Nintendo 64

[magic girder]

Yeah, I don’t think anyone believes that will happen

[weary palm]

I would love an N64 RDP 2.0. I'm weird like that.

Just hook 4 of them together. jk

[solar slate]

the fries are not so good there but don't tell Cleo.

[weary palm]

@quick arch accepted your pr. gg

[mossy vector]

In HDL it's not that far off from declaring the line rasterizer 4 times instead of 1.

[weary palm]

Like how you could connect two Voodoo 2 cards and have them each render half of the framebuffer.

[wanton sun]

If you Just reuse the sub Pixel accuracy, you get psx Like Pixel jitter. Overall it is possible but will be huge in size even for 2x2 "highres" Rendering, so needs expensive FPGA. Also you get all the issues SW emulators have with it. And VI effects will Work Bad and need Work as well. A whole additional Project

[weary palm]

But it's interesting to talk about. 😊 Pie in the sky.

[gilded whale]

Reminds me of the non deluxe everdrive 64. I had the same problem.

[quaint otter]

Anybody else ever have this issue with the analog stick? Using 8bitdo's Ultimate 2C 2.4ghz

haven't had any issues except on this game

[weary palm]

I don't have that issue with that game.

But I don't own that game pad.

[quaint otter]

roger, thanks

[weary palm]

I wonder what that twisty knob is on the M64.

Navigating menues and adjusting parameters, I guess??

That's a rotary encoder.

[digital remnant]

Very strange choice

[quaint otter]

Volume would be my bet, but no reason it couldn't be whatever you want it to be, right? Like knobs on mech keyboards

[digital remnant]

Volume is 100% a No

When was the last time you had to go up from your couch to your stationary console to adjust volume?

I may accept a Pong paddle

[quaint otter]

Pong paddle on the console is a hilarious idea

[weary palm]

i think it's one of those kinds you can push down.

I don't think the choice is that strange... there need to be a way of accessing menues even if you don't have a controller synced up to it.

a bit unique, perhaps

[quaint otter]

Yeah that's not a terrible way of doing it

Looks less strange than slapping a whole dpad or something on it

[weary palm]

i've placed my bets. 😉

[digital remnant]

I mean you can always connect a n64 controller via cable, even if sync does not work

[weary palm]

Then you need to have one of those.

the board is finalized, so the knob will stay there 😉

[digital remnant]

Doesnt the m64 ship with a controller?

[weary palm]

I don't know!

The Analogue 3D doesn't (I think).

[mossy briar]

Someone confirmed with the ModRetro team that it's for menus/UI.

[quaint otter]

@weary palm waddya think of your 8bitdo 64 bt controller after having it for a while

I was thinking about picking one up

[tepid shuttle]

a clicky rotary dial for menus isn't a bad idea imo

maybe a little clunky, but it's better than the 3 buttons on a typical mister setup imo

[viral portal]

Y'all, it's obviously for the turn table for the Modretro-published DJ Hero demake.

[weary palm]

I like it. But I'm not hard to please. XD

I actually bought two

white ones, to match my mister

[latent dagger]

And here I am with original controllers and snac

.... and a bottle of lube....

[weary palm]

I have that too!

I have some weird third-party controllers too

[latent dagger]

Ooh, fighting game style

I can see that coming in handy for mortal kombat

Or killer instinct

[weary palm]

the swing of the joystick is ridicolous. or whatsitcalled. a real thumb workout.

[weary palm]

Just now?

[weary palm]

I'm trying to figure out what FPGA they're using. It's a Xilinx Artix. I think the Ultrascale variety. But they seem so expensive?

[viral portal]

Robert mentioned in the recent past that in order to fit the whole system on an FPGA, it would take a chip that currently costs way too much. I would wager they are utilizing multiple, but I haven't really seen the board closely to say for sure, assuming it is the final build.

[weary palm]

I saw the markings on a close-up in a YouTube video.

[wanton sun]

the FPGA is the most expensive part of the console, but should be no surprise. It is super fast and larger so all the workarounds on mister can be removed.

[lament escarp]

Think there will be any improvements to the core that can be backported to the mister version?

[wanton sun]

fixes yes. I already have one i will check in soon, but i am not sure it influences mister at all. Sometimes z buffer writes are ignored due to how memory access is done. The same bug is in the mister core but could be mister doesnt see this by chance due to ddr3 running at double bandwidth.

[lament escarp]

That's cool.

This really feels like a win win situation for everybody.

[languid dune]

Exploding players in Madden forever more!

[slow silo]

The Sega Genesis?

[tepid shuttle]

neo geo has a volume slider as well

though i imagine most people just set it to max and control the volume from their television

[digital remnant]

if you used a headphone, M64 does not look like having one 😄

[magic girder]

Woah! My Sega Mega Drive has the same thing

[cyan dome]

GENESIS DOES

have a volume slider for headphones

[ivory laurel]

Core overclocking 🏁

[neat sierra]

Driving games

[iron wren]

You have to use it to select which controller button you wish to press, then you press it to press that button

[latent dagger]

What Nintendon't

A knob with a push in click to it would make sense as a means to navigate an OSD menu while you have real N64 controllers plugged into the system with snac

[quaint otter]

I got the 8bitdo n64 controller, it's pretty nice. Figured out what I was doing wrong here too. Turns out when the core asks you to "Press Left" they meant the d-pad lol

[weary palm]

Lots of people makes that mistake. Don't forget to upgrade the firmware!

[mossy vector]

It's probably so common it could be used as an "I'm not a robot" test. Honestly I'd rather see questions about what DLEFT and DRIGHT mean.

[lament escarp]

Means whether you wear your D left or right, duh.

[weary palm]

Mostly left

If I'm not feeling frisky.

[jolly turret]

Do we know anything about included controllers with the M64?

[slow silo]

Many people used the headphone jack on the Model 1 though because it outputted in stereo while the actual AV port for some reason was mono-only

Was easy and cheap to get a pair of 3.5mm to stereo RCA cables

[slow silo]

Mega Pegasus? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPuUXGe9SCQ

[weary palm]

The word is that there's going to be controllers for the thing. But no word what's included in the bundle.

Sauce: https://youtu.be/BHUXRoH0-54

Cool that it has LEDs around the controller ports.

[vast delta]

Does anyone know if we should expect to see the Turbo core in the M64 as well?

Thing runs so well on MiSTer it basically is my default N64 experience

[lilac cloak]

@weary palm @lament escarp

[magic girder]

Someone said Nugget, I’m here

[weary palm]

I am also here. But I'm more of a broccoli guy.

Broccoli1984

[odd walrus]

Hello, I'm really debating on whether I should stick with my preorder I have for the Analogue 3D or cancel it and get the Modretro M64 instead. The fact that it's also 4K and is going to be open source, and it's $50 cheaper, makes me think it might be the better deal and better investment. But I know that Analogue is also known for it's very good quality consoles so maybe I should just get both and sell the one that ends being not as accurate or as good of quality compared to a real HD N64? If anybody with some insight could give me some advice I'd appreciate it.

[tepid shuttle]

i would cancel the preorder for the anal log 3D even if the M64 didn't exist

[green epoch]

M64’s core is made by Robert and is open source. Analogues core is (probably) made by Mazmars and is (as far as we know) closed source.

It will also (likely) be abandoned in a few years like the rest of analogue’s consoles

[tepid shuttle]

between analogue's numerous delays, dropped support for their older consoles, and empty promises (dac support when), i wouldn't even think twice about cancelling my pre-order if i had one

[green epoch]

Sorry, I should explain: Robert is the author of the mister n64 core.

Historically, there are still games that don’t run on analogue’s older consoles, so I’d expect that level of compatibility going forward

[tepid shuttle]

analogue's consoles have also historically been less accurate than the equivalent cores on mister, and i've no doubt that robert's n64 core (which the m64 is based on) will be better than whatever analogue brings to the table

[green epoch]

Also, you’re asking the wrong crowd as we will be heavily biased towards Robert’s work :).

Im buying both, but I make bad financial decisions on a daily basis

[tepid shuttle]

i don't know, obviously this server will be biased towards the m64, but i think even people "outside of the know" are tired of analogue's shit

[lament escarp]

And here I am, playing N64 games on mister like a caveman.

[green epoch]

Get back inside. I told you to make yourself scarce when we have company!

[lament escarp]

Ok, Dad.

[odd walrus]

Analogue's cores have been less accurate compared to Mister's?! And there are games that still don't run on their older consoles. Hmm this is really making me want to just be all on board for M64 instead. I mean it's fair that you guys would be biased towards anything Mister related. I kind of expected that. I'm planning on posting on the Analogue reddit as well to get other opinions. I really appreciate the help from y'all thanks!

[tepid shuttle]

they have, by a good margin too. afaik there's some games that still have issues on the super nt

doesn't help that they only have only a handful of devs working on everything, and i believe their firmware is all closed source. that last part really stings as they seem to drop support for their consoles rather quickly

mister cores on the other hand are all open-source and there's a lot more active development on them; updates for various cores are coming out all the time

[ember pewter]

I've you don't feel like getting savagely down voted I'd suggest hopping over to the fpgaming discord instead of reddit

[odd walrus]

Heh yeah sounds like a better plan actually. Thanks

[tender pine]

I don't dispute it based off Analogues closed source as and relatively small window of support after launch BUT when you say as far as I know some games still don't work on the Super NT can you please specify which games otherwise it sounds very Donald Trump...

And to prove - believe me or don't - I'm far from an Analogue fan boy I only a few days ago cancelled my pre-order when I found the M64 will be matching the Analogue 3D's video output 1:1.

It was only the 4K output from the Analogue 3D keeping my pre-order in place as I was led to understand the M64 would 'only be doing 1080p previously.

Now that it's been confirmed 4K I saw no good reason to keep my Analogue 3D preorder in place.

[tepid shuttle]

https://github.com/SmokeMonsterPacks/Super-NT-Jailbreak/issues

[tender pine]

Much better and entirely fair enough. I never as I say doubted it only when stating such a thing it's much better to show which games exactly.

Again to prove - if proof be needed - im no Analogue fan boy, does anybody else find it weird that the M64 was only showing MK64 running at the recent expo? Literally no other game seen running other than that one?

[tepid shuttle]

it's an important game to test as far as n64 emulation goes

they probably just wanted to use a single game that they know worked 100%

[tender pine]

That's all well and good and I wouldn't have reasonably expected a large library of games but oh I dunno maybe Mario 64 and Pilotwings OR if just wanting to showcase multiplayer F-Zero X and Gauntlet Legends?

