Super Nintendo/Famicom

[ashen current]

😄

and no smk is fastrom already

[hoary jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-please-sir-may-i-have-some-more-oliver-mark-lester-poor-gif-7821643

[vast oak]

haha d'oh

https://tenor.com/view/homero-simpson-out-d-oh-gif-15451551

[late fiber]

SMRT

SMRT

[late fiber]

Now on MiSTer

yass

[ashen current]

baby mario approves

oh boy agg just saw the post, now he can fix the pocket core

[versed niche]

@ashen current do you have any statistics on average framerates for fastrom games compared to their slowrom counterparts?

[ashen current]

SuperFX games seem to average ~1% faster...as for other games, there's too wide of a variance to really come up with a statistical number. Plus I don't go through all of the converted games to look for improvements, I just concentrate on the conversion and then enjoy when people tell me certain games really see a difference 😄

like the soul blazer speedrun community loves it so much that they're going to incorporate it into their randomizer speedruns

I'd say roughly speaking maybe an average of 10% performance boost is probably close to accurate

some more than others

I've seen as high as ~25-30% improvement (roughly speaking) and as low as nothing noticable

[vast oak]

@tulip vessel good info for you to know ⬆️

[tulip vessel]

I am gonna check out stuff tomorrow...see if there is a full video in there

[vast oak]

Sorry not pushing ya, you know your viewership best. But I wanted to give you as much info as possible.

If you mention @ashen current please don’t forget to mention I taught him everything he knows.

[ashen current]

[vast oak]

I knew that would cost me a DOOM FastROM. It was a hard decision but I feel the joke was worth it.

[ashen current]

🤣

[gleaming cipher]

Is anything else involved in the process to convert a slowrom to a fastrom game aside of changing the header with ucon64?

[vast oak]

I just use @ashen current’s patches

And put all patched games in the “Super KANtendDO” folder

[ashen current]

thats actually the only thing not required

I don't change the headers

basically the game has to fully run in banks $80+ or $C0+ for hi-rom, all JSL/JML calls have to be converted to go to the new banks, and register $420D has to always be set to 1

there are a decent number of games already running in the right banks so they were easy conversions

other ones I had to completely disassemble the whole game

if you check many of my fastrom hacks in database checkers/rom testers, they will still say "slowrom"

[gleaming cipher]

I can see that @vast oak has taught you right. Thank you kando-san!

[ashen current]

I have an optional patch to fix that:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/fastrom-header-79151620

cheers!

[gleaming cipher]

is "sfc-speedhacks" the right keyword for archived goodies?

Just confirmed it is from a search here. 🍻

[ashen current]

Yeah but the superfx ones are not patched right

You’ll have to do stunt race fx and yoshis island by hand

[hoary jackal]

you need to get on there asses..i wouldnt stand for someone using my patches the wrong way and putting it out there having ppl think it doesnt work..lol

[ashen current]

I wish I had a surefire way to contact him

[hoary jackal]

its just the super fx ones right?

[ashen current]

yeah

[ashen current]

You literally have me tweeting to Randal linden now about converting doom

And he’s responding

[hoary jackal]

a fastrom version of doom would be awsome

[vast oak]

@ashen current don't know if this matters but tell him I worked on DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal and I love the SNES version of DOOM.

[tough schooner]

Can’t go two minutes without you mentioning you helped make a crappy doom game ..

You are worse than metal jesus when he mentions he “worked at sierra” during every video he makes

[late fiber]

Why do you love the SNES version of Doom

[ashen current]

Wait Robby really worked on doom?

[late fiber]

Robby is a former ID employee

[ashen current]

Oh wow

[tough schooner]

He just cleaned the offices I wouldn’t call that exactly “working on doom”

[vast oak]

LOL

[ashen current]

😏

[vast oak]

was the Producer on 2016, was one of the principle gameplay / ai designers for eternal

[ashen current]

Very cool!

[vast oak]

thanks dude, I appreciate that

[ashen current]

[tough schooner]

Robby street fight me bro!

[late fiber]

Thats a lot of cartridges. Show us your collection list

@ashen current Are new patches needed for the Super FX games on the fixed core?

[ashen current]

No

[late fiber]

Hm, why for my ROMz not load

[vast oak]

It’s just 200 copies of DKC

[late fiber]

This is clearly false

[ashen current]

Did you grab that shit sfc speed hacks archive

Or did you patch them yourself

Anyway you need the unstable nightly and there’s a new hardware option for gsu fastrom

That has to be on

[late fiber]

Doh

Sec

Option not found

Oh wait there it is

Its just greyed out, even after I load a rom

[vast oak]

I’m not posting my collection lol, that’s flexing

[late fiber]

No, please flex

[vast oak]

[late fiber]

Yeah I dont get it

The options are grayed out no matter what

@ashen current throw me a bone here

[ashen current]

You have to boot a superfx game for them to not be grey

@late fiber

[late fiber]

OK, problem was

I was trying to boot the FastROM Super FX ROMs to enable the option, but it couldnt boot them so they remained grayed

All good now

[ashen current]

Ah

[late fiber]

Still need to patch my own, these ones I downloaded from archive are busted

[ashen current]

Ugh

[late fiber]

Patreon is stupid, how do I search through this crap for your patches

[ashen current]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUB4N0-tM7Ln-9ZMwkp_T7bwb4tDAMI6ciioYMxXzSk/htmlview#gid=0

There’s an alphabetical tab too

[late fiber]

Star Fox not on here.. did you not dot hat one?

OK there are three of them

This one is broken, the other 2 work

Which is the only FASTROM one

... applied the patch manually to Yoshi's Island, no boot

[ashen current]

Did you apply it to rev 0?

[late fiber]

Rev 1

[ashen current]

That’s why

[late fiber]

I.. dont have Rev 0. searches

Okie dokie, there it goes.

Now about that Starfox FastROM patch

[ashen current]

I don’t have a vanilla starfox with just fastrom released

Only the 21mhz and fastrom

It’s on rhdn

[late fiber]

K

[ashen current]

I can make you a fastrom 10mhz if you want

[late fiber]

Nah, Ill go get the patch

[ashen current]

It’s better anyway

[late fiber]

What Rev of Star Fox gets patched

[ashen current]

1.2

[ashen current]

Rev 2

[vast oak]

I hope you’re charging him customer support fees

[late fiber]

Yep.. that loads

Thanks kando

[ashen current]

[late fiber]

Might want to delete that archive.org link out of the sheet

[ashen current]

Yeah

[glass pagoda]

BTW @ashen current - I saw this post (as I happen to be Valkyrie in RomHacking)

https://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?msg=443726

Googled on what you meant and it's something to do with more thorough SNES rom disassembly?

[ashen current]

Well basically right now to disassemble a game, I have to play through it all, executing all of the potential code the game can run while diztinguish logs it and marks all the data as opcodes, uncovering all of the bank jumping codes

If bizhawk had a hookup, I could use existing TAS runs as sources for the data

Sadly it doesn’t seem like it’s gonna happen

Bizhawk dev gave up

Diztinguish dev is rarely on

So I’m stuck running the games or waiting for volunteers

[glass pagoda]

Ohh dang

And with different region releases, code's different?

[ashen current]

Yes usually

Now for some games, they are already IN the right banks, fastrom is just turned off, for those, usually only a small patch is needed, and many of those DO work on multiple regions because the core initialization codes are usually in the same rom location

So you can usually tell by the patch size whether it was a decomp or an easy mod

Easy for me that is hehe

[ashen current]

for now I do say, if anyone goes through this list and sees a slowrom game that they'd love to see converted, lmk if you are up for running the game! Looking for 100% runs, cheats are allowed if you document what you use.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NErkN62LaGk99-XMaQv35z4gvBudFlB0z6ySbgfli5U/edit#gid=0

also, dont just "run" the game

communicate first, there's a special emulator you have to use.

or you can go one step further and directly capture the data to diztinguish, so you can do things like rewind while capturing data

anyway, lmk!

🦗

[tough schooner]

I would be all up for it but my current laptop it’s on its last leg ..

[ashen current]

https://tenor.com/view/marley-kkt-throwing-laptop-slow-internet-rage-quit-gif-25030168

[tough schooner]

Soon .. but not yet .. gotta buy a new one first ..

[hoary jackal]

do your fastrom hacks work with MSU-1 or would you have to specifically make with the MSU-1 hack in mind?

