Nintendo 64

[candid panther]

Yeah there's quite a few hacks like that, renders the original obsolete

Like that hack of sonic 3d by the original developer, prob not the best example

[bright lotus]

Really makes you appreciate the way darkness was designed in Doom 3

[hidden mountain]

does anyone have issues with save states in this core? Im playing shadows of the empire but whenever i make a save state, it seems to work, but when i activate it the screen just goes black and locks up

i can get to the mister menu when this happens, but the game freezes

[candid panther]

I didn't realise n64 even had save states!

[mossy vector]

It cannot create save states.

[hidden mountain]

oh, well theres my problem

lol

using the alt+f1 hotkey says it saves one. I guess its a function of mister and not the core

[candid panther]

The core needs enough breathing room for savestates

N64 is packed to the brim

[hidden mountain]

gotcha

[candid panther]

I wouldn't expect save states for anything beyond the ps1 (tech wise, GBA has them)

SNES has a separate unofficial core with savestate support if you haven't seen that yet

[hidden mountain]

is there a list of cores that do and dont support it? or do i just need to go to the github page for each to read

[candid panther]

Yeah I don't think there's a list

From memory, NES, SNES (with the unofficial build), GBA, PS1, GB/C, PS1. I might be missing maybe some handhelds but that may be it

[hidden mountain]

ps1 works, i was using it to play through tombraider last week

[candid panther]

Yeah I use it quite a bit on there

[zinc dew]

or maybe become so amazing at video games that you don’t need save states!

[hidden mountain]

im trying!

[candid panther]

I was hardened by the 80s and 90s titles of my youth

But I don't have the time nowadays to wait until the next save point!

[hidden mountain]

same. but im getting my ass kicked by shadows. the controls are just as janky as i remember

[zinc dew]

At least you’re trying, I’m failing! 😂

[hidden mountain]

so... about these cheats...

i found the mister documentation and see that the rom name and cheat zip name need to be the same. if they arent, it searches for what is closest/matches the ROM CRC32 (not sure what that is). but in theory, if there are cheats in the menu available, they should work, right?

[magic girder]

You’re not failing ❤️

[candid panther]

Doom 64 vr mod just now

[marble cargo]

"This game really makes you feel like Doomguy!"

[scenic vapor]

You spelled Dogyuun wrong 😉

[languid dune]

I bought all of them! And they're really good! Praise me Robby!

[zinc dew]

You are the coolest!!!!

[zinc dew]

What’s up with the gun prancing?

[deft tree]

Not gonna lie, hate this Stockholm syndrome shit. It’s been an ongoing thing with all of the capcom fighting game re-releases where community members try to gaslight people into saying “you have to buy these ports to show you want a new game in the series!” When they’ve been consistently crappy ROM re-releases that are overpriced with horrible QOL…. And then after the fact Capcom came out and outright said “no we weren’t basing new game potential based on the rerelease sales” and so it was all a sham

So no, I probably won’t be spending money on re releases of games I’ve paid for, now with less features

[bright lotus]

it doesn't help that they say that after literally stating RE2 remake and Mega Man 11 were directly influenced by old game collections/rereleases

Night Dive's Quake remasters are great and even if you don't like using kex for some reason you still got plenty of options with source ports

same with Doom + Doom II

[zinc dew]

someone big mad

[deft tree]

Yeah, I’m mad about being told “spend 40 on five ROMs with shitty features, and be happy about it” year after year lol

[zinc dew]

TRUUUUUE

me too lol

[deft tree]

Especially when it’s often been big content creators (like Maximillian Dood) pushing the narrative of “you gotta buy these or Capcom won’t make a new marvel or darkstalkers game” to literal millions of viewers

[zinc dew]

ok to be fair and also to respect your point, the Quake re-releases/ports were specifically made to (make a quick buck) but to also gauge fan interest in a new Quake game after Quake Champions sputtered and died

problem is, will they care enough to green light one even if it sells well? Who knows.

[deft tree]

A haphazard remake does not do shit to gauge interest in a new quake game, point blank

[zinc dew]

They were really good tho. Had some nice quality of life additions plus the Machine Game episodes.

[zinc dew]

Also point blank, with all due respect, you have no idea how upper management at a publishing house gauges interest in games

Like not being rude but you gotta stay in your lane on this one

Is the the right way? The wrong way? Who knows. But these were released to see how much interest fans have in a single player Quake game.

(and also to make a quick buck)

[deft tree]

Yes im aware behind the scenes metrics are being taken, but im saying the likelihood of them having any real correlation to how well a new title does is basically 0

as was clearly stated to be the case with Capcom's

[zinc dew]

This isn’t Capcom tho

I mean like I said earlier, maybe they it’ll sell well and not care

[hushed nova]

I don't know. maybe it's just ok if there's no new quake game or a new darkstalkers or whatever

[zinc dew]

I guess so

[topaz otter]

I'm going to be totally honest with you, its not going to happen

[deft tree]

I totally agree.

I just hate the stockholm syndrome shit of "well if you want any hope of a new game, you better re-buy this crappy version of the game you already paid for or they're gonna hold it against you"

[topaz otter]

quake 1 is a mess, storywise and gameplaywise

its not like quake II which is easy

its just space marines in space

[hushed nova]

SPESHHHHH MAHRINES

[topaz otter]

quake 1 is about twenty different ideas that john romero had at once

[zinc dew]

Yeah, and then got fired for not doing any of it lol

[hushed nova]

but he made you his bitch

[zinc dew]

If you bought Daikatana

But yeah to my point, I can’t tell you the future but I can tell you as someone who was involved in all that. Those games were made to gauge interest.

If you don’t like it, cool. Don’t do it, don’t buy it.

But it happens whether we like it or not.

[hushed nova]

the most realistic thing going on here is that their idea of 'interest' that justifies a new game is wildly out of step with reality

[deft tree]

i had to wayback machine the article because game informer is dead lmao

[zinc dew]

sure but we ain’t ever talking about Capcom lmao

Only Bethesda, that’s all I know

[deft tree]

It's the exact same concept though. "go buy this bad port so your new game will get made"

[zinc dew]

You got a beef with them and I respect it. But Bethesda is what I’m saying.

[deft tree]

and turns out, that was all false

[zinc dew]

Can’t speak for anyone else

[hushed nova]

like how many old people are going to buy a new port of quake

[deft tree]

I have a beef with "buy this bad port of a game you like so your new game gets made"

[hushed nova]

vs how many units you'd have to shift to justify a current gen development effort

[zinc dew]

Ok but the Quake ports were really well received I thought?

[zinc dew]

Yeah I dunno.

I think it’s a combination of devs wanting to do it and the publisher taking a step back and going “let’s see if people actually want this”

[hushed nova]

I think 'well received' is different than 'sold a bunch'

[deft tree]

and "well received" vs "offers any improvements over the version everyone has been playing for 20+ years"

[hushed nova]

so old people who remember quake going 'yeah, this port is good' doesn't matter if the kids are like 'what is this boomer shit?'

[zinc dew]

Man you guys have a real chip on your shoulder

I think the games sold pretty well

I don’t actually know other than they were pleased

Which is about as vague as you can get I know but that’s the truth

[hushed nova]

and then they spend 4 bajillion dollars on a modern game and lose their asses on it

gamedev.txt

[zinc dew]

Yeah they’re not trying to sell to the boomer crowd other than ensure they have their stamp for tastemaker approval

Hence the accessibility additions

[zinc dew]

Have you played either of the Quake ports?

the new ones I mean

[deft tree]

No, I opted not to buy them because they didn't really offer any features I cared about it

[zinc dew]

Like what you’re saying really isn’t matching up to the general praise given to them - https://www.pcgamer.com/quake-2-remaster-release/

You should at least be familiar with something you’re criticizing

[deft tree]

I am familiar, I looked into them when they both came out

[zinc dew]

ok so they’re not for you but they do have a bunch of new additions

Which is fair but you’re being disingenuous

[deft tree]

I don't think I am. i'm a fan of quake ive played a ton of the series over the years, I own a box copy of quake 4 for christsake.

i just dont really bite on the "buy remake so new game get made" mantra, I think its bullshit

and showed a parralel situation where capcom outright said it was bullshit

[zinc dew]

ok you don’t but your comments on it not having no new additions is objectively false

[deft tree]

granted you worked there and have more insight

[zinc dew]

And we were never talking about Capcom

So I have no clue where you’re coming from other than “Capcom lied to me”

[deft tree]

I am coming from the boarder concept of gaming companies saying "buy my haphazard remake so we make the new game in the series" which has happened numerous times in the last many years

and has been bad for the consumer basically every time

[zinc dew]

Ok but this time it isn’t?

[deft tree]

Q2 remake is better than average fine, but it's basically just minimizing some of the tweaking/setup you've been able to do on Q2 for 25 years

[zinc dew]

It’s an outlier then, that’s ok

[deft tree]

not really doing anything notable

[zinc dew]

Ok well screw companies that release a bad port, I’ve been burned too

fuk me I gotta listen to Keanu Reeves more often

[craggy cradle]

wait, we talking about the Q2 remake that steam gave you if you already had it?

[zinc dew]

@deft tree you’re right - have fun

[craggy cradle]

the original that is

[deft tree]

yes, more broadly I was griping about leveraging re-makes as a way to 'gauge interest' for new games

[craggy cradle]

blame capcom for that

Id didn't do that

[deft tree]

from an ex-employee just sayin

[craggy cradle]

lol

that Robby

[green epoch]

robby doesn't speak for id

[craggy cradle]

Id making Doom

[ivory laurel]

Great ports. I’ve bought the collection years ago and got updated for free. Huge user service. Love the extra content from Machine Games, the split screen. The Quake 2 N64 campaign is an excellent addition too

[zinc dew]

You’re breathtaking

[deft tree]

and Robby, I think you know i have no hard feelings towards you, I just have hard feelings towards "buy X so we make Y" when X has often been a shitty product

just giving Jdash context as to why it was being talked about with regard to ID

[zinc dew]

Listen I’m just trying to butter you up so you hold back when I fight you in mortal kombat

[craggy cradle]

he won't, and neither would I

[craggy cradle]

Kajoq and myself played against each other before

[zinc dew]

I’m an idiot anyways

Kajoq just fighting for consumers

Can’t argue with that

yeah it’s shitty people think we gotta buy slop just to get something new

[deft tree]

extra shitty when massive influencers are actively working to convince people of it

[craggy cradle]

Id did 2 remasters for Doom 1 & 2 and they were free upgrades, so that is cool

[topaz otter]

he was actually playing deathmatch all day and not showing up to work

carmack dragged romeros desk out in the middle of the hall

[zinc dew]

Yeah, I shouldn’t have said that comment. I wasn’t being respectful to the issue at hand. Sorry dude.