Plus. Others have mentioned a 'new' controller or not being included. If I were in the position to advise Palmer Lucky I'd suggest don't include a controller. Particularly with the N64 people will either not be bothered and have a bunch of generic Bluetooth controllers lying around that should suffice OR people more like myself will be very picky and want to use a good condition OEM or similar.

[latent dagger]

I think it would fine to include an option for an "ok" third party N64 controller for those who don't have any controllers, don't have original hardware, aren't picky, and want to buy this thing as an alternative to buying an N64 on the second hand market.

But they could also just say they don't sell a controller and leave it to people to source their own regardless. For all the plebs of the world though who don't know anything about fpga and aren't in the community, they'll just see that it doesn't come with one and the analog does so analog is better as far as they'll be concerned from a consumer perspective.

[tepid shuttle]

i think they should include at least some kind of controller

whether it's some cheap 3rd party crap or something like the 8bitdo 64 though, that's up to them

[digital remnant]

The latest video mentions they have their own controller at least

Sounds like you have to buy extra accessories though

[tender pine]

Yeah not to make generalisation but I dont believe this like the Analogue 3D will appeal to anybody who's not the least bit in the know. A £200 N64 in 2025 is id argue for a particular audience already well versed in FPGA and the like. Almost guaranteed.

Sure include a controller possibly but particularly being N64 it's either got to be spot on or good enough-ish.

[worn delta]

One thing that I don't think ever got properly fixed was Mega CD support for the Mega SG. I had mine connected to a PAL Mega CD 2, and it was working but other models were not, and then they released their final FW update and mine stopped working properly. As far as I remember there was no solution but to go back to an earlier version.

[zinc dew]

I don’t know who mazamers is but I’m sure he’s a fine chap and I’m also sure he’s a skilled engineer. But Robert is a known quantity and has produced the best N64 emulator out there. So uhhhhh, I personally would just go with the known quantity that’s been publicly demonstrated and is also cheaper.

It’s kind of a no brainer lol.

I have zero interactions with ModRetro or Analogue, but I am biased towards FPGAzumSpass since he’s part of the MiSTer community and has made several amazing cores.

[zinc dew]

It’s using a real cartridge in a public space with fragile in development hardware. Swapping carts out to further demonstrate that the product is real would be a waste of time and could damage the hardware.

Like @tepid shuttle said, they likely chose it as they could verify that it worked 100% and it’s also a game everyone knows so it would hold up to close scrutiny in a public space.

It’s really a marketing thing. The engineer brain wants detailed and full coverage but the average person sees game they know working well and go “this thing works perfectly” and moves on.

[lament escarp]

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[cerulean elk]

Clearly we know why ModRetro is pushing so hard to show everyone "see it exists" lol

[zinc dew]

Yeah that’s the play right now.

[cerulean elk]

I really do not understand why Analogue just doesn't show something. I mean their hand is being played so poorly right now half my comments now call 3D vaporware

[zinc dew]

Because they are in China and are completely disconnected from public perception.

[cerulean elk]

and 1% call me a fascist so...cant trust comments!

[magic girder]

How many of that half are MiSTer shills?

[cerulean elk]

It goes like this; you only cover it because its the MiSTer core. You don't like Analogue and never cover their hardware (looks at Pocket playlist with confusion). You cover ModRetro because you like blowing people up overseas. ModRetro looks great and I am glad there is competition in the FPGA gaming space

[magic girder]

Fascist!

[cerulean elk]

apparently doing ModRetro videos is all it takes haha

I'd love to know what Robert hears on his end

[magic girder]

He probably stays away from social media like a smart person

[worn delta]

Well once both units are out it will be easy for someone with both to run tests and check things on both and compare the results

[magic girder]

I’m most interested in M64 vs MiSTer comparisons tbh

[cerulean elk]

yes comparative tests will be fun and easy to run in the games that throw issues up on MiSTer

stuff like the DK64 demo sequence timing

[worn delta]

You also have the N64 test ROMs to see what each passes and fails

[vapid hawk]

i wonder what the OSD/UX is like on the m64

[zinc dew]

I’ve already typed out my responses on how the tests are biased

Don’t you worry

[magic girder]

Test roms are useful for developers, but I kinda wish average Joe didn’t see them

[vapid hawk]

do you think they copied the mister OSD more or less or made something fancier

[zinc dew]

Probably made their own thing

[vapid hawk]

i mean i'm sure they coded their own thing

not implying literally copying

[cerulean elk]

Id imagine it has a nice visual front end UI

[magic girder]

Probably something similar to whatever the chromatic has, I would have thought

(No idea what it has)

[vapid hawk]

has the chromatic got one?

[lament escarp]

The chromatic menu would be what I'd take as a reference to speculate.

[magic girder]

it’s like we’re literally the same person

[lament escarp]

Yeah wait a sec I can take skme pics

[magic girder]

Have you guys tried my Pokemon rom hack? DX Azure

[worn delta]

It doesn't really need to, most people will just want it to boot into the game and not worry about settings. One thing to note though is both of these will presumably default to 1080p (maybe lower) video as if they defaulted to 4k they aren't going to work on a lot of 1080p screens

[vapid hawk]

they could do fancy edid i guess

[magic girder]

1080p?

(I’m kidding)

[magic girder]

Looks nice

[worn delta]

I wouldn't be surprised if a sizable number of the people buying them don't even set them to 4K on 4K screens unless there is some prompt to do so, assuming they do default to a lower resolution

[vapid hawk]

damn thats actually really cool

[lament escarp]

Sounds amazing. You put in your heart and soul and it really shows. We all love you.

[cerulean elk]

that looks so familar but I cant think from where

[zinc dew]

McChugget Nukken

[lament escarp]

That's actually really good and clever. You win this round.

[magic girder]

M64 should have a NESticle inspired UI

Actually, no. Genecyst

[lament escarp]

RETROARCH UI

Hope the m64 will have a magnesium alloy shell as well.

[cerulean elk]

why do you think they call him Grimmace

[civic wind]

Mazamers is cool. Both devs are nice people working for sort of shitty people. not much different situations

[green epoch]

yeah, maz seems like good people

robby will get to know them a lot better once they release the VB core :p

[magic girder]

He won’t even play it 😭

[modest helm]

Does anyone know if the M64 will allow USB controllers? I don’t see a USB slot

[unreal sundial]

I assumed those 2 small in the back are usb-c (non-power, that being the one w/ a cable)

[magic girder]

Maybe they’re for the other power leads? Just like how the SuperSEGA needed two power cables?

[iron wren]

M64 confirmed to require 3 15w usb c chargers at the same time, you heard it here first folks

[magic girder]

Isn’t that USB-A at the front?

Or microSD? Kinda hard to see

[blazing knot]

I think the microsd is on the back

[magic girder]

That’s what I thought too

[blazing knot]

The front looks like it could be a USB 3.0 port

With the blue coloring and all

[zinc dew]

He will instantly become my hero and I will die for him

Also like are you kidding

Is he actually working on a VB core

[modest helm]

I hope you’re right. To me it looks like a LED light slot to display that the system is on, kind of mimicking the red power light of the N64

[magic girder]

#1056040100141735986 message

[zinc dew]

Oh another post I read and forgot

[magic girder]

You even replied to it

[zinc dew]

Fml

[lament escarp]

So what noticeable improvement are y'all hoping for compared to the mister core?

I wanna be hyped as well but I don't think I could distinguish m64 and mister in a blind test.

[zinc dew]

disregard everything I said, Mazamars can do no wrong and I will protect him with my life

[green epoch]

It's ok. It was 300 years ago

[magic girder]

Cycle accurate slowdown

[plush summit]

These sunglasses are being used from getting blinded in HDR 😎

[magic girder]

If perfect dark runs at 15fps in the areas where it runs at 16fps on the MiSTer, I’ll be overjoyed

Almost as overjoyed as those nerds that get excited when they see another accuracy test pass that makes no discernible difference in games

[lament escarp]

Yeah that'll be easily worth it. I'll chug my mister right in the bin.

[magic girder]

If DK catches the vine… 🤯

[modest helm]

I wonder if the core running on the M64 is powerful enough to combine the stock and turbo cores so that you can simply toggle a turbo option in the menu. That’d be ideal

[lament escarp]

So do we want turbo or accurate slowdown?

[magic girder]

I want slowdown

[modest helm]

I want both depending on the situation

[magic girder]

If you want to bastardise your N64 experience, do it on a software emulator

(I’m kidding, but I never use turbo cores. Accurate slowdown is why I bought a MiSTer)

[lament escarp]

Basterdize is an unpleasant word. I'd say "ruin".

[zinc dew]

I stay out of those comments because I think I lack the knowledge and appreciation of what passing those tests mean.

Also I was very happy with the NES and SNES Classics

[magic girder]

I suspect 99% of the people that comment on them also don’t know

[zinc dew]

probably lol

Also I wouldn’t be able to tell what the N64 core isn’t accurate on

[magic girder]

I appreciate the devs and researchers going to that extreme level of accuracy, for sure

But I also get frustrated every time I see one and someone pops up asking why MiSTer doesn’t pass or whatever 😅

But maybe I just take things too seriously

[zinc dew]

I am mixed in that because personally I have the same perspective, but also i appreciate people continually to push for excellence

Sometimes it’s done in bad faith

[magic girder]

You know the best way of pushing for excellence?

A pull request

But the boss is here now so I’ll shut up 😅

[cerulean elk]

its garbage at playing Crash Bandicoot. 0/10

it's hard because its a double edged sword; we spend so much time talking about accuracy that one failed test makes people think we are blowing smoke up their ass. Explaining that test doesn't affect any game ever made and its just a synthetic is more difficult

so people see a failed test as a "gotcha" moment when they want to

[wanton sun]

I think the game patches dont influence mister much, but will be important to be removed for a product. Just as one example.

[blazing knot]

I could make a pissfingers test that only my special emulator will pass which will make it the actual most accurate emulator ever

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[blazing knot]

take that mister

[lament escarp]

That test already exists and I invented it. You squeeze something and when you have piss on your fingers afterwards it passed.

[slender hawk]

‎ 🎩

🧿👄🧿 ✨
‎ 🫴

[zinc dew]

Yeah, even if it’s obfuscated and people have no idea that it’s happening, it’s still something that feels must be addressed for a commercial product.

on the MiSTer, it’s just a work around due to hardware challenges so no one cares

[hushed nova]

don't worry, there will be inevitable posts like 'this is based on the mister core which has to use patches, this must use patches too!!!!!!'

