[faint dune]

So far so good

[upbeat gyro]

Fun clicking buttons and having parts appear

[cursive crypt]

Just amazing. I have to figure out how to change the colors as I don't have the same filament

[lyric gull]

On the prepare tab, under process, select objects and you can right click to set the filaments.

Or you can right click each part on the bed and set the filament.

Tbh for a multimaterial system I do find the filament setting unintuitive, but it's entirely possible I'm just not used to this slicer or missing something.

Interesting, that orientation is about an hour faster than the other one.

[cursive crypt]

So if i needed to change just the light pipe and front logo color I can select just those and change them?

[lyric gull]

Yup.

[lyric gull]

Body black, cart slot grey, light pipes clear or not printed, jewel whatever you want.

[cursive crypt]

ah I think I have to update those filament colors, the RFID doesn't work in this case since only way I can use the printer is SD Card

[lyric gull]

Ah okay. Yup, just update filaments 1-4 to match what you have in your AMS.

[cursive crypt]

ah I got it I think, had to double click on the part to get this menu

[lyric gull]

Be sure to change the jewel. I had it set to transparent since I was using 3 colours plus support filament.

[cursive crypt]

(I'm greener at this than the green bambu filiment that came with the printer)

[lyric gull]

You can also use the printer in local LAN mode over wireless if you don't want to use the cloud service.

[cursive crypt]

Sadly blocked here

[lyric gull]

Ah okay, just line up the numbers then I guess.

[faint dune]

I’ll will say, in terms of waste, finding out about the poop chute or whatever was a surprise. I moved the printer from its original spot and all this discarded filament was piled up behind it like a squirrel lived back there

[cinder crane]

Just posting here that I’m excited for the handheld.

[warm olive]

Same here. Hope that Taki can throw some more teasers at us eventually.

[delicate hazel]

I can't wait for the mister clone (batch 2 drop). So many games for me to play

[faint dune]

Hopefully soon and it sounds like a lot.

[upbeat gyro]

You can also go to the object list and it will show you a list of what is assigned to what

And you can just change the filament number there

[hushed burrow]

Just be wary, the AMS will create a LOT of waste if you are changing flimaments

Far more than you might be expecting 😄

[faint dune]

yeah, that was a shock

immediately started looking into recycling filament

but that is...a process

[upbeat gyro]

Some decent videos on how to reduce it some like flushing to infill or flushing to another object but it’s still pretty bad lol

Got the ams lite top mount printed

Printing spool locks for the front spools now lol

One day I’ll print something that’s NOT for the printer 😂

[lyric gull]

Get a SunLu S4 and make an AMS non-lite. https://makerworld.com/en/models/625211

[upbeat gyro]

I considered it but decided it was overkill

And it’s more desk space

I have a Sunlu S2 and a sealed tub coming from Walmart for long term storage

It’s pretty solid up there

Drying some petg now to make a sunglasses clip for my car 🤪

[faint dune]

Oh jesus, do I need to buy a dryer?

[lyric gull]

You don’t have to. You can just store the filament in sealed boxes with desiccant.

[faint dune]

Moist 4

So I shouldn’t just store them in the ABS?

[lyric gull]

Just make sure the desiccant is dry. You can dry it in a microwave.

You can print desiccant holders for the AMS.

[faint dune]

now we are thinking with portals

[lyric gull]

I like this one. https://makerworld.com/models/573406

[faint dune]

and those just sit in the nooks and crannies of the ams

[lyric gull]

Yup.

Tbh the thin ones don’t fit well and are kinda useless.

I threw them out.

[faint dune]

so just make the big boys?

[lyric gull]

Yup.

I currently have six of the big ones in my AMS lol.

And four in my dry box.

[upbeat gyro]

I’ve heard of some spools coming out of the package with moisture problems

But hopefully few and far between

[lyric gull]

Yeah, some new spools can be wet.

[upbeat gyro]

Silica won’t pull that out but will stop it from getting more wet lol

And some of the engineering materials require a dryer I think

[faint dune]

PETG is the one that gets real fucked up by moisture, yeah? It's not great for PLA and ABS, but they handle it better. I dunno where I read that but I thought I did

[lyric gull]

PVA apparently sucks up moisture.

And wood filaments.

[faint dune]

I'm not into advanced materials yet. I bought some ABS to print these spools but other than that it's been all PLA. I am trying to decide if I want to fuck with PLA-CF for my kid's mister case

[upbeat gyro]

https://wiki.bambulab.com/en/filament-acc/filament/dry-filament

Bambu has a handy guide

[faint dune]

how dare you send me to the documentation

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah one of the CF filaments would make a nice N64 case

My wife got her “you got a 3D printer what do I get” delivery today 🤪

The PS5 Pro coming home on Thursday is just a bonus 😂

[faint dune]

This is how a successful marriage functions 🙂

what are you guys storing spare filament in?

[upbeat gyro]

I have a tub from Walmart coming today for opened filament

https://makerworld.com/models/123487

There’s some prints to make it into a fancy drybox

I’m going with just throw them in tho

[faint dune]

ooo I like that

[upbeat gyro]

With some silica and a Bluetooth humidity sensor so I can monitor it from homeassistant

[untold kayak]

Dessicant can help, but once it's wet it won't do much to correct the situation. I'd go ahead and research drying it, especially if you sit on rolls for a long time. PLA/HTPLA print okay enough even drenched in moisture if you can keep the temps low, but other filaments can be shot within hours and forcefully drying them helps immensely.

At higher printing temps, the moisture in the filament causes popping and zits all over your surface, and there's stringing, etc.

[upbeat gyro]

Testing feeding petg right out of the dryer

[golden coyote]

can anyone else access that site to pull the document? I don't own a passport

Because.... I don't see Taki's signature there

[dense umbra]

They were using a Imgur link which had now gone but made a backup of the images after what happened last time

[golden coyote]

I posted this...

lol

"So ... your purpose in sharing this is... what? To shut down a product you hate? There are only a few logical reasons for this:

1. You're selling a competing product that is hurt by this distribution, to which what you're doing is counted as Product Disparagement, and is grounds for a lawsuit.

2. You are a sad individual that lives off of seeing people agree with your anger so it can make your poor income feel better.

Either way, you just posted copyrighted content from the e-services portal which breaks their agreement/contract, so ... nice job:

"The Unregistered User shall comply with all legislation and laws relating to data protection and copyright in connection with data and documentation provided by the e-Search Services."

[dense umbra]

There has been some very good replies on the thread

[delicate hazel]

As I said before I find it comical.
Who actually cares. (In terms of the 'claims')

I care about Batch 2 dropping and getting one delivered before Christmas hopefully compared to the 'claims'

[dense umbra]

What is most interesting as someone in the thread states is it's all about Taki even though QMtech produce boards too

[faint dune]

Yeah, it's gotta be some sort of weird grudge against Taki. Maybe they denied them a refund or something

[winged summit]

Can I suggest a 3d printing channel is requested to the admins? It is clearly a topic with enough people willing to discuss it here to deserve it

[upbeat gyro]

Someone here is called out as being one of the perpetrators in that thread 👀

[faint dune]

Yeah, I saw that. They accused Atrac of being the writer in that thread from a couple of weeks ago. There is a lot of drama there that predates any of my interactions with those folks - but, from my purely anecdotal experience, they have been nothing but pleasant to me. I would be surprised if they were behind this. People are tying their brains in knots - trying to envision a Lex Luther-level scheme - in order to justify blaming them for shit

[untold kayak]

Mister cases channel. Some of us 3d print, laser cut, CNC, etc, maybe a catch all for anything related to encasing the Mister?

[faint dune]

That's a good idea.

[winged summit]

Yeah

[upbeat gyro]

There ghetto dry box 👀

[untold kayak]

https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/1303433438178840576

come show me your filaments

[gritty herald]

i know for a fact it's not atrac or anyone from Coin Op or MARS

[faint dune]

Absolutely it is not. And I'm sorry you even have to specify. Like I said, people tie their shit in knots to blame y'all for the weirdest shit

[gritty herald]

we get blamed for all sorts of bullshit

[delicate hazel]

Todd, it's your fault i stubbed my toe today.

https://tenor.com/view/yelling-cloud-old-man-news-gif-14394596

[faint dune]

you absolutely should try to sink taki. that way you don't have to sell mister pi cases anymore!

[delicate hazel]

Madness.

Imagine all that 'effort' they took making up all this crap.

[faint dune]

I just want to know the endgame

Let's say that they somehow entangle retroid and taki and it causes people to not buy from taki. How many people are we talking? 20? 30? What is the endgame?