[topaz otter]

so he could see if he came to work or not

[zinc dew]

it came off as flippant and I didn’t mean to be

[deft tree]

For further context, Even like 2 years after capcom came out an explicitly said "no we're not using these to gauge interest in new games"

When MVC2 re-make came out, Maximillian made a big campaign point out of "you better buy this if you want a new marvel game everyone! Capcom is watching!"

and sure enoug, the MVC collection is halfass as hell and full of slop for $40

[zinc dew]

Yeah that sucks

[deft tree]

and you have folks like JWong hyping up every new collection

and being completely unwilling to say anything is actually wrong with them

[zinc dew]

I fully understand you and I see your point. I was in the wrong even if I was genuinely trying to be honest.

it can come across exactly like you described

[deft tree]

And it's fair, I was probably being a little hot the topic, because I have a very sour taste in my mouth regarding it

[zinc dew]

thanks for pointing that out, I’ll be Bette about that

[zinc dew]

Nah man, you have to be. Sometimes I got a thick head so you helped me out

Thanks dude

This sucks, I’ve lost to @deft tree twice now. First on Metroid Prime and now on Buying Remakes

[deft tree]

FPS wannabe-ass controls

🤮

[craggy cradle]

ok, I might have to see you @deft tree on the Metroid Prime hate

[zinc dew]

lol uh oh

[languid dune]

Nobody better be talk'n poop about my beloved Metroid Prime!

[zinc dew]

all these people are typing

[deft tree]

Metroid Prime's control scheme is such a great example of 'nintendo knows best'

[hushed nova]

justin wong is incapable of saying anything bad about any product put out by any company he may or may not want money from

[languid dune]

So his opinions are wong?

[deft tree]

and that's why i think it's extra shitty/dangerous for folks in his position to shill bad products

[hushed nova]

which is fine, you just gotta know what you're getting into with him

just watch him beat up people online

[deft tree]

(and robby I totally get that Q2 remake is not the same tier of bad product as the capcom remakes, I just dont like the precedent)

[zinc dew]

Yeah mad respect. You’re right.

people really need to be more responsible about what they push

[craggy cradle]

I kinda don't agree with that point in the case of the Id game remasters

[zinc dew]

he’s not saying it specifically about them, his argument is more bigger picture

[craggy cradle]

it's the precedent part

[zinc dew]

like I came across as saying “if you don’t buy this you won’t get what you want”

Which sucks

[craggy cradle]

they upgraded that game for owners of digital (Steam and GOG), Capcom just wants you to buy the same game

[zinc dew]

“Even if it’s bad if you don’t buy this you won’t get what you want”

yeah but that’s a nice side of the same problem, if that makes sense

like I’m happy it’s not bad but fundamentally my approach was the same. I honestly wasn’t trying to come across that way but who cares, it did.

[languid dune]

I want my new Darkstalkers game! But Capcom won't give it to me no matter many times I rebuy the old games in collections...

[zinc dew]

No one should ever feel compelled to repurchase something just to have what they want

Don’t hold that shit hostage

sell it to me

I don’t know if I’m making much sense but I really do get what he was saying.

[craggy cradle]

that's the thing, if they are selling a remaster with that messaging, they were never going to give you what you want

[zinc dew]

To be fair @hushed nova was also saying the same thing

I just ignore him

Because I know he’s right and I don’t ever want to acknowledge that

[languid dune]

It's okay Robby we love you.

Well except for Awbacon. He's your arch nemesis.

[zinc dew]

So my perspective was that I actually do know they were intending to gauge interest. So I felt compelled to communicate the same messaging because I thought I was being truthful.

The point he’s making that I was still coming across as someone trying to sell a product dangling a prize if they do. A prize that may not even be real.

Even in my case, even I know the original intent was to gauge interest. That could’ve changed in a day. So if I’m here saying “buy it or you won’t get what you want” and someone does so with that intent and it doesn’t happen, I did screw them over in a way.

[craggy cradle]

but... I... didn't... buy....

and I have remaster

what money

what interest

I think it was a weird message then

[zinc dew]

I said it to someone else who probably needed to purchase it.

[deft tree]

and, even on the 'gauge interest' note. I've worked with product teams big enough to understand how 'metrics' can say whatever you want them to.

A crafty product person can play those numbers however they need for the chart to look how they want for their next big project

[zinc dew]

Yeah absolutely right.

[deft tree]

I'm just too cynical

[zinc dew]

but it’s true

well I think it is what do I know lol

[deft tree]

ive seen way too many absurd things get rushed through the queue, based on numbers that absolutely crumbled to pieces once looked at with any scrutiny

[magic girder]

Wait there, did Robby cause some controversy? Do I need to scroll up to see my hero fail to meet expectations?

[zinc dew]

I really shouldn’t argue lol

I keep losing

[magic girder]

Be yourself ❤️

[solid cypress]

I didn’t buy the Quake 2 Remaster after they made a ton of alterations to the gameplay (weapon behaviour, enemy AI etc) and didn’t include the vanilla Quake 2 gameplay at least as an option.

[zinc dew]

TLDR I said “buy this or they won’t make a sequel”. Got called out on that being a shitty practice. I got defensive because I thought I was communicating a genuine point. Realized that my point wasn’t important, the act of my comments can be dangerous and sets a bad precedent. I learned a lesson.

Also it’s already a bad precedent done in the industry. Which I wasn’t respecting the severity of that issue.

[craggy cradle]

oh, so you don't have it digitally

[magic girder]

Well all you’re really saying is “this is the game, choose if you wanna play”

The game being capitalism

It’s shitty, but it’s life

[zinc dew]

Yesh but I think I came across as flippant in my original comment.

And what if were on the other side of that

It sucks being told that

[magic girder]

You’re too nice 😂

[hushed nova]

Robby trying to duck this like the AI in q2 was supposed to duck rockets

[zinc dew]

lol I ain’t ducking shit, I got called out and I was wrong. I took that shit head on.

[magic girder]

Sounds gross

[zinc dew]

like yup f me, guess I’ll go scurry away and get armor now

I am jealous of @hushed nova’s uncanny ability to dunk on me at the absolute best times

[hushed nova]

I just bought five copies of quake remasters, when is quake 5 releasing?

[magic girder]

Come and join the RPG channel. You’ll be safe over there

[zinc dew]

LOL

[deft tree]

pour out one for Quakelive

[craggy cradle]

it's still running

wtf

I played a week ago

[deft tree]

its a shell of itself

use to practice rail flicks on browser during art history class in college

[topaz otter]

he tried to defend his corporate masters in court but got humbled by the country lawyer

in Lifetime's Movie of the Week

[bright lotus]

og Q2 is bundled together at least

[topaz otter]

tbh every time they have ever released quake 2 they've changed something

even the original dos version is different than the win95 cd version

[bright lotus]

I thought there was never a dos executable, just a fanmade source port?

[topaz otter]

maybe your right

[bright lotus]

I don't think Xbox 360 port made any changes to gameplay aside from gamepad controls

[topaz otter]

you are right I was thinking about quake 1

quake 1 was dos and win95

quake 2 came out in 97

[topaz otter]

I'll he honest, quake 1 really appealed to me

the dark gothic hallways, weird scifi stuff, lasers

ancient castles

[bright lotus]

the brown everything

[topaz otter]

quake II not so much, its just a generic scifi planet with robot men

but on the subject of how exactly they would end up doing a remake of quake 1, I have no idea, its so many weird ideas that barely fit together

[bright lotus]

Dark Ages was a Quake game uh, yeah

[topaz otter]

Id would have to have a team sit down and determine exactly WHAT quake 1 is and base the remake on that idea, and even then it wouldn't be quake

[topaz otter]

this is another problem, there's a lot of quake 1 in doom eternal, a lot

in fact there's quite a few parts of that game that feel like thats what they were trying to do

[bright lotus]

Quake was the real Doom 3 all along

all shooters are just Doom

[topaz otter]

I mean, if they do a remake of quake are they going to make it an rpg like what romero wanted?

with stats and leveling and a magic hammer?

are they going to make a game out of the story in the manual, in which you're a cop and you come back to the police station after lunch and a portal opens and monsters eat everyone

and you take a shotgun and an axe(?) and go kill chthulu

if you make it too scifi then its just quake II and doom eternal

the problem is, and I think that robby will back me up on this, that quake 1 has no identity

I can describe to you how Quake is, how it plays, but I can't describe to you what Quake is

[bright lotus]

it has identity of id software being burnt inside out trying to finish this goddamn mess of a game after years of labor

[topaz otter]

exactly, its just a collection of gameplay ideas and graphics in a tech demo.

[bright lotus]

doom with cthulu mythos about a man jumping through dimensions

[topaz otter]

been done

they keep remaking doom because doom is easy

[ivory laurel]

The ending of Rage (the original one) with all those mutants controlled by a tetranode like thing, felt like Quake 4 homage or a strogg origin story

[zinc dew]

I hope I win an Oscar!

[topaz otter]

i liked how the game ended just when the game was getting good

and teased an actual sequel that didn't happen

because I beat all of rage 2 and it was not that

[ivory laurel]

Same

[zinc dew]

Quake 2 wasn’t supposed to even be Quake. They gave it the name Quake 2 like months before ship because Activision got cold feet.

at least that’s what I was told

[green epoch]

I also heard that

[solid cypress]

I think that the crazy mishmash of ideas has become the identity of the original Quake, and a remake/reboot couldn’t replicate that

It comes from a time when you could throw a bunch of random ideas into a game and people didn’t care as long as it was fun

[topaz otter]

quake is also a very fast jumping movement shooter

which is what doom eternal is now

in fact doom eternal is probably the perfection of the formula of it

[green epoch]

nah, doom 2016 I think. Doom eternal is certainly similar, but with the added mechanics dance. Like the difference between playing a casio keyboard and a pipe organ

[lament escarp]

Yeah no praise for doom eternal pls. We can hardly contain Robbys ego as is.