[hoary jackal]

Super Double dragon would be cool but I'd prefer Return of Double Dragon the japanese version which is better than the US version. i ask about msu-1 coz i play a msu-1 version that fixes the soundtrack

[ashen current]

I think the msu1 guys have had to fix a bunch of theirs for fastroms so probably not, but I do see them doing a lot of patches for my fastroms so if you ask I’m sure they would make a fix

[hoary jackal]

Cool .still if you got around to doing double dragon do the Japanese version.

[ashen current]

It’s already done lol

[hoary jackal]

Oh I didn't see that

[ashen current]

Yeah return of double dragon (j)

I personally like it combined with the “unstable” fps unlocker patch

Check my pinned tweet for the master list

/kandowontu

And click alphabetical tab

[hoary jackal]

I'm not any pins is it for this channel or something else?

[ashen current]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUB4N0-tM7Ln-9ZMwkp_T7bwb4tDAMI6ciioYMxXzSk/htmlview#gid=0

[ashen current]

can someone pin this? 🙂

[ashen current]

damn shouldve picked the eggplant

[ashen current]

whelp

sorry @vast oak I did get doom fastrom working-ish...however

the entire running code of the game runs ENTIRELY in ram

and ram is already the same speed as fastrom

so just not worth it.

The state I had it in had a corrupt developer logo during boot and it crashed when you paused it, but it was enough to test it out

And I'm 100% confident fastrom would make 0% difference.

[vast oak]

Thanks for looking into it! You are awesome!

[ashen current]

😉

[hoary jackal]

Just curious have you found any other such games where it's not fastrom already but would make 0 difference?

[ashen current]

not that run completely in ram like that, no

well actually

hang on, there was one...

ah no that was just a pain in the ass because it wrote jump code to ram

yeah this is the first one that runs totally in ram

there may be other fastrom mods that have 0% performance increase due to great developer practices

I just don't know

this is the only one I can say for 100% certainty

[vast oak]

@ashen current feel bad for wasting your time, can I make it up somehow?

[ashen current]

oh its no waste of time, I would have gotten to it eventually anyway

don't sweat it bro 😄

[hoary jackal]

There were a lot of crafty devs back then that probably squeezed every bit they could out of slowrom.

[ashen current]

indeed

I like the ram method

its clever

[hoary jackal]

i always forget Doom is a super fx 2 game...its not a title that comes up often in the super fx conversation

we always think of starfox and stuff like that

[ashen current]

Yeah that and yoshis island are often forgotten

[ashen current]

https://twitter.com/kandowontu/status/1654227950466658305?s=20

kando🚀(#SMKDX) (@kandowontu)

On my discord, Starfox EX v1.05.1 has been released. Now, almost all options that you set, including ship and crosshair types, will save! No more having to set your personal default options every time!

Come visit to grab it and enjoy!

Twitter · May 4, 2023, 8:54 PM

only took me like 5 hours of dicking around

[ashen current]

finished the snes mini compatibility list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUB4N0-tM7Ln-9ZMwkp_T7bwb4tDAMI6ciioYMxXzSk/edit#gid=0

[green meteor]

This is awesome! ❤️ Is there a way to grab all these n one goi or must it be done one at a time?

[ashen current]

Im working on making my collection 100% complete first

Then maybe I’ll share it 😉

Another day or 2

Started today

[green meteor]

oh awesome! I'll grab my faves for now then. Thanks so much for posting!

[ashen current]

[late fiber]

https://www.zeldix.net/t2670-mega-man-ii-iv-msu1-infidelity-krzysztof-met-slowikowski-guitar-playthroughs

MET Guitar playthrough packs for infidelity's MM2 and MM4 MSU-1

[late fiber]

I like it when it runs NES games with CD audio ~

[hoary jackal]

technically its a snes game at that point

[late fiber]

Well, if we're talking Nested it gets murky

[ashen current]

https://twitter.com/kandowontu/status/1654877375732088833?s=20

kando🚀(#SMKDX) (@kandowontu)

Kirby's Dream Land 3 & Hoshi No Kirby 3 - Fastrom is now released!

https://t.co/1cLFrm4C4I

Twitter · May 6, 2023, 3:54 PM

[late fiber]

eyy

[hoary jackal]

@ashen current do you know if your fastrom patch for super mario all stars works with any of the other improvement patches out there? like the one that fixes how mario breaks blocks in the original SMB and the lost levels.

[ashen current]

I’ve heard some do some don’t

[hoary jackal]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2778/

that has pretty much been my definitive super mario all-stars patch..it fixes all the small issues it has

[ashen current]

Give it a shot, only one way to find out

[gleaming cipher]

Never noticed yoshi’s orange arms

[hoary jackal]

honestly me neither until it was pointed out then you cant unsee it..lol

the one that actually bothered me before anyone saying anything is how in SMB and TLL mario keeps his momentum when breaking bricks in the originals he stopped immediately.

it was more of a recoil than just continuing up through the bricks

[tough schooner]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/6807/

[tawny garden]

any idea what's I've gotten wrong here?

shoot on guncon 1 results in a jump

guncon 2 only fires with the trigger

[tawny garden]

mystery solved!

it's to do with the 2 player mode

[ashen current]

[hoary jackal]

So I'm gonna assume the Metroid project nested msu-1 hack doesn't work on mister?

[late fiber]

Well, it will run with the 128kb sram hack just very very badly

Badly enough I don’t want to distribute it

[hoary jackal]

Dammit jim!

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-leonard-mc-coy-bones-stare-smirk-gif-12252031

[late fiber]

Like if you really want to play it I can whip one up for you lol, but it runs like hot ass

[hoary jackal]

No thanks..Not really into hot ass unless it's attached to a woman .lol

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arT86rIFM7k

[ashen current]

Once again looking for people who want to see games converted, all you have to do is play the game (you can even use cheats as long as you lmk what you use)

using a special emulator and recording a video

ez pz! and it makes converting games that much easier!

Currently looking for someone who wants to run E.V.O.

but there's swaths of games that need to be ran!

[tough schooner]

I would be all over this but my damn pc is ass!

[ashen current]

xD

[tough schooner]

And I do not have any capture equipment

[ashen current]

you don' tneed capture equipment

you just need to be able to run bsnes

it records your keystrokes and timings and state of the system as a "movie"

its not like an avi/mp4

[tough schooner]

Ohh I could run bsnes for like 15 before the thing overheats and shuts off

[ashen current]

🤣

get some ice packs

[vast oak]

He’s trying to steal your CC info

[ashen current]

oh be quiet doom guy

[tough schooner]

That’s exactly what I do when I’m downloading stuff for my mister

[ashen current]

🤣

amazing

[tough schooner]

It works

[ashen current]

it might just need a fan cleanout and some heat sync compound

[tough schooner]

It’ll run for a solid hour just downloading and transferring shizz

[tough schooner]

Fan is long dead friend.. only reason I haven’t upgraded is because I’m a primarily a console gamer .. plus my job doesn’t require me to have a pc

[ashen current]

whats amazing about taking apart a laptop is you always end up with more screws than you started with

its a self duplication glitch

[tough schooner]

Glitch in the matrix

[ashen current]

xD

[tough schooner]

Street fighter VI open beta this weekend , can’t wait

It’s cross platform check it out kando b

[ashen current]

oooh hype

snes port?

[long drum]

I'm sure S-DD1 can handle that- no problem

[late fiber]

https://twitter.com/JonSan22/status/1656764683347435521

Jon San (@JonSan22)

sonic but it's yoshi's island

#SonicTheHedeghog #MarioBros #yoshi #pixelart #fanart

Likes

4299

Retweets

1008

Twitter · May 11, 2023, 8:54 PM

[ashen current]

Should have pocky and rocky 2 converted tonight

[late fiber]

Yay!

[tawny garden]

https://tenor.com/view/crusader-shocked-shotgun-gif-17982096

[late fiber]

hehe

[vast oak]

Someone finally made a good Sonic game

[late fiber]

yass

[vast oak]

In all seriousness that looks really cool and adorable

[empty rain]

does the mister have a way to clean up the snes audio like the super nt does? trying to figure out if i should play ff6 on mister for the shadowmasks or super nt for the audio

[fresh ingot]

There's a filter in the audio filter settings specifically for the SNES. I'm not sure how it compares to the Super NT.