[delicate hazel]

At this moment in time. The only Reddit post I want to see is "batch 2 dropping xx/xx/xxxx"

Or Toobin arcade core available

Or a Gamecom core

That would be interesting to see

[faint dune]

Penny, we are focusing all of our energy into conjuring a jaguar core. I know you don't have a mister yet, but I need you to get on board early with this

We need to align our chakras in the direction of Aliens versus Predator

[delicate hazel]

I blame Todd, for the lack of Jaguar core.

[faint dune]

oh that's fair

[delicate hazel]

I think, if Todd offered to 3d print a jaguar toilet looking case for the mister.

We might be onto something.

[faint dune]

https://www.printables.com/model/547552-atari-jaguar-gamedrive-snap-lock-case well well well

[delicate hazel]

I can't even tell you how many times I've played my Jaguar.

[faint dune]

I booted mine to make sure it worked

[delicate hazel]

Maybe once to test it?

[faint dune]

exactly

[delicate hazel]

Then it just went onto the shelf

[gritty herald]

well, in all fairness when asked about Retroid, Taki straight up said they didn't own Retro Remake.

#1287682359658807317 message

so if that turns out to be false, it's a bad look

[faint dune]

Yeah, it seems like it may be someone trying to make it look like they did. @golden coyote went full batman mode on it https://www.reddit.com/r/fpgagaming/comments/1gj7v31/comment/lvkkoj5/

[faint dune]

It's more a curiosity core, right? Like the CDi or a (hopefully one day) 3DO core. So few people owned them, so getting to play the games (even when they are bad) satiates the curiosity we had when saw them in magazines as kids

That's why I got so into Neo Geo emulation in the early aughts. Being able to finally play those games that I coveted was so awesome

(not that the neo geo is at all comparable to the CDI, Jaguar, or 3DO)

[delicate hazel]

It would be great in terms of preservation and to experience what I would class as 'niche' consoles. Similar to the 3do/CDI and Gamecom for example.

One device (especially at a great price point thanks to the clones) can achieve all this.

One of the cores I'm really excited to play is the Atari 2600 one. Not counting the PS1 and GameCube, but id class the Atari as one of my fav systems.

[faint dune]

oh absolutely, outside of the selfish desire to play the games, being able to preserve the systems in permutable hardware (not sure that's the right word, but it's close) is super important

[delicate hazel]

One thing id love to see is similar easy to use packs/collections for other computer cores. Like the Amigavision (which as someone who hasn't played any Amiga stuff, I'm hyped) and the 0mhz collection for dos.

[faint dune]

I think there is a c64 one

[delicate hazel]

The only 2 games I know that are great on the ZX Spectrum for example is Manic Miner and The Hobbit.

[delicate hazel]

Oh really? That would be cool.

[faint dune]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=1540 found it

[delicate hazel]

Yeah Id agree with that.

[delicate hazel]

Amazing! Thank you very much.

[faint dune]

post is old, but v5 is only 9mo old

[delicate hazel]

Sweet, once I get a Mister Pi il load up the SD card with that c64 collection too.

It's not that I'm lazy to find games. I just appreciate curated lists if that makes sense.

"here are the top games" "here are the popular scene demos" etc etc.

[dire merlin]

which document is dated october?

[golden coyote]

brain fried... I confused the lookup date (system clock in the imgur image showing the e-services page) with the document date. Correcting my post

I meant to double check that before finishing the post but forgot 😂

[golden coyote]

-# I still hate @cinder crane for promoting the Raspberry Pi

[cinder crane]

Wow, Rapsberry Pi is so good, wow

[dire merlin]

oh no he's going to start scraping metadata again

[cinder crane]

I'm going to get a Raspberry Pi mug

and then put a MiSTer sticker on it

and call it Mister Pi

https://tenor.com/view/fozzie-muppets-waka-gif-5564088

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/80aG.gif

[cinder crane]

This is a reminder to not post any information that contains personal information of other members of this Discord. That is against the rules and will result in a ban.

[faint dune]

Uh oh, what happened?

[cinder crane]

Nothing, just needed to remove a post that had personal information on it.

No actions were taken beyond that. But I did want to make sure everyone knew the rules.

[dire merlin]

robby the type of person that likes randomly walking into a room full of people and reminding them drinking bleach is dangerous

[cinder crane]

Ok but seriously don’t drink bleach

Also I’m excited for the mister pi handheld

[faint dune]

@delicate hazel https://fxtwitter.com/TakiUdon_/status/1853954486886334496

The eye of taki turns its gaze to the haters

[faint imp]

Haters pls keep hating until we get free takis 🤣

Thanks for what you’re doing, Taki! ❤️

Now the most important:

Batch 2 wen

[faint dune]

Gotta be soon

Taki said shipping before Christmas

Err I should say, shipping in time for Christmas

[cinder crane]

LOL holy shit. I want a batch 2!!

[plain needle]

Who’s hating?

[delicate hazel]

I briefly looked at this whilst half asleep, and thought it was batch 2 news hahaha.

Whilst it's a positive for us ($5 off). It's a shame it's came to this. Id happily buy the mega pack without the discount to support Taki more.

[faint dune]

Haters

[faint dune]

Sorry to wake you with it.

[delicate hazel]

Haha you don't need to apologise, you didn't wake me up. I was waking up anyway for the gym. I just looked at my phone, saw a mister pi tweet and thought sweet. Batch 2

I'm happy to be tagged in stuff, helps me not miss anything

[golden coyote]

I deleted the post I made on that reddit thread with my researched information against these haters... I thought it best to maybe not show THAT deeply dug information publicly...

The OP's post was deleted by moderators anyway

[dense umbra]

They changed sub Reddit this time, the last post didn't last very long in the MiSTer sub

[dense umbra]

Sorry my mistake

[north anvil]

He's made a mistake with the discount, Just because some people are jealous. His best option is to just ignore them and don't give them air they crave. In fact if everyone ignored them they would soon get bored and move on.

[dense umbra]

https://x.com/TakiUdon_/status/1854189402152681520?t=A7dQmpM8CSWAtwA6UABshw&s=19

Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_) on X

Starting with batch 3, we will have a new MiSTER Pi revision that can support BGA SDRAM, or standard SDRAM. This will simply our production process, while also allowing us to continue offering our $99 option for people who only need the bare board.

Samples will arrive soon.

Twitter · Nov 6, 2024, 3:49 PM

[neon summit]

Damn it

[delicate hazel]

I just want to see that release date for batch 2

(but also that's pretty neat)

[faint dune]

Let’s pretend I have no idea what that means. Is it good?

[civic badge]

What does the new BGA SDRAM revision mean???

[limber token]

Ram on board

@civic badge

BGA means solder balls under the chips. This makes the chips much smaller

[civic badge]

Sweet!!!

[cinder crane]

That sounds promising for a handheld right?

[limber token]

Handheld will need a different design to support the display, but yes this ram is also sweet for a redesigned handheld PCB

[delicate hazel]

Hmm

I've waited this long for batch 2. I wonder if it would be worth waiting more for that BGA SDRAM board

[faint dune]

only the faithful buy one from every batch 🙏

[limber token]

They have to do it right, cause you can’t easily swap sdram chips then. But for a custom board this make much sense and will lower the costs for sure.

[wary turret]

There’s no advantage and if it has issues there’s no recourse

[delicate hazel]

Oh sweet, looks like batch 2 is back on the menu for me then.

[cinder crane]

The only reason why I’m not buying another MiSTer is then I’d have to setup a network share and I don’t want to ever be that big of a nerd.

A handheld is different!

[dense umbra]

A custom board for the handheld would be a better idea really then you could fit all the ports as needed, remove the likes of ethernet etc

[faint dune]

Linux comes for us all, eventually

[cinder crane]

I saw your “I’m on GitHub more than I’d like to be” comment and that hit deep

Like I check it every day now wtf

[faint dune]

It comes for us all

[untold kayak]

I thought we were doing that anyway for fastest speed? https://misteraddons.com/blogs/news/mister-data-io-speed-shootout (maybe this is out of date now?)

[cinder crane]

I’m far too lazy for that. I just use micro sd card lol

[warm olive]

Does this mean the possibility of using an on board dual ram build with analog video out and reduced ram latency?

[cursive crypt]

@lyric gull bottom done!

Waiting for translucent filament to try the top, should be here next week

[dense umbra]

No will work the same as a normal stack

The SDram will still interface via the GPIO lines

[cinder crane]

Seems like a cool case for the MiSTer Pi:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1801103476/mister-pi-rsk224mr-taki-udon-mister-pi

[lyric gull]

That looks awesome! Came out nicely!

[cursive crypt]

Well much thanks to @lyric gull , wicked job on the design! I'm going to fill the light pipe holes with clear glue or epoxy (got to excited to try the print before the clear filament arrived) and it looks great as-is!

Fresh off the printer, no cleanup yet, and it looks great to me

[lyric gull]

That turned out so great! I'm glad you like it!

[faint dune]

that looks so good

[civic badge]

Amazing!!!