[vapid hawk]

i didn't exactly read all that but i just want to say id games are great and the recent remasters have been excellent i especially appreciate the console ports

[zinc dew]

Quake 1 and 2 were awesome ports to the N64

[topaz otter]

he was in those high level marketing meetings conspiring against us gamers remember

[topaz otter]

I don't think theres a single bad port of quake 1 and 2 right

[zinc dew]

Saturn one kinda sucks but I still love it

[lament escarp]

That's what my mum says about me as well.

[zinc dew]

I think you’re awesome!

[green epoch]

Seriously, I cannot stress this enough: play the machine games episodes of Quake 1 and 2. Quake one especially feels like the sequel that game should have gotten

[lament escarp]

Thanks dad! 😭

[topaz otter]

as bas as I hate to say this we need to get back on the topic of mister n64 stuff before Tim the defiler shows up

[zinc dew]

Yeah I’m doing a shit job at keeping us on track, you’re right. Thank you,

Also he left unfortunately. Maybe he’ll return.

[topaz otter]

maybe not

[bright lotus]

Should I mention that source ports of classic Dooms for N64 run poorly and crash during demo playback on MiSTer?

[lament escarp]

Only on mister or on oem hardware as well?

[bright lotus]

Runs fine on actual N64

[lament escarp]

MVG is gonna rub his hands and make another video on why N64 emulation is still a mess in 2025 and mister isn't the solution since some weird homebrew doesn't work.

[mortal panther]

Just be glad we have what we have.
After all, it's "impossible" to emulate...

[magic girder]

I want my money back! I was told that an N64 core would never happen and bought my MiSTer on that basis

[zinc dew]

Do you mind writing up a GitHub issue for that?

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/N64_MiSTer/issues

[bright lotus]

I'll see if I can compile the latest versions of those, I was using older builds, but sure

https://github.com/jnmartin84/64doom this one

-# man, libdragon sounds like ass to install

[topaz otter]

don't forget in every video he says whats up guys in (last year) xbox emulation was looking a little rough, but in (current year) its looking better than ever

[blissful wolf]

Now that chatgpt has been updated to be able to access the current internet, his rambling word salad monologs will be a bit more (current year)

[shut canyon]

Ok so got the English Tanslation of Animal Forest (I never knew there was an AC game on 64), and it played right through the intoduction and train journey, where input name etc etc, then when train arrives at island black screen, freeze/crash with a small red line a few pixels wide in top right corner.

does anyone know if this is a core issue (Turbo) or the rom version i have. (weirdly i didnt try it on the stable core, as i was testing turbo out for the first time, Ill try stable when i can)

[blissful plaza]

Try it on stable core, I remember that Doubutsu no Mori (original name of Animal Forest) have some troubles too on the Turbo core in the past.

[chrome quest]

IIRC the patch has issues on real hardware too

[marble cargo]

https://youtu.be/bXSiCwfdagE?si=8wWk-k7fT6oRPZSI

I'm assuming these hacks also work on the MiSTer too.

[zinc dew]

Most rom hacks do unless they’re marked as not working on real hardware

[worn delta]

Sadly there are reported issues with the Animal Forest patch that are on real hardware, so will also be on MiSTer. If there are any patches or homebrews that work on real hardware but not on MiSTer core then would be great to get those logged in GitHub ideally.

[marble cargo]

I'm just assuming, because even the original hardware compatible hacks are not guaranteed to be compatible with the MiSTer core.

[zinc dew]

MiSTer has the added benefit of being able to use the Turbo core which greatly improves badly optimized rom hacks.

[thorn flax]

tldr the english patch for “animal forest” is on hold until a decompilation project is completed

the patch made the game unstable and he concluded that it wasn’t worth trying to fix via hex editing especially when he wanted english language keyboard support and such

so it’s gonna be, in order, decompile, eng translation, QoL improvements

hopefully that project completing will justify some form of rtc support on the core

-# we’ll be on MiSTer2 by then tho

[iron wren]

Are you conflating the n64 eng patch with the e+ translation project? AFAIK the n64 one was abandoned by the author a long time ago, the e+ translation by cuyler was abandoned more recently in favor of decompiling the english AC and reimplementing functionality from e+ manually.

[wanton sun]

There is a bug in the translation which activates TLB accidentially.
There was some old core version without TLB that can run the translation fine, however, I'm not sure anymore which it was.

(that means this core can run the game even when it would crash on real hardware)

[dusty tusk]

Man having e+ running in the N64 core would be wild

[thorn flax]

with the decomp, it’s possible

it’s not like the gc versions did anything the n64 couldn’t handle

-# e-reader not withstanding

[tender pine]

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is e+?

[stone pilot]

https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Doubutsu_no_Mori_e%2B

[dusty tusk]

Tldr: Animal Forest was released in N64 and GameCube. Western version was made for GameCube. Japan got jealous of all the improvements so e+ was made as the ultimate Japanese + Western content conglomeration.

[iron wren]

E+ was the genesis of PWPs and (by extension) placing furniture in the overworld.

[topaz otter]

wait I downloaded this and played the english translation on the everdrive

or wait, did I play the gamecube version instead?

[iron wren]

E+ is a GameCube game. You’re probably thinking of/played the translation of the original doubutsu no mori

[shut canyon]

Ok so I'm almost 40 mins in on the stable core and so far so good

[tender pine]

Anybody confirm or deny the N64 ASCII controllers were sold this way as it appears bootleg but everyone of them I see on eBay and the like has this oddity.

[neat sierra]

No they included a green rubber band from the factory 😜

[zinc dew]

What is the oddity? Red controller connection housing?

[amber fjord]

red end on clear?

iirc thats the common one

the clears didnt match for ends

ascii only used solid color ends

i dont have a list of colors, i just know it always annoyed me they werent matching

[iron dove]

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nintendo_64_forever/my-ascii-pad-64-collection-t6280.html

[amber fjord]

tldr;

The cord + plug on the ASCII controllers is a very distinctive part of these controllers, and is worth discussing. First, the plugs come in 2 colors: blue and a red/pink. There are no other colors, and every ASCII controller has one of the 2 colors. Second, from all of the pictures that I have seen of the ASCII controllers on website and auction pages, the color of the plugs stay consistent with the controller - that means a Silver ASCII controller will always have a blue plug and never a red/pink.

Here is a list of the controllers and what color plugs they have:
Blue:
- Silver
- Mauve
- Black
- Clear Blue
- Clear Black
- Blue Marble

Red/Pink:
- Gold
- Clear Red
- Clear White
- Red Marble
- White

[candid panther]

Yep. Same here.

Mine is blue

They vary depending on the colour scheme.

Or they may just be random. But yeah it's stock

Just how they are

I might have cocked that up

[zinc dew]

Wait no it stopped counting at 99999

IT DIDN’T I GOT POST 100000

[iron dove]

Sorry @candid panther, the prize goes unclaimed

[candid panther]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-dance-gif-5319769

[iron dove]

I didn't know Robby was counting

[zinc dew]

It was a complete lark, I was checking out the mister cores parent thread and saw N64 was at 999999

[iron dove]

Swept in and stole victory :p

[candid panther]

Would have got the post if I hadn't deleted one!

Oh well at least the asciipad mystery is solved.

Pretty sure ascii used the same production run as the official pads (Matsui), probably just used whatever ends were lying around.

They definitely did for the SNES

[zinc dew]

I can delete my post so you can have it

Whoever wants it

[candid panther]

No I am not worthy

[zinc dew]

Sure you are, we all are

[candid panther]

I don't even own a pi

[zinc dew]

There we go, it’s now yours

[candid panther]

Oh man I feel an Adrien Brody style acceptance speech coming on

[iron dove]

There's a lot of people who contributed to my 'i might have cocked that up'....

[candid panther]

Wow… Wow. I, uh… I… I mean, thank you. This is—this is—this is so… This is such an honor. You know, I never thought I’d be standing here, holding this, for playing an… uh, a microprocessor simulation of a game console. But, here we are. Here we are, in this… very real moment, where something I’ve done has, um, made history. And, I don’t know if I even deserve it, but I’ll take it. I’ll take it.

[At this point, the music swells, but you immediately hold up a hand, motioning for silence.]

“Stop. No, no, no, no. Stop the music. You’re all just gonna have to listen to me. It’s my time, okay? I’m not done. You’re gonna sit here and listen to this, because—because I, uh—wait. Can you even hear me? The mic’s working, right? It feels weird. But, hey, I’m not one to complain. I, uh, I don’t complain. [Pauses awkwardly.]

“First off, I have to thank, uh, my real mentor, of course, my MiSTer FPGA N64 Core. [Gestures with the Oscar toward the sky.] You’ve been the silent partner in all of this. You’ve been the one working behind the scenes, converting those 64-bit dreams into reality. Without you, I would’ve just been some, some guy on a couch—oh wait, no, no. That’s just me. Right. [Nervous laugh.] Anyway, you’ve given me so much.

My god this chatgpt acceptance speech is the size of a small novel 🤣

[zinc dew]

👏

[topaz otter]

big controller doesn't want you to know the truth

but each color represents a different galaxy in the cosmos that the aliens that run ASCII have conquered

the clear controller shell represents their intentions, completely transparent

if you know where to look

[next magnet]

Just hooked my mister up to a crt with component, and loading the n64 core just goes to a black screen. Can't bring up the menu or anything. Is there something silly I'm missing?

[zinc dew]

Got the bios?

[latent dagger]

Are you trying to load the 80mhz turbo core?

[next magnet]

Normal or turbo cores, loads fine on my 4k tv with hdmi. Was trying it out on a trinitron CRT with component, other cores like nes, snes, psx run fine.

[latent dagger]

D you have scan double enabled? Or the 480p hack? (I can't remember which is an option in the OSD for the N64)

[next magnet]

Guessing not, didn't know those existed.

[zinc dew]

Delete your N64 config file (make a backup first if you’d like) and then try again

[next magnet]

That did it, thanks! Assume some setting I had on when playing around on the big tv.

[zinc dew]

Ok glad that fixed it. Enjoy the core, friend!

[candid panther]

One issue I have with the core is if you have direct HDMI turned on in the video settings as default, it does not display an image. You have to turn it off and back on again, or restart the core.