[empty rain]

cool ill play around with it. at default it has that original console muffle

[tough schooner]

Original console muffle … hmmmm just how I like it

I will admit that the super nt has superb sound

[ashen current]

I’ll muffle you in your sleep

[late fiber]

kando be thirsty

[late fiber]

Never did figure out exactly what this was for

I think maybe Famiclone controller to SNES, who knows

[empty rain]

looks like a sega controller converter

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CywP2lcLpk

[ashen current]

when stable update :3

[late fiber]

Whenever your arrogant developer gods feel like it

[hoary jackal]

"Muhahah look them scurry for our game. Shall we push the release date back a month? Yes we shall" maniacal laugh

[long drum]

I feel like when you dial in great settings on MiSTer you will definitely want to play it that way.
https://youtu.be/bC9-RcinVvs

I only wish I would have recorded this a month later after figuring out to capture 1440p from MiSTer. It looks so much worse in 1080p, especially the title scroller and mode 7 sections. Oh wait I uploaded this to twitch also and it helps tremendously there:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1705543814

blows me away that Twitch does 1080p so much better than yt

[empty rain]

https://youtu.be/_B7zDoJYDW4?t=141 i dunno i think the super nt still sounds better comparing these videos. the stereo imaging and bass is better but it might just be the uploads

listen to the wind, it sounds off when panning compared to the super nt

mister sounds a little cleaner which might be making it wider than the super nt. it's probably my fault for buying nice audio stuff. i hear everything!

[vast oak]

MiSTer sounds better to me having used both, especially when comparing to an actual SNES used on the same CRT. Plus with the audio filters there’s so much more to tweak if you want.

Comparing YouTube uploads is inaccurate as you have no clue what the capture hardware, filters, or other external influences might have on the different videos. And as noted YouTube compression just sucks.

[late fiber]

^

[late fiber]

😦

[gleaming cipher]

It’s a meee

[long drum]

Fraudio

[heavy juniper]

Average ebay SNES game purchase

[late fiber]

Either that, or a crappy repro not resembling the photo

[glass pagoda]

[vast oak]

LOL, no one deserves that but if you’re dropping big bucks on an expensive game and don’t open or test it before purchasing, ya get no sympathy from me

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjgdSikMXSA

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849664251164491816/912541230511054868/MarioHead-Rotate.gif

[late fiber]

Picasso would be proud

[fresh ingot]

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1664317381869461505?t=T08aTEfEF7paAL8jAkrZpg&s=19

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

For reasons to keep things sane, I split the #Satellaview dump batch release into parts. Here's the first part with quite a few dumps:
https://t.co/F0hchbymh0

Twitter · Jun 1, 2023, 5:06 PM

[heavy juniper]

More Satellaview is always appreciated

[tawny garden]

more previously lost roms?

[ashen current]

I'm not a fan of satellaview stuff

everything is so complex

and most games you'll be lucky if you can even play them

[heavy juniper]

Still, preserving what we can is good. But yeah, it's mostly just novelty at this point

[tawny garden]

I'm always more impressed by it as a concept than I am by the games, as games.

[late fiber]

The playability hacks for the Zelda 1 port are neat though

[ashen current]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[late fiber]

Who wouldnt want Zelda 1 on SNES?

[ashen current]

Nobody

We need that shit

[late fiber]

At this point the BSX version is pretty much hacked into a complete port

[ashen current]

Yeah but timers and shit

Infidelities will be the best

Legit port

[late fiber]

The timers were removed

[ashen current]

And then

Punch out

[late fiber]

Do your research plebber

[ashen current]

I will bet money punch out is next

I’ve been planting the seed for quite a while

[late fiber]

Phrasing

[ashen current]

Planting my seed

Seeding my plant

Pleading my slant

Peeding my pant

Ok

[heavy juniper]

I've never actually gotten around to playing any of the satellaview zeldas, I really need to do that sometime

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXOrpE__0w8

[river folio]

That's a nice track. I'll make a note to try this one at some point.

[ashen current]

https://twitter.com/kandowontu/status/1665563447843536898?s=20

kando🚀(#SMKDX) (@kandowontu)

Has the phalanx old man been there the whole time?!?

Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 3:37 AM

not a word batty, I'm goin to bed now

[late fiber]

😶

[mint current]

that was genius marketing

[ashen current]

sure was

[ashen current]

no context

[late fiber]

cursed

[wary onyx]

IDK, as a kid I definitely thought it has something to do with an old man

[vast oak]

Yeah as a kid I never wanted to rent it because why would you. Shits weird.

[late fiber]

Earthbound had scratch and sniff ads

[vast oak]

Then I rented Final Fantasy 6 and returned it after finding out it has magic and elves. Shits for nerds.

Earthbound is modern day and cool. Wow you can use a bat and eat burgers?

[ashen current]

The true mastermind behind the events of Starfox EX...

[fresh ingot]

FPS: 263

[ashen current]

mesen at max speed :p

[ashen current]

Me when the snes room is dead

[late fiber]

Hey @ashen current

Tell them about what you've been testing for SNES

[ashen current]

Zeld port

[heavy juniper]

Nice

[late fiber]

No MSU-1 support yet

Garbage

[ashen current]

lmao

I have to grind 60 rupees to get red potion to take down death mountain

gonna do that later

almost done with first quest tho

[late fiber]

Imagine playing Zelda 1 for the first time in 2023

You're not 39

[ashen current]

I had it, just never beat it

[late fiber]

Nah

You're just some dumb snes kid, playing at being older

get back in your box

😁

[ashen current]

🤣

[late fiber]

And trim that silly beard

And buy me an OLED

[heavy juniper]

Zelda 1 was one of those games I played with an older family member who showed me all the secrets and where to go. I really enjoyed that. Still felt really new and exciting to me in 2004/2005.

[ashen current]

It’s prettt neat how many secrets they shoved in there

[late fiber]

Do you like Zelda 1 now?

[ashen current]

Yes

[late fiber]

+3000 Exp, +150 rep bat faction

[ashen current]

XD

[late fiber]

There should be several existing pcm packs for MSU-1 for him to use

[nova apex]

Does the snes core fully support the superfx chip?

[magic kayak]

Yes

[tawny garden]

and most importantly

the Tengai Makyou chip

[nova apex]

Thank you.

[ashen current]

And the unstable core supports fastrom superfx

[late fiber]

I've never tried BSX hacks on it, I wonder if its supported

[vast oak]

If only Ken Kutaragi could see into the future and see the SNES core in action, he would pay for his words and deeds and apologize to Miyamoto-sama daimyo for his insolence

[tawny garden]

seems to be a common issue where you end up stuck on this screen

even with thr patched bios that's floating round out there

[fresh ingot]

I think that happened to me maybe once or twice, but restarting quickly fixed it.

[tawny garden]

thx, just gave it another go without luck

someone mentioned in a yt comment that it might have been the DB9 cores

whelp, fired up my second mister with the standard core and nothing else different. worked first time

might have to file a bug report

don't know how tho

https://github.com/MiSTer-DB9/Issues/issues/1

unaddressed issue from 2 years ago

[rocky basalt]

does project NESTED for the NES conversion to SNES remove flickering in games? I'd love to see a flickerless Super Dodgeball. still a game I like to play every year or so

[empty rain]

@rocky basalt just turn on the 16 sprites per scanline setting on the nes core. no more flicker

it might be called something else on mister. i usually use my nt mini

[ashen current]

no NESTED usually adds flickering

[late fiber]

Just for the record, with MiSTer SNES core Nested conversions only work with the 256kb SRAM requirement tweaked to be 128kb which can cause performance issues. There aren't enough blocks left to implement 256kb.

Since the Nested project is no longer being developed the amount of further Nested MSU-1 hacks is probably going to be small of anything.

[vast oak]

Well throwing my MiSTer in the garbage. Super Mario RPG on Switch.

[late fiber]

[rocky basalt]

it works on most games, but not games like Super Dodgeball. no emulator can kill the flicker in that

it would probably require a rom hack

[ashen current]

For the record

I am vehemently against Super Mario RPG remake.

https://twitter.com/kandowontu/status/1671549376685113344?s=20

kando🚀(#SMKDX) (@kandowontu)

@NintendoAmerica This is what you chose? Out of your whole beautiful SNES collection, you chose a game that did not need a remake?