[lyric gull]

If you want the top of the buttons smoother, you can print them at an angle too, same as the top half.

They stick to the bed with a brim.

[cinder crane]

Please tell me you’re going to 3D print a Pikachu to stick on the top.

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/bweu0.gif

thats not the gif I picked but the sentiment is the same

we take those

actually, it's potentially dirtier if your brain is broken like mine, but whatever. it's friday

[cursive crypt]

I'm not at that stage yet, I just learned to print. Design is a whole other thing.

[delicate hazel]

I am predicting Batch 2's drop. It will drop next week or the week after!

[cinder crane]

oh were you actually planning to do that?

That’s awesome if so

I just thought you randomly chose those two colors and I was like “omg pikachu n64”

[cursive crypt]

No, I like it as it is I don't think there's that much real estate on the top, I printed it in these colors after seeing @lyric gull digital render of it in these colors

I mean if the filing existed of a little 3D printable Pikachu to glue on I would certainly give it a go

[zenith palm]

Hello, I'm interested in ordering the Turbo Pack once they're available but I'm unsure about one thing. I'd like to use dual RAM and it says that is possible on the store page by removing the AV v1.2. What is AV v1.2 for and what do I lose by not using it? I'd like to be able to use the MiSTer on my CRT as well as via HDMI. Cheers.

[faint dune]

I'll wade into waters I'm 100% sure about the part that you would need to remove is this:

that would allow RAM on both sides of the board

What I am unsure about is whether or not VGA would work without that piece

[zenith palm]

Right, I was thinking it would likely be that part

[faint dune]

I was under the impression that the only way to do Dual Ram + VGA is to use an IO Direct Board like Mister Addon's Sells (https://misteraddons.com/products/mister-fpga-io-direct?_pos=18&_sid=3fc0c0061&_ss=r&variant=40784624550021) and then use the Saturn to VGA cable https://misteraddons.com/products/mister-mini-din-10-premium-hd15-vga-video-cable?_pos=4&_sid=526a5b6e0&_ss=r

but I could be (and probably am) wrong about that. So hopefully someone smarter than me can help

[cinder crane]

As far as I know, that's correct

I'm waiting for a restock myself lol

[faint dune]

Now, if you buy the turbo pack, you can remove that piece, drop in a second stick of ram, and go about your business. the AV board will still function as a power button and all that stuff. You just wont get VGA out, just HDMI (again, subject to those smarter than me correcting me)

[cinder crane]

what is a turbo pack?

[zenith palm]

It's the most expensive Mister Pi bundle

[cinder crane]

ohhh ok

sorry I don't follow the Mister Pi stuff, I'm just here for the handheld lol

[zenith palm]

It may be better for me to buy in parts instead then if I would use the IO Direct board that you linked instead of the A/V Pro

[faint dune]

Board + USB Hub + AV Board + Case + Snac Adapter

[faint dune]

yeah, if you want dual ram + VGA, then I would do the mister pi base board, the USB hub, and 2 sticks of ram. Then buy the mister addons io direct board

I think @prisma fjord has a video about it this week

err next week

[zenith palm]

Alright, thanks very much for the information @faint dune much appreciated

[limber token]

If you remove the av board it acts as a digital board, so you need adapter for the vga port, but I assume that so you could use both at the same time. The other board mentioned use the hdmi port as input, iirc.

[faint dune]

@zenith palm ^^

[high umbra]

Don't forget about the upcoming Reflex Prism, which might be a good option for MiSTer Pi and QMTech users

https://youtu.be/nDb1Pb8qef8

[limber token]

I saw a video, but this seems also use hdmi out from de10 as a input ?

[high umbra]

Yeah. It's a hdmi input DAC.

And then you can have a variety of analog output options

[prisma fjord]

Next

[prisma fjord]

I’d recommend this honestly if you already have a full Pi stack

IMO it’s a pretty flawless execution of a DAC. Direct video mode in for MiSTer is 100% and combine that with the other use cases of pass through DAC support…chefs kiss

And if you have a scaler that can decimate signals down like Tink 4K then you can really do some wild things. Take 4K/1080p in, downscale in Tink then sent to an analog tv

[high umbra]

Yeah that sounds like a ton of fun

[prisma fjord]

Granted that’s a very specific audience but Porkchop nailed Prism and I know there are other features that may end up in the production run. This is a prototype test board

But outside of hand soldered flux residue you’d just think it was production run

And it has a case to go with it. It won’t just be a raw dogged PCB like you saw on camera today

[winged summit]

It is analog audio only, right?

[prisma fjord]

Yes it’s intended to take in direct video mode signals and send them out via the analog Saturn port at 240p/480i

[winged summit]

I edited my comment because I wrote it before reading your previous one 😅

[patent knoll]

Looking forward to using that as a DAC for PC HDMI to VGA PC CRT as well. So many cheap HDMI to VGA DACs make the picture too dark.

[green sparrow]

So what does this DAC have to do with Mister FPGA? The Mister already outputs analog signals... This seems like something that I would use without the Mister, like if I have a CRT and something that only outputs HDMI signals.

[delicate hazel]

I believe the discussion was about running a Duel Ram setup.

Which would require that A/V bridge thingy being disconnected. So you would have to use Direct Video (hdmi)

[green sparrow]

Oh, I see the context now, my bad.

[winged summit]

But, the Mister doesn’t output digital signals as you said. You need either to add an IO board or an external DAC that works with Direct Video

[upbeat gyro]

Did you print the top vertically?

[cursive crypt]

Yes, I tried the 45° print but it popped off and "spaghetti'd"

The back has a bit of the bed texture on it but since it's the back I didn't really care

[upbeat gyro]

I think I’m going to order the carbon colored matte pla from Bambu for it

Or even the PLA-CF would look great I think. But $32/spool

[loud bramble]

Sorry, I don't get it with the dual-ram and AV board. It's clear that you cannot use them at the same time because they use the same pins. But is really the VGA-out of the IO board (the big one with the buttons and LEDs) disabled as soon as you add dual-ram?

[limpid lodge]

The VGA port is connected to the AV board via this pin header right behind the VGA port, so without the AV board, the VGA port has no function.

[stoic sentinel]

Has any MiSTer Pi user tried loading roms with MiSTer Batch Control? I'm getting No RBF Found errors every time I try to load an arcade game using mbc, but this didn't happen using a de10.

I opened an issue on github (https://github.com/pocomane/MiSTer_Batch_Control/issues/36), but I figured asking here to confirm if I wasn't the only one wouldn't hurt.

If you want to try, do

wget https://github.com/pocomane/MiSTer_Batch_Control/releases/latest/download/mbc

./mbc load_rom ARCADE /media/fat/_Arcade/Asteroids.mra

[loud bramble]

Got it now, comparing the schematics of AV Board v6.1 and v9.2. Apparently, v6.1 took the signal from P1, while v9.2 just takes it from this AV port with no further connection to P1. It looks like theoretically a bridge from P1 to this AV pin header could be possible, but I see from the v6.1 schematics that then a lot of additional resistors etc. are needed to create a valid RGB signal.
I extended my fan board with a user port and wanted to continue adding the buttons and leds. Adding the SMD microcontroller is the only critical part, but it might be easier than expected because there are prepared solder points on the board. But then, adding the VGA port could be pointless as long as the AV-board is not available separatedly. So I would have to go the HDMI-to-VGA adapter route in case I decided buy a crt and use analog out.

[dense umbra]

Weird issue as scripts done by Wizzo like favourites and tapto work on the clones fine.

[cinder crane]

Anything in here needs to be pinned? If so let me know!

[stoic sentinel]

I have found a workaround for this issue! If I run mbc from /root, Arcade games launch successfully. I'm not sure what explains this behavior, though. Running from any other location fails. I've updated my related GitHub issue: https://github.com/pocomane/MiSTer_Batc ... /issues/36

[upbeat gyro]

Batch 1 case codes just went out

[faint dune]

@delicate hazel

[delicate hazel]

Oh sweet thank you

Seems like there will be a 24 hour launch notification too. Which is great. (I won't have to 1am release both days)

[faint dune]

gonna be a lot of units too

should last a little longer than batch 1

[delicate hazel]

Oh I hope. I only just found out there's an LTT video on the Mister Pi too.

[faint dune]

its good

I dunno why folks are worried

it sounds like the batch is 4x what batch one was

(because I believe that it's 2 months worth of stock, rather than 1)

and batch 2 was 2x what batch 1 was

[delicate hazel]

I just see it as more competition when trying to order one.

[faint dune]

I am wrong, it’s 2000 units (I can read good)

[faint imp]

Batch 2 w.... oh wait! 😱

[faint dune]

Soon™

[cinder crane]

I can’t wait for the Batch plebes to get out of the way so us Mister Pi Handheld royalty can order.