[zinc dew]

I think it’s really cool just how public they are about it being the MiSTer core

[cerulean elk]

I dont get why 1% of people get so hung up on the patches. If you cant tell in gameplay why does it amtter?

[hushed nova]

AcCuRaCy

[hushed nova]

to be fair they were forced into that announcement due to that video, lol

I think they would have said it no matter, but maybe the timing wasn't what they initially wanted

[zinc dew]

Oh what video?

[cerulean elk]

the telltale frame counter

[iron wren]

It’s probably the difference between “able to run anything the hardware can be expected to run” and “able to run anything the hardware is expected to run, as long as a few things are corrected before running”

[zinc dew]

Oh yeah lol

[iron wren]

Robby going senile already

[zinc dew]

A lot of that is argued in bad faith, people looking for a reason to dismiss the MiSTer either due to jealousy or other emotions.

But there likely is a small percent of people who do genuinely care because any form of game modification could have unintended consequences which may change the original experience.

[zinc dew]

💯

[cerulean elk]

everyone in here when that video appeared on twitter

[zinc dew]

Still surprising how someone on their marketing team missed that or whoever recorded footage left debug options on.

I’ve recorded footage for public consumption so I can criticize!

[cerulean elk]

someone never played any of Robert's cores thats how

[plush summit]

Imagine if modretro tapped in the UFP64 gang before Analogue, would've been a hoot

[cerulean elk]

if M64 ships first that means MiSTer's N64 core beat Analogue to market...twice

[lament escarp]

Well, mister has the power of love behind it, so no wonder analouge can't compete.

[cerulean elk]

honestly I feel bad even giving Analogue shit in videos now. It feels like kicking someone when they are down. But holy shit how do they not realize that they could just show SOMETHING to keep everyone happy and patient. Instead they send meaningless emails that sound like they used ChatGPT

we have more "non rendered" photos of Bigfoot than we do Analogue 3D

[zinc dew]

They are a company releasing a product for sale. The onus is on them to prove themselves to have a compelling product.

People can be upset at the criticism but Analogue has a marketing and public relations department so it sounds like they need to be doing a better job.

[worn delta]

Robby seems to have missed the PC-FX channel, where Gumby is about to start working on the V810 CPU, also used in the VB...

[zinc dew]

Holy hell what the FUUUUUU

[cerulean elk]

honestly I am wondering if they DO have a PR and Marketing Dept

[zinc dew]

oh they may not, that’s a good point

Maybe just a person

Aside from reacting to criticism they do a good job otherwise

[paper orchid]

hilarious timing as i'm in the process of fixing my VB

[plush summit]

I mean, according to their sales, we enabled them to give 0 updates and accountability

[cerulean elk]

we have a PC-FX channel? lol

[zinc dew]

I moan a lot about Analogue but they are the market leader

[hushed nova]

dave and moondandy's hope springs eternal

[modest helm]

So is Gumby’s next project the PC-FX? I know he expressed interest

[magic girder]

Here

[cerulean elk]

least spicy console ever

[lament escarp]

Not for n64 they're not.

[magic girder]

UltraHLE > Analogue 3D

[zinc dew]

I can imagine it’s really challenging. The MiSTer core has had the entire backing of the community.

As brilliant as core programmers are, without the community not a single core would be anywhere close to as good as they are.

Takes a village to test a core

[unreal sundial]

could be intentional, like russ hanneman: always stay pre-revenue 😂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzAdXyPYKQo
once real photos are out, no imagination left

[magic girder]

You forget about a thing called “customers”

[zinc dew]

what how come

[lament escarp]

He likes to refer to them as consumers. They eat everything I guess.

[magic girder]

Just release it and use the customers to test it

[blazing knot]

That’s what analogue does already, except they don’t fix things

[magic girder]

🤑

[lament escarp]

Modern game devs through and through.

[magic girder]

I never said anything about fixing it later

[lament escarp]

Do they call gamers entitled when they complain after a bad release? ||If they ever release.||

[zinc dew]

Entitlement isn’t necessarily bad right

I feel as a consumer I’m entitled to some basic things

[magic girder]

Serious comment - I wonder if there will be any people who are concerned when the M64 is out because they forget/didn’t realise how bad the N64 performance was

[zinc dew]

Of course

[spare meadow]

@wanton sun , will M64 be able to run flashcarts like Summercart 64?

[worn delta]

If it does then M64 and Summercart could be the winning combo for playing N64 on a modern TV

[lament escarp]

Every time I heard it being used in the media it was basically to defend a developer or publisher after they got backlash for a poor product.

[zinc dew]

Yeah true, but I feel we should be entitled to a bare minimum of quality

[magic girder]

If there’s an opportunity to swing on Nintendo’s nuts, I’ll be there

[lament escarp]

Then require VRR!

[magic girder]

Nintendo said we don’t need it. Therefore we don’t

Just adjust the refresh rate of your eyes. It’s simple

[lament escarp]

Quality in execution but also quality in design. When EA put out battlefront 2 with those lootboxes it was completely hostile design, no matter how well the game is executed.

[tepid shuttle]

i'm with @worn delta and @spare meadow here; i hope the m64 team is doing some testing with the summercart. the 64dd support it has is one of the only things missing from the mister core imo

[plush summit]

I'm guessing if they can, they would try to implement the DD into the core itself

[worn delta]

It also has RTC for Animal Forest

Does it have virtual Transfer Pak support with all the GB mappers?

[cerulean elk]

"this hardware runs like shit. FPGA is a scam"....no that's just N64 🤣

[tepid shuttle]

i'm really hoping the turbo core (or some kind of turbo toggle) is available on the m64. as much as i love the n64, a lot of the games really do run quite slow

[solid cypress]

“Analogue3D is 100% compatible with every original N64 game ever made.”

it says this on the website so it must be true

[quick arch]

every time they said it

[zinc dew]

compatible doesn't mean accurate, just means it can work with it

if it can load every commercial game for the N64, even if some of them have issues, then I would consider that claim still valid; not being facetious

[worn delta]

Let's be honest, that is a really low bar for a commercial product. If it didn't play all the commercial carts then that would be really poor.

[lament escarp]

I'm more interested in a magnesium alloy shell controller with a sapphire glass bowl and a steel stick or something like that. If they nail that I'm game.

[solid cypress]

I’m joking, because they could put anything on the website and it won’t matter until it’s in people’s hands and independently tested

But I do think there’s a difference between claiming “compatible with 100% of games”, which would make sense, and claiming “100% compatible with every game”, which they currently do

[quick arch]

I wonder how they can have all catridges and test them all
They can do with linker but it doesn't mean it will work with real cartridge

[green epoch]

I kinda want to diff the duo page to see when they updated that

[quick arch]

it is more accurate way to inform customers 🙂

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I can imagine it’s tough in China to get a hold of a complete US/JPN set.

Almost guaranteed they’re using a flashcart for testing.

[bright lotus]

Or custom ROM loader on a custom in-house firmware

[worn delta]

You can business expense buying up old carts

[wanton sun]

Sorry cannot answer questions to product details yet that are not open confirmed. Probably it would be fine to do, but i dont want to get quoted for something and then schedule brings different priorities and people are upset.

[odd walrus]

Alright you've convinced me. I'm going to cancel my Analogue 3D pre-order and get the M64 instead. It just makes sense to do so and with how much credit and backing people give towards Robert makes me think this console might end up being better than what Analogue ends up making. Also thanks for the insight @tepid shuttle with the Super NT. That also helped. I'm SO excited for the M64 now. Especially since it'll be open source.🎇

[worn delta]

TBH at this point if you have a 3D ordered you may as well hold out a bit longer then flip it and make some money

[odd walrus]

That's another thing I was thinking about doing actually

[worn delta]

You will probably double your money, there will people not following this who debacle that will FOMO pay something silly to get one. If you cancel your preorder then Analogue will just sell it to someone else for more money post preorder fulfillment.

[plush summit]

yeah, if you can afford to hold onto it, you shouldnt cancel the order

[odd walrus]

Let's hope I can keep my current job then xD but yeah I can afford it. Thanks for the help guys

I just hope they let me know when the pre-orders will go live for the M64, so I can be ready and make sure it doesn't sell out too quickly

[weary palm]

I'm expecting both consoles to have extremely high compatibility. Especially with the retail titles.

[lament escarp]

A true fan would compare a full playthrough of quest 64 on all 3 platforms to oem. 😎

[weary palm]

But I don't want to buy no anal clog three-wanna be

j/k

[lament escarp]

You can't anyway, since they keep delaying it.

[knotty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-maqacue-hit-fight-japan-gif-8589049541256091485

[zinc dew]

I honestly think that both products are going to ultimately be really good in the end. Analogue hasn’t had any actual competition until recently and I assume they won’t allow another competitor provide a superior product without a fight.

[knotty zealot]

i'll fight those losers

[odd walrus]

Yeah I could see them both being very good high quality products. Personally whichever one runs Conker's Bad Fur Day and Diddy Kong Racing the best is the system I'll be keeping xD

[knotty zealot]

the pc runs those games best when they're decomposed. i mean decompiled.

[zinc dew]

Ok so this is an interesting comment to me. When you say “the best” do you mean most accurate to original hardware or do you mean with an option to run them at a better framerate.

This isn’t a trick question and no wrong answer, just interested in your perspective,

[odd walrus]

Yeah I would say most accurate. Although if there was a way to make the frame rate better than original hardware that'd be really nice

[odd walrus]

LMAO decomposed. I am still waiting on a decompilation of those two games. Especially since I'd like to see what modders could cook up for modding Conker

[knotty zealot]

conker is sheit. nothing can fix it.

[odd walrus]

I mean to be fair the platforming is annoying sometimes and I don't really like some of it's gameplay switch-ups especially the part where you ride the hoverboard over lava. I hate the way it controls. But the game just has a great charm about it that makes me come back to it sometimes to play a few of its chapters. I just don't see myself playing through the game all the way through again anytime soon. Also the multiplayer is pretty fun if you can get some buddies together

[odd walrus]

Oh forgot to do the reply message thing

[tepid shuttle]

decomposing rn

[tender pine]

What makes Conkers 'unplayable' for me is neither the controls or the frame rate. Its the prepubescent humour. It was cringe on initial release and it's only gotten worse since.

[tepid shuttle]

i'll have to agree there. it was never really funny to me (though it is impressive on a technical level)

diddy kong racing slaps though

[tender pine]

I mean Diddy Kong Racing is good but both Wave Race and Beetle Adventure Racing are the premium N64 racers. F-Zero X and honourable mention.