It's a known issue, no fix

Not a big issue really

[wanton sun]

yes, we discussed about a week ago. Due to the console having no standard video signal when no game is inserted

[dusty tusk]

You know what would be a good romhack? Using the four memory paks to save Mario kart ghosts without swapping

[topaz otter]

how many people have four working memory paks lying around

also first post of the day, robbie give me my prize

[candid panther]

Nah it'd work with emulated memcards too surely

[zinc dew]

[mortal panther]

Not according to the poll... 😦

[zinc dew]

[languid dune]

When Sega games started releasing on Nintendo consoles, it felt like the world was coming to an end!

Sonic on the GBA and GCN!? Madness!

[delicate oriole]

I have a odd behaviour with the N64 core since I plugged my MiSTer to my CRT. I use a hdmi to european scart cable that convert the signal to VGA in between. All the cores work perfectly with it but for the N64 core I cannot get the OSD to appear for some reason. If I want to bypass by using a mgl to directly launch a game, the game launch without issue but my controller is irresponsive and the pop-up that says that check the game in the database never disapear.... Any idea what is going on? I do not have any of these issues if I plug my MiSTer to my OLED screen...

[thorn flax]

clean hdmi

turn it off

[thorn flax]

it was weird to see good games on nintendo

[delicate oriole]

Already done. All video options are original

[thorn flax]

glad we kept virtua fighter away from them

[green epoch]

I love sega games, the Dreamcast is one of my favorite consoles….but come on, friends. It’s super fucking Mario. How is this even a question

[thorn flax]

according to digital foundry Sonic has at least 12 more graphics on screen

sorry i don’t make the rules

[green epoch]

Rayman has entered the chat

[thorn flax]

i wish, somehow, we got VF1 on N64, I think it would’ve done excellent flat shaded graphics

[green epoch]

It’s about the only thing it could do

But no, I love virtua fighter on Saturn. There is something about that first game’s style that none of those other first gen polygon fighters could touch

I played so much virtua fighter on 32x

Probably more than what was healthy

[thorn flax]

i was so young and poor i didn’t know 3d happened until dreamcast was hitting the market

3d to me was sonic 3d

[green epoch]

3d blast? I wanted to like that game so much

[zinc dew]

Oh damn, Soul Calibur and Sonic Adventure must’ve melted your eyes lol.

[latent dagger]

That's must've been crazy to not have any idea of early 3D games and to go straight from 2D sprites to 6th Gen graphics

[mortal panther]

For me, nothing had the 'mind blown' factor like Super Mario 64 when I got my N64. Sure, '3D' was available in other forms before then, but it was the first time when it felt like it was finally done right.

[zinc dew]

Yeah same and I was enjoying super early polygonal games on the PC before.

I really liked this one lol https://youtu.be/azu6hVISnNw

[mortal panther]

After the N64 was released, the first versions of GLQuake were just a few months later.
The late '90s was an exciting time for gaming.

Kicking off a long streak of 3Dfx card upgrades over the next few years. 😉

[green epoch]

I will always remember the moment when you emerge from the crashed ship in unreal and you were just in this huge open area

polygon games hadn't really managed to make things feel open, everything felt like a room with no ceiling and a skybox

but that felt open. Unreal was just so cool

[latent dagger]

Oh, you mean like Prince of Persia 3D?

[tender pine]

Genuine question. Has a moment such as Mario 64 happened since? That moment of seeing it, playing it, never quite believing it possible. A true revolution. Almost countless great moments in videogames since but I genuinely can't think of a moment which compares or even comes close.

[turbid warren]

i think Quake had a similar reaction in the PC space but it happened around the same time

[green epoch]

yes, plenty

[tender pine]

I'd like to hear a couple...

[tender pine]

Quake was something but Doom was/is always beating it.

[green epoch]

Mario, Neo Geo AES, Half Life (and Alyx), Crysis, Soul Caliber, and so on

[tender pine]

I think you either misunderstood or trolling...

[green epoch]

those are all revolutionary games. if you strip the hyperbole out of your question, that is what you're asking. things that changed how games were made

[tender pine]

'Mario' and 'Neo Geo AES' aren't even pissing games...

[green epoch]

i dont think you understand how big of a deal horizontal scrolling backgrounds were...

or the fact that you could play Arcade games in your house

[tender pine]

I understand and don't dispute this was a big deal for a minority of people. However. I'm talking Mario 64 FFS. It was the equivalent of breaking the fourth wall.

[turbid warren]

remember when Dark Souls just came out of nowhere (well not really but who had a PS3 and played Demon's Souls aside from Sony freaks like me?) and made a new genre? wild stuff

[green epoch]

Yeah, I don’t think you understand the question you asked. There is no question that Mario 64 was a capital B capital D Big Deal, but thinking it’s the only watershed moment in the history of video games is a take

Or that no other moment is as impactful…

[tender pine]

No. I remember Demons Souls...

[turbid warren]

Demon's Souls is still my favorite. as long as it's not the PS5 game lmao

[zinc dew]

Hell yeah dude that was freaking incredible. Also the mirrored floor and colored lights in the spaceship was wild too!

[green epoch]

that was a game where you were like "i can't believe I'm playing a game that looks like this"

[zinc dew]

lol

[green epoch]

rip to a real one

[mortal panther]

Wait... is that an actual PC game screenshot?
Can't be...

[turbid warren]

it's called Unreal because it is

[green epoch]

when the lights go out in that corridor one by one and the first skarrj comes out of the monster closet

what a game

[mortal panther]

Oh... kinda like DOOM 3. You know, the one with the super-advanced space marines who couldn't figure out how to strap a damn flashlight to their guns.

[jolly turret]

No duct tape on Mars.

[green epoch]

doom 3's lighting is another one that was kind of like "holy shit, this is real"

or when you are landing your ship at the beginning, and the console the dude is using has a MOVIE playing - it wasn't just a static texture

[tender pine]

Why not the PS5 game since that's the absolute way to play it today...

@green epoch what don't you get? All's you are doing is naming games and experiences which were very good if not great. I'm pointing towards a moment in videogames in which the goalposts shifted dramatically the likes can still be felt today.

[green epoch]

again, I dont think you understand how big of a deal horizontal scrolling was

[mortal panther]

I mean, I get it. I feel very similarly.

[tender pine]

What dont I get? It was a very cool technique.

[mortal panther]

Super Mario 64 was a true "holy shit" moment compared to everything that came before. Almost everything else, while impressive, seemed expected.

[green epoch]

paz, dig deep and see if you can name all the games that scroll horizontally

[tender pine]

You don't mind if I don't and not waste mine and everybodys time and patience, do you?

[tender pine]

And everything since...

[green epoch]

https://tenor.com/bnQff.gif

[mortal panther]

Those "I can't believe this is possible, right now" moments have been very few and far between compared to experiencing Super Mario 64 for the first time. It was a paradigm shift in gaming.

[tender pine]

Ah. A gif. Of course. The equivalent of running out of ideas...

[thorn flax]

seeing a psp!

now that was mind blowing

[raw oriole]

And then using it for 20 minutes and developing Advanced Claw Hand syndrome

worth it

[green epoch]

lumines baybeeee

[tender pine]

The PSP paled compared with glasses free 3D via the New 3DS...

[raw oriole]

Lumines you can play without damaging your hands! So good

[mortal panther]

It also paled in its ability to induce severe migraines...

[green epoch]

you want to talk about mindblowing, you fucking changed the firmware in the battery to hack it

who hacks a console with a battery?

[raw oriole]

I credit the 3ds and n3ds for my transition to VR being no effort at all

[green epoch]

psp owners

[tender pine]

Please can we converse without objectifying women...
@zinc dew please?

[mortal panther]

The more I found myself moving that 3D slider to 'OFF' only confirmed my beliefs that 3D in general was going to be a gimmicky novelty.

The hell?
Fuck off with that 'objectifying women' shit... 🙄

[turbid warren]

the PS5 version changes the tone and art too much. the PS3 version has a unique aesthetic

[tender pine]

It's definitely a shift in tone and artistic design but that 60fps and those visuals...🤩

[zinc dew]

Sorry I gotta act, apologies

[mortal panther]

She objectified herself with that photo, and is the primary reason Jessica Chobot became famous in the first place.

She hosted a show on IGN called 'Weekly Wood'. She knew what she was doing...

How the hell was I "objectifying women"?

Wow...

[zinc dew]

You weren’t, she took the photo itself and it skyrocketed her to popularity literally based on that one photo alone.

[mortal panther]

Exactly, which is why I don't understand the issue about an image of someone licking a PSP being problematic and needed to be deleted... but whatever.

[neat sierra]

The real victim here was the PSP

[turbid warren]

god so true

and the Vita

cool af consoles that got strangled in the crib by Sony

[green epoch]

Friendly reminder that if you have PSPs, dig them out of storage. The batteries have probably gotten quite spicy

I had a blue one and a red one that both had very spicy batteries

looks like they sell replacements on amazon. i wonder if they are hackable, though. I don't remember the requirements of the pandora battery or whatever it was called

[latent dagger]

I felt some kind of way when I first played Mirror's Edge

[thorn flax]

i hear that thing had a great life in Japan

kind of a Saturn like success on its home turf

[iron wren]

Portal was like that for me, being able to seamlessly see and move through nonlinear space

[green epoch]

portal is a good callout too

[topaz otter]

Mario 64 isn't even the first 3d platformer, but it is the first one to have good controls

Wolfenstein 3d is pretty comparable in terms of impact

Before that games were side scrolling cartoon games, wolf3d was realistic violence

[tender pine]

Sorry, but no. And I say this as somebody who was actually around at that time. While technically impressive for the time it was and could never be described as revolutionary.

[storm vessel]

I wonder what % of N64 core users were kids vs the % of users that were adults when N64 was new.

[onyx minnow]

I was a highschooler when N64 was out, the videogame/geek kids at my school mostly did PC games. I remember having a LAN party where we all brought our PCs and half were playing baldur's gate as it just came out, and the other half were playing mario cart on n64 on the couch

[spare meadow]

I was 18 at the time N64 was released and yes, Mario 64 was mind blowing. Never saw anything like that before. I remember when I first played, I got dizzy at the first minutes of gameplay

For me, Mario 64 was one of the few games that defined a generation. I started playing videogame with Atari 2600 and was impressed when I saw Alex Kidd in Miracle World for the first time, same thing when Sonic 1 was released. However nothing compared with Mario 64

[shut canyon]

If had every system at the point N64 came out in Japan. I was in my local import store (the good old days) and they had a demo Japanese 64 running Mario 64 and I can honestly say it blew my mind. So much so that I gave the guy a deposit for one on the spot. 2 weeks later I picked it up freshly imported. To this day Mario 64 is the only game I ever totally completed. Still stands up today.