Twitter · Jun 21, 2023, 4:03 PM

[late fiber]

You're forgetting something

The entire new soundtrack can be used in MSU-1 for the original

🤯

[ashen current]

i suppose thats great for msu-heads

any excuse for another mario game

literally

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

[ashen current]

classic happy brit

[late fiber]

whistles

[vast oak]

https://tenor.com/view/dab-mario-gif-10247485

@ashen current explaining to Nintendo why they shouldn’t remake Mario RPG:

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-mario-gangster-mario-mario-rapping-rapper-mario-gif-4436618

@ashen current finding out the Mario rpg remake is already fastrom enabled:

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-gif-26463316

[ashen current]

🤣

[vast oak]

lol sorry, I couldn’t resist

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBdeKWl0E5g

[woven peak]

One reason that speaks for a remake, Mario RPG never came out in Europe, so for some people it will be the firsts time they hear about the game even existing

[fresh ingot]

It actually did on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console, and the SNES Mini

[woven peak]

i knew someone would mention that, but we have many kids in Europe that dont speak perfect english yet, i remember a friend of mine imported the Game back then from USA and we didnt finish it because of the Language barrier. The New game seems to will be localized for more than just English and Japanese. Im not saying the old game is not very good still but from a financial perspective its the best move because so many people in the World didnt play it yet

[hidden osprey]

And i do feel while some or maybe most here would prefer the old gfx . Some (myself included) would love the new ones as well, if nothing else it is an additional option.

[compact loom]

I submitted an issue report on GitHub for some odd 7th saga slowdown I have been seeing in the overworld since streaming the game this week. It’s odd, only happens on the overworld, never in battles. Curious if anyone else has seen this.

[ashen current]

Continuing the convo, yeah, fastrom on superfx games as a whole seems to only get 1% speed boost

Actually a little less

But over time it does add up

I just don’t think it’s physically noticeable on a short term basis

Now fastrom on nonsuperfx can get up to 33% but on average it’s around 10% depending on the game

The superfx 21mhz boost is what makes the biggest difference though

It’s the only superfx game in the whole lineup to use the clock divider for 10mhz. Dylan Cuthbert said they enjoyed it in-house at 21mhz but for players to not get frustrated they based it on 10.7mhz

I guess for game flow and music

There is a standalone 21mhz and 21mhz fastrom patch for vanilla too if you’re interested on rhdn 🙂

Anyway, enjoy s4g!

Lmk if you have any questions 🙂 I highly recommend reading the manual

Secret stuff in there

[compact loom]

I definitely will! It should be tomorrow, just updated the schedule on my discord

[ashen current]

Sweeeeet 😏

[frank vigil]

Hey, has anybody finished Earthbound on MiSTer? Im like half way through the game and remember the anti piracy the game has in the final boss, is that in MiSTer?

[ashen current]

So something pretty cool, there's a superfx tester on the github issues page

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES_MiSTer/issues/340

without turbo on, it seems 10mhz gets 267 (ms?) at 10mhz fpr a plot #0 command

21mhz gets 135

with SuperFX Turbo on, both 10mhz and 21mhz get 134

pretty neat to see the differences

I wonder if I could convert this to fastrom

wait a goddamn second

it was already fastrom

ah its all running in ram

classic superfx jank

anyway, in summary, turbo SuperFX is always at 21.7mhz, if not slightly faster (I'm thinking 21.8mhz)

[late fiber]

Nice text wall

[ashen current]

ty

[late fiber]

You got it cupcake

[ashen current]

Not all SPC's seem to work in the spc player

[coarse remnant]

Is this discrepancy something that matters? Can a difference in clock speeds like that cause SA-1 games to run noticeably faster or slower? https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES_MiSTer/issues/350

[wind steppe]

Is there anyway that save states exist for SNES core?

[gleaming cipher]

Currently save states are not implemented in the core. Also I don't think that anyone is planning to work on that

[hoary jackal]

You would basically have to rebuild the core to add save states that's assuming there is enough room to add it now.

[mint current]

worst case they can split the core for only mappers that support save states

according to FPGAZumSpass (who did the NES saveststes), it helps if the core can fully pause (i.e. freeze state). so maybe that can be added first

[keen hamlet]

Going through multiple levels of dkc to get to a savepoint was tough. GBA version let's you save after every level

And in dkc2 you have to earn your right to save

[solid meteor]

DK Land requires you to get the KONG letters in a level to save.

[ashen current]

It’s almost like…playing on console

[rocky basalt]

the DKC difficulty is more than okay though imo. it was actually a challenge then to get to the next save point

it reminds me of how they made the modern crash trilogy easier by letting you save wherever. crash 1 was the same way on console

[keen hamlet]

Yeah that's another one where it's like I can play the og on mister or play nsane trilogy

Kinda the same with the announced Super Mario rpg for switch

[heavy juniper]

DKC2 you can cheese pretty easy though, just replay levels and collect a ton of coins, and then every new world just mad dash for the save point. Then you can just save after you beat each level

or you could fly back to an earlier world if you get to funky first

[rocky basalt]

yeah for DKC2 I'd just go into a level where you get the banana coins early. go in, grab them, start + select to go back to the map screen, rinse and repeat

[keen hamlet]

Yeah that makes sense

[empty rain]

you can get like 6 lives on the first level if you know where to go. play that a couple times and you're good to go

[delicate fjord]

you plebs might as well enter a cornfield to look for the golden straw. ever heard of savestates? "yes but i want to jump on the spiky turtle 400 times like i did when i was a kid." you want me to bring you some milk and cookies to go with your strats??

https://tenor.com/view/get-dunk-on-buttface-brother-gif-6157504

[rocky basalt]

bah savestates are overrated

I only use them on games where saves don't exist and save on the password screens

[brazen dragon]

Problem is that a lot of SNES games don’t have eeprom saves

Obviously the most popular ones do though

[magic barn]

so much anti-save-state-e-peen flexing

[empty rain]

snes games are so easy that you dont need them 🙂

[ashen current]

someone ban this dude

[mint current]

you gotta turn off the sandevistan when playing the snes

[late fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[steady solar]

You can always take a snapshot of the password screen on your phone.

[radiant stump]

That's what I do

[warm mirage]

So why exactly doesn't the snes core have savestates? Was it one of the first cores or is it something about the architecture of the snes that prevents it?

[radiant stump]

Save states are difficult to shoehorn into an existing core. They're far easier to implement when the core has been developed from the ground up with save states in mind. Additionally, because of all the special chips that SNES games used, the emulation of those (plus MSU-1!) has made the SNES core use almost 100% of the available space on the FPGA

So pretty much a non starter there unless someone rewrites a new SNES core

I want to say the AO486 (PC) core and SNES core are two of the top cores that use the most space on the FPGA

[warm mirage]

So the snes core technically has all available extra chips at all times?

[radiant stump]

Yeah I think there is one that it doesn't support, it's a single japanese game that uses it, if I remember right

[late fiber]

Does anyone know why exactly the SNES core takes up the entire FPGA with no blocks left?

[radiant stump]

because of what I just said

[late fiber]

I see that but

[radiant stump]

it has 1. The SNES processors, 2. Multiple special chps, 3. MSU-1 "processor"

[late fiber]

NES has shit tons of mappers and extra chips and it doesnt

PSX doesnt either

[radiant stump]

PSX is pretty full I want to say close to 90% but it doesn't have extra chips to emulate

also it was built from the ground up with save states in mind

I don't know a lot about the NES core development @onyx tulip can probably answer that one

[late fiber]

The expansion audio in many NES chips would take up a bunch of room Id guess?

I dunno

VRC7 was big enough to where it doesnt work on analog pocket NES core

[radiant stump]

I don't know how mappers are implemented, if they're difficult or if they take up a lot of space

I'd assume the NES processors don't take up as much space at least, one would guess that later/more powerful processors take up more lol

[late fiber]

heck if I know, Im just asking questions to learn stuff hopefully

[radiant stump]

yep, and I am not an expert but it's come up before and I'm passing on what I've heard

[onyx tulip]

nes has space left but it's timings are kind of tight

[late fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-eyebrow-raise-agreed-blushing-anime-gif-16827977

Space enough for Mapper 99?

[warm mirage]

All I can think of to save space would be detecting which chips are actually used in a rom and then dropping the rest and use that space for savestates. But I'm just a layperson.

[radiant stump]

I don't think it works that way

[onyx tulip]

you cant "drop" code in runtime

all fpga code is executing at all times even if not in use

"executing"

[ashen current]

[vast oak]

SNES core doesn’t have savestates because we expected better of you

[late fiber]

SNES core doesnt have save states because you need to git gud

[vast oak]

haha we dunked on those nerds 🍻

(I probably need save states more than y’all lol)

[late fiber]

huehuehue

[warm mirage]

I don't actuallee need savestates because I'm bad at the games, I need them because the games are cheating

[sick folio]

Content tourism

[vast oak]

lol that’s fair. Some old games don’t respect your time either due to tech limitations or being evil.