[tepid shuttle]

all good choices yes

[magic girder]

Conker is awesome. Played it for the first time when the core could play it - awesome game

[tender pine]

Like I said, prepubescent.

[zinc dew]

nohing you say will tak away from th genius that is grea mughy poo!

[little socket]

you know where to find him

[tender pine]

If I were pre-teens and the internet weren't a thing I'd likely have giggled at Conkers.

[knotty zealot]

is it fire?

[magic girder]

I can still enjoy the game

[tepid shuttle]

no cap

[tender pine]

I believe you @magic girder and this just goes further to prove my point.

[magic girder]

Ohh, buuuurn?

[magic girder]

Beetle adventure racing is absolutely top tier, for sure

[tender pine]

Don't let me influence you.

[magic girder]

You’re not? I discovered it the first time from one of @cerulean elk’s videos. I think it was one of the first games I played on the core actually

[tender pine]

Glad to hear it.

[cerulean elk]

then I did my job

[tender pine]

Seriously though, who the hell is @cerulean elk ??

[magic girder]

He makes YouTube videos

[tender pine]

Him and billions others.

What makes him an authority on N64 I should mean?

[magic girder]

#share-media

[cerulean elk]

International Man of Mystery

Regional Man of Cocksmanship

[magic girder]

Nothing. I just like his videos and he made me aware of that game

[tender pine]

I'll likely watch one now but I'm sceptical...

[magic girder]

Good….

[cerulean elk]

Oh little old me? 🤣

I just use this name here because people got made when I switched it to VGEsoterica like every other server

[lean sable]

Bacon's amazing

[tender pine]

Oh sh1t no you VGEsoterica?

[cerulean elk]

Your mother been telling stories about me again?

[lean sable]

You bet!

[tender pine]

No way to say this nicely but that content is not particularly interesting or educational. Feels like 99% of YouTube videos just recycled old hat.

Not VGEsoterica just but the mass amount of YouTube content.

[cerulean elk]

Lol well at least you didnt tap dance around it chief

[lean sable]

My content sucks so there's that

[tender pine]

Id label it more a distraction than interesting. You want interested and educational you should watch BBC archives. Tune in, not out.

[cerulean elk]

Shit you must be a HIT at parties

[tender pine]

Parties? No thanks. You couldn't pay me enough.

[cerulean elk]

I’ll be over in the corner killing high life tall boys and chatting where I belong

[magic girder]

And today’s award for head furthest up an ass goes to…

[cerulean elk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/webarchive/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Farchive%2Fgaming%2Fznqy6v4

[tender pine]

If having your head up your ass means you value good programming and not just quick distractions...sure.

[cerulean elk]

lol BBC archives has gaming content

Probably no high life though

[tender pine]

I know it does. It has a wide array of stuff.

Christ no wonder attention spans are slipping...

[cerulean elk]

I’ll do a British accent next time for you

[tender pine]

Dont. You'll only sound like Dick Van Dyke.

[turbid warren]

i'd be completely lost wrt setting up my mister without VGE so i think his videos are pretty informational for someone who just diving head first into this hobby for the first time imo

[tender pine]

Lost? It's all very well documented online.

[magic girder]

I like the “esoteric” part of the channel. I found out about a load of games I may have missed the first time around

[tepid shuttle]

vge is the only one who's made videos on hyper 64 and pc-fx hardware and software that were more than just quick overviews

[tender pine]

Sometimes less is more...

[little socket]

then he started doing mister slop

[chilly ember]

I hear he has more than one mister

[tender pine]

Then he's a yuppie consumer Gollum.

[hushed nova]

I heard he even has a de25

[tender pine]

Impossible. Nobody does.

[magic girder]

Sorg does

[tender pine]

Besides. DE25 isn't going to nearly do half of what people hopelessly dream or wish. What, PS2 or GC cores lol?

[hushed nova]

xbox

[little socket]

I was promised ps4

[cerulean elk]

And I’ll keep doing it! 😁

Well this has been fun. But I’m gonna go do something more exciting. I don’t need toenails right? Gonna go rip them out with some pliers

[tender pine]

DE25 isn't even going to amount to a PS5 Pro or anything. It's not going even going to increase the video output. PPL need to quit talking DE25 as if it were a next generation mister. It may be the equivalent of a mister on a slight health kick if that.

More important and interesting is squeezing every last drop out of the de10 as devs continue to do just that.

[neat sierra]

Yeah but what about the episode where VGEsoterica ranked all his waifu pillows into tiers.

[green epoch]

sounds like quitter talk to me

[tender pine]

Quitters quit.

[magic girder]

Thank god you’re here to tell people what is interesting and what isn’t

[tender pine]

Somebody needs to highlight it.

I didn't want that job. Just seen a massive vacancy.

[green epoch]

Has it occurred to you that maybe you aren’t the best person for that?

probably not

[zinc dew]

it's fine, everyone has different opinions

[weary palm]

If you off-loaded the image scaling to a second fpga, you would get more room for console logic and 4k capability. I don't think putting everything into a single FPGA is the best bang for the buck.

[weak hill]

turbo core, like the improved n64 version, we didnt have

[iron wren]

Distributed MiSTerputing

[weary palm]

The scaler takes up a good chunk of the available logic

[green epoch]

totally. it's less about the opinions and more about the attitude that accompany them imo

[weary palm]

We all have different onions.

[green epoch]

We are a purple onion only house

[weary palm]

I like scallions / shallots

In my burritos i want red onion

[green epoch]

no shame in being a small onion person

[chilly ember]

Onions have layers

[cerulean elk]

I’ve got a big pair of onions

[turbid warren]

love a good red onion

[weary palm]

Blue?

[cerulean elk]

Not unless I did it wrong

[slow silo]

Mario Kart 64 was one of the more problematic games to emulate for years, namely, the jumbotron on Luigi's Raceway, I assume the game was picked to show off that the jumbotron is working

[tepid shuttle]

also a good game for multiplayer, which is probably important in a crowd setting

[hushed nova]

my sources tell me it's actually just a mario kart 64 dedicated machine

[slow silo]

Isn't that only after they accidently showed Robert's framecounter in a twitter video showing it off?

[hushed nova]

my guy that was 8 hours ago

[slow silo]

Umm.... at least it's not MARS?

[slow silo]

"Hey! My Analogue isn't working with California Speed!" "We said original games, California Speed is very unoriginal, it's just a rip-off of Crusin USA"

[weary palm]

GoldenEye too.

[slow silo]

Multiplayer Goldeneye?

[tender pine]

Says Goldeneye too but does anybody have any footage of it doing just that?

[slow silo]

I'm not even expecting the DE25 to do Dreamcast, I think at most it might allow us to have a fully accurate N64 core and maybe a 32XCD core

[weary palm]

I don't think so.

[slow silo]

Feels like the DE-25 will be more of a Mister 1.2 rather than a 2.0 or even a 1.5

[weary palm]

I don't think anyone is expecting Dreamcast anytime soon on ANY FPGA.

[slow silo]

Only ones I know of that claimed so, one is vaporware and likely dead, and the other has been stuck in dev hell for years

Would love to get Gen 6 someday but that's highly unlikely, but would be nice to at least have DC then since the others are way way out of reach

[weary palm]

Oh, I don't count those. They're obviously liars.

[slow silo]

Maybe would even allow for something like Hikari whose software emulation support is near nonexistant

I don't think the Replay2 is a liar so much as stuck in dev hell

MARS though.... well, if you can't say anything nice, I am going to say nothing at all

[weary palm]

Well, I'm not convinced.

[cerulean elk]

Hikaru is a mess. Way over DC and NAOMI spec and even finding a working one is like rocking horse shit rare

[slow silo]

NO!

Don't rock it!

The GPU will literally unsolder itself

And yeah, I hear the Hikaru is basically like a Dreamcast Pro

Still well well under PS2/GC/Xbox spec though

[cerulean elk]

On some of the custom silicon it may be punching above PS2 spec

[slow silo]

??? There were variants of the Hikaru that were even more powerful?

[weary palm]

i don't think they're comparable. the ps2 does 4 times the flops of a hikaru.

[cerulean elk]

Yes but just like DC vs PS2 certain aspects of the hardware can win out

[blazing knot]

flops is a nearly useless metric to gauge console “power”

[weary palm]

sure

they're just metrics.

but when the gap is that substantial it means something to me

[odd walrus]

I really need to give that game a try. I've heard it mentioned a lot

[magic girder]

You definitely should. It’s great!

The levels are so much fun

[odd walrus]

I just wanna say that I love your videos man. I look forward to anything you put out that I find interesting. Mostly, Mister developments and anything N64 related. I started watching you back when the Mister N64 core was early on showing signs of working with Mario 64 when the graphics were all weird, but it was such a fascinating thing to look at. I was rooting for Robert to get more things compatible as it went along and it was just an amazing ride. I'm so grateful for your content. I like to listen to it while I'm at work when I need something in the background to help me get through my rough day. Your voice is really soothing too.

[cerulean elk]

Appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed and I hope I get more people into FPGA gaming along the way

[odd walrus]

Yep, the more the merrier

[slow silo]

That phrase has been ruined for me thanks to Robotnik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMFFfsXLlbA

[odd walrus]

xD I'm sorry it just came to mind

[weak hill]

guys, 1 question, does m64 support 4k output, like analogue 3d?

[hushed nova]

they claimed it will, yes

[mossy vector]

Because it's that critical to have one source pixel equal 81 pixels

[weak hill]

1 thing i was considering important was that, but now m64 suppports it too, and it will be open source, and the core its done by Robert, damn thats hard to beat haha

[zinc dew]

It makes sense to support 4k. It will minimize any scaling lag from the TV and will allow for more finely detailed filters and shadow masks.

But otherwise no benefit.

[hushed nova]

I'm more interested in 'open' part alongside 4k60

[mossy vector]

Yeah hopefully it's a git repo that others can compile without dropping 5 figures for a yearly subscription

Sky's the limit in FPGA land.

[zinc dew]

yeah, the open source part is the most exciting for me. Like genuinely actually open unlike openFPGA.

well I’m hoping so anyways. We’ll see I guess.

[worn delta]

I still don't understand how they would legally be able to have 4k HDMI output and be open source, if the scaler isn't locked away on another FPGA. That was my understanding from the various conversations about this. Will be interesting to see how they square that circle.

[iron wren]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the scaler is squirreled away in a separate dedicated chip, but we shall see

[weary palm]

it has two fpga's

I don't understand what you're saying @worn delta . 4K is locked behind some license ?