[wary turret]

I just hope they’ve spent all their money so I’m not competing with them for a handheld

[cinder crane]

Yeah true LOL

[faint dune]

Real Champions buy every batch

[cursive crypt]

Sweet, I printed a few of @lyric gull's N64 cases in various states of experimentation as I was learning 3d printing so maybe I need another to plop the cases on (I don't)

[faint dune]

Once you get that second mister, three and four are much easier to justify

[upbeat gyro]

Alright still a bit to go lol

[high umbra]

You can paypal $7 to Robby

Problem solved

[upbeat gyro]

$7 is the 5% earned. So that’s a little over $100, im bad at math

[high umbra]

Oh i see

[upbeat gyro]

That was from my ps5 pro and 3d printer 🤪

[faint dune]

mister pi batch 2 BAYBEEE

[high umbra]

What else can we list that you should buy

[faint dune]

I'm only at 30 bucks for my two chase freedoms. I need to step it up

[upbeat gyro]

I ended up transferring the points to my Sapphire Reserve and redeeming for 1.25x

[faint dune]

I wish I traveled enough to justify a fancier card. I go to Italy once a year…and that’s it

I like my house too much

[upbeat gyro]

We dont travel as much now that we have a 2 year old… but still a couple times a year. Having the reserve is a comfort thing at this point 😂.

I hammer the hyatt transfer

But now I got the Hyatt card so I have a bunch of points straight from Hyatt, I may downgrade the reserve

[faint dune]

Yeah, we used to travel more when we were kidless or only had one kid. Two kids that are “have to buy you a seat” age makes upgrading rough. And my large type Pokemon ass can’t tolerate steerage.

[upbeat gyro]

Ugh yeah. We went to Houston last year to visit friends and lap child her when she was 9mo. Flight down she was perfect, way home was the exact opposite

When we went to Orlando in April we bought her a seat and my wife ended up holding her the whole time anyway

We flew to Myrtle beach in July 2 weeks before her 2nd birthday and we lap childed her. Figured it was a 50 minute flight and I might as well get one last one in

[faint dune]

We were going to go to WDW this year (before the mouse chose full on violence towards families) but the flight cost alone was…excessive

[upbeat gyro]

I ended up booking 6 nights at the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress in Orlando for like 97k points. Absolutely fantastic place

I know next time we go back to WDW I wont be allowed to stay off property

[faint dune]

Yeah, that’s the way to do it. But man, all these changes they have made to absolutely rake people over the coals really has soured me.

Not that WDW has ever been customer friendly. But they have moved to active hostility

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah we were there like 2 weeks before they changed everything. I mean we only went to 2 parks, MK and Epcot and we bought Genie+ both days

Was pretty nice we just jumped lightning lane to lightning lane at MK whatever was avail next and she could ride with us

But I hear it’s all fucked now

I ended up buying individual lightning lane to ride guardians at Epcot

[faint dune]

yeah, when we went we couldn't get LL shit for anything. I woke up at like 7am to grab stuff when it opened and guardians + rise of the resistance were both gone at like 7:00:10am.

But when you go with young kids, you end up doing like 5 rides total anyway so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upbeat gyro]

Yeah luckily enough a friend met us at Epcot and took our kid for a half hour so we could ride guardians. Otherwise we rode Nemo… frozen…. And the German Biergarten

My daughter loved the people mover at MK 🤷‍♂️😂

[faint dune]

god, if I never have to ride nemo again it will be too soon

[upbeat gyro]

The aquarium is decent at the end at least

[faint dune]

yeah, it's fine. it doesn't help that that ride is super easy to just walk onto

Meanwhile, my precious Haunted Mansion is a nightmare to ride more than once

[faint dune]

Does anyone want my batch 1 case coupon code? I have my retrofrog case, and don't need another (printing a case for my kid's mister pi build)

[dusky pewter]

I'd be interested, I never made an account on retroremake or signed up for the marketing emails, so I haven't received a code. I emailed taki about it, but the turnaround on those communications can be days, or longer now with batch 2 coming and case orders starting.

[faint dune]

DMed. If taki sends you a code, you can pay it forward 🙂

[limpid lodge]

The code may be personalized, when my autofill changed my email address to a different one (not the one used to order), the code became invalid until changed back

[faint dune]

Oh weird. wonder if that was just a shopify bug. JollyBeardo was able to redeem it for their order

[shrewd dust]

Pretty sure Taki said the code was personalized and one use only

[dusky pewter]

I was able to use it, it does not seem to be bound to any specific account or email, but they do have an expiry time from what I gathered

[faint dune]

It's just a shopify code I believe

should work on any transaction once

Unless JollyBeardo stole my email. In which case, enjoy all the.....newsletters....I've signed up for

[limber token]

https://x.com/MultisystemFPGA/status/1856706395837497791

Multisystem (@MultisystemFPGA) on X

We often get asked to sell the Multisystem console motherboard again. Now that @TakiUdon_ R2 has the Mister Pi available, would you like us to produce another batch of our Multisystem consoles?

Quick poll to gauge interest & options, thank you.
https://t.co/5mFzJTQ1Jm

Twitter · Nov 13, 2024, 2:31 PM

If there is enough demand, Heber would probably produce another batch for mister pi users

[high umbra]

I'm not interested enough to log into X to vote in this poll and select "not interested"

[dapper scroll]

I would be happy to log in if I had an account...

[dense umbra]

Ugh the design always looked a mess and the add ons designed for it are silly money really for what they are
Heber also have been marketing their new PI4 CM module based console recently ....

[limber token]

The advantage is clear the format of the board compared to the normal standard stack. Power switch and Scart are also included. I love this board. But yes, the price is perhaps a bit under pressure now, as there 20$ ram modules out now. At the first release time the boards for a normal stack was about 120, so that the price for the mms was competitive. That has changed now.

[runic pecan]

ethernet and HDMI on back, 4(5) USB on front is nice, even if my rev 1 case is pretty rough

and built in dip switch to disconnect the CEC pin on HDMI port

[limber token]

V1 case has the bigger fan wich is much easier to swap for a silent one. I like the top printed in one piece. The covers printed in two pieces are allways looking as they where printed in different colors.

But I like the design for the buttons holder from the newer ones.

[runic pecan]

true, i heard the smaller fans were annoying folks.
The whole case doesn't quite fit together square on mine, but its still in one piece after ~3 years so cant complain

the little notch makes sliding microsd in/out a lot easier than the porkchop case

[winged summit]

people that bought that mister pi big pack in the past in EU and UK, how much shipping+VAT+import taxes did you pay? I'm going to UK on January for some weeks to help my brother after knee surgery, maybe it will be more convenient for me to order while I'm there

[limber token]

Cheapest shipping was 18$

Vat depends on your location

[dense umbra]

There is no real advantage over the stock stack in terms of functionality and even the HDMI featured are wasted if Taki has fixed the HDMI on his board.

That scart socket has always been annoying pointless too

[dense umbra]

The other issue is if you buy a Taki stack the analogue video is a downgrade on the MMS being 6.1 based 18bit and didn't score well in DAC testing
There is also no dual SDram support

If Richard did a new revision it might be better

[limber token]

Also the ram is V2.5 based iirc. But that is not the point. You got all the ports on only 2 sides, without any tinkering. There is also the option for an itx mount with small 3d printed brackets. The price difference was small at launch compared to the single items, That have changed now. Compared to the ironclad boards you get the ram and the expansion socket. I think 🤔 if Heber does a good pricepoint they could sell another 500… If not, then the next Taki all in one PCB will make the race in 2025.

[dense umbra]

The ITX mount is pointless as the board design doesn't follow the ITX spec with the ports being all over the place

The big elephant in the room will be the pricing too it will end costing more than the complete Taki stack going by previous pricing

The Ironclad pricing has the same issue but is a better designed board that follows ITX spec and had some decent QOL features

Better DAC
MD2 output
Switchable MT32-pi etc

Of course the better solutions will be Takis custom console designs which will also keep the price low

[limber token]

MMS is console style and ironclad is real itx design. But both have to fight now, cause of the 60$ stack with 128MB ram. So both need to cut the costs down. Personally I think 99$ would be fair as they not produce in china.

[dense umbra]

Jammix is a proper ITX design too

Heber produce in house in the UK and are an established electronics company, so it will never be as cheap as Chinese production

UltimateMiSTer did a run of MMS too

They all have to compete with Taki and QMtech now on price

QMtechs IO/USB board with case is only £25

[limber token]

True, but ultimate mister is more expensive than Heber was. I don’t think that many people are willing to spend more as double for the same function, only for the format. But let’s see and wait what Heber will be do. Sounds more like a last product run from them to get rid of the stock (parts and PCB).

Heber has open sourced it and could do a cheaper run now, cause they got there investment back already.