[delicate fjord]

the jurassic park limited run re-release will probably have it and thus become the ultimate version. can we allow that to happen?

[ashen current]

@vast oak you like stunt race fx fight? Your test results came in

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-test-results-dumb-dumbass-you-are-so-stupid-gif-14192289

[vast oak]

LOL

@ashen current stunt race fx reference in super Mario rpg yet no star Fox reference

https://tenor.com/view/baby-curious-thinking-meme-hmmm-gif-20552190

[late fiber]

boots up Stunt Race FX

[ashen current]

[late fiber]

@ashen current @vast oak

[vast oak]

I didn’t know you could improve a masterpiece, incredible

[late fiber]

While kando slumbers, I scheme

https://tenor.com/view/yes-eyebrow-raise-agreed-blushing-anime-gif-16827977

[upbeat owl]

I enjoyed playing throught Dragon View, was kinda impressed with the 3D overworld map.
Is there any other games similar to it?

That is not Drakkhen I guess. I didn't like or understand the battle system of that game.

[vast oak]

It’s ok, no one does. Dragon View is definitely the way to go.

[mint current]

PC Engine needs save states because of absurdly bad password systems... for SNES at least battery save was more common😅

[solid meteor]

Shego does. Oh wait, got my lines crossed. That's Dr. Drakken, not the game Drakken.

[ashen current]

Mfw the unstable core still isn’t official

[sick folio]

[ashen current]

[late fiber]

Stunt Race FX MSU-1 when?

[ashen current]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1076977789628067850/1098206445377429604/attachment-5.gif

[late fiber]

Help me understand this meme, and why I should feel bad about being a cat saying something

[radiant stump]

What unstable core?

[ashen current]

#unstable-nightlies message

[radiant stump]

Interesting what does that do? Toggle it for all games?

[ashen current]

If there’s a superfx game loaded, a new option opens up in the hardware menu for superfx fastrom

Enables proper support of superfx fastrom

[radiant stump]

Does the rom need patched still?

[ashen current]

Fastrom patch? Yes

[radiant stump]

Ah

I didn't know they didn't work before

[ashen current]

Yeah starfox, yoshis island fastrom didn’t work

And starfox ex fastrom of course

[coarse remnant]

Oh dang, that's almost 3 months. Was there issues with it then?

[ashen current]

No, no issues, he probably forgot

[vast oak]

What about stunt race fx

[ashen current]

If I were mod you’d be banned for that

[vast oak]

☹️

[ashen current]

Well there’s no stunt race fx gifs on tenor

You better fix it

[ashen current]

🤣

[vast oak]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-gif-12190345

[royal atlas]

Lack of save states on SNES makes mister a hard sell for some people. Like my brother

[sick folio]

Have seen that as well

[radiant stump]

It's true

[coarse remnant]

It’s a large endeavor for 1 feature, so it’s understandable that no one has worked on it really.

[sick folio]

I both understand people's desires for it and judge them for needing it to play an old game at all

[coarse remnant]

Lmao agreed

I use them for practice for games I speedrun but casual play through I don’t use. And the only snes game I speedrun has a practice hack with save states built in.

[radiant stump]

I use them mostly for games that don't have saves

Sometimes to practice an area but that's rare

[warm mirage]

I use them when I'm bad at video games.

[tough schooner]

Dude sounds like a wuss

No offense

[tough schooner]

I literally Scoff at the idea

[vast oak]

I think the idea is “my emulator on my PC has it, why doesn’t MiSTer?” so it’s less of a requirement for enjoying it but rather a feature comparison. Even the SNES Mini has save states.

[gleaming cipher]

“Get a Raspberry Pi” - Sorgelig

[vast oak]

@royal atlas One of the ideas behind MiSTer is that it prioritizes authenticity and accuracy first and foremost. So things like save states aren’t considered top level features to implement when recreating the hardware in the FPGA.

Understandably it’s a very important accessibility option, especially for those of us who lack time and/or skill. But at least the core part of the experience; i.e. having an accurate Super Nintendo with minimal to no lag does produce the overall better playing experience.

Maybe that might explain it better for your brother?

Either way the MiSTer isn’t for everyone. For some, even the SNES Mini is “good enough” and that’s wonderful. I was certainly in that camp when it released. Not everyone needs a MiSTer but it’s an amazing project that helps a lot of us rediscover how much fun classic games can be in the most authentic and performant way possible on modern and classic TVs.

[coarse remnant]

The SNES mini is pretty great for what it is, and the input delay isn’t half bad either. https://youtu.be/-eryfUOLpSA

He’s performing short charges there.

[ashen current]

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/SNES_MiSTer/issues/372

you're welcome

[ashen current]

oh he responded

yay

he's gonna look into it

[radiant stump]

Awesome

[fresh ingot]

Okay I was wondering why the unstable build wasn't promoted yet.

[ashen current]

probably just slipped his mind, he's only human

[radiant stump]

allegedly

[ancient sphinx]

I’ve seen no evidence for or against it either way

[ashen current]

Well the fact that he responded says to me he probably just has been busy focusing on other things. Now that I confirmed a few things for him and got his attention, I'm sure he'll push something soon 🙂

[radiant stump]

I meant he's allegedly human

[royal atlas]

Does 60fps Starfox EX work on MiSTer yet?

[ashen current]

no and will likely never work

since that doesn't work on hardware either

[radiant stump]

https://tenor.com/view/annalise-keating-viola-davis-lady-purse-leaving-gif-5084445

[ashen current]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1096636309679919136/1132411795953430738/image0.gif

[vast oak]

it’s a shame stunt race fx never got a sequel

[ashen current]

Blame Giles Goddard

Also congrats on mod Robby!

I heard @radiant stump was talking mad shit

Just sayin

[radiant stump]

Fucking right

[royal atlas]

Stunt Race FX EX when

[ashen current]

@vast oak yeah this guy right here

[royal atlas]

Gettem

[long drum]

looks like the Xeno Crisis port to SNES is using a custom chip:
https://twitter.com/BitmapBureau/status/1684963318832754689?s=20

Bitmap Bureau Ltd. (@BitmapBureau)

@JustinGibbins Co-processor on the cart helping pushing the SNES's DMA and VRAM usage to the max - a modern take on enhancement chips. :)

Twitter · Jul 28, 2023, 4:25 PM

Makes it unlikely that it will run on MiSTer or emulators unfortunately. Plenty of ways to play Xeno Crisis already though

[radiant stump]

Yeah true

[heavy juniper]

I missed that part, huh, well I guess I'm glad I pre-ordered then. That means they probably won't be selling the rom and if they don't do multiple batches, it'll just be gone.

[ashen current]

Sad to say the nested developer is done developing

There won’t be any mmc5 support

[heavy juniper]

well, congrats to them for what they did manage to develop. Super impressive stuff

[ashen current]

Agreed, amazing project

[hoary jackal]

anyone tried this since its been released?

https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=viewthread&t=105457&page=1

[late fiber]

I love it when I'm right. 😏

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpgJUfHHfg

Looks cool. They had the good taste not to add in the obnoxious voice samples from the GBA ports

[late fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkZ8l4GsPBU

Probably will be a pcm pack for Ducktales MSU-1 after it releases.. sooner or later.

[hoary jackal]

I just wanna have the actual intro song from the cartoon on the title screen.

[late fiber]

Pretty simple ask, once the MSU-1 version is released.

[hoary jackal]

Yeah

[ashen current]

[late fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOpcwDCdXDM

[heavy juniper]

I've never really played much of x3

[fresh ingot]

What do you mean you don't like it when Toad takes a massive shit every time he picks up something.

[late fiber]

ikr what a pleb. best part of the game

[ancient sphinx]

give him a break, it's tough to pull massive veggies out of the ground when you're a chain smoker

[warm trout]

I've already edited the tracks. Just need the track listing once it's released and then I can adjust the volume. Should be out the same day

[late fiber]

Well, isn't that lovely.

Thank you very much indeed.