[hushed nova]

hdmi 4k is, more or less

spec is not open, you are required to sign NDAs/agreements to get chip documentation and you must pay fees to hdmi forum

[worn delta]

Is it confirmed the M64 has two FPGAs?

I didn't think it had and nobody spotted one on the images of the board

[weary palm]

Not in text, but you can clearly see it in the photos.

or what is that big ST Microelectonics chip?

i guess it could be a microcontroller. forget what i said about "clearly" xD

[weary palm]

Yeah, it's an STM32 variety. if i squint enough. 🙂

[weary palm]

My best guess about the FPGA is an AMD/Xilinx Artix Ultrascale+ XCAU15P.
(Could also be a XCAU25P.)

[latent dagger]

darn you HDMI and your greed
-# shakes fist at the sky

would be interesting to see this new universal connector that's been made in China somehow take off everywhere else due to it being superior spec, all in one, and most importantly: free. (at least I think it's free like as in open source or something)

[bright lotus]

oh god, no! no!

we're gonna be redoing hdmi mods again!!

[latent dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pU34Qoltc

it's called GPMI. This short clip from the WAN show covers the quick and dirty specs.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/china-launches-hdmi-and-displayport-alternative-gpmi-boasts-up-to-192-gbps-bandwidth-480w-power-delivery

here's a Toms article as an alternative if you wanna read

[civic wind]

I’m assuming it’s just running the Xilinx 4k core, which is as much a black box as a closed source hdmi 4k transmitter asic

[weary palm]

Isn't USB-C pretty universal already? It can carry video and audio to my screens at least ..
And why does DP need an alternative? Isn't it without a license already?

[little socket]

Connector manufacturing industry gotta eat too

[cerulean elk]

the fact that 4K HDMI is still so obscured from regular usage yet also the de facto standard across everything is the most monpolistic bullshit around

[weary palm]

Yeah. It's us consumers that have to pay for it in the end.

[iron wren]

computers were a mistake

[zinc dew]

Ok dumb question but can’t hdmi 4k be reverse engineered or done in a different manner that doesn’t require its own fpga?

[cerulean elk]

Without researching much I am sure you'd get hit with 1) its still a patented tech from the HDMI consortium so even with RE you'd run afoul of something 2) its encrypted so you'd have to basically break that and you COULD argue an exemption for interoperability / research but 3) big rich corporations are going to fucking KILL YOU in court anyway

and thats why the HDMI consortium pushes this so hard; they don't want a world where every new tv has a DP port on the back. Plus the tv manufacturers in many instances are part of the HDMI consortium so they shove only HDMI on their tvs to build a world where everyone has to obtain licenses to create devices that interface with their tvs. So most tv manufacturers are making profit off the sale of the TV and also off licensing fees for HDMI

and Intel sees $$$ because they developed in part HDCP

tl;dr its the money

[blazing knot]

Yeah at that point you might as well just use DisplayPort since it’s not encumbered by so much legal bullshit, but alas HDMI is the king in TV world

[cerulean elk]

but considering the tv manufacturers in part also "own" HDMI youll never get a world where DP is the de facto standard because that's just leaving money on the table

[blazing knot]

It’s a racket all the way down

[unreal sundial]

but going back to this use case, can we not use an adapter?

[blazing knot]

Kinda surprised they haven’t roped nvidia and AMD into it as well by “streamlining the output options” on their cards

[zinc dew]

Wow that’s all shit

[cerulean elk]

adapting a signal still requires interfacing with the signal and that still requires THE SIGNAL which means licensing

[unreal sundial]

gotcha, but lots of cheap ones available? just going back to mister alike projects not adopting hdmi

but we consumers can resolve w/ a cheap adapter? i don't know, very ignorant in hardware

[cerulean elk]

it all ends up in lawsuits. Someone was making cheaper RED Mags and they got sued into oblivion even though they reverse engineered it

[blazing knot]

DE-10 nano had HDMI on the board so we already paid for HDMI in the price of the thing, and for clones it wouldn’t have been a good idea to break compatibility by not including HDMI

[cerulean elk]

you could have a custom FPGA board that outputs DP and adapt to HDMI yes

if you wanted a clean break from the consortium and licensing you'd develop a 4K output FPGA board with DP out and then let the end user adapt that signal to HDMI for display on their TVs

[blazing knot]

I’m sure stuff like direct video could be adapted to DP as well though

[unreal sundial]

cool, that's something. so mister 2 4k wen 😂

[blazing knot]

But I think the incentive to do that within the mister ecosystem just hasn’t been there

more work than it’s worth and all that

[cerulean elk]

HDMI is a master class in marketing; DisplayPort is licensing free, its a better standard with higher resolutions and data bandwidths...and yet HDMI is still the de facto standard

[blazing knot]

I’m trying to think of anything HDMI can do that DP can’t and I don’t know if DP has any equivalent to ARC

[unreal sundial]

seems like marketplaces dynamic, hard to move sellers and consumers at once

[magic girder]

I thought displayport was a failed connection that only existed on macs a long time ago. TIL

[blazing knot]

But that’s definitely not something that only HDMI could do

[blazing knot]

DP is still the king for desktop PCs

[unreal sundial]

yes, I tend to find better refresh rates. wondering if we should move to #misc-hardware 😅

[magic girder]

I haven’t had a desktop PC since 2008 😅

I don’t count the PoS thing I use for emulation because I haven’t even looked at what it has on the back 😅

Since it gets turned on once every few months at most

[blazing knot]

Ah, yeah DP has been the go to for most users since the 2010s

It’s always been ahead of HDMI in terms of bandwidth and resolution support like awbacon said

[cerulean elk]

haha all my studio monitors are on DP

[magic girder]

I think my monitor supports it but I’m a USB-C man 😅

[blazing knot]

Not to fear, DisplayPort over USB-C exists!

[magic girder]

I just plug it into my Mac and things work

[unreal sundial]

https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-station-4/

sent from my mac via DP

[magic girder]

18 ports?!

I use 1 😎

[unreal sundial]

I love it, connect macbook to it via 1 cable

[blazing knot]

Thunderbolt

[magic girder]

Pretty amazing how quickly you forget about all this stuff when you don’t have to worry about it 😅

[lament escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-pikachu-thunderbolt-pikachu-uses-thunderbolt-gif-6413014571766445323

[blazing knot]

Thunderbolt docks are the printers of connectivity. They only work when they want to and if they don’t fuck you

[magic girder]

Maybe I’m getting old and the young whippersnappers will mock me for not understanding technology

[unreal sundial]

these caldigits cost a fortune but always work perfectly for me, at least with mac

[blazing knot]

Maybe like printers, the problem is that I have an HP brand one through work 🤣

[magic girder]

(Also it’s really easy to think everyone uses a computer in the same way you do)

What do you even plug into your dock?!

[unreal sundial]

everything

[magic girder]

My work setup is literally monitor -> MBP, one wire. 😅

Everything else is wireless

[cerulean elk]

capturing Mac MAME footage for a video was an utter failure. Two diff docks, both kept having connection errors. I ended up just screen recording the fucking thing'

[blazing knot]

Wireless

[unreal sundial]

I literally exhausted the bandwidth of the one cable from the mac to it

[magic girder]

The monitor is connected to the router via Ethernet. That goes into the Mac via USB-C

[unreal sundial]

because your monitor is the dock but they tend not to be as good (edit: oh I didn’t see, rest is wireless)

(I assume)

[magic girder]

Yep

But what does it need? 😅

[blazing knot]

But no for real it’s all just my USB peripherals and monitor

Mouse, keyboard, mic, webcam, speakers

[magic girder]

USB peripherals? Like your printer, scanner? 😅

[blazing knot]

Gotta have those all for work

[magic girder]

Do you guys also have to use fax machines and pagers for work too?

[blazing knot]

My HP PissfingersBook that work provides isn’t as fancy as a Mac 😔

[slender hawk]

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[blazing knot]

Gotta have that corporate spyware, sorry “Endpoint Monitoring” software so I’ll gladly take this over doing that on my personal machines

[magic girder]

I don’t blame you there

[hushed nova]

if you want users to be able to purchase a passive adapter, you are just outputting hdmi over displayport, which is licensed the same way. otherwise you have to use active adapters, which can be hit or miss and are a bit more fiddly

[civic wind]

We should just output really really fast VGA to do 4K

[hushed nova]

imagine users trying to find a dac that handles that

[little socket]

what else do I have a m4k analogue bridge for?

[worn delta]

I see Palmer Luckey talked to Joe Rogan for three hours the other day. Did he mention the M64 at all?

[lament escarp]

One of us is gonna sit through those 3 hours and it ain't gonna be me.

[cunning cradle]

I would rather get a root canal

[chilly ember]

Only clip i saw palmer showed off the chromatic and rogan looked wildly uninterested

[plush summit]

Joe found out how useless and boring tech bros are today

[chilly ember]

Why was he on joe rogan in the first place? To talk about military hardware?

[lament escarp]

Why is anyone there?

[plush summit]

Rich person who has ideas is a Joe specialty

[lament escarp]

Let's hope Robert never needs to sit down with Joe Rogan. ||Though it would probably be hilarious.||

[worn delta]

Have put it on in the background while I do chores, I know nothing really about this guy, will see if console stuff comes up

Total aside, but I guess both Analogue and M64 will likely be able to dump carts which would be nice

[lament escarp]

But with cfw at least. The chromatic also can't dump cartridges.

And thank you for your sacrifice. 🫡

[worn delta]

Oh, that's interesting, I assumed it would have. Although it can't play ROMs can it?

Just carts?

[lament escarp]

Just carts. And it even has issues with my gbx7. It works with my gbx3 and another user reported it works with their gbx5.

IG cartridges work as well.

[worn delta]

Interesting the M64 will be open source after Chromatic wasn't. I wonder if they can, or plan, to update it to be open source after they pull it off for M64

[unreal sundial]

the chromatic was supposed to be oss
https://modretro.com/pages/downloads
https://github.com/ModRetro/chromatic_fpga

[worn delta]

Maybe they will just just skip and do it for the inevitable GBA one

[lament escarp]

Afaik chromatic is open source as well since it's based on the mister core. Ruleset also made his own cfw to use bluetooth speakers with it.

[worn delta]

I suspect the Chromatic was a bit of a proof of concept and will be made pretty much obsolete by a more powerful GBA device

[lament escarp]

I'm still happy with my chromatic as I never liked playing gb games on gba. But I'll grab a hypothetical modretro gba for sure if it has a display as the chromatic.