[mortal panther]

I was 25 when the N64 was released.
Got it 3 days early from Toys R Us.

[onyx minnow]

Toys R Us lol, i have many memories of getting games from there before their official release dates

they had a habbit in AU of putting games on the shelves before they were supposed to

[nimble needle]

Gta 3 was amazing at the time. Especially if you went from Gta 1,2 and London.

[bright lotus]

N64 couldn't wow me because my first exposure to the console was a bootleg disc with UltraHLE and a pack of roms in it

I didn't realize Nintendo 64 was even a console

I just had Super Mario 64 with bugged textures on my PC running at 10 fps

What WAS a major groundbreaking moment was realizing the power of emulation

[zinc dew]

lmao that’s funny

Also highlights why Nintendo was freaking out about HLE N64 emulators in the late 90s

[bright lotus]

They might get peeved at Metroid Dread on my Deck

[zinc dew]

Oh they definitely would lol

[candid panther]

N64 wowed me, I remember it vividly

Massive queue at toys r us, console hasn't released yet. Got to my space in the queue, bob omb battlefield, this shit was fucking mind-blowing. It was unreal

Kid next to me said dude there's a button under the controller

Mind even more blown

Got my N64 later on

Aw yea

Dorky 10 years old haircut

Boxes just aren't the same anymore, that smell is gone 😭

[bright lotus]

God damn it

Who wanted to see Mario Goes Skateboarding on actual N64 here?

https://i.imgur.com/9YJDRdc.mp4

It's kinda slow

[bright lotus]

https://i.imgur.com/aGLh5XC.mp4

Even slower

Newest build of Goldeneye X doesn't even load the menu

[zinc dew]

Yeah, even with the Turbo core it’s unplayably slow

[magic girder]

Time to software emulate

Probably

[marble cargo]

Is the ROM hack hardware compatible? It might explain the bad optimization.

[zinc dew]

Well there’s another rom hack called Glass Smash 64 which is very compatible and unique.

[latent dagger]

When you break the glass does the game maintain more than 5fps?

[zinc dew]

Yeah, runs pretty well. I only spent a couple of minutes in the first level, Chinese Village

[latent dagger]

Cool, already makes the N64 better at glass physics than an rtx 5090

[cunning cradle]

So I found an old tremorpak plus and was trying to test it with the snax64. When I start the core it switches the input type to rumblepak but then I can’t use the controller until I change it to SNAC at which point I have no rumbles. Is the tremorpak not compatible? Or is it most likely broken?

[latent dagger]

If you are switching to SNAC after loading the game, the game is probably not loading rumble functionality because that's usually done at startup.

Make sure you are switching to SNAC before loading a game.

[cunning cradle]

Thanks, I will try that

[latent dagger]

Your keyboard or other controller will still function to open the OSD, and once the game is loaded and it has recognized a rumblepak, if it's the kind of game that uses a controllerpak for saves, you can switch afterwards in the OSD to then load a save game and then switch back again

It should in theory work fine as long as the game checked for a rumblepak at boot and enabled it.

Some games give you the option to enable the pak in settings if you were to attach it afterwards but not all

[cunning cradle]

Thanks. That worked. I had to turn off the auto switching and reload the game.

[amber fjord]

i made a mod for ge to elimate usage of TLB to aid porting with recomp framework, on turbo core i can hit 60 in limited spots with ingame fps counter
https://cdn.kholdfuzion.net/GE_NoTLBv2.xdelta it requires leaving ram expac on as i use that memory to hold formerly paged code

debug menu is left on so you can choose "display speed" Cup + Cdown to open

also if someone wants to try it back on the pre tlb cores, be fun to see how far back you can make it work

60 full fps. 1 past

[amber fjord]

i need to undo the fps locks

[zinc dew]

omg that's really cool!

[vapid hawk]

awesome i didn't realize goldeneye modding was so advanced

[modest helm]

Amazing work! Thank you. Are there any drawbacks? For instance there was a Perfect Dark TLB removal patch that made the Carrington Institute mission non-completable.

[bright lotus]

Oh no, is it the hostages getting instantly killed while you're hussling back from activating turrets?

[vapid hawk]

i think its something like a bomb that never goes off

[amber fjord]

Graslu00 and a few other speed ran it

So at least at that level no issues

[modest helm]

Yeah in Perfect Dark, it’s the objective 1 trigger isn’t activated which is the RCP-120 being released from its glass casing. Collecting the gun completes that objective and then activates objective 2 which is defusing the bomb

That was the only issue I ran into. The game was flawless outside of that

Would be great if that issue could be fixed bc that patch on the turbo core runs amazing

[vapid hawk]

yeah that github hasn't been updated for a while last i looked though the dev was still active on something else PD related

[modest helm]

Would be great to be TLB removal patches for most N64 games since that appears to be what’s causing the extremely low frame rates in some of the titles, particularly Perfect Dark, GoldenEye and the Turok games

[candid panther]

Just giving this Goldeneye hack a go.

30fps mostly in Dam, occasionally up to 60fps. Good result

Can't work out how to get rid of the debug menu though 🤣

[vapid hawk]

is it double buffered vsync? or do you get values between 30 and 60

[bright lotus]

Can I try it on my N64?

[sudden pumice]

Uhhh anyone play Bowser’s Castle in Mario Kart 64?

[oblique remnant]

TLB, I found his weakness , no TLB he'll do what I please

[waxen oyster]

I'd heard it had speed issues in 3/4 player but it was working fine on the N64 core for me within the last month or two.

[candid panther]

Mario Kart 64 is funky in multiplayer anyway. The jungle park course runs in fast forward on an actual n64

Noticed it even back in the 50hz dark days

It speeds up the more players you add or something ridiculous like that

[zinc dew]

What’s the issue and did you verify against real hardware?

[vapid hawk]

i thought one of the built in rompatches was for mariokart

because it runs too fast on some stages on the core iirc

[wanton sun]

the patch is only active on the turbo core and makes it run stable 30fps in multiplayer modes

[vapid hawk]

ah right good point

[amber fjord]

a to toggle option, start to toggle and close

note toggle and close, so if you hit a to choose, then start to close, you unchecked option

input also works "below" the menu

so game is still doing things based on

[candid panther]

Great, thanks. I had a skim through TCRF and it has a good explanation of each option too

[candid panther]

Tempting

I've already got the 8bitdo kit

Wonder if it's cheaper elsewhere

[vapid hawk]

i got one of those its nice

the only problem with it is you have to use the included stick for some reason

they made it 4 pin

even though they themselves make a 6 pin replacement stick, its bizarre

[candid panther]

Ah that is a bit odd, but I guess it doesn't matter if it's all one kit and the stick is solid enough to last

[vapid hawk]

its a hall effect stick so it should be pretty durable, and it did come pre-lubricated

you can fit a steel bowl with a little trimming

[candid panther]

How's the MiSTer compatibility?

[vapid hawk]

just works no hassle, thats the main reason i like it, rumble and all

[candid panther]

Sweet

The 8bitdo kit works great for me in switch mode, although it needs resyncing each time which is just a button press

[vapid hawk]

do you actually have to go back through re-pairing?

[candid panther]

On the MiSTer, yeah. I just press the pair button on the mobile app or hold down the middle user button on the MiSTer itself. Depends how lazy I'm being

But it does drop out each time it's turned off

[vapid hawk]

ah right, yeah nothing like that with the ino

[candid panther]

It doesn't in d-input mode, but then there's no rumble

And there's no xinput

[vapid hawk]

oh shit sorry wait

one very important thing, i had to calibrate the stick on an actual switch

before that it was fucked, idk if thats something they correct before shipping now or if a pc can do it somehow

but you might basically need a switch for initial setup

it wasn't just a bit off either it was entirely unusable, wrong neutral position etc

[candid panther]

Ah that might be an issue unless it can be done with a switch lite

[vapid hawk]

apparently switch lites can still sync controllers, presumably for 2p stuff

[latent dagger]

that's interesting. I've never seen a competitor making the same thing as the 8BitDo mod kit.
I wonder if it's better in regards to it's firmware and compatibility

looks to be cheaper cuz I think the 8bitdo kit is a bit more than $28

yeah, it's $40

[weary palm]

Hey, I compiled the latest version of FazanaJ's performance hack of Diddy Kong Racing and put on my site. You need to provide your own legally obtained, grass fed and kosher ROM. 1.0 only! https://krullo.se/n64/dkr/

It's smooooth, but very prone of crashing. Fun to play around with, anyway.

Lol... don't waste your time. You don't get any balloons from the races. I'll see if I can fix that at another time.

[lament escarp]

I just checked, according to amazon it's 38$ with shipping and tariff to europe. Cheaper than the anal 3d controller. I'll have to look at some reviews but maybe I'll get that and cancel my anal 3d controller order.

[weary palm]

I uploaded a full debug build instead. Everything unlocked from start.

[winged garden]

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=8078&sid=85c381e689033896bdbe8eac4ce9f0ff

[vapid hawk]

baked in now

[zenith orchid]

nice

[latent dagger]

I wonder if ruleset has released an updated PWM build

[winged garden]

it's not clear how many patchs are included in the core, many of them for sure but all? I don't know

[magic girder]

All the compatibility ones are built into the database/main (not the core itself, but same effect)

Open the database file in the games/N64 directory if you’re curious - last time I checked they were at the bottom of the file

[winged garden]

thanks

[latent dagger]

@wanton sun been talking to some people in another discord and have someone saying that the N64 core is hybrid using software emulation and FPGA and was hoping you could clarify if this is true and if so what parts of the system are not being emulated with the FPGA

[neat sierra]

You could argue the CD controller/access in PSX is emulated in the HPS but N64 is all FPGA no? What did they think was software emu?