[tough grail]

Anyone have both the 8bitdo sn30 pro and the NSO SNES controller? If so any preference between the two? I have the 8bitdo one for SNES gaming and I'm not sure if it's worth picking up Nintendo's controller

[heavy juniper]

I don't have the sn30 pro, I have the older one before they added the analog sticks, but I have to say the build quality on the NSO snes controller (more specifically I have a super famicom one) is amazing. I definitely prefer it. I guess the choice comes down to if you want those analog sticks.

[ancient sphinx]

NSO SNES controller is pretty much an exact match for the real thing, the dpad is as good as you could ask for, but it’s one of the few controllers I’ve tried where the latency was actually perceptibly bad

[onyx tulip]

the latency of those is like 30ms

it's tragic because I love them

they are so well built

[heavy juniper]

huh, never bothered me too much from the last few months of using it. I could still play DKC and Megaman pretty easily. That is pretty high though, I can see that being an issue for a lot of people

[ancient sphinx]

Yeah, I’m normally not too bothered by these things, like I’m happily using the M30 wirelessly at 10ms, but it was legitimately feeling like playing in a thick soup with the NSO pad

Pretty much just motivated me to go ahead and assemble a SNES Daemonbite instead, which is what I would recommend

Or the triple adaptor if you want to use Mega Drive and/or NES controllers also

[tough grail]

Was the noticeable lag wired or with Bluetooth? I'm the kind of weirdo that, even with the option of using a wireless controller with mister, I prefer wired anyways 🤷‍♂️

[ancient sphinx]

oh it's actually worse wired

yes you read that right

[tough grail]

Really? Well damn, wasn't expecting that 😂

[ancient sphinx]

yeah Nintendo Switch controllers are not so great in the input latency department, unfortunately

and there is something super messed up about how the system was designed to poll USB devices

[royal atlas]

Do main line OEM manufacturers even care about input lag? That's sad

[rose horizon]

Sony seems to care, the DualSense is top notch in the input lag department

[rocky basalt]

xbone is also the best wireless controller for input lag (or at least it was)

[rose horizon]

according to misteraddons' excellent spreadsheet, they're pretty neck and neck wireless, but wired the DS beats the pants off xbone

[rocky basalt]

oh wow that is pretty impressive

[radiant stump]

I mean beats the pants off by a few ms and both scores are low

[ancient sphinx]

Yeah I’d be happy using either

Both beat the pant of Nintendo at least, not that it’s very difficult to do so

[vast oak]

Nintendo number one!

[coral saddle]

I am using two 8bitdoo USB receiver for my dual shock 4 and dual sense. Has anyone some numbers for thoose.

[radiant stump]

Not sure if anyone runs controllers off the 8bitdo receiver

For testing

It would be a lot of work to do that in addition to BT

[eternal basin]

Fastrom for superfx core update has be released

[ashen current]

update all not grabbing it yet

but fuck yeah!!!!!!!

mission finally complete

the reason I even got the mister

it is done.

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[eternal basin]

Soon

[ashen current]

[eternal basin]

The update script should be able to pull it now

[ashen current]

ayyyyy

time to tweet X about it

[vast oak]

Stunt Race EX wen

[ashen current]

[vast oak]

@ashen current my favorite was your reply to @late fiber where you were deadpan and eating popcorn or some shit, I lost it at that vid

10/10

[ashen current]

🤣

[late fiber]

Did you need something

[ashen current]

wait you do stuff?

[vast oak]

nah not really, good morning though. I hope you have a nice day.

[vast oak]

@coarse elm delivers!!

[late fiber]

Mmhm.

[coarse elm]

Stunt race X

[ashen current]

Stunt Fox FX

[ashen current]

remember that time sorg pushed a new snes update for support for 3 romhacks?

pepperidge farms remembers.

[warm mirage]

So, what is fastrom?

[eternal basin]

The SNES had two rom chips that were allowed for the snes cartridge. Slowrom and fastrom. Slowrom chips had had higher latency and the SNES’s bus speed needed to be slower (2.68MHz) to not have read errors. Why would a dev want to use slowrom? They were cheaper. The fastrom chips had low enough latency that the SNES’s bus could be run at the same speed as the CPU, 3.58MHz. With a faster rom chip a game has less time waiting for rom data to be loaded and there for less slowdown compared to the same game running on a slowrom.

@ashen current has created a bunch of rom hacks converting slowrom games to fastrom games so that they have less slowdown. It is amazing to have all these games with better performance/ less slowdown.

[warm mirage]

Sounds good, is there a repository for all those hacks?

[eternal basin]

Here is a database with links to patches.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gUB4N0-tM7Ln-9ZMwkp_T7bwb4tDAMI6ciioYMxXzSk/htmlview#gid=0

There is also an archive on the internet named “Nintendo - Super Famicom - Speed Hacks” but some of those are out of date (bug fixes, etc)

[warm mirage]

Thanks!

[royal atlas]

Is it the SNES core that is updated or is there a separate one specifically for superfx games

[eternal basin]

The SNES core updated. The core includes the Super FX chip (and several other special chips)

[royal atlas]

I know that wasn't sure it was something like the super gameboy core that needed extra FPGA space

[eternal basin]

Yeah the Super Gameboy is its own core. The SNES side of the SGB core has all special chips removed except MSU-1.

[royal atlas]

Aren't SA-1 patches still preferred?

[eternal basin]

Yes, a SA-1 hack will have less slowdown than a fastrom hack

I think these are all the SA-1 enhanced hacks:

Contra III v1.2
Gradius III v1.7
Super R-Type v1.2
Race Drivin' v1.1

https://github.com/VitorVilela7/SA1-Root/releases/tag/v1.8

Super Mario World
https://github.com/VitorVilela7/SMW-SA1-Pack/releases/tag/v1.40

Megaman X
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5145/

[ancient sphinx]

SMW SA-1 is more of an enabler for more ambitious rom hacks than anything else

The base game really doesn’t need it

[eternal basin]

Does it need it? No. Does it have slow down in places? Yes. So why not play that version?

[radiant stump]

I recently played throught he SA-1 version of SMW and I honestly couldn't tell the difference. I know of a few places that it improves speed and gameplay but it didn't blow my mind

[fresh ingot]

The only thing I've noticed are the scene wipes when you beat a level are faster.

[radiant stump]

the weird light that follows you in Bowser's castle is smoother

[ancient sphinx]

I guess I’m just a weird person who finds the occasional spot of slowdown in my retro games charming and fun, and more than a bit nostalgic, so unless a game is totally ruined by it (ie games like Super R-Type or Metal Slug 2) then it doesn’t bother me at all

And in fact I prefer it that way - some of the improvements in that MMX SA-1 hack sound awesome too, but then I was thinking Armadillo stage wouldn’t be quite the same if the cart ride didn’t slow to a crawl at the end 😆

It’s the same reason I’m not too into MSU-1 hacks - sure it’s really cool that it exists, but I’d often rather play the games the way they originally were

[vast oak]

we grew up with it so subconsciously we associate slowdown with “this game is really pushing the system”

and sometimes it was to the player’s benefit as it gives you a bit of wiggle room to figure out what to do next

[gaunt adder]

Fun fact: The SNES port of Out of This World / Another World copies its inner rendering loop to on-chip 5A22 registers so that it can execute at FastROM timings. Allegedly the programmer had asked for either FastROM or a tiny FastROM-speed SRAM chip on the cartridge, but was refused.

[late fiber]

https://youtu.be/XbSJMB_X2DI

[cyan coyote]

niiicccceeeee

[royal atlas]

90s orchestral hits were the best

[ashen current]

The whole game is actually fastrom...most games that were denied fastrom chips shut off the flag but not ootw

so as soon as it hit emulation it was faster

[ashen current]

In a time when nintendo was competing with genesis, having these slowdowns was sloppy. In retrospect it shows how smooth the games could have been, and some people enjoy games more without slowdowns

its a personal preference thing at this point in time

but in retrospect nintendo should have not placed the burdon on developers to shell out for the faster rom

they should have been owning genesis

most people have been playign with fastrom already and not knowing it (cpu overclock in any emulator or mister emulates something close to this or better)

[vast oak]

It made sense from Nintendo’s perspective. They owned the market in Japan and expected the same in the US after the NES. So why would they take a hit on manufacturing?