[worn delta]

Not knocking it at all, just musing on the possible trajectory of this company.

I didn't appreciate this Palmer Luckey guy was a billionaire who ran a console modding forum as a teen. Seems like a someone from the wider community who got mad rich and can just have people make him FPGA consoles because he wants to, he probably doesn't even need to really care about profit. Definitely feels like if he wants to keep doing more of these then will be the death knell for Analogue with their various issues getting things out and ties to China in a shifting world of price spikes and tariffs.

[chilly ember]

He just seems fpga elon musk to me

[hushed nova]

he could also get bored of all this in 3 years and just stop

[little socket]

Well, he got rich by being bought by facebook, got fired for being an early trump supporter and now finances some fpga stuff when not developing weapons.

[worn delta]

He definitely could get bored, but if he wanted to he could definitely be a massive force in the retro gaming world. I find it interesting for example, he or Elon, or someone hasn't set up a "charity" that just gives out money to gaming preservation or emulation development patrons etc. would be interesting to see what a pot being used to better bankroll archivists and scanners like Gaming Alexandria, or decappers like Furrtek, or decomp people, or FPGA/emulation Devs to quit their day jobs if they wanted and just code, would wind up doing.

[lean sable]

Ngl the Rogan podcast is pretty interesting so far lol

[worn delta]

Yeah, had it on while hanging out the washing and getting dinner prepped, is an interesting conversation.

[chilly ember]

What does the podcast consist of? I have assumed it would be mainly be about military stuff

[worn delta]

It's wide ranging in the first hour, some stuff about how he got started with Oculus and VR, John Carmack, quite a bit about manufacturing, and insight into how well China is doing at certain things like how good and cheap to make their cars are.

[magic girder]

I don’t know anything about him so I’ve been able to remain oblivious to the internet backlash, but he did always seem like a person who was genuinely into gaming

And fwiw, it’s a good place being oblivious to things sometimes. It means you don’t have to get angry about every little thing

[worn delta]

Yeah, same here, I didn't even realise he was behind Oculus, I knew nothing about the guy at all until his name started to come up here a few months ago

[lean sable]

I never heard modretro or the m64 until maybe a month or so ago when people were talking about it. Yes, there's military stuff talk, stuff about a copper jacket, robots, drones, aliens, some politic stuff, going from oculus to weapons. Super smart dude for sure and some very cool stuff. Still got an hour left. I like to find stuff out for myself so this is pretty neat.

Edit: second half talks about studying animal communication and intellectual potential, strange UFO USOs type stuff, the Gameboy, nostalgia, a really sweet helmet that picks up a ton of stuff and shares the info with others synced in the area, and armor battery combo plates. 👌

[worn delta]

He actually makes a sage point early on about people who shout at him for "providing weapons to X and Y", his point being he only provides/makes weapons tech for the US Department of Defense/War, and they decide who they provide arms to and what they do with them. You wouldn't want to live in a world where a cabal of arms manufacturers decide who does and doesn't get arms, as that is the stuff of cyberpunk dystopia. He has a point there. Anyways, this is way off topic.

[magic girder]

I was going to make the same point but figured I wouldn’t 😅

[lean sable]

If there's half as much effort put into his other life's stuff as in the M64, it's gonna be lit lol

The N64 reigns on lol

[magic girder]

He’s working with one of the all time great core developers, so it’s highly likely 😅

Maybe someone needs to get him hooked on the Dreamcast…

[lament escarp]

GBA is the next priority though.

[weary palm]

I'm going to write "I'm a Swedish leftist. Trump sucks." in my order. That'll teach him.

[green epoch]

fucking GOT EM

[lament escarp]

Lucky can't do much damage anyway as long as people keep voting in a sensible government.

[green epoch]

Oh yeah, its been going great for us so far

[modest helm]

I know it's far off if it happens, but it feels like the fabled DS core from Robert may come to the M64 someday

I'm assuming the M64 is powerful enough for it as it seems to be the one console that's just out of reach of the MiSTer's capabilities

[hidden wind]

Hey guys, I really need your help. Yesterday, I turned on my MiSTer again for the first time in a while and ran the 'update_all' script. This evening, I wanted to play a round of Pokémon Stadium 2. But when I try to load Pokémon Crystal via the virtual Transfer Pak, the game keeps saying that the Transfer Pak wasn't detected and that I should check the connection. What am I doing wrong?

I'm starting Pokémon Crystal via the Game Boy Tower.

[worn delta]

Does it still work for you on a previous version of the core?

Or wait, does tower actually work without the RTC? I know it isn't fully supported

[hidden wind]

That could actually be the reason why Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal aren't working. Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow run without any issues.

I think my battery has died.

[worn delta]

I am rusty on this stuff, let me check what GB mappers are supported

[hidden wind]

It must be the battery. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to play Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow.

[worn delta]

Oh you are using an actual cart?

[hidden wind]

I'm pretty sure that Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal worked without any issues the last time.

[worn delta]

Ignore that above then, that is for virtual transfer pak

Actual cart should work fine

[hidden wind]

I'm using the virtual Transfer Pak.

According to your table, Pokémon Crystal is only partially supported. What does that mean?

[worn delta]

Not all those mappers are supported, and different versions use different mappers

So it says in the comments that are cropped off:
Gold & Silver are working, but Crystal doesn't load

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H4KYg0gsOWGayioXKSETtlM7d7g3Tk4w0QXqtXvugG8/edit?gid=622106067#gid=622106067

[hidden wind]

The file has the word 'EverDrive' in its name. Does that refer to the flash cart?

[worn delta]

Preumaby the pack it is from

But regardless, Crystal doesn't work on the core, but Gold and Silver are reported to

[hidden wind]

And I'm pretty sure that I was able to play Crystal.

[hidden wind]

It actually doesn't seem to work. I must have been mistaken. It's quite possible that I tested the whole thing on the Ares emulator and it worked there. Is Robert actually planning to support MBC3A/MBC3B mappers on the virtual Transfer Pak? Or is that technically not feasible?

[worn delta]

No space left sadly for any more mappers or features

[worn delta]

So 2 hours 26 minutes he whips out his "knock off Gameboy" he has a special version made of some metal alloy used to make drones and a Marge crystal sapphire screen

[lament escarp]

If it's an magnesium alloy shell with a sapphire glass display it's not special at all. The first ones were all like that but afaik later they also offered the device with a simple gorilla glass display.

[wanton sun]

i think you should be able to get the pokemon out of virtual gen2 to use them in the game, but not pokemon tower, which only works with gen1. You can instead use the gb core as the saves are shared.

[hidden wind]

Hi Robert, by the way, the Pokémon caught in Gen. 2 can't be transferred into Pokémon Stadium 2 battles. As soon as I select the module, the same screen appears, explaining that the connection to the Game Boy module has been interrupted.

[lament escarp]

Just tried it and had no issue loading pokemon crystal in stadium 2 and starting a prime cup battle with my team.

[latent dagger]

perhaps update_all isn't actually updating the N64 rbf like it's supposed to. Check that the version of the core you have is the latest one and if not, just manually grab it and replace it.

[wanton sun]

i cannot try right now, but maybe you can write your exact config: US stadium + US crystal + 4 controllers, first with tranfer pak, other 3 without any pak?

maybe there us some config that doesnt work for some reason.

[lament escarp]

It's working for me, @hidden wind has the issue.
Unless you need to know which is the working setup?

[hidden wind]

I will test it this evening and let you know whether it worked or not. I downloaded the latest version of the N64 core from the GitHub page. That should be the current version.

It would obviously be nicer if it worked through the virtual Transfer Pak. To be honest, I really don’t want to miss the benefits of the Gameboy Tower. I ordered the Snac adapter last night because I really want to play the Gen. 2 games through the Gameboy Tower.

[wanton sun]

Yes was asking for a known good setup. Virtual gen2 with rtc would be a huge pain. Either it needs to be there 4 times or extreme care and testing when loading and saving back is required.

[tender pine]

I dunno but having played both the Perfect Dark PC port and XBLA Goldeneye remaster - i.e both games in their best light - I'm shockingly of the opinion now Perfect Dark is worlds better. Yet. Both played on N64 I still favour Goldeneye. Can both things be true?

Now with Duke Nukem Zero Hour having been given the full decomp treatment, we have a new challenger...

[zinc dew]

Perfect Dark was always the better game, nostalgia just drives people to prefer Goldeneye. But I understand people having a preference for the simpler gameplay (not in a bad way) and James Bond license.

And “better” is subjective of course.

[plush summit]

I'm pretty sure Goldeneye objectively has the better levels, mainly why people cared

[zinc dew]

I gotta think on that one

[plush summit]

I beat both and I can tell you I never remembered PD

[tender pine]

Not sure I entirely agree 'better' being subjective. Sure you have to dig down deeper but it can be objectively explained as to why.

Like for example using a different medium you can quite easily quantify why say the OG Jurassic Park is 'better' than any of its sequels.

[green epoch]

I can dig pretty deep and demonstrate why both games are objectively "bad"

[iron wren]

That’s justifying an opinion, not objectifying one.

[zinc dew]

People prioritize different things as part of the experience and different goals + benchmarks dictate whether or not the thing being evaluated hits those marks.

Plus the person who’s performing the evaluation needs to be considered as to whether or not they’re fit to do so if they’re attempting to provide an objective evaluation.

Most people aren’t fit to provide objective evaluations as they’re not peer reviewed or experts in what’s being evaluated.

which is why I use subjective because that’s frankly a lot nicer than saying “you’ve got zero expertise or authority to provide any sort of objective evaluation”

lol

[lament escarp]

I feel like this explanation is objectively better.

[blazing knot]

That’s pretty subjective ngl

[lament escarp]

You've got zero expertise oe authority to provide any sort of objective evaluation.

[zinc dew]

The problem with games is that it’s mostly an artistic medium that evokes emotional reactions and everyone processes emotions differently.

There’s too many variables to consider when attempting to provide an objective fact-based evaluation if you’re talking about the nuance of how your own personal reaction to the game impacts your evaluation of it.

[blazing knot]

All jokes aside I completely agree

[lament escarp]

Yeah art is subjective

And Robby did some great art in his time.

[zinc dew]

but if you tell me this game handles voxel rasterization more efficiently due to the provided code examples and surrounding circumstances, then sure, that’s probably an objective statement

no emotion or introspective evaluation there

I don’t think so anyways lol

But also if you tell me you think this game is objectively better like I ain’t gonna argue you. It’s better for you and I’m not you so what do I know.