[latent dagger]

they were speaking about it regarding having read something in an article but they don't remember where so I figured I'd ask here for clarificaiton on it

I was under the impression it was all FPGA as well

minus the RAM stuff

[neat sierra]

Shrug, these sound like troublemakers, better watch out they don’t try to get you to jump into the water at the bottom of the gravel pit, it’s not safe you don’t have to impress them

[green epoch]

but you would be the coolest kid

[zinc dew]

These are all emulators, whether it’s hardware or software. This core just so happens to be the best N64 emulator out there.

[bright lotus]

technically

it's emulation, but different

[zinc dew]

It’s not emulate is preservatives

[bright lotus]

it has roots in both software emulation and investigating the hardware

[topaz otter]

MINE

Mister is not an emulator

[zinc dew]

What do you think MiSTer stands for?

MiSTer is Super Totally emulating roms

[tender pine]

Good emulation >>> crappy emulation.

[topaz otter]

Don't tell nintendo

[tender pine]

This considered 'rare'?

[bright lotus]

what are you doing with dialing a stick?

change orientation?

ooh, joystick sensitivity ||but also, aren't you rotating the gate??||

[latent dagger]

The gate is symmetrical isn't it?

I think the rotation is increasing the height of the gate over the stick making it so you cannot push the stick as far

[weary palm]

I wonder what they mean by that? The only part that is software is like reading USB controllers and stuff... I'm comb-fused.

[worn delta]

How would hybrid emulation even be possible on the DE-10 Nano? Like, running parts as software emulator on the small arm chip? In short, no, none of the cores on MiSTer are hybrid emulators, they are all done on the FPGA.

[weary palm]

Or are they talking about how Robert hasn't implemented the core at chip-level like how many other cores has been achieved? Is it a purist thing? It's still not software, though.

The way I added cheats is a bit hybrid... Literally overwriting N64 RDRAM from the Linux side... It works half-decently, but it is quite the hack.

[worn delta]

Yeah, thinks like cheats are passed off to the Linux side but the system itself is recreated on the FPGA

[weary palm]

Exacly like how the ROMs are loaded in the first place.

[neon heron]

A lot of the hard drive stuff is done in software, isn’t that hybrid emulation? 😉

[weary palm]

I think I know what they are referring to now. Robert models his cores in software first. Makes a low-level software emulator that is "easily" translated to HDL. It must be that. I've heard this argument before...

They're wrong if they want to call that "hybrid" or something. It's a workflow quite suited for FPGA. It speeds the development up considerably and I'm not sure a core of this size would even be possible without some modeling first. It allows you to make several changes at once and quickly see the results. It takes 20-something minutes to build this FPGA core but only tens of seconds to build a software emulator.

[zinc dew]

Those arguments are never done in good faith anyways. They’re preloaded with a purposefully negative assumption.

[latent dagger]

What are the current remaining issues with any games on N64 right now?

[mossy vector]

It's Saturday, manager. But we'll touch base and circle back during some other meeting and have a face-to-face to review the deliverables with a detailed step-by-step timeline in line with your overall schedule.

[weary palm]

Earthworm Jim 3D is still shit, but I'm pretty sure that's unfixable. 🤭

It has good music, though.

[iron dove]

Money 🙂
#1096015979055697940 message

[marble cargo]

The final boss of Earthworm Jim 3D is an opposite gendered version of Jim who wants to take over his mind, and you have to kill her to prevent that.

What did they mean by this.

[bright lotus]

you don't wanna know

you really don't wanna

[marble cargo]

It's the only thing I remember about the game, because the rest of the game is painfully mediocre.

[zinc dew]

I just remember you go around crate town shooting at chickens

[weary perch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HiL-vHgpL5Wj0iv88EGtMYcmcf9sml35W3sQgRPz2wU/edit?usp=sharing

[iron dove]

too much tilt and ya lose the $

hudson's through with playing around

[inland kindle]

Search didnt turn up anything… has anyone been able to get GoldenEye X v6a to run on the current stable core? I tried auto detection, setting the cart/save parameters manually in core system strings, and adding the md5 and info to the database. It always boots to a black screen. A prior version of the mod is in the database but this is the first version I’ve tried to run on Mister

[upper pivot]

Looks like analogue 3D is likely being delayed lol

[limber stirrup]

If I may revive some of the earlier Mario Kart 64 discussion: with the Turbo core + automatically-applied patch, does MK64 truly run at a stable 30FPS during 3-4 player multiplayer?

I'm asking because I want to know if I might have something configured wrong. I tested the Turbo core the other day with 4 players on Kalamari Desert and found that even on the Turbo core it dropped to 15~ FPS somewhat regularly.

Has anyone else found this? Or am I crazy?

[green epoch]

have they announced something?

[upper pivot]

No— but the 8bitdo controllers on Amazon now say ships June

And they were like mid March before

And they also have been completely radio silent

I’m worried that “100% compatibility” has proved harder than they had anticipated

[green epoch]

Yeah, it's likely that it's delayed, but they still have 2 weeks to hit their date

And yeah, 100% compatibility is a bold claim, but the FPGA in that thing is bigger, so they won't have to be as clever as Robert was to make it fit.

With that said, I don't think any of their systems are 100% compatible

[lament escarp]

I mostly just wanna try their controller for it on mister and see if they update the n64 modkit.

[iron dove]

This one loads OK for me: http://n64vault.com/pd-multi-levels:goldeneye-x

It still has the 'NX7E' game ID in the ROM, the info display popup showed the ID
Should be using this line: "ID:NX7___ eeprom2k|rpak|cpak|tpak # GoldenEye - X"

[wanton sun]

All parts that replicate the original are done in HDL in a normal chip approach, there is no software emulation involved.
The argument always comes up because I write a software emulator before and then "port" it over.
Of course this is nonsense, like somebody saying a bridge is hybrid because it was drawn and simulated in software before building it.

However there are some parts that are not like the original:

• PIF chip(eeprom and controller handling) is written in HLE instead of replicating the original 4 bit processor + software. As it is fully compatible with SNAC, it's very close to the original and no issue is known, so the 3-6 months extra effort and requiring a very rare original binary(PIF firmware) doesn't sound very useful
• DDR3 is not replicating the original RDRAM timing accurate and using a different memory controller with different access patterns. It's the only way to do the core at all on Mister...
• Some parts are done in software, e.g. Joystick ranges for non-original controllers, Database, Cheats. None of these are part of the original console anyway.
• none of the chips (cpu, rcp, pif, ...) uses the original pins. Main reason here is to cut of useless protocols that are only required with multiple chips while we are in a single chip. Saves ressources and makes the design easier

[iron dove]

the bridge example made me chuckle, well said

[lament escarp]

A bridge is a hybrid of an idea and stone.

[iron dove]

dont let marketing get wind of this concept or they'll try to call every ICE car a hybrid

[lament escarp]

No, those guys have no IDEA 🙃

[weary perch]

the Ruleset patch adjusts the speed modifications the game does for the tracks that are most taxing on performance in 3/4p modes, it doesn't make it run at locked 30

[iron wren]

I’m so tired of those hybrid software/hardware bridges thinking they can hold a light to pure hardware bridges

[green epoch]

bridges these days… no respect for the chorus

[lament escarp]

Check for the "no emulation" mark under your favorite bridge. Only way to make sure it's genuine hardware.

[weary palm]

I hate that They're so bad at showing progress. I remember the Pocket. All they did was to upload small gifs of gameplay to Twitter. It was almost worse than nothing.

[weary palm]

It's closed source, so they can cheat with patches all they want... but it would be easy for us to expose.

[green epoch]

And none of their systems are 100% compatible so, even with cheating, I would be surprised if they could pull it off

[candid panther]

Yep, I got a launch pocket and I felt like an eternity waiting...but to be fair, it was only a year.

It's still going strong, in perfect condition and I play SNES on it all the time, transferring the saves over via usb to my MiSTer

Probably won't get another analogue console though, why get one when the MiSTer N64 core is so good

[zinc dew]

Imagine waiting for Analogue 3D when you could’ve been enjoying the N64 core for over a year now.

[candid panther]

With turbo

And cheats

And native controller support

Only missing out on 4k and carts really

And the analogue street cred

If there is any

I regret selling my transparent super NT, but only really because it looked so sweet

However I enjoyed the money I got from selling it

[lament escarp]

Oh what is this magical device that has a fully functioning N64 core? 🤔

[lament escarp]

I'm not missing out on 4k. Direct video and a 4k scaler are your friends.

[candid panther]

Bit pricey to get one of those myself at the moment, but my TV is pretty good at scaling 1080p with barely any lag so I'm happy for now

1440p looks awesome but adds too much lag unfortunately

[zinc dew]

The N64 mini!

[craggy cradle]

do you mean 1920x1440 or 2560x1440 pr mode?

[zinc dew]

Is the Analogue 3D native 4K output or do they also mean 4K upscaling?

[candid panther]

Latter, my TV doesnt support the other

[craggy cradle]

and you get lag on it, weird

[candid panther]

Yeah tested with a laggy lag tester

It's a dealbreaker

[zinc dew]

I’ve got a morph4k (full disclosure given to me as a gift by the team), and it does an amazing job, but I’d be 100% happy with no upscaling too.

[candid panther]

4k Samsung qled 2021 set. It's got unbelievably low lag in 1080p and 4k modes

[zinc dew]

Oh I haven’t done that. Maybe I should.

[candid panther]

It's worth doing

[craggy cradle]

ah, I use oled monitors, so I haven't run into that

also, they are 1440p monitors

[candid panther]

It has really low lag on my LG 1440p monitor

Lol that'd be why

I am looking to upgrade to a 65" oled this year but it needs to be a new model with low lag that handles MiSTer well. If it can deal with N64 and stuff in 1440p with low lag I'm happy

Going to have to take my MiSTer and laggy lag into richer sounds and ask to test some sets

[lament escarp]

But remember that an rt4k can scale pretty much anything you throw at it, anal 3d only does n64 at 4k.

[craggy cradle]

i'm a monitor gamer, can't do TV and couches

[knotty zealot]

i hate couches

[candid panther]

I would get the rt4k if I had the cash, but it's that or a new oled

[knotty zealot]

i can't do beds. i hate them.

[craggy cradle]

I'm lucky my rt5x does 1440p

[candid panther]

I'm going for the oled this year, my 55" just isn't enough now it's wall mounted

[knotty zealot]

i don't sleep, i walk.