I mean I agree

[ashen current]

no other console did something like this

[vast oak]

Nintendo prioritized profits

Probably why

[ashen current]

there should have been one chip and thats that

pick a rom chip and have at it

[vast oak]

Also no other console had the technological insight to allow for added performance via carts, at Nintendo’s scale

[ashen current]

nintendo put so much money into their "quality" badge

I can tell you after decompiling 100+ games, the nintendo quality badge did fuckall

[vast oak]

I know someone is going to correct me on that one lol

[ashen current]

I mean thats true

[vast oak]

it just meant they were legally licensed and wouldn’t burn your system down

[ashen current]

then again who could forget sonic + knuckles

[vast oak]

Im not arguing your point honestly. Like I completely agree. Consumers got the short end due to profits.

but I get why it was that way

[ashen current]

yeah we suck, stupid consumers

I can just see the last minute scrambles

"guys, the publishers said no fastrom."

"FUCK!" flips one bit off

"I guess add some delay to that problem spot Jim."

The people: "ThAtS hOw ThE dEvElOpErS eNvIsIoNeD tHe GaMePlAy!"

literally true story

[late fiber]

Anyone who lived through the NES era knows the nintendo seal of quality meant jack shit. All it really did was keep custer's revenge NES off the shelves and make them a bunch of licensing fees.

[vast oak]

Is this what you tell yourself at night after you ruin the intended gameplay vision of a game with your fastrom patches?

[late fiber]

If you can't handle Gradius 3 SA-1 that's a skill issue.

[vast oak]

lolol it most certainly is with me

[ashen current]

While I cuddle my teddy

[vast oak]

meanwhile in Japan, your face is on the dart wall of some angry 70 year old’s house for ruining his vision

[ashen current]

🤣

[vast oak]

Honestly, I don’t get why people get their noses in other’s business about how they play their games. Want to do fastrom, MSU1, balance patch? Who cares! They’re playing the game and that’s all that matters.

Some people like slowdown and some people don’t. It’s not your business to tell someone how to enjoy a game. Let them fastrom patch it, slap an orchestrated soundtrack, or make the game easier for themselves.

They’re not stopping you from enjoying the game how you want to play so maybe just keep your opinions to yourself.

Ok my rant is over.

[royal atlas]

It's not anyone's business to tell others how to play but I'll stiff scoff them

[hidden osprey]

Agree to the above. And even though i loved sa1 gradius 3. You could indeed argue that this was (partly at least) similar to the arcade version which does have slowdown as well! Shmupjunkie mentioned this in one of his vids (could be ‘all konami shmups but not 100% sure) And with the cave shmups versions without slowdown are def ranked as less accurate and therefore not the ones recommended to play!

[late fiber]

Gradius 3 SNES has a lot of nostalgia value to people but.. there's an excellent arcade port on PS2 running at 240p with all the content, nothing cut. Yes, it's hard.. but its better

[ashen current]

Because people gotta bitch about something

[fresh ingot]

It basically meant that the game could be completed from start to finish, not that the game was necessarily good.

[ashen current]

Nintendo Lotcheck did fuck all too, they didn't check for anything lmao

BRL $0002? sure thats fine

[polar wave]

does the fast rom update affect all games in the core now

[ashen current]

no

only if the game has it enabled

in reality, it only affects 3 romhacks

[ancient sphinx]

Oddly enough, nothing has changed in terms of cheaping out on cartridges on Nintendo’s system - you might have noticed a few Switch games that could fit completely on a cartridge, if they used a larger size, but instead are released using the smallest possible cartridge and then force the user to download the rest of the game to system flash/an SD card

At least in this case it doesn’t affect the playability of the final product

[ashen current]

yeah at least there's that...most companies are doing the whole "download the rest of the game" thing too

well, a lot are

[steady solar]

Which means that in 15 years you won't be able to play your game.

Unless you pirate.

[ancient sphinx]

Worse still, some of the games on Switch are starting to just be a code in a box

Which wouldn’t annoy me so much if it weren’t for the fact that Nintendo has a totally backwards policy on family sharing, so we pretty much stick to only carts in our household

[royal atlas]

Isnt the NES extra lines just for overscan

[fresh ingot]

Depends on the game. Sometimes it's just junk data, sometimes it cuts out the graphics.

[ashen current]

Who ever asked for overscan

Not me

[late fiber]

😐

[onyx tulip]

yes, the 240 from nes is mostly garbage, and virtually all games do not expect them to be seen

on 80s tv they almost certainly would not be

on snes they decided to black out the inivisble areas as tvs got more modern, so it would be more polished

[ashen current]

The snes core has unremovable overscan, it’s the only system that shows links sword splash on the top of the screen if you shoot it at the bottom

For the loz port

[onyx tulip]

right I just said that, snes blacks out that area

so we trim it off

[ashen current]

Ahhh

[onyx tulip]

otherwise everyone would go back to complaining about the black border

like they do on 2600

[ashen current]

Makes sense

[onyx tulip]

and psx

[late fiber]

For me the question remains. Why did the SNES have the same effective resolution as the NES.

Oh, same reason the CPU sucked. Cost cutting.

[vast oak]

It’s the games not the tech baybeeee

[late fiber]

So the NES is better? Gotcha :D

[vast oak]

lol

did you know they made a landstalker on SNES called LadyStalker? I learned that yesterday.

[late fiber]

That is quite the unfortunate title! Oh, Japan.

Maybe its cool though I dunno about that game

[vast oak]

Yeah I thought it was a shitty joke at first

I really liked Landstalker. Never knew of LadyStalker and never played Time Stalkers on Dreamcast!

[late fiber]

I will look into this, thank you.

Trolling aside I do love those MSU-1 hacks and ports on SNES 🤔

Infidelity is coming out with Ducktales MSU-1 this month, and there will be 2009 remake and MET AST pcm packs on day 1 (thank you @warm trout)

[royal atlas]

I eventually want to do an MSU-1 version with my full MMX soundtrack (when I complete it) https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS3IsbhH7rH3ndSN-G37_jfgJTgHdqdNN

[late fiber]

Oh that's a neat idea. Are you using higher quality samples or the originals?

Oh, says in the description

Nice. So pretty much as the composers intended, and with MSU-1 full constant channel output, with SFX not interrupting.

[hoary jackal]

those are my favorite kinds of msu-1 soundtracks..not totally changing the music just take what it had and improve on it

[late fiber]

It's a flexible format,I find it weird that people dismiss it entirely without understanding it's benefits

[hoary jackal]

yeah there is alot more to msu-1 that just music...it can be used to add graphics and fmv. i like how infedelity uses it to add the selection screen between the msu-1 and original sountrack

[late fiber]

Talented ROM hacker. His old NES stuff is still super impressive like Legend of Link.

[radiant stump]

I don't think it can be used to add graphics

[hoary jackal]

I like the super mario allstars nes hack he done

the extra menu that allows you to select soundtracks isnt graphics?

[warm trout]

Sure it can. That's what the MSU data file is for. ANything that can't fit into the ROM can be added to the MSU data file and accessed from there

[radiant stump]

I've never seen one that changed any of the graphics

Only audio and video

[warm trout]

Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Killer Instinct are two examples

[radiant stump]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[hoary jackal]

i didnt know the street fighter alpha 2 hack had graphics changes..I never tried it coz i thought it would be the same crappy snes version with better music

[radiant stump]

https://youtu.be/SguBV1z8K00

What graphics are different?

[warm trout]

It has a few extra frames of animation here and there

[royal atlas]

Exactly the intent is just 'uncompressed' versions of the music as clost to original as possible

[onyx tulip]

because CRT's suck

genesis wasn't particularly better

the amount of vertical and horizontal resolution makes a pretty good amount of sense, because crt's couldn't really display a ton more effectively and it increased the amount of time you had to use the CPU for processing what is going on in your game rather than moving around graphic data

[late fiber]

Lots of arcade games running on CRTs with higher resolutions than that. Just seems like cost cutting to me.

[onyx tulip]

not a lot higher, no

some did like cps2

they had more horizontal at least

most didn't really

then again arcade machines also had integrated roms, multiple busses, and more powerful cpus, sometimes multiple, because they cost thousands of dollars

[late fiber]

So. Cost cutting XD

[onyx tulip]

cost optimising is probably a more fair term

it was as good as it needed to be on a consumer crt for good looking graphics withing the realistic cost constraint of the consumer market

[late fiber]

Ill just use this as an example of why I ask these sorts of questions

[onyx tulip]

the amount of colors has a huge impact here

as well as the amount of graphics data that can be loaded at once

nes had to repeat the same few tiles a million times working with 52 colors

much smaller roms, etc

each tile could only have 4 colors

[late fiber]

Let me be specific. Pressure on developers to utilize more tiles, higher resolution sprites with more detail, but the same resolution as the previous console.