[dense umbra]

I am surprised we haven't seen more QMtech designed cyclone boards on the market yet from other producers seeing the designs are open source and on GitHub

[limber token]

Think it depends on the quote for the parts. You need quantities to get good prices. That’s a lot of money too.

[dense umbra]

The BOM on these boards is not much even for the DE10

Looks like automotive grade Cyclones availability is better too. You just need to find a good chip broker
Then it's just DDR, a couple of controllers and the rest is just noise

[limber token]

The problem was the price for the fpga chip. This chip alone was long time more expensive than the hole board

[dense umbra]

Only if you looked on Mouser or Digikey
Terasic would be paying around $20 a pop direct from Altera

This is why they could offer the DE10 for such a low price for years

[limber token]

Hmm, I don’t think so, terasic would have been granted a kind of refund in the past, but the prices for the single chips was real expensive. Otherwise we have seen many other boards using the same chip. Vampire or analogue has used much less powerful chips to save costs. Sorg has done a custom PCB instead the stack idea.

[dense umbra]

The DE10 Nano was not used at the prototype stage of MiSTer but Terasic released it at the right time
MiST which MiSTer was forked from used a custom PCB but a off the shelf solution was a better for MiSTer

The DE10 Nano was the same price as the current compatible boards for years and up to around 2021 so those chips would have been very cheap to Terasic
There is no way Taki or QMtech could produce these boards without a similar price on the cyclone V

The Cyclone V is decade old and product on a high yield cheap per wafer process.
Altera will still have a very good wafer contract with TSMC

The issue is while Terasic had to raise pricing over COVID when the silicon industry did have shortages there is no need for it now but they seem to like the higher price point and left a gap wide open in the market for these compatible boards

Though you could argue Terasic are more focused on the industrial FPGA board where price points don't matter and margins are high unlike a cheap dev board made for a college programme

If you look at the Analogue 3D N64 that is using a Cyclone 10 with more LEs(150k) than the Cyclone V but still only a $249 price point

[limber token]

Yes, there seems now some movement in the FPGAs pricing from intel or altera. But only now and not years before. Before only Terasic seems to be able to produce the De10 nano cheaper as other parities could buy the single fpga chips.

[dense umbra]

Well Intel spun off Altera a few months ago and there has even been rumours of a sell off. Intel are the big issue with the new Agilex range though as their fabs are useless. I can never see it being viable at the hobby level

[limber token]

Last days we had some discussion about intel on another Discord.I found an interesting article (german) that seems very interesting in some points. Seems that intel is leader in packaging. I copy the link.

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/News/Kehrtwende-TSMC-Nvidia-Entwicklung-Glassubstraten-Intel-Vorsprung-1454760/

So it seems not true that there fabs are useless. But they need money to fight with the speed of TSMC. Or they could try to do the same as Nvidia, a fabless business. But that is risky in my eyes

[dense umbra]

They will end up like AMD and sell off the foundries in my opinion. Its dragging down the rest of the company like it did with AMD a decade ago, the fabs are losing billions per quarter.

Its their silicon processes that are useless, which is why they have very very poor yields per wafer. Intel had years and years to invest in their foundry tech and didnt bother and now its biting back. They are having to outsource silicon production to TSMC as it is

On a more on topic subject, This is a great solution Ironclad Lite ITX that supports De10, QMtech and MiSTer PI

https://www.d3fmod.com/one-board-to-rule-them-all/

[limber token]

That a good news. I had the normal one some time ago. First or second batch. But I sold it, after the C64 atx case moved production to china. My plan was to put it in the c64 case…

[dense umbra]

Yeah I had the normal Ironclad decent product. In the end I swapped it out for a Retrocastle for the smaller form factor

[rotund parrot]

hmm I never got this code, and RR hasn't replied to my email asking if it's been lost or what's going on. cc @faint dune and anyone else who can send info about the sender or content in the email in case I somehow missed it in my massive spam folder...

[rotund parrot]

thank you

[dusky pewter]

Sent you a DM about the code I got from my email to retroremake, I believe everyone got sent the exact same code anyways from their response to me.

[rotund parrot]

yep, turns out JollyBeardo's code + my original order's login worked

[faint imp]

Your code was probably "compromised" by SuperSega

[limber token]

Hmm, I would like to give my code away, as I am not willing to pay for the shipping. But if everyone gets the same code, how will they handle this?

[faint dune]

@dusky pewter The code support sent you was the same one I gave you?

[limber token]

Other codes are also only valid for three days?

[rotund parrot]

in my case, the code I used didn't work unless I was logged into my original order's email account

[gusty marsh]

hmmm i didn't get a code

i guess i don't really care enough to cause trouble for anyone fixing it given i wouldn't be swapping out my frogcase anyway

[faint dune]

the frog case is too good

[dusky pewter]

@faint dune exactly the same yes

[faint dune]

so it's probably just 1 use per account

rather than code

Did everyone's code start with a J and end with a Y?

[upbeat gyro]

Mine did

Sent to your DMs

[faint dune]

yup, confirmed it's the same one

I don't want to post it here just in case but it looks like it's a code that only works if you have a batch 1 sale on your account (which means you have to have an account)

[dusky pewter]

I do not specifically have an account (don't remember creating one, can't recover lost password even if I did), and I wasn't signed in at all but I did use the same contact email as my batch 1 purchase

[faint dune]

ahh, maybe it matches by email then

[untold python]

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/GeeekPi-Raspberry-5V-4A-Adapter/dp/B0CF44S2HG

[untold python]

I bought this adapter and works nicely. If anyone looks for one in Europe

[spiral cloud]

So is this shit happening on Monday or what?

[faint dune]

Only god knows

[faint imp]

Batch 2 wen

Won’t be able to get another taki until 22nd anyways

Hopefully there will be stock available by then

[past hill]

Hey I wanted to report something interesting I found with the crackling audio with the new 9.2 board that hopefully helps a developer track this issue down. I do NOT get crackling audio on Sonic CD's intro if I output analog audio from the 3.5mm jack and output analog video with a VGA cable to my YC active encoder from MisterAddons (composite) and feed both signals into my Magnavox 13" CRT. My MiSTer.ini has "vga_mode=svideo". It seems the issue only happens when I output video over HDMI and analog audio from the 3.5mm jack

[faint dune]

This is a known issue with the 9.2 design. All 9.2 boards that use the stock design seem to be exhibiting issues with certain cores, mostly megacd and PSX. I dunno if it's been reported to Sorg or not. Current workaround is to use TOSlink and a DAC

[faint imp]

Prepare your wallets, biatches!

[upbeat gyro]

He added 5 to the shop

Go go go

I didn’t need it so I didn’t check out lol

And gone

[delicate hazel]

Wish me luck on Tuesday.

[faint imp]

I will give it a try on Friday

[delicate hazel]

Il play some Might and Magic 6 to pass the time. I never finished, well really played that one before.

[neon summit]

did anyone else not get the email for a free case as a batch 1 buyer?

[dusky pewter]

If you didn't have an account on the retroremake store, and sign up for marketing emails, you didn't get emailed. Unfortunately the codes have expired, and I'm not sure if taki is going to do anything for anyone who missed out, but all his communication on twitter, and the fact that the batch 1 case has been removed from the store points to no.

[neon summit]

Yeah I got the message that I missed it. Oh well, I already bought a case from misterfpga but I was thinking of grabbing one due to the cost

[shut warren]

I have been reading about the Atari Jaguar and Sega Saturn cores a lot recently and figured I would pickup a second RAM module for my mister Pi. If I swap out the AV board will I be able to have a dual RAM setup? Will it work properly? Thanks in advance!

[faint imp]

Yes! Just take the av board mezzanine out and slap in a second SDRAM stick on its place and there you go

[shut warren]

Sweet. I think the answer is no, but can you confirm something else? Is it possible to have the mt32-pi connected if using dual-RAM ?

[faint imp]

Of course. The user io port is always available on any SDRAM configuration

[shut warren]

Maybe I have my mt32-pi connected into the wrong USB then. Is there a visual aid I can use to go verify my setup?

[dense umbra]

You have to flip switch 3 on the FPGA board too for dual SDram

[dense umbra]

It connects to the User port not USB

[limber token]

Userport is the blue usb port on the io-boards

Usb hub has no userport

[faint dune]

Just to add to what boot said, you don't want to remove the whole board. There is a little L shaped piece that enables the VGA out port. You don't want to put that in. you want the rest of the board as it will give you analog audio out, plus your reset/OSD/USER buttons

[shut warren]

Thanks a lot, so I’m only losing vga out. I can live with that since I’m only using hdmi right now

[faint dune]

yup yup. just don't install this board (because it sits where the ram will sit)

[shut warren]

Ok, let me disassemble this a bit lol. I assembled it with the video

[delicate hazel]

2 Hours and 52 mins

[dire merlin]

time to panic

[jagged pecan]

Hoping it doesn't sell out instantly

[delicate hazel]

If it does then, i dont know what to say

[faint dune]

it won't be instant

I bet it lasts 10 minutes

[jagged pecan]

As long as there's bot protection or protection against people buying like 10 at a time to resell

[faint dune]

limited to 1 per user afaik. how much that cuts down on bot usage, I don't know

[jagged pecan]

That's good to know. Wonder how long it will take to ship.