[lament escarp]

Even if a game handles a certain technical aspect objectively better it can still make a game subjectively worse for altering the atmosphere/mood/vibes.

[green epoch]

Mario 64 is the best n64 game btw

H I D D E N G E M

[unreal sundial]

yes, there is indeed extensive research by experts on this as the objective conclusion. If we don't get it, it means we don't know enough

[green epoch]

it's also responsible for one of the greatest video game youtube videos of all time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A

(objectively)

[hidden wind]

I’m still having the same problem. As soon as I try to load Pokémon from my Crystal save file into the Mini-Cup in Pokémon Stadium 2, the game crashes. I’m using the German versions of both games.

The save file from Pokémon Crystal comes from the Game Boy Color core.

[hidden wind]

Here is a video.

[lament escarp]

I had tried it with the English versions and don't have the german versions at hand right now.

[hidden wind]

It really shouldn’t make any difference whether I use a German or an English ROM. I honestly can’t imagine that you’d have to write a separate line of code in the core for each version.

[lament escarp]

Yeah but it's the only difference I can think of. Got both roms in the n64 games folder? Though afaik it should also work if you have kristall in the gb games folder. But I have it in n64 for convenience.

[hidden wind]

Did I understand correctly that both the N64 ROM and the GBC ROM have to be in the same directory? And what about the save file — does it also have to be in the same directory?

[lament escarp]

They don't have to be, but I have a copy of the rom in the n64 games folder since that's where the mister defaults to when you load the gb rom in the n64 core.

The save file should be where the core puts it. And the n64 core sees the gb core as seen in your video.

[hidden wind]

I believe this is a bug. I just can’t quite understand why it doesn’t work with a German ROM.

For the Gen 1 games, it doesn’t matter which directory the games are in. And if I understood Robert correctly, the virtual Transfer Pak automatically pulls the save file from the correct directory.

[lament escarp]

You could try the English versions just to see if it's really the German versions that cause this or something else.

[hidden wind]

It’s definitely a bug. It works perfectly with the US version. Here’s the proof.

It doesn’t make any sense to me. You wouldn’t write separate code for each version, would you?

[blazing knot]

No but locations of data could vary slightly between versions

Idk if that’s the case in gold and silver

[hidden wind]

Speaking of Gold and Silver! Both games crash for me in the Game Boy Tower over time. However, this only affects the German versions.

[lament escarp]

That would be with a transfer pak over snac? Since the core can't do game boy tower for gen2 at all.

[hidden wind]

So Gold and Silver can be launched via the virtual Transfer Pak and run for a while, but eventually they crash.

And I still believe that Crystal worked as well.

[hidden wind]

Do the Gen 2 games at least work with the SNAC adapter?

I thought that was supposed to work?

[latent dagger]

Are you using the US version of stadium?

[lament escarp]

Afaik the mapper for the gen2 games isn't implemented so they can't be emulated on the gb tower. But snac works since that doesn't require the mapper on the fpga.

[hidden wind]

Since I live in Germany, I play the German versions.

[lament escarp]

Schland.

[hidden wind]

Furthermore, I just noticed that regardless of the version, if I don’t fully load Gold or Silver in the Game Boy Tower, I can play for a little while before the game crashes. However, if I fully load one of the games into the virtual Transfer Pak, it crashes right after the intro.

Is that a known bug?

This is such an ambitious project. Why wasn’t there an effort to get the most out of the core and the technical limitations of the FPGA chip? If I understood Robert correctly, an FPGA emulation of Gen 2 via the virtual Transfer Pak would be technically possible.

It would just require a lot of work, and Robert currently has neither the time nor the motivation for it.

[lament escarp]

There just isn't space for it on the fpga.

[hidden wind]

Oh, I see — then I misunderstood that.

[lament escarp]

I prefer to play on the gb core anyway since it works with romhacks unlike the gb tower.

[hidden wind]

That’s a subjective opinion, which I can understand. I have very fond childhood memories of the Game Boy Tower, which is why I would always prefer it.

[lament escarp]

I just stated my personal preference.

[hidden wind]

I’ll test one of the older N64 cores in the next few days. I still believe that Crystal used to work — at least you could load the game.

[zinc dew]

@hidden wind how come you want to play using the N64 core? Is it to transfer digimon to the N64 game?

[hidden wind]

I’m going to ignore this comment. I won’t stoop down to that level.

You know, the smarter one gives in.

[lament escarp]

Digimon is really cool though.

[zinc dew]

lol ok, ignore the digimon troll, why do you want to play through the transfer pak

I call all pokeymons digimons

[lament escarp]

Devalue the brand. Give power to the people.

[hidden wind]

Because the core gives the player the option to switch to a virtual Transfer Pak. If that option didn’t exist, I would never have brought up this topic. For me, it’s a quality-of-life feature to have everything digitally on an SD card, rather than on a Game Boy cartridge, where I feel like I have to replace the battery every year and watch my save data disappear.

[zinc dew]

Oh I see, you’re backing up your physical game save essentially.

[lament escarp]

Just fyi there are flashable cartridges from inside gadgets you can use that use fram instead of sram for saves. I use that for romhacks. But it works with original games as well of course.

[hidden wind]

Especially with Generation 2, you can quickly play over 100 hours and naturally don’t want to lose your save. One could also go with the solution of regularly backing up the save using a cartridge adapter—but that’s too cumbersome for me. Pokémon Stadium 1 + 2 was the only reason I bought the Mister.

[zinc dew]

Very cool!

Well I’m sorry it’s not working out the way you want but I’m glad you picked one up

[hidden wind]

Thanks for the tip!

[magic girder]

I’m confused, why not play on the GB core?

Oh, preference

[latent dagger]

holy crap, I forgot all about that show.... that's an obscure deep dip into the past lol

I like the GB core for GB/C games. it works perfectly, plays romhacks just fine, and has Super Gameboy border support.

N64 core is reserved for playing Castlevania

[chilly ember]

That's the main thing i remember fron the digimon movie lol

[weary palm]

Perfect Dark has better levels obviously.

Carrington Villa is legendary

Pelagic 2 is an awesome stage as well.

[swift drift]

I took some photos of it when I was there.

[lean sable]

I'm curious as to what the potentiometer is for. A speed knob? Lol

[chilly ember]

That's to turn on turbo mode

[lean sable]

Yeah buddy!

[weary palm]

Could you tell the part number on the Xilinx Artix FPGA? I really want to know.

It's not a potentiometer. It's a rotary encoder. It's to navigate the menus without a controller.

[lean sable]

Ah ok. Dang

[weary palm]

I hope it doesn't have that limitation the MiSTer has — not being able to use the menus with original controllers and SNAC.

That would be a shame. But I doubt it has this limitation.

[swift drift]

That's my bad for not getting a top-down photo.

[wanton sun]

same here, also played gen1 on it. The issue with gen2 is not so much the mapper, only rtc. I will take a look why gen2 doesnt work with the german version, but i cannot promise when. Could it be that it uses a different mapper or is different size?

[wanton sun]

that limitation is mostly because it is wanted that way. There would be no issue to report back controller state to hps and let it control the osd for most if not all the snac controllers.

[vapid hawk]

that would be a really nice qol feature

though i also kind of understand not wanting to compromise snacs purity at all

[hushed nova]

I think it is more that way because no one wanted to write controller decoder code for every core

and it gets complicated when the controller polling for the system is stateful

[wanton sun]

yes, maybe bad if some cores can do it and some do not

[hushed nova]

#fpga-platforms message

[zealous heath]

@wanton sun will The M64 Play Everdrive ore summercards ?

[iron wren]

He has stated he won’t discuss anything that hasn’t been mentioned publicly by modretro to avoid stepping on their toes.

[zealous heath]

Ahh ok I'm still new next time I'll look for it more specifically I'm sorry I asked

[weary palm]

Perhaps that would be confusing. But I think it would preferable iif the main core the machine comes with has this functionality. I think you agree, but I wouldn't presume it's you who decides. 😊

[zinc dew]

Consistency is absolutely critical. Having the function work for only some cores is bad. So I’m glad it wasn’t forced.

[wanton sun]

it is not so much their toes, than my own if it wont be ready in time and i promissed it.

[wanton sun]

it was related to mister. On a product that mainly targets a single system it would be weird if controllers would not be able to navigate menus

[weary palm]

Understood

[cedar sun]

I've noticed some 64DD games are in the compatibility spreadsheet, that's news to me if the core can run 64DD games at all

Even if it might involve doing some sort of hacks

[worn delta]

Those are the ones that are patched/hacked into a cart format and are part of the HTGDB Everdrive pack. They all have various issues that wouldn't be present if you were playing the raw dumps (the core doesn't support those though).

[cedar sun]

Ah I figured that was the case most likely

Because I feel like there would be significantly more fanfare if they were actually running normally

Then again there's only so many DD games that actually came out as is

[lament escarp]

My favorite DD game is tomb raider if y'all catch my drift. 😎

[cedar sun]

Please don't

[subtle stream]

The only DD games that are worth playing are the F-Zero X Expansion, SimCity 64 (with english translation), Doshin Giant and the Mario Artist series.

[cedar sun]

Funny how that's most of the games released on DD

Like your "only" is most of the library

[subtle stream]

There's also the protoype of Super Mario 64 DD to try, but not much difference with the actual rom game except the title screen

[worn delta]

It is a shame there isn't more space/resources left on N64 core the DE-10 Nano, as the 64DD support on Summercart is open source so could in theory be ported over. Hopefully we get full native support on the next MiSTer board, or maybe someone clever can fork the current N64 core and make a sister 64DD core one day.

[cedar sun]

I really wanna play both Doshin the Giant and Mario Artist though

Doshin the Giant has been on my backlog for nearly well over a decade

[lament escarp]

Got it on gc. Not worth the hype tbh.

[cedar sun]

I've considered playing it on GC but never gotten around to it

Idk I like weird self-contained art toy games

[subtle stream]

If only Earthbound 64 prototype for 64DD was found and released, that would be another thing to play

[cedar sun]

So "not worth the hype" isn't really terms I like to think of stuff in, if I get some fun out of then I've gotten enough value out of it unless it's actually a full on waste of time

[cedar sun]

I should play cubivore on that thought

[tepid shuttle]

was the doshin translation for 64DD ever finished? regardless, i too would love to see native DD support on the core someday. i speak about this often lol

the cartridge conversions don't really cut it these days

[zinc dew]

It’s on the GameCube

[tepid shuttle]

yeah but the english version was only released in europe. i don't play eurojank, sorry

(jk)

i do like the scuffed visuals of the n64 version a bit more though, admittedly

[zinc dew]

That’s understandable, wasn’t sure how different the GC one is.