[zinc dew]

Just do the morph if you’re doing it for the MiSTer, costs waaaaay less.

[lament escarp]

Pls don't get more than a 77", else I'll feel inferior.

[knotty zealot]

if i had a penny for every time robby goes morph4k full disclosure, i'd be living the good life in hawaii

you can only disclose it once. once you've disclosed it.. that's it.

[lament escarp]

Rt4k full disclosure: I bought mine with my own money, which I wrestled from the hands of my pos, butthole employer by doing demeaning work and being treated like dirt.

@zinc dew am I doing it right?

[green epoch]

I like Mortal Kombat but, full disclosure, I once shook Kano’s hand

[lament escarp]

Anyone can do that. There is a reason he is named kano and not kan'to.

[zinc dew]

Yes lol. Look I hate posting that but I have to so people know my biases whether conscious or unconscious and they can choose to listen or ignore my comments.

Like I pay for all my stuff from MisterAddons but I’m his friend so I’m going to naturally be more biased towards him. Need to point that out.

I hate being a mod lol

[lament escarp]

Should I disclose my friendship with you every time I recommend Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal to someone as well?

[zinc dew]

no please don’t lol

[green epoch]

you would recommend doom eternal?

huh.

[lament escarp]

No since Robby is embarrassed when I tell people I know him.

[knotty zealot]

i played tiny tina on steam (full disclosure, a dev entered my game and peppered me with orange legendary loot)

[green epoch]

i kid because I love

[knotty zealot]

robby (full disclosure 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣)

[lament escarp]

Full disclosure: I have no idea what I'm talking about and make shit up as I go.

[green epoch]

we need an artist to put robby’s face over demi’s

[lament escarp]

Sounds like something crappy AI was invented for.

[green epoch]

Shh, don’t say that too loud. Dinietro will hear

[zinc dew]

FML

[zinc dew]

sorry again : (

[candid panther]

Ohh the morph 4k isn't bad is it

Reasonable price

And I just found out I'm owed £500 backdated electricity costs

£230 for the morph 4k. Hmmmm

[amber fjord]

Take your mister with you to a few stores to demo on them. Dont go crazy with accessories tho lol.

[green epoch]

it’s a nice piece kit

[amber fjord]

Most sales people would be cool with it

[candid panther]

Ha nah, just the MiSTer, a power bank, controller and a laggy lag tester

Yeah richer sounds were cool with my ossc

And that was way more crap to plug in

They loved it

[amber fjord]

When I sold tvs. I loved new toys to hook people’s attention with

I’d let anyone who wasn’t a **** do whatever in reason

[candid panther]

Yeah I worked in a Sony centre for a bit back in 2004 or so. We had loads of fun demoing the Vaios, TVs and the super audio cd players

We had one flat screen which was about £10k, and we delivered CRTs

Seems an age ago now

[amber fjord]

During the DTV transition was a good time to be selling tvs

I miss it now

(At a RadioShack in the sticks)

We were the electronic store, Walmart twice as far away was only competitor

[candid panther]

Had it good back then, I worked in a large warehouse store after, like Costco. Went upstairs and found a stockroom stuffed with brand new N64, GameCube, GBA games and hardware. All reduced to a few quid each on the system and basically forgotten.

I should have bought the lot

[knotty zealot]

lol bruh

[candid panther]

I did get a game boy micro and a Goldeneye edition N64 for £10 or so

Dreamland

[amber fjord]

Nice

[candid panther]

Would be nicer if I still had any of it 🤣

[amber fjord]

I’m glad my mom was a pack rat for boxes

I’m only missing 1

[zinc dew]

Speaking as a guy with a giant physical games collection, I think I’m over it thanks to MiSTer

[candid panther]

I still have my action replay pro for the N64 somewhere from back in the day, won it from N64 Magazine

Used to have loads of fun with the ram editor when playing games and editing text, like Buttdude Swamp in Banjo Kazooie

And it made Goldeneye a million times better

[amber fjord]

I just moved 3rd time in 4 years. First one 12hr drive. I feel ya. If it’s misterable I haven’t unpacked (except my n64s for devving on)

[lament escarp]

That's how I feel, but about people rather than a giant physical games collection.

[candid panther]

Mister got me to sell everything

And COVID, financial bad times

All good now though

[amber fjord]

It’s funny in my “forever house” finally and don’t feel like unpacking my games

Instead making a home theater in room that was gonna be game room and just game in office or on projector

My oldest likes n64 and psone, they were also her first systems due to the sesame street and nickelodeon games for kids I picked up when she was born (JUSTbefore covid spiking prices)

[topaz otter]

same here, just spent a whole day walking through what seemed like every used game store in phoenix, bought nothing

[candid panther]

I was tempted to buy some SFC carts earlier when out but decided against it

I don't even have a SFC anymore but I like the boxes!

You find stuff like that in odd shops here now and again

[topaz otter]

I got the whole megaman famicom collection and just play them through a converter on my nes

[zinc dew]

Things might be different elsewhere but thanks to Covid and retro arbitrage, prices shit up and collectors doubled down. So what’s left in stores is very pricey and not even all that rare.

Plus I pretty much picked up what I want already so the rando game pickup I used to do just isn’t fun when prices are triple what they used to be,

I mean I collect because I love these games but also to play them. Thanks to MiSTer I can play them super easily so I’m more than taken care of. ❤️

[lament escarp]

Why do y'all need mister when nso exists?

[knotty zealot]

thank you, mister

https://tenor.com/view/grapes-fruits-gif-26140905

[latent dagger]

You don't need a couch for TV gaming. I have a cushy butterfly chair and exercise ball to put my feet up on

[craggy cradle]

that's too much

[magic girder]

MiSTer is a scam

[marble cargo]

MiSTer can't even run PS5 games smh

[lament escarp]

There are ps5 games?

[solar slate]

yeah I was there... met Yuji Naka when he demonstrated Sonic Adventures 2 for Gamecube in Cannes

did somebody tested the japanese version of Ganbare Goemon 64? This game runs in 480i and seems to have problems when switching off the VI filter.

[zinc dew]

The Important Info pin was updated with a link to the latest PWM build for this core.

[magic girder]

Mine cost me as much as a PS5

In the old days before the attack of the clones

[latent dagger]

Lol same

[zinc dew]

I don't want to think about how much I spent on my MiSTer but it was all worth it. Half because I love the little guy and other half because it introduced me to the greatest retro community that's out there.

[magic girder]

Every penny was well spent

At least I don’t have >1000 PS1 games and >200 N64 games sitting collecting dust

[green epoch]

the dust adds value

vintage

[weary palm]

I bought mine in the even older days. 2019, I think. The DE10 nano was like $130. Not that bad.

[magic girder]

It’s not necessarily the DE10 that costs the money - it’s everything else on top of it, if you go for a fancy case etc

Not strictly necessary, but who can resist?

[weary palm]

I just used a 32MB SRAM module + an OTG USB adapter + a small hub for the longest time. It was like $30-$40 ?

The Logitech USB controller I bought was more expensive than that stuff. This was the one I went with, btw. 💀 (Sorry, not funny, but I'm not lying)

[zinc dew]

Was wearing my N64 shirt i got at the Nintendo Museum and got mad compliments today.

[nimble needle]

This should be pinned. It’s actually very interesting for a layperson like myself. When I followed the core development I thought all the proverbial shortcuts were a compromise in accuracy to fit in Mister, but the part about not having deal with chips in separation like a real physical board is something I never would have considered. Thanks for that write up 👍

[zinc dew]

Good call out, I’ll add it to the important Info pin

The Important Info pin was updated with a link to the latest PWM build for this core and a link to Robert’s explanation of which parts are replicated in hardware.

[mortal panther]

"...and a link to Robert's mic drop on the rabble-rousers."

[wanton sun]

it seems the game does store the framebuffer different than the other 480i games, with every other line having 240 lines offset(odd and even lines seperated).
Unfortunatly I don't think our scaler can work with that format, so I can't think of an easy fix for clean HDMI mode for this game, sorry

[weary palm]

I wonder how many of You who use "Clean HDMI".

I sure don't.

[cunning fern]

Maybe the new bob deinterlacing from Zakk can help in that case?

[latent dagger]

that is hard to look at. I am so glad I have my discord set up to not auto play these things and requires me to hover over them

[solar slate]

The US and PAL version of the game do not do that. They use 240p. I discovered this a few years ago when I did the VI GS Codes. Besides, if the VI settings stays on, the game works, just the picture is a bit smaller than usual. So we do not loose anything 🙂

[solar slate]

maybe true, but that is not how testing/QA works 🙂 Also while Clean HDMI is not good for every game, I think there are cases where it can help.

[solar slate]

The AES, as cool as it is, was never a milestone like N64/Mario 64.

In order really understand what happened back then with Mario 64 you had to be there. NeoGeo and AES was also back then more niche. Many countries did not even have a arcade culture at all till this day. Germany for example does not has Arcades because there is a tax called "Vergnügungssteuer" means "enjoyment tax" which is so high that a traditional Arcade Place would just not work out financially. There are just this ugly jackpot machines. < Ugly scam shit! In any case, Mario 64 was a real milestone for many reasons and since then nothing came even close making such an impact on the overall gaming world. Everything after N64 was always just improving and building upon.

[candid panther]

Yeah man nothing before or since matched mario 64

[solar slate]

The improving and building upon is what became quite fast after the N64. Nintendo came after that with gamecube.

[candid panther]

Only time I ever encountered a queue outside of the door to the toys r us demo kiosk

It was halfway into the store - a big one

Was the day they set it up, before launch I remember having to wait ages

Back then it was the first time you'd seen anything like that for most people. We didn't have online videos, you'd be lucky to catch a preview on TV on certain shows, or an advert

[solar slate]

yeah and I remember people trying to compare what they had on PSX back then 🤣

[candid panther]

Yeah it was a major jump up

The freedom of running around and exploring was what blew my mind when I first played it

[solar slate]

but the PSX proofs my point. until mario 64 there were nothing like this on PSX, after Mario they made the PSX doing similar stuff

[candid panther]

Yeah it was all clunky, serviceable 3d

Nintendo fixed movement (analog stick) and worked out how to solve camera (automatic, c buttons to adjust)

Took a long time to refine camera

Also the z buffer and technical shit like that helped for a consistent 3D environment, loads of other stuff I'm sure made a difference hardware wise

[solar slate]

The next console after N64 that made at least some kind of impact was the dreamcast

unfortunately Sega totally fucked up the marketing

and PS2 came very close next

and as groundbreaking Mario/n64 was at launch, also Nintendo fucked up the marketing. At one point they just fully focused on Pokemon

[lament escarp]

Pokemania was the crowning finale of our civilization. It's all downhill from there.