[faint dune]

last batch was 5 days between when I ordered and it shipped. I think taki said they will ship immediately - it's more a matter of when your order will ship

[jagged pecan]

Nice, are they based in the US?

[faint dune]

no, china. I ordered on the 6th and I think it arrived on the 16th?

[jagged pecan]

Not too bad for shipping out of country

[wary turret]

GUYS THEY WENT UP EARLY

J/k

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/bWx2M.gif

[rotund parrot]

big ups to the F5 gang

[upbeat gyro]

Maybe I’ll try for one to scalp it. 😂😂

[delicate hazel]

I just want to sleep

[high umbra]

hmm maybe I should get a mister pi

don't you all already have a mister pi?

[delicate hazel]

Nope

[high umbra]

ahh good luck then

[delicate hazel]

Thank you

[high umbra]

hopefully the larger batch makes it easier for everyone

[delicate hazel]

I hope so too.

[potent saddle]

1 hour to go? maybe i grab one from this batch as well. then i can have two sets!

[high umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-vingança-revenge-plano-os-simpsons-gif-22044850

[potent saddle]

Oh this batch has some extras! i wanted a snes adapter

[spiral cloud]

Good luck everyone

[meager dove]

Taki did really good. I have one from the first batch and love it.

Hopefully everyone that wants one is able to get it.

[potent saddle]

oh noes sold out again?

j/k...2 min!

[spiral cloud]

Don't gte distracted

[potent saddle]

just keep reading chat please

[faint dune]

Good luck to all

[spiral cloud]

Got one

[potent saddle]

got ... 2 totasl now!

[rotund parrot]

easy peasy!

[jagged pecan]

Woo just ordered

[potent saddle]

can this do multiplayer on two machine over network. i never looked into it

[faint dune]

Waiting on @delicate hazel

[delicate hazel]

good news

[faint dune]

It’s now safe for me to order

[delicate hazel]

You now have another RE2 N64 tester, ready to play

There was a queue system when i went to checkout

[jagged pecan]

Hmmm.. in line to order another one 🤔

[rotund parrot]

yeah I had already put 128GB RAM module and black case into my cart

added the mega pack, hit "checkout," waited maybe 60 seconds, and bingo bango, all done

[faint dune]

Ok, ordered

[delicate hazel]

And there was me stressing out

[jagged pecan]

Do I need the 128mb module as well? Didn't know the memory it came with

[delicate hazel]

Thinking due to that ltt (Non main channel) video

[potent saddle]

Time to print another case i guess. and i need a SD card. and see if i still have my old SNES gamepad?

thinking this one can be a bartop arcade machine?

[faint dune]

Still in stock…

[wary turret]

Yay more misters, the cult grows

[high umbra]

#notacult

I dont need one. Do i get one for my cousin?

[upbeat gyro]

This. We have too many cults here in the us already.

Crazy they’re still in stock

[high umbra]

Yeah those other cults need to fizzle out

[wary turret]

Nice they are still around? That’s good maybe he can shift to handheld instead of batch 3

[foggy spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

Got mine, building a Mistaddons Pi hybrid stack. Excited for dipping my toes into the Mister!

[potent saddle]

there is still time!

[faint dune]

And remember there are no dumb questions, just dumb people

[jagged pecan]

Does any Bluetooth adapter work with mister pi? Noticed they sold out of the 5.00 ones on the site

[high umbra]

I use an asus bt500 but there are many bt adapters that have been confirmed to work.

[faint dune]

I use this one https://a.co/d/3ja0Iwq

[shrewd dust]

This is the wifi/bt one that taki was selling if anyone wants that one in particular https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B3MJB99T/

[faint dune]

Still in stock

[high umbra]

Looks like all the folks that really wanted one were able to get one this time.

That is so cool

[foggy spoke]

I can play Virtual Bart again!

[faint dune]

Solo boards sold out

I’m pleasantly surprised

[foggy spoke]

Maybe lower stock than the kits? ¯_ (ツ)_/¯

[faint dune]

Oh totally. I’m just saying I’m pleasantly surprised that there is still stock. I was betting on 10 minutes before sellout

[foggy spoke]

My CRT will finally get some loving

[foggy spoke]

In case anyone from Mexico tried to buy a Mister Pi, Taki just posted this: https://x.com/TakiUdon_/status/1858709630601621968

Taki Udon (@TakiUdon_) on X

If you live in Mexico, you should be able to get a MiSTER Pi with this:

https://t.co/Ci1xMkq5zh

https://t.co/YddBmbyqBn

Twitter · Nov 19, 2024, 3:11 AM

[meager dove]

Silly question, is there a way to still get VGA out after removing this to enable a dual ram setup?

[dire merlin]

no

best you can do is direct video out of the hdmi port with an external dac, but that isn't "dual output"

if you just care about analog you can go that route, tho

[meager dove]

Right. I can do without dual output, mainly want to keep VGA to use my VGA to Component cable on my CRT Trinitron TV.

[dire merlin]

yeah, you're gonna have to do direct video -> dac -> component

and you'll need to ask who is using what dac because you need to find one that has good colors AND doesn't drop out on resolution changes

(I don't use DV so I don't know what's the current good dac(s))

[meager dove]

I got one recently from amazon but it's ass. Works but poor quality.

[jagged pecan]

Still up for grabs, they must've made so much this batch!

I figured the LTT video would've sparked more interests.

[faint dune]

Need to figure out what colors I am going to do for a retrofrog case. Grey and red, maybe?

[jagged pecan]

Any recommendations on snac adapters or would it make a difference to just do USB? Would love to use original controllers with little to no latency.

[shrewd dust]

Another option for connecting original controllers is the reflex adapt https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-adapt

[rotund parrot]

sorry, missed this. the turbo/mega kits come with a 128MB RAM module, which is enough for pretty much everything on MiSTer. I like Saturn games, and the Saturn core is an exception as far as dual RAM modules are concerned (and arguably not even that necessary as optimizations continue coming down the pike)

basically, if you get a turbo/mega kit, you don't really need an addtl 128MB RAM module

[runic pecan]

4dapter and other daemonbite based adapters are a good option for USB also
https://www.tindie.com/products/timville/4dapter-switch-mister-retro-controller-adapter/
https://www.daemonbite.com/shop/

[limpid lodge]

Jaguar core requires a second RAM module, but it doesn't have to be a 128MB one, it can be a cheap 32MB one

[jagged pecan]

Thanks for the input guys, appreciate the help 🙂

[jagged pecan]

I was just looking at the 4dapter, I think I might pick one up.

[jagged pecan]

Does the 4dapter let you control the mister menus or is that keyboard only?

[dense umbra]

yes it does

[jagged pecan]

Awesome just ordered one!

[limber token]

Hadn’t thought that the stock holds so long today. Easy chance for everyone to grab one. 😁

[jagged pecan]

ya it's great for those who were patient enough to wait for restock

[dense umbra]

QMtech have stock today too, so there are even more options

[delicate hazel]

Yeah I managed to put in an order for the mister pi

[dense umbra]

Still showing stock now so maybe the rush was mostly for the first batch ?

[limber token]

Or a bad timing date wise ?

[dense umbra]

doubt it its the ideal Xmas present for some

I think the main draw of the first batch was a plentiful option that brought the price back down to what it was which enticed more people that was either on the fence or were priced out

[limber token]

I bought a another mms instead, cause mister pi is ever there, but the mms for the reduced price (99,99£) will not come again I think.

[dense umbra]

I picked up a Qmtech which spends its time in the front room on the big TV

Richard stated he will be doing another of the MMS ready for the New year

[limber token]

Perhaps the 500 units aren’t sold out and he could keep some to stock again.

[dense umbra]

just waiting on my dual SDram board and case to arrive from Retrocastle for the DE10 to switch it over

[dense umbra]

Richard runs a commercial electronics company with everything made in house

[limber token]

My last Taki batch1 was dual stack, so I don’t need anymore dual systems.

[limber token]

Yes, but Heber has Open Sourced it in 2023 and ultimate mister has produced them since that day.

[dense umbra]

Yeah only really due to price and supply of the DE10 after inital launch. They were planning to carry on producing them

The big issue now is the add on boards are as if not more expensive than buying a complete stack from Taki or QMtech

[limber token]

True, next logical step would be an mms with integrated de10 clone. 😁

That’s save costs, cause no need for the double connectors and ports.