I still haven’t played it lol

[lament escarp]

I bought the gc version back in the day since it was cheap as dirt.

Still regretted it.

Game starts well enough but those villagers become very unreasonable fast and the bigger you become the more you kill unintentionally.

[cedar sun]

Yeah but the chance of playing the DD version in enticing, you know?

I could probably just finally setup homebrew on my Wii U and use Nintendont for it

[cedar sun]

quoi?

[cedar sun]

Honestly though, I am no begger and I am just excited about what the N64 core can already do, and I'm fine if it never gets 64DD support because I'm already getting free stuff regardless. It's amazing that the MiSTer got 5th gen stuff at all after it's been repeatedly been said that it would never happen.

And not only that, but fairly accurate implementations

Like I am just amazed that we're at the point where we can even ask if 64DD might someday be possible

[slow silo]

So amyway about Playstation 9 support...

[cedar sun]

Only on the Cyclone IX

That's uh how the numbers work, we'll get ps5 support soon

[weary palm]

Thinking of dyeing my 8BitDo controllers with Rit DyeMore... Probably a stupid idea... But I love red!

And I don't like the idea of a layer of spraypaint.

[sullen harbor]

My brain did not read that as what it actually is for a moment and I gagged

[weary palm]

Are you saying those hands are feet? Naughty.

[sullen harbor]

I have been told by many MANY people my brain is cursed

[junior pine]

Wait a minute... what has pad grown between the side holds...?? Where is it entering?? 😮

[weary palm]

Your mind will decide that buddy. 😂

[lament escarp]

I miss game boy pokemon.

[zinc dew]

they're still there, the never went away!

[cyan dome]

youre no longer allowed to play that game

you can only play pokemon zx spectrum on Nintendo Wii U 2

the latest in the series

[cunning cradle]

Yeah! I played through Yellow this year for the first time. It was a bad idea though because then that lead to me getting Violet, Sword, and now Z-A. Gateway drug really.

[lament escarp]

@magic girder always says they're bad when I bring them up. 😭

[magic girder]

They’ve overrated

[lament escarp]

See Robby? Can't play them anymore.

[magic girder]

Remember that most of those games have been remade

[latent dagger]

Yeah and remakes are always superior improved and better experiences

Capcom says so

As well as IGN or whoever else said it

[lament escarp]

That's good company.

No wonder I got into trouble for saying otherwise.

[magic girder]

Hello there lovely peeeeeople

[iron dove]

Hey nintendolife guy 👋

[magic girder]

That’s more than enough waffling, let’s dive right in

[zinc dew]

You are the British man!!!!

British Nintendo!!

[lament escarp]

I think it's Nintendou in Britain.

[sudden torrent]

For me personally, the first two generations of Pokémon games on the Game Boy/Game Boy Color are the best in the series. There will never be Pokémon games again that match their quality. I also enjoyed the remakes of Gold and Silver on the Nintendo DS, especially the idea with the Pokéwalker, which was brilliant.

[slow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/lyokog-m-issingbo-gif-10255301

Right, quality...

[blazing knot]

In a way it’s hard not to admire that Gen 1 was able to be released as a functioning game

It was truly held together with bubblegum and prayers

[slow silo]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-eyes-long-eyes-glitch-gif-27629218

How is that different from any other gen?

Actual bug BTW.... the models loved to freak out in that one when playing multplayer

[blazing knot]

True, but with the gameboy the hardware was truly anemic by the time Gen 1 released so you could forgive it in a sense

[slow silo]

Yeah, just saying that just about all the games for their time were always held together by duck tape and prayers essentially

Even in the latest, there are some N64 looking textures all over teh place

[cyan dome]

AS THERE SHOULD BE

[slow silo]

... I think someone compared a tree in Sword and Shield and it looked just like a tree in OOT XD

The texture on it I mean

[cyan dome]

im sick of "Big Texture" trying to put their massively detailed pngs of rocks on everything, pokemon is the only triple a game that MAKES A STAND and gives us BEAUTIFULLY BLURRY textures

[magic girder]

You guys have a problem with N64 textures?!

Take that crap to #1046940919607345272

[cyan dome]

ocraina of time is widely considered the greatest video game ever made. there is no problem sharing a tree texture with the greatest game is there?!?

[slow silo]

That's the thing though, they aren't consistant. There are places in ZA where a good looking texture is right next to one that is pixel vomit

[cyan dome]

it is how it is

[slow silo]

... at least ZA dosen't constnatly hit single-digit framerates and keep unloading geometry as I am looking at it

like Scarlet and violet did

[cyan dome]

people complain about modern pokemon games being buggy but all the bugs they share on the internet are the funny bugs that add content and joy to the game

[slow silo]

Haven't people been finding what books or asset CDs or whatever a lot of those N64 games sourced their textures from lately? I recall it happening to MArio64 a lot

[cyan dome]

yes

[slow silo]

There have been several softlock bugs IIRC, X/Y had one if you just simply talked to a cab driver

I would like it if ZA's battle system becomes the standard for later games, but I have a feeling it won't

[cyan dome]

i said modern not the video game that came out 12 years ago!!!

[slow silo]

B-b-but 12 years ago is modern!

Good Lord, how has it been 12 years since X

People have pointed out that a lot of the attack animations in the Stadium games on N64 are still more intricate than in modern games...

[cyan dome]

a lot of video games do have different priorities, animation isn't a tech thing its not just gonna get better for no reason

especially when the stadium games are focused on seeing REAL pokemon battles from when there were only 150 rats to collect

a lot of nintendo games havent really increased in scope the same way other triple a games have either

[knotty zealot]

but you can shell out 8000usd for a switch 2

with no games

support nintendo

[zinc dew]

Switch 2 is so good bro

trust

[green epoch]

I think that, perhaps, snake got taken. 8 grand for a switch 2 seems high, even for 2025

[neat sierra]

Mister is $62,000

[unreal sundial]

Hello, is this still available?

[lament escarp]

It's not. Pls don't spread misinformation.

[mortal panther]

It's a typo. He meant to say no good.

[lament escarp]

Thanks for the correction.

[blazing knot]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-good-sonic-no-good-gif-5200822

But you know what is good?

Quest 64

[weary palm]

I need to play Shadowgate LXIV

[weary palm]

Chili dogs

[zinc dew]

Before I was a mod, I terrorized so much with Quest 64 they ended up banning the word lmao

[weary palm]

If we use it sparingly and just when it's in utmost importance to celebrate this magnificent piece of art, maybe we get to keep it this time.

[slow silo]

If Quest64 is so good how come there's no Quest65?

[lament escarp]

Quest 64 is better than ff7 and I convinced everyone who disagreed with me so far.

[knotty zealot]

PLAYA

[zinc dew]

Trust 🙏

[knotty zealot]

fr fr?

[zinc dew]

no Ohio bro

[knotty zealot]

you lost me

[cedar sun]

I should play it

[blazing knot]

3 part Quest 64 Remake when?

[lament escarp]

I'll work on it when I finished my pokemon gen1 remake. The first part is over 50h long and only plays in palette town.

[lean sable]

When's the M64 supposed to go live? Is that tomorrow?

Oh yeah, I see it now

At least the wait-list for early bird pricing

[lament escarp]

All the while I play n64 on mister like a caveman. Can you imagine?

[quaint otter]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but is this functionality supposed to be working?

[weary palm]

What do they mean by that? Will preorders open? Where did You get this?

[weary palm]

Nope. The GB mappers used in Crystal and Gold isn't fully implemented.

[quaint otter]

this is pokemon green, I've tried with stadium 1/2

same result

[weary palm]

Oh. Does Green work in US PokeStadium 1?

[quaint otter]

uhh lemme go grab the US stadium release

this is what I get with green / jp stadium 1

[weary palm]

Jp pokemon stadium 2 is us stadium 1, but you know this.

[quaint otter]

yeah this is unsurprising with the US release

[weary palm]

Green was never released in the US.

[quaint otter]

yeah lol

[weary palm]

But you know this too

[quaint otter]

I was curious though

[weary palm]

Understandable 🙂

Someone hacked some gb games to appear as valid pokemon games in Pokemon Stadium. A few of them worked. 🙂

More of a curiosity than something useful.
https://youtu.be/jcn5XGW1on8

[quaint otter]

that's pretty cool

seems like all of the other functionality is there, short of the emulator

[lean sable]

https://modretro.com/pages/m64
My guess is they send a link but not entirely sure.

[upper pivot]

Should we set up a betting pool on whether analogue 3D will actually ship something in 2025?

[worn delta]

At this point I would be concerned of the quality of the core on there if it does ship soon. Hopefully I am wrong there, but the seemingly unexplained delays on this thing are a massive red flag. Is there an official line on why it keeps getting delayed or just speculation?

[languid dune]

There is no official line about the reason for the delays. That's precisely why people are so irritated by them.

People have speculated that it's because the core isn't ready. That it's because of tarrifs and they're kicking the can down the road hoping things will improve on that front. Nobody knows! It's chaos I tells ya.

[upper pivot]

Kinda doubt it’s the tarrifs

[weary palm]

No reason and nothing to show for.

All they've shown is someone pressing "start" in 1080 Snowboarding. So I'm a bit worried too. Probably some yummy drama behind the scenes.

[lean sable]

Still nothin yet.. ☠️

[weary palm]

I don't know where you heard that? The mailing list early bird thing has been open since september. But you know this, surely. 😊 @lean sable

[lean sable]

Guess I just assumed it would've been something that was orderable at the end of the early bird thing because in the interviews dude said it was in production already and it was going to be available soon. My bad 😅

[upper pivot]

I think they were planning on a December holidays launch date?

[modest helm]

If you’re referring to the M64, then yes it’s planned to ship by Christmas

[upper pivot]

Yeah the M64

[mossy vector]

The FCC has probably already called it a year and hung up a "be back soon" sign.

[mossy vector]

What I'm saying is that a private testing lab can do the measurements, but they won't be able to file the results with the FCC.

[green epoch]

surely they have already done all of that…right? like…surely?

[pliant valve]

When they shutdown the government, they don't shutdown the requirement to use the government.

[deep beacon]

intel catching amd beatings even in the fpga space ouch

[digital remnant]

Was assuming the same, preorder in November and shipping for Christmas

[lament escarp]

So m64 is really releasing before anal64? What a life.