[solar slate]

unfortunately not quite wrong. Today I have to prevent that son #1 wants to play Fortnite at the age of 6

[lament escarp]

My nephews are all over minecraft. I wonder if I seemed that dumb to grownups when I was a kid.

If we gonna have world war 3, I just wish it would've been about pokemon vs digimon, as nature intended.

[weary palm]

I don't understand. What is "maybe true"?

I was curious how much the function is used. 🙂

[solar slate]

I played Minecraft when it was beta. Paid 5 USD I think. Today my son wants to lecture me about that game 🤣

[lament escarp]

Building stuff, even in a game, is great. But I'd rather have it more goal orientated.

[solar slate]

I just meant that just because a function is not used that often, it still needs attention if it is there to use, when it comes to testing. 🙂

[solar slate]

yeah I know what you mean. When I played Minecraft and was digging, I kind of always hoped to find a uber rare item or so like in PSO the red rares.

[weary palm]

I don't understand why you would think I was implying that

[candid panther]

My daughter's fully into Minecraft, but all she does is keep adding an extra storey to this house she's building. It's taller than the Burj khalifa and there's no end in sight

And a single ladder to climb up. I keep telling her that'll fall foul of UK building regs but she won't listen

[weary palm]

I've added some functions to MiSTer main myself.

[solar slate]

probably just a communication error, we have no problem 🙂

[wanton sun]

for the question: i use it for any 480i game

[weary palm]

I have no interest in telling others how they should enjoy their games. 🙂 I'm just curious.

[latent dagger]

The original tomb raider started development in 1994 and lasted 18 months to then be sold to centergolde who the got sold to eidos in May 1996 who then published the title in October 1996.

SM64 started development in 1993 and was finally published in September of 1996.

I guarantee you if the PS1 had launched with analog controls, core design would have maybe tried something with Tomb Raider that allow for it.

But because the system launched with a digital gamepad (roughly a whole year before the N64 released mind you) developers had to work with what they were given.

[solar slate]

yeah

[weary palm]

This is a good use case. 🙂

Tomb Raider is a weird game...

[solar slate]

a lot of factors back then played to the outcome we know

[solar slate]

back then we would have called that "High Res" Game 🤣

[latent dagger]

Not that weird. Sexy female Indiana Jones character runs around ancient structures and tombs collecting goodies while doing cool acrobatics.

Makes total sense for the 90s

[weary palm]

Like. What the hell is this?

[latent dagger]

Is that even real? I don't remember that. You sure that's not a mod?

Lots of tomb raider level editor stuff out there

[weary palm]

Sorry... no. that's from Tomb Raider 3. My fault.

[latent dagger]

Oh, I still don't remember that lol. I guess it's been a long enough time since I played 3 if it's actually in there

3 was done by a different dev team under core though so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some weird ass shit in that game that I don't remember

[weary palm]

Oh, they're all weird. xD

[latent dagger]

Nah, the Atlantis thing was legit. Made total sense.
The Italian mob stuff felt a little out of place but I wouldn't call it weird

[weary palm]

Perhaps not weird. Incoherent is a better word.

[latent dagger]

At the end of the day, all that mattered was platforming, guns, puzzles, and sexy big boob girl with tight shirt and shorts

[weary palm]

Boys on skateboards and trexes

[latent dagger]

THPS series is legit.
Except for ride. That game was trash.

[weary palm]

And a giant fleshy kiwi with ribs.

No, I'm talking about the skater boss in Tomb Raider 😉

[latent dagger]

I don't know man, seems pretty simple to me.
Natla (the atlantian) has lived for a very long time after betraying her fellow atlantians, and wants to take over the world and bring Atlantis back to it's former glory, but to do this she needs the pieces of the scion, and to help her get ahold of these pieces she finds a way to get the best tomb raider in the world Lara Croft (that's you) to go after these pieces (unknowing of the reason why at first of course).

During your journey you uncover the actual plot, and then make the decision to do what you got to do to stop her, which then leads you to an epic boss fight at the end of the game defeating Natla and destroying the scion.

But yes, skateboard guy was weird

[weary palm]

Thank you! xD

[latent dagger]

I think he was supposed to be an Easter egg type joke reference though

Nope, he's just a skateboarding mercenary with uzis.

Probably chosen to be comedic relief and kind of goofy on purpose, and also maybe is commentary on the whole genre and trope of random assassins of mercenaries having weird quirks to them in movies and books.

[jolly turret]

It's probably Bob from marketing before he had coffee.

[solar slate]

Okay, Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon US NTSC version, right after the Save Game screen when starting a new game, the intro video starts. There is a blue line visible on each side of the screen. This is not supposed to be visible. But somehow I dont think that is a bug in the core. I think this is outside of the 4:3 television Safe area. Is there a way to mask that? I guess other cores calling that "Hide Overscan"?

[blissful plaza]

Not a bug on the core.
I saw them even on some CRT TVs back then.

[weary perch]

curiously, the blue lines do not appear in the PAL version

NTSC USA only

just confirmed on hardware

perhaps they noted the oversight during localization for PAL

[solar slate]

that is very possible. That would be a good case for a rom hack to correct that. Back then I played the PAL version on CRT, that is why I do not remember those lines.

[green epoch]

That was more of a personal one. As an arcade rat, having arcade perfect versions of games hooked up to a friend’s tv was wild.

[zinc dew]

Yeah, that was pretty huge

[green epoch]

I remember dreaming about a Midway home console that would play MK and NBA Jam

reading reviews of games to see how close they were to their arcade counterpart - just a different time, man

[knotty zealot]

that's what she said

[topaz otter]

This is a cursed image

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3479536

[lament escarp]

Why, who is that guy? Seems to be under a lot of... pressure.

[weary palm]

How did you know my name's Richard? 🤭

[latent dagger]

all richards can be rickys.
but not all rickys can be richards

[bright lotus]

That's the final boss of Tomb Raider 3

Oh. My bad.

[bright lotus]

I occasionally turn on clean HDMI but it's clear you were not meant to view most games with their grainy exposed aliased details like that

[latent dagger]

look at all you heathens in here not using a CRT

[weary palm]

My 21 inch Apple Trinitron CRT is broken. 😢

[latent dagger]

oof. I would normally try to talk shit about that by saying "it's cuz it's an Apple product" but the old stuff was actually good

[bright lotus]

I can still see all the unfiltered dither on my CRT

S-Video smudges it pretty okay

[weary palm]

Well it's an Apple branded Sony Trinitron.

[latent dagger]

the company lost it's vision when their visionary died

[weary palm]

It could've been worse. The visionary could've turned into a crazy nazi.

[magic girder]

Is nobody gonna take the bait?

I’m disappointed in everyone

[topaz otter]

welcome to the mister-cores > Nintendo 64 chat

[mellow raft]

https://youtu.be/G_395DCBLF0

@magic girder does that work?

[sullen harbor]

Been playing widescreen modded zelda on turbo, imperfect (because of 2d backdrop sections) but very nice)

[lament escarp]

Zelda is always very nice!

I ordered the intec modkit to finally have a decent n64 controller (hopefully) to play it with.

[barren rain]

https://github.com/ClusterM/fdskey wouldn't a comparable device be possible for the N64 DD?

[amber fjord]

Summercart64

Top and bottom ports on n64 are literal mirrors of same port

Sc64 runs 64dd titles

But only for real n64 consoles, no compatibility to a MiSTeR

https://summercart64.dev/

[amber fjord]

Even works with the few custom n64dd Zelda mods

[worn delta]

Robert mentioned before it would be straight forward to port over the Summer Cart 64DD support to the core if there was space, but sadly there isn't, so on the next board where there is more space it should be stripped forward for 64DD support to be added. That was my understanding of the situation anyway.

Does Summer Cart have an RTC solution for Animal Forest?

[solar slate]

very cool

[spare meadow]

I was curious to know if is there something that could be cut from the core, like TLB, that would allow 64DD to fit in the DE-10 nano in a new 64 sister core

[worn delta]

I wondered that as well, if unneeded parts could be cut out to make space on a sister core, not sure if Robert has ever addressed that

[wanton sun]

you could cut out the RDP. Most games will not notice it. Of course you cannot see anything then, but maybe that even enhances the experience!

However, DD features are probably not that consuming, so it could work already. But I will not do it at this point, I'm not a big fan of japanese only games

[vapid hawk]

if someone else did it would you consider the PR?

[worn delta]

The other thing Summercart has is the CIC chip for the Aleck64 games that would allow for the native arcade ROMs to be loaded via MRA files (like S-TV was doing). Not sure if adding that would take up much space.

[wanton sun]

sure, why not?

for me the biggest advantage of using the summercart code would be to have accurate timing behavior of the cart for all special cases. Of course that currently makes no sense as mostly the cart si used with DMA to RDRAM and our RDAM(in ddr3) is not timing accurate anyway. So it mostly makes sense with a sucessor board.

[vapid hawk]

yeah its great to have that reference available with open source

[worn delta]

Would be great if someone was able to take a stab at adding support and see if it worked.

[weary beacon]

a good chunk of the 64DD's best stuff has been translated. i'd argue it's worth it for the f-zero X expansion kit alone :p

[solar slate]

I have a question regarding the VI settings I can set in the core. The VI Dedither filter is basically responsible for the fact that most games look that blurry. If you switch it off, the Dither is visible. Right now there is only on, forced or off. When on, it appears that this filter is quite strong. Would it be possible to give more control over this filter?

[worn delta]

Also of note:
Battery backed real time clock (RTC)

https://github.com/Polprzewodnikowy/SummerCart64

So looks like there may be RTC for Animal Forest that could be ported

[worn delta]

That's interesting, are there patches for the native 64DD ROMs? Do you have a list of which games have been translated?

[weary beacon]

https://64dd.org/games.html yes, you can find them all here. there are english patches for both the original disk images and the cartridge conversions

they're not all full translations, but the f-zero x expansion kit and three of the four mario artist games are complete