[dense umbra]

Richard really needs to revise the MMS design to bring it up to date with the 9.2 stock design. The analogue video scored very poorly in testing

[dense umbra]

That is what Taki is doing with his consoles but already has a supply line from Altera unlike Richard

The part that makes me laugh the most is while the MMS is open source, he doesnt open source the add ons and the prices for what they are is silly

[meager dove]

What is the URL for MMS? Not familiar with it and am curious.

[limber token]

True, but I guess that the timeframe is short now. In mid 2025 we will see the first next gen fpga boards in the price range from about 350$.

[limber token]

https://shop.heber.co.uk/mister-multisystem-fpga-i-o-motherboard/

[faint imp]

Mega Packs sold out

Batch 3 wen

[dense umbra]

Doubt it especially if they are using Agilex

its not going to be viable

If Intel retools and outsources to TSMC yes

[limber token]

Site says Jan/Feb 2025

[limber token]

They sold to less and have perhaps not get the costs back yet.

[dense umbra]

or he just likes the high margins ...

[limber token]

I think the quantities are low. Perhaps that’s the reason why we see no Jamma module yet. The pi thing has jamma now already

[dense umbra]

I dont know how many has been sold between Heber, Ricardo and Koala in total

[limber token]

Modules does only Heber iirc

MMS are some tousends, haven’t exact counts

[dense umbra]

yeah they are closed designs

I would put it more in the hundreds tbh

[limber token]

I assume that mms is below 10k in total

[dense umbra]

Koala only did a run of 110 units, Ricardo did one run possibly two ?

[limber token]

No, Heber has sold minimum 2.5k alone.

[dense umbra]

I dont remember Hebers numbers being anywhere close to that

a few hundred possibly

[limber token]

Ricardo sold one batch with 100 in minutes…

[dense umbra]

yeah but how many restocks has he done though ?

[limber token]

They do batches and doubles the numbers every time to have stock, but sold out ever

[dense umbra]

Heber stopped selling and making them

[limber token]

Last batch from Heber was 1000 or 1500 units.

[dense umbra]

which is why they open sourced it

and why they focused on the add on carts

[limber token]

I haven’t understand them, cause Ricardo sold them well.

I don’t know how many batches Ricardo has done, but it was a few.

[limber token]

Ironclad is at batch 9 now… So he sold also about 1000 Boards alone…

[limber token]

Less complex and less testing and sourcing parts, etc. But they needs boards in the wild to sell the cards.

[limber token]

Preorder batch 3 is now also open for this

[faint imp]

On Taki’s web shop?

[limber token]

Yes

Better grab one that is available as to preorder, pay directly and wait a few months 😁

[wary turret]

Just looked out of curiosity, seems turbo is still available, not sure what turbo is vs mega though

[faint dune]

just a case

[limber token]

Assembled in shell and a sdcard

[faint dune]

it’s the “no need to fuck about” bundle. Comes pre assembled

[dense umbra]

Not all the Ironclad batches were of 100 boards though
He is just a one person outfit

[limber token]

True but he changed things so that he could handle it. Iirc he has to solder much less cause he get boards pre assembled with the small parts.

[dense umbra]

All these add on sellers have limited time left though with Takis console plans especially as he stated all models will come in for less than the DE10

[limber token]

QA a single PCB is much cheaper as a stack of boards. So if he only takes the stack price to make more earnings

Also save handling and shipping costs.

But for a moulded case you need quantities, so I believe that it make no sense to produce the stack addon boards. But we will see.

[dense umbra]

He stated he would carry on making the Mister Pi range and supply to the established hardware suppliers.
The new board revision with built on SDram will help too

The add on boards are cheap to rattle out

[cinder crane]

Where to Buy

@strong falcon’s website where you can purchase a MiSTer Pi - https://retroremake.co/pages/store

[cinder crane]

MiSTER Pi - Retro Gaming FPGA Board / Turbo Pack

🚨 AVAILABLE NOW! 🚨

https://retroremake.co/products/mister-pi-retro-gaming-fpga-board-turbo-pack
🚨 AVAILABLE NOW! 🚨

[limber token]

The new board revision was announced for batch 3, but if you look at the preorder, it seems it will be not ready for batch3.

[faint dune]

yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe batch 4

[dense umbra]

Whenever it will make things easier for him one board two SKUs etc

We have seen BGA SDram already used too so know it works fine

[limber token]

Yes, but the module what I got was not better as a v2.5 version. I had expected more tbh.

[dense umbra]

There isn't much to gain with the revisions though
It was only needed for the Saturn at the time and then Sergey changed the memory controller

[cinder crane]

Please let me know if there’s anything else that should be pinned in relation to MiSTer Pi. Thank you.

[limber token]

The module runs fine, the difference was in the clockspeed in memtest. The Taki rams are my first modules that reach stable 150 MHz both.

[dense umbra]

My Taki SDram is around 148mhz but anything over 140mhz is fine

My QMtech soldered on SDram is stable at 160mhz

32meg modules will test at 160mhz too I found out

[limber token]

Iirc my mms ram is 145 and the BGA ram was 141 or 143. But you are right, 140 is already fine.

[dense umbra]

It's a chip lottery

[limber token]

Yes, that’s true.

[faint dune]

My retrocastle ram is stable at 137...I have considered replacing it

[cinder crane]

If everything seems to be running ok then you're probably fine.

Saturn core and that Batsugun core push the ram

[faint dune]

Yeah. the only time I have noticed a difference between my retrocastle and my misteraddons stacks is that misteraddons can run AVP on the jaguar more often than retrocastle

[wary turret]

Sounds like a win for the slower ram then 😉

[faint dune]

how dare you

I wish I could put my misteraddons stack in my main AV rack rather than the retrocastle stack, but the IO board's soft reset button keeps gumming up the works (can't reliably reboot the stack via smart outlet)

[wary turret]

What if you switch to the barrel jack power?

[faint dune]

I don't know if I have a 5v3 barrel jack. I suppose I could try the one that comes with the retrocastle stack

but then the io board doesn't function at all, yeah?

[wary turret]

No IO board is powered by barrel jack as well

Oh yeah you need a splitter to two barrel jacks

[faint dune]

yeah

[wary turret]

That’s the traditional mister power method so you may not have them lying around

[faint dune]

I am sure I can find one of those somewhere

[dense umbra]

Oddly when I was playing that great game of Memtest I tried on the stick which I have been using for a few years Rev 3 from MiSTerFPGAUK and it gets a couple of errors never noticed any issues though

[winged summit]

ummm, retroremake shopping cart when I select DHL it starts to estimate taxes and then totally stop and doesn't show the taxes line at all, I was hoping there was a shipping method with prepaid taxes / import duties etc...

[cinder crane]

Let it run for like an hour and see what MHz it stops at

[dense umbra]

Yeah I left it for some time and settled around 147mhz

First time I have ever bothered running the test on it too

[cinder crane]

Cool 👍

That wasn’t sarcastic just in case lol

[dense umbra]

I was chatting to friend about it and he said his SDram errors too but never noticed any issues

I will swap it for the Taki stick I have just to see if I actually notice anything difference

[jagged pecan]

I was never charged for tax either and I made two orders last night so I think what you see is what you pay for.

[winged summit]

@jagged pecan you in the EU?

[compact pine]

I bought a mister pi turbo stack to be used as a living room console. I don't really understand sdram at all. Is the blurb on the product page correct and that all existing console cores including saturn, psx, and n64 should "Just work" with the turbo stack?

[cinder crane]

Yes

[compact pine]

Thank you. I think my confusion comes from seeing "dual" and "single" and "xxxMB" mixed around in discussions

[cinder crane]

SDRam isn’t a mandatory purchase for the MiSTer FPGA to “work”, but a ton of cores require it now so I’d consider it mandatory.

[faint dune]

but the turbo pack comes with one stick, so you should be totally fine

[compact pine]

I believe my "Main" mister is the 2x 128mb pack from misteraddons

[faint dune]

only core that requires two sticks right now is jaguar

[cinder crane]

Dual ram isn’t required and for the longest time wasn’t used at all, but now that we’re hitting the limits of the de10, some cores are relying on it to get around limitations of the hardware.

And yeah, Jaguar may end up requiring it once the core devs are done improving it

[compact pine]

I've never even heard of the jaguar so i'm going to pretend I've still never heard of the jaguar

[cinder crane]

Err it needs it now and it’s not looking likely it’ll work with one stick

[faint dune]

honestly, this is the best policy

[compact pine]

Does anyone know what the snac adapter included with the 2nd batch mister pis look like? has a photo been posted anywhere?

[wary turret]

It has two okay games, you aren’t missing out

You can always use BigPEmu or whatever if you have too much jag fomo

[compact pine]

well I already have one mister with dual ram

so I'll probably be fine

[wary turret]

No you’re not, now you’re in imminent danger of wasting your time on jag 😉

[jagged pecan]

I'm in the US

[jagged pecan]

I remember back in highschool someone tried to swindle me on a Jaguar, they were like I'll trade you all my games and the console for your psx. I was like what even is a Jaguar?