It affects stage design and freedom of movement in a lot of areas.

I would state it as a less egregious example of the kind of thing you would see with the Mega Man gameboy games. Use full size NES sprites on tiny resolution, and there are consequences to gameplay, stage design, enemy placement..

[onyx tulip]

vertical resolution it affects nothing, because that space was unusable anyway and it was very valuable for processing

you cant add more lines to a tv

horizontal resolution they could add more.. and they had a mode to do so on SNES as well

so if the dev wanted to use the processing power for it they could

[late fiber]

That doesnt make sense to me, but Ill take your word for it

[onyx tulip]

why does it not make sense

moving data is a time consuming process. a 512x224 resolution graphic is consderably larger than a 256x224 graphic

[late fiber]

I'd have settled for 320x240

[onyx tulip]

240 is useless

you can't even see the top and bottom lines, they are just wasted

[late fiber]

I could see them in the arcade fine on Neo Geo.

Or are you referring to overscan, and the lack of ability on consumer TVs to adjust the image to fit a monitor for a specific cabinet?

[onyx tulip]

320 vs 256, even on genesis most people opted for the more narrow resolution during gameplay for performance reasons

[onyx tulip]

overscan. Most tv's wouldn't show the 5-8 lines on the top and bottom. Additionally nintendo actually did NOT draw 256 horizontal dots, but closer to 280 on both the NES and SNES. They did this on purpose and added a border to the side to make sure that the drawn image was entirely visible

the ACTUAL drawn resolution of SNES is 282x241

the area considered to be overscan is drawn as a border so all the of the drawn image is visible on the screen

[late fiber]

Thoughts on this?

[onyx tulip]

i've seen those. They are some overhyped arcade thing that only has fighting games.

very expensive

[late fiber]

Ohh

Paid $80 for mine, in the olden times. Now I have a core to handle that.

[radiant stump]

Love Neo Geo

[late fiber]

I dont recall overscan issues being too bad on Neo Geo on CRTs with its resolution. But its also been a while.

[onyx tulip]

several of it's games have overscan artifacts

mister trims them

[fresh ingot]

My favorite fighting games are Twinkle Star Sprites, Windjammers, and Magical Drop III

[late fiber]

No love for Blues Journey?

[onyx tulip]

Those are the ones with Ryu and Haggar right?

[late fiber]

XD

And people call me a troll

[onyx tulip]

IDKWYM. And as for twinkle star sprights, im not really into D&D themed fighting games.

[late fiber]

Final Spright

[reef widget]

https://twitter.com/robertdalesmith/status/1687858200941649920

Robert Dale Smith (@RobertDaleSmith)

I found the Super Nintendo Xband source code with logic for reading keyboard input.

Any homebrew SNES devs interested in helping me get a demo rom up and running?

Twitter · Aug 5, 2023, 4:08 PM

[late fiber]

https://youtu.be/GVYMHRSmxz4

[solid meteor]

Neo Geo also has the Slugs of Metal

and Money Puzzle Exchanger

[late fiber]

https://twitter.com/infidelity_nes/status/1689999272782024705

infidelity (@infidelity_nes)

8PM EST tonight. The MSU-1 potion of my DuckTales port will be released.

🙂

Twitter · Aug 11, 2023, 1:56 PM

[radiant stump]

is there a public link for this video so I can share it

[late fiber]

You can download it I guess, a shorter video is on my twitter

[radiant stump]

thanks

[late fiber]

https://twitter.com/goddamnbathead/status/1690180362310410240

goddamnbathead on Twitter

Great release by @infidelity_nes. Thank you Relikk from zeldix for the great AST pcm pack by MET.

Twitter · Aug 12, 2023, 1:56 AM

[radiant stump]

Thank you!

[late fiber]

https://www.romhacking.net/translations/7021/

[tawny garden]

the finally made a splash screen they were satisfied with

love to see it

[royal atlas]

Is OpenFPGA ever gonna get god damned display modes?

[tawny garden]

some devs are already working with the 1.2 os

sooo

maybe this year

[onyx tulip]

why not ask that somewhere else, this isn't the right place to discuss Analogue products

hrm that wasn't even new. Why was this channel lit up

?steal eyes_squint https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/648897091439165450.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[static field]

added with the name "eyes_squint"

[vast oak]

my new favorite reaction!

[late fiber]

Not sure if emote added

good deal

not sure if serious

[radiant stump]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[warm mirage]

[radiant stump]

oooh hold on I have an idea

just as dumb as I expected, excellent

[tawny garden]

me when coffee

[rocky basalt]

let the caffeine kick in before reality sets in

[late fiber]

US/NES Contra has a MSU-1 Nested hack that works decently on MiSTer with 128K SRAM set. Right now it has the Xbox Live Arcade AST, the Arcade OST, and probably tomorrow MET's AST for pcm packs.

I cant link to the Zeldix thread with the patch and pcm packs, that veers to close to copyrighted material etc. But google is your friend.

VRC2 is not supported by Nested in 1.8 so no patch for Famicom Contra is possible right now.

[vast oak]

Star Fox EX got updated

[late fiber]

Do tell

[eternal basin]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7285/

-Added sound indicator, "last button press" check for super high poly mode, can now properly be toggled on and off (R+A+B on title)
-Fixed debug info not appearing on pause screen
-Fixed crashes on 7-4 Air Raider boss
-Added 2 bowser heads to model test (thanks Euclidium) 
-Added SRAM Menu Auto-Saving + Config Preset/Reset menu
-Moved FPS Display option to FPS menu
-Moved boost bar in 2 player mode to right side of screen, moved to left side for multitap mode
-Added updated Australia level
-Added new crash handler text
-Mouse mode now "snaps back" to center, allowing analog controls with mouse emulation
-Fixed multiplayer crashes exiting tunnel in 1-3
-Adjusted players 2-5 movement speeds
-Fixed barrel rolling for players 2-5, bomb behavior

New FPS menu added to page 2:
-PAL/NTSC toggle (you must set your region to PAL on your emulator/system after toggling)
-30fps mode fixed for hardware/emulation with no cpu overclocking needed
-50fps mode with PAL works with no cpu overclocking as well
-PAL/NTSC auto detection/setting added
-PAL/NTSC swap will properly set corresponding fps
-No Objects mode added on fps menu (for performance testing, this will break levels obviously)


-dataminers can find previews for upcomign features```

[vast oak]

No @kando to celebrate with tho

[eternal basin]

Use fast rom hardware for MiSTer

[late fiber]

He left of his own volition, no helping it

[eternal basin]

I thought him saying he was leaving was a joke

[late fiber]

No, he got upset about moderation and left the server

He has his own server though if you want to talk to him

[radiant stump]

He came back for five minutes then left for good apparently

[late fiber]

shrug

Its not like he's unwelcome or anything

[radiant stump]

Right

[onyx tulip]

I told him not to post sex pictures and he couldnt deal with it and left

[late fiber]

What can you do. Im not in a position to critisize anyone for being grumpy about moderation though tbh

@warm trout Was kind enough to share the MET pcm pack for Contra MSU-1 with me this morning, quite excellent

Minimal glitching present with 128K SRAM on MiSTer, just on scene transitions in certain spots it seems for a split second

[nova remnant]

Reminded me of the 'Minibosses' Contra cover. Hadn't thought about them in quite a while. Now I want this done to Super Mario 2 with their cover. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1ncC2pUjlzayVAGOe5CDwrHUGS2MqeNf

.....or more specifically MSU for GBA....

[royal atlas]

It's not the (J) version with animated trees though. Failure https://youtu.be/mRlYoADmBxI

[late fiber]

Nested doesnt support VRC2, so it cant be done right now sadly. Too bad but maybe in the future

[heavy juniper]

I was kinda hoping that Contra was gonna be among the NES conversions

[late fiber]

Infidelity's conversions are a separate (and better) thing, hopefully he decides to do a nicer port

[heavy juniper]

Right, that's what I meant.

[radiant stump]

Some day I will see my dream of Tetris NES with the Pentatonix cover of Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy

I'd probably try it for 5 minutes and go "meh" lol

[vast oak]

It’s me holding the Nintendo PlayStation!

[late fiber]

Vaporware, physically in hand

[heavy juniper]

And then it was never seen again. Coincidentally Robby acquired one right after though 🤔

That's super neat though, I was so excited when that prototype was found