To this day I still have never seen one in person so they don't exist to me either.

[upbeat gyro]

the family that owns the cabin next to ours had a 3DO when i was a kid

that was the only place I had ever seen one. and I used to love playing Way of the Warrior over there

have also never seen a jaguar

[runic pecan]

It was originally designed as some kind of calculator, they never changed the controller or slogan

[faint dune]

The best thing about the jaguar is Duck's new bios

[jagged pecan]

I just know that the controller looks like a mad man designed it. There's so many buttons on it, I don't know how all of the buttons are being used.

[faint dune]

@cinder crane show Clayde your overlays

[meager dove]

Does the hardware make a "rawr" sound when powered on?

[runic pecan]

Yep

[meager dove]

Sold.

[runic pecan]

That Atari got right

[faint dune]

https://tenor.com/o20w.gif

[cinder crane]

It’s neat, those plastic overlays sit on top of the keypad to give you button labels

[faint dune]

man, tenor is fucking me left and right today

[jagged pecan]

Oh that actually makes a lot more sense now looking at it. I never even knew about the overlays.

Controller still looks unwieldy as hell lol

[faint dune]

it's an awful controller

[faint dune]

and the letters are reversed. It was one thing when nintendo started doing it, but they had the good sense to stop at B. CBA is too much

[runic pecan]

Overlays do sound better than my current ' map numpad to dual analog stick directions and wiggle both till the thing I want happens' method

[cinder crane]

That’s not bad either lol

[faint dune]

If you have never played Wing Commander on the SNES, you should

because the game required so many keys, you had to do things like "Hold left bumper, up, select, and B to do a barrel roll"

[limber token]

Check the country again. I was playing around with an order an that was changed as I am filling the adress fields. Seems that there is some bug leftover 😂

[jagged pecan]

Can't be worse then steel battalion for the og Xbox

[runic pecan]

Lol, Jag designer was a fan of the game and overcorrected

[delicate hazel]

I like the Jag controller. To me they looked at the numpad/keypad controller for the Atari 2600, and improved it.

I think the overlays was an interesting concept.

[cinder crane]

yessssss me too

[limber token]

They stole the idea from the coleco vision

[jagged pecan]

The controller made for only one game 😂

[faint dune]

tbf, I think steel battalion fucking rips. what a ridiculous idea for a video game. imagine how many board rooms and meetings that stupid controller had to go through in order to ship

it's a miracle it exists at all

and the game deleted your save if you didn't eject

[jagged pecan]

I don't even see how that thing got passed lol

[jagged pecan]

LMAO

[faint dune]

That was one of the best eras of video games because companies were shipping weird but functional controllers. This wasnt a power glove or activator, this was a real controller that was built well, but only worked for one game. Same with that R4 controller

[jagged pecan]

R4 controller? You mean the resident evil chainsaw?

[faint dune]

no no, that's when we moved into the wacky collectors edition era of controllers. there was a sweet spot where we had weird controllers that were the absolute best option for a game or two

the chainsaw controller is not the best controller for any game

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogcon

[faint dune]

Oh I have one new in box. My kids will retire on it

[meager dove]

I remember stacks of steel battalion at gamestop taking up lots of room.

[faint dune]

yuup. and getting them traded in and having to put the controller together in order to test it

[jagged pecan]

Let's see someone beat dark souls on that thing.

[faint dune]

I guess the chainsaw controller was the same era as steel battalian and jogcon. in my mind, they feel eons apart

[jagged pecan]

Does the steering wheel even act any better then just using a analog controller?

[faint dune]

people swore by the jogcon

[jagged pecan]

Hahaha

[faint dune]

I am not a racing game person

so I can't say if it's any good

but man, people went wild for that thing

[jagged pecan]

Kinda looks like it would cause hand cramps having to move your thumb all the way to right to turn.

[cinder crane]

I use it and love the Jogcon

I am better with an original controller at R4 though

The Jogcon has great haptic feedback, feels awesome to push against the paddle and when you’re out of a drift it loosens up

[limber token]

There are some base boards again in the shop. 😁

[meager dove]

Curious to see what the numbers end up being. The first batch sold out immediately.

[tough whale]

yes with a different io board

dual ram, analog out

[faint dune]

So I was corrected on Taki's discord by the man himself. Apparently, you can do HDMI > VGA out (I didn't realize a cord like that existed) if you turn on Direct Video

so you can use the full taki stack, with dual ram, and just use an HDMI > VGA cable?

[tough whale]

yes always, i personally prefer this solution for its neatness and high quality

[dire merlin]

you still have the issue of finding a 'good' hdmi->vga

not impossible but there's a ton of junk out there

[faint dune]

yeah, that was definitely my concern as well

[patent knoll]

been keeping my eye on MiSTer Addon's DAC for a while for that purpose. Good for MiSTer and anything with an HDMI port in general
https://misteraddons.com/products/reflex-prism-hdmi-to-analog

DOES NOT DOWNSCALE BTW

[dire merlin]

I believe the retrocastle i/o board is good, but I'm not sure they sell that as a separate thing?

[winged summit]

And afaik none of the good hdmi->vga devices have a digital audio output, so that’s something you lose compared to IO board

[winged summit]

You know how much it will cost aprox?

[patent knoll]

Not yet (I'm hoping for $50)

[faint dune]

I believe bacon did a video on it too. Looks real good

[tough whale]

yeah that’s how i got mine

[faint imp]

Anyone found any hidden discount codes on Taki video?

[faint imp]

There was one turbo pack available and I've just snagged it it seems 😛

[cinder crane]

Thanks, unpinned my message

[faint imp]

Which one?

[cinder crane]

The one about the turbo pack being available to buy with a link to it

[faint imp]

I think they are getting sporadically in stock. Earlier today it wasn't available, for example.

[faint dune]

yeah, likely restocking based on cancelations

Batch 3 is available for pre-order

[faint imp]

Probably, yeah

[faint dune]

Not sure if you want to link those or not

[cinder crane]

Would having direct links to those help?

[faint dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder crane]

I got his site pinned at the top anyways

[faint imp]

I think it's dangerous as someone might confuse those with readily available ones

[cinder crane]

Truuue

[faint dune]

good call

[faint imp]

Geez, just realized I have 4 MiSTer setups now! Gotta get some treatment!

[cinder crane]

lol wtf

I only have ONE

[untold kayak]

Can you even be a mod if you don't have at least two? checks rulebook

[cinder crane]

Dude I shouldn’t even be a mod lmao

Do you see the bullshit I post?

[untold kayak]

[timber fern]

He’s actually not sure what a mister is and has been calling his raspberry pi 3b a mister for years

[faint dune]

Welcome. you at least have been in this game longer than I… I have no excuse

[high umbra]

How many have you owned in your life?

[faint imp]

I think I've sold other 4 to friends/relatives, so 8 😄

[high umbra]

keeping the mister economy strong

[faint imp]

fully mental MiSTer user here lol

[faint imp]

Gotta give sorg those Vodkas right

[tough whale]

yep they were all used

as i watched the video, a minute after it came out

the codes were the names of core devs featured in the video

[jagged pecan]

Anyone know if orders for batch 2 have been shipped yet?

[faint dune]

I asked on their discord and no one has had one shipped

[wary turret]

“You got Super Sega’d!” Taki peels off in a Lambo

[jagged pecan]

Well at least taki could probably drive better in a Lambo

[high umbra]

I'm glad everyone has been saying Lambo. It makes the scam seem more fun.

[cinder crane]

Pipipipipipipipi

[dire merlin]

I both love the supersega lambo video and the incorrect driving a lambo takes it has given everyone

[cinder crane]

watch out guys, here comes the king of cool to teach us about Lamborghinis

[high umbra]

Haha Lambos are not just some weird 80s fantasy.

They are still relevant

🤤

[delicate hazel]

Just had an email for mine,

My order is on the way

[limber token]

Hmmm, the curios thing about sportcars is the fact, that most of them are now only a division of well known brands from vw.

[hushed burrow]

So any big idfferences between the Rev1 and Rev2 packs?

[faint dune]

the ram is matched up with he board and it comes with a SNES snac adapter

[neon summit]

All the rev 2 buyers should test the older 64 core 😛

[delicate hazel]

I wouldn't mind

As I said before, I'm happy to do any sort of testing with my batch 2 order. Just as long as I get clear instructions haha.

[cinder crane]

Clear instructions to send me your batch 2 order?

[delicate hazel]

No thank you. I don't fancy staying up till 2am again.

[limber token]

Or just look if the sdram has the sticker or a real print on it. Sticker would mean same ram as batch1…

[limber token]

Bare board seems on stock, so no rush this time.